The Price of Perfection with Violet Chachki
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And we are back with the bald and the beautiful. That's right. The bald and the beautiful. We're two of the most bald, disgusting people I've ever seen. I'm Trixie Mattel. So fucking bald. And today we have the privilege, the honor, the outrageously wonderful opportunity to talk with the legendary, incomparable, inimitable. No, no, go on.

Flawless, tall, thin, iconic, fashion forward. Show stopping. Record scratching. Who is in a word? Great. Great. Just real fun. Good. Real good. Violet Chachki. I would like to call this, wait, before you say hello. This is a podcast where we talk. You just observe. I would like to call this episode the price of perfection. Perfection.

I love that. That's how you pitched it to me and I was like, I can get on board with this. It sounds like a Lifetime original movie. I'm so happy you could be here. Thank you so much for coming and talking to us. You know, it's such an honor and a privilege. You guys are just so iconic. Do you do many podcasts?

Um, no, but I feel like I should do more. I feel like I should have my own. You should. Yeah. Yeah. You should. I have a lot to talk. I have a lot of complaints. Complaints. You do have a lot of gripes. I just want to just send, it's like a PSA almost. Like I just want to put it out into the void. Yeah. Monetize it. Yeah. And then monetize it. Do a little ad. I think your character is somebody we get the pleasure of looking at and admiring, but we don't get the pleasure of hearing enough. Yeah. Well, I think that's, I can't tell if,

That's why it doesn't work. That's why it does work. I'm like, do I speak or am I just decorative? You know what I mean? I'm like, well, wait, how?

Which one do I go with? You know what I mean? It can't be both. Yeah, I think. Are you just an ornamental? Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, do I just stick with being just fucking drop dead? Drop dead. Fucking gorgeous. Everybody could go home. Or do I spice it up? Yeah. I show your vulnerability. Do I diversify? Yeah. Do I get vulnerable? I.

I think enough people don't know that you're like, of course you're beautiful and flawless, but you're also, you like to make a joke and act like a dork. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, the truth is that I'm actually really ugly in reality. You guys haven't seen me be ugly. The listeners at home can't. No, it's a lot of work. The price of perfection. It's a lot of work. And I don't think people...

how much work it is. I mean, we complain about it, but we don't do what you do. No, but you guys know. I mean, I was on set yesterday and I was corseted, you know, like death defying. I'm talking blisters, mama. Pus filled blisters. And they're, you know, they're changing the camera lens. They're just taking their time, you know, and they'll like move. You'll be like, move something a little step and then like analyze it. And meanwhile, I'm like, can you fucking hurry up? And they just don't realize. Yeah. The pain.

Maybe they should be corseted as well. Maybe the day would go a little bit faster. It's like in movies when somebody has to be naked and the director gets naked too to make them more comfortable. You should make the directors be in corsets. I'm like, you guys should be in full fucking full high whore drag, fetish pumps, corseted, wigged, face taped, and then do your job on top of it.

Yeah. I agree. I think that's great. Or they maybe just give them a pair of Louboutins, those Pigals, and then just like strap like a space heater to their back. That's literally what it is though. Sometimes it helps to, I think sometimes have an earnest conversation with the directors ahead of time saying, if you haven't worked with a dragon before, we are like a ticking time bomb of like when we call it,

We call it and it's no coming back once it's like we're done. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I was like, sweetheart, this is actually for everyone's own good because once the eyebrows start sweating off, it's a wrap. It's a wrap, mama. And then everyone's going to be fucked and you don't want that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is like not just about me being a diva. Are you sweaty? It is that. You know,

You're not too bad. I get stressed. But you're, but you're, I think with you though, you can't, you can't, one thing out of place and then it's, it's no good. Well, and then I start spiraling. And I'm like, and in my head, I'm like, these fucking cunts, these fucking bitches don't even do, I do everything. I style the shit.

I did everything. I do everything here. They're fucking eating a hamburger over there and I don't even get to eat because I'm in this fucking corset and I haven't even stopped working and I styled this. I art directed it. I did the hair. I did the makeup. I'm modeling. I'm directing. I'm doing the lighting and these little cunts are over here taking their 15 little breaks and then I get in that headspace in my head and I'm like,

fuck this and I start getting real bossy and I had a riding crop yesterday and I started pointing with the riding crop like that light needs to be higher this is no longer a prop this is serious it was Trunchbull it was full blown Mrs. Trunchbull how do you get so humble

You know, I feel like, you know, I feel like my head is in a real place, like a realistic. I mean, I know I'm my character, obviously jokes. It's jokes. There's yeah, it's mostly jokes. Yeah. Do you see mostly kind of true sometimes, too? There's a fine line. Yeah. Yeah. To be snapped.

When? Which one? Which time? How are you asking her if she snapped? I know that you have. But let me rephrase this question. I'm like, have you guys ever been there when I snapped? I feel like there's gotta be a time. I don't think I have. I don't think I have. The PA on our season I snapped at. I mean, should we go back, sis? Let's go all the way back. I will say I do remember you having, let's say,

you know, we, none of us have been intelligent before. We're basically afraid of PAs. Terrified. And you really weren't. You were not. You would say what you needed. You weren't afraid to report. Do you know what I mean? Well, I was terrified of the producers more so than the PAs. The PAs, I was like, sweetheart. Yeah. Mama. If you don't have a coffee, why are you here? Like, sweetheart. Sweetie. Sweetie. Like, sweetie. Yeah.

Where does this, let's go even further back. Where does this attitude come from? I love it. Which one? The attitude, the capital A attitude. This kind of like, you're not a fearful, you're not a person that is, you're not afraid to mince words. I love it. Advocate for yourself. It's just like my body won't let me. Okay. Like it will not let me, my body won't let me. It won't let me lie. Like if I'm feeling a certain way,

My body is like, just be girl. Like if you're upset, be upset. If you're happy, be happy. If you want to have a kiki, then have a kiki. But like, I'm not going to be like, okay, I'm really upset and bothered right now. And just like bottle that in. You know what I mean? Okay. Yeah. Then it comes out in spurts. And sometimes it's like, but like, whatever, that's the truth. Like,

And that's the tea. That's the tea. I love that. We were just talking about sometimes we're on calls and I, I have a hard time hiding my emotions. Yeah. She does this thing where. So it'll be deadpan. And I'll be like, they'll be like, can you, I'll be like, oh yeah, let me just do that for you. And I just cannot hide it. She does. For you. Yeah. For you. I'll do it. But we were talking about how I'm not good at hiding it. I was like, you know, who's the queen of it?

This whore will let you know. I don't even try to hide it. Well, what's the point? Because then we're just wasting time because then I'm faking it and you're not getting the true reality of what's really happening. And then we're just doing this fake back and forth weird thing. I'm like, girl, no, this is the real tea. I'm not going to be around the bush. Wow, you didn't grow up Catholic then. Shit. Well, no, I did. I think that's why I went the opposite. It's a cliche, the Catholic cliche. You went dark-sided. Dark-sided!

Have you ever have you ever popped off and then and then regretted it immediately? Or have you had to apologize for bad behavior? Um, I don't know if I would apologize for it, but I've definitely regretted certain things. Well, there's one thing about popping off in reality is one thing about the other thing about popping off recording it when it's recorded and it's live or there's like some sort of.

thing on my record online of it because then it's like you can't even if you had an ugly moment the ugly moment will live on forever there is this one clip of you that I'm obsessed with it's the one where you guys are marking your rehearsal for I think work the world and everyone's in about half makeup do you know the clip I'm talking about

Oh, wait, maybe. Everybody's marking it like a rehearsal and everyone's marking it, but like still doing it. And you're in like half makeup. I think your hair is clipped up and you have the most stone cold. Like we fucking know the dance. Why are we doing this? And the way you hit the moves is like, I need everyone here to know that I do not need this rehearsal right now. Well, yeah.

That is probably exactly what was going through my mind. It was so good. It's like five, six, seven. You like, bam, almost rolling your eyes. Is this like bots, though? I don't remember how I saw it, but I loved it. That choreo? Oh, my God. We did a show together. Was that the one with...

off of TV. Yes. Are you guys triggered? I saw the performance. I've seen it online. Oh, online. Because it was right after seven, right? And it was, it was, that was my reigning year, by the way. That was what my career was for a good while. As fierce as, what I think I love about you, as fierce as you are in Flawless, you've, you've sure had these opportunities where you had to really, I mean, you had to get humble because doing that choreography was humiliating.

Humiliating. I've never in my life... And it's recorded and it's... It's on there forever. It's on there forever. I've never been more... And that was the energy the whole time that I was playing. I was like, I can't believe... Every time I look over her, she is... It's hard to feel it, though, when you know that it's not good. There's nothing to feel. Yes. There's nothing to feel. No, and the choreography, God bless the choreographer. Well, she was... I never fault her because it's... No, it's not her fault. It's never...

It's not her fault. Don't blame G. Don't blame Harlow. It's not her fault. It's not her fault. But it was like, it was just, she's looking gorgeous. It's not her fault.

It was just an impossible situation. You'd have Sharon who like, you know, mama, it's blocking. We don't need to be doing a fucking mermaid, a little mermaid parody on stage live. Thank God. Jinx fell down that one time. That's the crowning jewel. That's the only reason I've seen the clip. Yeah. It's because Jinx falls. She grabs Courtney's skirt and almost tears it off. And then, um,

you guys go on professionally or you didn't notice and a door is sort of doing the moves, but staring at the, like the dead body on the ground. Like, yeah, like it was wild. It was so funny. I also love there is this, what did this person say to you on Twitter? They said, you said something and they went, well, this, and you went great. Yeah.

Do you remember this? I think that was recent. You guys are on Twitter. Bitch, you're on everything. I'm on it all. I'm surprised she's not tweeting right now. Are you live?

Is there someone else tweeting in the back room for you right now? Because this bitch stays on the social. I'm like, girl, there's a video. There's Twitch. There's video games. There's this. Until they lock me out of those accounts, I will be here. You know what I hate about Twitter? And this is a perfect example. She loves Twitter more than I do. I love Twitter. Why? Because I don't post things to have a conversation. But you don't need to. Great. Yeah.

Yeah. Bitch, mama, this does not warrant a response. You shouldn't follow anybody, though. Well, bitch, it shows up. Like, notifications are like, so-and-so replied to blah, blah, blah. I'm like, mama, I don't give a fuck. I'm here to say my piece and leave. Literally, I'm like, this is not an open the floor for discussion. This is a statement throwing it into the void moment. Yeah, yeah. You just turn off that notification. You keep stepping. I'm like, well, what? What?

the fuck are these kids thinking like there is no conversation to be had yeah yeah it's a one way well and then there's a limit on the characters and I'm like well what oh now you got a lot of things to say so and they don't let you edit like you should be able to edit a typo yeah that's that's the thing I hate about that's the only thing I hate about Twitter you should be able to edit a typo because you can't edit a post mama a picture says a thousand words yeah you prefer Instagram I mean I'm a visual yeah I'm a visual yeah but you can post whole pics on Twitter well

See, I have two Twitters. You do? Do you have a fake one? Do you have a private one? Maybe. So I have, wait, you have to, so as a young person, I have a question. Me or you? Who's young? You, you, you. Okay.

What is, cause I don't have a, what do you call it? A Finsta? Yeah. What does that mean? What does it stand for? Um, friends Insta, I think. Oh, okay. I thought it was fake Insta. Or maybe it's fake Insta. I don't know. It was fake. It's real. I only follow, hers is fucking fierce. It's the worst pictures of all of us. Yeah. Compiled, like bad lighting, sweating. That's like her side hustle. That's like her hobby. When Kim dies, we're going to go through her phone. We're going to be like, we're not going to your funeral. Yeah. She has some pictures of me.

She sent him to me. I'm just so rude. Double chin, acne, like, bust it. I'm talking to you, me at my most. Guess what I'm saying? What I was saying earlier, I'm actually really ugly, if you really truly know. No, you're not. I mean, like. You are beautiful. Thank you, sweetheart. You are. I know that I'm not, like, ugly in that. You're not James Gumm, but you're. Yeah, well, Jamie Gumm. Jamie Gumm.

Jamie Gump! Jamie Gump or Jamie Gump. Very quickly. Love your suit. Yeah.

Oh, you are the OG Halloween illusion of... Yeah, you were, James. I get ugly too in drag once a year. No, you turn it for Halloween. You do. I love Halloween. I love Halloween. That red glitter devil too. The whole thing. See, I didn't even get pics of that. No one knows. It took eight hours to get that glitter off of me. Oh, I know. Oh my God. I heard all about it. It was fucking cool though. Yeah. You're insane though. She's prosayed? We've prosayed all over my... We dyed prosayed red and...

all over my body and then pressed glitter into the pros aid. Now, let me ask you something. Why in the hell exfoliation? Why in the hell? And being a makeup artist and a professional performer, knowing what that makeup removal process was going to look like in, you know, eight hours. Why in the fuck would you ever agree to do that to your body? She's not thinking about November 1st. She's thinking about October 31st. That's what I just can't get my head around. I'm about to gag these kids. I'm about to be the only us. And,

Well, I've seen it done before with the glitter and I'm like, okay, I want to do that. Like, that looks sickening. Like, boom. It's cool. It is very cool. And in person, it's amazing. But I just can't imagine without a shower. Remember when Violet won, Bianca had done it. That was crazy to see in person. Yeah. And she just did the hands and the face. And the face. Yeah, yeah. You did the whole body. She was fully nude. The whole body. Well, there's other ways to apply the glitter, I think, but it was on, bitch. Like, I...

I feel like I would still have it on me. And by the way, I took the glitter off at PEG offices and I kid you not, from that, from November 1st to the day I...

I heard about them finding red glitter in that office. They like billed me for the cleaning. Like they were not letting the red glitter from 2016 go. I wouldn't either. To be fair, if you came to my house and said, I need to real quick take this off. I'd be like, we're going to take you out back and hose you off. Well, bitch, like what did y'all, girl, it's Halloween. Girl, it's Halloween.

Halloween. Well, that glitter too, the thing about that glitter look is unless you're going to do pros aid and make sure it is bulletproof and opaque, it's not worth doing. Yeah. Well, that's the point. I mean, it was a moment. No one even knows what we're talking about because there's literally no pictures of it. Well, just imagine listeners at home. Just naked, full body glitter, titties, red glitter. That's right. You have had probably one of the most illustrious careers. Like, they're modeling the traveling, the goodbye moment.

You have all these people in your phone who all want to book you and have you go to events. No, I mean, look, it's been incredible, of course. It's amazing. But I feel like all three of us have... We've achieved our dreams. Well, two of us. Which two? You. You guys. No, we have done totally different. I mean, totally different, but I think out of all the girls that have been through The Ringer... We're all from season seven. Isn't that crazy? And they're casting 14. Yeah.

But I feel like we're sort of- But you won when you were 21. Mm-hmm. How do you- That's crazy, Violet, to think about. How old are you, Trixie? 31. 38. Oh, wow. What are you now, 27, 26? I'm 28 now. 28. Okay. 10 years older than you. That's wild. Yeah. Have you achieved all your dreams so far? Do you have to have new dreams now? No, I gotta get new dreams. Yeah. I gotta get new dreams. It's not even- I mean, this is obviously not forever, the drag thing.

When do you think you're going to quit? Well, this year kind of fucked my plan up. This is supposed to be like, you're trying to get off the, you should do another big video before, like do it a lot more me. Part two. Oh, even more, even more me. A little less me. I'm quitting. Goodbye. That video was like the best thing I'd ever seen. That's so sweet of you. And I'm not going to be honest. I didn't see it until probably sometime after it came out. By the time I saw it, I was like,

Does everybody know about this? Like, I was just like, this is crazy. How do you do that though? Because I'm always, when I watch your stuff, this is the thing I have in my mind all the time is like, I like, I know what it takes to put, to, to arrange into, um, to operate at that level. Like I can imagine. And it's so overwhelming to me. It's so overwhelming.

Just being in that level of drag is so precarious because there's just it's so like it's it's so elevated Yeah, it's a lot. It's painful. It's expensive. It's so it takes a lot of coordinating I get it

But the thing that is the most worrisome about it is like, how do you top it? And sustain it. Well, it's definitely not sustainable. Right. But topping it,

Is the nice challenge. I think I just like the, it gives me something to do. Like I, I really do like it as much. And I like complaining about it too. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I, I like purpose. It gives a purpose. Yeah. And it's nice. Cause it, and it's almost like the whole reason I started drag is like, well, I'm not really like, I'm not really like into any drag performers. I'm like, I love the idea of drag and like, you know,

as it pertains to like vintage drag queens or divine or whoever was going on at the time. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to do what I wish other people were doing. And that's sort of what motivates me is like, well, why not me? I'll just do it. I fucking, that is honestly the reason people should do drag. I was thinking of questions to ask you today. And one of the things I was going to ask you was like,

What are the right reasons for someone to start doing drag because you were so young with such a clear vision? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess that's because you didn't see what you liked around you Yeah, well, I would see like I was on like tumblr and I was like, oh drag is cool Look at all this like weird like that's how you were on tumblr. Wow T is T She was looking at all types of vintage content

She loved a good old time of Finland. Do you flick the bean old timey photos? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. They're like male. Sorry, old timers photos. The old timers. Yeah, but I'm from your day. Lithographs. The lithographs. I love that. That's the ultimate chic thing. Like, I don't even look at porn before the... Before the 40s, mama. Honey, no. Mama, this was so illegal. Underground illicit. They're not even naked. Yeah, literally. Loincloths. Yeah. No, yeah, I definitely...

I was like hardcore vintage. Like you said about my apartment before. Yeah, she lived the lifestyle. I lived the fantasy. And so I was like, okay, this is cool. Like seeing cross shots. And I was like, no one's really giving glam. Like no, I mean, it was Nicole Prates Brooks in Phoenix. I was in Atlanta. I mean, I was going out to drag shows and...

it would be Nicole Pagebrook. I am obsessed with you not doing drag yet, entering the club and looking around and going, well, no one's giving glamor. No, literally though. I was like, well, no one, like girl, where's the glam? Like where's the transformation? Where, where is,

it like no one is giving me anything here so well I was it was that's the right reason to start though is like I'm gonna do something that nobody's doing because I need to see it I need to see it done properly yeah well that was I mean it was a little surprising certainly humbling to meet you because I'll never forget that the first day we did that mini challenge of the runway and

And I was like, I remember looking at you where we shared the same table. You wouldn't talk to me from this. Royalties from what? This gif that you're about to talk about. No, no, no, no, no. It's not even that one. It's not even that one. It's spring. I love the fall, but the fall, of course. I had never. We talk about this all the time. Like until I went on Druggers, I had never seen.

drag queens in clothes like that. No, me neither. And I don't think anybody had done it. Nobody in Boston was fashionable like that. You either had a glamorous showgirl, but there was either like flashy showgirl or like never like like her body. Yeah. Yeah. Body suit, cat suit or with the hip things, the shoulder things like it was just, oh, the squares of fabric. Yeah. The glue. Yeah. The ruffle little thingy. Yeah. That looked like little dinner napkins. Yeah. But nobody had nobody was ever like, OK, I'm

What does a couture experience look like in a drag show? Nobody ever did that. All that shit on Drag Race was never, I mean, I'm actually able to wear couture now and there is a huge difference. That was all faking it. I know it was faking it. Yeah, but I'm not saying authentic couture, but it has to look, you know. I had the council. Who would wear an authentic, I wouldn't wear an authentic. Maybe it's me. Fame. Jacques Cabaret. Fame would. Fame definitely did bring the fashion too. We had such a great,

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Season seven isn't a lot of people's favorite season, but I don't want to use the words cultural reset, but some of you whores, you did things with your looks that did not exist on Drag Race before that. Thank you so much for saying that. I said some of you whores. Some of you whores. Like, fame literally had as nice of hair as RuPaul. Yeah, we never... Maybe nicer. Maybe nicer.

No, no. Compared to these past few seasons, her wigs are definitely nicer than RuPaul's current wigs. They were. They were nicer. They're incredible. I've never seen drag queens look like you guys. She brought a variation in her hair. I had never seen... Well, she's a psycho. The way she packed... I mean, it was like so much care. I just remember seeing her unpack her things and it was just like...

Everything was pin curled. Archival pieces. Like pinned and gorgeous. Everything was brand new. Because also she... I mean, this is no tea. She wasn't a working drag queen. Yeah. She was a YouTuber. She was YouTubing. I mean, I learned drag makeup from a lot of her tutorials, which is crazy. Yeah. I mean, do you... Yeah, I just remember thinking like so intimidated because she...

I was, I mean that, $35 wigs I wore out the bag. When she walked in, I was like, well, fuck. We all thought that. We all thought that. God fucking damn it. I'd never seen someone look like that. And then on top of it, she was also really nice. It was like, well, fuck. Thank God for that tape though. Yeah.

Thank God for the tape. Can we talk about the clip in the tape? Fame, if you're listening, Fame is in Switzerland, nude on a beach, listening to this. And she's like, I don't give a fuck what any of you whores think about me. I'm bathing in sulfur. She is ageless in a Swiss chalet right now. She's got some sort of gel face mask on her head.

I love, this is not a read. Her skin is so beautiful and she'll do a before and after at a skin doctor. I'm like, this is the same picture. It goes from dry to wet. That's all. Literally. Yeah. And she was so nice and so, we want to talk woo woo, the crystals. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But honestly, like between you and her, it was like, and some of us contributed a little, but like. In Max. In Max. I like to say that. Yeah, Pearl. Yeah. Season seven was the beginning of the end.

Is that shade? No, it was. Is that shade? It was. I feel like after that, it sort of, for me at least, I sort of kind of started to lose just a little bit. Is this shade towards the next girl? Violet being shady? I can't imagine. No, I mean, it was just, it feels like seasons one through six are like the

fundamental what Drag Race truly is about. And then season seven, I think it started to become a bit of a parody of itself. No, I think it was, it turned, it peaked at six and then we turned the corner or started rolling down the hill.

Yeah. I feel that way. I rolled down the hill. Straight down it. Absolutely. Hands across the chest. Yeah. And also it, I mean, we can talk about it. Part of why people didn't like our season and like, you know, when we were in it, when we were in it, of course we were, but now with some perspective looking back, I'm like, those truly were some of the worst challenges. Oh no, Mama, I was there. Shakespeare wasn't so bad. And I was telling the producers, Mama, these challenges are garbage, Mama. Yeah.

Shakespeare. I was telling them. I was like, these are horrible. Yeah, they were. I told them. I'm about to win going, this is horrible. Her makeup is terrible. This is awful. These are horribly written. And that's the thing that bothers me the most is they give us, pardon my French, shitty scripts, shitty dialogue, and they expect us to turn it into some sort of like Emmy winning gold. And oftentimes,

We do. We do. Yeah. But girl, sometimes you just can't take a turd and turn it into gold. In the words of Chi Chi Devane, turd city. Yeah. I mean, some people like, I remember none of that stuff was funny and people like Ginger or Kennedy where they just could read from the phone book and make it so funny. But unless it's written funny, oh my God, Shakespeare, you, I mean, it was, it was iconic. Well,

you were on my team. Pearl hitting that tree. Oh my God. Pearl hitting the tree. No, you weren't there Trixie. I wasn't. I was in the other group. It was. It was. I mean. I was in the Max group. I almost snapped. It was surreal. It was so hot. I remember and I had this cape

on and I couldn't reveal my cape until after Jasmine got her line out and when I tell you she could not even get and we had to be doing it for 45 like maybe an hour we were trying to get her to do her line it was surreal and we love Jasmine it was surreal it was like a dream I couldn't believe that it was happening legend no I could I was it was the most surreal experience and you can see I was fuming it was incredible because you also we thought that was gonna be runway so I think

Most of us tried to bring runway looks. When I tell you I was hand stoning that like Shakespearean, the bodysuit, everything. I was furious when they said it was for a mini challenge. Yeah. Furious. It was wild. It was so, I was just so happy though. It's like, oh God, thank God these scores are really tanking. I know I'm not going to be in the bottom. I remember Pearl walked in and said, she was like, I'm lip syncing. And they were like, and everybody was like, we were the worst in our group. We were like, well, okay. Because we thought,

It's all bad. It's not funny. I just don't, those, a lot of that writing, you, you really wonder what is the best case scenario for this? Because I can't imagine it being funny ever. They took bring it on and Shakespeare and combined them like what? And we're, and we're supposed to run with that and make it like Emmy winning material.

I mean, sometimes it does. I will say it's amazing. Like you said, when people do take bad material and make it work, they're doing heavy lifting. Yeah. They're really pulling the weight. Like you said, Ginger and Kennedy are great examples of that. Just turn it. Or like, I mean, you and Kennedy, that, um,

All I really want Christmas thing. I mean, it's not funny, but you made it funny. Yeah. It's, it goes to show you how hard it is to write comedy. People shit on art. I think people shit on that season a lot and I'll admit it. I'll shit on it. I'm not rewatching that season. I'm not either. I'm in it. It's weird. Yeah. I'm not watching this. I watched it a little bit in quarantine and it was funny. I was laughing girl. Then because it was just me and I was like, look at me go. There is a lot of comedy. Kennedy cracks my shit up. Yes. She's very funny. The,

So many clips of her just staring. She's falling asleep and untucked. Oh my God. Yeah. So, okay. What, so you won drag race at 21 or two? I think I had just turned 22. That was so surreal. You were there. Yeah, we were there. New York. You were there? Yeah.

You were there in Rollerblades. Yes. Wait, no. No, no, no. It was Rollerblades on the red carpet. Right? Rollerblades on the red carpet. That was at stage 47 or something. And then stage 46 or whatever in New York. And we all had to do numbers leading up to the top three. And then- That was fun. When we were events. Me and Katya vibed. Kennedy flew through the air. You won and then hung from that hoop like what the fuck?

I was in the back selling t-shirts out of drag out of my own suitcase while you were spinning. I remember before I went on and got up, I just won. And I remember Bianca was there and she was announcing me and I was about to go up and do this. Like looking back, it's very dangerous. Like you were so high up in the air and like doing, I would never do this today. Cause I literally was performing over an audience. Like, like I,

basically swung out over the audience from the stage and climbed up and did a performance over the audience. And it's like, there's no way this is safe. Like looking back, I'm like, that would never go, Pat, like that never worked. I literally went up there, threw it up. So I'm about to do this crazy shit. And Bianca is like reading me right before, right after I won and right before I have to go do this number. And I'm like, is this bitch for real reading me before I have to get up in the air and do this twirl shit? Like, can this bitch shut the fuck up?

No. No. No. The answer is no. That's her gig. She's been paid to let you have it. Girl, I'm about to get up in the air. Can you like let me have like a little bit of headspace here?

It was amazing. Yeah, that was a great night. And also, was that when we saw your video, Betty? I think it was that moment. That song. It's amazing. I think it's one of the best. I know every word. Top five. I think it's one of the top five. I only don't include your music because it's country and folk. That's fine. No, I'm not offended. No, honestly. I'm thinking about Clubbangers.

It's like number one. It's amazing. Right up there with the same parts. Thank you. I very much so appreciate that. You should be proud of it. Are you proud of it still? You should have enduring pride for it. I think I'm triggered a bit because I did perform it on bots with...

Off of TV It was that era That's right That whole era for me Is a little dark And tainted Did I eat your ass To Betty That was in the pig costume That was great See that was fun Yeah that was fun See People taking bad material And making it fun Literally We were on tour Like this is so lame It was so demoralizing And like we had to Do something And then we got in trouble for it They're like you can't do that

Like you can't do that again. It's a kid's show. It's a kid's show. You can't do that. So you have to do the parody of Little Mermaid. Yeah. And this was me reigning. And I'm like, what? Like, this is not what I signed up for. How do you... Speaking of not what you signed up for, how do you kind of like... How have you coped with the reality that a lot of times drag is... I mean, the audience is children. Because you don't have a children's act. It's not for me. You don't have a child's act. I mean, I...

I intentionally designed my life to never have to think or deal with children. I mean, I just...

I love it. I just, I don't know how else I could have designed my life. I do not fuck with children. I don't fuck with children. I'll take your money. No animals, no children. Yeah, buy my merch, but bitch, I don't need to see you at drag con. Like I don't need to see you here or there everywhere. I don't want you to be dressing up in drag and coming to shows. I don't want you to be performing. This is my thing. You know what I mean? Like this is my sacred space to do whatever the fuck I want.

I want. And that is what I, that's why I started doing this. You can be your own boss. You get to do whatever you want. There's no rules. And that is why I chose this. And it's like, leave me the fuck alone. Like no one cares about your kid in a wig. Okay. I have never been more in love with you than this moment. You can take me to church right now. Children. Give me a break.

Give me a fucking break. I know. I complain about the kids. Until your kid is alone in a wig in the McDonald's at 4 a.m. in Perth, then we can talk. Yeah. Blackout drunk. Yeah. Like, girl, no. That's the other thing, too. I got into drag because I also like that it's... To me, at the time, I thought it was next to pornography. Yeah. It's sleazy. It's sleazy. It's sleazy as fuck. And like my shows, there's kids there and they're like, well, there's kids here. I'm like, well, they're about to hear about me licking an asshole, aren't they? Boner killer. I'm like, dude...

No, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not for children. It's so strange. I mean, I've never had, I've never been in a situation in my life where I've had to, I've presented with children and I have to, I mean, I don't even know what to do. Interact or say, yeah. Like, oh, I don't want to, I don't want to affect them at all in a good or negative way. I'm like, even my sister's kids, I'm like,

Yo, I don't know what to... Hello, child. Hello. Hello, fellow child. I'm like, are you taking ballet? I'm like trying to push cool... I'm like, do you like ballet? Like I'm trying to like, you know, give my little positive influence. Like you should take pottery class. Like I'm trying to like, you know, be the cool, like...

artsy, give some little influence. But I'm like, girl, I don't even, I don't have time for that either. Come back when you're 17. They're like, I want to be like you. You're like, you don't have the face for it. I'm like, darling, it's just not symmetrical. We're going to take a break.

And we're back talking about kids and wigs. I don't care what adults think of my drag, so I certainly don't care what children think. Or their parents. That's not why I do drag. People walk out of my shows with parents with kids often. And I'm like, I don't set an age limit on the show, but I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I'm really curious about that too. Somebody will say, oh my god, my daughter who is four is her favorite. I'm like,

Why me? Why me? Your character is literally a Russian hooker. Like, why not Nina West? Do you know what I mean? Like, she does Disney videos. Like, that makes sense to me. A mentally ill prostitute drug addict. A crack whore. Literal crack whore. I mean, I get me...

I love that they are inspired by the confidence and trying to instill that. Like, great. I love it. It's a Hallmark movie. But there's other ways to get confidence. That's what I'm saying. Like, get bangs. I got bangs. Do chunky jewelry. Yeah. I mean, if you haven't been able to instill confidence in your children, you need the help of a crossdresser. Or a floppy hat. Yeah, floppy hat. Yeah. Have you tried wearing a funky hat today? Say something hat day. Yeah. Say something hat day. What's your favorite thing about drag?

I think total creative freedom. Okay. Absolutely. I mean, I just like, I'm a control freak. Like even I did a project yesterday, like I said, and they're just, they were like trying to micromanage it a bit. Like there's a client and they have the money and so they want it specific. I mean, I'm sure you guys deal with this all the time and they're like just giving notes and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. And the bigger the company, the more like waves of meticulous notes up a ladder. 17 people are like,

And I'm like, and it's the day before and they're like, well, we don't really think that this and that. I'm like, darling, I don't really care. Like you guys hired me to do me and this is what I'm here doing. And like, this is what it is. I specifically signed up for this career. So I don't have a boss. Like I am the boss. Yeah.

So I'm going to do this and you can be in the room and hit record while it happens. Literally or not. And like, if you guys want to edit whatever, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's no, no, like I am the boss of myself and this is my career. And like, you should be honored to be able to work with me. Yes. And a hundred percent,

Because also like drag is already dumb. Let us have the integrity of saying, of having, you know what I mean? Yeah. I have a hard time saying stupid shit that other people want me to say. I don't mind saying my own stupid shit, but it's, it's hard to sell a turd. Like, can you just say this thing? And I'm like, I would never say that.

oh, I'm doing that right now. There's some lines people want me to read and I'm like, I would never say that. I wouldn't say it like that. Say it like this. I will say in my experience when I do say stuff like that, people are usually cool about implementing it because they're so weird about writing for your character

there's somebody's job to write it. And usually if you go, I would say it more like this, they will just go along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe they don't. Well, I think it's more about like, for me, it's the visuals. They're like, well, we don't, we don't think it should, it should be this outfit or this wig or this, or why don't you want to be blonde? You should be blonde. I'm like, I'm not blonde. Yeah. Like hire a blonde drag queen. Like what are you like?

There's so many of us. There's no shortage of blondes. You don't do the white blondes anymore once in a while? Well, it's like, there's just so fucking many of us. You guys have gotten... Well, I don't know if you guys have. You're pretty distinct. But I've gotten, especially in the fashion world, they're like, Aquaria, Aquaria over here. Miss Fame, Miss Fame over here. And I'm like...

Does that make your blood boil? Miss fame, Miss fashion. Miss fame. Oh my God. Is this the Swedish? Yes. Give us the Swedish photographer. Miss fame, Miss fashion. I love watching videos of fame in foreign countries with people who no one speaks English and it's her walking into like, I'm sure it's a fashion building, but it looks like a cheesecake factory and she's like strutting.

And it's like middle of the day and there's a little paparazzi or whatever. And there's like two little shorter gay people behind her like trailing behind. And then you see her husband somewhere in the distant back row. And you know she's wearing something chic but to me it's always it's always like a raincoat. Oh my god! I'm thinking she's got sunglasses on blonde hair slicked back a raincoat and like a glove and a black pump. And she's like

Walking She's beating it She's somewhere to be You have to So I watch you And I watch fame And like these You know These Instagram stories Of Fashion Week And I know Probably to the Average person It seems like The pinnacle of glamour Mama to me Absolute abject torture Literally Torture It's actually hell And I I

I tried to pitch it. Like I tried to start filming it so people can kind of get a more like in-depth view of what it's like, but it's literally horrible. Like it's not glamor. Well, everything about it seems horrible. It's just extreme. So there is extreme glamor, but it's,

so it's like the other talent of that is also happening like extreme discomfort stress like it's horrible also you could you could be late you could there's so many things could go wrong you could get not like held up at not your credentials couldn't go through you could be humiliated there's so many all of that has happened

I mean, all of that has happened. It's horrible. Do they try? They don't try to assert makeup on you, do they? Oh, no. I mean, well, yes, they have. So if you go to... It depends. If I'm being paid the big bucks, I'm like, sure, I'll be a model. Do like...

Do me up. Okay. You know, if you're, if you're paying the doll to be literally a doll, like, but that's in the show, right? That's either in the show or in a campaign or something like that. But that's different though. I'm talking about attending, which people will, they'll be like, Oh, that's so you get to go to fashion week. You get to go to this show. It's work mama. It's work. It's complete work. People don't understand. It's literally, they're like, Oh, well Violet over there. Why don't they book her? This other girl for fashion campaigns. She's fashionable too. I'm like, darling, I have,

I have been flying myself to Fashion Week, getting in drag for free, going to all these shows, meeting these people, going out to dinner, going out to clubs, getting talked to. Brushing shoulders with all these people just to book that one campaign. That seems horrible. Getting in front of these people's faces just so that...

I can be seen. It's like, so if Miss Thing, whoever you're thinking deserves a campaign, wants to like hobnob and claw her way, you know what I mean? Let her do it. Let her do it. No one's stopping her, bitch. I had to hire a publicist, which was like tons of money a month. It's like a lot of shit. People don't even realize goes into it. So it's like, yeah, I may have booked one really great campaign, but there's so much that goes into just meeting the Rose Wright people to get you in front of those spectators.

Spaces. People just don't think about it. Tell me you would never succeed. Are you fucking kidding me? If it was her flying herself and getting in drag for free. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Well, I also, it's also very, very fun. Like, I think I just like working. Like, I know you love working too. I mean, we all work really hard, but yeah. She almost didn't come to this. Oh my God. I want to know, but I want to know some specifics because I,

I mean, I imagine that I have a bias and a prejudice in my head against sort of quote unquote fashion people. Oh, me too. I hate them. It's ironic to me because it seems like a lot of these people, I assume, are like outsiders or weirdos or, you know, growing up. And then now it's like they've kind of created this world where there's snobs and they can exclude people. It's both. Is it like that? Are there actual genuine nice people in those circles? There must be. Oh, I've had...

some amazing, amazing experiences, but there's definitely an elitist. And I think it actually maybe stems from being an outsider, being a weirdo. Then you sort of are like, okay, well now I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to be the cool person now. I'm going to be exclusive and elitist and da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. So there's both, but there's definitely like incredible, incredible people and true artists. And like, there's also just a lot of bullshit. I think Mark Jacobs is lovely. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, he's lovely. He's like the nicest guy and a big drag fan. I love how like supportive of the dolls he is. He's like the number one cheerleader. And he's also kind of a style. He's had his own style journey. He went from like very long hair fem boy to like super, super butch daddy. And now he's doing this like chic librarian look. Chic granny librarian. You have to have a Raja. Yeah. Oh, very, very much so.

It's like, I am obsessed with what the Rajah currently looks like. What does she look like now? The only...

Nana? She looks like a slutty grandma. Is she fashion Nana? Is she a macrame? Like, what is it? A burner? Yeah. A little bit burner. What's a burner? Like a burning man. Oh, God. She does like long middle part. I feel like you're a burner a bit. Oh, no. You're very yoga girl. But I'm not like Kabbalah spiritual mother type. You could be. Yeah, I could be. But you could. But we want you to be. But you can't. So, and who...

Who have you had? You don't have to name names or anything. I don't want the gossip. No, you do. Have you had any like situations where like you've met an idol or somebody you've really looked up to and they have proven to be a total cunt or like they've shattered your illusions or you know what I mean? She's like, how many times? I mean, I don't know. It's hard to say. I feel like I've done that to people. Can I ask? I mean, sort, I'm assuming Dita before you met her was like a huge fan.

Oh my God. And you literally toured with Dita. Yeah. And now you blocked her. You blocked her on all your socials, I believe. Completely blocked. Oh, for a second, I was like, oh my God. There's drama. There's tea. Call Jake Yonce. Call Jake Yonce is cannonballing at his Windows 95 computer right now. She's lovely though. Is it crazy to think you just have, you have a close personal relationship with this person? Yeah. I mean, it is. She, I could just look at pictures of her all day and sometimes I do. She's just,

such a perfectionist and like like basically what I was talking about earlier with drag and how like well someone's got to do it that's what she is for burlesque performers for women I feel like I feel like she's like you know what no one is giving what I would like to see so I'm gonna do it yeah and that's why I really truly respect her and

She's just she's really, really incredible. And wasn't you, Dita and Johnny on that tour, right? Yeah. Yeah. You guys were touring this. I think it was moving parts. It's like three years ago. We were doing the same venues as me different nights. So I would see your posters all the time. It's just so surreal.

I mean, I wish I could have seen you on that tour. I got to see Dita on New Year's this last year. It was fantastic. She was great. She's fabulous. When I saw you in work, did you see work the world? I've only seen it on like, Oh,

I've never seen this live. When I saw you in Sydney. Oh, in Australia. Yeah, I was starting my tour like the next day and we went to see you and it was, girl, I love everyone on the tour. You fucking let those whores have it. You closed the show and you did that Kylie song, I'm the one and you were spinning. Oh, yes, that one. With that, like, I don't want to say it's a hat. It's like headpiece, metallic headpiece. That headgear of yours. And you were spinning and it was just such a fucking serve. It was incredible. I love that number. Best part of the show. I want the one where you go, ha!

Yes, the space woman. The giant dick. That one's really good. That is fucking funny. The giant dick. I know. Yeah, there was a whole cock and ball. Like an apparatus. It's called an apparatus. Apparatus, yeah. It's called an apparatus. It's called an apparatus. On the metal cock and ball apparatus. Aerial apparatus. Yeah, Eric and ball torture. They do. Cock and ball torture. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, it's really good. I love that one too. I've done some cool shit. I was like looking back at all my pictures, like obviously in quarantine and being like, well, like.

It's surreal, isn't it? Sometimes because performing seems so far away now. So far away. It really does. And how many days a week do... I don't want to take it for granted, but when you think back, you're like, I did that show every night for months. When you do that, though, it gets so...

It's it starts when you do it over and over again, the same show, like how we do on tours. It does become like, all right, clocking in. Got to go put on my hard hat. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Especially once you know your number and you're not nervous anymore. You have to kind of psych yourself into the show every night a little bit. Oh, yeah. No, I'm sitting backstage with my fucking bush hanging out, eating peanut butter pretzels. Yeah. Like.

I got five more minutes before I have to get ready. Like shoving pretzels in my face and then being like, all right, I guess I got to put this fucking corset on and give it to them. Yeah. It does become mundane. Work the world is, what a cool show though. Oh my God. I want to be in that show. I'm sure you could, honey. I don't want to do that driving though. She says she wants to do it, but she only wants to do about six dates. I was like, that's not going to happen. Maybe four dates. That's what it is though. Did she get a three day commitment? Well, some girls get to just leave. I won't name names. Yeah.

Is there a genuine camaraderie among the cast? I'm sure it depends on who's there. It depends on who's there. Any big time beefs? You love Kim. We love Kim. I mean, sometimes when I look at Kim, I can look at Kim and we'll just start burst out laughing. Someone will say something just ridiculous and offensive and we'll just be like. That is so Kim. She flies under the radar. Like we just kind of let her. Ultimate hater. She really is. The silent shade. The bully. I love, I like love working on cast.

I love it. I miss it from back home in Atlanta. I think solo touring is lonely and difficult. And it's so cliche to be like, I'm lonely. The lonely star. The lonely star. I'm like, oh God. I feel like that's you though. You're the lonely star. It's me all the time. It's so that. Totally. It's you crying and your friends are like, you want to hang out? You're like, I'm crying right now. No, I'm spiraling, mama. She's at the Montreal. I'm depressed. I'm depressed.

Literally, I'm at the Courtyard Marriott trying to get my Grubhub to work just sobbing over some Panera. I'm trying to get Denny's brought to my fucking holiday inn. Leave me alone. Literally. Okay, so...

I know that. So who are some of your like contemporary style icons? Since I know you do the red, you know, you have always had a thing for retro glamour, but I'm talking contemporary, like living, living legends, divas, dolls. I know there's someone that I think is, I mean, Amanda Lepore is living. I was just going to say, I think of you like an Amanda where your commitment to beauty is so inspiring. It's like, if this person can do 110 every day, wow.

We can manage to brush our teeth. Yeah, absolutely. Amanda is such a committed, like, I just, I respect it so much. It's incredible. Just come with a lipstick. I know. And I cannot wait to scoop that up. Shout out to you, Amanda, if you're listening. She did lipstick? Yeah.

Hi, it's me. I think I'm on the PR list. Amanda Lepore. Please don't die of coronavirus. Love and kisses, Amanda. I got a cameo from her for my birthday. And she was like, hi, Tritzy. Tritzy. It's so good. Hi, Tritzy. Tritzy. David and I just wanted to say happy birthday. She's the best. It's amazing. My old manager had a voicemail on the phone from her saying,

Hey, it's Amanda. I just woke up. I'm going to take a nap.

I just woke up and I'm going to take a nap. I love it. No, I am picturing her. I want a documentary about her so bad. Why has that not happened yet? I'm always trying to get David who did moving parts because he's like, I want to do an Amanda doc. You really ought to. I'm like, I want day to day, her at the grocery store, her jeweling, her waking up, her going to the bathroom, her at dinner, her at lunch, her going out to the clubs, her talking on a chaise. Like I just want day to day life story, her own words. Did you get a book?

No, I didn't. It's really worth it. She says in the first two pages that she didn't write it herself. She's like, I'm perched in my bed writing with a feather quill. And then it says like, no, but it's a good idea. Her life story is bananas. You have her commitment to like getting her ribs broken and healing so she could be smaller, like

I've only like heard bits and pieces. You're trying to slow motion break your own ribs. Do you ever get worried about that? No. It's just viscera, right? It's just organs. Yeah, it moves around. I'm remembering this very clear that in season seven, we asked you a lot of questions about your corset because honestly, none of us had seen anything like that. No. And you said you slept in it for a while.

Well, I was trying to prep for the death becomes her challenge. The corset training. And I was like, oh no, like I'm going to be known as the girl with the tiniest waist, whether I like it or not.

What was the final count on that? The final inch count? No. I think it was 18. 17 or 18. Isn't that crazy? I remember it. It was 18. Do you remember I almost fainted? And you had blisters the next day. We're talking skin raised, filled with fluid. From the lacing. The ropes. The lacing in the back. Yeah. I wasn't even there for that because I was-

Oh, that's real. But when I got back, you still had the blisters. Yeah. We filmed every fucking day. People don't realize it's like you do. I did the smallest place in drag race history. The next day I'm doing the same corset.

With latex over it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was because when we did, we had to walk the runway twice. And I remember between walks, you had to like, you got a little. Oh, because you had to wait. I was like towards the end. You had to wait for everyone else to go again. And then you get to go again. And I was like, Mom, I can't wait for all these clowns to walk. Take me out of this course. Glenn!

That is... I can't wait for all these clowns to walk, Mama. Just give me the crown. When did you think you were going to win? You know, I... Because I didn't think you were going to win. Okay. I love the honesty. I'm going to say this. I thought it was ginger until Hello Kitty and I called you the next day and I said, it's you, bitch. I said, you deserve to win. I don't know. Part of me, like, when I...

When I saw Betty, that's when I knew. No, seriously. But I didn't think, like, part of me had an idea when they called me and were like, we want you to audition. I was like, oh, I'm winning it. Really? Did you? Like, in the back of my mind, like, in the very back of my mind, I was like, oh, I'm doing this. I'm going to win, and that's it. And then it was sort of still in the back of my mind the whole time, just faintly there. And then I was like, maybe I'm not going to win this. Like, maybe I won't win this. Because I really didn't showcase anything besides my...

fabulous personality and my amazing aesthetic so maybe I'm not going to win this which is fine I might just warm kind generosity you know humble heart the most winning personality very that so maybe I'm not going to win this

But then I was like, maybe I probably will. The only time I thought you wouldn't win is only because Ginger truly was able to walk into those challenges and make anything work. But then you, I mean, once she's a fabulous act, incredible, literally amazing actress, hilarious can deliver like, yes. Amazing. Like hand her the microphone. Yeah. I can do it. You're good for three hours. Yeah. She's amazing. But like by hello kitty, I was like, they was incredible. What you did. I mean, you deserved it. Well, at that point I was, I,

I feel like I was on like Adderall or something. My mind was, I just remember being so like, all right, all right, I gotta do this. Like, we're gonna, I gotta, this is my time. I gotta, like I had done so, I won the first challenge and I was doing so poorly. Oh, that's right. You did win the first challenge. Right. And I had a huge gap and it was just like, I really wasn't showcasing anything. I just remember by Hello Kitty. You didn't do poorly. You never lip synced once, right? Because everyone was so horrible. Ah! Yeah. Ah!

That's the great strategy. Just don't be the worst. Don't be the worst. Honestly, on All Stars, that is the strategy. Yeah, absolutely. Well, it works for you. Don't put the sign on your back, but don't be in the bottom. Yeah, yeah. Just coast. I was coasting for a while. Safely to the crown. Do good, and then don't win. Like, just do good in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, then we won. We worked together on the dancing challenge. We won the show. Yeah. It was fun. And you did great in Despies. Yep. That was...

It was a moment. You know what I said about when you and I won is because certain people, when they're on drag race, every challenge, they complain about what they're not good at. And you, regardless of what you were known for or good at, you were like, well, I might not be a comedy actress, but that's what I have to do. So I'm doing it. Yeah. Like that gave her all. Yeah. I mean, but it's, it really is faking it. I'm like, no, that was it. That was good. Yeah. Like, do you want to do it again? You're like, no, no, no, you got it.

I remember it was like you had a really unflappable confidence. He's like, you were just like, you know, act as if like it's, you know, if that was great, that was perfect. I did it. You were just kind of like, yeah. I mean, it's like, what are you going to,

Asshole clenched but fully smiling. Yeah, literally. And part of it is also like that notion of like when you go for an audition or you go for an interview, dress the part. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like if I can use that as a crutch, if you will, just like looking the part sometimes gets you like 75% of the way. Yeah. And the part you were auditioning for was...

That's an unprocessed. He hates everyone in the room. Literally. And I got it. I mean, here I am. What was your favorite, favorite look from drag race seven, seven of yours, of yours. Yeah. You, you have to look back pretty fondly on like most of those. Like, come on. I know. Well, I kind of like I do, but everything is so different now. Like, yeah. Like,

Like wig quality, stuff like that. Yeah, but I mean, like regardless of like, but I feel like the way things that you constructed by yourself, made by yourself, crafty stuff, it was all really elevated. The styling, the taste level is great. Hello Kitty, I'm proud of because I really did like, I was so stressed out and so frazzled and I made it all there and like, it was such a serve. I still think it's great. And like, it was a serve.

The rest of it is sort of like, okay, well, that was good for the moment. But now even the contestants that go, not to say that like having nicer wigs or having better shoes or having better anything really helps. Because it does it because we always say money doesn't mean taste level. No, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't. And it doesn't. And so and like...

trends come and go and like sometimes a salad wig, it's just, it's just some things sometimes just you can buy the most styled wig in the world, but sometimes it just isn't good. Yeah. I really, and that happens a lot and it's sort of like, it's weird. Everything's so muddled now and everyone's so like the same, but like it's weird. So say I'm packing for drag race season 14. What do you have any, what would be your advice to me?

I mean, you do need, for me, it's about getting super unique things and look, it is about doing, doing what no one else is doing or doing it in a completely new way. Um,

Well, that's very vague. No, it's true. I mean, I would bring leather shoes. I think that is like, that's my one regret is I had horrible shoes. Like you can have an ugly, santee alley fashion Nova outfit on, but if you've got a leather pump on, people are going to think it's a nicer dress, right? Okay. Yeah. Do you like shoes? I love shoes, but let me tell you what I don't love. Shoes on drag race. I mean, it's so painful.

Oh my God. I forgot about that. It's so painful. Do you remember my white pumps that I wore the whole season? The scuffed up ones? I had like one pair of shoes. I loved that. Your spring look was really cute too. Oh my God. I remember this was probably one of the only compliments I've ever received in my life. But it was like, you turned to me and you were like, I wear a lot of vintage too. I know that there's holes in that because of moths.

It looks really good. Did I say that? Yes. Oh my God. You were like, there's holes in it because of moths, but like I wear a lot of vintage. I love it. It looks so cute. It was. It was really cute. I don't like hate any of it. I don't think of it. Cause I also think of the resources at the time. That's all I knew. You know, it is what it is. The thing is that's, I,

I prefer that. Yeah. I'd rather you come in and something that you really love. That's a little bit moth eaten, but like stills like serving than some like ridiculously over fluffed, like custom, like just ridiculous thing that you think is like just elevated drag queen outfit. Number three. Yeah. Like very that like, because it's all at this point, it lacks a lot of original originality and it's regurgitating what they've seen on drag race. And so it,

That's why Max and Pearl... Max and Pearl. Max had balls. Yes. The shit she pulled. The crutches. Coming out and just... I mean, even the fall runway just...

A wool jacket. Yeah. I'm like, you're literally like. And like, jawed purrs or whatever. It was like crazy. It was literally like wool, like riding pants and like a wool jacket and a gray wig and that's it. Yeah. And no makeup. With no boobs. No boobs either. Just flat. Like three hours, no makeup. But like the way she served it. No makeup. It was great though. The mole. The mole. The slow motion mole and no makeup. Darling. Darling.

I don't even think she wore foundation. An SS30 crystal. Crystal. Crystal AB. Boom. Done. Crazy. But that was, but you never ever saw it. But she had balls. No one does that. I would love, I think simple is fat. If you can really serve it to me, girl, if you can style a little thrift store outfit like that, I would respect you guys, the new girls, so much more. Yeah. So much more. They really do. It's very difficult to tell, to kind of,

tell them apart. I care more about point of view. Like, like what are you doing different? What's your idea? Yeah. You know, what is interesting about you versus like, I can't get from any of the previous contestants. Right. Versus like, okay, the shape is good and I guess it's sparkly and you paid a lot for it, but like, what else? Yeah. You know, what's the narrative a little bit? You have to be committed. You're passionate about it. It's like you, I mean, I always dress with intention on the show. Like,

I want to see, I'm going to give them a range. I'm going to give them this version of me, this version of me. And this is like, like when I wore pants for the Valley, I'm like, okay, well this is an intentional choice because I don't want to be, everyone's going to wear a gown gown. Yeah. And everyone's going to think best drag gown. Well, no, we're giving speeches about why we should win and why everyone else shouldn't win. So like, I want to give like Dom vibes. Like I want to be a little bit butch and be assertive and be like, no, no, you're going to listen to me because I'm wearing the pants.

And so there is like, you have to have some sort of like thought behind it. You can be like, okay, pretty like, like it has to be a little bit more predictable and unpredictable. You have to think about what everyone's going to do and then sort of think about how you're going to stand out. A hundred percent without being too like cringy and stunty either. Right. Cause some people are like, well,

I forget who did it. There was, I think, a Canada's Drag Race one where they're like, I'm going to do something totally different. And it was just like completely trying too hard to be different. Right. It's a balance. A good version of that is like on the Christmas special when we all did Christmas looks and Mayhem did...

Krampus, which was all black. Yes, that's a great example. It's a theme. It completely fits in, but oh, none of us thought of that. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I would have gone out for that final runway and a very like, you know, a sequined gown with an updo and everything. Sequins. Sequins gown. But when I turn, the back would have been cut out and I would have shit, shit down my legs the whole way back. I feel like you can get away with a little sequins gown. There's certain people who are not going to dress this shit. You know what I mean?

I feel like you can get away with this sequence. You know what I mean? There's something about if you have the personality and you have the charisma and you have the character development already in motion, then you can come out in a little shake and go. Because that's part of it. Like the Despies dress, the pink solid. Yeah, that was horrible. But it's iconic. You know, you did look like Tara Reade. Girl, Tara Way, Tara Way Reade. Tara Way. I mean, and it works in some weird way. Yeah. I mean, both of you.

Both of you work in some weird way. So you're saying we're both trash. Yeah, both trash. Well, it's funny because I would say our season is definitely the most sweet

So we have the most successful girls as a bunch. Don't you think, cumulatively, all together, look at the material. Look at the material. Look at the material. So much success has come out of our season, and it was considered to be, and for a long time, the most boring season. But you know what, though? Turner, I'm sorry. I love Kim. Of course, I love Bob. I love a lot of season eight. Of course. That next season, following our season of Runways, goodbye. Oh, it was horrible. It's not Drag Race anymore. It was horrible. No. Horrible. Horrible.

Horrible. Thank God Bob is so funny because that... Hilarious. I mean...

I love her. She's been on the pod. She looked jacked. She's just, I mean, cartoonishly bad. Cartoonishly bad. Don't make up on. I mean, cartoonishly bad. So, I mean, you get the sense. I was like, is this just like a comedian who just put on drag two weeks ago? Because Bob now is amazing. He's fantastic. Bob does love drag, though. He does. That was why I was confused. Apparently not putting it on. But it's just something about...

I don't even know. I can't put my finger on it. I told Bob this. I think you're such a strong performer and it's fun now seeing your drag match that level. Yeah. You're such a good entertainer. Now you look the part. It's also the more manageable catch up. It's like if you're going to lack something, that's what you need to lack. You can't learn how to be a funny performer. I mean, you can improve that skill, but you can't get that it factor. But the other thing I love about Bob is that

I'd be like, girl, what are these kitten heels? And she's like, oh. And then she throws it right back and is like, is your content on Netflix? Do you have a Netflix comedy special? I didn't think so. You know what I mean? And I'm like. Were you nominated for an Emmy? Literally, I'm like. Are you in Lafayette, Arkansas putting people in drag for the Emmy? I'm like, you know what?

- Work bitch. - 100%. - Go off. That's the school that I come from where it's like, you wanna read? Okay, well let's read. Like I'll throw it right back on your face. You're not gonna hurt my feelings about the way I look or whatever, da, da, da, da, da. Like no bitch, I am that diva. I am the doll. I am iconic. I am talented. And you're not gonna tell me anything besides that.

That's how I feel all the time. And Bob has that. Girl, if you have that, nothing I say matters. So then, la-di-da. Slay diva. Work, little mama. It's like when Kennedy is like, you know what I like about you, Trixie? You'll just wear anything. Thanks, girl. Remember that in Untucked when they were reading your Jetset eleganza? Oh, yes. I went to your mom's birthday party. That iconic fight.

There's that one. Jasmine was not featuring the Trixie Mattel fantasy. She was dressed as a stewardess as well. No, no, no. She was wearing just like a cocktail dress. Yeah. But there's that fabulous gif of us from that episode. Oh, we all lean in. So good. It's so good. That is my favorite gif. Yeah. That was great. That was my favorite. The untucked moments were just. Yeah. Primo. So good. So good.

What was your most happy? We have to wrap. Oh, yeah, we have to wrap. We're pretty long in, yeah. Okay. Or they're just going to start cutting it. That's right. All right. Well, thank you, Miss Violet. Thank you for coming on our pod. It was a truly enjoyable experience. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing seeing you for real. No, it's so good to see you guys catching up, reminiscing, moving on. Say hi to your cat. Moving on. Yes, I will. Eugene. Teeny weeny Eugenie. Blowing up. More followers than you on Instagram at this point. Um.

very soon. She's doing pride. She's doing pride but she's available for booking. She's on Work The World. She's available for Booking. Look, I gotta leverage it as something. Yeah. Amazing. Well, thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Thanks for having me.

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