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Matt Taibbi on the Global Censorship-Industrial Complex

2024/9/3
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Michael Monin: 我观察到全球范围内对言论自由的威胁日益增多,许多国家正在加强网络内容审查,逮捕发表评论的个人,并制定新的法规来限制有害内容。这不仅发生在法国、英国和巴西等国家,在美国,一部分人甚至认为不准确或仇恨言论应该是非法的。 我对这种趋势感到担忧,因为它威胁到我们赖以生存的开放和自由的社会。我们需要讨论这种趋势的成因以及它将把我们带向何方。 我们还应该讨论社交媒体公司在内容审核方面的责任。它们应该在多大程度上对平台上的内容负责?它们是否应该成为政府审查的工具? 最后,我们需要思考如何才能在保护言论自由的同时,避免有害内容的传播。 Matt Taibbi: Pavel Durov被捕的事件凸显了政府对互联网平台日益增长的控制欲。对他的指控既包括平台上发生的具体犯罪活动(如儿童色情),也包括提供允许加密通信和使用加密货币的工具。这代表着执法方式的重大转变,将企业责任扩大到其平台上发生的任何活动,这与美国传统的言论自由保护形成鲜明对比。 我认为,Durov被捕可能与乌克兰战争或欧盟的数字服务法案有关,这反映了更广泛的运动,旨在迫使所有平台遵守更严格的审查规定。欧盟的言论自由文化与美国不同,这解释了为什么在英国等地对网络言论的限制更为严格。 所谓的“错误信息产业”的兴起与9/11事件后建立的反恐机构有关。最初旨在反恐的机构后来转向关注国内的错误信息问题,如美国国务院的全球参与中心。 “错误信息”一词含义模糊,容易被滥用,它正被用来为世界各地的审查制度辩护。将“错误信息”作为借口来限制言论自由是危险的,因为它低估了公众的智慧,并会导致公众对信息的信任度下降。 大型科技公司已经向政府妥协,失去了独立性。互联网公司需要争取独立性,以维护言论自由。政府正在绕过媒体,直接与互联网平台合作进行审查,这将危及民主。

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In the past few weeks, there’s been an increasing number of threats to freedom of speech around the world.

In France, authorities arrested Telegram CEO Pavel Durov for failing to adequately moderate content and prevent criminal activity on his platform. 

In the UK, since the outbreak of anti-immigration riots, police have arrested individuals merely for posting comments online. The Labour-led government has suggested expanding measures to remove “legal but harmful” content. 

In Brazil, President Lula’s administration has proposed new regulations requiring social media companies to monitor and remove “harmful content,” and a Brazilian Supreme Court justice just banned X altogether in the country. The ruling came after the platform missed a deadline to name a new legal representative there.

From Hungary to Pakistan, the right to speak your mind, particularly on the internet, is more precarious than ever. 

Even in the United States, with our free speech rights enshrined in the Constitution, polls suggest an entire generation has grown up thinking it should be illegal to say something inaccurate or hateful. Democratic VP nominee Tim Walz said as much): “There’s no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.”

So how did we get here? And, where is this all going? 

Today, Michael sits down with the intrepid journalist Matt Taibbi, who knows this issue inside out. When The Free Press launched, he reported the Twitter Files with Bari Weiss, and together they exposed how government agencies had pressured Twitter to censor undesirable information, including skepticism of Covid lockdowns and opposition to Covid-related public school closures. 

In this conversation, Matt and Michael talk about what’s happening in Europe, Brazil, and here in the U.S. They discuss the factors that precipitated the so-called “misinformation wars,” from 9/11 to Brexit and Trump’s election, that convinced elites of the need to enforce restrictions on speech. And they talk about why these efforts are doomed to backfire. 

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