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Will Disinformation Doom Our Democracy? with Nina Jankowicz, Sasha Issenberg & Barbara McQuade

2024/4/11
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卡拉·斯威舍是一位知名的媒体评论家和播客主持人,专注于科技和政治话题的深入分析。
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Kara Swisher: 本期节目讨论了政治虚假信息对2024年美国大选的影响,指出特朗普及其支持者利用虚假信息影响政治,而不仅仅是特朗普一人。共和党还通过诉讼和国会听证会等方式打压研究虚假信息的研究人员,并散布他们自己的虚假信息。 Barbara McQuade: 俄罗斯干预2016年美国大选的成功,让人们意识到国内虚假信息的危害性,导致其日益渗透到政治中。她还特别关注选民压制问题,即通过传播虚假信息来阻止特定人群投票。 Sasha Issenberg: 互联网降低了政治传播的门槛,导致各种各样的人(包括外国政府、匿名个人、以及试图从虚假信息中获利的人)都能大规模传播虚假信息,从而造成政治传播的不对称性。他认为最令人担忧的是虚假信息对地方选举的影响,因为许多地方选举的竞选团队缺乏应对虚假信息的资源和能力。 Nina Jankowicz: 共和党成功地将对虚假信息的任何研究或政府与研究人员和科技平台之间的任何合作都定义为“审查制度”,从而冻结了合作,加剧了信息环境的威胁。她还谈到了自己担任虚假信息治理委员会主任期间的经历,以及她所面临的来自共和党的攻击和威胁。 Barbara McQuade: 特朗普的虚假信息传播与以往不同,他不在乎被揭露为说谎者,并且成功地将“部落”置于“真相”之上。她认为,解决虚假信息问题需要对社交媒体进行监管,包括规范算法、消除机器人账户和披露付费广告来源。 Sasha Issenberg: 人工智能技术,特别是深度伪造技术,能够快速制作大量虚假信息,加剧了虚假信息传播的规模和速度。但他更关注公众对虚假信息的接受度和易感性,认为成功的虚假信息往往是针对社会中真实存在的弱点和不满情绪。 Nina Jankowicz: 基于文本的AI能够生成大量高质量的虚假信息,并将其精准投放到最脆弱的群体,这比音频和视频虚假信息更令人担忧。她还谈到了自己对诽谤诉讼的看法,以及她认为政府应该如何更好地应对虚假信息威胁。

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The panel discusses the evolution of domestic disinformation, highlighting how it has become more integrated into political language and tactics.

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“Flood the zone with shit.” It’s a zinger and a strategic imperative, from the oh-so-eloquent Steve Bannon, being expertly executed by Donald Trump and the MAGA-fied GOP. 

To help us make sense of what our information morass means for the 2024 election, we’re joined by three political disinformation experts: Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation researcher, the former executive director of the Disinformation Governance Board at the Department of Homeland Security, and the author of "How To Lose the Information War"; Sasha Issenberg, a journalist and the author of five books, most recently, “The Lie Detectives”; and Barabara McQuade, a former U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan who teaches law at the University Michigan and recently authored “Attacks from Within.”

Questions? Comments? Email us at [email protected] or find us on social media. We’re on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza

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