Trash Bags Full of Cash with Mrs. Kasha Davis
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Well, well, this is the bald and the beautiful. And we finally have somebody qualified on both accounts. A double threat. She's an internationally known housewife. She's a champion of mental health, comedy, and sobriety. She's also an incredible actress.

Reader of literature to the child, the child folk, children. She has one of the most beautiful natural eye colors I've ever seen. And an incredibly stunning disposition that lays men, lays waste to men near and far. And she once told me my feet smelled. And I'll never forget it. What?

We were backstage at the season seven premiere and you were doing some kind of yoga. You know that thing where you do the arm stand and then your legs scissor and then they rotate? I tried it and I had my shoes off and I said, I think my feet kind of smell and Kasia was sitting across the room and she went, they do. They do. They do.

Truth teller. It was at that moment I knew Kasha would never lie to me or let me down. Ladies and gentlemen, Mrs. Kasha Davis. Oh my God. I know you boys. I feel like I was with two little nephews or something.

I love that you can, this storyline, I'm like literally three years younger than you, Kasia. I know, but let's face the facts. You might be three years younger, but you have a little bit more of a younger aesthetic and a following. Oh, yes. She's dressing outside her age bracket, absolutely. Those filters you're doing with the old age, that, now we look alike. Well, I have to tell you, I love that because you know what happens? Um,

You know, my skin is... Horrible. I mean, you know what? I don't think your skin is that bad. No, no, it's all relative. It's all relative. The problem is, Kasha, I know you're a beauty potion skincare girl, right? You take care of your face. Look at that material. Of course she does. Yeah, I mean, look at this. I mean, I'm bleached out with lights. There's no... I use witch hazel. But didn't we talk about once that you had acne? You were a very oil-prone acne young person, right?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I had, but my parents taught me to just pop those zits. I mean, put alcohol on it. And I mean to say that your skin, I mean, you have the skin of a very young person, I think. Yeah. At least from this screen, it looks beautiful. From this iPad, poorly lit thousands of miles away on my Wi-Fi. Stunning. It's even and smooth and I don't see a blemish, a wrinkle or a pore. Well, this is Botox just recently. Oh, yeah. How do you feel about it?

I love Botox for the forehead. I did it once for the lip to try to get that little thing going on there. Did it work?

It did nothing. Okay. All right. And Darian gets her lips like, she's like, like plumped up lips. And I just think I would look, you know, I'm already not the most feminine fella. Well, Darian's allergic to nuts, but she loves that pecan pie and she just won't stop. So that mouth just swells up every time. Yeah. I mean, she, she is into it.

Yeah. I love Botox too. I've recently, I got it. I got the full, and I always tell them, I'm like, listen, I have a metabol, I have the metabolism of a velociraptor. You need to, you need to, whatever you think is the limit, double it. Well, I don't know. Go ahead. They, they all, and always there's one teeny little area, usually above one eye that they miss or that doesn't take or whatever, choose it up. And I, so I have, you can see here. Oh yeah. Yeah.

I'm trying to raise my eyebrows. Kasia, if you could see it, she looks suspicious. Yeah. She is horrible. Which I can't do that. I can't like isolate those eyebrows normally. So I guess that's a fun thing. But yeah, so that's always with the Botox. I have to go for a touch up. I always go for a touch up. And then if you, I don't know if you can see, but there's like a line here. I get the droop, they call it. The droop. So this part of my forehead, it goes. Really? And so I have to be careful not to get too much because then all of a sudden these lids will get heavier. Oh.

Now, would you be, I've been, so my studio mate is obsessed with plastic surgery. So I'm kind of like, I'm learning all these new techniques and stuff. And I've learned about this thread. Yes. It's a barbed thread that they take a cannula. Is that what it's called? A hollow needle or something? A Kenya Michaels. Kenya Michaels.

A tiny little dancing needle. A Kenja Michaels. And it goes in and the barbs kind of catch on the muscle, right? And they pull it. And it stays in there. And it dissolves eventually, I think. Like implanted face tapes, basically? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just feel like it's like those, you know, bungee wraps. Or what are those things called? Those plastic things that...

Oh, zip ties. Zip ties? Like a zip tie with like razors or something. Yeah, it's the barbs on it. That kind of, yeah. So wait a minute. Is this ignorant? Can bald people get facelifts? Because where do you hide the seam? If you don't have hair. Under your lace front wig. Yeah, there you go. Is it behind the ear? If you get like a male bottom yank, can you hide it behind the ear? Well, let's ask RuPaul. I was just going to say, Ru's got to know. I think she got a full yank.

Yeah. And she really lucks out because the deeper skin you have, the more chance you have to have some kind of unwanted scarring because skin with melt, like melanated skin can like scar more unappealingly differently versus like really fair people. It's just going to be a scar. Yeah.

I think that it's here and then it's like back behind your ear. I think it's behind the ears too. Yeah. Because I remember, not to gossip, but I mean, I remember when she was doing all those like scarves and stuff on late night, I was like, oh, she got a yank. She got a full yank. There's like, that's it. That's absolutely, that has to be. That's just a gossip point of view. I don't know. I'm ready for the full bottom yank. The bottom yank? No, the bottom half of the face yank.

I think about it all the time. I do this. I've done this since my 20s. I'm always like. Tell us about it. No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. I always push my face up. Like I'm obsessed with that whole thing. Well, that's. I don't think. Those are the threads. That's the threads. I know, but I think that you can tape and I think that you could just highlight and it's fine. You can also just practice acceptance. Hashtag grateful. Have you done the tapes, Kasia?

No, I mean, no, because I sweat too much. Thank you. Not a chance. And I sweat. Not a chance. And it's going to fall off. You'd be stroking out four verses into the song. You'd have to do so much and you'd have to go around. You'd have to do the whole wrap the head and then a wig cap and then the, do you know what I mean? It's like so much going on there. Well, I like to use, I use this shit, this like,

um medical like adhesive like wrap oh yeah yeah okay you know and you've got oh and you put yeah you put yeah okay i got it you kind of wrap and wrap and then i get that jasmine master's brain looking thing on the brain yeah oh the

Oh, the little brain. The brain wrinkle. And sort of the forceful wrapping just snatches it up. Ladies, do you like good juicy brains? Yeah. Get yourself a head wrap. Get yourself a head wrap. I mean, I wear so much makeup, they don't really see it. But out of drag, honestly, if we're going to be honest, I know most drag queens are like, well, I have to get the work done because I'm a drag queen. I don't care about how it affects my drag. I agree. Yeah, I don't think it's... Because the drag is just slapping... You can...

hide anything. And we all have, I mean, even Kasia has a, you wear a lot of makeup. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I mean, I think I do a lot of like foundation and like the contour and all that kind of stuff. And your eyes are huge. You have huge eyes, giant lashes, big, you know, you do the whole thing. Yeah. Right.

She's a lady still, but... So there's a lot of forgiveness, I feel like, if we're talking about wrinkles. Blemishes are age-defining marks. Yeah. Right. But I agree with you. During the day, it's all about... I'd be like, oh God, that's when I would start to feel like... In a smart cop show, I guess you picked a character that can age pretty gracefully because she's meant to be married and settled and she's not the internationally known...

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you this. Mr. Davis always says, he's like, oh my gosh, I like it when you try to be sexy. Or like, because I have, you know, tell us about it. Grandma wigs and stuff all the time. And that's what I love. Or the glasses. And because, you know, Kasha's eternally 50. And then like, I'll get out of drag and people are like, oh, you look really good. I'm like, because I, you know, Kasha's older. Right. But so...

So Steven or like Darren, they'll be like, oh, I like it when you do the soft. Like I'll get over too many compliments when I try to look younger. Yeah. Your husband's like, I like it. Yeah, it's okay. Does Mr. Davis like you in drag?

No. Not sexually? No. I mean, we've never even kissed. Like, we do our little life with the Davises thing and we'll do like a little peck and I'm like, oh my God, he kissed. He's just like, meh. You know, it's not his thing. He's always been very accepting of it. He's never been like uninterested in like, you know, dating.

dating someone who is in drag or whatever, but he's just not going to like, you know, put on your panties, Mrs. Davis. Let's get busy. I can't get hard unless the wig is on. Put on your 50 year old panties. Have you ever, have you ever thought about having sex in drag? I don't know why that's funny. I don't know why that's funny. It's just the way that you ask the question. Have you ever thought about it? No, I never thought about it in my twenties and only maybe the last two years have I been like,

I don't know if I want to do it. Have you ever thought about doing it? Absolutely not. Not for me. It's, and I, I have no problem with, you know, that, that do you do you do you, but it's just not, there's too much, too much stuff in the way that, yeah, I was just going to say, that's usually, it's a lot of like, you think about sex, you think about being naked, right?

I mean, sometimes traditionally, let's say. Yeah. Well, but let's be honest. I don't know about you fellas, but for me, I mean, I don't get a lot of like, you know, uh, nudity nudity pictures over my socials. And after being on, but,

By the way, that's her modestly asking the world, send Mrs. Kasha Davis a little bit. She's consenting to the news, folks. Yeah. No, but like nobody was ever, my point is nobody was ever interested in Mrs. Kasha Davis that way. And now like since Drag Race, people will send stuff and I'm like, Mr. Davis, look what we got for tonight. You know? And it's always like an 18 year old from Argentina. Oh God. It's never like a fit.

A fit man your age in the area. Right. No, never. Yeah. Always somebody in Germany. Have you ever been sent marriage forms?

What do you mean marriage forms? I got like, I'm looking to come to the country and I could be an amazing husband for you. And like, it was like the first documents to like a marriage certificate to start filling out. Let's start the paperwork. That's kind of incredible. That is, you know, somebody who's going to close the deal. Yeah. Marriage fraud. I was about 23 at the time, so I don't think that's on the horizon for me anymore. How long have you been married, Mrs. Davis?

Well, we're 18 years, we say. Because so much of it wasn't legal. We say 18 years, but it's only been four months. Oh, right, right, right. Oh, that's right. Gay people. Well, yeah. I mean, I feel like since we got together, we were in it to win it. Right. We say 18 years.

married, you know, 10 legal, eight happy. Yeah. That kind of a thing. Because it gets tougher when you get older, you know, and when you have a more tenured relationship. You got to spice shit up. Yeah. Maybe throw the wig on. I don't know. It changes, right? I mean, the relationship changes, I'm assuming. Oh, here we go. Yeah, the wig. Thank God. Oh, work. Oh, my God. So we had a wig like that back in the wig shop. That was called Opus.

Opus Winfrey. Opus in that color number two. A 2B. You got an Opus and 2B? That's my good old Judy Garland wig that I've had since like, yeah, forever. So, okay, speaking of like, this is called the bald and beautiful. We often talk about beauty influences and style and stuff like that. We try to. So, Judy Garland, who would you say your like top three beauty icons are?

Oh, well, Joan Collins, you know, the 1980s dynasty kind of thing. Oh, I can't believe that is so you now that you mention it. Yeah, you know, but then definitely like Joan Worley, Lucille Ball. I don't know who Joan Worley is. Who's Joan Worley? Yes, you do. Nina West did Joan Worley as a part of, she's a comedian and she was on Laugh-In. She goes, whoo!

And she swings the pearls around her neck. She is a kooky 1960s comedian. Okay. I'm going to look her eye. I'm worried about you getting dragged in the comments. You know what? The 18-year-olds who listen to us are going to be like, I don't fucking know it either. If it's not Billie Eilish, I don't fucking care.

Yeah, they definitely don't know who that is. Well, you know, when you're like a 21-year-old drag queen, you only know what you know. And then I think the longer you do drag, you go back deeper. You learn about the Joanne Worley's later. Yeah, well, and it's like the dress you just wore with the, you know...

For your new single, Trixie, with the crossword. The crossword, yeah. So she had that, like the mod kind of stuff. Oh, cool. I'm going to look this whore up. Yeah, you better look her up. Laugh at it. You'll totally hate her. But I mean, you'll probably gravitate more to the Goldie Hawn of that time. Oh my God, I have an entire folder on my phone saved of...

Goldie Hawn from hullabaloo just so fucking hot dude so great so beautiful on the outfits and the hair I mean she makes me want to wear that short vanity wig that new one that like 60s little posh the touch and go bus driver yeah it's like the little uh it's like a twiggy wig yeah yeah well and speaking of like you know Botox and plastic surgery Pandora box is working to get to look like Goldie Hawn's face these days

She's really... Yeah, Pandora's, but she's like in her 60s now, right? No, actually, isn't Pandora like... She's in her 50s, right? She's deceptively... Is that horrible? Yes, it is. I think she is in her 50s. It's probably on Wikipedia, but I will say... Kasia's just letting us hypothesize. She probably knows. The one thing I will say about Pandora is that for a white person, you know that older white folks often look like whodunit.

But she in, in and out of drag. I was like, when I found out how old she was, I was like, you have got to be kidding me. Pam from True Blood. She looks incredible. I mean, in great. She's, she's, she's 49. Holy shit. See, I wasn't that wild. Holy shit. That's crazy. She looks incredible. She's,

She and Darian are 49, and then I turned 50 in March. Wow. I'm the first one to be 50. Oh, my God. Wow. So you guys are all – that's so cute, the trio. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Wow. You guys, I mean, wow. Same age, same town. That's really special. Same mental problems. When I came to Rochester in 99, they were up on stage, and I was just pissing my pants drunk in the audience, having a good time, enjoying the show. Okay.

But no, no, no, no desire to do drag. When I first saw them, I just liked the show. It was great. You know, Darian was up there in a little Wonder Woman costume dancing her butt off. And Pandora was doing, you know, crazy mixes. And it was so much fun. But yeah, so then eventually then I got to join that group, which was incredible. And how old were you? So a late start. How old were you when you started doing drag?

Mm, 2004. So what's the math? I don't know. 30 something. Wow. That's a really late start. I mean, I say I have a late start and I think I started at 25 or something.

Yeah. These kids are doing it at 14, 12, whatever. Oh, people are like, I'm skipping college to be a drag queen because it's a get rich quick scheme. Goodbye. Oh, I know. Yeah, seriously. For some, for some, it's a great, you know. Isn't that wild? Don't you think? I mean, because you know as well as we do, it's like, I mean, I never expected to get rich in drag or ever expect to be cool. I thought I was rich in drag when I would be able to go home with like $100. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Girl, do you remember, Trixie? I don't know if you remember, but I thought it was the most adorable thing. I remember everything, Kasia Davis.

Well, we were in San Francisco and your suitcase was full of cash and you're like, oh, yeah, I just check it like that. And then you had a trash bag with merch that was ripped and some of your cash was falling out of that. And then you had a fanny pack that had a hole in it. And I was like, oh, the fanny pack with a hole in it. This wasn't even that long ago. This is after I'd done television. A trash bag full of merchandise with a fanny pack with a hole in it with money falling off.

And I was like, but I was like, Trixie, come on. And I was like, you have to at least iron, like, you know, fold those dollars out. You're like, no, it's fine. You guys, I just, I just came from, I just was so trash through college and everything. Like, I remember coming home after it, when I was touring the first, you know, during season seven touring, I would come home with,

a paper bag like a grocery bag rolled up and it was like my bank now it's full of money and if we're going out I would have a paper sandwich bag full of just cash and I just pull it out at the bar and like and people were like you need to stop that you know who stopped it Coco Peru she watched me open a suitcase one day and money came out crumpled and she goes are you freaking kidding me and she like shamed me out of it that's incredible good but you

But your book Thursday through Sunday, lip syncing and you're drinking, you're not going to stay up at 2 a.m. One, two. I did. You did? Yeah. Oh, because you had to dry out the costumes. Yeah, they all had to. I had to dry out the money. And like I had to lay everything out. The bills would be soaked.

Right. With sweat. So like I had to also, I had to put out my panties and my undergarments and my tights and then the cash had to dry and then it would become crispy. Well, I didn't have to stay up that late because I only had to count like 10 or $20. So it's like, what?

She's all done. No, but I was like, it was the most adorable thing. And I was so I have to tell you, Trixie, I get to do, you know, interviews as we all do. And I always say right from the get go when we would have our little conference calls or stuff like that, you were always like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. This business plan. This is my merch. And I was just always so impressed with that.

Thank you. And she did it. And you're still doing it. I am the capitalist. Even though sometimes I want to kick you right in the crotch. I'm like, good for you. I just always feel like if you build it, they will come. Everybody should believe in themselves. Every idea is a good idea. That's not true. That is absolutely not true. That is not true. I think what people should believe in themselves. Or yeah, I think that what can be, what is inspiring about her is that she says she has a plan and then she does it.

It doesn't matter if it works or not. It usually works, but you do it. Well, Kasha, we would be texting and you'd say to me, like, so what's your plan for merch? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm having a Chardonnay. Like, I just couldn't believe it, you know? And I would get off the phone and I'd be like, Steve, she's planning merch. And he's like, well, let's see what happens. Now, he knew damn well I didn't go far. So he was like, we don't need to worry about merch. But it was very inspiring. I know.

I just always think like with, I don't know, merchandise. I mean, I used to print and ship my own merchandise. I can't even. Which was crazy. All through season seven. I can't even imagine. I would maybe, I would come home, you know, we tour bars on the weekends. I'd be at home on a Monday, listening to podcasts, stuffing people's shirts and bags. Oh my God. For a year, like a year and a half probably. Oh my God, I can't imagine. It was crazy. And you did tell me on the set like,

If I'm still doing drag at your age, kill me. Oh, yeah. When do I get the gun? I'm ticking off the days until I can. Well, I will say, you know, you guys didn't do drag as young as me, but I remember being 21 doing drag and going like 30-year-old drag queen. What is that? I thought 30 was like depressing and now I'm 38. So...

Right. You keep thinking when you're young, you think like, I'm not gonna do this forever. And then 10 or I've been doing it 13 years. And now I'm like, well, I know drag queens who are 60 doing a great job. So yeah. The only thing I think is depressing about it. Aging quote unquote drag queen is if it's not fun. Like that's the only thing that's depressing. Like a drag queen who doesn't want to do drag doing drag at 60 is it's like a David Lynch movie. You know, it's bizarre. Yeah. It also depends on your aesthetic. Like,

I mean, Kasha, I think you're smart to pick something you could age with and into. Cause wasn't Kasha older than you when you started? Did what? Kasha's older than you. Like the character. You're just now becoming her age.

Exactly. She was always 50, so I'm just catching up. Yeah, yeah. 50 years old. Yeah, you're set in terms of age because you'll never really meet her. Yeah. And you chose a character that's like an aged grizzled hooker. Well, no, I think the only thing I chose a character that's not consistently sexy.

And that's important, though, because now I'm doing it digitally, but I like to explore being ugly because then it just refreshes people. You're like, oh, okay.

Oh, yeah. You can't give them a hot all the time. You can't give them a hot all the time. Yeah. No. But that face app you mentioned earlier, it is for me personally, I love it so much. And then I'll read, I'll take the old picture and then I'll put it back in the program, make it older and then so on and so forth. And then the baby. Yes. And then you're throwing a baby. And then, but then when you do a regular picture, you're like,

I'm gorgeous. I look great. Yeah. But really comes back down to what you said. You're having fun, you know, and you're trying different things. And each of you have done that. And I think that, you know, I work to try to do those types of things to keep myself interested. And that's what people like, you know, who Aggie Dune is, at least Trixie does. She's 70 years old.

She's 70 or 80. No, but you know what I mean? She's always like, you know, you've got to get on the microphone. You've got to do other things besides, you know, only lip sync because you want to keep yourself interested so that the world sees you're having fun. Yeah. Challenge. I like her. I feel like I like her a lot, Aggie. Yeah. You know what? She gave me a teasing brush that I still have and still use. That's really sweet.

I wonder if she knows that. She was like, kind of like that. Yeah, she's like, we have them at the salon. Keep mine. And I was like, thank you. It was probably turquoise. Turquoise. She loves all her turquoise stuff. She does hair. Darian does hair too, right? They both do hair? Yeah, she owns the salon where Darian works. Oh, cool. Bunch of fags clipping hairs. I know. Just drag fags. We're going to take a break. We'll be right back.

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And we're back with Kasia Davis. Kasia, can I ask, what kind of outfit and drag, what do you feel the most sexy in? Oh, a housewife dress. A housewife dress, really? Yeah.

Those little Tina Turner dresses with the sequins. Oh yeah. The little, the shimmy leg, a leg and fucking jacked arms. You fucking bull dagger. Oh my God. I'm back to working out. I did. I started back with a trainer cause I'm like, you know what? Why the hell not? You know, I want to turn 50 and be like this. These arms are great. The gut will always be what it is. Um,

You know, at this point, I'm like, I have been trying sit-ups for years. And I can't even get one ab going. So I'm like, it's just going to be what it is. You got corsets for that. That's the hard. I think that's the hardest thing. Like, abs? Like, yeah. And drag, when you're a man, when you're male, born male, you gain weight in the middle really only. Yeah. And so then it's like, it's tough in the face. Yeah.

But I also think like when I first started drag, it was all about like hide your arms. I used to wear like that shrugs and like don't let anybody see. But I'm so excited how more and more now people are like, you know, you know, hairy drag, arms out, whatever. And it's like there's it's just whatever whatever you want to do to express yourself. I just love that. So, you know, she's building her arms back up. Great.

Yeah, and I like it when... I love how it can be very polarizing certain aspects of the gender play and how heated and impassioned people get about it. It's like anger. I love that. People like, you know, I don't know, anything from like beards or whatever, people get really up in arms about it. I think that's fun. I think showing arms is...

Whenever there's correct proportions, you can show anything. Yeah. And I never care when I see other drag queens' arms, but I don't feel comfortable showing my own very much. Unless they're slathered in makeup and I have a huge wig on. Well...

Seriously, like, when I see, like, Kasia showing arms, it doesn't bother... I don't think twice about it, but when I'm in drag and look in the mirror and see arms, I'm like, oh, I don't know. I need to cover, you know. Well, yeah, because that doesn't go with your, like, extra small petite French vanilla fantasy. Yeah. And if I do show arms, full coverage foundation to the armpit. And contoured. And contoured. Contoured arms. Why? The skin or...

I just want it all to match. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, makeup, if it shows, it goes with makeup. Like, I paint the hands, the ears. If it shows, it goes. The back of the neck. Wow. I mean, I wish I had taken her advice like,

from the jump because I recently saw a clip of me and I was featuring at least four very distinct shades of skin like that ranging from yellow ochre cherry tomato to cherry tomato to like raw sienna and then a corpse gray which interview was it um it was a was it the exposed interview yes yes

Yes. Yes. And I had no assistant that day and I was like running late and I'm like, oh, I really did wear those fishnets. I wore those tights with no fishnets and my hands looked like the Crypt Keeper. Yeah. The Crypt Keeper. And the foundation, I think it also has to do with the color balancing. Of course. The foundation really picked up the yellow. So her face is yellow. Her neck is red. Red. Her hand is gray and her legs are like a black tight. No, brown. They were like, it was pantyhose, you know, but with no fishnets. Okay.

I mean, listen, you just taught me something, but most of my filming is done on my iPhone in the basement. So I don't have to worry. You know what I mean? Like it's, you know, we're just doing this. But that's smart. But I think that is, I have noticed in photos, I'm like, wow, those legs, my, you know, my leg color might not match.

So I see what you mean. It's hard to do. That's why a solid, opaque color tight is a really good choice. Especially drag queens. We're wearing multiple layers of light suntan. There's no way your face is going to match that because you're not Bart Simpson or something. That's why a black fishnet is kind of like you have to do it always. Did you ever get those shimmer tights to go underneath and try that? The Lady Bunny tights.

Yeah. Do you guys like them? Personally, I have never been able to make them work. I can't make them work. So they seem to take away the definition on the muscles in your legs. I don't know what happens where like a regular tight will still show your leg. But then when I put those on, I'm like, what the heck?

There's no definition. Like something changes. It's bizarre for me that my, my, I feel like I agree. Like for somehow it appears that the muscle definition is gone. And also they look at the same time fat and too skinny. It's so bizarre. They're like, it's weird. The shimmery ones also don't stretch as much.

So like an extra large in this shimmery, you need a 2X. Yeah. They always end up looking a little gray on me. So it's like I have little like wet gray chicken legs. I don't know if people know what we're talking about. Think of like Lady Bunny's legs. Shimmery brown. Yeah. It's a shimmer. I don't know. Lady Bunny's legs are the color of Peppermint's boobs. Yes. Yes. Just gold, bronze, shiny. Peppermint calls them her golden globes. Yeah.

It was her birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Peppa. Oh, happy birthday, Peppa. Happy birthday. She's also 50. Yeah. So what have you been up to, Gal? What have I been up to? Well, you know, you said it earlier on. I love my story time, and I'm working on –

we got some sizzle reels and some pitches out to you know streaming platforms to try to get that kids show going is the dream of mine oh my gosh so it's it's like you know imagine peewee's playhouse slash you know the campiness of peewee and the honesty of mr rogers oh that's great so you know that is something that fingers crossed but then workhorse queen is a documentary that was done

um over the past couple years by angela washko and that is premiering at slam dance film festival february 12th through 25th oh shit they're in la yeah wow have you been to a film festival i've been to a film festival yeah they i've never really been to one until semi recently and they don't sound exciting but they are when you get there it's really cool

Well, I mean, this is obviously because of COVID. It's streaming online. But yeah, that's it's I think they're fantastic. And, you know, people are just, you know, it's new artists a lot of times, which I think is really cool to be able to see the opportunities that they're, you know, putting out there and

And I mean, I'm just, I'm so humbled and flattered that she decided to tell the story. And there's some shit in that documentary that, you know, like even my husband says that floored me. So I, you know, watching it, I know it's me, but I was laughing and crying and,

uh i'm really excited that it's that it's out because i remember when i first started i was doing my my show there's always time for a cocktail which tells my story i was so anxious to tell my story and mimi i'm first was like girl nobody knows you they don't want to know your life story why don't you just lip sync a song first maybe i'm first keeping it real maybe i'm first keeping it so real but she was right you know

She's like, nobody knows who the hell you are. So she was right. And so now time has gone on and I'm excited about it. It obviously talks about sobriety. Do you feel weird watching people – do you think it's going to be weird having people watch you talk about that? Well, the whole thing is weird. I feel like, number one, I'm turning 50. Number two, here's the story of my life and all the people that have died. I feel like it's the movie that's playing as we're all sitting around at my funeral. Oh, my God.

I love it already. Did they have cameras following you around? What was the process like? For a couple years. So at the time, I was going to Australia. I was drag cons. So she had followed me everywhere. That's a commitment and a labor of love. Did you ever feel like, did you ever have any moments where you were like, get that fucking camera away from me or you felt too exposed or raw or whatever? Yeah. I mean, it was definitely like, there were a couple times at drag con where

And she shows it. I tried to do a story time at DragCon and I think five people came to the seminar or whatever you call it. And I was like, ugh. Maybe you shouldn't have called the kids show a seminar. What is it called? Maybe they thought you were trying to hustle timeshares. I know, right? What is it called? There's a children's seminar. Come children to the seminar. There's a PowerPoint. We've got great property in Boca. Yeah.

I can't think of what they're called. Oh, like a panel? Panel. Panel. The panel. Thanks. So yeah, nobody was at it. I was like, wow, this is great. But that's the good part about the story is it shows no matter what age you are, you can have dreams and you can keep following them. And that makes me happy that that message is out there. Tempest Azure taught us that. And I always think of her since she passed. Yeah.

Girl, everything in her house passes. I'm just kidding. Tempest is alive if everyone's listening. It's just a joke. It's just a joke. But you cracked me up that day.

that day when you said something does anything in your house any animal in your house live I people were so mad people were like it's a sensitive time how dare you I'm like girl because I know her like that yeah I know Tempest D'Jor was standing over the dead animal's body trying to find something to laugh about I mean that's her vibe yeah she has all these rescues yeah and she's like woke up today the penguin killed the tarantulas and I'm like what yeah it's crazy

She's got a pretty dirty sense of humor and a funny sense of humor too. Oh, she's rotten. She is rotten. And you want to talk somebody who doesn't age? Tempest DuJour is running the streets of West Hollywood in drag with like six porn actors blackout drunk. I know. She's like, girl, why aren't you out? I'm like, it's Monday. It's 1 p.m. I know.

She, when we were, when we did our season seven tour, we were in Vegas. And I think at that point we had lost candy in new Orleans. We got to Vegas. I mean, she, she never made it. We got to Vegas. Congenital heart failure.

I went to like the nickel slots all night and Trixie was, what's her name? Tempest was like, I'm going to bed and I'm at the nickel slots. I'm like, I'm having a good time. Yeah. So she comes in the morning to get me and she's like, we're not going to be candy. We're not going to miss this. I am passed out drunk in drag on the bed. She's like, get dressed. I was like, she came in like mama bear. Wow. And,

Yeah, and it was get on that plane. Then we got on the plane. Wait, wait, wait. You were passed out in drag in the morning? Yes, because I went to play the nickel slots in drag. So you're in bed in drag sleeping. And Tempest Azure has to get you on the plane. Holy shit. I feel like that's a jackpot. Yeah, right? I won. I won. And then I got on the plane. And then guess who's playing footsie with me? Lady Bunny.

Who's playing footsie with you? She's playing footsie with me. And she's like, hey, Kasha. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. Oh, no. I know. I was like. Jeff Daniels, no. Oh, my God. And then you're hungover. And that made you wretch right there on the plane. That I need to see that in the documentary. Kasha, I got to tell you, I'm sure you don't miss the hangovers.

Oh, God. I think I spent like 10 years hungover. I mean, yeah. I think of like when I was doing clubs, like, you know, when you first do Drag Race, we were all doing the nightclubs. And when you're doing nightclubs, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, every morning you're hungover and you're like, what am I doing? How do you do that? Because every night is quiet. Do you feel like physically sick? How would you describe a hangover, Kasia? Yeah.

I mean, for me, it was definitely like headache. I was never one who like retched or puked all the time. I would just be like dehydrated, essentially. But is it that like hair of the dog thing that you kind of get over it by drinking more? They say that? It's not true. I've never found that to be true. Okay. No, you're basically just getting drunk again. Okay.

Yeah. Hair of the dog. And the dog is Jim Bean. Yeah. You're just getting drunk again. To me, a hangover is like, it's worst. It's the worst right when you wake up.

And it just feels like your body's got cement bricks on it in bed. And you're like, and then you're so dehydrated that like your eyes hurt to open. Oh God. It hurts to hear noise and see light. It's just everything. Wow. Sign me up. That sounds like you.

You were working on trying to get sober the next morning. I was like, well, give me an hour with breakfast and then I'll have another shot of something on the sly. I know your book. There's always time for a cocktail until there is. Right. Until that clock runs out. My God. Anti aging miracle is just don't drink. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it is. Drink water. Lots of water.

Well, it's amazing how many performers in general, not just drag queens, but performers in general who are sober. It's a tough lifestyle. I feel like, yeah, because I feel like in a lot of sectors of this entertainment industry, you're either like an active fucking drunk or you've gotten sober. Seriously, when you're a drag queen and you say you don't want to drink, people assume you're either in the program or nothing else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In order to sustain a drag career 10 years and beyond, you have to change your relationship with alcohol because being 21 and drinking every night because you're at a bar, that's not sustainable. It's just not. No.

And you also think you're more fierce and funnier and, and you believe all of that. And then you look back and you're like, yeah. What was it like? I mean, cause I'll never forget the first time I, I performed not drunk at in drag. And I, it was like, I was, I had a different body. I felt like I was on a cruise ship or something. It was so bizarre to not be drunk in front of an audience doing my wiggle numbers. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Because I felt so self-conscious and it was like, oh God, this is... The song suddenly feels really long too. Long, long and boring. And you know, it's just a whole thing. What was that like for you? I mean, it was definitely a little uncomfortable, but if I think back, I had more experience with theater and dance. So it just, I didn't go out on, you know,

on stage for the Nutcracker hammered. But it seems like in drag, that's okay, right? But then what's even, what I loved was doing like hosting or standup. And you know when you can't remember the next word when you're drunk?

you're just, there's a blank. Yeah. But when you get that blank, when you're sober, you're like, okay, it's a blank. So hang on, something's going to come. And then something funnier comes because, you know, you're clearer and you can just like work through those moments. Yeah. But when I was, when I was drunk, I'd be like, well, I'm just leaving the stage now. Cause nothing, you know, nothing else is coming, which was essentially all of my appearance on season seven. Cause it wasn't drunk, but it was Xanax. I had a little Xanax over at my station. What? You are joking.

Yeah. So that's why, I mean, I'm so, I hope someday to be cast on All-Stars. Give me as any bar time. I will be awake, everybody. Wow. Katya, you would be a great All-Stars competitor. No fucking shit. Would you do that shit? I totally would, yeah. Oh, good Bob. Katya wants to do it again, too. I would love to do it again. Well, I mean, yeah.

Alaska said she would do it again. Yeah. Why the hell not? Why not? And then once you take the pressure off, I mean, doing it the first time is stressful. Doing it the second time, Kasha, it's a whole nother ballgame. It's like, who cares? It's fun. It's fun. Yeah. It's like, I would just think of it as like a TV appearance. Oh, I get to do one again tomorrow. Great. If not, show a dress and you know all the drag queens, so it doesn't feel weird. Yeah. Exactly. I don't want to meet any more new queens. No, I want them to die. You know?

Well, remember when we'd be in the confessional or whatever? I'm like, I don't even know. They were like, what did you think of everybody you saw? I'm like, I don't know who they are. Who? 13 other girls? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the only one I knew from before it was Miss Fame. And I was like, you know. We're going to take a break and then we're going to talk about your big bald head. And we're back. Kosh, I have to ask, when did you start shaving your head? I've only ever known you as Shaved Head.

Oh, my gosh. I think it was after my mom died. I think the stress of that was just like the hair went. Really? It just like so much of it fell out. And I had the whole Mr. Burns thing going on, you know. So I have it on the sides and back. And I was trying to grow like these five or six hairs. And our daughters were like, what are you doing? Like.

I first called you again to bully you further. She said, girl, shave your head. You fucking pig. No, our daughters. We'll see. The youngest is 26. This, the other one, uh, oldest is 28. They use, they were the, always the, the worst critics. They would come, we bring them to the shows and they would be like, um, add some of your jokes afterwards. All you hear is cricket, cricket. I was like, Oh my God.

That's incredible, Kasia. I mean – If you want to know how your show is, get the people close to you who do not think you're famous to come to your show. Absolutely. And it gets very clear. Oh, yeah. It was great. I mean they were like – and this is – they're like, who's Judy Garland? Could you do something?

they're like, what about like Katy Perry? Can you do some of this stuff? And so I would try to do the songs they'd want. And then I'd be like, this just doesn't seem right. Like, you know, I'm out there like grandma doing Katy Perry, but you know, they would challenge me to update myself sometimes. And I loved that, but they were the ones, they were like, it's time to shave your head. All my favorite drag Queens are people who can keep an eye on their original influences and keep an eye on what's out there now. Yeah. I think a Chad Michaels is a good example of that. Yeah.

You know, she'll do a 50-year-old song and a song that came out this week. Yeah, she's got one foot in the now, the other foot in the Cretaceous era. Or Dolly Levi. Oh, my God. Dolly Levi. The 11 Dancing Toes of Dolly Levi. She's 112. She's 112. Yeah.

Backstage with Dolly Levi, the stories, they just go on and on. And you're like, please just get me a piece of coconut cake from Hamburger Mary's and I can sit here and listen to you talk all day. I love that. And, you know, when I started in drag, there was no drag race. And so I wanted to be, you know, Varla Jean Merman, Coco Peru, Miss Richfield is my original inspiration. Oh, right. You know, and so those were the stars to me. And, you know...

Going to P-Town, that was like the goal, you know? Yeah. To go there and have a show. And because there was, I mean, yes, there was RuPaul, but that was like unattainable, unheard of. It was drag queens were cabaret performers. Right. Yeah.

And so I'm, those are the people that I'm attracted to. Yeah. I would, Coco was my, like a dream model. Yeah. She did monologues and she was like, I just love the way that she, you know, that was like, I want to do that. Yeah. Right. It's still weird to me that I even like know her now. I know. And she's so wonderful. She's amazing. One of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Yeah.

she's really amazing. I mean, her shows are, it's like a flagrant display of talent. It's like the Ben and Jinx Christmas special. It's a slap in the face of talent. You're like, do we quit? Let's quit.

So, and you've worked with her, I'm sure, as well. She has the full script. Oh, it's memorized to a T. There's no improv. She doesn't even change the commas of the periods at all. Yeah, it's wild. And like the paper's not even dirty. Like mine would have all like coffee stains on it and scribbles and self-doubt. Like that whole paragraph's got to go. No, she's like, this is it. Yeah, she's phenomenal.

You should do a summer in P-Town. It was like the hardest thing I ever did. And it really is like baptism by fire. Because some nights there's 16 people there, rich faggots who will only laugh if it's incredible. Well, I did two. I was there once with Pandora and Darian. I remember that. Yeah. And then I came back the following summer and just did my show at the Parliament House. And one of the best things that's ever happened to me

was to be able to do that show because again as you said there was like five ten people milk was having a show that at that time and tammy and we were all like richfield sold out varla sold out and we have you know five to ten people but one of those people was miss richfield 1981 and she sat through my whole show in drag and she was just sweet and kind and loved it and i was like

She was like, you know, just keep, keep working. And I was like, that was a moment for me. It was like just a wonderful moment to be able to have her there and to, to watch that. Cause I just, I adore what she does. So, yeah. And you know why? I mean, in Provincetown, there's just Cape Cod. If nobody knows the reason those performers have those, obviously they're incredible, but they've also been, Varla has been performing there for 20 years. So he becomes these people's annual tradition. Yeah. And the shows are extremely high quality. Yeah.

But like, if you want to be stripped of your dignity and stripped of any pride or entitlement, go to Provincetown. Yeah. Because even a 20 year veteran with amazing talent, she's still on the fucking street barking like everybody else. Dina Martinez out there hanging on flyers. Yeah. That's yeah. It's, it is not, nobody's a star. Yeah.

They are a star. My first summer, there were 55 shows. I barked 54 of them a year after I did Drag Race. And I barked them all because A, I only sold out four times the first summer. And B, I was like, I know that these older drag queens are going to hate me for being a TV drag queen and coming here and doing this. So I need them to see me barking every day so they're not like, fuck her. But again, I love that. I love that work ethic. And I think that that means something because it is sort of, you know, it's their town. It's what they've...

They've built. And remember the night that I think we saw you, Marilyn May, a cabaret legend. Oh, my God. I went to that. Yes. Look her up, Katya. Her name is Marilyn May. She used to do these old Lincoln Mercury commercials back in the 70s. And then she's still she's like 90 something. And she's still out there doing her cabaret show. Yeah. And who's in her audience? Bob Mackie. Yeah. Yeah.

And Kasia Davis, I was there. She does like, she's like kind of like Ethel Merman, like a character voice singing. It was super good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a couple more questions here. Kasia, take this any way you want. When did you know you were beautiful? I never did know I was beautiful. Honestly, I look back at old photos from when I was a kid. I was like, wow, I look pretty good. Always had image issues with myself.

I've seen pictures that when you post the young pictures, I mean, they're basically accidental thirst traps. You're a very attractive young man. Well, you're very kind. Um,

Yeah, but it's so funny because I look back at that and I used to be like, wow, I used to think I was so fat or I used to think – I grew up in a town where there was no such thing as being feminine or anything like that. So I was just a lot of self-loathing to be honest. Well, it's funny you say the feminine stuff. I was talking to somebody the other day about how –

how common it is for fans of drag race to misuse the term trade in terms and referring to like the male contestants out of drag. And I was like, the only real trade of any season was Mrs. Kasha Davis. What's the real definition? Let the children know. Well, really it's, it's a, it's, it's a, usually, um, like an unclockably, uh, like a straight acting guy who would trade, uh,

Sex for favors or like like an actual straight guy, you know, and I'm usually like um, Kasia did a lot of that on drivers Yeah, like sexual favors Like traditionally, you know, she could pass for a dude and then that's trade. Yeah Sarge mean Sarge Oh Sarge, you know, sorry, of course. Yeah, pepper wintergreen as the children Oh my god wintergreen wintergreen. I suck this shit right out of his asshole. Oh

You're such an icon. I just love you, Kasha. Yeah, thank you, Kasha, so much. I'm so happy we've kept in touch all through the years. I'll tell you what. You know what? I know that I'm annoying and I like to reach out and be like... I am. I am annoying. I know. I reach out to everybody...

And I'm like, how are you? And I hope you're well. And I mean it. You know, like, I'm that Hallmark card texter. You are not. I love that you keep in touch with me. I get texted me all the time. And I'm very grateful. I know. Well, you're sweet. And I know, like, because I'll text Bianca and she's like, oh, bitch, leave me alone. But I know...

You know, I just, I care about people and I know how hard this business is. And I just, I'm always very impressed, you know, with people who work hard and you're both, you know, just, I love it. You're following your dreams and you're going for it. And yes, you may have opportunities, but you just keep on working. And I love that. Well, when the world opens back up and you do like a little LA tour, I hope I can see you. Yeah. Oh yeah. And we're going to go, hopefully we're going to go crash Bianca's place in Palm Springs. Yeah. Oh my God. We all, we all need to go. Yeah. Yeah.

sit in her closet and get all the feathers that are not chicken feathers. All the, all the turbans you can carry. Um, Tasha, where can everybody find you? Oh my gosh. In the suburbs of Rochester, New York, in my basement. No, uh, you know, on the www on Insta snatched water, face place and Tik TOK. I don't understand why these kids are talking to a clock.

Are you on TikTok, Kasha? Are you doing TikTok? I am. I finally have, I think I have 30 some thousand followers and I'm still not a check mark, but I'm working on it. Kasha's on TikTok. I got to check you out. I'm trying to get into it. How do I get a check mark? I want to get a check mark.

Darian got one. I don't know who she paid. I want my check, check. Well, so we can maybe do a TikTok trend thing. I'm always fascinated by those and how to do the worst transitions possible. Yes. So it's at Mrs. Kasha Davis on Twitter, right?

Yep. And then on Instagram and so on and so forth. Oh, here you are, Kasha. This is Kasha Davis. This is Kasha Davis. There she is. Oh, look, you're standing here with some oranges. Wait a minute. Oh, look, she's kicking shoes. Kasha Davis is kicking the shoes. Oh, you better kick a fucking shoe. Yes! Work! Oh, this is great. Come on. You look amazing. Yeah. You know, thanks. Wow. Do you make any of your costumes? Absolutely not. Everything...

I get them all from Davey. You've gotten some things from him. Thatch work. Davey. Oh, yes. He is amazing. Yeah. I love his stuff. And so I get stuff there and then I get Casa Glam wigs and she's good to go. I was telling Katya I get my fingernails at Marshall's for $3.99. Yeah.

Marshalls? Oh yeah. The clearance section, honey. Check it out. I get mine on Amazon. Oh, well, square French tip. Don't be like me. I wear nails sometimes that are shorter than my real nail. I was going to say they're like, so, oh, there you go. Look. Yeah. Dressed to impress. $3.99. That's nice though.

They're irregular because they're all thumbs. Are they better than the... You know it's bad when you have to buy toenails so you can do your own thumbs. I know. That's when it's bad. All right. Bye, Kasia. Thank you, Kasia. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye.