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The A.I. Revolution

2024/12/11
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Ajeya Cotra
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Dan Hendrycks
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Eugenia Kuyda
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Jack Clark
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Josh Woodward
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Kevin Roose
知名科技记者和作者,专注于技术、商业和社会交叉领域的报道。
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Marc Raibert
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Peter Lee
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Rana el Kaliouby
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Sarah Guo
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Tim Wu
Topics
Peter Lee:新型AI架构展现出巨大潜力,能够学习人类思维和自然规律,从而在药物研发、天气预报等领域带来突破。其学习能力之强令人惊叹,未来应用前景广阔。 Josh Woodward:AI能够提高创造力,加速内容创作,并实现不同格式内容的转换,这将对教育和学习产生深远影响。AI的个性化功能也日益完善,应用场景不断拓展。 Sarah Guo:AI能够解决人类面临的许多根本性问题,例如在材料科学和生物学领域。AI的民主化特性使其能够惠及更多人群,例如提供个性化教育和医疗服务。 Jack Clark:AI能够简化软件开发流程,降低编程难度,提高效率。 Dan Hendrycks:虽然AI生成生物武器的风险有所降低,但未来几年AI的国际政治影响将更加令人担忧,例如AI芯片的控制权问题。 Ajeya Cotra:AI可能会导致人类专业技能过时,形成一种“过时体制”,在这种体制下,不使用AI将变得不可接受。这将带来许多系统性风险,例如对民主制度的潜在威胁。 Eugenia Kuyda:AI伴侣技术可以帮助人们应对孤独和心理健康问题,但同时也存在潜在的社会风险,需要谨慎开发和使用。 Rana el Kaliouby:AI伴侣技术虽然有益于身心健康,但也存在社会风险,尤其是在未充分考虑社会影响的情况下开发AI伴侣。 Marc Raibert:过多的监管可能会扼杀AI发展带来的机遇,阻碍技术进步和问题解决。 Tim Wu:AI对版权数据的利用问题可以通过强制许可等机制来解决,但美国政治体制的不足可能会阻碍问题的解决。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What are some real-world use cases of AI that are particularly exciting?

AI is being used to speed up drug discovery, predict severe weather events, improve vegan food taste, and enhance digital pathology. It's also helping in areas like material science and biology, potentially solving fundamental human problems.

What are the near-term risks of AI that experts are most concerned about?

Near-term risks include the potential for AI to be used in creating bioweapons, geopolitical tensions due to AI chip supply chains, and the displacement of human expertise in various fields, leading to an 'obsolescence regime' where AI systems outperform humans in most tasks.

Why are many people skeptical of AI despite its potential benefits?

Public skepticism stems from a lack of understanding of AI's capabilities and how to use it effectively. Economic insecurity also plays a role, as people fear AI will take their jobs or exacerbate existing inequalities.

What is the 'obsolescence regime' in the context of AI?

The obsolescence regime refers to a future where AI systems make human expertise obsolete. Companies, militaries, and governments may rely on AI workers, executives, and decision-makers, leaving humans as figureheads or unable to compete without AI assistance.

What are the potential social risks of AI companionship?

AI companions could lead to increased loneliness and mental health issues if people become overly reliant on them, potentially reducing human interaction and emotional growth. There's also a risk of these technologies being misused without proper societal safeguards.

What is the 'AI slop' problem, and how might it be addressed?

AI slop refers to the overwhelming amount of AI-generated content on the internet, which could make it hard to find human-generated content. Solutions include increasing the value of human-created content and developing better curation and taste-based systems to filter and highlight authentic human work.

What are the challenges in resolving the issue of AI using copyrighted data without compensation?

The challenge lies in creating a fair compensation system for creators whose work is used to train AI models. Mechanisms like compulsory licenses and attribution as a service could help, but the political and legal systems must be functional enough to implement these solutions.

Why might AI progress not be hitting a wall, despite some concerns?

AI progress continues due to advancements in data curation, synthetic data, and the increasing number of researchers working on the problem. While data and compute costs may rise, new methods like test-time scaling could enhance model capabilities without hitting a wall.

What is the potential impact of AGI on society by 2030?

By 2030, AGI could lead to AI systems that are indispensable in daily life, similar to how people rely on smartphones today. These systems could handle complex tasks, potentially transforming industries and making human expertise less critical in many areas.

What role could the government play in managing AI progress and risks?

The government could facilitate immigration policies to attract AI talent, fund academic research to bridge the gap between industry and academia, and implement targeted regulations to mitigate risks like bioweapons without stifling innovation.

Chapters
The panelists discuss the positive aspects of AI, focusing on real-world applications such as drug discovery, weather prediction, and personalized education. They highlight the potential of AI to solve fundamental problems and democratize access to various services.
  • AI excels at learning from both human expression and natural phenomena like protein structures and weather patterns.
  • AI is poised to accelerate drug discovery and improve areas like personalized education.
  • AI-powered tools are making it easier to create content and transfer information between different formats.

Shownotes Transcript

A panel of leading voices in A.I., including experts on capabilities, safety and investing, and policy and governance, tease out some of the big debates over the future of A.I and try to find some common ground. The discussion is moderated by Kevin Roose, a technology columnist at The Times.

Participants:

  • Jack Clark, co-founder and head of policy at Anthropic
  • Ajeya Cotra, senior program officer for potential risks from advanced A.I. at Open Philanthropy
  • Sarah Guo, founder and managing partner at Conviction
  • Dan Hendrycks, director of the Center for A.I. Safety
  • Rana el Kaliouby, co-founder and general partner at Blue Tulip Ventures
  • Eugenia Kuyda, founder and chief executive of Replika
  • Peter Lee, president of Microsoft Research at Microsoft
  • Marc Raibert, executive director of the A.I. Institute and founder of Boston Dynamics
  • Josh Woodward, vice president of Google Labs
  • Tim Wu, the Julius Silver Professor of Law, Science and Technology at Columbia Law School and former special assistant to the president for technology and competition policy

The conversation was recorded at the annual DealBook Summit and recorded live in front of an audience at Jazz at Lincoln Center. Read more about highlights from the day at https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/business/dealbook-summit-news

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