The RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 14 Premiere Extravaganza with Trixie and Katya
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Are you ready to roll the dice? Friday, January 7th, RuPaul's Drag Race is back on VH1. And this season, victory never tasted so sweet. 14 new queens are all game to play, but only one will make it to the end to wear the superstar crown. Who will turn the fiercest looks? Who will make the biggest moves? And who will just spin out? Get ready, because with game-changing judges like Lizzo and Alicia Keys, anything's possible.

And for the biggest treat of all, for the first time in herstory, a one-of-a-kind candy bar could make a queen's wish come true. In this sweet and sour twist, one lucky player might just get the chance to stay instead of sashaying away. Hope you saved some room for dessert. Don't miss the season premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race Friday, January 7th at 8, 7 central, only on VH1.

So today we're talking about RuPaul's Drag Race because the season 14 premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race is January 7th. And today, Kati and I are taking a walk down memory lane and highlighting some of the most iconic moments in drag race history. Yeah.

January 7th, 2022. We were on Drag Race, I think 2016 or 2014. It's hard to remember. It's been a while. It's been a long time. It was honestly possibly 2014, right? Yeah. Because one of them, yeah, I think I did 2014 and 2016 with the All Stars or something like that. It was, yeah, it was wild.

Season 14. I'm life force insecure. Seven. Oh my God. It's a full round of seasons since we did season seven. It does feel that long ago though, doesn't it? It feels even longer. Longer. It feels like longer. I feel like I should be 50. I know I look it. I was a child when I did that show. You were? Yeah. 24 and I've never like left. I never barely left Wisconsin at the time. I mean.

I'd never even seen drag like some of the people had on drag. I was so in over my head and so out of my league. It's not even funny. I know. And I remember thinking, I'm like, I'm going to be realistic about this. Like I need to go on this show thinking that I could be nobody or that could be somebody, but I need to accept all like all scenarios. And I wasn't able to accept the fact that I was like nobody, you know what I mean? I wasn't able to accept that fully. It was a big gag. Well, the audience accepted it. They should.

They really went with it. They believed it. We are on my patio. I love this. Why haven't we been doing this? I don't know. I mean, I hope that the sound is half okay. I know. I feel like it's going to be loud. Will we know? I don't think so. You don't think so? Is there... Well, this is... I mean, we're in the middle of Hollywood. Hollywood. Yeah.

We're here in Hollywood, honey baby. She's right over there. I wish you could see it, but you can't. You can't see it. Yeah, it's the Hollywood sign. I mean, I will say this. It's part of why I bought the place. It made me feel fancy. It is pretty fucking fancy. It reminds me of Hollywood. What's your dream? Pretty woman. Never seen it. Never seen it. Beautiful lady. You've never seen pretty woman? No. There's a lot of stuff I just haven't seen. I also still haven't seen 9 to 5. Never seen Working Girls. No.

There's a lot. You've never seen Mean Girls. I've seen Mean Girls. Brandon Lim, my assistant, has not seen Too Wong Fu, which I'm like, you've heard Brandon talk. He's like gayer than Christmas. I'm like, I am stunned and in floor. Because Brandon talks like a drag queen. No, no, no. I'm back to you. Working girl, nine to five, pretty woman. Beautiful lady. Beautiful.

Attractive female. There's actually, it was a trilogy. It was a pretty woman, regular woman, and then ugly woman. Oh, because she aged. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. We're on the patio today. I think that these are dynamic microphones, which... Yeah. So if you point these at cars, you'll pick up cars. Okay. Hey, Tiffany down there in the Honda Elantra, what do you got to say? Tracy, do you want to make a cameo? I think you should.

Oh, right. That's the T mark. T mark. Tracy Marquez, who I met, Tracy Marquez, our guest today. No, not our guest. I just love you so much. I just look forward to working with you all the time. Mama, you don't need nothing. You don't need nothing. You're pretty woman. We love queer women who have shit going on. You have such a calm energy. How does somebody who has so much responsibility bring chillness to the table?

Life is hard enough already. Just be calm. Yeah. Great attitude. Everything works out in the end. If it's not working out, it's not the end. So we might as well just be. I love that. I did cut you off. I did think you were done. I'm sorry about that. How's it going today? Okay, great. Incredible. Incredible. Wait, I love that. If everything works out in the end, if it hasn't worked out yet, it's not the end.

That's it. That's honey. What you see isn't always the end. Well, we have a great topic today. We have the distinct pleasure of taking a walk down memory lane. I'm actually really proud of us for not talking about drag race that often. Yeah, we, we pretty much, I mean, we, I think we abandoned our beauty podcast a little while ago.

Hey, we're still bald. I'm still bald. And many of our guests have been beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We don't need to stay on theme. Mama, we are the theme. But yeah, we have avoided talking about Drag Race quite a bit, which I think is good too. I think it's good too. Everybody who's watching this or listening to this, because I know when we don't make video for the podcast, people really unhinge. So we're back. But people...

People already have seen us on television. So I don't think we need to sit here and talk about something the audience already knows. Yes. And also, we don't need to add our voices to the din of already many, many, many, many podcast or recap shows and stuff like that. I know. But we'll do it today. We'll do it today. I like talking about Drag Race. I just...

I often feel like I don't have anything left to say about it. Oh, I got plenty to say. I got plenty to say. And if I don't have anything left to say, I'll make it up. Make it up. Yeah. And not to scare anybody who's watching, but the pod is sort of on borrowed time. So if you're enjoying this today, make sure you subscribe and all that because I'm not always going to be there. James Mansfield told me. I love this. Say it again. James Mansfield told me his mom, he said it's a Mexican thing. His mom would be like, go make your bed because I'm not always going to be here to do it for you.

The mom is planting the seed of like, I'm going to die. So you better do this chore. If you don't do the dishes, my dead corpse won't be there. I love that. I love that. That's you telling me to set up for the pod. I was like, yeah, but that one plus one equals two. So what? I don't get it. It doesn't really work on me. All right. So let's see. So the...

RuPaul's Drag Race. All right. A couple, um, fire, uh, firing off some questions for you. What season are we in currently? This is 14. See, I didn't know that. Okay. I'm DJing at the premiere here in Hollywood. Are you really? Yes, I am. Can I get an invite to that? Probably. Okay. Cause I didn't, I'm still a little bit raw about not getting invited to the premiere of We're Here season two. You should go. Should we call Bob? No, no.

Call Bob the Drag Queen. Call Bob the Drag Queen. Okay. I'll handle this. I really don't know what... Mary, what do you have to say for yourself? Hello? Hi, Bob. How are you? Great. How are you? I'm on speakerphone. Oh, you're on speakerphone. Well, you're always on speakerphone, girl. And you know what? Your hands are never doing nothing, but that's another conversation. That's not the case. I'm over here. I'm over here rehearsing with Todrick right now. Hi, Trixie. Hi, Todrick. How are you?

I'm good. We were just watching your video. Oh, excellent. Oh, thank you. Thank you very, very much. Um, where are you? I'm on my patio. Katya and I are recording the bald and the beautiful right now. You're on live. Hello. Oh, hi everyone. Hey, I'm bald and beautiful. Congratulations on mass singer Todrick, by the way, you were so great.

Thank you. I hope you get to be on it one day. That would be the highlight of my life. I can't imagine what you would do. I know. Listen, you can call Todrick on his phone if you want to talk to him. This is a call. Well, I'm calling on behalf of Katya because Katya was never formally invited to the We're Here premiere and we just wanted to ask you about that. Yeah.

Why Kati wasn't invited to the We're Here season two premiere party here in Los Angeles. Yeah. I seem to have been the only drag queen. I don't know. Maybe the reason why I wasn't formally invited to. Well, listen, I seem to be the only drag queen not invited to that party. And I was home alone doing nothing on, I think it was Friday night. And I just watched the pictures come in. I just watched so many pictures. Oh,

Oh, just the feeds and feeds and feeds of pictures? For whatever it's worth to you, we also didn't invite RuPaul. She was also not invited. Okay. Bob's in control of the guest list. That makes me feel a lot better. Bob said, guess who's not here? You. Perfect. You know, they have like some strict thing with their people they're inviting. So a lot of us had to actually invite people from the staff, like the camera crew and stuff. We had to use our invites to invite people who were in the show because of the strict rules.

Yeah. There was two lists. We're here and we're not here. Uh-huh. Yes, I have. James Mansfield. So good.

I was thinking to myself, I feel like there was a role for Trixie and a role for Conti just clearly written into this. Well, those are your words, not ours. Thank you for coming on The Bald and the Beautiful. All right, bye. Bye. I don't know. Listen, as an employee of World of Wonder and a drag race champion and...

I don't know what she's talking about and I won't, I won't go along with it. No, I'm not going to, um, no, thank you. Chaos, confusion, madness, and drama. I'm not going to entertain it. No, and I'm not going to contribute to, I'm not going to add fuel to the fire of insanity. Um, but to, to complete your question, we are on 14, 14 season 14. Um, that is including five or six all-star seasons. Uh, God, six now. Six. So that's 20, uh,

19 seasons. Plus the Hollis Life Spectacular. I think it's about 25 seasons of Drag Race. I bet. Celebrity Drag Race. And then not even international. There is so much Drag Race. But I think it's wonderful. It's wonderful. But you know what? What? Everybody who works there does such a good job. And the show is only good because everyone there makes it good. Yeah. And we are part of that.

I know. We are. I know. We're part of the legacy. The legacy. The leg. Legacy. I think season seven was pretty much across the board regarded as the most boring one. Well, that's what you'd think. Yeah. But, you know, it followed six, which was incredible. Four, five, and six were some of the best of all time. Yeah. And seven, well, I think it was just sort of a...

you know, in like the game shows where they're like, not a match when the word's not a match. The cast didn't match the challenges. I'll say that. That's very true. I often found myself feeling like none of us did that great in any challenge. No, no. It's like a lot of wasted talent, a lot of potential. Yeah, there was a lot that could have happened that could have, would have, should have happened. It was strange. However, let's be fucking honest.

Then you watch season eight and you're like, oh, season seven had amazing runways and we took them for granted, didn't we? I mean, Violet, Fame, et cetera, raised the bar permanently on drag. Yes, actually. They raised the price tag too. Fame had wigs like RuPaul's wigs. I know. I had never seen any of those wigs. I've never seen something like that. And the way that she put them back like a newborn baby. I know. Like the baby Jesus. I know. Yeah. I was like, you don't just throw it in a bag? Wet. Yeah.

You don't just throw it in a bag wet. You don't taste that shit. She sure didn't though. And Maurice Newhouse. Catch it. Maurice Newhouse. Sounds like Paris, France. Real fancy. Maurice Newhouse. That's the wig maker. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm using Maurice Oldhouse. I'm using the hand-me-downs. I got a quote from him one day. I said, like, I would love a fancy wig. And I said, I looked at the quote and I said...

Okay, thank you so much. And I'll see myself out at the store. Thank you. Thank you. I'll just cut off my arm and leave it here in tribute.

Well, okay. Yeah. The people had different, I mean, people just had good drag on, on seven. Not me and not you. Not some people. And I, you know, Kennedy, Kennedy had some really cool, big flashy pageant drag. Yeah. She had some cool drag. She had some, yeah. Ginger had some of the biggest jewelry I've ever seen in my life. I know. Jasmine shoe collection. Yeah. Huge source. Jasmine shoe collection, jewelry collection. I mean, there was some kind of great drag on seven. That's all. There was, there was. Yeah. But, but, you know, looking back,

It did accidentally produce some of the biggest stars of the franchise. So whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And some of the richest. Oh, apparently, by the way, I love that RuPaul goes on Jimberley Kimball and says, let me tell you about Trixie Mattel. She is rich. As if RuPaul is a latchkey boxcar child. I know. I know. Food insecure. RuPaul was doing Anne Hathaway in Les Mis with a short haircut singing RuPaul.

We're on my patio using sunlight as lighting. Trying to cut on the electric bill. Yeah, you are not. Apparently I'm rich. Everyone's been texting me saying, so you're rich. And I'm like, I can't believe that. It's all part of the plan. I think she's laying the foundation for something. You watch out. Something's coming. Well, after the interview, she immediately called me and asked me to borrow money. And I said, no, thank you. Not this time. Goodbye. Goodbye.

No, thank you, Ruth. No, no, Ruth Paul. Oh my God. I actually, I've done Jimberley Kimball once. I did. I judged like a competition on that show once. Are you serious? Yes. When? Um, like two years ago, I judged a belly flop competition with Nicole Byer and Sean White. Okay. Olympic gold medal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Jimberley Kimball direct, um, directed crank anchors.

Which I was in. That's right. So I remember I was on a zoom with a James Kimmel and he comes on and goes, I'm going to need you to call them back. And this is what you're going to say. And I'm like, Oh my God. Really? Yeah. Was he nice? Yes. But that was by far the hardest job I've ever had. Why? Why is that?

Crank Yankers, you're calling real people. I don't know if I could do that. And you're fucking with, you're pushing the envelope so far. You're prank calling. I had to do about six places over the course of the day, different scenarios. One of them, I don't think they used it. Oh yes, they did. I had to call a big and tall store and say that I was coming in with my boyfriend who's four feet tall and he likes to feel tall. And I had to ask, can everyone walk on their knees that day? Oh my God.

Can everyone talk to him in a high voice? Can they lower the doorway so he hits his head on the way in? Can they hang shorts in the pants section? Did they buy any of it? Were they up for any of it? That guy really was. Really? Because some people are more focused on giving great customer service. Oh.

The Christian store that I had to call and ask why they don't have drag queen nativity scenes. I think they caught on pretty quickly. Yeah, they were sniffing. Oh, that's a bummer. They got so mad at me. I'm sure they get fucked up. They get fucked with all the time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one of them was a restaurant and eventually the guy goes, all right, you're very funny, but we have to get back to work here. And I was like, you think I'm funny? Really? Anyway, I love Jimberley Kimball and now he thinks I'm rich because of RuPaul. Well, I love that. Mark your fucking, count your days, bitch. Count your days.

By the way, everyone who works for me probably saw that and is like, hmm. Interesting. Asking for a raise. Paychecks a little light. So, okay. Well, Drag Race, we're here to, what are we doing? We're sort of. Well, we're going to dive into some very personal opinions about RuPaul's Drag Race. Okay. So two to three. So the first segment is about lip sync performances. I want you to think about your two to three top faves of all time.

Um, and then I'll say mine and I celebrity drag race. I noticed they did 90 second, um, uh, lip syncs. And I said, where's this? Where's this from the regular show? Give me 15 seconds. But 90 seconds is perfect. It felt like, you know how we do the full song on drag race and it feels perfect.

It does. It feels long. Don't you think it feels long? Well, drag queens are used to audiences taking money. You're also on a fake stage performing for essentially- No walls. People don't know this. The judges are here. Yeah. And then everyone who works in the production, probably 50 people, during the lip sync, everyone comes and kneels out of camera and watches. Yeah. It's nerve wracking. The PAs, everyone, because they also personally know you and they all kind of have personal like what they think will happen. Yeah.

So do you want me to go first? Cause I'm going to make you uncomfortable with one of mine. Okay, sure. You and Kennedy doing roar. No, that is incredible. Yeah, that was good. That was fun. And you sold it after you sold it. Like she obliterated you.

No, no, I think it was, yeah. I wasn't so humiliated when it was happening. When you watched it, were you like, oh, I did good. Yeah, I did. And I was like, I'm glad that we both picked like different parts to do different things. Like it, she jumped off the stage at that one point where in the song, it wouldn't have made sense for me to punctuate that. Do you know what I mean? But I think it both worked in a way that didn't seem like I was desperate. No, it was amazing. Yeah, it was good. Also, also you had to lip sync against...

One of the best lip-syncers in the history of the art form of drag. Not even drag race. I know. No shit. So the fact that you didn't get humiliated is amazing. Yeah, that's good. That being said, I lip-synced against her and I won. So I don't know. I don't know what you were doing. Sorry. Sorry.

Well, you know, listen, my other favorite, you were there for this, which I'm so jealous of. Shut up and drive. Oh, bitch. It was good. It was good. It's Alyssa Milano. It's Melissa Edwards. Yeah. It's Melissa Edwards and Tatiana Edwards. Yeah.

It's just so good. Their outfits were good. I think that, wait, is this true? Let me know if this is true or not. Did all stars to start, did we start the, um, the trend of being able to change for the lip sync? Was that where it started? Because of your latex. Yeah. I feel like I'm not credited as the, as the, um, the, the, the start of that. Let them know. I would like you to know that I started that. Did you know Shangela invented the mirror message?

In season two, Shangela's the first one to leave a mirror message. She invented that? She's the first one to do it and then everyone did it. Wow. Trailblazer. Risk taker. Yeah. Yeah. I beat that whore too. You did? I did. You did?

You did. You did through just honest to goodness hard work. Yeah. And a lot of luck. And a lot of luck. Yeah. All Stars is the ultimate Rue Goldberg machine. Rue Goldberg. Because so many things have to happen in your favor. Yeah. Yeah. So many dings and whistles and hoo-hahs and little trains and trips. Yeah. They have to go off before you can even get your little cookies. And then I would say my third favorite, I mean, honestly, I don't recall anything.

I'm going to say, I'm going to, I'm going to say what mine is. Then damn rose petals. You lived. Well, yeah, but I also like looking back, I was like, holy shit. What a, like what a giant thing it was like those she pulled, she stuffed her gloves and her wig with rose petals.

But from the reaction, you would think that she cured the cancer. She cured the AIDS. And she found a way to eradicate world hunger. It is child abuse. It was beautiful. But the word is disproportionate. Disproportionate. Yeah, yeah. It was beautiful. It was perfectly executed. And it was great. It was smart and wonderful. However...

Can I talk out of school for a second? Absolutely. I keep my ears and I tie myself to the tracks. Is that what I mean? No. I keep my ear to the ground. I feel the tracks. I've heard rumblings around the office at WoW. Yeah. But maybe perhaps they didn't see that ending going the way it did.

But that's the beauty of final lip syncs. If you truly bring a final lip sync that slays, you can just scoop that win. Yeah, scoop. You scoop right in. Because I'm a diehard Shea person. So when Shea called me the next day and goes, I lost to Whitney Houston lip sync and my mom was watching. I'm like, no.

Yeah. But that's the beauty of it. Sasha came in there and said, I'm about to stun on all you whores. Yeah. And you know what? It's, it's a great, like, I was like, Oh, of course. Cause you can't just like expect, I think at that point, but was that season, was that season nine? It was, it was,

It was nine. Yeah, it was season nine. You know, it's another lip sync that's just kind of like, you know, you can't expect it to just kind of boot scoot your way to the top, even though I was sure that Shay was going to win. Well, Shay's, again, Shay's such a good lip syncer. You do got to pull out some stunt. You got to pull out something. Although, what happened, you know, the domino effect is that then cut to season 10 and you got Jiffy Pop, Popcorn, sitting up there. You got Popcorn on the stove sitting up there. Yeah.

I'm unavailable to further discuss. You got Jiffy Pop on the stove. We got to define what a reveal is. Thank you. Thank you. So a reveal, as Webster's Dictionary defines it in drag, is in a standalone outfit that is good and worthy of enjoyment on its own merits. Thank you. Regardless of whether or not it doth reveal to something, which it does. So two outfits, two complete looks together.

in a reveal. Not Jiffy Pop and then a bathing suit. Yeah. Do you remember that? Was it season 10? Eureka, Aquaria, and somebody else were literally up there at like Jiffy Pop. Jiffy Pop. It was Jiffy Pop. They looked like the bag that Crown Royal comes in. That purple like velvet bag.

But you know what? I mean, there were girls back in the day who like would do reveals at the drag show, you know, before Drag Race and would be wearing like a shitty bathroom robe or something. And I'm like, that's not a reveal because it's like a horror that you then take off. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy. I know exactly what you mean. It's crazy. You know, drag locally, it's a different budget. I remember girls who did the black choir robe a lot.

It's like a, you know, a cheap choir. We've all done it. We've all done it. Yeah. Of course I've done it. I used to do it with trash bags. I used to do it with shitty fur coats, fake fur coats. Yeah. Yep. You know, and that's what makes reveals amazing though, is that they are difficult to execute. Yeah. And when they work well. Yeah.

It's gaggy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you should not see it coming from a mile away. You shouldn't see like... They agree. Oh, see? Something's going on. This corner is wild. Okay. We got some action down on the corner. We got a man who is interesting. Completely nude and rock hard. I think he's using a bird scooter as a mobility device, which I just don't know. I'm not sure. Well, you know, it's four o'clock in the afternoon.

Dusk is when the most accidents happen, though. Yeah, things get really confusing after four. That's what I've found in Hollywood. This is when things get dicey. Yeah, absolutely. It's sort of like Grindr after 1 a.m. Nothing good's happening. Nothing. Nothing. No. Yeah, then you get tweak, tweak, tweak. Tweak, tweak, tweak. Tweaker city. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's like you up at five. Like,

No, and that's when the worlds collide. You get the morning crowd and then the after hours crowd mixing and mingling. And it's like, ooh. Because you know the people, they wake up at 5 a.m. and try to get a little nut before work.

I do. On Grindr. They really do. I think the older men do that. Or just, yeah. Or just the people who get up early. Good for them though. You know what though? There's a finite, got to go. Absolutely. It's all business. That's where, when I was a hooker, my friend who was also a hooker, she was like a, you know, a street walking, pavement pounded hooker. She said, it's lunch and it's the morning shift. That's, that's really, yeah. That's like what you want. And it's, but it's tough though because you make appointments, you get in drag at 7am and nobody show up.

But then you get unlimited nights and weekends. Roll over. Roll over plan. Jivvy plan. You roll over the morning drag to lunch. Yeah. The lunch shift. The lunch shift. The quick blow and go lunch shift. All right. So you love the so emotional lip sync. What else you got? I did. I also love, I think my favorite, I loved the one where they, where Ginger cut the boobs off.

that nasty nasty I think we're alone now season 7 yeah yeah yeah it was like the most stupid crazy dumb lip sync but I remember being there maybe it was because I was there in person but like when she gave herself a mastectomy on stage I thought that was really special laughing

That was gaggy. Yeah, she was always so great. Ginger's a fantastic lip syncer. She's fantastic at everything. Yeah, she really is. She'll like sell. I mean, she would never go on stage and be boring. Bitch Who Stole Christmas. I was like, Ginger could play any of these parts. Really? Any of them. I haven't seen it yet. She's great. What else? So you live for the mastectomy? I live for the mastectomy. And then I would probably say, what is my number one of all time?

There's a few where like whatever, whenever someone lip synced, they always turned it. Jaden? Jaden Dorfiers? Oh, it's the Natalie Cole. It's... This will be... That one. The prince... Not the princess. Yeah, the princess. Dieter Ritz. It was Dieter Ritz and the princess? Yeah. Jackie. That was a perfect example of an excellent lip sync. I mean, she was wearing whatever. Looked good. You know? She looked fine. Let's just say that she looked fine. And...

She had this wig on, I think. Oh, she did. Yeah. I think mine was, mine's a little bit smoother, a little bit closer to the scale. But it was just delightful. I was like, it's good. It's good. It was like peppy and lovely. And I would rewatch it. Cause I don't really, I kind of tune out during the lip syncs to be honest. You do? I do. I think a lot of people are opposite. They skip to the lip sync. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like the runway. And then when it comes to lip sync and I'm like, oh,

don't know I don't know I love the runways I love the runways yeah but you know what I can't stand tell me I really need them to stop and this was like I think it reached its fever pitch during Utica season and she was often criticized for it the mugging

the mugging on the, um, the runways. I just stop it. Honorable mention. Did you watch it? Uh, yeah. She had this great lip sync to fascinate, fascinated by, um, Avenue B. I'm fascinated by your love boy. Utica's a good lip syncer. Okay. Yeah. I don't doubt that. She's incredible at drag. You are a good lip syncer too. I'm fine. Yeah. Let's say above serviceable. You are good.

I think that's why I've lost so many times. The most times. People don't know this, but I have four losses under my belt lip syncs and you have five? Five, I think so. Combined we have nine. Yeah. Mama, you can't come for that. Try again, Jiffy Pop. It's not going to happen. I've won one lip sync and it was arguably because it was the top two and I had so many more wins than Kennedy. Right. That was your win. But you know what? When you go, you go hard. Yeah.

Shit. It's like, if you're going to win, you might as well win it all. Yes, I know. Do you know Naomi Osaka? The tennis player? Yeah. She lip synced before? Last year, she was at the World Championship Grand Slam. Yeah. And Serena Williams got disqualified for talking back to the referee. Yes. And so by default, the world watched Osaka win. Yeah.

without really beating yeah by technicality although it could be argued such a fabulous athlete could have beat serena absolutely it could have gone the same way yeah and so we had to watch her receive her world title yeah while she cried and the audience booed and i'm gonna be honest it

It gave me all stars, three flashbacks. Oh yeah. So mad about Shangela that everyone was like, how are you holding up? And I'm like, I'm good. My dream came true. How are you? Yeah. It's like you got your, you got the golden ticket, but it was like, it was hidden within this like sack of shit that was hurled through your bedroom window. But you know how delusional I am. Yeah. I was on cloud nine.

Until the interview started the next day and they go, have you been online? And I'm like, no, I've been living. How are you? Really? Was that the most annoying press you've done? It has to be. Well, no, because if you win or lose, you talk to the same outlets. The conversation just starts with congratulation or sorry. It's the same interviews, same outlets. Gotcha, gotcha.

I mean, that sucks. That genuinely sucks. It did. To have kind of like a constellation, or what do you call that? Like a...

If so, if you win by default or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. I mean, it was still like, I was still thrilled about it. I was one of the happiest moments. Yes. And like confetti raining from the sky crying. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Couldn't believe it. However, what do I, do I wish I would have like had to fight Shangela to the death? Yeah. Yes. Right. Of course. And then they still would be pressed if you won over her, they would hate you probably even more, you know?

Who knows? Yeah. No matter what way you slice it, someone's always going to have a problem with it. T. And that person is me. Including lip syncs. Including lip syncs though, because before RuPaul calls it, if you've ever been in a gay bar, people are like, no, I think she won. I think she won. Sometimes it's a landslide. Sometimes you know, sometimes you have no idea. Sometimes it's a huge upset when it's like you, I mean, sometimes there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. Yeah.

You've been on that one, that one with Pearl. I was like, come on. Oh, I forgot about that. Season seven, yeah. I was shocking, truly shocking. I mean, season seven was, I think, the season of like, excuse me, what now? What was that? That was the weirdest experience. I completely forgot about it. But you know what, though? The older I get and the more I look back, the more I'm like, she probably did do better than me.

I'm delusional. I always think I'm doing great. So like, I know, but I mean, I don't know. Cause sometimes I, I do, I feel like the same thing. I'm like, I was there. I remember, but then also, yeah, exactly. My memory is my perception. Of course I was 24 and I was like, I didn't there. So looking back, I'm like, maybe you did it, bitch. Yeah. You also said you were a makeup artist with that makeup looking like that. Boo boo.

Which is so great. So great. And now I have a makeup company. And what? There you go. See, that's the thing. That's the thing. What else you got? Anything else to drag me? Yeah, seriously. Hold on. Let's see. Okay. Oh, best Snatch Game performances. Oh, shit. There's so many good ones. Can I tell you? I only recently, within the last two months, have watched your season of Snatch Game. The All-Stars 3 Snatch Game. Do we have to talk about it? Nope. We don't. All I'm going to say is that I finished the video and I closed the computer and I looked at the wall.

the all-stars three didn't have that many good snatch games at all no it was it wasn't that good it was not it was an it was an old it was snatch game insecure yes it was it was snatch game insecure yes it was um there's a few that I just think are really really amazing obviously Jinx as little Edie yeah sort of like set a precedent for how good a snatch game could be yes yeah um

I loved, um, got make his Paris Hilton. I thought it was so smart and good. Yeah. And also she got the look down and she got the whole like essence of it really well. You know, like it wasn't like side splittingly funny to me, but it was like really smart. And I was like, Oh yeah, you got that. You know what that is? Yeah. Bob,

Carol Channing halfway through. I asked Bob, like, did you tell anyone? He goes, no, I was afraid they'd say no. So I just did it. That's yeah. That's the attitude. That's the attitude. That's Bob steamroller bulldozer. Bob's like, I'm not going to tell anyone because I won't be controlled either way. You know what I mean? I was like, I'm doing it. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, who is my favorite one of all time?

I think my favorite was Little Richard's up there. Bitch. That's up like... Little Richard is one of the first. Unhinged. And nobody had done the boy stuff at that time, Trailblazer. That was really...

Kennedy, if you're listening to this. That was so unexpected. But then in All-Star, she did Phaedra Parks and it was a flop. So it's hard. It's hard to do well in Snatch Game and have to live up to it. Yeah, that's why I think the same thing happened to Tatiana. It was a fluke and then she flopped. Fluke and then flop. Fluke Wilson. Yeah, Fluke Wilson. And then flopping him. Mortimer or something. Yeah, I don't know. I hate the Snatch Game.

As a viewer? People love it. I don't necessarily gag for it. No, not anymore. I'll tell you this though. And I might tell you this in personal experience. It's the one that if you do badly...

It will never be forgiven. I know. If you flop a sewing challenge, no one remembers it. You flop a dance challenge, no one cares. You flop that, it's all people will ever think about. Yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, it's bad. It's a stink that follows you. It is. It's a stink that follows you around. Yeah. I'm fine with it now. Yeah. I'm at peace with it. I don't like either of my snatch games, but I do remember feeling significantly more comfortable the second time. Oh, you were great both times. Okay. So the...

Let's see. Favorite looks, styles, makeup of all time. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I can go off. Do you have like a top three sitting in your brain? Raven. Everybody you see on Drag Race now, pretty much a lot of them are doing Raven in some iteration. Yeah. That's totally fair. India Farah. I think she has one of the most amazing makeups in history of Drag Race. It's so much. There's so much makeup. The amount of Roxy. Roxy.

Roxy. Roxy Andrews, the bottom lashes. I mean, she's just the makeup artistry. Naomi Smalls, Kimberly, Kim Chi. Kimberly, yeah. Kim Chi changes her face dramatically every time. Every single time. Yeah. Yeah.

Every time. And then I like, I look, I look at her like sort of makeup journey on drag race. And then I look at my own and I'm like, interesting. We have a fascinating makeup artist on the one hand. And then we have this woman who doesn't seem to feel the need to wear any makeup or lashes or anything. Or lipstick. Lipstick. Yeah. Mayhem Miller.

Mayhem Miller's makeup is just absolutely to die for. Yeah, she's good. You like big drag pants. You like big, big, big, big. Tammy Brown. Okay, well, that's a little different. That's a little bit different. Well, Matthew Anderson said that Tammy Brown's the only person who's ever been on Drag Race that he wouldn't change a thing about the face.

Really? Because he said Tammy's just perfect. Wow. That is a damn compliment. That's a compliment. Aquaria's makeup is pretty out of this world. I know. I look at her and I'm like, how does she do it? And it's like, well, the 21 year old skin doesn't hurt, you know? It doesn't. But her skin is fucking flawless. It's incredible. But a stretch on her skull. And that's tough. I mean, there's not like a lack of great makeup artists. No. Fame. Fame. Fame. I mean, fame just blew my mind.

I love her face. Yeah. I love her face. It's so technical. It's like looking at a sketch of a fashion drawing or something. Yeah. It is absolutely stunning. And she's my age, almost. She's a little younger than me. And her skin...

Looks 25 years younger than mine. And it appears about, you know, three times as tight. Her skin looks like clay still on the wheel. Wet, smooth. And yours has been fired. You know? And fallen off the shelf and then swept up into the bin. Yeah. I mean, she is truly beyond this planet beautiful. It's just unreal what she does. She's amazing. Yeah.

Okay. Who else? I think my favorite makeup of all time would have to be fame. I think Raven is the second for drag, but fame just in terms of beauty, woman, everything. Yeah. It's Miss Fame. And some people have gotten so great. Monique Hart's face at this present day is unbelievable. Oh, yeah. Who do you think has had the best glow up? Oh,

We got a little action down on the, on the, the best glow up. I would say jinx. Oh, drinks isn't jinx. It's just beautiful. So refined. Yeah. The makeup is stunning. Oh, you know, house's makeup. Roger, Roger, Raja. I call it Roger. Yeah. Roger. Yeah. Roger. We did a show together in Provincetown and we sat next to each other and I watched her get ready every day. She gets ready in 20 minutes and she's 50.

Or close to. I mean, obviously she has a great skin. That middle skin tone is kind of like Rue. Yeah. Where the highlights work really well. Yeah. When you're really fair, what's the next highlight? White? White. And then also, if you're fair and then working with time, forget about it. Yeah. Forget about it. Roger, I mean, that makeup artistry is absurd and quick. Quick. Well, she's also, she was in freaking Top Model. I always forget about Top Model. Working as a makeup artist alongside Tyra Banks. Wow.

Incredible. Um, I think the, yeah, so I would say that the, the golden, whatever, you know, the number one for makeup for me would be fame. Raven fame, Raven, Roger, Roger. Yeah. Roger honorable mention. Michelle is just fucking killing it, dude. Her makeup people hurt. Yeah, they are. When I, I went and visited her during, um, one of the seasons of a UK drag race and I got to see the girl do it up close or, and it was just like, wow, different process than what you do.

Do you get interested? Like, do you look in the mirror ever when you're getting makeup on and do you go like, I wish I knew how to do X, Y, Z. Do you, do you look at the mirror and get frustrated? Do you not like your makeup? Always. You don't always, I always get frustrated. I hardly ever like it. You know, when you'd say like, don't paint yourself into a corner. That's what I've done. Yes. And I've gone so hard and so heavy for so long that I have no concept of how to scale back.

nor a desire. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah. What would that even look like? I don't know. I would say, I think you got, you're really kind of like you have the ticket there because you know, you just have this mask, this like this volleyball mask. Wilson.

I look like Wilson. You do. The red paint. You do, but it's very refined. I'm just, you know, old. I did look horrible on season seven. Horrible. At times, yeah. At times. There's a few episodes where I was like, like my ugly runway. Ironically, my makeup was gorgeous, but it's pretty bad a lot of the time. Like melted fat-free butter. Okay.

You know, yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Sometimes, yeah. But I had no lips and no eyelash. Did you not wear lip liner ever? Did you just put on lipstick? No lip liner? Did you follow your real lip line? Yes. Why? Because I didn't know any better. No one ever told you? No one ever told me nothing. How did you learn to overdraw your lips? By...

Just by observing other people do it, I think. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Do you remember Pearl doing that? No lip liner, just one matte lipstick. It was a wet stamp, a wet circle around your mouth. I was like, interesting. I was like, so it was like Kool-Aid. It was giving Kool-Aid mustache. You know, that was the whole, that I don't get, but you know. So you hate her. I hate her guts. I hate her. I hope she dies. Everyone dies. Let's see. So, okay. So fashion, okay.

Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Do you like running the run, um, walking the runway on track? Love it. Do you do? Love it. I feel plugged in. I feel alive and actually think I'm a really good runway walker. Okay. And everyone can fight me on that. What do you think is this, uh, this, why do you think that you're a good runway walker? What is your strength? What's your secret? There's a bounce and I believe it. I have no shred, even if I look like shit. Okay. You sell it. I don't know that. You're selling it. If I look like shit, that has nothing to do with me. I think I look great. So like the fact that I might look like crap, that

That's not my problem. I'm feeling it. Okay. And I get excited. I don't ever pull anything out on that runway that I don't like. Right. So even when the judges didn't like it, I was like, I love it. Okay. Yeah. Tomato, tomato. Yeah. And I like movement. I like rolling my hips. I like not moving my face and just like painted on unmovable skin. Yeah. I like walking the runway. I like it. Okay. Jesus Christ. Do you like it? I do. I just wish it weren't so darn slippery.

You could do the theater school thing where you pour Coca-Cola on the floor and then you step in it and then it makes the bottom of your heels sticky. We did it with our tap shoes. Really? Did you ever score the sole of the shoe with a scissor? No. Brandon told me not to because Brandon said, when you do daytime TV and you sit on a couch and you cross your legs, the bottom of your shoes has to be pristine or you're going to jail. That's true. Brandon says if I ever do that kind of TV, he's going to paint the bottom of the shoes that day. Well, good. Because all you've got in your future is daytime TV. Yeah.

And that's it. If you just got hooked onto a soap and worked that angle until the rest of your life, I mean, that would be incredible. That would be wild. It would be the closest thing we could ever get you to soap, period. Would be me getting on a soap.

I saw when you said soap, your eye twitched a little bit. Clean. No, don't do it. Do you feel hot, sexy, and beautiful and fly when you're on the runway? I do. I like it. I like it. And most of the time, I feel like what I'm... I'm not a mugger on the runway, I don't think. I like to... I love just modeling. I love just modeling. Just going straight for it. Just playing it straight. Just being a model. I believe that you think that. But I don't need to do the whole like...

Oh, it is kind of TikTok dance now. Yeah, like here right in the point. All of the little gestures and the little things. I'm walking over here. Mama, we already know that. And also, the one thing that is the biggest pet peeve of mine as a viewer of the show is

Mama, don't explain what you're wearing by saying what it is. Tell us why you're wearing it. Do you know what I mean? Like the whole like, here I am. I'm fierce in this red, sexy dress. And gosh, don't I look fucking fierce in this red dress? This dress is so red and so sexy and so fierce. You can't handle it. It's like...

You did this... You described your runway looks in a way that I don't think anybody else has ever done. It's like... It was like my favorite part of the whole interview. Tell us about the look. Make up a story. I don't know. Yeah. But no one ever tried to do what you did. And no one wanted to. How do you feel that you tried... You did something that no one ever else wanted to do again? Well...

Well, you know, trailblazer. I like walking the run. I do. Yeah. It's one of the few times like in that whole area that's like you're in charge and you don't have to worry about nothing. It's the main event. Yeah. And it's about it. It's a precursor to the worst part, which is standing, standing still. Oh my God.

That's the only thing I don't like about the lip syncs because the lip syncs all happen at the end of the day after standing up all day when the makeup is not fresh, when the body is tired, you know, that's like, that's tough. That's tough. It sucks. It doesn't necessarily yield the best performance. Yeah. You know, I remember at the end of all stars, we did kitty girl in the morning and then the runways all day. And then at the end of the day, it was like 9 PM and I was getting ready for wrecking ball lip sync for the top two. Are you serious? Yes. Well, all in day I was in drag, but at least 12, 14 hours. Um,

With a corset on. And I remember standing, leaning on a wall with a corset on going, you never have to do this again. You never have to do this again. Cause it's so horrible. That's, that's, that's too much. That's too much in your face. Like, I mean, my face would have been like, like whodunit. I've reached the age where now like,

no matter how much I will it marathon drag, my face eats makeup. Yeah. Yeah. The texture, the open pores, the sagging, the oils. Yeah. Eating Pac-Man eating. Yes. Yeah. It's who it is rotten in no amount of good lighting and no amount of air con can, can you can't fight old man winter.

He's coming. He's coming. You know what I mean? It's like, it's the math equation at that point. It's like, well, physiological issue. Yes. It's a geological dilemma because the texture, tectonic plates. Oh God. The texture. When you just do this and drag and you're supposed to be a woman and you do this and it's fucking Tim Allen. That's never happened to me. It's Tim Allen from what's it? How many hours do you got until you're getting sandpaper? Are you serious? Four. Four.

Yeah. Which makes, if you think about the amount of times I've hooked up in drag, that puts a very Hitchcockian spin on it. Do you know what I mean? It's like Jumanji or whatever. Not Jumanji. Yeah, it's exactly like Jumanji. It's like, I feel like Indiana Jones with the giant boulder behind me. Oh, yeah. That's the spooky boulder. Yeah. I'm about to get spooked and that's, you know. Yeah. It's horrible. It's just a waiting game and it just...

four good solid hours of smooth and that's it. That's fucking it. Gun to your head. You have to sit and binge a whole season. Which one's your fave to watch? I'm going to go with season four or season three. With Roger. Roger. Vanilla. I'm going to go with season three only because those challenges are

Crazy. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Like the money ball and stuff? Yes. Crazy. And unthinkable. Unthinkable. And characters, wild characters. Yeah. Talent. Talent. What about you? I would say that five is pretty amazing. Yeah. Alaska, Jinx,

Roxy. Alyssa. Alyssa, yeah. Coco. I mean, it's off the fucking rails. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And then I actually thought eight was really good. You get Bob, you get Kim, you get Chi Chi, you get Betty, you get Thorgy. Oh, that's right. It's got a good one. Yeah. Boo boo outfits. Yeah. Oh, but no, but the girls, the girls served Naomi and Kim and Thorgy and what's her face? And actually quite liked 13. Got Mick Simone. Yeah.

Yeah. Candy. Yeah. Lollary. I mean, it's so many good ones. Lollary. The bag ball. The bag ball was in, that was amazing. It was amazing. Shangela let out a sigh of relief when that came down the runway. Cause she was like, I'm off the hook.

I know. I mean, that was, it was, it was wild. I remember being watching that. Like it was, um, I watched it with a group of friends, but they're probably like 15 of us at the, at the most and maybe like 10 to 15 of us every week. And it was like truly men yelling at the TV about sports. It was screaming. I screamed. We had Violet on the pit stop and she certainly, we gave the nice edit of what Violet said about that.

look if you can imagine do you see the video of violet falling through the table no i gotta you have to show me when we're yeah i'm gonna show me i'm showing you now okay well yeah that's a good way to who guess who's the drag queen who just has a phone full of kim of course of course so we're gonna end this um lovely drag race recap episode with a a video of i'm just gonna do this so everybody can be a part that is incredible everybody can be a part of this yeah push play there you go

I mean, if Violet's beautiful little fragile self did that, I would have taken the building down. What is that material? I thought that looked like marble. Oh, it was not marble. It was not. Someone lied to her several times. Look at the material. It looks like that was foam core. That was foam core. Well, someone set her up. Yeah. I mean, she's not petite. She's thin. Yeah.

Is she healing? Okay. I actually haven't. I'm assuming her wrist is okay. Violet fell off her. Oh, Humpty Dumpty fell off the lyric. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did, but it was fine. I think it wasn't a major, major, major, like it was tough, but I know that's part of what makes that so compelling though. It's like, Oh my God, she could die. Oh my God, she could die. That thing goes way up there and she's got no wire and it's very nerve wracking. Corseted in a wig. And she performs like, and if I die and what, and what,

I just hope that if she does fall, I mean, I think the thing is like, you want to, you want to really go. You want to, when you fall, yeah, when you fall, you want that neck to snap. Well, I want, that's where that table comes in. Cause if she falls, she breaks the fall on that foam core table. She lives. Oh yeah. And then she doesn't add for them. Sniffy. Yeah. CBT.

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