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Maggie Haberman Makes Sense of Donald Trump

2022/10/6
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Kara Swisher:Haberman对特朗普的报道是独一无二的,她对特朗普的了解深入且全面,这源于她多年来对特朗普的持续报道。她新书的出版,满足了人们对深入了解特朗普的期待。 Nayeema Raza:Elon Musk最终收购Twitter,以及Peter Thiel对保守派候选人的投资,都体现了新闻人物的巨大影响力。一个新的保守派约会应用也引发了讨论。 Maggie Haberman:她写作这本书的时间安排并非出于战略考虑,而是多种因素共同作用的结果。她认为了解特朗普的成长环境和家庭动态对于理解他至关重要。她与特朗普的互动经历丰富多样,这让她对特朗普有了全面的了解。她认为纠正人们对她的误解是无效的,她更注重做好自己的工作。她书中的核心论点是,一个人无法摆脱其最初的DNA和起源故事的影响。特朗普的成长环境(20世纪60年代至80年代的纽约市)以及其家庭动态塑造了他的世界观。特朗普的性格既有先天因素,也有后天因素。特朗普的性格中同时存在滑稽可笑和暴力专制的一面。特朗普将暴力视为力量的体现,这影响了他的领导方式,并被一些支持者所欣赏。特朗普缺乏求知欲,经常通过虚张声势和欺骗来应对情况。特朗普最显著的三个性格特征是:对暴力的推崇、对被喜欢的渴望以及内心的孤独感。特朗普把她当成他的心理医生,但这只是一个无意义的奉承。她认为媒体需要更好地抵制特朗普的挑衅,她自己在采访中让特朗普说完话,而不是打断他,因为特朗普所说的话比她自己所说的话更有价值。她认为她在2016年的报道非常严谨,但希望自己当时能更多地关注特朗普的商业冲突。左右两派都对她感到愤怒,这部分是因为特朗普将与媒体对抗的模式推广到了全国。她认为特朗普面临的多项调查中,最严重的莫过于与Mar-a-Lago机密文件相关的调查。特朗普并非政治天才,但他善于利用人们的情绪和黑暗面。她认为特朗普会在2024年参加总统竞选,但他可能不会坚持到最后。她不确定自己是否会再次报道特朗普的竞选活动。 Kara Swisher:Haberman对特朗普的报道是独一无二的,她对特朗普的了解深入且全面,这源于她多年来对特朗普的持续报道。她新书的出版,满足了人们对深入了解特朗普的期待。

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Maggie Haberman discusses her deep understanding of Donald Trump, cultivated through years of covering him, and her new book 'Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America'. She explains Trump's personality traits and the influence of his background in New York City.

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Donald Trump has said journalist Maggie Haberman is like his “psychiatrist” — a remark she dismisses as a meaningless and failed attempt at flattery. Yet Haberman does have a deep understanding of what makes the former president tick, cultivated through years of covering City Hall in New York City and then Donald J. Trump for The New York Times. Her recent book, “Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America,” tells Trump’s origin story and chronicles his unexpected takeover of the Republican party and his consolidation of power in Washington. “He’s not a political genius,” Haberman tells Kara, “he is a genius about human emotions and a certain darkness in what animates people.” So will Trump run again in 2024? Haberman says that “he’s backed himself into a corner where he has to,” but she’s not sure whether she'll be covering him.

Before the interview, Kara and Nayeema talk about the newsmakers: Elon Musk’s about-face on the Twitter deal and Peter Thiel’s financing foray into key Senate races and ... a conservative dating app.

You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema. 

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