Bradley Steven Perry & Jake Short on Life After Disney, Dating Sabrina Carpenter & Intimate Scenes
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Sabrina was my first girlfriend. That's crazy. She's killing it. She just performed at Coachella. Did you guys go to Coachella? No, I was too heartbroken. Too heartbroken to show up. I signed an autograph recently for someone who didn't know who I was. And I was like, what's my name? And they're like, nah, just write it down. I'll figure it out. I had like an intimate scene. When we fell onto the bed, she kneed me in the genitals. Oh, God. And just went...

And everybody started cracking up. Is the goal so you do Disney and then you want to differentiate yourself? Do you think that they're really picking those projects? God, I just want to throw myself away from Disney. I don't want people to know. It's like, no, you go on the audition. If you book it, you book it. It is what it is. We almost killed the stunt guy on set. What? We didn't almost kill him.

Did he go to the hospital after that? Yeah. No, he did the stunt after that. We sat down with Disney Channel stars Bradley Stephen Perry and Jake Short, who you probably already know from the hit TV shows Good Luck Charlie and Ant Farm. After becoming best friends on the Disney show Mighty Med, they've both navigated their careers outside of Disney, but finding work as actors has proven harder than they originally thought. We talk about everything from falling in love with co-stars to filming intimate scenes on set and facing rejection in Hollywood.

What's the tea on doing, hi, I'm blank, and you're watching Disney Channel? It's a lot harder than people give credit to. Wait, really? Yeah, it's really hard. Show us the art. Well, there's a green screen Mickey Mouse cutout. Yeah, in front of you. You're on like a white screen. Okay. You have to trace it out, but you have to do it perfectly. They have a cutout for you to do it. They have a cutout that you aim a little stick at, so that little sparkly wand thing is a green screen stick.

But it's backwards, right? Because the screen's flipped, so you're not doing it the way it looks on screen. That's why it's harder. Realistically, what you would be looking at is not the same as what would be coming across on camera. That's so tricky. So it takes a lot. You do a lot of them. It takes a lot.

How many times? I don't think you guys understand how hard my childhood was. Enlighten us. Probably 15. Yeah, it was probably like 10 or 15. Is it something that everyone got to do or is it more, it's like an honor? It's an honor. I don't know if it's an honor, but like, it's not everybody. It missed like one year. I know someone who did it like three times who was barely on the channel. I know someone who did it like once who was on it forever. Kind of strange. I think I did it once. I only did it once. Yeah, you only did it once. Or maybe you're the person that I know that.

Probably. I think Austin did it twice. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I didn't get to do it twice. Is that kind of like a badge of honor? It's like, guys, I got to do the Disney Channel thing. People really love to say it at bars. It is the number one thing we get approached with. If it's 11 o'clock at night and the drinks are falling, people are like, oh, yeah, hey, look. Oh, wow.

Yeah, and then you got to try to not be such a jerk to them and not be like, oh, yeah, how about you leave? It takes a lot, but you got to be like, yeah, I did that. Good one. The one I get all the time, and I don't know if you can relate to this, but people always be like, oh, good luck, Charlie. And you're like, oh, God. That's the first time I heard that one. You hear that all the time and you're just like, yes.

Just come up with something new at least, you know? You're just saying the name of the show. The thing is, is that every time that someone says that, it's the first time they're getting to say it. It's new for them. You know what it is for me? My last name's Short, and I grew up and everyone's like, oh, Short. But I was Short. And they go, Short, huh? Really match your last name. And I'd be like, yeah, I guess so. That's a good one, man.

That's the pizza I ordered. Sorry. I don't know. We just got a package. Oh, we got a... Hey, should we go find out what it is? Let's open it up on camera. And then you're unboxing and the other player podcasts. Wait, did you guys... I'm so sorry. Now I feel bad. Did you like hate me immediately when I was like, what was it like doing the Disney channel? No, because it's very important. Matt, cut the part where we were going to ask you and then say good luck, Charlie, at the end of the video. It's better that you asked it so that everyone here that is watching knows you have to say that. So stop telling me to do it. Stop.

I had to go on this rant because people don't seem to understand my name at all. It's unbelievable how we just talked about this on our podcast. So my name is Bradley Perry, right? Okay. And when I joined SAG, Screen Actors Guild, there was already a Bradley Perry. Mm-hmm.

And so to join SAG, you have to have your own name. That's why there's like Michael B. Jordan, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Yeah, Chad Michael Murray. I don't know. That is weird, actually. Joseph Michael Levitt. But so anyway, so I had to put my middle name. But for some reason, people cannot comprehend that. So they think my name's either Bradley Stephen. They think my name's either just Stephen Perry or just Bradley and my last name is Stephen-Perry.

Nobody ever thinks, perhaps it's just his middle name, but then it's like it becomes super formal and like I do have to put it. Did you say Bradley Sperry already? So you're here. Did I say it? What? What do you mean? No, I wasn't listening. I was thinking about my Fresca. It's been a long day. Were you thinking about DMing Fresca after this to see if you get some free Frescas? Yeah, I'm going to talk. People also think my last name is Sperry because my Instagram name is Bradley S. Perry.

So people think it's Sperry. And then I got an email the other day from this company that I was working with that said Bradley Sperry. And I had to be like, no, that's not me. And so then we had to go through this chain. But what was funny was I noticed when they changed the heading, because the heading was Bradley Sperry. And then a few emails down, then it said Bradley Stephen Perry. That's funny. Also kind of embarrassing for them. Is that why people in Hollywood have some...

Like more unique names? No, I think that's in general just like differentiate themselves. You know, I'm not going to lie to you. This might sound so dumb. I recently learned that Vin Diesel's not actually named Vin Diesel. You're kidding. Well, I can't believe I'm learning that for the first time. Wait, you're just learning that too? I'm very disappointed.

I didn't know that. I just heard that from you. You didn't know? Okay, I feel so much less stupid. What's Vin Diesel's actual name? I don't know what Vin Diesel is. It's something like super dweeby. I hope Vin Diesel never hears me say that. Oh, guys, I'm sorry. It's Vin Gasoline. I hate to break the news here. I heard that, and I was like, yeah, that's so dumb that other people don't know that. But I was like...

I could have sworn his name. Mark Sinclair. Wow. That's horrible. Could you guys do the one name thing? Would you be a one name celebrity like Rihanna? Cher. Cher. That's so sick. Madonna. Yeah, that's cool. I will never ever be at that level. You gotta be so famous. That's a different level of fame. Matt. Matt.

Nobody else can take that from you. That's pretty good. Were you going to ask a question? I was going to ask a question. You forgot to ask questions in our last podcast, so I wanted to see if you had anything that you wanted to ask. Don't.

What you got? I liked it a lot. So y'all started your careers at a very young age. Yes. And I feel like people talk about child acting a lot nowadays. I probably always have, but we just watched quite on set and like, did you guys see that documentary? I still have not seen it. Have you seen it? I didn't watch it. No way. It's a lot. It's very, uh, it's so sad. It's very sad. It's very sad. It was on the Nickelodeon side of things. Y'all are the Disney side of things. I,

I guess, like, I'm curious, like, so you started at nine. I started, technically, started acting at five. At five. Yeah. Wow. What was your first job? Commercials. Commercials. I think that's kind of, like, how most, I don't know if it's the same anymore, but at the time, like, most actors usually got in by acting, doing commercials. And so I did, like, a local car commercial in Thousand Oaks, California for GMC and did that. And it was a non-union gig, and I just...

love doing it. And I kind of compare it to like, you know, playing a sport and being like, this is the thing I want to do. And,

I just kind of told my mom I wanted to keep doing it, and she was like, no. And then I had to just kind of convince her that I wanted to do commercials, so we started slowly doing commercials. Hold on. Are you the one that got into commercials, or did your mom want you to do commercials? No, my mom would only let me do commercials. Okay, so you wanted to do it, and she was like, all right, you can do commercials. Yeah, I just wanted to do it, and then it started off as commercials, and then I booked a bunch of commercials, and then she was like, all right, well, maybe you can try theatrical. So then we started slowly doing more like commercials.

guest spot stuff. I think my first like TV gig was without a trace. This episode of without a trace. But being a kid and doing this though, did you ever do community theater or unpaid gigs before? Did you kind of go right into it? Dude, I just started doing these commercials and then by the time I would have done any kind of theater work or anything like that, I was already like full time on a TV show. So I didn't really have to,

I actually was thinking about this the other day when I was in New York. I was like, I'd love to do a play, but I have no theater or any kind of live performance background like that, which is funny to say, having worked on television as much as I did, but the thought of being on a stage like that seems so different and scary to me. No, I didn't do any sort of... I think I played Charlie Brown in my fourth grade performance.

Nice. Yeah. Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I did do that. Jake, what about you? What was growing up doing acting like from your story? I'm from Indiana. So I moved out to California when I was like 10.

And the first commercial I ever did was for a roller skating dog. What? Yeah. Was the dog, like the dog had a commercial. We've done this. You know, we've done this before, right? Yes, we have. I'm actually genuinely confused. The dog is on a, it had roller skates attached to it. And it was like, it had like, you know, the battery, the belly battery, turn it on and it would go like this. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

Oh, the product was a roller skating dog. Oh, I'm so sorry. He made it seem like, oh, I totally did. I want to meet this dog that can roller skate. So sorry, no. It is a product for a roller skating dog, yes. Glad that wasn't just me. Wait, okay. I'm so confused now. So is this like a robot dog that, it's like a stuffed animal that roller skates? It's a stuffed animal dog that roller skates, yeah. That's cool. Do you believe how poorly you explained that? I did. I did a horrible job.

You just said I did a commercial for a roller skating dog. Yeah, which is actually impressive. It's a real dog, good roller skate. But then I thought, for a second, I thought you were saying it was like a device that you put on your dog to help them roller skate. I'm like, that's so cool. If I ever get a dog one day, I want to buy that. I would buy that.

would buy that uh that's the first thing i did i really did a bad job of explaining that but um no i i did like the same thing i did a bunch of commercials as a kid but at the same time i was auditioning for like theatrical and and did tvs movies everything but i don't have a extensive theater background i was recast in my third grade play

That's brutal. No way. Yeah. I didn't even know they did recasting. Yeah, and when I did like a... You lost your role? I lost my role. I went with my family when I'm like a... It's just, we're going to go in a different direction. A vacation for a weekend, a long weekend, and I missed something on like a Monday or a Friday, and they were like, oh yeah, you're out.

That's kind of gross. Yeah, I know. They gave me like two lines for a different role, but I was like a main role. And they were like, yeah, you're out of here. You're not committed to the work. They gave it to Margaret. I don't know if she took it from me, man. Did you have a moment where you decided that you wanted to do theater or acting in commercials? Was that something that you decided you wanted to do when you were a kid? I just wanted to do anything, honestly, just in front of the camera. At that age, attention was really important to me because I got it from my family and I was like, this is awesome.

Awesome. Yeah. I can get it from everyone. I'm sure you know this. You have two kids. They love your attention. So I just fed off of that. And I think you, I'm sure you did too. It's like once you get the energy of like a set and people that are praising you for doing something that you think is fun, it's like,

It's very addicting. I was saying the other day, I couldn't comprehend on the first commercial I did that I had a character name. So my character's name was Andrew. So the mom in the commercial had to come out and be like, Andrew, it's time for dinner. And I'd be like...

who's Andrew? And they were like, you're Andrew. And I'm like, no, I'm Bradley. And they were like, no, you're Andrew. To the point where they just went, okay, your name's Bradley. So they changed it. They changed the name? Cute. I just pictured myself sitting there going, no, it's not. You're like, I'm not playing these games. Pretty sure my name's Bradley. That's right, it's Bradley. They've been calling me this for five years.

Talk down to me first off. I know my name. Thank you. Yeah. So I think I started to learn what a stage like or a character name was around the age of seven. When did you guys start getting noticed when you were kids? At what age did people start stopping you and wanting a selfie or an autograph? Was it selfies, by the way? Or were autographs the thing back in the day? Like...

What would people ask you for if they saw you in public? I guess we were like in the infancy of selfies. That was like 12 years ago or something. I don't think there were selfies, but definitely photographs. Definitely autographs, but definitely photos, yeah. I couldn't tell you the last time I signed an autograph. Honestly. People don't ask for them. I signed an autograph recently for someone who didn't know who I was. They were like, what are you doing here? And I was like, I'm just with this event. And they were like, oh, you're with the event? You're like, can you sign this? And I was like, what's my name? And they're like, just write it down there. I'll figure it out. I'm like, all right.

Wait, did they know that you were on Ant Farm? Did they have any clue? No, no idea. It was like a 50-year-old dude. And he was like, what did you do? Why are you here? I was like...

Not the reason that you're here. Not the reason. You have no idea. That might be worth something someday. What was the event? Was it like an actor event? He was like, oh, you're an actor. Sign this. Is that what it was? No, it was a golf event. So it was all athletes. Oh, so he thought you were a professional athlete. Something like that. And then he saw someone talking to me and he was like, you might be important. Maybe. I don't know. People do that all the time, though. People do that all the time.

when we were here for the final four thing, like one person recognized us and then everyone recognized us. And even people who didn't recognize us, they were like, there's a crowd over there. Something's going on. I'm going to go investigate it. And then, yeah, that's always, I think, uh, we, we've talked about too, is like, there's, uh,

We have like such an anxiety when taking photos in public because I think that when I was like 10 or 11, one photo usually meant like somebody would go, who's take, why are they taking a photo? And then they'd be like, Oh, that's who that is. So then it would be like a sea of people taking it. It was like that one thing. Yeah. I always got into arguments like with my ex girlfriends over this. Cause I was like, I don't want to take a photo. And they're like, come on, we're out like doing this. Let's take a photo. And I'm like, I really don't want to. Cause it like, that always like to me started something bigger.

Oh, so you would tell people no. They'd be like, I want a picture. You'd say sorry. Oh, I've never said no to a photo like that. Only to my girlfriends. Yeah. No, like I've actually literally never said no. You're in Niagara Falls and she's like, can we just take one photo? And you're like, no, I'm not going to do it. Well, I can imagine though if you have someone who's like, if you're people coming up to you every day saying, hey, can you do the you're watching Disney channel thing? Like every day I'd be like, shut up. No, I mean like I'll never say no to a photo though because like, you know, if I...

saw somebody that I was like super excited see I would be so bummed out if they were like no

As a kid, was that like, because you said you loved the attention. You guys both seemed to want to pursue this. It wasn't something that was led by your parents or anything. But then how was that as a kid when it started to get bigger and bigger? How did you shape your ego? How you interacted in public? I don't think I processed it at all for years. And I think I was so confused on what...

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H-I-Y-A-H-E-A-L-T-H dot com slash unplanned and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. Back to the episode. I know that like I started to get really nervous in public. Like especially for the first show that I did on Good Luck Charlie, that show did very well and for the four year span that we were on, any time we'd leave the house like was a

a thing, you know? And I don't think I understood that I was like, now I look back and go, man, I wish I would be like, oh, that was so cool. You know, that was really like such an amazing experience. But at the time I was like, ah, what's happening? Cause you're developing and you're so awkward. And yeah, my most awkward years were on television, you know, on television and photographed by every single person. I look at the photos and I'm like, God,

Like, you know, like people will look back at their photos, like when they're in eighth grade and they're like, oh, I was so awkward in my yearbook photo. I'm like, well, everybody has a photo of me being awkward, you know? And so it's like, I think that that was jarring and it's something that you're like excited about and then it happens and you're like, I don't really know how to handle this. But at the end of the day though, it's like what we were just saying is like, people are excited to see you. That's pretty cool. You know, like that's an amazing feeling to know that like you did something that

Did that change the experience at all because you were going through puberty and going through these awkward phases? Do you look back and think, oh, I wish I had done things differently because of it being such a transformative time in your life?

I really don't know. It's like the thing, like we didn't go to high school, like traditional high school. So it's hard to say like, oh man, I would give up this experience just to have a normalized experience, whatever that means. But we, I mean, I think we have a lot of different lessons we learned from a traditional upbringing, but I don't know. It's hard to say that I would exchange it because it's very valuable, the lessons that we've learned. It's very weird to have a completely different life experience than a lot of our peers, but it

it definitely changed who we are as people because like grow up faster makes you grow up fast but then at the same time like we're now like 25 when we look back on that we're like oh those are you know going out in public as a as a 15 year old 12 year old whatever and like being worried about being worried about like the public's perception of you

is a very weird thought to have as a 12 year old. Yeah. Did you ever have to have security or anything at the height of the attention? No, never like personal security. I mean, certainly when you go to events or something like that, you'd have to have security. Most of that was just provided with the event. I mean, my grandma was always with me, so. Yeah. So she was fending people off left and right. Oh really? She was like a linebacker, you know? So your grandma was the person that was like always with you? Yeah. She was like my caretaker. So she like took me around the set and, um,

was with me basically every day until I was like 16 or 17. Did your whole family move out to California so that you could do, you know, just your grandma. So your whole family stayed back in Deanna. Yep. So how did that affect, how did that affect relationships with your, your family back home? I have two siblings or two sisters and a brother. So they finished their,

They graduated college and everything while I was doing that. It definitely is. I didn't really get to grow up with him. So I definitely missed some of those years. But I still kept in contact with him a lot. Like I still see my mom as much as I can. And I would go back there over the summer like when we weren't filming or like before we were doing the shows. We'd have a lot of time off. So I still got to see them a lot. But it definitely puts a strain on it, especially when we're filming for like

We filmed six or six to eight months out of the year. You filmed like for a year straight, but your family was here. Yeah. I want to ask about that. Like what are the, I know there's like laws, like how long you can work and stuff. What is like a day when you're filming these, like you're like regulars on a show, what would your schedule be like?

So four-camera sitcoms, it's the best gig you can get in television for sure. It's a very niche job. Very structured. Yeah, and a lot of people don't like the kind of work that it is, but as far as structure goes, it's the closest thing to a nine-to-five that you can have. I mean, our schedule personally on Good Luck Charlie was Monday through Friday. On Monday, we would go in and we would do the table read where you just read through the script, maybe rehearse a little bit, but they would change the script up a lot after the table read.

you come in on Tuesday, you're there from like nine 30 to three rehearsing. And then you run through the whole script for all the writers from start to finish. Um,

And then they do more notes, change it up. Wednesday you come in, do the same exact thing, same exact time, but the network comes in. So it's writers and networks. And now it's a bigger run through at the end of the day. And then they do final notes and then Thursday and Friday you're filming. And for us, we've shot a live audience Friday night. So from like four o'clock to eight o'clock, we did like live scenes.

Then Monday was a new episode. So you just five days in that span. I know you guys said you haven't seen quite on set, but something that some past child actors said on the show is they wouldn't let their kids child act because of whatever, you know, situation they had been in. I'm curious, what's your take on that? If I were to have a kid, I would feel fine putting the kid into the industry if that's something they wanted to.

I certainly wouldn't encourage it. Yeah. I think you got to want to do it. I think as a kid, like unless you're a little baby for like, you know, those cute commercials that you see with little babies or like, you know, print jobs or something like that. Yeah. I think the, the reason I wouldn't encourage it wouldn't necessarily be because of any, like, I don't think that working as a kid, uh,

caused any problems in my life. It would be more of like, I think as a whole, acting as a career is just a brutal job. And I think we've both seen very great highs and very awful lows of working in the industry of like,

okay, maybe I'm just terrible at this. You know, you get to that point where you're like, and maybe you're just not right for roles at the time. Yeah. There's so many specific timeframes of your life where you're like, you're not in that high school range. You're not in the college range. You're not a parent yet. So then you're like in this weird area and then you're not old enough to be like the adult figure. So it's like, it's all dependent on just scripts and it's not about you, but it feels like it's about you and you don't get to control any of it. And like,

I feel like for my kids, you said it really well the other day too. You said like, you know, in the grand scheme of a 70 year career, if you don't work for five years, 10 years, it's not that big a deal. We worked as a kid. We might work in five years for the next 10 years, you know? Yeah. And it's like, but in that timeframe where you're not working, you just feel worthless, you know? Cause you're like, I don't, I can't do anything. I can't, you know, I can't, uh,

Like, I can't be the hardest working person because I'm just... I'm not getting the work, you know? What's that like being told no time and time again? I'm so numb to it at this point. Genuinely so numb to it that, like, I feel like for both of us, too, you know, you've been in the... Laugh it off, I think. Yeah, dude. Like, but it also kind of makes you, in an unfortunate way, you know, when you get...

penned for something and it's between you and another person and it's a big project and you don't get it that happens enough times where like if you're just runner up again you're like I literally don't care you know like people are like that's so exciting you're penned for this and you're like

No, it's not. It's not exciting until like there's no second place. You know, you can't – you don't get paid for being penned for something. Like you didn't win. So there's nothing you can do. If you go to the, you know, Super Bowl 10 years in a row and you didn't win one of them, you still probably had an amazing career. But if you're second fiddle on something every single time you audition for it, it really doesn't matter. It's tough to keep hope. And I think that's where the like –

if I'm going to have a kid get in the industry, that's where I would say, if you have hope always, and it's, it's something that you want to do, do it. Yeah. You got to be okay with the idea that it's,

It has to be your dream. It has to be your life. You have to commit to it because you can't half-ass it. Did you guys get more yeses as kids than you do now as adults? Yeah, for sure. And I think when you're working too, people kind of blow smoke a little bit because they're just schmoozing. It's always like, oh my God, this is the best show we've done. You guys are going to work for forever. And you're just kind of on set. You're like, yeah.

I'm never not going to work, dude. And then you come out of it and you're like, okay, where's that work? Everybody's talking about all this work I'm going to do. Everyone's going to be here on Monday, right? And you're like, no, we're done, man. Dude, you suck. What are you talking about? Get off our set. And it's like, you go like, oh, okay, everybody was lying to me at a certain point. And then they weren't lying to you. No, they're just doing their job. They're just doing their job, yeah. So it's a bizarre business. That's why I wouldn't want my kid to do it.

But again, like he said, if the kid was like, it's the only thing I want to do, I'd be like, that's great. Do whatever you want, but it's going to suck. So is that hard then coming from this high of like, you're a kid, you're famous, you're making all this money. Everybody wants to be you. And then time goes on and maybe you're not booking as many roles as you were. Yeah.

the career isn't going as well as it, as it once was. What does that do to your mental health? No, we worked for like six straight years. I felt like we were just going to keep working and that momentum is going to keep going. And so it was, it was a little, it started to get a little bit more stagnant for me, but I did like a few movies and shows here and there. Um, but yeah, like since, since COVID it's been a much more isolated industry. Everything's a little bit more remote or entirely more remote. Uh, now it's starting to go back in person a little bit, but it's definitely humbling. Um,

You have to. Genuinely, I felt like once I got my first job, my second job, third job, and then we're on Disney, it started to feel like things were getting handed to you because of the position you were in and that people trusted you. But once you remove yourself a little bit from that environment and...

once a year has gone by and then two years from like leading your own show or just doing small things, people need to rebuild that trust. A company, a casting director, a producer, a production company, they want to see what you've been doing and how you've been leading. And sometimes it's not just a tape or a performance. They want to see a bigger background. So it's definitely...

a lot harder work now. - I think for me, so I started working on Good Luck Charlie when I was nine. That show went until I was like 13, 14 years old. Then we started working together right away. And then we worked until I was 18. I didn't go to high school in person, you know? So I just started dating a girl who was going into her freshman year of college and she was going away to school. And I was like, wow, that sounds really cool. You know, like that seems like something I wanna do. So I kind of made the choice to start doing,

you know, regular college. And I started a community college. I was on a TV show on ABC called schooled. And then I had just done a film with, for Adam Sandler. And so before COVID you were working. Oh yeah. I was working a good amount. And then, um, you know, I, I kind of like went full time at USC, uh, and was living down there and, and just kind of like really committed to being a frat bro.

bro. And just like, that's what I want it to be, you know? And like, that was my new thing, you know? And, um, so I was auditioning less. I was honestly like turning down auditions. And I think my agents just kind of knew like, man, don't even, he's not even going to want to do it. Cause I just,

I just wanted to go. What was that like working with Adam Sandler? Oh, he's the best, dude. That was my favorite thing I've ever worked with. He seems like such a nice guy, and I love how he does not care what he's wearing. He's the best. All the photos of him just looking like a hobo, I love it. It's like, he's just him. Dude, I was there. Fashion king, man. I was there for a week. I was in maybe three scenes, fully because Adam liked, he and his kids liked our show.

Really? Yeah. It was like he had all of his kids' favorite shows in the movie and some of the people from it. And so I went to Boston and filmed basically a cameo. I maybe filmed for three or four days.

And... You were there for three weeks too? No, I was there for... We were like a week and a half, two weeks. That's great. Which was the best, dude, because we were just in Boston and I was with some of my friends that I had grown up working with. So we just were going around Boston. You're just a sucker for Boston. Yeah, I'm like, I'm a big Red Sox fan. So I was just going to games by myself. I was so...

Best time of my life. Like, seriously. But, like, the fact that I was there, I was number 1,000 on the call sheet and barely spoke in the movie, but it genuinely was my favorite project. It's all to the credit of Adam and how he runs his sets and how excited people are to just work for him and be a part of it because it's so fun. And, like, there were long days, but you didn't care because you were like, I'm just so happy to be here.

here. That's awesome. It was the coolest experience. But I went right into like the week after that, I went and started at USC and just kind of like, it was like, all right, I can take these two years that I'm here to like really just be in college and I'll be fine. And then I came out of it and I was like, all right, I'm ready to work again. And thought the entertainment industry was waiting for me. But then it was like, okay, well now what?

I think just like the idea in my head of like having gone from nine years old to 20 years old of really never not working. Like I literally, I think I did at least an episode of television from nine years old to 22 years old.

in a year, right? And so I didn't know what it was like to not work and I kind of just expect it work. And I think for me personally, I enjoyed the time of not working because I know the next time that you do work, it's like the best thing in the world, you know? Because I think I expected it too much as a kid and I didn't know that, you know. We're definitely spoiled. Like we got, it's a great job. So like being on set was...

such an absolute pleasure and luxury. Well, was that like making money as a kid? Cause for me, when, when I, the first time I got paid as a like child actor in theater, I've, this is so stupid. I made 300 bucks. I made $300 to do, I think it was 38 shows of the music man. And I was just 38.

38 shows. They just work for $300 a show? 300 bucks total. It was just, it was basically gas money. It was basically like, hey, because my mom was driving me to all these, you know, shows and rehearsals and I loved it. I loved performing. But I thought I was rich. Every show they're like, here's 10 bucks. I thought I was loaded. I was like, mom, I made,

And she's like, I spent $3,000 on gas. But like, she didn't tell me that. But I'm so curious what that was like. Cause you guys, I'm guessing made more than $300 doing what you did. I made like 200, 300. You were making 200? Okay. We were actually just talking about this. We were talking about this the other day on our, on our show was, uh,

Both my mom and his grandma were very similar in the sense of like, I literally, I could not have told you how much money I had until I was 19 years old, 20 years old. I knew how much I was making, but then I knew like what number a week, the access that I had was like, probably, I think I had access to like a hundred dollars a month. Yeah. My, my mom, dude, my mom allowed me to buy myself a gift every year for $200.

$200, dude. I was working. I remember it was one year we did Good Luck Charlie. We did season two. I worked 15 episodes, went and shot a movie, did 15 episodes, and had done a movie before that season. Worked for like a year and a half straight, and I got to buy myself a $200 gift. What did you buy yourself? It was something stupid. I bought a bike one year because I thought that that would be fun. And then I remember when I was 16 and I bought a car. For $200?

$200? $200. My dad wanted to just give me his car that he had used for a few years because he had done that with all my sisters. Has used, had farted in. But my mom was like, he can buy his own car. And I remember car shopping and I'm looking at these cars and I'm like, I can't afford this. There's no way. My mom's like,

This car is $18. My mom was like, you can get it. And I'm like, are you sure? And she was like, yeah, I think you're good. And I was like, all right, well, I don't need to get that package. I think we can be conservative on this one. And then when I got access to my bank accounts, because I didn't even really start spending my own money until my junior year of college. Because my parents paid for college and they were paying for me to be down there like they did with my sisters. They didn't want to be like, oh, well, you have money. You go do it.

pay for your own college. They were like, we paid for your sisters to go to school. Oh, I bet you bought everyone drinks for... Oh, dude. I didn't... Seriously, everybody would be like, no, I can't afford that. I'm like, we're good. We got alcohol. Bro. I got alcohol. No, but I just didn't know. I really didn't... I didn't know that I had any kind of money and I'm so happy and appreciative of that now. I tell my mom that all the time. However, I do hope every once in a while she's going to be like, surprise, there's another bank account. Yeah.

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off your chest with BetterHelp, visit betterhelp.com slash unplanned podcast today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash unplanned podcast. Back to the episode. Being in a fraternity, do you have a fake ID? Like, were you the... Are you just putting me on blast? Yeah, of course. I did. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I did. We were talking about this the other day, too. I got my fake ID sent in a...

a toy airplane. Okay. I had bought it with Bitcoin. Okay. And then I got a fake ID. The problem that I came across was I literally handed it to a waiter and he goes, you know what the problem is? And I go, what? He goes...

I know who you are and I know how old you are. And I go, all right, well, let's pretend this didn't happen. And he was like, that's fine by me. And I was like, okay. And so we moved on from it. But then after that, I was always worried. So I would only be, I was very like particular with my fake IDs. It'd be like getting their bars. I don't think I heard that one. That a waiter recognized you. That's pretty funny. They Googled me.

They literally went back and Googled me and was like, yeah, it says your age right here. I don't understand. Yeah, you can come in. That was Googled. That was Googled. I don't know if you guys could hear that. Jake, what about you? Did you have any run-ins with the law? I had someone else's fake ID. I never had one. Should we tell them the fake ID story? I want to hear it now. My 21st birthday party? I don't remember, but go ahead. Okay. Wait, the bus? No, no, no, no.

So Jake went to a party down at USC one time and he met this guy and the guy was like, I just turned 21. Do you want this fake ID? And he was like, yeah, I'll take the fake ID. You were what? 20 at the time maybe? So you used it for a couple years. I turned 21.

And he comes to my birthday party and he meets my best friend's parents. When you, with Jen and Jeff. Yeah. Oh yeah. I didn't know. But so he goes up to them and he was talking about how, when he was under 21, he had a fake ID and he goes, this was my fake ID. And he goes, he like made a joke. He was like, Oh, I'm so-and-so. And they were like, Oh, that's our son.

And I was like, okay. And then I was like, what's your home address? And they were like, and I was like, oh my God, that's your son. And so my best friend who he knew, like my best friend, Bryce, it was his brother who went to USC. They randomly met at a party and, and he gave him his fake ID. He goes to my 21st and was like, here's a fake ID. They're like, that's our son. Did people, did people tease you? You were trying to use it? No,

No, no, no. I was just showing it off. You were just showing it off. It's my old one. I still have it. I don't know why I have it. Wait, how does a fake idea work? Like, it's not your face on it? We're so sheltered. I mean, you showed a bar and they were like, look at it. That makes sense. My mom used my Costco card the other day and she got away with it. It was crazy. Same thing. I'm curious, though. Did you get teased in your fraternity for being like, oh, it's the Disney guy? Or was it like, dude, he can hook us up with alcohol because he's rich. No, it was brutal.

I'm sorry, dude. My composite photo was me holding a sign that said, and you're watching Disney Channel. So that's what was... That's in my fraternity. And you just had to go along with it, I'm sure, or you would have gotten made fun of. Dude, you know, to me, it was kind of like, if I'm not in on the joke, these people aren't going to like me. So I was like, you know what? Just make fun of me. I don't care. I can take it. And I'd rather...

all of us be friends. Cause eventually once they get the joke out, they're like, Oh, all right, whatever. And then everybody gets over it. Right. So eventually I just wanted to be the normal person there that everybody wanted to hang out with. So I was like, if I come into this as like a, can we not talk about that thing? Like, I don't want to bring it up. People are gonna be like, Oh, he sucks. You know? So I was like, Oh, we like to bring him around. We like to make fun of him. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. People would make fun of me. It was fine. I don't care. Like,

I will joke about anything, and I always do. I'll joke about anybody, and if they joke about me, I really don't care because it's like you can't handle the heat. I'm sensitive, so I throw it back at him a little too harsh sometimes. I'm like fairly, but not that sensitive. We got into a brief argument on the golf course today.

Really? On the first hole. Do you know how miserable that is to set up your round with an argument on the first hole? He literally said the words to me, I will not be supportive to you for the rest of the day. I did say that. That's how mad he was. I was like, please don't say that to me. I will not be supportive. I will not be supporting you for the rest of the day. Anyway, yes, it was very brutal in a fraternity. That was awesome.

If Disney asked you guys to work again with them, would you do it? Probably not for the channel. I would do something for Disney Plus because it's a massive company. If it was the right idea, but I would not want to work on the channel again. Just as an adult. I mean, I don't know. Why is that? It has nothing to do with Disney, really. It's more of like... Optics, really? Yeah, and also you do it when...

kid you know and it's kind of like that's unless you come back and play a parent in 20 years or something like that if I did the girl meets world thing where the dad came back in to do the boy meets world he's the dad and girl meets world that's a different situation but if I were to go back and like play a kid I don't know but I'm also 26 I don't think that's gonna happen yeah so then are you basically is the goal so you do Disney and then you want to differentiate yourself to then try to I

I guess like leave that space in a way. Yeah. I kind of, I do find it funny. I don't even know if we've ever really talked about this. I do find it funny that people think that like,

all that person is just like going so hard to like get out of that Disney image. Do people say that about you guys? Yeah, just like anytime you try to do something like or like somebody's typecast. Yeah, something like that. It's like, dude, I think people are just getting the work that they get, you know? Like, do you think that they're really picking those projects going, God, I just want to throw myself away from Disney. I don't want people to know. It's like, no, you like you go on the audition. If you book it, you book it. And you're like, it is what it is. And we talked about this recently. I don't know who it was, but I remember it being like, I think they just took a job that they.

You got to offer it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like I don't think you're – like you're thinking way too far into it. Like they're not making a statement or anything. No, it's just like if we got something that's a little risque or raunchy right now, we would do it because we like the material or like we were offered a job and something we're interested in. And if it's something that's very separated from Disney, people would be like, oh, man.

they were doing this and now they're doing this. Like, obviously there's some connection here. It's like, no, we took a job here and we took a job here. Sometimes though, on our podcast, people will be like, oh, they just, they want to swear just to not be like on Disney. And we're like,

No, dude, we're just having a conversation. I don't know. I'm not thinking that far into it. I'm not trying to do anything. I'm just talking to my friend. We're being diligent right now, though. We're not. I appreciate that. We're on Disney Channel. You guys are doing great. This is Disney Channel. We're trained. Thank you so much. It's been a lot of years doing it. I can feel your radiating support. Well, you did take a more adult film

Last year. Oh, you did porn? I did do. Yeah, that. Yes, I did porn. You did what? Sex appeal? Okay, I saw that. Sex appeal. That's how I met my girlfriend. Wait, no way. Was she your co-star? She was my co-star. She was the lead of the film. So, yeah. I was her love interest. So, like, was the chemistry just there on set? Chemistry was there, yeah. So, you're making out on set and you're like, this is the one. Actually, we were making out before we had to make out on set. Oh, wow.

Rehearsal. Rehearsal, yeah. That's actually, I was like, oh, we should go over our scenes and stuff and hang out and get to know each other. So that stuff actually happens. See, I didn't... That stuff happens. I thought that was just a rumor. Like, oh, people, yeah. So you legit fell in love while filming the movie? While filming the movie, yeah. No way. I've dated a girl who wasn't working in the film industry.

And it's a hard thing to explain to somebody that like, oh, you got to go, you know, make out with your co-star or whatever for the project. It's another day at work. Yeah, it's like it is your job. And at the time, you can attest to this too. It's like when you're actually doing the scene, you're not even thinking about like kissing a person. Like you're not thinking, it's blocking. You're just going through the scene. Oh, when I've had to do it in other projects, it's like. Yeah. But so I would always say that and be like, yeah, you got to understand like it's not even, it's not real. It doesn't feel anything real about it. It's really hard to have my best friend and his girlfriend have,

worked on a movie together, had to make out on screen and then started dating. It really invalidates your point when you're like, no, no, no, it's not real. And then they're like, how'd you meet? Oh, on our movie. Has that been an issue before with girlfriends? It's kind of hard when you're like going to film a movie, right? Like in the Sandler movie, I, I had to make out with a girl at a party or whatever. It's kind of hard to be like, Ooh, I don't, I don't know. Cause you're like, if Adam Sandler's asking me to do it and I, it's

I'm going to go do that. You know, like it's not really up to me, dude. And like, if we said it the other day, it's like, I don't really want to have to do that. It's not like the best blocking in the world. Cause it's kind of awkward. And you're like, I like the thing was to make out in front of Adam and he had to like separate us. And I'm like, so nervous that that's happening in the first place. That was in the movie. Yeah. Like I'm like, they're breaking up. You guys. So I'm like scared as it is. And it's like, then you got to add that into there. And I'm like, I'm like, my girlfriend's like, Oh, you got to make out with somebody. I'm like, I don't even know what's happening.

Can we just drop it, please? Wait, so do you... Just logistically on set when you're making out with someone, is there someone just like back there just like, okay, cut. Like, that's enough. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're usually never going to take it too far if it's like...

Like, yeah, really, my girlfriend and I are an anomaly. There's people that it happened to. It doesn't happen to most people. Most of the time you have to make it on camera. It's just awkward. It's like conversation before, like, hey, here's what we're going to do. Here's what I don't want from you and you probably don't want from me. Here are our boundaries. Generally, you don't even rehearse it.

either. You know, you don't rehearse to kiss. Usually you're just like, it's like, okay, so that's where we do that and then you go back to the lines. And you just know that on the day you're gonna do it. It's like, it's choreography basically. You just plan everything out. I did, however, one time have to I had like a intimate-ish scene where we had to like fall onto a bed kissing.

And when we fell onto the bed, she accidentally kneed me in the genitals. Oh, God. That's the situation. Hardcore. And so I couldn't stay in the scene and just went...

on set and everybody started cracking up because I got kneed so hard and so then I was like terrified the next take of like no no did that make it in the movie no dude because it wasn't a funny scene it was not supposed to be a comedy I love that when those unplanned moments end up in movies has that happened to you guys before oh yeah I've broken on camera so many times oh really yeah

And they just keep it in because they're like, that was amazing. And they just keep it in the movie. It's like the SNL thing, right? Where they're breaking on camera and it's funny. They don't do it a lot, but if there's a really good shot or something that's really funny and one person kind of breaks, they'll leave it in there. I love on SNL when they start laughing. I do too. That's the best when they get somebody else to laugh like that.

Their co-star, like, after three days of rehearsing, they just change one thing and it makes the other person lose it. What's that scene for you? Was it on a TV show, a movie? Yeah, I think it was on Ant Farm, the one that I specifically remember. It was when I was, like, 13. It was one of the first episodes. And I thought what I was doing was so funny. And I kept laughing as I was, like, I had to, like, fall forward. And I kept laughing as I fell forward. Yeah, the problem is eventually the crew...

Does not find it funny. Can we please? And you're like, I'm trying to, it's just so funny. You know, I, we had to do a scene on good luck, Charlie, where me, Jason and Eric walk out wearing diapers. Cause there's something in the episode and I'm like 11 and I, I,

They eventually were like, fine, just laugh in the scene because it's just not working. Because every time we would walk out, I'd have to turn around and see the two of them in diapers. These grown men walking out in diapers and just making them laugh every time. So they were just like, yeah, it's fine. Whatever. Like, just leave it in there. Just me cracking up in the scene. Eric in a diaper. That's awesome. But we were talking about this the other day, too. Sometimes with improv or anytime somebody wants to change up, like,

it always gets scary because you're like, this is either going to be really funny or people are going to be like, can you just stick to the words, please? You know, and you're like, I'm like, I'm taking a shot here. Is this funny? And then I've done it a couple of times on sitcoms where I'm like, that wasn't, they didn't find that funny at all.

They didn't like that. Yeah. Cause you've been getting into standup, right? Isn't that something that you're starting to do? I did do standup. I did stand up, uh, like a month ago is my first time trying that. Is it terrifying? Standup is, uh, it's the most vulnerable thing I think I've ever had to do in my life. You just,

hoping that the joke works. That's all it is. And when it doesn't work, you're like, okay, how do I, what do I do now? How do I recover? Yeah. Cause you like, you rehearse it to where it's like, I, that's the punchline for me. And then I said it and it was like, oh, that wasn't the punchline for them, I guess. Cause they didn't laugh at that. So I'm like, all right, let's roll into the next thing, I guess, and see if this one works. There's no one to save you. There's no, no one on stage except for yourself. The audience is your friend. Only if you make them your friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's terrifying. And,

But we had a comedian on our show the other day, Michael Blast, and he does the Stiff Socks podcast with Trevor. He was just talking about it. He's been doing stand-up for like 14 years or something like that. He's a great comedian. And we were just kind of talking about the process of it and the commitment to just failing over and over again. And I was like, man, I don't want to do this.

want to do that. The idea of that, like I love standup so much and I love the idea of doing standup, but I'm like, I just not, it's not like my kind of career. I've just, I've committed to like failing in acting and I've done that plenty of times, you know, but like the idea of going up on stage like that and doing that, I'm like, that's, I don't, I don't love it enough to want to commit to that. Like acting, you love it enough to take the downside. Yeah. Cause I've failed it plenty of times, like walking into auditions and feeling like that was bad. Like,

Like that was a bad performance. I wish I could do that again. But like with stand-up. Something about people not liking you and like the possibility of getting booed feels like people really don't like you. If you mess up in front of a casting director, it's like, okay, you had a bad day or like that's not the right role for you. Yeah, it's other people's words. That just wasn't right. If you walk off a stage and you're getting booed or it was a bad performance and it went on for too long, you bomb. It feels really personal.

Yeah, because it's your joke. Didn't like you. Yeah, for sure. And so that's why it's like, that's way more terrifying. I'd rather crawl behind somebody's words and be like, oh, these words weren't funny. Or receive an email and not like any person directly. Or you just never hear from them again. And you're like, okay, I didn't get it. That's a lot easier than like being booed off a stage. Back to meeting your girlfriend, then you're making out, you're probably having to film intimate scenes on set. Like, how does that even work?

Like, is there someone who's like, okay, this is the makeout director and this is like the sex scene director, like intimate scenes coordinator. That's what it's called. Intimacy coordinator. Yeah. That is new. I don't know how long. Five or six years. Really? Yeah. I think that's like really new. I didn't even have that on Hubie. Well, I think it's.

I didn't have it on shows where I had to make out with people, but it's more for if you're doing something that's nearly simulated sex. I still think it's new. I don't think it's that old. I've had directors say, oh, you guys talk it over and do whatever is comfortable for less...

intense stuff. Our stuff wasn't really that intense and we obviously had worked out a connection before then to make sure that we both felt comfortable. You guys really made out. We've rehearsed this plenty of times. They were like, can you guys try this? And we're like, yeah, fine, great, let's do it. Whatever you guys need, really. Thank you to Rocket Money for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. I have a confession to make. What is it? There have been some

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Back to the episode. And undressing, like, did they... Do you see it in the script? It's like, okay, we need you to show your butt cheeks here. Like, how does that work? Have you ever had to do that? Do you guys... I have had to do that. Do you have to fill out a form? Like, what are you willing to show? Are you willing to be shirtless on set? Depends on the project. Was your butt in Sex Appeal? No, my butt was in...

um the first team oh i didn't watch that you can't it's hard to get access has your butt gotten into any movies has your butt got so i don't think so um you know not my butt certainly not my butt your face has made it into a couple things i'm way more interested in your butt making yeah dude

I've been shirtless? Question mark? I've never been butt-less. I've never cut off my butt. I'm not the biggest fan of sex scenes in movies. Just as a fan, I'm like, I'm not... You're just a fan of sex scenes in movies? I'm not a fan of sex scenes. There's a lot of people who are big fans of it. No, I'm just like, when I watch a movie, oftentimes I'm like, why did we need to show this? And I'm not even like a...

I'm not the cleanest human in the world when it comes to stuff like that. I usually don't care, but I'm like... Can you help me explain what I meant there? That sounded weird. I know, like...

Our podcast is raunchy. You guys cuss on your podcast? We're disgusting. That's crazy. We don't really pull punches. I think like, yeah, what you're just saying is that sex scenes are kind of unnecessary in movies sometimes. It's not like it offends me. I'm just usually like, this feels lazy to me. It's like, dude, just show like, I watched, when I watched Maestro, you know, the movie Bradley Cooper just did. I haven't seen it. Do you even know who Bradley Cooper is? I do know who Bradley Cooper is. I can't even have a conversation with you. We live under the same roof.

I'm sorry. We have two kids. We've got a lot of stuff going on. Is the Russian Griffin? Yeah. Okay. So he just, he just wrote, directed and starred in a movie called Maestro. Okay. Okay. They had the scene where he and the girl fall into the bed and they're kissing and whatever. And then it cuts to the morning after they're laying under the sheets and they have a conversation. And it's like rated R, isn't it? Yeah, dude. So they, I mean, they're not like holding back. They could have done whatever they want, but it was like,

Yeah, I get what happened. I know that these two people had sex.

I don't need to see it. I get it. So sometimes in movies, it's like, why can't we just cut to the next thing? I think it does depend on the movie and the material. Sure, sometimes it matters to whatever it is. Game of Thrones, I get that, right? It's like a power thing or whatever. It's super bad. It's supposed to be something like that. It's awkward. It's funny. Or if there's some sort of element that it adds to the story. If it's just a sex scene because that's what the movie needs to be to sell, then it's like, all right, well. It's like, this is lazy. Jennifer Lawrence was...

fully naked in her last movie. She did the comedy... That Awkward Moment? This Awkward? No. Star... That Awkward Moment was a Zac Efron movie from 2015. That, someone awkward. That's three words. I know. Whatever it is, doesn't matter. This is awkward. This is all awkward. So she had to be fully naked and it was ridiculous.

hilarious. Like what the bit was, was hilarious. So that moment I'm like, yeah, that, that works. Like what happened was really funny. But like he's saying, it's just, sometimes you're like, do we, do we need to do, or do you just want to watch? Like, Oh, I was trying to watch a movie with my family. Why is everyone naked now? That's the worst dude. When you're sitting there watching, I'm like watching a movie with my mom and I'm just like, Oh my,

Did you watch Sex Appeal with your mom? I did not watch it with... I think I did watch it with some member of my family. I don't remember. But yeah, I did try my best to avoid it. I didn't want to see. It's weird also dating the person that you made out with on camera because it feels very intimate to us. Oh, yeah. I've never even thought about it this way. It's probably like if you and Mika watched it with your family.

It's probably like you're showing them your sex tape. Yeah, it's like, hey guys, check this out. We can do that right here. I remember her dad watched it and he was like...

Well, one, he's foreign. He's really funny. He's like, I thought you guys did a great job. Where is he from? I don't know. Gentle land. He's a very gentle giant. He goes, here's some things. He's from the Pooh Bear universe. Yeah, it is Pooh Bear. Pooh Bear, literally.

And there's some things in there that I didn't need to see, but you guys did a good job. Yeah, I'm curious because you guys started your careers as children. Your parents were very involved, your family, your grandma, like very involved. And then is there like a point where they're like, okay, well, it was like, I loved having you on Disney Channel, like, but now, like...

Like, do they call you up and like, please don't take that job or... I definitely... My grandma has read some of the scripts and she's like... She's from the South. I guess I'm going to do accents right now. She goes, I just... I would prefer if you did not do that. I'm like, all right. Well, I'm going to still go out for it. But...

Yeah, it's definitely easier to watch the stuff we did back in the day than it is to watch some of the stuff that... I mean, we'll pretty much take anything that comes across our plate. What was your grandma's take on your butt cheeks in that one video? Did she see it? I think she did see it. I mean, that woman has seen your butt cheeks. It's nothing new. Yeah, nothing new. Because you guys, you started living with her at what, like 18? So she's probably seen your butt cheeks all day. Do you know what's so weird for me? She used to draw me baths, you know. Draw me baths.

I'm working on my tights. She was a great artist. She was driving those baths. Anyway, so my mom, let's go back to my butt cheeks. She listens to our podcast. My grandma's been trying to listen to our podcast. I don't let her do it.

My mom actually, when she listens to our podcast, she says we cuss too much. She'll love this one. Yeah. Send her the link. You guys haven't cussed once in this whole episode. Trust me. I know. Hey, if you're watching this right now, tell your mom to watch along with Bradley and Jake's mom. Tell your mom to watch this podcast. No, someone at the splash pad said, my mom sent me your podcast this morning. Wait, really? Yeah. Oh. Our podcast or your podcast? It was actually ours. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sorry, what were you saying about your mom and your butt?

My mom in my butt is my new podcast that's coming out. So my mom and I always read lines growing up together. Like I just always liked reading my lines with her. She was the one who really helped me all the way through acting and everything just on any Disney show. And I think that I feel most comfortable reading my lines with her. And so sometimes when I have like a big audition, oftentimes it's like,

If it's a comedy and I feel super comfortable with it and I know how to make it funny, I'm good to just kind of do it on my own. But sometimes I just really like to read it out loud before I put it on tape or if I go in for the audition. So I'll call my mom or like I'll go meet her and do it. You'll go meet her? Yeah. Well, she's a sweet lady. That's nice. I live 25 minutes from my parents, so it's not like I'm flying to Indiana. If I had to fly to Indiana, I wouldn't fly to Indiana ever, actually.

He just doesn't like Indiana. I get it. But I, as the materials gotten a little more uncomfortable, like it's, it's so much weirder for my mom and I, where they're like, if there's a, I want you like that. Like,

I, if it says that I'm like, I'm not reading this with you. Like I can't, I can't, I, I'd rather lose out on this role than read these lines with you. Cause it'll be things like that. You could, you could call me, I'm an actor, you know, I could probably help you out with that, but no, it's all right. I want you. I read for something the other day. It was like, um, it said something about like her line had to be about like how hot I looked and something like that. And she just said it. And I was like, Oh God,

Listen, we're good. I'm good on this scene. I don't want to do this one again. Dude, I've seen you making your cooking videos on YouTube. Yeah. If you filmed you and your mom doing your scenes together, that would be the funniest freaking YouTube content ever. You would have to record her secretly. She's never been on camera. She refuses to go on camera. Really? So funny. Except for an episode of Good Luck Charlie. Now she's going to be pissed at me for saying this. She hates that I remind people of it.

bit. Oh, she was on an episode. This is her story. What? This is her story. Yeah, this is her story. Big performance. No, she, um, there was a bit on the show where I go to, uh, an amusement park with my mom on the show and they're filming a commercial there and they asked me to be in the commercial and

And the mom on my show always wanted to be on television. That was her bit. And she doesn't get put in this commercial, so she was pissed about it. And they hire another woman to play my mom. And the writers were like,

please will you do this so that it's funny? Yeah. My mom was like, no, I don't want to be on television ever. She said no for weeks. Cause they were like, we have this bit, like, please let us do this. And she was like, no, I'm not. I love that. They like knew it was going to take weeks. So they preface. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so my, my,

There was a bit... Like, on the show, everyone is blonde except for me in the family. I'm the only brunette. That's true. Yeah, it's weird. We've gone over it a thousand times, but it was just kind of an ironic thing. And so...

When my mom eventually said yes to doing it, they put a bit in there. Like one of the lines was that I look at her and I go, my God, do you look more like my mom than my actual mom? And nobody knew that it was my mom for a really long time until somebody like, she was like, I don't like make it a thing because like, then maybe people will just get through this and like not know, but somebody figured it out somehow. I don't, I think they put together that like,

They found photos of me at red carpet events and my mom kind of in the back of it and different photos. They're like cut off her face. They're like, no way. And they're like, that's his mom. So then it became a whole thing that it was my mom. And then there was recently a TikTok that blew up and I sent it to her and she called me furious.

Like, I don't want to see this. And she's like... My mom's a beautiful woman. She just hates being on camera. Like, she just hates it. It's not like she's like... She just does not like being on camera for some reason. She did it for you. That's sweet. I know. And even better, which they... So they paid her for it. And I got to give her this credit. $300. $300? Yeah. I'll give her this credit because I've never even said that. I don't even know if I've ever said this to you. What? My mom...

because she was like so adamant about like not taking money from me. She got paid for the project and paid me. That's sweet. Oh, wow. She's never, you got her the job. That was her thought was like, she never touched a dime of your, of the money. She was like, you got me the job. So then she, yeah. Yeah. So she was like, I wouldn't have done this if it wasn't for you being on the show. I'm pretty sure I paid for gas for us to get this set.

I'm pretty sure we would fill up with gas and I'd be like, yeah, I'm paying for that. Probably. For you and your grandma? Yeah. You felt like a big dog. Yeah. I was like, that gas tank's probably on me. Gas is driving to work in our Camry. I was like, yeah, man, I got you. Did you guys have like a lump sum of money set aside for when you did turn 18? Was that a thing? Because of the Coogan account, right? It's legally required by, I don't know if it's, I think it's California, right? Or is it just SAG or?

All I know is that it's like 15%, which is bananas to think that you can work. I mean, there's kids that make millions and they only get 15% and their parents will take like, you know, close to 10 million. I don't like, I don't understand how they came up with the law that they were like, we're going to protect these people, but you can only get 15% of it. We're going to kind of protect. Yeah. 75% is still going to go away. Almost an agent. Have you guys ever, have you guys ever shared what you made like per episode or anything like that?

No, I don't think we've really talked about it. We don't really talk about how much we make. I don't even know how much he has. I don't know where he's at right now. Like money-wise? Money-wise, yeah. It's not good. Yeah, me neither, man.

I drove to Phoenix, man. What do you think? It's dwindling energy. I'm watching it go down. Did you guys talk to any advisors financially after becoming an adult or did you have some sort of game plan for what to do with the money that you made when you were a kid? He had already burnt through all of it. My grandma is very frugal so she...

saved my money, taught me how to save money. Definitely like still kind of lives rent free in my head, reminding me what to spend money and not spend money on. But yeah, his, I mean, his dad is in business. My grandma's a professor. So like they, she raised four kids and gave them a very good life and education. So she was very helpful for me to not, uh,

She was helpful for me to be smart with my money. I want to meet your grandma. She's in California. I call her Fort Lauderdale. She came out here and was just like, I love this place. This is my life. She stayed. That's sweet. She's the best. She's the sweetest. I've traveled with that woman so many times. Probably more than... Your sisters? Yeah. I mean, I've traveled with her more than I've traveled with anyone in my family, yeah. Yeah.

Does she like your girlfriend? She does, yes. Me just getting all the person. We go over there for like meals once a week. That's really sweet. We go play board games. My grandpa's there full time now. He used to live back in Indiana and help my mom with her business. And then he moved out here like five or six years ago. And so now we go over there and play board games and eat guacamole, you know? Oh my gosh, that's the kind of stuff that's...

Yeah, she doesn't make guacamole. I don't know. Just like a snack. We snack, you know. Not actually guacamole. I would have to make it. She doesn't make a guacamole. But she did a bunch of great stuff for my childhood. Just not the guacamole. Maybe.

Maybe next question on this one. Bradley, I'm going to be honest. I thought you were a father because I kept seeing your nephew all over your Instagram. And I was like, he's a dad. I was like, holy crap. He's literally, he has a son just like me. And then I saw someone comment like, no, it's actually not his kid. It's his nephew. And I'm like, oh, I'm so dumb. So do you get that all the time? All the time, man. Everybody always thinks that I was my son. I kind of stopped posting photos with him because- It stopped.

Stopping the girls? People came up to me and were like, hey, how's your kid? And you're like, what? And they're like, yeah, why are you out here, man? You got a kid at home. Okay. And then I'm going to stop that. Nice bit. The fresca. It's getting to me. He's loosening up now. Yeah, that's my sister's son.

And I now have three nieces and one nephew. My sister just gave birth to twin girls. Wow. So there's a lot of babies around. No, I'm quite excited to be a father, but it's just... Do you have a girlfriend? No, I don't. No.

I'm sorry to disappoint you. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I always felt weird asking that question to people my age until I was married and so I was like, okay, now it's like not weird. Yeah, now I feel you. You guys are going to be grandparents in like 30 years, you know? Isn't that weird? That's crazy. No, like maybe...

Could be earlier than that. Maybe earlier than that. Because we had kids at 20. I'm already a grandma, like mentally. I'm there. I'm ready. That's why you asked Steve his girl, do you have a girlfriend? Yeah, that's how I feel. We had our first at 23 and 24. I feel so old. I do not feel 25. You're just like my parents. My parents got married at 23 and had a kid at 24. And now they have...

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When I go to graduation, my kids' high school graduation, I want people to be like, oh, that's your dad? That's a good-looking guy. He's still so young and strong. I'm going to be doing it at 60. I'm going to be like, oh, my God, your dad's 60? Whoa. That guy's going to have 30 kids. That guy looks terrible. He looks horrible. He's all sunbaked and reasoning. You got time. I wear sunscreen. No pressure. You guys got to wear sunscreen here. Yeah.

Yeah, dude, it's freaking hot. It's freaking hot. Yeah, dude. So it's funny. I did a deep dive on you guys before this interview and there was some really funny stuff that came up on the internet when I was like looking into you guys. Bad news, you actually do have a kid, buddy. How was that vacation that one time? Okay, there was a story that popped up though. I think you guys talked about this on your podcast.

But you would, there was something about back when you were 15 asking Sabrina Carpenter out with like a message in a glass bottle. Can you, can you talk to us about that?

Wow, that's hilarious. Yeah, Sabrina was my first girlfriend. That's crazy. We dated for about two years. That's a long time as a kid. That is a really long time. It was super annoying. We didn't hang out at all. So you guys were best friends and then you stopped hanging out because you were always with Sabrina. Actually, we didn't like each other at that time. I don't think that's correct.

He liked you, okay? So this just in, I didn't like you. Geez. No, I was filming a show with him on Mighty Med. We were right next door to Girl Meets World where she was filming and we met there. It was very much just like a little high school relationship, you know?

Date it from like 14 to 16, probably. Something around there. Really young. Yeah, yeah. I remember... Did you start dating the first season of Mighty Men? Maybe the second season? I think it was the second season. Okay, so you did like me then. You just abandoned me, you know? Yeah. We had just worked out our relationship. Yeah, yeah. And then you left. Yeah, how did that make you feel? Him leaving you for Sabrina? Why did I ask in a bottle? Despair. What did you...

Dude, that's pretty romantic. Is that for real? I don't know. Might be clickbait. I don't know. There was a news article that apparently Sabrina Carpenter in like 2015 talked about how you had asked her out and it was with a message in a bottle. That's at least what it said. So maybe... Dude, I got game. That's crazy. That's pretty creative. If I'm honest...

I, I'm certain that that is something that my mom was like, she'll find that adorable. You should do it. So then she probably did it and I probably gave it to her. Took the credit. Yeah. Of course. But I, I don't remember when.

I don't know why that would have happened, but sure, that seems like something that definitely happened. It is kind of funny because we dated when we were so young, you know? So it was just like a little high school relationship when we were working. That's funny, though. I feel like you could always flex that to your kids.

Yeah, dude. Like, you know the person who's kind of like Taylor Swift? Yeah. She was my girlfriend when I was 14. She's killing the game, dude. She's killing it. She just performed at Coachella, too. That's crazy. Yeah, she's killing it. Did you guys go to Coachella? No. Did not? No. Okay. No. I was too heartbroken. Too heartbroken to show up? Bro, what if you showed up at a concert and were like, Sabrina, answer my DM. No.

She's unbelievably talented. She always has been. It's like really cool to see. There's a certain group of people I feel like when we were younger that you always just kind of like saw as like, yeah, they're going to definitely be the ones that kind of make it big and they're going to really succeed in this industry. I think we always kind of knew she was one of those people. Yeah, she was always one of them. A hardworking person and...

very, very talented. So definitely deserves everything that's going on for it right now. That's dope. Yeah. And apparently that message in the bottle really, really landed on the internet. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. It's funny though. How like once you have success in your life, it's crazy how the goalposts always move. Like I think it's so easy maybe for you guys to like, I don't know, look at Sabrina or look at somebody else who was on a show with you. Who's like gone like crazy and like crazy, crazy successful. Um,

But I don't know. I think I try to remind myself of, okay, I'm a dad and I've got two beautiful boys that are the best. And I don't know what that is for you. Maybe that's your nephew or for Jake, maybe that's your girlfriend. But I think it puts things in perspective when you're like, I have so much to be thankful for.

Like even in this moment, even if, you know, you fail, because I totally resonate with you talking about failing. Like I failed so much in my life. And it like, when you fail, it sucks. But just recognizing like, man, I have so much to be thankful for. I don't know. That always like makes me,

at the end of the day. Absolutely, man. I'm so thankful for my family and kind of like just in general the way I grew up. And I still, I mean, I go to dinner at my parents' house probably twice a week. I live like 25 minutes from them. And my whole family does a big dinner on Sunday. And that's like, it's something that's like just so can be easily tossed aside. It's like, I gotta go to dinner again on Sunday night. But it's just like...

I don't know, what's the worst case scenario? You get to go see your family a little bit, you know? And I just like really appreciate that time with them. And I, I look at like my sisters and then they're all married and they're having kids and it's like, it's so cool to see them doing that. And that's like, obviously something that I'm so excited to do, you know? And it's just such a, it's such an interesting thing.

of living when you work in the film industry because it's not as simple to just go, all right, well, I'm going to start working my job and then I'm going to get married and have kids because I'm like, well, hang on. I got to do this all day and then I might have to leave for six months on end to go film over here. And it's like, you kind of really have to establish yourself before you can do that. But I think for both of us, we...

Certainly want to prioritize family as much as you can. Do you feel like you can't do this career while also... Because you're saying when you get married and start a family, you're going to move away. Do you feel like it's kind of impossible to have the type of family you want to have while still having this job and this career? It's not impossible. It's definitely possible. I'd say... It's certainly hard. What I was going to say in response to both those questions is it pertains...

purpose is kind of the shared human experience. So like for you guys, it's having kids and like, you know, you have so many people watching you guys for advice and sort of

building a life around your family and your kids. And I think people who don't grow up on, on doing film and TV, uh, who get into it and they're like twenties, it means everything. So it was like their purpose is, is art. And then, you know, if that works out great, they keep doing it. They, they build a family, but some, like some people that we know that are like 30, 35, like,

you know, they've just been doing it for so long that it's, it's consuming. Some people can balance both. Some people like it's literally just everything for them until they can find the time or a reason to, to have a family. But I mean, you've grown up around your family. I, I definitely have valued my family more into my twenties, but, um,

it's definitely hard to balance both at times because you, you feel like you want to give everything to your work. And if you do that, then you know, how much time are you going to be able to give to your family or your kids? But I guess it's, it's, that works that way for every profession. It just feels like with the, with the failure aspect or with like trying and constantly getting rejected and having to pick yourself back up, it's hard to imagine, you know,

doing that now when we didn't necessarily have to do that as kids giving that to our own kids because there's something inherently selfish about it you know like you really have to be pretty selfish when it comes to just in general work and being able to do things like uh for instance we're here right now you have to be confident that people want to see you on the screen

Yeah. Like having the ability to just be here right now with you guys and not have to worry about having a kid at home or something like that. Having the freedom to, to make those choices for your career is there's a lot of things that you have to do. That's kind of selfish and it's, it's not the easiest thing as you guys know. Yeah. We both liked acting, performing like as kids. So it's,

pretty possible that one of our kids will like be interested in this in the future I'm like now interested as a mom like doing this as a child like how did it shape your self image and like your confidence I inflated it oh really yeah definitely we I think on the contrary what I really think on the contrary

Like deflated it? Yeah. That's what the opposite would be. Okay, so yeah, I want to hear both things seriously. No, I want to hear about, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Wait, okay, Jake. Jake, you first. Everyone told you how amazing you were. No, no, no, but I mean like, you mean like self-image and like... Like now as a kid. Like how you view yourself. How we view ourselves now or how we view ourselves then. Yeah, but maybe, let's start with then. So you're a kid. Yeah, I'd say then and now are very different. I think then...

When it came to my acting ability, like I felt more confident, I guess, because I was constantly being told how good I was, you know, and that was a strange thing. I think from like a physical or social aspect, I guess, I wasn't a confident person at all. I think I was very confused. And I think I went through a time where like I was working on television in an awkward stage. So yeah,

you know, you would hear comments about that a lot, you know, being like a chubby 14 year old or something like that. So like confidence wise, that aspect of it wasn't really the case. And I said this to you the other day, I didn't, I didn't even realize that when I was 17, 18 years old that I was like,

decent looking guy. You know, like I didn't know at the time. I really didn't have any self-confidence in that sense. So you were confident in your ability to act, but you weren't necessarily confident in your looks? Where did those comments come from? I don't know if it was like necessarily like social media comments or stuff like that, but just kind of knowing in general like where you stand with acting. Again, like you kind of have to accept the idea that

that you're never going to be the leading jock in a show because you're like, well, I'm not going to get that role. They're going to hire this person for that role. And I can say that with ease now, but that's a weird thing to have to accept as a kid when you're like, oh, I'm not as attractive or as tall or strong as that guy, so he's going to get it, not me. And it sounds simple, but it's mentally difficult.

I didn't think about that at all as a kid. I think about that way more now. See, I don't care now. I really don't care. Cause I know that like, there's, it's not necessarily caring. It's just being aware of it. I know, but I'm saying like, I know the things that I'm good at where I guess like I was confused by why I wasn't getting certain things at the time. Like now I know, I know that if I'm going out for a comedy or sitcom or something like that, that I can be one of the most experienced person in,

in the room, you know? And I have that confidence. And I know that if I get that audition for the college football player, I'm going to go, no, that's not me. You know, like that's stupid. But like the son on a sitcom, I'm like, yeah, I can go in there and kill that, you know? And I have that confidence now. I didn't get that concept at 17 years old. That someone might be better for something than you necessarily? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

So what I'm kind of hearing is that the hardest part with those comments was more like not coming from the TV side of things. It's like from social media attention because of the TV show. Yeah. I mean, people are ruthless on social media. It's bizarre. You've got to shut it off and you can't look at it at a certain point. But everybody does. We all say, like, ah, don't look at it. But every once in a while you open the comments and you're like, ah.

okay yeah that's so that's just honestly more validating to me like i totally disassociate from my like kids but yeah it's it's got to be i'm sure you guys do you read it not anymore and i actually feel so good yeah my mental health feels so great since i stopped reading comments my mental health is so much better yeah yeah you feel validated sorry i interrupted you but like well we don't we try to keep our kids like not online and so i think that and a lot of that for me was like because i don't want people commenting and for like

about my children. Yeah, for sure. Like making comments about them or saying like, oh, you shouldn't put your kids online. No, I don't care about that stuff. It's more like for them. Like I don't want them to be like, I don't know, comment like this. The fact that people are commenting about your weight as a 14 year old. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Before the podcast, we were about to all eat cookies and you're like, I'm not gonna eat that cookie until after the podcast. Do you think it still affects

It still affects you? You said you'd be sad about it, right? No, dude. Okay, honestly. So my thing was... You have to answer for that, Bradley. Yeah, yeah. For that caramel cookie. You got me. Now I'm not going to eat it on the way home. No, eat the cookie. Oh, yeah. Let's all eat cookies when we're done. Yeah, the internet. I'm not going to do that. No, I mean, like, for me, more so I've become weird with my... I don't know. It's not weird, but, like, more cautious of my health.

over the last year and a half. I think when I went to college... More cognizant, maybe? Sure. But I went to college and didn't really care about what I was eating and I was drinking and just having fun and being in college. And I think everybody puts on weight when they're in college. Freshman 15? Yeah, I just didn't really pay attention to it or notice it. And then I think I found myself at a point where I was like, oh, I don't want to look like that anymore. So then I started on going, okay, well, I want to lose...

some weight and I want to get in good shape and you know spent last I guess like a year and a half really just kind of going crazy about it but like the thing is I love food right so like I am a foodie I love cooking I love I appreciate food which is I think the worst trait I have in my life I wish I didn't have that you know because like it's so funny dude you look great oh thank you bro you look great what are you talking about but like

The urge of like, oh, I want to just devour that thing. It's like you have to deal with that demon inside. But no, I've gotten to the point now where I'm like, okay, cool. I joke around. It's like, I'll eat the cookie. I really don't care. But I'm just more of like now I'm more aware of like, well, I eat healthy 98% of the time. There's something inside you though that goes like, I want to eat all 12 of those cookies. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I don't have that. I was going to take the glass container. Yeah. No, I asked her not to bake anymore sometimes. Cause she legit would like Abby would make 24 cookies. I would eat all 24 in 24 hours. No, it's like, I just, I love, yeah. But then I started to find love for like, my biggest thing is like cooking, uh,

I just like cooking because I like to cook my food in the most healthy way possible that I can. And just from this last week. You're also a good cook. You make good food. Thank you. Yeah. But this last week, I was in New York and then, you know, came to Arizona. And I just, like, I haven't cooked once this last week. And I feel gross. Like, I just don't feel good because every meal that I eat. Maybe they should stay for dinner. Mm-hmm.

You guys want some dinner? Yeah. What are you making, Abby? Yeah. Chicken. But like, I just like, you know, I like cooking my food

Even chicken. Chicken confuses me so much. You go to a restaurant, and if you just ordered a grilled chicken breast, and it comes out here, it's just doused in some oil that they made, and it doesn't taste as good. It's dry. It just never is good. When I cook it at home, and I just cook it on my own with nothing in it, it's the healthiest version. It's clean. It's not covered in a vegetable oil. It's juicy. I feel so much better, you know? And so now I, like, have that feeling of, like, I know that, like—

And when I eat that crappy meal, I'm going to feel crappy for a bit after. But it's worth it because it's so good, you know? Like we go to a baseball game. Like I'm going to eat nachos and have a beer. It's just not going to happen. I just eat so much processed sugar that I don't feel the difference. This guy, though, has the metabolism of a 13-year-old boy in the world.

And has since I've known him. If he ate that whole thing of cookies, he would eat dinner a little later and not gain a pound tomorrow. Yeah, probably. He just doesn't. That's awesome. And it's so annoying. It's so annoying to watch because you're like, I want that ability. You know? He's just always been this. I also have severe ADHD, so I forget to eat constantly. I'll forget a meal. Oh, now I look like a jerk. What? What?

I think you just kind of vocalize how every wife feels about their husband, though, to be honest. They're like, oh, my husband can literally eat whatever they want. Abby, you eat as much food as I do. Don't be lying. Don't be lying to me. He's like, you're doing all right. Don't worry. I'm like, you took more...

Oh, I do that all the time. You guys make steak, people? I love steak, but we don't really know how to cook it that best, so we have to go to a restaurant. I will teach you. We're more salmon people. We make salmon pretty much every week. Yes, I love salmon. I eat steak. I eat some kind of beef probably every other day. I think I need more red meat in my life, honestly. You can always have more red meat. It's the best thing ever. I might be an emigre.

It's not the best thing ever. It is good for you. But okay, what is new for you guys? You guys have a podcast now. Any exciting projects coming up in the works in addition to the podcast? We would love to give you what they are, but none for me right now. No, I mean, for us, I mean, the podcast is something that we are really pushing for doing more of. We had started on the podcast journey a while ago, had some difficulties with it, and then restarted and...

brought it back mostly because we enjoyed talking to people. Yeah. Having those conversations and also just like the reaction that we got to, it was awesome. Like it was really so cool. We had a lot of people really excited over the fact that we were doing a podcast together. Um, you know, so just pushing and grinding to get that back out there. Um, and then, yeah, you know, the typical life of an actor just auditioning and doing stuff like that, trying to write, trying to produce whatever comes our way. Nothing, nothing,

Nothing in the works right now or nothing like being put out there right now, but stuff in the works. How many no's does it take to get one yes? I don't know. I'll let you know when I get a yes. Seriously, do you have to audition like 20 times to get one? I think the better way to say is like what's a good ratio. I'd say like 50 no's to one yes is pretty good.

You're kidding. No. That many. 50 no's to one yes. 50 no's to one yes. It's kind of like how in baseball. I'd say like 10 no's to one yes is like you're doing something right. Dang. Five no's to one yes is like you're working. You're like a fully working actor. Everyone wants to work with you. You know how in baseball you hit a 300 average. You had an amazing career. Yeah. In reality, that's three out of 10 hits. If you booked three out of 10 jobs-

Oh my God, your batting average would be unreal. That's shocking. I would have thought it would have been like you guys saying you have to, you get so many notes. I thought it'd be like one, one yes for every 10 auditions. No, I know people who work like my, my girlfriend does, but she gets a lot more calls than that. She's very talented, but like she, she would probably do like one, one,

One yes for every 15 no's. Maybe 20. But it's different for everyone. And sometimes the seasons are different. Sometimes it's 50, sometimes it's 5, sometimes it's 10. Yeah. I did not expect that at all. That yes feels so good, though.

that one yes is just yeah it keeps you coming back that's the drug I remember when we were in acting college and they brought in a guest actor to do a Q&A with us and they're like what's dealing with rejection like because I know that's like the reality like this career and he was like I just never get those that person was so cocky though he literally said that I was like I don't

I don't know. Man, that guy had to get to know his next job. And now you're like, who is he? Yeah, who is he? Yeah, nobody knows who this guy is. As we record from your podcast studio in your home. I think in the theater world, some people might know this person, but yeah, we're not going to roast them. No, oh my gosh. We're not going to say their name. Anyway, he's probably known actually, but...

I don't know. I mean, people, unless you're like freaking Kristen Chenoweth, like people don't know who you are in the Broadway world. I knew him well before I went to college. But like you were a theater kid. Wait, is he an actor-actor or is he a theater kid? Like a theater, like more of a Broadway. Is that how they view it in LA? Don't say actor-actor, dude. That's an insult. Wait, yeah, is that what they do? Oh, does he do like...

real acting or is he doing theater? Hold up. Is there like a difference there between LA and New York? Is one looked at better than the other? Dude, I think theater seems scary to me. New York's looked at a lot more prestigious. Really? A lot of people who work on television want to make money in television so they can go work in theater for the rest of their life. Really?

I would have thought it would have been the opposite. I thought people would just want to make more money. There's no money in theater. There's so much money in television and movies. I think it's just a harder task. I think when you've done things in acting...

Yeah. Yeah.

you know, seem like they didn't mess up. So we don't have like, even when we did live audience shows, it's like you mess up, you just do it again. Anyway, they're filming, you know? So it's, it's totally different. That's the only like live experience I've ever had. And a lot of people like grow up in that and they love it. They love theater. They, that's where they find their love for acting. And then they want to go right back to it as much as they can. I would love to do, I would love to do a Broadway play.

Oh, you would? Not a musical, but a play. Are you guys actually doing things to make that happen? Or is that just kind of like one day, hopefully that would be cool? Dude, I think ideally for me, I'd love to be living in New York over the next few years and trying to do it at the very least. It's just always been something that I really wanted to do. I've also always wanted to live in New York. And I think that that experience would just be so valuable as a...

actor too, you know, just like to have that experience. But apparently people struggle oftentimes with like over projecting and coming into state, like coming onto television and being like, they're performing so big. Oh yeah. And people are like, like we're right here. You can settle down. You don't need to yell into the mic, you know? But like, I would imagine you're so used to,

having to perform for the person in the last row like that's what they tell you in theater yeah like perform for the guy in the last row like that would be weird because you know we have a microphone right here i don't have to yell that loud so it's it seems like such a different world different beast i always like to end on a fun note do you guys have like a funny story or something crazy you've never shared before that would be kind of fun to to end on we almost killed our set almost killed a stunt guy on set what that is so funny that that's exactly

I was just about to say that. Like actually though, they almost died. You tackled me. Don't forget about that. I was going to say that. Um, we spent too much time together. Um, okay. We, you need to prep, but the guy didn't, we didn't almost kill him. Like, I mean, what, the basically a stunt went wrong. I thought he was dead. It was scary. Um, there was supposed to, there was a big timing thing. So when somebody gets thrown through glass, right, it's called candy glass. It's this fake glass. That's super brittle, but yeah,

We have a big logo in the hospital that was too big to do candy glass because it would just break on its own. So they had to do like an electrical charge through the glass. Expose the glass. Yeah, so they'll explode it right as the guy's about to hit it. So it looks like the glass broke when he went through it. So somebody gets thrown through the glass.

And there was the special effects team. And then everybody else was supposed to... We were all on the same page. Once this goes, it's happening. And...

I'll never forget this. You and I were standing next to this glass. Dude, I can still hear. I think it was Danny that said hold. No, it wasn't Danny. It was our lighting guy. Remember? Because that's what it was. That's what was the worst part about it. It was like, it was basically they said, if anything happens right before, scream hold and special effects will not blow this glass. And then the stunt guy will not go.

We do action. We start to go. I don't really know how this one was miscommunicated. The stunt guy had to wear headphones, like earplugs, because the glass, when it would blow, he couldn't get glass in his ear and he couldn't hear the explosion. Like it would be too loud. So they call action and they give him the signal to go. And then somebody yells, hold right before he goes. So he has to like,

Jump into this glass window and the special effects team is supposed to blow it at the same time. Special effects team heard hold. So they didn't go. Wait, what did he say? He didn't say hold. He said, no, he said special effects team heard hold. So they didn't blow it. Stunt guy didn't hear hold. Stunt guy couldn't hear it. Jumped into the glass, like headfirst into it. It didn't blow. And then like fell. Did it knock him out?

I can't remember. I don't want to say because I don't want to be wrong about it. Yeah, I can't remember if it knocked him out. You both watched it happen. Oh, yeah. He got up. He was disoriented. Either way. I'll show you guys the video later. Oh, I forgot that you have that. You have a video of this? Oh, yeah. He reminded me of it like two years ago, too, and I was like, oh, my God.

like god i forgot we did that to someone and it was by by no means like it was not like a somebody's fault like it really was just like it was it wasn't like a typical thing on set to say like hold before it's not he just couldn't hear yeah and he and that was the only miscommunication and it wasn't like anybody on that set did anything wrong it wasn't like anyone at the network did anything wrong it was just an unfortunate thing that happened that was a

And then people were upset because they felt bad for him. They felt bad that like someone could have been hurt. Yeah. I mean, they felt bad. He's a stunt guy. They felt bad for the lighting guy. They felt bad for special. Like everybody was like, this was just the most unfortunate thing. Did he go to the hospital after that? Yeah. What?

Yeah. No, he did the stunt after that. Yeah. And then he went to the hospital after that. No way. Yeah. He did? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because they were just worried. Oh, yeah. Okay. So it wasn't like... Yeah. But he was super disoriented. Like, it looked like he had a concussion. Those stunt guys go through crazy, crazy stuff. Well, somebody died on the set of The Walking Dead a couple years ago while they were filming in Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a guy on Good Luck Charlie. There was a bit in the first episode where Bob falls down the stairs holding the baby and he, like, falls down each step. Yeah.

and then catches the baby at the bottom of the stairs. And the stunt guy who had to do the bit, like, would go down each step. And he had a big pad on his back. But I guess it, like, super, like, it really messed up his back. Shoot. Because he, like, he hit every step on the long way. Like, permanently? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't want to make anybody like that. Okay. Well, Bradley tackled me. Uh, one of our first week, it was our press week, like a few weeks into shooting. He tackled me cause I made a joke about, um, someone he had a crush on from his childhood. So he tackled me on camera.

Everyone was there. There was like a line of press outlets. Was this pre-Sabrina or post-Sabrina? Pre-Sabrina. Yeah. No, dude, what happened was you liked a girl. This is how young we were in stupid. You liked a girl. And then I met that girl and started talking to that girl. Hang on. Hang on.

And so then we got mad about that and you were mad at me. So then you made a joke or made a comment about that girl that I liked. No, no, no, no. Oh, oh, the other girl that you like. Yes. Okay. Yeah. You, you made the comment about her and then I was pissed at you. So I, I tackled. I think about the adults in this situation. Like boys, please. Well, they thought that we were just like goofing around. Oh yeah.

They were like, oh! They were just messing around on set. They have so much fun. But I was mad at him. Yeah, that's why he didn't like me. Yeah. That's why you did that the first season. Real douche move, by the way. But that's okay. We've worked through it.

It also makes me sound like I have anger issues. I tackled you in front of. I mean, I just told you this morning that I didn't support you for the golf round. So, I mean, it's fine. I still have things I'm working on. We'll definitely check out Bradley and Jake on their podcast. Where else can people find you guys? You're on YouTube with your podcast. Yeah. Tell us all about that. It's called the sit and chat. It's pretty straightforward. It's a podcast. We sit and chat and we're, yeah, we're on Instagram. We're on Tik TOK.

Yeah, YouTube. We're on our own socials. Go follow us if you like nonsensical content. No, I don't think they do. No, it's okay. God, these guys were tough to watch. No, stay here. Stick it here. I like this podcast. If you want to hear these guys cuss, go listen to their podcast. Dude, the difference in the two podcasts that you guys will get is crazy. No, honestly, we did good. It's the same conversation. We talked about this a thousand times. We need to be better at it.

Like we just, we swear. Well, thank you guys. This was, this was super fun. Go, go follow them on all their social medias. And, uh, we appreciate you guys being here. Thank you guys. I watched the podcast last week, by the way, I'm a, I'm a big fan.