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In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared. I found out what happened to all of them, except one. A woman known as Dia, whose estate is worth millions of dollars. I'm Lucy Sheriff. Over the past four years, I've spoken with Dia's family and friends, and I've discovered that everyone has a different version of events.
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In last week's episode, I told you about Angela Green, a 51-year-old woman who went missing from Prairie Village, Kansas in June of 2019. And you met her daughter Ellie, who after receiving some conflicting and outright confusing stories from her dad about what happened to her mom, started recording her phone calls with him. If you haven't listened to part one, I highly recommend going back and listening to that first or else this episode is not going to make much sense.
Let's get right into the calls. There are five calls in total that span about an hour and a half. I'm not going to play you every second of every call, but you are going to hear a lot of them. I think it's important to use as much real audio as possible in confusing cases like this because so much can be lost in translation. It also, in my opinion, shows a breakdown of Ellie's relationship with her father as she continues to ask him questions and ask for his help in looking for her mom.
I don't point this out as a way to cast any blame on Jeff. I point this out as a way to remind you guys that these are real people, and Angela's disappearance has essentially destroyed this family that once appeared to be so happy. But I will get off of my true crime stories are real people soapbox now and get back to the story.
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The first recorded call happens on February 18, 2020, just five days after Ellie reported her mother missing. The recording starts mid-call, so we kind of have to just jump in. But in this call, you can hear Jeff himself explain the bizarre set of events that he explained to Ellie when he was on speakerphone with the police. It was actually strange.
that I was going to force her to go see a doctor. So I guess she took that and decided that it was time to do something. So she...
Or, I don't know. I'm assuming all this. I really don't know if this is correct or not. Anyway, what happened was I got a call at work that she was going to the hospital to get checked out. And then I got a call that she was being evaluated and I couldn't see her until, I guess it was the following weekend. So I made plans to kind of go down there.
I set aside time. I didn't make any plans to do anything other than, okay, when I find out that I can come see her, I'll come see her. And where was that? Well, that I need to...
see if I could find out something because I didn't get any... This is all done by phone at work when it's busy and it's crazy. It was like, we'll call you back and let you know when you come. So I figured I'd get information on where to go at that time. Then I got a call that she had passed away and then I got a call that...
funeral things and what do I want to do and I'm like oh my god and it's crazy time and um I can't hardly think straight and it's like okay let's do cremation because I don't know what kind of arrangements we're going to be able to make her house soon and and so then uh um
I got a call that someone was going to come by the house and pick up money for the cremation. So they did that and then they dropped—I got an urn and they dropped the urn back by. It was all done by phone and now that I think about it, it was like— When was that? That was back in July.
In the next part of this call, Jeff begins to tell Ellie that he thinks he might have seen Angela around their home, starting way back in September of 2019. And he explains some weird things that have happened around the house. And then Ellie starts asking a lot of questions, including outright asking her dad if he hurt her mom. Around September, I saw I was coming home and I saw somebody, um...
walking from the house out to the street, got in the car and left. I was a couple blocks away and I didn't take much of it and I thought, well, that's one of those people dropping off a flyer or something like that. Got in the house and
Didn't see or notice anything, although the person did, now that I think about it, looking back on it, it's like, what? Because kind of like about the right size for Angela. And I have noticed a few weird things. Like when I clean up on Saturday, I sweep the house around through and it's like, well, I don't remember anything.
dragging in all that dirt from outside when I put the trench out during the week. And occasionally I'll notice that I think something's not quite where it was before or a drawer is a little bit open and it's like, I don't remember doing that. That's weird. But I, again, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
And I didn't think anything about, really about Angela still being, the possibility of her still being alive until you told me that there's an adaptive certificate and it's like, oh my gosh, well maybe she is alive. But
Without any supporting evidence around it, by seeing her or anything, who knows? So at the moment, I have no idea which way to go or what the truth is or what's going on until we...
find some more information. So it's been real weird. And the police... I don't know who requested the wellness check with the police department, but the police came by and that was real weird. And so...
to help me figure out, because that kind of threw a whole loop on things again. It's like, oh my God, maybe she's alive and I have to go through all the grieving process again in the future if something happens, even if it's 20 years from now. So...
I don't know. I'm still well mixed up and it was real turmoil the last few days. I talked to an attorney about what's going on. So who came by for the cremation? Oh, I don't know.
Male, about 45. A man, Caucasian, dark-haired. That's all I can remember from when I quit. How much money was it? It wasn't much. It was $1,500.
Which is about right for cremation. And where are the ashes at now? Well, that's the other thing. I got the urn back and I didn't check it until just this past weekend and I thought, should I open the urn? So I finally did. I opened it up and it's empty. There were no ashes in it. It felt screwy. Where is that? The urn's at home in Prairie Village.
I put it up on the shelf when I got it and didn't think anything about it. Um, can you see it? So you have to remember that during that time I was very upset and beside myself and sad and emotions were going all kinds of weird ways and the loss and grief and everything and it's like I didn't check anything. Can I see the urn? Yeah, sure. Yeah, absolutely.
So that's all I know at this point. And the past few days have been very stressful. So anyhow, it's...
Hopefully it'll calm down a little bit and we'll get some answers at some point. What about the story you told me about, like, taking her from a parking lot and... Well, that was... I didn't... I didn't want you to think that she had run off with some stranger to do something and I thought it would be...
Well, Dad, you know I want the truth. Yeah, and the truth is that she kind of disappeared. I didn't want you to think that she'd run off and gone somewhere. Did you hurt Mom? No.
No, I wanted to get her help with the doctor to find out what the issues could be that she had that could get taken care of through talking to the psychiatrist. I was thinking it was more of a medical thing. What doctor did you contact?
I didn't contact a doctor. I needed that ticket to any doctor. I told her we could go to our doctor. I told her we could go to any doctor she wanted to. What's your doctor? Like what was her doctor? She's only been to one doctor in her entire life while she's been here and that was the doctor that she went to see who was there for your birth way back then 20 years ago. Okay.
That's it. She absolutely recused to go see a doctor for anything. Well, I hope you're telling the truth, and I just want to know the truth. Like, as bad as it is, like, it stresses everybody out, so just tell me as soon as possible. Like, seriously. It's so not fair.
You know I'm her daughter. She loves me. Like, she would want me to know the truth. So I don't want any fabrication of stories anymore. Do you understand? Yes, I understand. Even if you're trying to protect me, just tell me the truth. Yes, I will. And I love you, Dad. I love you, too. Yeah, thank you.
Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Love you. Bye-bye. Bye.
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The next day, Ellie is understandably still confused and asks her father to tell her exactly what happened after she fought with her mom. And they run through some possibilities of what might have happened to Angela. And again, Ellie asks a lot of questions. Just like your cookie. You remind me of my cookie. I know what you mean. I just, like, I can't follow your story, like...
There's parts missing and stuff doesn't make sense. Right. It's still that way for me a bit too. So... I think the only way we'll find out what actually the story is, more about what it is, is if we can contact Angela and talk to her. So let's see what happens. So can you start from the beginning? Like, after she told me to leave, like...
You know, June 19th. Like, how did she act after she threw the flowers at me and I backed out of the driveway and left? Like, how was she? Just same as she'd been before that. From what I saw, she was building her nest to stay in and not contacting anybody, not wanting to talk to anybody or go anywhere, do anything. How long did that last?
Well, it was that way, slowly getting that way for over a year. And I would tell her that she needs to go see the doctor. She needs to go get this checked, get that checked. I told her that we could do it here. We could do it with my doctor. There are women at that doctor's place. She could meet some of the women. And we could go to the hospital. We'd go to the emergency, not emergency, but there's little health clinics around, and
Marvin could take her to the doctor. I mean, I tried to get her to do everything. Then I told you about the plan that I had to check her, and I thought, well, maybe there's some other things. So I checked with mental health, and they told me that there's a code you can use if you call the police, and they'll come and help you.
and take the person in for evaluation. I thought, well, that would be a much better way to do it. So I explained so that Angela could save face. I told her that she needs to get checked out. She either gets checked out voluntarily and go, or she can be forced to go get checked out, but she can't continue on because of it.
There could be estrogen levels that are off that can be fixed very easily with a pill. There's other chemical imbalances. She was eating Goji berries by the handful every day, which I know is not good. We're talking to a mental health person to kind of get her back out of whatever. Which mental health places did you look at?
Well, I didn't look at a particular mental health place. I didn't care which doctor, which hospital, which mental health place. None of that mattered as long as she went to see somebody. The only thing I wanted to do was get her to go see somebody. Gotcha. So then when was the last time you saw mom? Gosh, I don't know. I didn't write it down. I'd have to go. Like how many days after...
I was kicked out. Did she leave? Or like it wasn't hours or a day? I remember everything about you getting kicked out other than she kicked you out and I went in and told her this is it. It's gone too far. You need to stop. This is what has to happen. But as far as what day it was, I don't know. I'll have to see if there's
I can jog my memory as far as what day it was. Like, the day that I was kicked out was June 19th. So did she run away that night, or did she run away, like, the next day? It was later. It was later than that because, I don't know, it was later than that. Was it in July? I'm trying to remember whether it was before July 4th or after July 4th, because that's a date that's important to... Yeah. Yeah.
So I don't know what I have to think about. I don't know. It's somewhere around here. Because on June 23rd, that was a Friday, like after she had kicked me out, you told me the front door was open. You're welcome to come back in anytime. So I thought that she had been taken away and that it was safe to come back. And I didn't think she was coming back into the house like you said.
Well, I don't know whether she was going to come back or not come back. I don't know.
No, I don't know what she took with her. Like, is that still at home? Because you know we went through her things. I haven't thrown any of her stuff out. It's terrible dorm things that we found. The rest of the stuff is all there. So she just slammed the door and left and was there like a, did she go in a car? Did she just like... She left while I was at work. So I don't know what she left with. So she left...
And you don't remember which day she left while you were at work? No, that's the busiest time of the year for me at work. Yeah, I know that. So the other thing is, like, I know you care about her, and, like, knowing you as a person, why did you not go after her and file a police report? Because she's been gone before for a few days, and she came back. So I wasn't concerned. I don't have all the answers. I don't know. Because until we talk to her, we're not going to have all the answers.
Just the way it's going to be. So after she ran away while you were at work, did she ever come back? I did not see her back. Does she have a key to the house? Does she have a key? Because she doesn't know the garage door password. Yeah, I know she doesn't know the garage door password. Yes, she has a key. She's used the key to keep me out. I went down to the garage and couldn't get back in. I guess, like, I'm so surprised that you didn't...
file a police report for like a missing person or anything or like try to find her like you just let her go because i thought like i thought you cared about her more than that well i do she's an adult she can take care of herself she can decide to stay away or come back i could didn't even have a clue did she take her driver's license or a passport uh driver's license i don't know
I don't know if I've seen her passport. I know her Chinese passport's there at home. But she didn't have an American passport. I wanted her to get an American passport a year ago so that if we needed to travel somewhere, we could travel. So I wanted her to get that. She did get her new driver's license. That took a little doing to get her down to get that done. I know that. Where is that one? Still at home? I guess it's with her. I thought I saw it on the table. You probably saw an old one.
So then I know you said she would re-enter the house. How many times did she do that? Does she still go back into the house now? I'm not sure. I noticed there are some things that I think are unusual. Like I didn't put that there. The other day I noticed there was a drawer that was slightly open. I thought it shouldn't be open because I polished all the furniture and closed all the drawers. So I don't know.
How long ago was that drawer open? Well, okay. The other thing is that you know when somebody has to be cremated, like my friend's grandma had to be cremated, and you have to have a death certificate to do that.
Like, you have to have a death certificate to be able to cremate somebody. And so when that person showed up and told you that she was going to be cremated, like, knowing who you are and how inquisitive you are, why didn't you, like, question who they were, where they were from? How did you pay for the cremation? Like, all cash, credit card? It was paid in cash. Most everything was done over the phone.
When did you start grieving for her? And what day do you think that is? You told me the 16th. And so somebody called you and said that she had died. Right.
And you don't know who that was? No. It was quite a shock. I can understand that, but I'm surprised that you wouldn't have asked who they were or what hospital she died at, you know? Because everything is on record. Every death certificate is on record. Right. Yep. So, also, where's the urn? It's at home. Is it on top of that dining china cabinet thing? Yes. Okay.
All right. Yeah, I'd like to see that. Yep. And you didn't question the person when they, like, went up and went to the front door and asked you? No, because it all seemed logical over the phone, considering what little I knew about all the stuff that was needed and the mental condition that I was in. It seemed correct. I wasn't questioning them.
Is there anything else you want to talk about? She didn't take her phone with her, right? Right. I've got the phone here. I know you do. Yeah, I know. I'm surprised you just readily got her agreed to get her cremated without any paperwork or proof or anything. Well, it seems unusual months later looking back on it, but at the time it
Did not seem odd since I'd never done it before. You think it was some, like, secret cult? Uh, I don't know. Maybe it was a way to get back at me. Bit of a mean streak there. Is there a Chinese church around? There's lots of them. Why? Because I don't know if she would have gone there to, like, seek refuge or help or anything. Oh, I doubt that. I'm shamed.
I don't know what friends she had before the summer went off. I don't know. Maybe still out there.
Can you look through her, like, phone records to see if she called anybody back then? Uh, that's a good one. I'd like to see what's on the phone. All right, well, I'm still in Warren, so I'm getting ready to leave, so I'll talk to you tomorrow, and I'll get that rent money to your account tonight. All right, um, one more thing. Like, do you want to together, like, try to find out where she is?
It'd be nice to use her again to find out what's going on. Do you want to talk to me, like, together to find out where she is? Like, how are we going to do that? I don't, like, go find the mental institutions, like, find the death certificates, file a missing persons report, like, all of that. Well, I think the police are involved right now, so that's kind of taken care of.
Best certificate you've already looked for, there isn't one. I wouldn't have a clue which facility to go check and ask about. And I'm thinking at this particular time that there never was one in Boston. We won't find anything that way. This is all kind of new, so it'll take a while to sink in and come up with some ideas. But yeah, we can pursue some reasonable ones. I'm not going to
drive to every medical facility no i'm not saying that i think like since we're immediate family members you might be able to like ask about it like with the death certificate they'll give it to us immediately because we're family yeah but i think they also have to find a mistake don't they no like they'll give it to you immediately like they'll do the search and they'll find it for you because that's what i did when i went to topeka oh
Okay, well, let me find out the rules on that a little bit so we know where to go look because maybe we only have to check with Tadika. Okay. I mean, I want to know where she is. Do you have a gut feeling whether she's alive or dead? At this point, no, it's 50-50. I don't know what's going on yet. All right. You got a lawyer, right? Yes. Like, to protect yourself?
Right. I do not have a lawyer for anything else. Okay. I got the lawyer because I don't know what to say to the police. I don't know what the police are thinking and whether they think that I'm somebody that can help and they want to talk to me to get some helpful ideas or whether they're not going to talk to me because I'm the prime suspect and they know that something terrible is happening and none of the rest of us do. I don't know. So that's why I had an attorney.
That's fair, yeah. I don't want to find her, though. Yeah, I know you do. It'd be nice to find her, put her into all this. All right, well, I'll talk to you later. All right. All right. Love you. Love you, too. Bye-bye. Bye.
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The next call Ellie records with her father is a few days later, on February 22nd, 2020. They discuss Ellie keeping up with school while she's trying to get answers about her mom, her living situation, and finances. It seems like a pretty typical father-daughter conversation, in my opinion. But then, Jeff asks Ellie if she's been speaking to the police a lot. And
And Ellie takes this chance to discuss the case and ask some new and, again, in my opinion, pretty fair questions that I was wondering about too. At this point, she also confides in her father that she doesn't think that her mother is still alive. I also think this call really helps us understand Angela's mental state around the time of her disappearance. So have you been talking to the police a lot? Not a lot, no.
They've only questioned me a few times. Yeah. In a situation like this, they look at the closest person as primary suspect. And that doesn't change until they find someone or something else. So...
I'm the closest person, so I'm the primary suspect, and who knows when they'll change. And then the other thing they do is they work very hard to make it so that the friends of the primary suspect, people that would assist or help or make them feel better, turn against them. So...
Well, I haven't turned against you at all. I'm just... I mean, I still haven't gotten over the fact that you've lied to me and said that Mom was taken away when she was actually disappeared or dead or whatever, so... Okay, well, keep that in mind. Whatever they're saying is to manipulate you to make my life more miserable because the...
They eventually got me so isolated that I began to think of the police as friends. So they're doing a... They have just asked me straight, logical questions. They haven't asked me... Like, I haven't tied any emotion to it. Yeah, well, just... Even the questions they ask tend to...
move your thought process one place or another so I've always been skeptical you've always told me to be skeptical so yeah told you to be skeptical that's correct okay so if I hear anything about mom I'll let you know how would you hear anything about her well who knows maybe I'll hear it from the police maybe I'll hear it from her maybe I'll hear it from somewhere else I don't know how would you hear it from her
Well, if she's still alive, then maybe she'll call or something. I don't know. I mean, I don't think she's still alive, Dad. As this gets further along and if it clears up to where I'm not the primary suspect in her death because that's what they look at first, too. The person goes missing. The first thing they think of, the police think of is that somebody's killed her.
they don't put first on the list as she's run away, she's abducted, whatever. It was way down the list. So they've got a grid formula that they look at and they work their way through that. So they're thinking everybody's bad, everybody's terrible. The worst thing possible has happened and that's what they start their search on. So
We'll see where it ends up. But your belief is that she ran away at this point? At this point, and I've not heard anything good or bad on that. And the reason I think that may be the case is lots of things are turning up as no information from places that should provide information. So...
What kinds of places? Well, like, she went to a medical facility. She'd have to use Blue Cross Blue Shield. And so I'd get a notification on that. Yeah. And maybe that'll happen in the future. Maybe she'll get sick and go to the doctor and use the Blue Cross Blue Shield. And so I'll get a notification. So, I mean, it's... Anyhow, be skeptical of everything, including me. Well, that's why the whole thing you told me about...
On, like, Tuesday, that whole thing, I was skeptical about, so, because that didn't make any sense. So, I mean, like, if she's alive, how do you think she's affording to live? Well, the only way I can think of that she could is that she, my first thought is she has a friend. Other than that, I wouldn't think it'd work out, but I don't know, maybe she's got a job somewhere, I don't know.
I don't think this is the first time that this has happened to her. When was the first time? But that's a story for discussion to have sometime in the future. Also, they haven't found any job records of her. Yeah, I know. And she didn't, did she active on any of your bank accounts? Nothing that I've seen so far, no. She's got a friend that's supporting her for the moment.
I don't know. I still don't believe that about her, really. Yeah, I'd say for me it's probably 50-50. So we'll see what happens. Did she fake her death? I think not so much fake her death as much as pulled a scam on me to make me feel bad, get back at me, whatever. Why?
Because she was unhappy with me, that's why. Why was she unhappy with me? I haven't got a clue. Similar to the times when she'd take my work telephone and throw it out in the backyard. And one day I'd go looking for my phone for work and couldn't find it. And then I'd find it in the backyard. Was mom unhappy with me because of her mental issues? I think she was unhappy with...
life because of her mental issues and it was kind of compounding and she didn't think as often was the case she didn't think that it was her that had a problem but everybody else yeah I mean I remember that yeah also she like she knew she had the problem on the inside and she's told me that before she did yeah she did yeah she told me like
I'm getting sick. Like, there's something wrong with me. Like, she told me that last year. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. She knew herself that there was something off with her. Well, how are you doing? I'm okay. I just... I just want to figure out what actually happens. That's all. Yeah, well, it may take a while before we know that. I know. That's why I keep asking you questions if it jogs your memory of anything.
Or you might know everything that happened and you just don't want to tell me. I don't know. No, I don't know everything. If I knew everything, I'd tell everybody. I don't know. When did Mom start going out with this secret friend? Because she never left when I was a senior in high school. Oh, no. Things were difficult when you were a senior in high school, but you were still home and she was still kind of in control.
Knowing that you were going to go off to college was getting difficult. And then when you went off for study abroad, that was, I think, a really big thing. I think those were the two big things, that you were going to go off. And she knew I was going to retire, but I don't know how much that was going to affect her in the future. I don't know if that was something that she was thinking about or...
or not. She never really said much or made much indication one way or another that it was good or bad. I don't know. I don't know if that really worried her or not. Did you say anything to her at the end that blew her off also? No, other than if she didn't get some medical checkup herself, I was going to have somebody do a medical check and that may have
motivated her or changed her or triggered her or something did she ever did she ever hint that she'd want to leave or escape or run away no the only thing i could see is that she wanted to have you go away and she wanted to have me go away but she was going to stay so i offered that uh she goes to your sister for a little while or
She'd go see her mom for a little while. So I threw those at her, but she wasn't interested in those. If she was going to take you and her and I was going along to China, then I was going to stay in Beijing and you and her only were going to the house to see your mom. Do you think she was in China or is in China? Do you think she is in China, like ran away or wanted to run away to China?
I haven't got a clue. I don't know. I hadn't really thought that was a possibility, but it might be, yeah. It's her. She did have a passport, right? No. I tried to get her one because you had one and I had one, and I thought, well, if she had one, we could travel. So I tried to get her one, but she didn't want one. It's kind of like a driver's license. She didn't want a driver's license. I'm never going to drive again. So that took a while to...
I don't know where her friend came from. But all of those were of me. Like, all the pictures and videos and stuff, they were all of me. She'd watch those because she missed me. Right.
But she was able, she still had contact that way. And of course she had contact with people who came into the neighborhood. I don't know. And I don't know whether she went to the store or someplace else during the day because she had the car and she could drive. And she was gone and I was gone for hours and hours. So I don't know. Where do you think she is? Or like what do you think happened?
I think she met someone and at least at this point I think she met someone and she gone off and um she must have her ear phone number getting up maybe is she like remarried or anything oh no I don't know about that do you still want to find her I would like to have somebody contact her whether it's one of us or somebody else to know that she's she's okay um
After this, the conversation steers back to what Jeff is doing for the night, and Ellie expresses concern over him driving in the rain and snow.
I think one of the hardest things about listening to these calls is that you can very clearly hear Ellie trying to do her best to fight for answers for her mom, while still legitimately trying to maintain a relationship with her father and be as respectful as she can. But in the last two calls Ellie records with her dad, there is a definite shift in Ellie's demeanor.
For lack of a better phrase, she seems downright fed up with the answer she's getting from him. Now, I was really trying to fit all of this into two parts for the sake of time. But with so much real audio available to us, I wanted to lay out as much as possible in hopes of making sense of what really happened here so that we can find Angela Green.
But with that being said, in the third and final part to this series, you will hear clips from the last two calls between Ellie and her dad. And you will hear directly from Ellie herself about how she is doing and how we can help. Here is a sneak peek of the third and final installment of the story of Angela Green. Next time on Voices for Justice. Has your story about mom changed anymore? I've respected a liar.
So hopefully it's time that you respect me because I've had absolutely enough. I would give literally anything to have her for another day or another hour or another minute.
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