Building a Fake Hospital in Your House with Alexis Stone
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Well, today we have the incredible, the incredible fortune, very late in the game of our beauty podcast, the 11th hour, probably the most appropriate and fascinating guest we could ever have dreamed of, Miss Alexis Stone. Alexis Stone. You know, I didn't even know you were in the States. I thought we were doing a digital thing today. Oh,

Oh no. Seriously. Did you really? We're having a guest and I said, yeah, I think, but it's on zoom. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Zoom's gotten really sophisticated. It's like you're in the room. It's like she's here. I can't even smell her. It's a body double. What are you doing? For you, that wouldn't be that surprising. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing in the States?

Soon as they open borders, a year and a half of being stuck in England is just like not the fantasy. So I booked flights for the next day and I'm here for a few months. Just catching up with friends, making new enemies, seeing old faces, showing off my new face. So yeah.

Seeing old faces, getting new faces. So I read a little thing that you were, and I was like, oh my God, I know this woman. It was from a couple years ago, some interview, and they were talking about your inspirations in drag, and you mentioned...

a few movies, Basic Instinct, Sleeping with the Enemy, The Hand that Rocks the Cradle, and Mrs. Doubtfire. I was like, oh, I got this, I got this number. It's single white female. And I was like, you would love, talking about cold women, you know, I was like, oh, I know this bitch. That was like, ugh. Those movies are like, they ring, um,

they ring such specific deep bells in my soul. Yeah. And how old are you? 28. Jesus. That's strange. I've just like, I get the whole like gay references, like give me Cruella as well. But the unhinged, like,

Yeah. Lifetime movie vibes. Yeah. Trauma. Thriller vibes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, yeah. We need to talk about Kevin. Gorge. Gorge. I love that. And the rocks, the cradle. Well, it's all about the PC banks. The hand that rocks the cradle. That, I mean, there's only one line I remember from that film that I wish we could, or I wish I could say, I think I know exactly. Is it when she's talking to the guy? Yeah. I know exactly what that line is. And it's a different time now. It's 2022. Oh,

About the panties. Oh my God. She plants panties. This is. Oh, I know. I've seen it. Okay. Okay. And then I remember the scene where the girl can't find her aspirator. Yes. I don't even. She rigged the greenhouse. Rigged the greenhouse. That's fierce. Peyton Flanders. But you know what? At that point, marriage is a prison. Let him take your man. Who cares? And the baby. You can make another baby. You can have another baby. And you know what? At a second wedding, you don't have to wear white. Oh, really? I'm thinking canary. Canary.

You could do cream, beige, offline. Yeah. So who, okay. I don't even know where to start with you. I don't know. You know what we do poorly? We don't tell the audience who they are, what they've done, what they're going to do. Sometimes we wait until the very last sentence to say the name. I thought maybe a little exposition might be in order or introduction. In particular, I want to tell people if they're not aware, I think most of our fans might be aware of. You pulled a stunt that I think is like, um,

not like, I don't want to sound pretentious when I say this, but I legitimately think it's like a performance art level, long form con slash art piece. It's up there with national treasure. Oh, it's, it's the Da Vinci code. Yeah. It's the Da Vinci code. Like it was Tom Hanks running through the, you know, the Sistine chapel. It was like,

Because I watched it on... It gets me if you can. You're a celebrated drag queen and makeup artist, and you used your powers for evil, in a way. No, you used your evil powers to hold up a mirror to the evils of the world, I feel like. You want to tell everyone what you did? Tell them what you fucking did. I mean, it's kind of old news for some people, but it's new news for some people. So it was three years ago. On New Year's Eve, I tore my face off. I convinced the world...

For, I don't know, maybe six months, I'd had extensive plastic surgery. I was one of the people who believed it. I 100% believed it. She believed it. She's an actor. No one knew it was fake. Everyone thinks I had a small circle. No one knew it was fake. Wow. That's the only way I think it could have, why it worked. And I would encourage people to go right now to her Instagram, which is TheAlexaStone, because you can see the, because what people thought you had done to your face was quite- That's true.

Extreme. Extreme. Yeah, that's the word. Extreme. Whether or not you think it's beautiful or exciting, it's extreme. Yeah. Because you really let them...

the comment section became just, um, a narrative Mad Max. Yeah. And it, you know what? It really, it, it, it shocked me how comfortable strangers felt telling you how they felt about what you did. Oh, value system, your mental health about. Yeah, exactly. Everybody was somehow had a, a psychiatric degree. It was in every group. Um,

I get it. Like I knew it was striking. And the scary bit is, is I was due to have all of those surgeries. And then I know I was flying to Iran. They didn't let me in because I'm, I was running to I fly. Yeah.

It's not even worth interrupting for such a horrible. I hate myself. Go on. Jesus Christ. I'm so happy. I think we're turning a corner. I think this is a breakthrough. Continue to go to Iran. And by the way, how would you just, but this is an audio podcast. How would you describe the look that you pulled off? Yeah. It,

It was feline. Yeah. I would describe it as socialite in her 70s. Hunger Games. It was. Hunger Games. In the Hunger Games books, the upper class have implants and they look almost feline. Gotcha. Yeah. It was my idea of beauty at the time. And I think that was when I was at my worst with drinking drugs, making money.

It was like a catastrophe. So I was like struggling with paying homage to women I idolized like Jocelyn and knowing the difference between dressing up. So when I became sober, I rung my friend David who did Pants Labyrinth and Hellboy and Crimson Peak. Jesus. And I said, I need a face. And I told him this crazy idea. And I think the idea of taking movie quality concepts and introducing it into a real life scenario is exciting as a makeup artist. So he got what he needed from it.

I got, I guess what I needed from it. I got very carried away. It was like, I was, I believed. You got to live the what if that people with plastic surgery don't get to live. You know, for tattoos, sometimes don't they put it on you and tell you to go wear it around and see how you feel about it. It's like when you work at the mall, you tell people to put a lipstick on and go shopping and see how they feel about it. You put on this whole other face and got to see how you and the world would feel about it. You got Mrs. Doubtfires.

Remember when Robert Williams goes, can you make me a woman? That's it. That was you. That was the reference. So what, and I'm, I love that the fantasy of that movie of course is getting into drag and de-dragging in under what, two and a half minutes. Yeah. How did that, how long did that take? And the reward is to see kids. Yeah. To spend more time with children. I don't know anybody who's putting on a wig to see children.

Doubtfire. I mean... At least Tootsie got a soap opera role. Jesus Christ. You know what I mean? Yes. And like to get, you know, to touch Terry Garr's titties. So what's the time? Start to finish with that face. The top secret face. Life cast, sculpting, probably took about two months. Convincing people and my friends that I was going to get surgery. Building this... We built a hospital in my apartment. What? And like... So we really covered...

Yeah. I traveled so I could just take videos of me on the plane flying to the destination. Why don't you work for the CIA or M16 or something? I don't think I could ever trust you. No. Knowing this. That I know. That I know. Information. I am so... You know what I love about it? I just stupidly thought...

Well, she probably has a small circle and it was sort of like a joke that I bet they knew about it. But the world is sort of not thinking. Because there was comments that were like, this can't be real. Oh, I never saw those comments. But she was known as a makeup artist who transformed. So some of the comments were like, this can't be. People were convinced it was makeup at first. And then I think it was every day for three months I wore the face. Yes, because I remember. You wore it out? I didn't leave the house. There are stories that I wish I was a head of production.

then because i would have documented everything but what happened in just the day-to-day life was more of like a tell story like from almost being arrested i got pulled over by police because i used to wear like a face mask before the days that wearing face masks were normal and

And I used to have to like take my face off and have a hard shell version of it, which is called a stuntman mask. And then I would bump into friends. So I would have to run away because the mouth didn't move on that particular mask. Oh my fucking God. It was meant to go on for another six months and I broke and I posted it. How did you, you had me at, I built a fake hospital in my house. I had to buy all the hospital equipment by registering as a medical professional. Oh my God.

Alexis Stone, MD, PhD, DID. This is cannot handle. You know what I'm going to say about you?

You're thorough. Yes. And your attention to, well, your work as an artist and a performer and all that, your attention to detail is so high. I guess it makes sense that if you're pulling off a stunt, you're not going to be hazy about it. Oh, I have to do them. You're showing at the Guggenheim. You're not going to just say, I don't want to do that wall. You know, you cover all the bases. Like, this is not drag to me. To me, drag is handing the DJ your CD five minutes before you go on. A scratch CD. This is not that.

This is nothing of the sort. And I just, I so vividly recall me and Andrew like following the saga every day because Andrew's obsessed with plastic surgery. And we were like, what in the fuck is happening? She really did this to her. Like, and we're like, is this like, it was just riveting. It became a lot more emotionally draining than I had ever envisioned it. I thought it was just going to be a little gag where I could go to sleep at night knowing that I kind of had one. In your hospital bed. And like the longer, and like the longer you,

I don't know, sat home and watched Hulu. The longer you could keep this stunt going and the longer you kept it going, the more impressive it was. Like it wasn't for a week. It wasn't April Fool's. Does your family know?

They didn't know. My mum knew. My mum... My dad thought it was real. Oh, you're a terrorist. What did they say when you revealed that it was fake? You Scooby-Doo... I mean, I don't talk to my father anyway, so... Oh, so. Crickets. But it was when I revealed it, I knew... I thought it would be a gag, but, like, two minutes after tearing my face off, I had, like, Kim Kardashian message me, Lady Gaga. Like, that's when I was, like...

oh i was like people are paying attention to this yeah and then as it like meant months after i saw i took so much learning from it and it was like it was in every like group chat it was like yeah it was funny and it was at a perfect time for me where i was like in the prime of being a cunt so it was like the perfect ha ha ha he's ruined his fucking face yeah

You know what I liked about it? It allowed the performance to really be the way people feel comfortable responding to someone else's face. Oh, absolutely. That was the real show. That was the show. What you did was not morally gray. Even it was what it was. What people were did with the way we responded to it was the sad part.

I mean, it was fascinating because you have so many different, it wasn't even just like for or against, it was like the diagnosticians all of a sudden. And then you have the people who are like fighting on your behalf and then the justification for that. And then you have the people who are just telling you to kill yourself. It is crazy. And I don't have anything done, but I love plastic surgery. And I mean, to me, Amanda should be president. So when I saw what you did, I was like, work. I wasn't like,

You look better or you look worse. I just felt, you know, it's about somebody's autonomy and that's why you're like work. Yeah. I felt beautiful. Did you? People still really struggle to like get up. But I think for me, beauty and surgery, I see it as a science and body modification, which we all do from like corsets, bleaching our hair, makeup. It's all editing. Yeah. It's extreme. Directing your face. You said in that article is perfect. I'm not aging gracefully. Like it's just not, it's within my means. Yeah.

And again, I said earlier, I'm trying to have a good time. Not a long time. I'll deal with the consequences further down the line. Yeah. I think something about being unapologetically yourself, regardless of what people think

it looks like is beautiful to me i have huge admiration to the the scary looking ones or the striking ones yeah yeah i think it's like it's sexy 100 i remember seeing this picture of you outside of a vita and you were in your full body suit it was like you were wearing like oh the dental floss you're wearing like dental floss yeah oh i do remember that the illusion was so good that it looked like because you're wearing shapewear and then you're wearing enough

Rubber Rubber and stuff To correct So you can't see the boning You can't see It was You looked like a naked woman Sitting outside of a Vita It was fucking Cool I saw you like Walking through a parking garage And I was like That's when I decided To get the full suit Now have you seen Have you seen this person's suits? That hot though right? Oh I

I wrote in my little note, just talk about heat with Alexa. It's insufferable. You can't. It's like a scuba diving suit on top of pads, corsets. It's unsustainable. It's unsustainable. It's like a 20 second real moment and then take it off. Yeah. I've never done it. I will never do it. About 20 seconds. Yeah. I've worn the breastplate for like, you know, photo shoot six hours, maybe four hours. And it's even the breastplate is...

Do you wear a vest underneath the breastplate though? Yes. A cut up vest. Game changer. Game changer. I was like, wow, I'm really stupid. However, I took it off and then it was like I dumped it in a pool. Oh, wet. A wet thud into the trash. Into the trash. You sell those though.

I have a piece of information. Did you sell the prosthetic pieces? And were they, was it when you tore them off and it was used? Did you sell it or anything? I've got, I keep the originals to everything I do, whether it's like the molds or the sculpts. Because that's the NFT. Hello. Oh, yes. I'm waiting for when I die. Yeah. Or at least make people think I'm dead. So cash in. Because they were investments and I'm looking forward to there being a moment where I could make,

Mama, your funeral is going to be lit. I'm going to go to your funeral. And after all this information, after the fake hospital, I'm going to go to your funeral and go. Yeah.

Yeah, okay. Let me know when Santa Claus gets here to mourn. That ain't my bodyguard. I'm checking pulses with DNA. You're going to really be dead. I'm going to be like, look at her. I'll be sat next to you watching. Then bury me. You'll be in a different look. You'll be as, you'll be Sharon Stone. Like literally, it's just, I know. I got your number, hussy. I have thought about it. Who's your beauty icons? Like who's the inspired, your top 10s?

Jocelyn Wildenstein because it's just so unapologetic and just money. Yeah. Well, I can appreciate a huge spectrum of like drag beauty aesthetics, whether you're male, female, anywhere in between. Are there any drag queens specifically? Yeah. Like any, not in the room.

Now, let me ask you something. If you had to do a body snatch right now with someone, living or dead, and then continue on the rest of your life with that body as they age, who would it be? Do you inhabit their life? You inhabit their body. Oh, just... Not their abilities, physical, like Simone Biles, you could flip and stuff. Okay. But still your brain. You don't have to go be Simone Biles. No. Okay. No, no, no. Is your brain Biles' body? I would love...

I mean, Amanda is just like, it's the fantasy. It's the snatches. I've lived with trans women my whole life. So my reference point has always been like a caricature version, like just the fantasy and above and beyond. Yeah.

I would like to think that's why I do the whole silicone and the pads and the abnormally small waist. I just like to look like a drawing. Yeah. I mean, Amanda's a genius. I talk about her pretty much every other episode. But I remember the first time I saw a picture of her and she made me want to do drag. I just was like, I just hadn't, I remember seeing that Mac Heatherette campaign and being like, it was like a record scratch. Life began. She just is amazing.

Yeah. She's so nice and, I mean, so nice in person. She has really sweet hands. Oh, really? Like the softest hands I've ever felt. It's the one thing I noticed with, not the first thing I noticed, but on the list. Yeah. I noticed you remarked on my gorilla hands when we shook for the first time. That was really interesting. Exfoliating.

I actually have a message from Amanda before we take a break. Oh, yeah. I have an important message from Amanda. Oh, yeah. This is very important, people. Please listen. I know what it's going to be. No, you don't. You don't know what I'm doing. You don't have my phone. Is it a short? No, it's a film. Oh, okay. It's Amanda Lepore. You're gorgeous and don't die of coronavirus.

True words. Work. I thought it was going to be the don't commit suicide. Please do not commit suicide. It gets better. Well, it doesn't, but let's take a break. A liar. Gorgeous liar.

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People call you a liar? People call me fake, but I've built a career off it. There you go. Who is calling you fake these days? You like doing appearances in drag? When the money's right. Do you like performing? I think my idea of performance is like what I put out to the world. I like controlled environments. Just because I find it a lot more...

Yeah. You don't want to get on a stage and wiggle at the club. When you did Evita, were you more like a guest? You'd get on stage, do a wiggle. Yeah. Get naked, tear my face off, give the kids what they want. For me, that's like a, it's a bish bash bosh. I love it. Obviously. And you get that like interaction of like, I would like to say more normal people. Cause people don't tell me to go kill myself to my face. Yeah. That's a funny thing about it. If you want. Can I call your dad? Yeah. Well,

Funny thing about that, they tend to withhold the real heavy insults for online. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That works with me. Yeah.

Yeah. And in real person, nobody ever says like, no, I've never had a in person situation. The most insulting things are accidental. Yeah. Oh, I love your, I love your style and I love your attitude. Oh my God. Oh my God. Did you know about this? Somebody said to me at a meet and greet in Milwaukee, I love your style. And they turned to Katya and said, and I love your attitude.

I would live for that. It was hysterical. It was really, really funny. We fell out. We both fell out. Also, the time that I bombed at a stand-up show and someone said, I liked it.

Like contrary to the people around her. I liked it. I don't think it was that bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or, um, Oh my God, I used to hate you. I don't know what that is. People say that. They still. Yeah. I used to hate you and I continue to do so. Thanks for reminding me why. Yeah. Oh, I have a question. Um, what makeup products do you love? Like what brands do you watch? Who do you love? Who do you stan? Who do I stan?

Drop the makeup skincare routine sis. Which when people at your level who do makeup at your level, I just always wonder what they're like. Your house is on fire. You have a few products to grab. What are you grabbing? Oh, I'm leaving the makeup. I think she's taking the hospital. I'm taking the original face that I tore off. Yeah. My idea of like, I love special effects. That's like my nerdy side. That's what gets me excited. But I can obviously enjoy makeup in general. Like you have to if you're in this industry, but yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of like, I get a bit bougie now. Like I'm on like the Kevin Aucoin life. Good for you. Do you think that the, I mean, I love the sensual skin enhancers. It's like money. It's like cake batter. $48. Yeah. $48 for like quarter of an ounce. It's like caviar under the eye. Yeah. It is a super emollient though. Like I do feel. It's cake batter. Yeah. I do feel that it maybe wouldn't totally set or. Oh no, it sets.

Okay, work. Yeah, it sets. Sensual skin enhance. I also remember they used to have blushes that were like this big and I'd be like, work. I feel like you can make any product work though. Can I ask you a question about skin? Because I just read this book that's crazy about our microbiome. Do you have skin? No, this is a prosthetic.

And that would be the... If she ripped her fucking face off in front of me, I would just die. And it was Martin Short. It's Martin Short. Okay, who would be the worst person if I tore my face off right now and you were presented with anyone? Who would you be? Callista Gingrich. Both of you. Who would you find the most uncomfortable person? Callista Gingrich. Really? You probably don't know her. Or...

Either one of my abusers or one of them. Yeah. Or I don't know what would be the worst. Oh, if she pulled this face off and it's the same face, that would be chilling. Just an eighth of an inch smaller. Because who's going to expect that it's her being her the whole time.

And then the whole top half of your body falls off and is ginger minge underneath it. Operating the left ankle. Based it on her shoulders. Well, you got me, girl. You got me, girl.

um so wait wait i so you got hooked up with uh effects people right it was kind of decide like a you talked about like a quid pro quo arrangement for the the stunt um how much knowledge prior to the big stunt has you had about prosthetics and how they work and stuff because that stuff is fucking complicated it's a science i think that's why i enjoy it because it's like you're taking chemicals measuring everything precisely and then you'll

Yeah. Convincing someone, even for two seconds on a film, that it's real. It's an art history. The prosthetic plastic surgery was the first time I had ever stuck a prosthetic on my face. Wow. Yeah, it was a lot of...

pressure i was looking at your squishy character where you have the cheeks and i mean where do you i'm can you i want to be squishy i just love enhanced beauty i like things to look a little warped and yeah i like taking small pieces and i think anyone would say this in the industry it's always it's if you can apply small changes to a face and you don't know which piece is real and fake that's a successful makeup yeah especially with the the the

The line between the... That is so difficult because I had my cheeks stretched for a video and it was so tough to get the... It's rough. It's really, really tough to get the smooth edge. Yeah. Applying beauty makeup on top of prosthetics is just like a... It's rough. Yeah. You don't use beauty products even. I won't. Yeah. Yeah. Sherwin-Williams interior... I did a Santa Claus illusion last Christmas. Which I saw and I loved. Yeah. Yeah. And when they did blush, they were like, well, we can't use blush. We have to use like a... Just alcohol-based pink paint and like stipple it on. Were the pieces...

Latex or silicone? They were, I think, a hot foam latex. Okay, yeah. We've got to do a silicone moment. Silicone. Heavy. Silicone's where it's at. You can't, it's a lot easier to work with silicone, I think. Oh, because you can put makeup on it. Yeah. And it's translucent, so you can paint it to look how skin actually should look. Yeah, grey. Grey and blue. Transparent and blue, if you're from England. Work.

Oh, did you want to ask your skin question? Yes, I do. I wanted like, do you have a skincare routine for out of drag? And what would that be? What would that be comprised of? I do drag like once a month. Work. Work.

So I can't do it. That's great for the skin. Shaving every day. Like it's just, yeah, that's the kill joy for me. Yeah. And like, it won't use wet wipes. I think it like butchers my skin. It like strips up. It does. I'll only use the wipe once I've basically dissolved it with something else. Yeah. Melt away bombs, the spray. I've actually been using a melt away spray, which actually works. A melt away spray, like butter? Do you use the one size spray? Yeah. I,

Love it. What is it called? One size? One size go off makeup remover spray. It's the finest mist of like an oil. You coat it on. And it drips off. Yeah. You leave it on for like maybe 60 seconds and you start to see the face drip off. Are you sure about that? No, it's a game changer. I was gooped. I'll try it. I want to get gooped. One size has a lot of products. That product is, I've never seen anything like it. Is that Patrick Star? Yes. And I was like, how has no one thought of this? It makes the makeup come off and a wipe like fall off. Oh, that's so cool.

And she has the wet wipes that are like extra soaked. And the wet wipes are this big. They're giant. It's a towel. Could you do it? Oh, wow. I'm cheap. I'll pull out the wet wipe and I have a pair of scissors I keep with them and I cut them. I cut them in threes. Do you really? Yes. Oh my God. Because there's only 15 in a pack. Only 15. They're expensive. 15 in a pack. That is such a good product. Yeah. Wipes fuck my face up. Well, makeup is so bad for the skin. But like a Neutrogena wipe, unless you put some remover, crumple.

- Yeah, it's bad. - And we've already shaved like days in a row. - Yeah, you have all that abraded skin. Yeah, especially if you have like three days shaving in a row, like on Drag Race, it's like so horrifying. It's so horrible. - How many days in a row do you have to shave when you're on the show? - Five. - I wasn't dragged six days last week. - Oh, this one is. - I'm being dragged. - That's unhinged. - Mental illness. - That's unhinged. - Mental illness. - But what you're doing is you're shaving and you're taking off skin and you're exposing the pore basically and then packing makeup into it. You're packing- - Seamless.

Well, that's the thing. But drag queens in general have like live fast, die young. Yeah. So like they're like, I'll look good tonight. Longevity is not the game for drag queens. I mean, we're not exactly like. Everybody in drag is either 21 or like they're a lifer. They're 50. That's why every drag show is like the mother of the house is like, turn in your music. And then like 21 year olds who are like, I'm the most sickening thing anyone's ever seen. Miss Hannigan and Annie. That's it. Yeah. Little girls. Little girls. Little girls.

100% Have you ever done a real life drag show? Yeah Do you live or you don't live? I like watching Do you know what's bad is every time I go to a drag show I don't know why for whatever reason I'll always like sitting in the front and like entertain it I love seeing the girls I love drag Every time I've ever gone to a show I've filmed a queen falling off the stage onto me I've got a whole folder on my phone It's like the curse I think because they get a little stressed out

Cause they have your beady eyes. And they've got the eyeshadow palette out back. And they're like, it's her, but is it her? Is this a stage? Are we in our house? They what? They fall on me. Oh. And then they get injured and you go, I can take you to the hospital. Hospital.

So that's where you learned how to, that's how you got your doctor's license or whatever. I'm concerned that in the UK you can just send away for your nurse's license or whatever the fuck you did. No, the UK is much more regulated than the United States. I don't think you need a haircutting license there. You don't need to like study makeup or beauty or anything. No, but there are way more banned products in the UK than there are here in the US. Yeah, that's why. In terms of cosmetics and stuff. See, that's why I'm there. Yeah. Yeah.

she's banning them she said this product's not good ban it now I'm working on my hand you are no we can cut it if you want but I want you to will you do lips do you do your own line of like luscious lips for the ladies or like filler no like glue on lips oh I love prosthetic moments are fun you can get the old Alexa Stone cheekbones they're like it's a good old one they're so beautiful how much do they cost

I don't know. Oh, love it. I think because they're handmade in the studio. Okay. I think it's, I would say around 60 pounds, but you can only wear prosthetics once. I think people forget that. Yeah, of course. Um, do you, you must love, um, Pearl, Pearl's character, Roxanne, Roxanne, Roxanne, Fab, the makeup, the mummy makeup. Oh,

that she starts with yeah she told me that makeup she's like people don't understand I'm in makeup for a couple hours just to start the makeup yes and then do the beauty face over that that's the commitment you have to I love that though yeah and she doesn't remove the makeup and then put foundation on she puts it on over it's so gross it's so fabulous it's so good I live for her yeah

So that kind of, I mean, I love you. Like you love the grotesque, obviously. I love the grotesque. I think we obviously live in a world now where everything's censored. That's which is infuriating. So I lean more towards just enhanced beauty. If it was down to me, I'd be leaving the house as Freddy Krueger every day and like living my best life. But yeah,

people are a lot more accustomed to seeing like the pumped look. Yeah. I leave the house as Freddy Krueger and I try not to do that, but I don't want to step on your toes. Do you feel comfortable talking about any procedures? Sure. There's a lot. We like to ask. Let's go down the list. What have you got? Bam, bam, bam. And also what do you count as procedure injections or what? Yeah. I love it when the girls go on,

the on the on the race oh yeah they're all like i'm all for plastic surgery i'm like girl you've had like half a mil in your lap i'm like that doesn't count as plastic surgery oh they love to be like i'm sir i'm the surgery queen i'm like you've never been put under i was gonna say anesthesia breaking your wrist anesthesia one day at the beach i'll never forget naomi small said there's really no substitute for going under the knife

I would agree. That sounds like a threat. I know. It was like, oh, you're 20 something. She said there's no assumption for going on the knife. Yeah. And then she produced a fucking meat cleaver. There is something quite like addictive about being put to sleep, like a medically induced coma, which you're paying for. Yeah. She's got to put to sleep every night. Yeah. And then you wake up gorge.

Well, you don't wake up gorged. You wake up bandaged. And then the swelling kicks in. You wake up, the mummy returns. That's always so fascinating to me because I don't have the attention span to deal with the three months of convalescence required to get to that stage. How do you cope with that? Have you had a procedure that it took a while to heal and you had to get through the bruising and the swelling and all that stuff? Most of them take, I would say, between six months to a year before.

where you see like the full end result. Oh my God. It's a lot. Hair transplants take a year. That I know. Those jobs a year. Girl, and the thing about the hair transplants is you just have, you can't wear wigs.

well you would have to take off from drag for months for that hair to like set someone had someone had it all of the dolls have had it all the dolls have had it every single one of them has had it yeah it's crazy well it's not crazy it's just whatever aging as a man is not where it's at no but i'm just surprised that people don't like that men don't lean into the fact that they can be bald and it's not a it's not even like it's just a thing it's absolutely an option i loved having

no hair, no eyebrows. It's absolutely an option. I love it. I'm so fine with it. It's way easier. But it's important to have the option with keeps. Got you, baby.

I'm just saying everybody's on a different hair journey. When I started losing my hair, I did not care. And especially when I shaved my head, I was more scared of going bald when I had hair. And then when I shaved my head, I was like, this is great. It's sexy. People love it. It's easy. It's easy. And I'll throw a little wiglet on, a little bang if I need to. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you can do hats. And when you have hair and you put on a hat, you're committing to wearing a hat all day. Yes. When you're bald, you can snatch that thing off and there's no hat hair. You just live your life. You just live your life. With keeps. Keeps.

Let's take a break. And we're back. We're back with Alexis Starr. How much, how, what is a stone in English? The weight. What is that? I have no idea. Like, don't trust me today. I lost a stone. I lost half a stone. What is that? 14 pounds or something? Do you know?

I think that's just people trying to be modest. No, no, no, no, no. It's a unit of measurement. I've put on 15 pounds. It's so much worse than I put on a stone. I lost. Stone's a lot. Stone. Like I think it's 14 pounds. I think you're right. Yeah. I'm just curious. Where'd the Alexis stone come from? Alexis came from ugly Betty. Okay. Rebecca Roman. Okay. And stone from Sharon stone. Basic instinct. Awesome. Yeah. Everyone thinks it's from. Rebecca Roman. No, I know who that is, but it's ugly Betty. That's Vanessa Williams, right? Yes. She's on that. Yep.

I've never seen it, but when I did Queen of the Universe, somebody was like, I love, what was her name on that? Wilhelmina Slater. And people kept calling her that and I was like, what are they talking about? That was my reference point when I wanted to do drag. It was like so camp and fabulous. Great character. Great diva. Rebecca Romijn. Hot bitch. Don't get me started. Her face. Don't get me fucking started. And the mystique, the full body makeup. Gaggy. Nightmare. What about the Jennifer Lawrence mystique makeup in the subsequent film?

Would you like to comment on that? Yeah. What are your, um, what's your smurf with acne? The smurf with acne. Tea. Tea. Yeah. Tea. Absolute tea. I wanted to love it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's just, to me, it's the most incredible character in the most unforgettable. I just don't think she like portrays the character.

the character like it should have or could have been done but the makeup like it's a pretty like go-to makeup anytime you fuck with the originals though that's like being nailed perfectly before they can't you can't ever outdo it yeah and makeup technology has come so far when they've nailed it 15 years ago you better come correct yeah yeah do you have some go ahead any favorite um any favorite films where you think the practical appliances and stuff are just

Anything David Marty does Like Pan's Labyrinth Hellboy Friends in Pig Is like And I've seen them In the studio Like the movies Don't even give justice To like the Like the intricity Of like

Just the skill sets that go into it. You've got like a team of 50 just building one piece that you see for two seconds. Oh my God. I mean, Hellboy is incredible. It's just a visual overload. That shit's fucking out of control. I always get dragged for this, but I always say- What was the Crimson Peak? I've never seen that. Just a gorgeous, like romantic film. Okay. It didn't do incredibly well at cinema because it was advertised as a horror, but again, like a visual overload and they use-

the original teams that they all are used to working with. So that's when like the most iconic stuff's produced. But it's rare that I see like a continued franchise where the makeup gets better. Right. Because Freddy Krueger, they did the remake. I prefer the remake because they wanted it to actually look like a burns victim. Yes. Thank you. It's incredible. He looks burned. He looks terrifying. When he turns his face, his face has pockets. Yeah. They use green just for like a little bit of like,

Yeah. His skin looks burned. He looks like jerky. Very scary. Versus the original Freddy, obviously it's the 80s. The skin is almost built up. Yeah. If you're burned, you would be smaller. It's a pizza face. Yeah. They did a good job with that.

I actually watched the making of it last night. It's a great movie. I wish people liked that movie more because I think it's obviously not the original, but it's not bad. It's terrifying. It's scary. Yeah, but I didn't like that they just made him an unapologetic pedo. A pedophile that kills you when you're asleep. That was unconfirmed, though.

He was clearly a pedo. No, he wasn't. No, but Freddy vs. Jason, when he has the picture of the little kid and he licks the back of it. That's Freddy vs. Jason, though. But like in the original, it was like he was accused of it. And then the family, the people around the neighborhood killed him. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because then maybe he's like a vengeful. Yes. In the remake, they pushed the narrative that he's a pedophile.

Yes, because they're like, that was my favorite dress. I love when she goes, fuck you. And he goes, I like that game. Literally. That is so disgusting. It's just too much. It's too much. Too scary. The actor they got was also very short. Yeah. I'm creepy without makeup. Yes. Yeah. He's William H. Macy. Not William H. Macy. I know who you're talking about. Wilhelmina Slater. It's Wilhelmina Slater.

Well, that's fun. What else? So what is the, I always think like it would be nice to see you on Drag Race, except that I don't ever think that. I think that you're too good for Drag Race. And I was talking about you earlier today with a couple of people because we were talking about the new season. I was like, there needs to be something else. Another Drag Race, not Drag Race, but another drag show, Dragula, Drag Race,

I think that you should host or create another opportunity for girls who have more of an artistic or off-kilter kind of point of view. I definitely think there needs to be, in general, more representation opportunities.

across the board. Yeah. I don't ever think it's a case of being too good for a TV show. Yeah. I shouldn't say too good. Well, you did say it. I think like, I probably said it before. It's like, well, yeah, I think it would be a waste of your talent. It's probably something I fucking said before. Also, but you don't have enough time. An hour and a half? You know what I mean? It's expensive. Six weeks of drag for free for a badge?

- That's right, you don't even get any money. - And none of the girls from the UK get visas. So they really do shoot themselves in the foot. - Wait, what? - You would think if anything, they would go on the show, get the badge and then come to the States and at least like cash in that way. But like the UK isn't very lucrative.

I believe when it comes to drag. - Oh, I see what you mean. - I made more money working with makeup brands, which is why I just like, I stick to that. - Yeah, of course. - The girls know, like it's an abnormal amount of money when you could do it from the comforts of like a studio at home. - Yeah. - Or you do it for like pennies.

Especially if you self-produce content. Those brands love doing activations where they just give you money and turn a key and it's not a team. You deliver them one piece. You keep all the money. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you work smart already. And it's like, how is, do you like working on YouTube? No. No. You don't like it? No. I don't like social media. It scares me where it's going. Really? Say more about that. Is it the TikTok dances? Because we hate those. Not TikTok. You say, yeah.

doing the bare minimum. - Yeah, to explain like health practices or safety procedures, you know what I mean? Like crazy. - And they're like 12 years old and they're like 50 million overnight. I'm like, fuck you. - It's dark. - It's so dark. - Have you ever seen, do you follow influencers in the wild?

Influencers in the wild? Publicly. No, it's an Instagram account called Influencers in the Wild where someone will see an influencer on a beach doing a photo shoot and they'll photograph them. They'll videotape them. Videotaping. So then you'll see somebody secretly taping someone doing a TikTok dance. Without the music. That's when you see it for what it is. And you're like, this is dark. They do that on the Hollywood Boulevard and I think it's the weirdest thing. I went to post about the other day, like everyone's just doing fucking TikTok dances in front of everyone. I'm just trying to see fucking Robin Williams' star. Right.

And they're doing awkward seaweed dancers. I'm like, in public.

seaweed dances in public and they don't care. We were at the AMC movie theater seeing the, well, I'm not the walking dead resident evil in a movie. And there was a child with their phone problem doing a dance while the movie was playing. No, in the lobby. I would like people were bustling around, but get the fuck out of here, child. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's pretty, it's, if you see a child in public doing a tick tock dance, you can just kick them as long as you don't leave a mark. Yeah. Yeah. You just push them in and try to tell. Yeah.

Who are they going to tell? TikTok? Yeah. They're not listening. Besides, kids could tell a lot of people they're being abused and no one will believe them. Don't ask me why I know. Don't ask me why I look like this. These breaks are giving me life. What do you aspire to do with some of your work in the next year? Do you know what? I have no idea. I'm kind of throwing shit and seeing what sticks, but I know I need to be here for obvious reasons. Wait, on earth or in LA? In LA. Yeah. Just like, it's not the forever goal.

At the moment I got here, I was genuinely like, I have no idea what I'm doing. I was like, now that I'm here, I'm like, now what? And it's been reassuring because people here are a lot kind. Not everyone. There are a lot of kind people here that I would like to say get it. Hollywood, you're like nine times more likely to be eaten walking down the street. But it's Hollywood. And even like the dog's assholes get sun. So you take the pros with the cons. Even the dog's assholes get sun. I describe my career that way. Burnt dog hole. Crispy.

You know what I find about Los Angeles is there are a vast amount of people who don't get it. Well, they don't get the joke of it. And it's dead serious to them. But there are a good bevy of people who are like, isn't this whole neighborhood is ridiculous. This whole business is ridiculous. It's funny. It's funny. And we got this many psychics in one town. It's bound to be like a hoot.

It's like that Hollywood sign right there. You go up there, you realize it's big white drywall, basically. Yeah. It's not magical. No. It's magical from here. And there's a lot of dead birds up there. There. A lot of dead birds. And it's, yeah, it's unhomed individuals jerking off at turds. Yeah. With three phones. I can like, I think I, the reason that I'm okay here now is I can appreciate the novelty of like,

The nice ones live in the fucking valley and hill. You come down, you go to the studios, you film and like the tourists fund this abnormally crazy money machine. It's created. And as long as you don't like get consumed by the fantasy of it, you can just enjoy it for what it is. Yeah.

And it makes it very, it's very inspiring to make fun of it when it's right in front of you every day. Oh, it's a source of inspiration for sure. Face work here, you become blind to it. Blind. It's so normal. Blind. And also there's a couple of things like it's exciting to live in LA because the big one, the big earthquake, we're due for it. That'll be great.

You should really come for that. Class warfare here is going to be a fucking riot, literally. Well, they want to eat the rich, but the rich here are very skinny. They're too skinny. So you're going to have to eat a lot of rich. Not a lot of meat on them at all. Eat the rich as what, an appetizer? Yes. You're not going to gnaw on Calista Flockhart's sinewy bones. Exactly. And you can't eat plastic anyway.

Tea. Tea mama. Tea mama. What happens to people when they have the surge and implants and stuff and their body's rotting in a coffin? Is it someday just a skeleton with tits? And the hair and nails keep growing. No. But it's just tits, nails, and hair. But if they have acrylics? Oh. And if they have a wig or extensions? They probably have to take the acrylics off for it. Oh, they could pry the acrylics off of my corpse.

With my, over my dead body. Well, dig me up. Film it. Yeah. Are you going to have, do you have anything in your body? Nothing as of yet. Okay. But I will as from tomorrow. Wow. Where are you going? Vegas. Vegas. And what are you getting changed? My body works in England. Like, it functions here. When I stand next to people at, like, the chapel, I feel like an iPhone. So I just need a little carving, pumping. Okay. Ooh.

Because I don't do the gym. No, no gym. No interest. Is the inspiration taking away, building? Building. Building. Okay, cool. Making people think that I've gone to the gym. But regardless, no one's going to believe it if it's real or not. We have friends with fake muscles and they look great. And also we have friends with a very like a wide mixture of sort of quote unquote natural, which I mean muscle that's made through lifting weights. You can build. The mixture does look the best.

I agree It does It just gives you that motivation Because now I'm going to be like Right I'm bottom heavy I need to

do something because once you and then once you have that bite implant or whatever it forces you to keep the proportions all like you know together because if you have like a giant butt and then skinny legs it doesn't look so good yada yada it's funny i saw gg gorgeous out the other night and i told her i was going to vegas and i told her what i was having done and she was like trying to convince me to be one of the dolls she was like girl she was like no get like the curvaceous moment like get your hips done i'm like no

You like presenting as male, obviously. I'm a man. Yeah. So whatever you get done, it'll be in the interest of the male physique. Oh, I don't. It's funny. I've had all this work done. I've got no filler in my face now. I've had all this work done to look natural because I spent years being so abnormal in appearance. I just wanted to pull it back for a bit. But I'm sure in five or 10 years time when I get bored of this face, I will do the plastic surgery thing again. But for real. And people will be waiting for you to reveal. They're like, oh, she'll pull the face off in a few months. Yeah.

And then we'll be like, oh, that's her fake hospital. Even when I go to a real hospital though, people are like, it's fake. I'm like, yeah, I love that. You're the boy who cried wolf. Yeah, no, completely. When I'll go, when I die, it's when you go, he's going to believe you, Mary. And it doesn't be the best thing ever. When you go to a surgeon who botches you, which I'm just, has happened. If it happens, you're going to be like, I can't believe this happened. And people are going to be like, girl,

let the other shoe drop. We don't believe you. Shut up. They'll believe you for long enough for you to get it corrected. And then that's why it worked when I did the plastic surgery project. Cause I'd had botched surgery and I knew,

- The effects of it. - What was botched? - First nose job I ever had, first surgery. I went in, had it for free. And I just said, "Give me a nose job." It wasn't like a, it was slightly off my nose, like it was against my cheek. - Well, when you go to the cobbler to get a nose job, it's usually a bad job. - It was bad. And then I was like heavily using Coke at the time, so. - Oh, no septum probably or whatever. - That's tough. - But it's gorge now. - It is gorge. - Yeah.

We're pulling to an end here, but I have to ask, I was so flattered and doubly flattered when you did both of us as your illusions you did on your- Flattered is an interesting word to use. I was very flattered because everybody does Trixie makeup and no one's ever done an illusion of me out of drag. That was so cool. That is crazy. That was the compromise to me. That was insane. Every day just seeing you two in my comments, I went, okay, bitch. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna do Trixie out of drag. It's so annoying. How long did it take to do like a- It takes like half an hour, 40 minutes.

- Oh, you were free. - And I don't sit down and look at the face until I'm putting the makeup on. - That's great. - Yeah. So have you always had illustrative abilities? - I've just always been good at like studying people's faces and seeing the spaces and differences

Because my face is made out of the back of my hand, I can kind of like navigate the differences. It's crazy. And you kind of build the illusion to work in a photo straight on. Oh, if I turn to the side, game over. But face on with specific lighting, it's kind of creepy. The Kati one was great. It's incredible. So you do take 3D to 2D, essentially. And when did you...

Can you draw like pictures? Sounds like dumb. Can you draw pictures? Can you write your name? No. No, because I found that like illustrative ability doesn't necessarily translate that well to makeup ability. Yeah. I'm autistic. Yeah. Could you like do a still life right now? Of? With charcoal on paper. Probably not. Okay. Just because it's messy. Okay. But yeah, it's just, your ability is wild in the face. But could you do a still life of charcoal using fruit?

Could you do a still life of fruit using my little charcoal? It's amazing what you do. I guess most people probably follow you because of the celebrity illusions you do. Do a lot of the celebrities share your... I'm sure they do. I actually beefed with one of them. I'm sure you did. You do everybody. Who was that? The woman married to the guy on Botched. Is it Heather DeBrat? She's from Housewives, right? Yeah, she dragged me.

Is she in New York, right? No idea. I didn't know who she was until they asked me to transform into her. Incredible. She didn't live for you? I was asked to go on Botched. They asked me to transform into her to present to her when I went on. Given this like crazy narrative that it's all scripted, obviously. Didn't do the show. And then instead of like taking it with a pinch of salt, she decided to drag me on Twitter. Being like, I love this, but I just don't get it. And then like she got dragged. Like she sent me like a long apology being like, my kids are having death threats at school. Wow. I went, well, you learned your lesson, bitch. Yeah.

You're like, damn. You're like, what school? I'm like, I've not lost all my powers just yet. Fuck. People really have not heard the old adage, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. That certainly does not apply to the internet. I think some people obviously take offense to it because I just downloaded the newest HD photo of the celebrity. Sometimes people are like,

I might emphasize a line that they might not want to like well yes of course to a caricature because in a picture of themselves most celebrities don't want to look like themselves no and that's the one they love I love the pictures of myself that are the most fantasy you know oh like the ones that we have just discovered now yeah I love the Nikki tutorials you did was so good she was the first one I ever did it's probably

- It's really easier when you're doing a celebrity who wears makeup, right? - I had a big head at the time as well. - She's got some real estate. That's not a reach. She's got a nice big head. - It's the distance from her eye to temple. - Yeah, she's big. - It's beautiful for the eye makeup. - It's gorgeous. - I love watching her put makeup on in general because I mean, she'll take a sponge and a full pump and she's really painting up. She's got a lot of real estate. - Yeah, it's a lot of makeup.

But you can tell she lives, eats, shits, breathes makeup. That's why it's so like nostalgic. Her artistry is another level. Yeah. I also love her fucking palette. That red she's got is so sexy. That Beauty Bay palette. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, we just, we love you. I can't believe you came and you're so wonderful. Thank you so much for doing this. You're literally the perfect guest. Thanks. I had, I went on Twitter and asked questions, but I'm- Oh, the comments? Yeah.

oh maybe i'll delete the tweet i will not be rude do people hate you yeah still i've made loads of mistakes over like growing up on the internet and i'm fully aware of it oh yeah i'm sure you're the only one too yeah but like there are a lot of crazy people here that like are so socially unaware and they're gonna end up like killing either themselves or each other so i would like to think i've come out of the other end of it like what people don't realize is um

People often misrepresent themselves with things they say. Yeah. And people often misinterpret things they hear. Yeah. And if you realize that, you shouldn't be mad at anyone from the internet ever. Nobody's perfect. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And also, it's just shut up. Don't say, you know. I wish I could do it again. Like, there's lots of things that I've made mistakes on and things that give me the ick. Like, but like.

I think that indicates growth. If you burn this persona to the ground, I know that you're able to come up with a new one. I will. That would be such a gag. I know you're going to fake your own death, bitch. I know it. It's fraud. I looked into it. Oh, it is fraud. It's fraud. But not her already checking it out. Jesus Christ. These companies are trying to pay you to talk about their products and they're like, what's your social? You're like, which one? Literally. Yeah.

Oh my God. Thank you. I love you so much. Thank you both of you. Goodbye. Wait, wait, wait. Where can we find you online? Online? Yeah. Where can the kids find you? The Alexis Stone. The Alexis Stone on Instagram. Only because...

It was the only username that was available. It's so wankery. Somebody else was Alexis Stone? Yeah, bitch. And she wouldn't let me buy it. What a fucking cunt. Yeah. On TikTok, she had to be Frederica Bimmel because someone has Katya Zama. No, I didn't have to be. I chose to be. No, I said you could message that person and get it. You said, I know.

want it no because they like they turn around they say okay i want 20 000 yeah and i'm like i'm fine with these big roomy hips yeah can i tell one and uh lifting moment before we go yeah when i first did drag race i went to buy tricks and mattel.com and it said somebody already bought it and i was bitching to a friend going somebody fucking bought my domain and now i can't and he goes

I bought it a few years ago because I thought you would need it someday. God. Isn't that sweet? Oh my God. That is, that is so sweet. That's really sweet. Do you still talk to them? No. No, I do. I do. That's a really sweet gesture. Yeah. That's incredibly sweet. Honestly, it's kind of cornball, but if you have a child, you just buy their domain that right away. That's weird. That's weird.

He didn't want anything. I was like, bet you they're going to gouge me too. And he was like, no, they won't. Cause it was me. And I bought a few for free. Isn't that nice? Humanity restored. And it's only the beginning of the year. And the world was good once again. Goodbye. Bye. Bye.

Bye.