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until her future was stolen early in the morning of May 17th, 1990. She drove her cab to the iconic Banff Springs Hotel and picked up two women and one man. Ten minutes later, she was found murdered. Police believed a passenger tried to rob her. She struggled and was able to flee the taxi, but her attacker chased her down and stabbed her 17 times.

In Lucy's final moments, she made sure her killer left evidence behind. Because she fought back, she injured her attacker, who left a trail of blood as he fled the scene. Police had the killer's DNA. The problem was identifying whose blood it was that marked the stolen cab. And that turned out to be like finding a needle in a haystack. Banff is an area popular with tourists.

And there were a lot of tourists from other countries there. So any one of those tourists could have had an opportunity to commit a crime and then return to their country of origin. I'm Nancy Hixt, a senior crime reporter for Global News. Today on Crime Beat, I share the groundbreaking techniques investigators used to track Lucy's killer. This is the conclusion of Murder in the Mountains.

In the fall of 1991, a young man from Ontario followed his heart west to Banff, Alberta. My girlfriend was working at the top of the Sulphur Mountain Gondola. And first or second day out there, after I got settled, I went out there to see her for lunch. Duane Jung rode the gondola up the mountain in awe of the spectacular and breathtaking views of Banff.

But his attention was drawn to a poster about a murder investigation. What I noticed about the poster is I've always been intrigued by true crime. That's the type of book I would read. That's the type of show I will watch. The picture of Lucy Turmill herself and the murder weapon. And just, it drew me to it. And I just read the short description on the poster itself about what had actually happened. He met up with his girlfriend, but his mind was still on the poster.

I met her at her lunch break. We went over to the little cafe area and sat and had her lunch and a quick bite to eat. And it just came up about the Help Wanted poster, how the details on it, how it hadn't been solved. There was a, I believe the crime took place in 1990 and the police were basically at a standstill and had no further leads on it. Duane said he was shocked to learn his girlfriend already knew about the homicide.

So I asked her a little bit, I asked her, well, how does she know about it? And she told me that her roommate's family was family friends of the gentleman that committed the murder and his family. And of course, at the time, all three of us were living in the same apartment, so...

I did bring it up and I said, I'd like to chat about it tonight. I was very intrigued. I was asking questions. I was asking, how did she know? Why did she not go to the police? Why did she not confront the family about it yet? DeWayne couldn't believe it. And true to his promise, that night at their apartment, he asked the roommate what she knew about the murder in the mountains.

She was very open and upfront about it. She did tell me that, yeah, I know who it was. And I asked her, obviously, how do you know? And if you look at the wanted poster at the time, it had a very distinct knife. That was the murder weapon used to kill Mr. Mel.

And she said, I know where that knife came from. It was very distinct. It was a present to the murderer from his parents on a recent trip that the families took to Mexico. And the knife was a very Mexican, very detailed, very artistic type of knife. Duane said he was in disbelief.

And I asked her, I said, are you sure? And of course she said, yeah. She said, that is definitely the knife that was given to Ryan. And I said, well, how come nobody said anything? The police are at a standstill and this poor young lady lost her life. And her answer to me, that, and it didn't sit very well, was that, well, it's family and I can't,

I can't bring it up because it's family. At some point, I do remember asking her, I said, well, this doesn't sit well with me. I can't just sit there and not do anything about it. And she was very comfortable that I did bring forward to the police. I think she was very happy that somebody did. She couldn't do it herself, but I think she did feel there was no hesitation when I did tell her I was going to go to the police and talk to them about it.

I got his full name, obviously, Ryan Love. And she had no hesitation, as I said, with giving his name. Dwayne Jung contacted the Banff RCMP. I shared with him exactly what I've just told you, that

Travelling here from Ontario, saw the poster, asked my girlfriend. Girlfriend knew the friend and the friend provided the name of Ryan Love. He did ask how certain I was, how certain she was. She was very certain that that was the knife that belonged to Ryan.

He was interviewed by the RCMP a couple of times. His girlfriend's roommate never reached out to police, but eventually, RCMP tracked her down for a statement and she corroborated what DeWayne had shared. In 1991, more than a year and a half after Lucy Turmel's murder, investigators finally had a possible break in the case.

At minimum, lead investigator RCMP Corporal Doug Morrison said they needed to compare Ryan Love's DNA with the sample taken from the cab. We wanted to get this guy eliminated or make him number one. At the same time, officers were reviewing their files. And that's when they realized that Ryan Love came up during the initial door-to-door canvas.

That was one of the persons that worked at the Banff Springs Hotel and stayed at the annex. We were able to determine that that person that owned that sheath, that was a leather container that you would carry the knife in, had gone, left Banff and was going to a family reunion in Thunder Bay, Ontario.

You may remember from the last episode, Ryan Love's then-roommate told police he believed the owner of the knife left Banff before Lucy Turmel was killed. But Love was never interviewed or officially cleared as a suspect. You know, he was an 18-year-old young guy that basically, when we saw photographs of him, really fit into kind of the physical profile as well.

And so now we know that that's his knife sheath. There's no knife. We have the knife, but now we have this person saying, well, Ryan Jason Love always had this knife and he carried it with him. So now the bells and whistles are going off all over the place. Ready for your next adventure? KLM Royal Dutch Airlines brings you Real Deal Days, your chance to uncover real adventures and create real memories.

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Ryan Love was now living with his parents in Duncan, B.C., a city in the southern part of Vancouver Island, about halfway between Victoria and Nanaimo. Officers were sent to pay him a visit. The date is the 31st of December, 1991. The time now is 3.43 p.m. This is Constable Dave Bate. And present with me is Constable Brad Sawchuck.

And Ryan Jason Love, spelled L-O-V-E. The interview was audio recorded. Well, Ryan, we'd like to talk to you concerning a knife, which we think you owned at one point at least, and which may have been used in the murder of Lucy Turmel, who was murdered on the 17th of May, 1990.

Much to the surprise of investigators, Ryan Love said it was his knife. He went on to point out some very distinct features to prove it was his. "I tested my battery with it once." "Can you show me just what you're pointing to with the knife height?" "Oh, just right here. Right there."

There's a gouge out of it. Oh, yeah. And it's the same size. Well, I took it and I put it on my battery to see if my batteries were working. Got a bunch of sparks, yeah. I got it in Mexico a long, long time ago. And I haven't seen it since now. Okay. So when was the last time you did see the knife? Oh, God. Who knows? Our room was a mess. I remember the sheath being there, though. So did you go looking for the knife? Kind of, yeah. We went and had a dig for it, but it didn't really occur to me.

Police pushed him further about the homicide. I think so. I'm not sure because I left for... Yeah, but I left for Ontario too.

Love told officers he frequented the bar at the Bam Springs Hotel where Lucy Turmel had picked up her final fares. I knew she was from Quebec, I think.

Officers pressed on. It's a pretty graphic question there.

Pretty morbid thought, isn't it? Well, yeah. But it made me want to see where you're going with something. That's what we're here to find out. Yeah, you're getting into real touch here. I'm asking you if you have some explanation or ideas on how that could have happened. I mean, obviously it left my place and somebody took it. But, you know, that's my opinion. You may have a different one. You may be trying to get at a different one. But I imagine this is a big excitement with a big break in the case kind of thing. Yeah.

But I mean, any fool can see that you're pointing at three possibilities. There's one, somebody took it. One, I went and took it. And the third one, what's the third one? Okay, two possibilities. Somebody took it and then I took it, yeah. Or I'm involved in this somehow. The interview continued for nearly an hour. At the end, investigators asked Love if he would provide a blood sample. I don't know if you've heard about DNA testing or not, but

Over the next few months, police made several attempts to get a voluntary blood sample from Ryan Love, with no success.

During one of those interviews, an officer brought the actual murder weapon with him and showed it to Love. With both his father and lawyer present, again, Love positively identified the knife as his. On that date, Love said he remembered seeing the weapon about two weeks before the murder had happened, at his apartment in the Banff Springs employee annex.

Love told the officer he remembered showing the knife to his friends in his room. But when pushed on how the knife ended up separated from its sheath, and ultimately how it went missing, he didn't have an explanation. Again, Love was asked to provide a blood sample for DNA comparison. But again, he refused. Love's lawyer also received a kit so a sample could be taken by his family physician.

But that never happened. In May of 1992, two years after Lucy Trammell's death, Corporal Doug Morrison took a turn speaking with Love. Again, this interview took place at his parents' home in Duncan with Love's father present. You know, how did you get the knife and blah, blah, blah. So this is where he tells us the story that his grandfather, when they were in Mexico, had bought it for Ryan. And then Ryan had

taken along when he moved to do work in Banff. So the knife was there, but he still had the sheath, but he'd lost the knife. Corporal Morrison showed Love photos of the murder weapon. And again, he positively identified the knife as his. Morrison took note of two scars on Love's left hand and arm.

During this conversation, Corporal Morrison said Love was noticeably upset, which differed from his previous encounters with police. And when he pushed for a blood sample, Love asked to talk to his mother and his lawyer, but ultimately refused. He said, I'm going to go, I want to go see a lawyer. So I said, OK, we'll talk to your lawyer because Ryan will be back.

You know, we're not going to go away until we resolve this issue that either you're not the person, if you're not the person, fine, we'll move on. You'll help us out in our investigation because we have a number of people else we still have to talk to. So help us out. If you're not the person, give us a sample. We'll be moving on. We're not going to let this thing die. And that's what I said to Ryan. I said, you know, until we eliminate you, Ryan, you're number one on our hit list.

By then, all other suspects had been cleared. All they needed was a blood sample to either clear or confirm Ryan Love was the killer. Police decided to try an undercover operation to get a DNA sample for comparison. You'll recall experts from the RCMP lab in Ottawa had been providing guidance to investigators and had already examined hundreds of other samples related to the case.

Here's forensic scientist Gary Verrett. Based on the conversations I had with them, I told them what type of samples would work best. A pulled hair sample, a mouth swab, a blood sample. So the police had to use their investigative techniques as best they could without alerting the suspect.

that they were trying to seize a DNA sample from him in order to be comparing the profile to the blood in the taxicab. Before he knew it, Ryan Love had two new friends, introduced to him through a mutual acquaintance in BC. He had no idea they were undercover officers, and they hit it off right away. On the same day they met, they went to an area in Duncan known as "The Bush."

It's actually a historical site, located on the Coetian First Nation. And it's called the Stone Church, as it's literally made of stones. According to Heritage BC, it was built in 1870. It's also called the Butter Church, as it was paid for by funds from the sale of butter. Since the 1980s, it's been abandoned, but people often go to take photos because of its interesting architecture.

But it's also a little bit eerie as it sits alone atop a hill with all the windows gone. If you Google it, you'll see a lot of online discussions about rumors of the church being haunted. It's also a place people like to go and party. So this became the backdrop for a covert scenario aimed at obtaining some of Ryan Love's DNA. Here again is Corporal Doug Morrison. They were out there drinking beer and

apparently smoking marijuana or whatever the case might be and they were discussing cowlicks and unbeknownst to me but to get rid of a cowlick you just pull it out and so one of the operators reached across and said well that's how you get rid of it and they pulled out got four or five hair strands and of course that's with the roots so that's

exceptionally good evidence to either eliminate Ryan Jason Love or bring him right up to number 10 in our hit parade. So as the night wore on, that's exactly what they did. They were trying to put hats on him and so on and so forth. But it came down to basically cowlick, let's fix that. So we'll pull the hair out.

The sample was sent to the RCMP forensic lab in Ottawa where Gary Verrett was ready to test it. You get excellent sample from hairs that are actively growing so it was a pretty good technique to use and they followed the advice that we provided them in order to get a sample that was as pristine in nature as possible so to limit any possible contamination or breakdown of sample that would not yield a result.

I had a record of the profile from the DNA from the blood sample from the taxi cab and then I proceeded to compare it to the DNA profile that they had obtained from this suspect, the hair sample that they obtained from the suspect. And right away, I looked at it and I said, we've got a hit. We've got a match. As Verrett conducted further testing, he found not only was love a match, but he uncovered a rare genetic characteristic.

Typically when you're looking at a DNA profile, you're looking at two bands, two bands of DNA, two fragments of DNA and that becomes the information here that comes from your mother and your father. So you inherit half your DNA from your mom and half from your dad. So typically you're looking at these two areas of interest for DNA, for each profile, for each person. In one specific test, the individual had three profiles.

I had a three banded pattern for one test that matched the suspect and his known sample had the same three banded pattern. So just looking at the odds of that happening, it was astronomical.

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More than two years after Lucy Turmel was killed, DNA identified her killer. But Ryan Love wasn't arrested.

There was a team of prosecutors working with police, and they wanted to make sure they had enough evidence for a trial, but also any possible appeals. This was the first murder prosecution in Alberta where the only evidence was DNA. And so because we didn't have witnesses, we didn't have that type of evidence, we were left with DNA profiles and yes, a transient population.

Jonathan Hack worked as a prosecutor in Alberta for over 30 years. He's since obtained a PhD and teaches full-time at a law school overseas. Hack said they flagged the hair sample taken by undercover officers as a potential problem.

It was the way that it was taken. It wasn't that it was taken by undercover officers. It was that he didn't really consent to having his hair pulled from his head. It was done as part of a joke, but he hadn't consented to that. That meant police needed to obtain another sample. But this one needed to be something that Ryan Love willingly discarded, commonly called "cast-off evidence."

That happened on the Sunshine Coast in Gibsons, B.C. on August 15, 1992. The plan was to rob a fishing boat. And so they were getting ready for that. And as part of that, they were staying in a motel room. And an RCMP officer was the chambermaid for the hotel room. And he made sure that there were clean bedding, clean toilets.

and the garbage and that sort of stuff. Ryan Love had agreed to be the lookout for the robbery. And as they waited for the boat to land, they had some drinks at a room in Cedars Inn. An undercover officer watched as Love blew his nose into a tissue and threw it into a garbage can.

When Love wasn't looking, the officer retrieved it from the trash and put it into a Ziploc bag, then tucked it away in his duffel bag until the next morning, when it was handed over to investigators to send to Gary Verrett at the Ottawa Crime Lab.

Well, then I get a new sample in the form of a tissue paper with nasal mucus on it as it was reported to me. I proceeded to extract DNA out of that and take it through all of the various steps of our protocol and then I

tested it for the DNA profile and sure enough at the first test the DNA profile matched that of the blood in the taxi cab as well as it matched the DNA profile from the hair sample they had received from previously from the suspect so everything matched. That was the green light police were waiting for. Love was arrested in BC and flown to Alberta to face justice. It was the first glimpse the public got of the accused killer.

Interpol, Calgary Police Service, most every major police department across the country has in one way or another offered us assistance. Now officially charged with second degree murder, Corporal Morrison tried one more time to get Ryan Love to open up about what had happened to Lucy Turmel.

But even after being shown the evidence against him, including the DNA comparisons from his hair and the discarded tissue, Love didn't offer a confession. You know, he's an interesting kid, you know, because he's about, I think, just late 19, maybe early 20s. And so he thought that everything was a big joke.

And that's the kind of the impression I got sitting in the interview room when I told him that we had these samples and so on and so forth. And that the people that he's been hanging around with were undercover police officers. You know, I think he just thought that this is a big joke that I haven't given you a blood sample, so you're not going to be able to do anything.

In the spring of 1994, four years after Lucy Chermel was murdered, Ryan Love stood trial for second-degree murder. Here again is prosecutor Jonathan Hack. It was a lengthy trial in front of Court of Queens bench justice. What we could put before the court was that Ryan Love worked at the Banff Springs Hotel and he lived in staff accommodation at the Banff Springs Hotel and he lived there at the time of Lucy's murder.

We could establish that the next day he left Banff, went to Calgary, caught a flight to Thunder Bay, Ontario for a pre-existing family reunion. The prosecution alleged Lucy Turmel was killed for $130 in fares and a $20 float she carried that night. You'll recall that police took note during an earlier interview that Love had scars on his left hand and arm.

Those injuries came up in court. We could establish that he had some injuries to his hand afterwards and a doctor confirmed that he'd suffered an injury to his hand. One of the injuries was perhaps not related to the murder. The other is we don't know. We never got close enough to look at that. At the time the RCMP looked at his injuries, they were just scars.

But it was the blood found in the stolen cab that the prosecution said proved Love was the killer. Probably the biggest reason that we were able to solve this case is because of Lucy Turmel herself.

because it was apparent that she had fought her assailant because her assailant had obviously suffered wounds significant enough to leave a fair amount of blood in the cab that he had stolen. And so the last thing she did before she died was to help gather the evidence that would be necessary down the road. It ended up giving the evidence that we needed because if he hadn't been injured during the

killing of Lucy Turmel, we would have had no DNA evidence. There would have been no case. There would never have been a suspect developed. It was the Justice's first DNA trial as well, so we spent a lot of time educating the court on DNA typing, DNA profiling, the whole process involved in that because we had to make sure the judge understood the evidence in order to make an intelligent decision about the evidence.

What was significant was that DNA was the only evidence. So it wasn't just DNA was helpful, DNA was the entire case. So it was a case that pushed DNA to the forefront and really tested the science of DNA forensic typing and the population genetics aspect that are part of developing the statistical likelihood numbers.

Gary Verrett spent considerable time explaining his findings, including Love's genetic mutations. In my testimony, based on the information I've discussed with you earlier about the three-banded profile and all the other matching DNA profiles in the different tests we used, I could only conclude that to a very high degree of scientific certainty, the blood from the taxi cab came from the suspect. I think the way we

Probably argued it to the judge was that effectively, because of those statistics, it likely meant that there was no one on Earth that had ever lived on Earth that would have had that pattern. It was enough to convince the judge beyond a reasonable doubt. Ryan Love was convicted of the second-degree murder of Lucy Turmel.

The judge was satisfied that the knife that had been recovered was the murder weapon because Lucy's blood was found on it. He was satisfied that robbery was the motive. And ultimately, once he was satisfied that it was Ryan Love's DNA found in the cab, then he was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that there was no other conceivable explanation other than Ryan Love was the killer.

He was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 20 years. But the story doesn't end there. Love filed an appeal for his conviction. And that's when the hair sample that officers plucked from Love's head at the Stone Church came under a legal microscope. The biggest issue in this case, aside from identification of the profile as being the defendant's profile,

was the constitutionality of the undercover operation. And so the trial judge ruled that the evidence was admissible. There was a charter application to exclude it. He ruled that it was admissible. After the conviction, the case was appealed to the Alberta Court of Appeal and the Alberta Court of Appeal decided in a 3-0 decision that the trial judge had erred with respect to the Stone Church hair sample.

But you'll recall, the prosecution predicted this problem could arise. That's why undercover officers later went to the Cedar Inn, where they obtained a second sample.

Love's discarded tissue. The Court of Appeal ruled that because of the way in which that hair sample was obtained, that was constitutionally impermissible. And so they excluded that evidence, but they were fine with the tissue sample. And we only needed one of them. So the tissue sample was more than enough to justify the conviction. Alberta's top court dismissed the appeal, and Ryan Love stood convicted of second-degree murder.

Dwayne Jung followed the case and took some comfort in knowing he helped bring a killer to justice. In the end, a young lady lost her life and I had information through my girlfriend's friend from wherever, but I had information that could help. And it did help. And reward or not, there's no way I could sit with that and not do anything about it. It wasn't about the money at all.

I did my good deed. I helped take a murderer off the street. But Jung did get a reward following Love's conviction. I believe it was $10,000. $5,000 was put up by Banff Taxis, the company that Ms. Turmel worked for. The other half was put up by the town of Banff itself. While serving his prison sentence, Ryan Love finally admitted he robbed and killed Lucy Turmel.

He was first released on parole in 2011, 19 years after his arrest for murder. Since then, Love's release has been suspended and revoked. In one instance, while out on full parole, Love was involved in an argument with an intimate partner over their breakup.

And in anger, he used a baseball bat to smash several windows on her car, resulting in a conviction for mischief in relation to other property. In 2021, he was sentenced to time served plus one day. There were subsequent concerns with his behavior, including what appeared to be dishonesty and a lackluster effort in community-based maintenance programming.

According to the Parole Board of Canada, in August of 2022, during a police traffic stop, Love was found in the company of an inebriated woman at night and in an area of town known for crime, substance abuse, and the sex trade. The board said he lied to police and his case management team about the circumstances, so his parole was suspended and then revoked.

Since then, Love has successfully completed recommended programming with good reports of progress, and the board deemed him a low to moderate risk for violent reoffending. In the spring of 2024, Lucy Turmel's brother, Louie, was once again notified that Love was granted day parole. The sad thing is he had a chance to

by the prison systems to be a better person. And he ended up to be a stupid jackass. So it was already in his blood, I think, to take bad decisions. And his history by time showed that. Lucy's murder had a devastating impact on her family. My father died two years ago. My mother is 94 right now.

It was hard for my mom. It was hard for him, but I think he managed it a little bit with less impact on him. But it was harder than my mom. She had issues going to band. She was scared of different things. She got over it at times. She moved on, but it had more impact on her.

Lucy Turmel's brother honors her by living his life just as she did. You never know. You know, you can talk about yesterday. You can dream of tomorrow. The only thing you have is today. So you can plan. You can have an agenda. You can have dreams about different things. But the only thing you really have is today. So live it. Thank you for joining me and listening to Lucy's story.

I want to take a moment to remember one of the officers involved in this case. Constable Nigel Patterson was a veteran member of the RCMP. He served in Banff twice during his 25-year career and was the file coordinator on Lucy's case. He was heavily invested in the investigation, and I had the privilege of getting to know him early in 2024.

We had an interview set up about the case in July, but the day before our interview, his daughter called me in tears. Her father had tragically passed away. We offer our condolences to his family, and he is remembered for his dedicated service to the RCMP and the community.

Crime Beat is written and produced by me, Nancy Hixt, with senior producer Dila Velasquez. Audio editing and sound design is by Rob Johnston. Special thanks to photographer-editor Danny Lantella for his work on this episode. Thank you to Jesse Wisner, our Crime Beat production assistant. And thanks to Chris Bassett, the VP of Network Content Production and Distribution and Editorial Standards for Global News.

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