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Today I'm discussing the case of Patrice Endres. When Patrice goes missing in just a 13-minute window from her salon in 2004, the community rushes to help with the search. And as details continue to develop in her case, it leaves the public wondering if what happened to her could be at the hands of a serial killer or someone closer to home. This is the case of Patrice Endres.
Early in the morning on Thursday, April 15th, 2004, in Cherokee County, Georgia, 38-year-old Patrice Endres is starting her day like a lot of us aspire to, with a solid workout. Her 15-year-old son, DW, or Pistol as he's more affectionately known, remembers waking up to the familiar sound of his mom's feet pounding away on the treadmill.
Patrice had a pretty solid routine. She'd wake up, work out, get ready for work, take Pistol to school, pick him up, maybe work some more, and repeat. She was the proud owner of Tambor's Trim and Tan in Forsyth, Georgia, and was really, truly loved by her community. When you read and hear statements from her friends and family, she is the definition of the she-lights-up-a-room trope, and it truly seems earned.
One story I really loved was Patrice helping with a late night home color disaster. I think we've all been there. This was for her longtime client, Rami Tucker. Basically, Rami had her senior pictures the next day, and she was freaking out. But Patrice came to the rescue.
Rami says Patrice was actually the only person that had ever cut her hair. And eventually, she earned the nickname Saint Patrice. She and her friends later booked Patrice for basically an all-day glam session before prom. She says Patrice just kind of felt like a cool older sister.
Her salon was just off a two-lane highway that I assume wasn't insanely busy in 2004 because people would slow down and honk and wave at Patrice through the screen door. And her friend Anne would stop by nearly every afternoon just to catch up. She remembers her last conversation with Patrice. Patrice said, Woman, are you coming back tomorrow? And Anne said, Of course.
When you look at this case, it's just clear that Patrice had found her community, her calling, and she just loved making people feel beautiful. But Patrice wasn't all sugar. People loved hanging around the salon and talking to Patrice, and after a while, she'd put them to work washing towels. When she was asked if she was ever concerned about working late at night alone, she'd joke that she always carried a pair of scissors. It really does seem that Patrice built this beautiful life for herself and Pistol.
Though Pistol and his stepfather, Rob Endres, both admit that there was tension in the home. Pistol was born in 1988. His father is Patrice's ex-boyfriend, Don Black. Don is 24 years older than Patrice, and according to Patrice's sister, Kylene, Now, in the statement that I found, she's pretty vague, but she alludes to basically Don using drugs.
She says she didn't approve of Patrice's lifestyle, and they drifted apart by the late 1980s. But Kylene says everything changed when Patrice got pregnant with Pistol. She went to school to pursue her dream of making people feel beautiful. She and Dawn broke up, but they did stay friends, and according to Pistol, were great co-parents.
and then she met Rob Endres when he walked in for a haircut at her salon one day. She was 30, he was 50, and they fell in love. Together, they opened Tambor's Trim and Tan in 1996. Tambor is Patrice's maiden name. Then,
The next March, they got married and spent their honeymoon at Bike Week in Daytona Beach. They'd go back each year on a Harley. And according to Rob, they had plans to open up a bed and breakfast in Flagler Beach, Florida in a few years. Rob says Patrice would even match their outfits sometimes. This image he paints, outside of the tension with Pistol, is basically perfect.
And the morning of April 15th seemed to fit that familiar pattern, at least at first. Patrice runs on the treadmill, waking up Pistol. Pistol is rushing Patrice out the door so he can steal a few minutes with his crush before school. But Patrice pauses to leave a note on Rob's car before they head to Pistol's school. At drop-off, they exchange I love yous, then Patrice heads to work.
At 8.50 a.m., her first client, Pam Shepard, arrives for her 9 a.m. appointment. According to reporting by Marsha Lang Henry for the Atlanta Constitution, customers recall Patrice being upbeat that morning. But Pam reports that Patrice seemed oddly distracted, and really just not as attentive as she usually was. But Pam gets her service and leaves the salon at 11.05 a.m.,
Five minutes later, at 11.10 a.m., Paul Cantor arrives for his scheduled appointment. And this time, Patrice is fast. Phone records confirm that Paul is out the door in just 17 minutes. He leaves at 11.27 a.m.
At 11.35, Patrice speaks to a client over the phone who wants to change their appointment. And they report that Patrice was unusually short with them, and just didn't seem like herself. This call lasts two minutes, ending at 11.37. At 11.50, another call came into the shop. But this time, Patrice didn't answer. A few minutes later, her next client arrives at the shop for their 12 o'clock appointment.
The door is unlocked and the lights are on. But Patrice and all the money in the cash register are gone. The client immediately calls 911.
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Now, Pistol doesn't really know what's going on at this point. In his interview with Unsolved Mysteries, he explained that it really wasn't until law enforcement took him to his mom's salon that he realized what was going on. And he says he just breaks down at the scene. But also at the same time, he keeps telling himself that surely there's just something wrong with her phone. She'll call, she'll explain everything any minute now. I don't know what time Pistol gets to the salon.
But according to Patrice's sister, Kylene, it was a chaotic scene. There were helicopters and police scrambling to find Patrice as soon as possible, and investigators from the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office were trying to piece together exactly what happened here. In the shop, there are no signs of a struggle.
But of course, we know that money was taken from the register. Also, Patrice's car keys and purse were sitting right there on the counter. Now, it did look like her purse was gone through because her wallet was sitting there open on the counter right next to it. I couldn't find any information about whether or not her ID was in there, but her credit cards were all still there. And they also found $270 in this, like, secret compartment of the wallet.
So I don't know if they got rifled through, they didn't see the money, or they just didn't want to take it.
I don't know why they wouldn't just grab the entire wallet. But as investigators make their way to the back of the shop, they see what appears to be Patrice's uneaten lunch sitting next to the microwave. The rest of the shop was tidy just as Patrice always kept it, and there was nothing to point them to where Patrice may be. But people who knew Patrice were quick to point out that her car was out of place. They found her black Chevy Tahoe parked in front of the main door to the shop, but the
But those who knew Patrice say that she is always, without fail, backed in on the side of the shop and entered through the side door. It was all just very odd. Almost like she was making lunch and then something happened.
Teams search for Patrice all night, but they don't find anything. The next day, officers conduct a four-hour road check, stopping motorists to see if they've seen Patrice. They also use a reverse 911 system to send out these pre-recorded messages about her to landlines in the area. They searched abandoned houses, empty barns, unpaved roads, and a lot of woods. The salon's actually next to quite a few different patches of wood, so it took some time to get through them all.
And Pistol says that he spent hours walking through the woods just calling his mom's name. I can't make this episode without acknowledging how heartbreaking everything Pistol went through was. In that interview with Unsolved Mysteries, you can't help but feel for him.
especially after learning what he goes through immediately after Patrice is gone. The same day, day two of the search, Friday, maybe 24 hours after finding out that his mom is missing, Rob changes all the locks on their house and doesn't let Pistol back in.
In his interview with Unsolved Mysteries, Rob says that he changed the locks as a precautionary measure, for safety. But as to why he locks out Pistol, he says he just doesn't like him. He'd rather Pistol go somewhere safe and avoid the quote, mental drag, end quote, from Pistol. Funny enough, in an early 2004 interview with the Atlanta Constitution, he says that he just couldn't balance caring for Pistol and searching for Patrice.
While it seems Rob and Pistol got along for the first year of his marriage to Patrice, after that, things got rocky. Now, in that interview, Pistol says, like, especially after his mom was gone, he got in a lot of trouble at school. But Rob says that Pistol was basically out of control, and he and Patrice would often fight about it, and Patrice always sided with Pistol.
Obviously, Pistol doesn't get to go back home. He ends up bouncing around between some of his mother's relatives before finally going back to live with his biological father. Now, Don Black did fight for legal rights over Patrice's assets along with his rights to Pistol, but ultimately, Rob Endres did retain control over Patrice's estate. Of course, investigators begin to look at Patrice's inner circle and her husband Rob, but he has an alibi.
And according to the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office, they think it's pretty solid. Not foolproof, but solid. When all this was happening, he was 45 minutes away getting gas. And he has a receipt to show investigators. The time he got to work was also apparently physically logged and verified through a turnstile he went through.
However, some point to the route that Rob took is just not making sense. The gas station he went to before work and got his receipt from wasn't really on the way to work. And Rob never explains this. Or if he did, it was left on the cutting room floor of the Unsolved Mysteries episode.
That came out in 2020, and I didn't watch it at the time. But I know a lot of you guys probably did, and I found the social media storm around Rob Endres after that episode aired. I think it's safe to say he may have been one of the most hated people on the internet at that time. I will get to that, but I want to stay in order because I found these early 2004 news reports that are really a stark contrast to what I saw on Unsolved Mysteries. Now,
Now, I will say that Patrice's family did verbalize their beliefs that Rob may be involved very early on. They say Patrice was unhappy and thinking of leaving him, that Rob was jealous and possessive. They also expressed their disappointment in Forsyth County for their investigation and lack of communication. Patrice's sister, Kylene, actually created and circulated a letter opposing the sheriff to be re-elected at the time.
But his opponent was apparently indicted on federal charges right before the election, so the sheriff stayed. And Forsyth County Sheriff's Office pushed back against Kylene. They said, sorry, Rob is Patrice's husband and he has a right to be informed, whether you like it or not. In these early news articles, officers even praised Rob for garnering the attention of America's Most Wanted and for holding car washes to raise money for Patrice's reward fund.
Now, when Patrice first went missing, investigators rented out, like, this office space for a makeshift search headquarters. And they say that Rob would visit them every single day. He even sent flowers to investigators to put by Patrice's picture in the office. So while Patrice's family does express these suspicions early on, the sheriff's office just doesn't follow that line of thinking.
Officially, investigators say that while they can't rule out Rob completely, they think it's unlikely that he was involved in Patrice's disappearance. From here, they move on to working all the new leads that are slowly piling up.
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The first major lead in this case that was kind of everywhere in the media in 2004 was a tip from a woman who says she saw a white cargo van parked nose-to-nose with Patrice's Tahoe at the shop, and that she saw a man walking towards the front driver's side door.
Forsyth County Sheriff Ted Paxton considered this tip to be extremely credible, saying that they were able to match cell phone records to the tipster. So they put a lot of work into this. They create a sketch, they circulate it, they circulate these photos of similar vans. But the woman later admitted that she made the whole thing up. She did receive some charges for this, but I just, every time this happens in a case, it just makes me want to scream.
But of course, all they can do is move forward. Forsyth County did have help from the Georgia Bureau of Investigations, or GBI, as well as the FBI, who was working to develop a psychological profile of the abductor. They also found foreign fingerprints on Patrice's Tahoe. But after a few rounds of testing, it was determined that the prints belonged to her mechanic. He'd changed her oil a few days before she went missing.
Soon, someone said that they saw Patrice in South Carolina, and while the woman did look a lot like Patrice, investigators said it just wasn't her. Now, I mentioned earlier that there were some concerns about Patrice's ex, Don Black, possibly using drugs or being involved in a bad scene. So, investigators did dig into this, and they found some of her former co-workers from around that time as well, but it just didn't go anywhere.
At this point, there are a ton of leads that just aren't materializing into anything. But luckily, pretty soon, not one, but two witnesses come forward with actual, credible information. And their stories are eerily similar.
Now, it's very important to note that these witnesses are completely independent of each other. Both witness reports can be placed at just about before noon on April 15th, in that very short window between Patrice not answering the phone and her next client finding the shop empty. Witness 1, Tammy Fincher, says that she drove over the hill and saw Patrice's SUV, and what she thinks is a blue Chevy Lumina with a Georgia Quail wildlife tag parked in front of the shop.
Patrice's SUV is sideways while the car is pointed towards the door.
She says that she saw the door to the salon open and two women in front of the car. One woman fits Patrice's description, a bit taller with dark hair. Tammy says this woman was in the middle of the car. Near the passenger side was an older woman. And she's not really sure what happens here, but she says that they put their hands on each other. She just can't be sure if they were fighting or if maybe one person was helping the other one up. She just said it was odd.
The second witness was a male, who reports a very similar story, but he thinks the car was maybe a Ford Taurus or a Malibu. He believes the other person with Patrice was a male with shoulder-length hair, not a woman.
While it doesn't give us all the answers, it definitely opens the case up to what I would consider one of the strongest theories. That someone stopped by the shop and asked Patrice for a jump. She moves her Tahoe into the odd position it was found in, and then something happens.
I don't know if I can fully explain how much Patrice seemed to be so, so loved. Rami Tucker, the girl that Patrice helped with her hair dye emergency, and a group of her friends not only passed out flyers for Patrice, but spent their own money to have more printed. Remember, these are teenagers. Patrice's sister, Kylene, turned to psychics for help.
She submitted a photo and handwriting sample, and in return got a sketch of an area that she thought looked like nearby Beaufort Dam, sending her navigating this heavily wooded area in search for Patrice. But she wasn't there. Patrice's father, Richard Tambor Sr., says he was just angry. He'd wake up angry about Patrice.
And when he'd try to distract himself by watching some TV, he found his eyes drifting from the screen to a pair of windows that faced his deck, saying he knew it sounded crazy, but he was sure that one of these times when he glanced over, he'd see Patrice. Pistol says that in those early days of the investigation, he was sure he'd wake up one morning to find his mom was back, that all this time she'd been preparing for them to leave Rob, and she'd finally come back to get him.
But since we are here today, you guys know that that did not happen. Patrice's case sat and waited. In January 2005, investigators think they've finally gotten the break they've been waiting for. A confession. Then-suspected serial killer Jeremy Jones was passing by the salon that day and decided to go in. He asks Patrice for a jump, then abducts her at knife point. He says he sexually assaulted her, killed her, and threw her in Sweetwater Creek.
Jones even drew a diagram that was accurate to how Patrice's Tahoe was found. At the time of this confession, Jones was facing charges for the rape and murder of Lisa Marie Nichols in Alabama, and was later convicted. He was also charged with the murder of his 16-year-old neighbor in April 2004.
These statements do seem to make some sense for what may have happened to Patrice, but Jones confessed to killing over 20 women. And after searching the creek, investigators didn't find Patrice. Eventually, Jones recants this confession, along with several others. And it appears that any knowledge he had of Patrice's case likely came from public news reports.
And then, the news that no one wanted to hear in this case. Patrice's remains are found six miles away from her salon. On December 6, 2005, two volunteers at the Lebanon Baptist Church in Dawson County were working on the property when one of them notices a large gathering of buzzards. This leads them to Patrice's skeletal remains. She was identified using dental records, and almost all her bones were recovered.
Her cause and manner of death are unknown, at least to us. It's not really clear if law enforcement has this information or if they're holding it back for a future prosecution. Once again, Pistol is pulled from class, and he's brought into the principal's office. He says at this point, it wasn't rare. After his mom was gone, his behavior got worse. But the principal and Pistol's dad explain that he's not in trouble. But his mom has been found.
And Pistol has this moment of hope, asking where is she? And then they explain the situation. Pistol says he wasn't able to focus on much after this. In addition to Rob withholding childhood mementos and even photos of Patrice from Pistol, he kept her ashes too. It's just heartbreaking to think about what Pistol's gone through.
But while Pistol is just trying to navigate this new life without his mom while also transitioning into adulthood, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office has their eyes on another potential person of interest. Another serial killer. Gary Michael Hilton. Hilton is another terrible person who killed four hikers. He abducted a woman and her dog before killing her. Just...
trash. But they know this man spent some time in Forsyth County around the time that Patrice was presumably taken and murdered. They basically found a record of a traffic stop in the area. Now, I will say that there is some pieces of this that are pretty haunting. Apparently, Hilton enjoyed conning people out of money, specifically hair salons. He also had a habit of going in around lunchtime. But that's really it.
The presumed motive by law enforcement is that this is what this guy does. He harms women and enjoys it. That's the motive. And apparently no alibi was ever established. But at the same time, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office says that there's no real evidence for this claim. He's just considered to be a potential suspect.
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Then, in 2020, the moment you guys have been waiting for, the infamous Unsolved Mysteries episode about Patrice comes out. And people go wild over Rob Endress' interview. And Pistol's interview, too. I even found a subreddit dedicated to basically just hating on Rob, and one dedicated to supporting Pistol.
There is a clear divide in this case, and it's easy to see why. In the episode, Pistol explains that just a few weeks before his mom went missing, she talked about possibly divorcing Rob. He explains that he feels that Rob was jealous of the relationship he had with his mom, and just controlling and unkind. But Pistol does give him some grace. He says that he did tell the police that he thinks Rob may be involved, but he has a few theories.
Rob, however, does not extend the same grace to Pistol, which is where I won't cut this guy an inch of slack. Rob gets nasty and says that Pistol was awful. He says he wasn't jealous of his relationship with his mom, but Pistol was jealous of Rob's relationship with Patrice. If Patrice wanted to divorce him, that's news to him. And while they fought, there was nothing majorly wrong with their marriage. He loved Patrice.
He loved Patrice. He just didn't like Pistol.
The way he tells that camera with his full chest that he changed the locks because he didn't like pistol is one of the coldest things I have ever seen in true crime. Murder accusations aside, doing that to a 15-year-old child, your 15-year-old stepson, is just trash behavior. Then to keep photos of his mother from him, to not even share the ashes with him, is straight deplorable.
I don't care what that child did to him or didn't do to him. I don't think Pistol probably did anything. I don't care what he did or didn't do. Rob Endress is the worst humankind has to offer in that aspect, in my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of the internet.
Now, I know that if I don't talk about this next part, you guys will be in my DMs and comments asking why or how I missed it. So, I want to start off by saying that I don't like to judge the way that a person grieves. But I think it's worth mentioning how Rob's interview sparked a visceral reaction from audiences. A major topic of discussion in this episode, aside from Rob's treatment of Pistol, was just his odd behavior in his interview, and as it relates to Patrice's remains.
Apparently, when Patrice's remains were found, Rob asked for her bones to be laid out in order so they could kind of reassemble her. He also carried around her skull and kissed it. People were really up in arms about this, about how gross and odd it was. And it turned a lot of people off from Rob. During the filming of the show, the producers asked to see Patrice's ashes. And after Rob says that he would cuddle them like a teddy bear, he proceeds to dig them out of the bottom of a closet to show the camera.
The ideas just clashed. He loved and cared for Patrice so much that he was cuddling her ashes, yet they were buried at the bottom of this closet. And he's treating the one thing that Patrice loved most in this world, her son Pistol, absolutely terribly. After this episode, the world hated Rob Endres, and I can see why. But does that make him a killer? I don't know.
At the beginning of this episode, I told you that Patrice left a note on Rob's car that morning. That wasn't in the Unsolved Mysteries episode. I found it kind of buried in an older newspaper article about the case. But she wrote, the best is yet to come.
This piece of the puzzle really only adds to the confusion in this case. Some people take this as proof that Patrice was planning to leave Rob, and they consider this note to be kind of her taunting him. Others take it as more of a love note, looking forward to the future, their bed and breakfast in Florida. Obviously, without Patrice here to ask, I don't think we'll ever know for sure. So, it all boils down to this. What happened to Patrice?
There are so many odds and ends in this case that feel like they could fit. Patrice wanting to leave Rob. Jeremy Jones saying that Patrice helped him with a jump. It's clear that someone else was there at the shop that day that's unaccounted for. Someone driving some type of blue car. Personally, speculation, I think the theory that someone stopped in for a jump, causing Patrice to stop making her lunch, move her SUV into that odd position, is pretty solid.
What happened from there? I don't know. Some have theorized that Rob hired someone to kill Patrice. Maybe even Jeremy Jones. But his confession about throwing Patrice in the river just doesn't line up with where she was found. But maybe that's the point. In the end, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office maintains that they think Rob's involvement is unlikely but not impossible.
They also say that they do have information about the case that they're holding back in hopes of securing a prosecution. And there are some potentially key pieces of evidence that, if recovered, could spark answers in this case. Patrice's wedding ring has never been found. And it's a big ring. It has what I assume was her engagement ring in the middle, a 14-carat gold band with a stunning 1.5-carat marquee diamond in the middle, and soldered to that are gold bands with diamonds on either side.
Of course, I think the other major piece to this puzzle is identifying that blue car. But that is pretty much where Patrice's case is today. Rob Andres died in late 2023, and Patrice's ashes were finally returned to her family. Though it's not completely clear if those ashes actually went to Pistol. But I hope so.
He's why I covered Patrice's case. Of course, like I said, Patrice did seem like this genuinely cool human who cared for others and was trying to make the world just a little bit better. But Pistol was Patrice's whole world, and she was his. Pistol says that Patrice was that mom. The mom that went to every meet, every game, every practice.
The one that showed up to everything and was always there to love and support him. The type of mom we should all be so lucky to have. Of course, nothing in this world can bring Patrice back. But there's still a chance we can help Pistol get some answers. Which brings me right to our call to action. Pistol just wants justice for his mom, as do so many people who knew and loved Patrice.
Please share her story. I'll also have photos of her wedding ring and possible vehicles at the scene that day on our social media pages for easy sharing. If you watched that Unsolved Mysteries episode or felt anything for Pistol, please share his mom's case. It doesn't have to be this episode or anything I create. I just ask that you take a moment to remind the world that Patrice Endres still needs justice.
As a reminder, Patrice Endres was approximately 38 years old at the time of her death. She was white, 5'4", and weighed approximately 125 pounds. She had dark, shoulder-length hair with red highlights, and was last seen wearing a pink short-sleeved shirt, green pants, pink shoes, and a green jacket. Anyone with information is asked to call the GBI tip line at 1-800-597-8477.
You can also visit the GBI website or download the See Something, Send Something mobile app to provide tips anonymously. But, as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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Welcome to the Secret After Show. The dogs are in. There is someone right outside my house with what sounds like a very large, loud truck. Strap in. I think this is going to be a long one. This case, seeing Pistol, it just, I just, I had to help. And I hope this episode helps. It feels like so.
um, pretentious really to be like, my episode's going to help. Um, I hate it when people talk like that. I really do. Like the hope is that you help. Right. And I hope I help. So, um,
Now, I want to talk about, and I touched on it in the episode, but really the discrepancy in the media coverage. Well, I guess what I mean to say is the way that Rob was portrayed in the media in those early days, 2004, 2005, which is where most of the articles come from, and how he came across in that Unsolved Mysteries episode. And I think there's a few factors to consider.
One, I think we need to be very honest that Unsolved Mysteries left out some things. They just did. It just is what it is. No shade to Unsolved Mysteries. They're there to raise awareness. They're telling a story. I know how these shows go, and the facts don't always make it in, and that's just the reality of true crime. Be a conscious consumer. Understand that they will omit facts. They will. It just is what it is.
But I think another thing to think about, too, is that it's been a while. It's been 20 years since Patrice went missing and, you know, 19 since she was found. And that can change people. You know, I will say that I think in my experience, if someone if Rob if Rob did do something horrible, his behavior early on might be very different. 20 years after the fact when he feels he's gotten away with it.
I'm not saying he did it. I'm just saying it's something to consider. Something I certainly, because I was like, why is this so different? Like, this is not what I saw. I'm not finding this. Like, what is happening? Unsolved Mysteries is painting him one way, and in the news reports and the police, they seem to care for him. Also, I think it's worth noting that the producer, I think it was Muir, that came out from Unsolved Mysteries, came out and kind of defended Robb.
She didn't say that he was like innocent, but she was basically like, I thought his interview was fine, which I think is quite interesting. I think any producer in true crime that would sit down with Rob Endres and have that interview would realize they have TV gold. It was TV gold. He gave them TV gold. It's clear the marketing around this didn't even have to exist. I mean, my gosh, the episode marketed itself.
People are going absolutely insane over this. And again, I understand why. I just think it's worth, I don't know, taking a second look at all that and kind of analyzing it.
Now, I will say, I found something that I really did want to present because it wasn't appropriate for the episode, but I do think I want to talk about it. So in 2012, Forsyth County Sheriff Ted Paxton was the subject of a 911 call after he was found passed out inside of a house where he was supposed to be babysitting an infant.
Yeah. So it just gets worse. So like the mom calls 911 and he admits to her that he had too much to drink. Like she's like, help me. Like I guess he's passed out. So she's like, I don't know. Is he going to die? I don't know what's happening. And so he tells first responders, quote, go ahead and tell the papers. Your sheriff is drunk. End quote. He then proceeded to blame this incident on a sugar imbalance.
and later called the entire ordeal politically motivated to curb his chances for re-election. Despite this, he remained in office until 2013, where he made a grand statement about all the amazing things he'd done over the past 12 years. And maybe he did. Maybe he did. I just thought that was an interesting tidbit that...
Mr. Ted Paxton, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office that really heavily defended Rob, found themselves in this predicament. And also, very interesting as well, Ted Paxton ran for coroner of Forsyth County in 2020 and lost. Again, it's like one of those tidbits that isn't extremely relevant to the episode, but I thought it's just kind of one of those contextual things that I think is interesting to know.
Actually, I found a few little tidbits. So the witness, Tammy Fincher, she, I didn't put this in, but she, obviously everything here I didn't put in. I don't know why I keep saying that. She has expressed her regret for not stopping. She says that she cries herself to sleep over it. And that broke my heart. That broke my heart. It's like hindsight's 20-20. And yeah, what if, should have, could have, ugh.
I can't imagine how she feels. And I just hope that she knows that, you know, it seems like she did the best she could. She remembered so much. And she came forward. She cooperated with Unsolved Mysteries. Like, she obviously cares and wants to help. And I don't know why she'd be listening to this. But Tammy Fincher, if you're out there listening, I hope you know that I think you're a good person and you did the right thing. And it's not your fault.
On to me feeling overly emotional in this episode. Um, Rami Tucker. Oh my gosh. That, oof, it gutted me. It gutted me to hear this girl, she had just turned 18 or I don't know, it said 18. I guess I'm assuming she just turned 18 because it was like prom and her senior pictures. Um, and I was like, oh my gosh.
her talking about how Patrice was like a cool older sister and came and helped her like in the middle of the night with her hair color emergency. And then she booked her with all her friends for prom. And then they went and spent their money to go print flyers for Patrice. Like that, um, it just hits. It just hits. And maybe it's just me. You guys tell me. I know that I'm a big softie and I'm very emotional.
But it's just it's that ripple effect and in seeing a community come together and just care so much for Patrice is it's kind of overwhelming in the best way. It's it's just really cool to see. And again, just like Tammy Fincher, so much love. Rami Tucker, one, I hope I'm saying your name right. And two, sending you so much love.
Okay, you guys, I debated this. I debated this. I'm going to say something controversial that kind of sides with Rob and don't come for me. I don't care. This is my own personal experience and you can judge me all you want. I got very uncomfortable with people judging Rob and what he did with the remains because I think about what I might do if I ever find my sister's remains. And that's my only point of reference. Yeah.
And I get how weird it looks. I really do. And I'm not saying I would do everything that Rob did. But like, if I found my sister's remains and they found like probably the only part of her that would be like somewhat identifiable or that looked like her skull, I might kiss her on the forehead. I don't think that that's crazy. And I don't think that that's, I don't know. Like I get that like physically that seems gross, but like,
If all I have is my sister's skeleton and I'm laying her to rest and I might, like, hold her a little and I might give her a forehead kiss. I don't know. I don't know. I just wanted to say that. Again, I'm not siding with Rob. I have feelings about Rob, obviously, that I have expressed very clearly in this episode. But I think sometimes, you know...
I don't know. It's hard because I think it's not even, it's not, and I want to remove it from like it being Rob doing it. It's the idea that having a loved one that you've just reunited with their remains, you know, over a year later, that doing something like kissing their skull is weird. I don't think so. I know not everyone would do it. And maybe in the moment I wouldn't either. Maybe it would really freak me out and I wouldn't.
But I just think that idea, we just, like, the judgment needs to, like, back off a little bit. Now that I've been canceled, I will move on to the meat of why I wanted to do this case, and that's Pistol. That kid. Now he's a grown man. I think we were actually, yeah, we were born the same year. Pistol, if for some reason you are out there listening to this, I am sending you so, so much love. And I hope you know...
You deserved so much better. I don't care what hell you raised in that house, what you did, no one deserves to be treated the way that you were. It's not okay, and the world sees it, and I think 99.9% of people are on your side. On to what's going on with me, um, and you guys, this is just such an emotional episode, um...
I watched Baby Reindeer and on Netflix, if you guys haven't seen it, it's about a comedian who is stalked. I don't want to give it all away because it's such a powerful story the way that it unfolds, but it's heavy.
And I think it's so important. I could not stop watching it. I watched it over the weekend. And literally, I was up to like 3 or 4 a.m., like falling asleep, waking back up, watching it again. I was glued to it because it's so compelling. It's a true story. And it talks a lot about not only stalking, right? Because stalking, oh, freaking don't get me started on stalking. There's like no repercussions for stalking. People can just stalk away with no freaking limit. But
But it gets deeper. And like I said, I don't want to give it away. But it talks about the complexities of abuse and trauma in a way that I don't think I've seen before. And maybe it exists out there. And like I said, I just haven't been exposed to it. But again, just so powerful. So if you are in the right headspace and looking for something that if you're a victim of trauma in some capacity, you might relate to,
I recommend Baby Reindeer. Some of the judgment I've seen passed on it about, like, the ending is really interesting. I don't know. Again, I don't want to give it away. I feel like I'm going to give it away. It's fantastic. Like I said, it is heavy. Be in the right headspace to watch it. It talks a lot about trauma, but it is so, so powerful. And if you're looking for innovative pieces in this space, I think Baby Reindeer is it.
On to our segment of hope. This is actually a solve that I learned about via email because I'm on the board of Season of Justice. And I'm so freaking proud of this and so excited. It's just, I just love seeing solves. So I am getting my information from seasonofjustice.org. It's a press release.
But this happened actually just a few days before this episode goes out. I do do these aftershows kind of after the episodes. I really want to make them current. But so in Zionsville, Indiana, May 7th, 2024, the Ventura Police Department announced the successful identification of the person who killed 42-year-old Danielle Klaus in 1991 as Larry Devin Welch.
So essentially back in June, 2022, the Ventura PD was granted an award, um, awarded a grant. You think I'd know how to say that from season of justice, um, to fund testing and it led to a solve. Um, it's just, it's so cool. Um, of course I feel like I always have to say this. I'm like, yeah, I love seeing solves. And I'm like, yeah, but then of course, like, it's awful. We wish this thing never happened. Um,
But yeah, and I want to say too that like you guys are a part of this. My whole journey here in true crime that led me to Season of Justice, I like everything I do, I feel like comes back to you guys. You guys giving me the confidence, the love, the support, the community to keep going and not feel insane for being so passionate about what I'm passionate for. Passionate about? I'm getting tired. It means the world to me.
Now, I don't want to leave you hanging. I know I've done that in the past and I'm sorry. I feel like when I cover these stories, I like legit don't care what happens to the perpetrator. I'm like, they found out it was him. Done. Goodbye. I don't care. But I know you guys do and I'm trying to be better. And you're right. You are correct. I need to present the complete case information. So this gentleman, Welch, he passed away in 1999. And there was no connection between him and her at the time of the murder. So it does appear to be
random. But that's all we know. He is gone, so there are no charges, but, um, her family has answers.
So I will plug Season of Justice here because, as you see, it really does solve cases. That's why I do it. That's why I volunteer my time there. You can learn more at seasonofjustice.org. We would love your support in any way. You can donate. You can share. It doesn't matter to me. I get it. It's hard times. Asking for money when people can't pay their mortgage makes me want to
crawl inside a hole. So I understand if you can't afford, please just share. That would be really, really awesome. I can tell you I was a founding, I am a founding board member. I've been with this organization from the beginning and we care.
We care and we give the money. We've given, let me see if I can find the right number. I think it was close to 2 million now, which is insane. Let me see. I failed you. I can't find the number right now. But I can say that we have actually done 13 solves at this point. So if you're looking to support an organization where you know that your share is going to make an impact, it's going to go to a good place, seasonofjustice.org.
But as always, thank you. I love you. And I'll talk to you next time. If you tune in this, I don't, I don't want to re-listen to this after show you guys. I spoke too much, maybe. All right. Love you. Bye.
