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I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Swine off.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
In the early morning hours of September 6, 2016, St. Louis rapper and activist Darren Seals was found murdered. That's what they gonna learn. On for death, on for nothing. Every day Darren would tell her, all right, ma, be prepared.
They are going to try to kill me. All episodes available now. Listen to After the Uprising, The Murder of Darren Seals on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Topics featured in this episode may be disturbing to some listeners. Please take care while listening. I'm Andrea Gunning. This is Betrayal Season 2, Bonus Episode 3.
We're back with a bonus episode we were not expecting to produce right now. Not for another month, at least. Ashley texted us with an urgent update, and we wanted to share it with you. My producer, Carrie Hartman, took the call. So, Ash, tell me what news you just received and how it came to you. I received an email letting me know that Jason was being released. You know, one of the big issues in this podcast has been about
how much incarceration, jail time is given to perpetrators. And it seems to me that this is falling short of the sentence that he was given. Yes. So Jason was sentenced to a year, but with time served. So he'd already served 34 days, I think. So they automatically took that off of his year sentence and then
I don't know for sure, but it seems like he got some type of good behavior reduction in his sentence as well. So it's close to two and a half months sooner than a year. How is your family dealing with that? And is he going to be in your community again? I mean, we all knew he was only spending a year in there, but I think the actuality of it and he's going to live less than two miles from me and the children. That's really what scares me.
I think we're all just anxious. I know when Jason was out the first time, the hardest part for both you and for Avea was when she would see him somewhere in public. It would cause terrible anxiety for her. Have you walked her through how to handle that if it happens now? No, I haven't even made space for that. I just had a thought of seeing him at our grocery store or something. I think I would
turn around and walk out and act like I didn't see him. And, you know, that will be a good conversation to have with Avea because she is gaining back so much of her confidence. It's been so amazing these last, you know, two or three months to watch her be confident and stick up for herself. You know, she's in such a good place right now. I almost feel like she's not going to let it pierce her vibe.
She's happy. She's getting ready to start her senior year in high school. She's hanging out with friends again and, you know, doing all those normal things that a 17-year-old should be doing. And so I just really hope that when the time comes that she sees him, because I think it's inevitable. I hope she has the confidence to look at him straight in the eye and flip him off. You know, something that lets him know that,
He has no power over her anymore. Is there anything you can do to help with your own anxiety in the short term? I'm having some family and a close friend of mine come stay with us for the next week or two just because I don't know what his mindset is. I probably never really did know this side of him and I don't know what his limitations are. I try not to live...
in the future but hypothetically we go to court family court and they tell him he has no supervised visits with our youngest just because I don't know what to expect Jason has had such a poor me attitude about all of this I've lost my family I lost my career I lost my home
Now the only thing that has him tied to our life is our youngest daughter and I just don't know what he's capable of. I mean, I don't think he'd want to do anything to jeopardize his freedom. There's crazy people all over the place. What should Jason do? What can he do to make you feel comfortable that you are safe and that your kids are safe and that he will respect your boundaries?
I want him to go away. I want him to move out of the state. His mother lives in another state. I think it's what's best for him. I mean, he still has to live a life. He's still fairly young. And hopefully that life doesn't include meeting somebody with children. I want to pretend that he actually died because he did. The Jason we knew doesn't exist anymore.
You and Jason share one daughter. You're youngest, who is 10 now. What do you expect in terms of visitation? If I had my way, I would terminate parental rights. But based off of conversations that I've had with my lawyer, I know that that's not an option. Because I'm still so angry and really passionate about everything...
I thought it was best to hire somebody that can take a stance from like a neutral position to decide what was best for our youngest daughter. He'll make recommendations to the family court on what he thinks is appropriate as far as visitation, if any. When do you think you'll feel really safe again? Never. Maybe when our youngest is
On Sunday, August 6th, the Victim Notification Network, also called Vine, texted Ashley with a message. Jason Litton was released on 8-6-23. The release reason is, sentence served. In an emergency, call 911.
And after working with Ashley for over a year, Jason is out. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal team, email us at BetrayalPod at gmail.com. That's Betrayal, P-O-D, at gmail.com. Betrayal is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts.
The show was executive produced by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Faison. Hosted and produced by me, Andrea Gunning. Written and produced by Carrie Hartman. Also produced by Ben Fetterman. Associate producer, Kristen Malkuri. Our iHeart team is Allie Perry and Jessica Kreinchek.
Audio editing and mixing by Matt Alvecchio. Trails theme composed by Oliver Baines. Music library provided by My Music. And for more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Oh my God.
In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
In the early morning hours of September 6th, 2016, St. Louis rapper and activist Darren Seals was found murdered. All episodes available now. Listen to After the Uprising, The Murder of Darren Seals on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.