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How the Right Launders Online Propaganda with Renée DiResta

2024/8/15
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Kara Swisher: 本期节目讨论了斯坦福互联网天文台(SIO)的关闭事件,以及共和党对SIO及其研究人员的协调攻击。这些攻击指责SIO与联邦政府串通,非法审查保守派言论。Swisher认为这些指控是无稽之谈,并指出SIO的研究工作至关重要,其关闭对在线滥用问题的研究造成了损害。她还讨论了科技公司在传播宣传方面所扮演的角色,以及他们对内容审核的减少。 Renée DiResta: DiResta详细介绍了SIO的研究工作,包括对垃圾邮件、诈骗、儿童安全和虚假信息的调查。她解释了SIO如何参与跨机构项目,研究选举和疫苗相关的网络谣言,并帮助那些了解实际情况的人们做出回应。她还描述了对SIO的攻击,包括网络骚扰、来自国会的调查和民事诉讼。DiResta认为,这些攻击旨在通过抹黑个人来解决他们发现的问题,并对言论自由造成了寒蝉效应。她还讨论了科技公司在传播宣传方面所扮演的角色,以及他们对内容审核的减少。 Chris Krebs: Krebs对科技平台在传播虚假信息和宣传方面所扮演的角色表示担忧,并指出2016年俄罗斯干涉美国大选的策略已经被其他行为者所采用。他认为,我们需要关注的不只是行为者,还有平台和平台高管。 Kara Swisher: Swisher 认为,科技公司从愤怒和参与中获益,因此不愿对平台上的宣传进行监管。她还讨论了科技公司如何使平台变得更加不透明,以及他们对内容审核的减少。她认为,内容审核成本高昂,而且容易招致攻击和诉讼,这导致科技公司减少了内容审核力度。她还批评了埃隆·马斯克将自己定位为言论自由的捍卫者,但他却起诉广告商,这是一种双重标准。Swisher 还讨论了埃隆·马斯克在X平台上散布关于英国即将爆发内战和英国警察系统的阴谋论,以及这与英国和爱尔兰发生的骚乱有关。 Renée DiResta: DiResta 认为,病毒式传播并非被动接受信息的结果,而是人们主动参与和分享信息的结果。她还讨论了科技公司如何改变内容审核策略,例如Meta停止支持CrowdTangle。她认为,公开政府删除请求是合理的政策回应,但许多调查并非旨在得出有意义的政策回应或立法。DiResta 还讨论了如何应对选举虚假信息或宣传,以及科技平台需要提前制定明确的应对策略,并在选举虚假信息或宣传出现时予以执行。 Chris Krebs: Krebs 认为,2020年美国大选期间,对选举产生破坏性影响的谣言主要来自美国本土的声音,而不是外国行为者。他认为,煽动社会分裂和制造持续冲突比外国干涉更能破坏民主。

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Renée DiResta discusses the circumstances that led to the dismantling of the Stanford Internet Observatory, including political pressure and funding challenges.

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Renée DiResta is one the world’s leading experts on online disinformation and propaganda and the author of the new book,* *Invisible Rulers, The People Who Turn Lies into Reality). About two months ago, DiResta found out her contract as the technical research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory would not be renewed. What’s more, the SIO, one of the foremost academic programs studying abuse online, would be essentially hollowed out. The university blames funding challenges, and says it has “not shut down or dismantled SIO as a result of outside pressure.” However, many journalists and fellow researchers suspect that political pressure from the right, including congressional hearings led by Rep. Jim Jordan and lawsuits from people like Stephen Miller, caused Stanford to cave.

Kara and Renée discuss the drama at the SIO; Invisible Rulers; the coordinated effort by the right to target academic researchers who study online propaganda and disinformation; the larger strategy to push back against content moderation by social media platforms; and the role the platforms themselves and their CEOS (looking at you, Elon) play in this fight.

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