Slayyyter On Remixing I LOVE YOU JESUS, Third Album & Dating a STARF---ER
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Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Just Church Podcast. I am so excited about today. Not only do I love her, but you guys love her. Literally the most requested on X. Like, your stan Twitter is all about the one and only Selena. Woo! Oh, my God. Pop star. Pop star.

don't even think like pop star covers it you're just like you're really in your own category when it comes to music i don't know how to describe it i feel like i do i rap a little i do i do it all you know that's what's crazy too when you were saying like um i was like i did a whole deep dive i obviously have heard of you because so many people are like oh my god you would like love slater because it's very like the music i love that i feel like doesn't like come out you know what i mean it's like sexual it's like hypersexual yeah but it's also like you're actually talented too like you're actually like sing and write so much which is crazy rapping's crazy

crazy I saw in an interview that you were like I told my teacher I wanted to win a Grammy for rapping and I was like wait what that's why I'm like that'll never happen she like laughed at me yeah well it was I was kind of joking I was like I want to be in music and she was like well you should pick something else and I was like in you know in Missouri so it's like she doesn't they don't get it yeah they don't get it I'm from Illinois so when I heard you were like Midwest girl like you must have been so bored back there knowing who you are

Yeah, it's like, I feel like I dress really crazy. I would wear like baby spice, like big platform shoes to the bar. And I was like bleach, like white blonde. I worked at a hair salon. So I was very, yeah, you know, like, I don't know. I never felt like I fit in people.

I thought I was weird. Was this back in Missouri? You were dressing like that? Yeah, yeah. I didn't do bleach blonde until I came to LA because back in the Midwest, they would look at you some type of way. Because you're also about a decade younger than me because I feel like my era, it still was kind of cool to be platinum. Not that I wasn't then, but I feel like you were even vintage throwback with the platinum. Yeah. Well, everyone, I looked very trashy. Everyone just thought I was a little trash rat. Did you love it though? Yeah, I did. I love it.

I've always been like, I kind of own being a trashy girl. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's like the best. I think even Dolly Parton said it. She's always said her style was like a mix between Mother Goose and your local hooker. And I loved it. Like the neighborhood whore. Like you wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to be the girl down the street. You're like, I want to be that like not the girl next door, but the whore down the street. Yeah. The whore down the street. Yeah.

I love that. I think that's like, who are your inspirations when it comes to like trashiness? Like in a good way that we mean it like lovely. Honestly, with love, because I feel like she's not like this anymore, but like I loved like Lindsay Lohan tabloid era, like just like clocky extensions, like falling out. Like I still am like that. So iconic. I can't figure out the back of the head. Do you do your own extensions? Yeah. Yeah. I can never do it either. I do the clip-ins and it looks real crazy. I love it. If I can't see it, no, like it doesn't exist. That's how I feel.

I never do the back of my head ever. It's like kind of everything. I feel like now with the platinum, it's like you're still holding on to it. I like love it. Yeah. You know, it's giving like I loved like Jenna Jameson and like the 90s and like all that. The trashy core. I don't know. I don't consider her like trashy, but other people would. And I thought, yeah, like the Playboy models, the like the Maxim magazine, like bimbo, if you will. You know, I feel like that word has become like.

kind of like a funny like internet culture but like back when that was like kind of an insult like i loved those yeah the big boobs the nails the hair like that yeah me too i know you were talking about um because you don't have yours done right because you're talking about this in an interview yeah i don't wanting to go to dr saving up right what's his name roddy robin yeah i looked him up after he said it and i was like i want to get mine right he's like the tit master he specializes in like the teardrop eyes wide shut like perfect teardrop tit i

Oh, man. When I saw that, I was like, oh, I want to get them done too. Because it's so hard to find a good boob doctor. That's kind of everything. Yeah. I feel like if you shout him out enough, he'll probably just do you for free. I know. I'm like, please, Dr. Rady, please. I love surgery, though. I'm very pro-plastic surgery. I have a song about it. I think it's like...

I don't know. It's kind of cool that you can kind of design yourself. You want to look. And I think it goes like a little too. I love it too. But then there's some like extremes of it. Yeah. Not that I don't mind it. Do you watch 90 fiance? Sometimes. Have you seen Darcy and Stacy? No. They're like these twins that have like crazy surgery. They go to Turkey like once a year and get everything done. Turkey. And they have the

they have the bleach blama and I love it. They're like in their 50s and they're getting surgery. I'm like, that's going to be me for sure. That's kind of everything. I love that you mentioned Eyes Wide Shut. We were talking right before this that you're like in old Hollywood, like you love like throwback. Obviously your album is very like 80s visualized and the Eyes Wide Shut, we were just talking about this the other day. I haven't seen it. Really? Is it like, okay, this is a sex party? Oh, you would love it. It's a really, it's a crazy movie. It's like old, old, like,

I think it's Stanley Kubrick's last film, but it was Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. And it's basically the themes of it are about like infidelity in a way. And like this whole, he goes on this crazy night where he's like trying to cheat on his wife, but his wife tells him the story about how she like wanted to hook up with a sailor. And like, I don't want to give anything away, but yeah, there's like a sex party and it's, it's really, it's, it's weird. Is it like high?

is like a sexy movie or no? Yeah, I mean, it's hot, but at the same time, it's very like spooky. It's almost like scary because it's like this secret cult and there's like rumors where like Stanley Kubrick was kind of like, you know, after this movie came out, he like mysteriously died and it's because it's like exposing like Hollywood sex rings. I'm like,

I believe it though. Literally this morning, Glam was telling me about it, how there would be these sex bars. I was like, what does that mean? There'd be a dinner and then afterwards they all just hook up with each other. Have you ever been invited to one? No, but I've heard from girls, stripper friends of mine or whoever that they do exist and they will go. Oh my God. And it's people who are very famous that partake. Just hooking up. I know. And I'm like, if you're a famous person, how could you not be nervous about...

that information but they keep it all really under wraps i guess they must like take your phone away or something right yeah for sure would you go if you were invited absolutely oh my gosh i'm like if anyone's watching i would love to come oh man that would have been my dream single like just to see like celebrities there and just like everyone just having sex

I'd be like, whoa. Oh, man. That's so exciting. I love that you know people that go there, though. That's like everything. I knew they were real. And I got to see that movie. We were just talking. I love this actor named Alan Cumming. Do you know him? Oh, of course. Yes. He's in it, right? Yeah. And I can't imagine what he would be in it. Because he's never like a sexual character. He's not really in the sex scene. He plays like a hotel...

which is so funny. He's in like all of these favorite movies of mine, but like none of them have anything to do with each other. Like Eyes Wide Shut, like Josie and the Pussycats. I'm like the versatility of him. Yeah, Romy and Michelle. It's insane. Yeah, that's so, I just, I love him now because I'm watching The Traitor. So I'm kind of just like obsessed with him again. God, he was in all the great movies when we were like young. I need to see that. What is that? It's so, oh my God, you haven't seen it?

the Traitors? No. Are you into reality TV at all? Yeah, I love. Okay, it's on Peacock and he hosts it. It's like in a Scottish castle and all these like reality TV stars like from Real Housewives. I don't watch those shows but like all reality TV stars come and it's kind of like, it's like a murder mystery. They like murder people and you have to guess who did it and he's like the host of it and he comes down like fabulous kilts and stuff. Oh.

Oh, love. Yeah. You would be so good on it. I want to go on it so bad. There's a season three coming, so. You have to. I feel like if we both go, they always have like a connection of two people knowing each other from their show. So I feel like if they did like some sort of like social media thing. Or we can also be pop music girlies. I had a career for like a year. Freaky is one of my favorite songs ever. Trust and believe. Yes. Oh my God. I wanted to be you so bad. Like your career is my dream career. Come on.

You don't even understand the cult following. Your music is incredible. Oh my gosh, thank you. Freaky is a great pop song, you know what I mean? I love that song. Oh my god, thank you. I feel like I just really wanted to be Britney, kind of like you, the Britney that Heidi Montag, you listen and I just had her on and I'm like, she was another queen that I was like, I want to be that so bad. And you really emulate them so well, just that whole early 2000s. Yeah, thank you. I feel like it's just being a fan of pop music, you know? I feel like

trend cycles come and go. And I feel like pop music hasn't been, like, a very cool thing for a very long time. But it's kind of coming back, like, with Tate McRae and the choreo and, like, bubblegum pop, I feel like is... People are into it now. Oh, for sure. And I feel like you keep it alive, too. But I love with Starfire. I thought that, like, the visuals of that was so cool. Why did you choose, like, 80s vibes for it? I just love... I love an 80s erotic thriller. I love, like, the Brian De Palma, like, you know, like...

silhouette, like, slinky woman smoking a cigarette. I love the movie Basic Instinct, too. Oh, yes. So good. Like, the Sharon Stone, like, I wanted to do, like, a really dramatic version of, you know, I don't know, my apartment and my life in L.A. I, like, collect all that, like, 80s deco furniture. So I was like, I want the album cover to be, like, look like my apartment if I had, like, more budget. Oh, so your cover, the one in the red jacuzzi with, like, the glass brick wall, is that in your house or no? Oh, no. That was at this place in Vegas, this little...

Where was that? It's like a little like Moon Studios something. Like it's a guy who does like peer spaces or whatever. Oh, I see. And he designs with all that vintage furniture. But the album cover, like the one of me with like the cigarette, that was shot in Chicago in like a studio. And they brought in all the furniture. And like I have one of those like mirrored headboard old beds. So it's like this really dramatic version of like what I feel like my apartment would be.

Do you have any like hints of that in your apartment now? Like little traces of it? Yeah, definitely. Like my sheets are like black silk like to match the album and everything. Yeah. Oh, that's everything. I love it. I love a mirrored headboard. I think that looks so cool. We put glass brick upstairs and literally because my husband does like furniture design and I wanted the glass brick like Beetlejuice, like the blue. And he's like, I don't know if this is going to like upgrade the value of our property because it looks like it's from like the 80s. I think like people will be like, I don't know.

if I want this I want more modern well that's the thing too like all that 80s those 80s houses like were seen as so dated so so many got knocked down but like those old like Miami style like that like cocaine decor like that all is like everyone sees it so dated but I love it I love it too I hate when they remodel it like yeah bathrooms like pink old school marble tile bathrooms and all that stuff and like people are like it's so dated and so I tore it down and blah blah blah and it's like

now that's what makes it cool yeah yeah and all the mirrored like ceilings and stuff like all that I wish it would make a comeback I feel like you're kind of making a comeback with it like with all the design and stuff like that so you go to these peer spaces and they already are decorated like that or do you hire like a set designer some of them there I did some set design stuff for my album but everyone's like peer spaces get so blown up in LA like you'll see like other artists like everyone uses the same one so I try to like look in other cities where like they're not as like tapped into

But yeah, a lot of the stuff for my album was set designed by this, these people breakfast for dinner in Chicago. They like did the whole album cover and everything. It looks amazing. It looks so good. Thanks. I was reading to like your music videos. I think it was with interview or I think it was interview magazine. You were saying like you do them like really low budget. Like you really, is that by choice? Cause they don't look like it, but is it by choice or you said it's just hard to get money now for music?

It's hard. I feel like unless you have a song that's really cracking off online, labels don't want to make the investment in music videos because they don't really do anything anymore. They used to be a big piece of the puzzle with like releases and stuff. But now...

it just doesn't really like it doesn't really like matter as much to music videos but if you're like a visual artist and you like doing them then it's like obviously you want to have a piece of visual to go with the music but yeah like for my i have this song i love hollywood and i just she actually shot the video but we just went to the chateau and like had a bunch of our friends and like my my dj was like in the room djing and we were like doing it like all secret because like we don't want to get kicked out but yeah just like on the fly super low budget

No permission. Ask for forgiveness. Never permission. I love that. And they never say anything about it. No, no. We did a shoot once. When I was doing OnlyFans still, we did it. And I was like, I wonder if I'm going to get in trouble for shooting naked shots in here and posting them. I think they like it. It's like a cool hotel. I feel like they don't mind as much as long as you're not disturbing other guests.

They like, they don't care. - We went to one that had like blood on the carpeting. Like it had blood stains on it. Like it's actually crazy. It's actually spooky. We were gonna stay the night and we ended up not staying the night. - Really? - 'Cause I'm not big into ghosts, but it just feels like haunted or something, right? - That hotel has definitely seen some shit.

I feel like, yeah, I've only stayed there like a handful of times, but it's always a little weird. The light switches are all really old. It's like you poke the button and you know, people have died there for sure. So it's, I love, I love the Chateau though. I feel like I, the history there is really insane. That's like really Hollywood, Hollywood lore. Oh, it totally. I mean, your lyric is literally like, I want to die at Chateau. I was like, okay, that's,

But you know what? So it is so iconic for that reason, right? Because all the rooms are so dark. But they actually have good food, too. The restaurant has really good pasta. It's really good. Yeah, the Bolognese. Excellent. It's so good. I feel like it's funny, too. It's such an expensive hotel. So if you're from out of town and you're expecting this luxury hotel, you get in the rooms and the carpet is stained. And you're like, wait, what? It's so little. But it's like a bougie situation to stay there. But yeah, I love it there.

Is that your favorite Hollywood hotel? Yeah, I think so. I feel like it's just, I don't know. It's such an iconic building. Like on Sunset, it looks like this big castle. It's my favorite. That and Sunset Tower, I love. Oh, I haven't been there. Where's that one? Sunset Tower. It's right across from Saddle Ranch, actually, which is so funny. But that's like old. It's like the big Art Deco, like high rise. I think it was like Leland Bryant designed it. It's like that old building right on Sunset. It's like...

you know kind of like the classier chateau like people aren't getting down right there they're not doing like hardcore drugs or anything i only know the best western across from saddle ranch i didn't is it like next to it yeah honestly it's the really big old building i feel like you would love it the vibe it's very old hollywood vibes and like tower bar like the restaurant is really great the food's great there oh okay i have to try it out do you just like how do you find these hotels like through friends or do you just like go and hang out by like yourself i don't know i feel like

that and Chateau are like, those are really like famous ones in LA, but I'm just like a hotel girl. Like I love a hotel. I love the robe. I love having the room like clean for me. Like it's like a nice, I like staycations. I'd rather stay in LA and stay at a hotel than like go on a vacation. I agree. I feel like we only do like LA.

That's why I'm surprised I've never been to Sunset Tower because we stayed at the Andes. We stayed at like so many different ones. Beverly Hills Hotel. Oh, yeah. Which is like so great. Have you ever stayed in the bungalows there? No. That one, I've never been to Beverly Hills Hotel. Wait, really? Yeah, I've never been there. But I know that that one's like, that's like one of the most famous ones in LA. It feels bougie. And like the Polo Lounge, you've never been there for like lunch? No, no. What? I know.

You're such a Hollywood girl and a hotel girl. That's so crazy. You have to go check it out. I will. It's pink vibes. It's pink carpet. I know the wallpaper is like palms. It's really, really cool. It's very old too. It's the fun part of it.

So, okay. So you're from St. Louis. When did you come to LA? Were you like 18? I know I actually came here like four years ago. I haven't lived here for that long. Honestly, I started putting music out online in St. Louis and I was like, I was like a St. Louis, like townie. I was like, I'll die here. Like I love St. Louis. Like you'll never take me out of here. And I came here for a writing trip. I would come to LA to do writing trips for my album and I would do sessions with producers and

And I came in, like, March or February 2020. And then, like, famously, the world turned upside down. Yeah. So I got kind of stuck out here. And I was like, I'll just get an apartment. And yeah. During quarantine? During quarantine, yeah. Wow. What was that like? Because did you, like, know people? Obviously, you knew people? Yeah. I mean, I knew a couple people. It was, like, back when you could not see...

like a single soul so I was like pretty out here by myself and like it was fine I very Missouri of me I was like I want to live in Beverly Hills so like I picked this little shitty studio apartment in Beverly Hills and it was not by anything everyone was like you live so far like that's so far like no one like lives in Beverly Hills like that in an apartment but yeah I loved it it was a great first year I was just kind of just chilling yeah writing music during quarantine yeah yeah oh the whole time I finished an album and was working on that's when I started Star

was like during quarantine. Oh, okay. So it gave you like lots of time to write. Yeah, definitely. Well, Beverly Hills too has a lot of like dark lore there too. Have you ever done the Hollywood death tour? No. Oh my God. They take you all around and specifically in Beverly Hills, there's people who've been like mummified in their apartments. Like some director was like decapitated. Like not to get dark, I'm not into morbid, but it's all in Beverly Hills.

all in Beverly Hills. Crazy. And in those like apartment areas, like kind of bougie and everyone like there's so much dark history there. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. This is one hell of a town. Let me tell you. So what do you love about Hollywood? What draws you to it? I don't know. I just love, I love the vibe here. I love that it's like you're an hour from like the old Western kind of vibes and like an hour from the mountains. I just love it. I feel like people that hate LA are

I always, I'm not even from here, but I kind of like, it like makes me upset when everyone, you know, everyone's like, New York's cooler. No. Right? I love it here. I love old Hollywood culture. I love the buildings. I love the Art Deco. I just love it. I love the culture here. It's just great, you know? The vibes are just, you just know there's so many people that came before you that you're like, this is so cool. Everyone's chill. There's so many, there's like surfers and like all this different, like I feel like,

there's so many different kind of pockets and everyone that says they hate LA or it's fake, like they're talking about entertainment. They're not talking about the city itself. Oh yeah. They're talking about like TikTokers at like Barney's Beanery, you know? It's like, okay, yeah. But if you go, but like you said, the surfers, you can go to Venice and then you can go to like Santa Barbara. There's like just so many different pockets you can go to, which is like,

Silver Lake is like a whole other thing which is like super cool Quentin Tarantino just opened a coffee shop in Silver Lake and it's like so cool did you ever see Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yes of course that's like the vibes I like to me that's LA I was like oh that's so cool like Spawn Ranch and stuff like that just feels cool yeah which even like mentioning him I live close in proximity to Beverly Cinema Quentin Tarantino's new Beverly Cinema and

I remember seeing in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when they're at like El Coyote because that's where Sharon Tate had her last meal and they're looking at that theater and it used to be a porn theater and they're like can they put because it's like a really it's like an orthodox Jewish neighborhood so it was like kind of like wrong that they would have like an adult theater so they changed it yeah and so it got closed down because it was like a religious neighborhood they were like you can't have like a nudie it was like an adult theater I didn't know that

And yeah, it got closed and they reopened and all this stuff. But in the movie, like that actually happened where they were like, oh, that's like a nudie theater, like blah, blah, blah. What kind of movies do you think they show there? Oh my God. Even think about that. The area is still very orthodox. Like even now, have you been to the theater? Yeah. I saw Josie and the Pussycats there actually. No way. They show that? That's so random. I went by myself and they showed it on film. It was great. I love it.

I used to go when I moved here in 2006 I would go to all the midnight showings and that's where I met Quentin because I used to be obsessed with him and so I would go and just kind of like hang out there every like Saturday night and he used to go all the time and he was always like so cool but I just thought that theater is just so like vintage and nostalgic I didn't know it was a porn theater before that yeah that makes it cooler though yeah I feel like it's interesting lore for the neighborhood I love that you know so much like I do like you just know so much about so many things you know Alan Cumming I

was like oh my god finally because I always talk about him and be like who and I have to show like pictures and I feel like an old soul like for my age like I really I don't know I always grew up like loving movies and loving cinema and loving like I don't know my dad is really weird and would like show me and my sister like weird stuff really was he into it too like yeah he was always into movies and stuff and my mom kind of was too but like my dad was just into like SNL and actors and comedians and I feel like all these names like he got me into like Norm Macdonald when I

I was young. So it's stuff where I feel like people my age or younger might not know who those people are, but I always had an affinity for...

all those interesting because like that was like in the 90s which you were born so like 96 is like when they were on which is the year we were born so it's interesting so see did he have him on like dvd or something yeah we would watch like the chris farley like snl dvd special those are the best where you can see like all their highlights like phil hartman yeah that was such a good era of snl like i feel like it'll never be recreated i know comedy is kind of in a stale point at this time

Yeah. And I wonder if it's like because we're in it. It's like, will anyone look back and look at them like we look at Chris Farley? And so I don't know. Maybe. But yeah, I kind of feel the same. Especially with movies. There's no like good movies that come out anymore. Right. Norm Macdonald was so good. He had such a good podcast too. His podcast or he had a show on Netflix that was so good. I just loved his sense of humor too. I loved his voice. He had like that raspy. Yeah. He was just so funny. His week, I think he got fired from SNL actually because he was like so, he would just like say stuff and they'd be like, whoa. Just like off.

the cuff yeah like I love that stuff about like OJ Simpson and he just would you know like as a comedian I feel like a good comedian like pokes the bear yeah and he would do that like takes the risks and stuff like that would you I feel like you should do SNL like perform on there I would love to that's like definitely um I feel like a lot of artists that's like the big career milestone but do you think still I feel like because you're so nostalgic you would love it I don't know I guess

it is kind of big now yeah I think it kind of puts a marker where like you know you've made it if you're like performing on SNL in a way yeah I feel like you made it because you perform at pride I feel like right that's I'm like that's my making it I prefer that I love the scene that I'm a part of like I love the gays I love yeah you know you're like actually a gay icon which proves on Twitter like just everybody mentions you all the time and my mentions before I even ask like what guest should I have people just be like look get that Slater in the pocket like every do

Today even. Really? I didn't even ask. It's like wild. It's so crazy. I feel like you're a gay icon too though. That's why there's like the – it kind of like it overlaps, you know? Yeah, right. It kind of makes sense. Well, I definitely like everything you do. I was like this makes sense because I like want to do it too and it was specifically Pride because you were like at the original Pride, right? You were at the one before. It was like West Hollywood or was it West Hollywood? I think it was West Hollywood. You were because there was like a Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah. There's like two now. Right. So you were in June. You performed. Okay. So was it – what year was this? Was this 2021? I don't know.

I think, yeah, 2021 or 2022. So one year after like moving to LA, you're like performing Pride. Yeah. Which is, so do you have like management that help you? I always ask because I don't know any managers or anything like that. Oh yeah. When I first started putting music online, like I think a couple months into it, this guy hit me up on Twitter and I was so like, you know, green to everything. So I was like, mom, like this guy wants to manage me. Like, I don't know if it's legit. And he flew to St. Louis, my manager, Kenny, and we've been working together for like five years, but he's like- Wow.

So great. You can get really unlucky in situations like that where it's like someone who's like seedy or like wants to take advantage of you or like it doesn't – he always has had my best interest in her heart. And he's like a music business like nerd. Like he like knows what he's doing and he's – yeah, he's great. And so he gets you all these like opportunities and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. So cool. I always wondered. I'm like how do people get to perform at Pride? Like that really is – It's like agents. You get like – you work with like an agency that like books your shows and then you have like a manager who kind of does like the –

catch all of everything. And then, so you have both, you have both. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. And then you just tell him like, this is what I want to do. And he makes it happen. Yeah. Wow. I mean, within reason, sometimes I'm like, you know, if I was like, I want to perform on SNL, he'd probably be like, okay,

But don't you think he could make it happen? I feel like. No, no. You need to be like big. Really? You need to have songs like going. What about that one that went viral though and no one knew who they were? You remember Greta Von Fleet or something? Oh, yeah. I feel like they weren't big before at SNL. Then they did SNL and it kind of went viral.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like, I don't know, I feel like sometimes they bring on random people, then they just become huge. You have to have like a really, I don't know, you have to like really have like, there's got to be some connection in there. I wonder if it's like, yeah, I guess you'd have to like tone down your act a little bit because like your tour, what'd you just finish? You just finished it, right? You were just in Australia? Yeah, yeah. Club Valentine, was that? So that started last year in Boston. Yeah. So have you been touring six months or how long? A couple. I kind of will have breaks on and off in between, but yeah, it started in like November of last year,

And then I had like a bit of an off period and then in the new year I went and did like the rest of my tour in UK and then Australia and then now I'm kind of off for the year which is nice. - Oh really, there's no tour planned? - Yeah, I have like festivals all summer but not like a hefty like full date like run. I'm like not doing that for a while. - Do you produce your own show or do you have like help with that?

I have help. I work with a touring company, Beehive, that's really great. And I kind of just will be like, I want to do this vibe, this vibe, and they kind of make it work. It's amazing. And all your costumes are so good. That's what I was thinking about SNL. I was like, which of those costumes could you wear? Because they're all like S&M, like latex. I mean, they're hot. Literally. I guess you probably could. I mean, if Lady Gaga can wear that stuff on SNL, you probably could. True. Yeah, I would love to have you to a show sometime. Oh, my gosh. I feel like...

watching you perform just online the stuff I saw I was like this is like my kind of show it's just so I don't even know how to describe it because it's Britney but it also feels very like intimate too it's very like club kid like I don't know how to yeah it's like a little bit of both it's kind of like theater but it's also yeah like I feel like

I'm very club kid vibes in the way I like to like perform and just like run around and scream and you know. And the outfits and the chaos of it all. It's so much fun. It's also very like draggy too. It's very that. Which is like fun. I don't know. You just have, you really embody all of it, which I think is. Thank you. Were you a theater kid? Kind of somewhat. I was in choir and I, in high school, I was like pretty rebellious towards the end of like my high school career. So like there came a time where I was like,

hang out with like the skater boys and I wanted them to think I was cool and I was like yeah theater's lame and I'd like smoke cigarettes outside of like skip class but um I always loved theater and I love musicals like I love Andrew Lloyd Webber and like all that but I was never in like my choir director would be like you should audition for singing in the rain I'd be like no like

even though I know that I love that musical and I know it like the back of my hand and I love that movie but yeah so you never did you never like auditioned for plays yeah not really I would do solos in choir and that was like my big one that was like my big thing wow and what would you guys sing in choir what kind of show tunes were you like glee um some of it was like actual like choral acapella like religious music and then sometimes we would do this thing called like best of broadway taste of jazz where we would like perform like west side story songs or like wicked but it wasn't like the play it was just like

Plucked songs. Oh, that's fun. So that's like a little bit of like the theater in you. Yeah, yeah. So where would you, did you just watch movies? You said you loved Andrew Lloyd Webber, so would you go see the plays or would you watch the movies? I would watch the movies. Like the 70s, like Jesus Christ Superstar is like one of my faves of all time, yeah. Wow, I love that that's the one you pick. I'm over Phantom of the Opera. You're like, I like that.

I do. I saw Phantom of the Opera in Chicago and that was really great. That's like if you're like playing Christine, you got to have some crazy operatic pipes, which like I love, you know. You can sing opera, right? A little bit. I like if I had a coach and I really like tried, I feel like I could. I can sing pretty high, but I'm not really I'm not that like classically trained. So I'm like whatever I'm doing, I feel like I'm like hurting my voice.

I just start wailing and everyone's like, oh my God. I wonder that too. Like how people, even you on tour, it's like, how do you keep your voice? Yeah, just tea. And like, you kind of have to like go on vocal rest, which is, I'm such a chatty girl. I was going to say, how do you stop talking? I can't. I mean, just because I've seen you in so many interviews and you are such a chatter. I love to talk. I love to talk. So it's really tough. But like, everyone will be like, stop. And I'll be like, okay, but they're like, stop.

Stop talking. I don't think I could do it. Yeah. Even now my voice is like, of course, just because we did a podcast yesterday and I just talk so much. I'm like, how do singers do it when you're like belting? And yeah. Have you ever had any vocal damage? No, not damage. I mean, I'm sure I like will lose my voice because like I have some songs where I just like scream. So I'm like, I've lost it for sure. But

nothing bad like nothing crazy fingers crossed I don't get like what is it nodes people get oh yeah nodes and we just saw Donny Osmond last week he said he got like nodules or something like he said something where like butt bursted like mid performance he did Joseph and he said like the last song something just like busted like he had to get like surgery on it and stuff like that Donny Osmond he's still like he's amazing

Incredible. He did Joseph with Andrew Lloyd Webber. And that's like one of my all-time favorite. He's going back and he's my favorite. And so we just saw him last week in Vegas. Oh my God. Amazing. I love him. I just think, and he's literally like the nicest person ever. So that's why I like, yeah, he's kind of my, him, Britney Spears. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I love like, again, just like the old nostalgia when he's in like musical theater. That's like my jam for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I can never sing. So I can never be in a play. You're like, you're theatrical though. Like you have like the theater-y, like you're like a theater girl. I like, yeah, I wish I was. I think the, I was the opposite of you where the theater kids thought I was.

I was a loser. So I like really get into it. Yeah. The theater kids were not cool at my school. Absolutely not. Maybe it was like Glee brought made it cool or something like later on. I don't know. But I think Glee made it worse. Oh, yeah. I love Glee. I loved Glee, but it was like the thing that I would be like, like I'd watch it with my mom and people would be like, I don't watch Glee. That's just cringy. Yeah. Like looking back now, it's like so cringe and like also so like racist and problematic. Yeah. How did this get on

How was that on air? It's wild. I guess Ryan Murphy just being absolutely wild. Just doing it. Yeah. You mentioned your mom and dad a lot. So you're like close with them. I'm close with my mom. My dad's a bit of like a weird. My dad's weird. I have. I'm like daddy issues girl for sure. He's like, yeah, I don't really have a relationship with my dad, but it's one of those things. He's very like Frank from Shameless. I would describe him as. Oh, OK. Yeah. But like at the same time, like when you watch Shameless, you're like Frank's like a

funny and like as an adult I can appreciate like the things he would show me and like as like weird and crazy as he is I'd be like you know

he would like taught me all this stuff about like music and all these different things so you know you kind of get older and you start to like not resent your parents as much you like sure bad for them but yeah yeah he's uh he's weird do you talk to him now not really not really he's kind of sick he like has like uh he's like on kidney dialysis and he's like yeah but it's it's he's like he's like he's not a great guy but it's when you get older i feel like if you have issues with parents you kind of like grow out of that like

fuck you I hate you like you're a bad dad like you kind of start to feel like empathy more yeah for like him and his life and his childhood so I don't really talk to him but I don't have like bad like will for him yeah it's just better separate yeah yeah I was like that too I had daddy issues for sure I hadn't talked to him for like 10 years but then yeah then they get older too and you're just like okay they're getting older like you're gonna die soon I might as well yeah

holidays to have fun let's wrap this up like yeah merry Christmas happy birthday right because my dad's wife I definitely don't like what I like put up with I'm like alright I'm gonna see my dad you know it's like yeah but yeah sometimes it's better to just like you said be amicably apart yeah you know

Yeah. He sounded like he was a cool guy that was showing you like SNL and stuff like that. Yeah. He was definitely, he had such a strange personality. He was very like Rain Man vibes. He like knew everything about baseball and like celebrities and actors and this comedian and this person in 19 blah, blah, blah. So I feel like he would like spitball these facts and I kind of like have retained a lot of it. That's so you. Yeah. The fact that you can just like spit out things, it's like, it is, it's like.

You said Barry Rayman. Like, I'm like, how do you like just pull this knowledge? Like, oh, this happened and you got fired for this. I was like, wow, it's amazing. Yeah. You know, it's good. I like to know stuff, you know, it's good to know stuff. Especially, but I'm the same way, but it's also like with celebrities, it's like, I have so much useless knowledge. I'm like, why do I have this knowledge? What's that going to help? It's not, but I mean, to me, it's more useful than like math in my, in my field, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

And it's more exciting. I always thought that in school when we were learning math or science, I'm like, I'm never going to use this. Like, I just want to learn about pop culture. So where would you learn besides your dad? Would you be like reading tabloids? Were you watching reality shows? Oh, yeah. My sister, I have a sister who's four years older and she was like the hills. Like she was like, you know, your classic teen girl. She had MySpace and all this stuff that I was just a little bit too young for. She would show me and show me like MySpace artist and she would show me

just all kind of different things in that world and we'd be like oh my god Lauren Conrad is the queen and like all this stuff and like

she kind of like introduced me to like the OC and like all these things and I feel like it made me really love like Hollywood culture and like you're drawn to California yeah what you saw on TV I was very much the same way watching like girls next door or something you're just like I want to be that you know I want to be blonde I want to be like on the beach yeah or Baywatch or any of those things yeah that's pretty crazy and then when you moved out by yourself you moved straight to Beverly Hills it's quarantine time so you can't really like do much are you like a party girl now can you like live it up now because you couldn't back

then yeah definitely I feel like I've had my party phases here and there I've been like I go through like sober phases and party phases but I feel like now yeah I just love nightlife nightlife is fun I feel like I'll get to a point where I'm like done drinking probably for good but I just I love a good party I love a good after party oh what's the after party so you like go to better than the party itself sometimes you know yeah what happens I even as a young person I never went out like I'd

never got I didn't know where these parties were really what is like where how do you get the invite what's always like someone who knows someone is like oh like like you'll be at like the main party and then if you're like annoying like me you'll like sniff around like wait where's everyone going after this like blah blah oh so you ask around yeah and then you end up just like smoking cigarettes in someone's kitchen till like nine in the morning and it's never good it's never that fun but I love it kind of sounds fun it kind of sounds like a vibe just I know cigarettes and not

to promote it but I know they're coming back now everyone's smoking them like is this the new trend vaping's out everyone's like vaping's bad for you smoke cigs do you think it's I wonder someone said that they said vaping is worse than cigarettes I kind of agree in a way like with cigarettes you know you like we've known for a long time like you know what you're putting in your body but with vapes it's like I feel like

In like 20 years, like when you when people will see the actual effects of what doing that at a young age has done, everyone's going to be like, oh, because there's like chemical. I don't even get it. But there's like chemicals in it or something like that. Yeah. Anything that's like this tastes like fruit juice and it gives me a buzz like that's not going to be. Yeah. It's like, what is it actually? Seriously. Oh, that sounds fun. And so with the album Starter, are you a Starter? Yeah.

Um, in ways I think we all are. Yeah. Wait, I wish, I wish I could have been, I feel like I didn't get access to the stars. You don't even have to have sex with a celebrity to like, Oh, be a star fucker in a way. Well, it is in a way I, I, this is like, I guess this, I don't know if I've said this before, but like I named it that because like an ex boyfriend of mine who like was a star

Oh, he was the... Yeah. Who, like, I always was, like... I remember one of our last, like, phone calls we had. As a joke, I was like, and you're such a star f***er. And he was like, don't flatter yourself. Like, you're, like, no star. And I was like... Oh, my God. Right? I was like, well... But, yeah, like, I...

I feel like I've met people who it's like they keep like proximity to like children of famous people or like just all these random people. And it's like almost calculated in a way where it's like, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, like blah, blah, blah is like does this or that's like that person's kid. And it's like, I don't know, like I'm from such a foreign like Midwest world where like I didn't grow up with famous people. I didn't grow up with, you know, that in my backyard. So yeah.

It's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting for people for sure. But I think also just being in entertainment, like going to these parties, like you meet certain celebrities and you're like, you are like not that cool. Really? Like you're like not very nice. And like the like bubble people like think it's just this magical thing and everyone's so cool. And I don't know, like it's not all it's cracked up to be sometimes. You get disappointed by it for sure. Yeah. I feel like.

I know you see some I feel like the A-list ones are always like super nice like I feel like the Quentin Tarantino's like Eminem they're super cool but then you mean like the D-list ones and they're the ones that are kind of like more rowdy like Andy Dick or something I hear glam people talk about this a lot where it's like the smaller the star the bigger the diva yes always and yes and glam they know because they work with everyone you know so they're like yeah they're usually I guess it's just to make up for something yeah because the

big ones are always like so nice I feel. Yeah. You know I hear stories about like Kim Kardashian how she like remembers everyone's name and she's very personable and like kind to her whole team and it's always like yeah I guess it's just like I don't know. The ones that like want to feel more important or something. Yeah. You get like a little taste of like a little bit of fame and it like it makes the brain go crazy. Yeah. I know it really does. You get close to someone and they're like oh this is so exciting. Are you

Do you like the fame aspect? Because you're actually talented. Do you just like making art or do you care about the fame or the money? What makes your kitty go purr? What makes my kitty? Drugs. I care about the drugs and the alcohol. Honestly, I feel like I love making art. I would be making music if I didn't have a social media platform. I started without one. So it's like I just I love to create. I love making stuff. People paying attention. It's always nice, you know, to like get a career kind of going and to...

reach certain accolades and making money but like at the end of the day like I would be happy like living in like a cabin in Missouri like making songs in a closet still like living by the river like you know really you really think do you think you'll ever go back one day and do that yeah I don't know if I'd move back to St. Louis because I'm from like the suburbs I would love to like move somewhere like kind of like rural and like really like

be alone, you know? Oh, so you're like, so that's interesting because you're a party girl and you're out there, but you like to be alone. Yeah. Yeah. So would you say you're like an extroverted introvert? Definitely. Definitely. So you like value your alone time? Yes. So much so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you can, I loved living alone too for like, well, until I didn't, then I was like, I'm lonely. But for like 15 years I lived alone. I like loved it.

That's interesting. So when you're alone and you're not writing music, what are you doing? Having like a mental breakdown of some sort probably. So.

Probably. Being alone is good, though. It helps the art. Like, I feel like if I'm around people all the time, I don't have those really, like, depressive moments where I can make something, like, poignant and thoughtful and, like, put it in music about, like, certain things. You know what I mean? Like, it takes, like, kind of, like, feeling alone to, like, have the drive to be, like, oh, that's when I get, like, my best ideas is, like, being alone for, like, you know, a week.

consecutive days. Because your music too, like, you know, most people draw inspiration from like Heartache or something like that. But because yours is so like Hollywood-centric, erotic, hypersexual, like where does it come from? Is that really you or do you think it's like a character? Like Slater's a version of you. I mean, I feel like

it's a heightened version of myself. Like I, I feel like all my music is pretty tongue in cheek about stuff, but like at the same time, you know, any party or event I go to, like I'm always like the drunkest one there. Yeah. So that's you kind of. Yeah. Like I'm always like the one getting in trouble. So I feel like

For some people, it kind of is like a persona, but like I definitely like like I get down. You embody it a little bit. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, I don't know. I also feel like I'm a little more like sad girl than my music would people would believe, you know. Really? Like you as a person? Yeah, for sure. Like I feel like I can like get emo and listen to some like old like sad country music. But like no one would like think of me in that way because my music's like drugs, Malibu.

You know, they're like, you should do because country is very in again with like Beyonce doing like covers of Jolene. And you like this is the second time I've seen you kind of country dress because on Manny Morpheus's you're kind of well, you were knowing. But this is the same vibe. So would you ever completely change genres like that? I don't know. I don't know if I'd completely change genres, but I would I would definitely do like a country ballad like like an old like old school like Loretta Lynn like ballad.

type of song on an album. But it would be like mixed in with like club music, you know? Yeah, just do like every genre. Because you said sad. Like you can have like a little bit of sadness and you could do like a little emo song. Yeah, emo moments. Oh my God. Could you write different genres, do you think? I think so. I think that writing a good song is really just about...

what you're feeling, like how you kind of put feelings you're having into like the context of a song. It could be any genre or anything, but it's like, if what you're saying, people connect to it. Like, I think that makes a good song. Well, cause you've been writing songs since how old were you when you started? Ooh. Um, I mean, I've been writing songs. I got like a guitar for Christmas one year when I was young and I would like try to write songs then, but I feel like

Probably 2016 is when I was taking it a little more serious. - Wow. - And that's when I dropped out of college to try to do music and I went home and I was a waitress and I worked at a hair salon and all this stuff and that whole time I was writing songs and working on Slater as an internet. I was kind of like an e-girl, I was like a hoe. - Really? - It didn't start as music, I was doing camming and I was doing like Fyndom and all this random stuff

And like my day jobs on the side and I would like use the money to like buy beats from producers and like make visuals and stuff. Wow. Yeah. I kind of knew a little bit about this because I know I read something that you said like people weren't like respecting you after doing like sex work. Yeah. Did you find that to be true now still or do you think people kind of

it's in the past because you bring it up a lot, which I think is admirable. Like I like to talk about my stuff too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know. It, it, when I first started in music, I was probably like 22 and having been a cam girl and being like vocal about that or being like, Oh yeah, like I did like sex work, this and that. There's like men in the industry, like some like really weird, I was just treated very weird by like people. Like it's a very predatory industry and like, I'm not trying to like whistleblow or like whatever about stuff, but I feel like,

I was treated inappropriately almost compared to someone who would get into music and be like, "Oh, I'm a singer-songwriter and I make really deep music and I play guitar."

because I was so brash, my songs were about like my like f***ing and like really like horny stuff. Like these men would like sit in these rooms with me and they'd kind of just be like, it was creepy. Like, you know what I mean? Interesting. And so would you go to these by yourself or would you go with like a manager? Because I wonder if it makes a difference if you're with a guy versus you by yourself. I would go with a manager. And so people would never like in like meetings and things, they would never do too much. But I could always just like tell, I would get like DMs from people after having said meetings and they'd be like saying inappropriate stuff or like,

Someone wanted to be like a Fyndom sub for me. And I was like... They were like worked at a label. And I was like, you... Like, no, ma'am. Oh, my... I thought this was... We were doing business here. Like, what is going on? But yeah. And you never want...

Like, okay. They've since been like canceled and fired. So like, I don't, I didn't even have to say anything. It was like other people were like, he did this to me too. It does happen. Yeah. Yeah. And I know I always wait for those moments. Not wait for it. But like, yeah, people who've like done me wrong in the past. I like wait for a couple other people to say it. And then I could like tell my story too. Because you never...

I admire the people who do that first, but I never want to be the first. No. You know? Because it's just, like, scary. You don't know how it's going to be. And, like, I feel like it kind of sets you up. You don't want to be... I don't ever want to be known for, like, that kind of stuff. Like, I would rather just keep it to myself and where there's smoke, there's fire. Yeah. And things, you know, things see the light at the end of the day. Right. Do you ever feel...

Like you're like, well, this is my image. This is my brand. It's to be expected. Yeah, sometimes. Which is like the word, it's like you shouldn't feel that way. But I always think that too with me. I'm like, well, I did do it. I guess people think they should just make it in appropriate jokes because you did this. It's like what's so wrong with doing it either? It's like that's, I really feel like that at the core is like people are just so judgmental. But it's at the end of the day, it's like, so what? Like, yeah, like I posted my boobs. Right. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What are we going to do? Right. So not that big of a deal. Yeah.

really you know like you can have multiple sides as like a human or even like sasha gray she's like one of my favorite porn stars ever such a smart intelligent person was like iconic like so cool and like it's like yeah like it doesn't matter you know like i don't know the the big porn stars too they're so about it just being work you know what i mean and then they do these mainstream things they have their clothing lines like riley reed all these people they're like really smart and it's like lana rhodes you know they do their like podcast they do all this stuff and i'm like

I think people definitely underestimate people who do sex work. They think it's just like, like you said, but it's such a business and to make like the money you make off of it is like really, were you making good money? Yeah. Was it hard to like leave? Yeah.

Um, it kind of was at the same time. I feel like I wanted to just like fully like thrust into music and like my mom, I was like living with my mom and like doing this stuff in my bedroom and like she did not like, no. So there was like a bit, yeah, it was like a weird dynamic of that where I was like, okay, I should probably stop. But you know, for like a girl that works like a, like minimum wage, like hair salon job, like that side money was like crucial to me starting music. You know what I mean? So it's,

yeah, like, I don't know, people can judge, but like, it's like, I don't know, born hustler. Sorry. Same. I was like 32 when I was like, I'm gonna get into some porn or something like that. I did it for six months. It was kind of fun. And yeah, like you kind of do what you like, you know, if you especially music is so expensive. And if you're like starting self funding it, like you have to find ways to make it happen. Yeah. And I feel like that's

to me that's admirable I don't know yeah I always was like tempted not tempted but like you always hear about casting couch situations I never actually was in those situations but I always thought would I do that because I was so hypersexual in my 20s and I actually like I was like I probably would have like done it I guess it depends if it's like Harvey Weinstein versus like a hot

director like Eli Roth or something. Yeah. No, definitely. Well, and also it's like when you're young, like, I don't know, there were definitely A&Rs who would reach out and then they would meet with just me directly sometimes. And it would like almost feel like it was like some kind of weird date. Like I'd be like, this isn't, are you reaching out to me for my music? Or is it because you see my like titty pics online? And like, this is like, so it gets weird around there. But like, also, I don't know. I always liked the attention, like daddy issues. I was like, okay, like call me pretty. I don't care. We'll figure it out. Cause I,

you always hear like there was a success to it. They're like, oh, you only got it from sleeping with the director. I was like, I mean, if it's, you can do both, you know, if it's like a hot, someone you're into, I don't know. Maybe that's like the wrong message to send, but I always was like intrigued by it just because of movies. Like you said, there's just certain movies and you're just like, it seems glamorous. You know what I mean? Unless it's like Harvey Weinstein and it's not glamorous. You're like, please don't touch my boobs. Not so glamorous. Yeah. Not so glamorous. Who is someone that you've been like, have you met anyone that you're like star struck by where you like can't talk?

Um, ooh, that's like a good question. I, oh yeah. Oh man. Can you say it? We can bleep it to her if you don't want to say the name. I'm such a jackass. I was really, I went, I got invited to like a Stella McCartney event and, um, you know, her father, Paul McCartney. So I saw him and he's like, he's at this event and it was like a very, this was like the most star studded thing I had been invited to. It was like some like Adidas Stella McCartney thing. And, um,

Like the people who invited me, like, thank you so much. Like, it was so great. But like, once again, like I was like, got sauced, like the drunkest person in the room. I was going around. I was like, John Mayer's here. Like, I like couldn't, I've like, you know, like it gags me. Like, I'm not going to like sit there and be like, yeah, like I don't care about anyone like this. It was like, cool. And I saw Paul McCartney was like sitting with his family and I was like, I'm going to go say something. Like, I'm going to go, I can't, if I don't say it now, like I'll never, like I'll have never said hi. Like, and he's like a beetle. Like that would be just so cool. I'll keep it brief.

And I walk up and I was just like, you're such a good dad. Oh, like what a weird thing to say. I don't know why I said that. I kind of live for that though. Yeah. I was just like, you're so cool. And I was like, I love you. I love your music. And like, I think his wife was sitting next to him and she saw someone behind me with like a camera. Cause they were like taking a picture and she was like, no pictures, no pictures. And I was like, I just was like, thank you. I love you. Bye. And I like left. Did you get a picture then? No. Well, I mean, yeah. Was it you? Were you taking a picture? It was her.

I live for that. I'm the same way. I usually get embarrassed. Like, he'll be always, like, filming. And I'm like, stop filming, stop filming. But then after, I'm, like, so grateful. I'm like, oh, my God. Because you have them. Yeah. Because it's just, like, the moment of it. And someone like Paul McCartney, like... He's one of the most legendary people still living. Wow. Did he say anything back to you? Yeah, he was really nice. He was really nice. And I was just, like, gooped. Like, I was like... Because, you know, like, I don't know. Like, he's just a legend. So he was really nice. I kept it so brief. Yeah. Like, I know when it's, like...

you keep it to like a 15 second interaction and he was like oh thank you so much really yeah he was like thank you that's very nice of you wow that's good at least he didn't give like a shut off or something you know he like acknowledged you yeah I got to like hear his voice which was cool his accent oh thank you so much that was so good too the Liverpool accent um

Were you a Beatles fan? Yes, yes. I loved the Beatles. Like old music from the 60s too. I grew up, my mom was super into the Beatles, loved the Beach Boys. She loved Michael Jackson. She was a huge Elton John fan. I feel like Elton John was a big idol in my life before I got to the Gagas and the Britneys that inspired my music. Yeah, I loved Elton John. The costumes and the sunglasses and he was like,

I just, I love, yeah, I love Elton John. He was, I didn't know much about him and then I saw the movie and I was like, oh, the costumes

costumes are cool I didn't know he dressed like that in the 70s I was like that's pretty cool he was like the rhinestone king which I know you love rhinestoning that's like my side hobby I'm like a bling girl wait really yeah I rhinestone a lot of props in my music and stuff I'd like rhinestone like a whole human heart I've rhinestone like a gun like I love and you do it yourself how long does it take to like rhinestone something a lot it takes a while I'll usually put a movie on it's like multiple days of like many hours of like gluing and you know you get like the wax tip pen and you do it blah

blah, blah. Oh my God. I would never have the patience to do that. Yeah. We have a huge tiger upstairs that's like blinged out and it took like literally three months for someone to bling it. Oh my God. It's great. I love every, I wish I could bling our whole house, like our refrigerator. Do you bling like stuff in your apartment? Sometimes. Like I have like, it's mostly props. I've never done anything that's like too big or crazy. I've done like costumes before. Like I, when I first started, I was like rhinestoning like my stage costumes that I would wear. Wow.

Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Elton John and you are like right up there. The glasses you wore on the Maddie interview were those. Oh yeah. Did you do them? No. Those were like Gucci. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I was looking them up. I was like, Ooh, those look so good. Thank you. You did the Nomi Malone. Like even your nails today give me like Nomi Malone vibes. Oh my gosh. That's my favorite movie. Nice.

I love your nails. Maybe you could do mine sometimes. Like on second thought, I'm getting too old for the horror look. That is actually like, I feel like show girls is so funny. Cause it's like everyone, it's like known as like a bad movie, like a B movie, but it is so the music industry to a T like the way girls are with each other and the whole like darling and like their friends at first. And then like the whole like pushing down the stairs. Like I'm like, that is so music. Like, Oh yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's so, it's so funny.

funny. It's always someone younger coming up those stairs. Yeah, younger and hungrier coming up those stairs, darling. And she's like, and she gets it, you know, at the end of the movie. I love that movie more than anything. And then when I saw Ariana redo it, because we redid it for my maternity pictures. I had to be Kyle MacLachlan and I wanted to be Nomi. But then I saw Ariana redoing it with Liz Gillies. I was like, oh, that's so iconic that I

Everyone's like loving this movie again. That like gagged me too. Cause like they, it was like the settings, like, I don't know what green screen they did, but it looked like actual from the movie. Like it was so crazy. She like turns out the Halloween costumes. Oh yeah. They go best in show. Yeah.

Oh, good. And like you said, they're kind of like old. They're like old references. So I love that the showgirls is like people who haven't seen it, especially the uncensored. I used to watch it censored on VH1 where they wouldn't show like the pool scene, but you watch it uncensored. To me, that's still like one of the hottest, most erotic things to me. I love it. I just love stuff like that. Yeah. It was back during a time. I feel like movies had a lot of eroticism like threaded in it and it like,

Looking back, people are like, oh my God, that was so tacky or like, you know, body double, so tacky, like how like, but it's like, it was like, that was the thing. Oh yeah, it was everything. And just her doing like the lap dance and just being crazy with it. Just like, I

the most wild thing ever and I was like and I wanted to become a stripper because of that movie I was like I'm gonna be that you know like it's fierce yes it's so fierce it still is I mean that whole thing so when I saw you dress like her and then the nails I was like that's do you do your own nails do you bling them these are from Amazon no wait are they press-ons yeah they're press-ons oh my god I just typed in like Jesus cross nails no wait Jesus oh is it Jesus on there yeah there's like a cross I don't know if it's Jesus there's an angel I need to get that because I like

the press-ons too. Yeah. I can't commit to like acrylics all the time. I feel like I like, I need like dexterity of my hands. Oh, same. I used to be an acrylic early and I just cannot do it anymore, but I do love a good press-on. Yeah. You went to Catholic school, right? I did. Oh my God. So what was that like? That was pretty crazy. I went, um, like kindergarten through eighth grade. And then I went to a public high school cause like my family, we were like on, um,

what do you call it? Like financial support. Like the priest at our school was like, we couldn't afford tuition, but he like let us go. Cause like, it was like, like, like my mom wanted us to have a Catholic education. So they like did us a favor, but it was like, yeah, it was, it was weird. Cause it was like all my classmates, like we're from really wealthy families. Like, and I wasn't, and I lived down the street from this golf course, like, or that they all like belong to this country club. And like, I didn't. And I was just like,

I was like not cool in middle school. Really? I loved Lady Gaga. They all, I just was very, they were all super preppy kids and I just felt like I was like a bit of like a freakier person.

Lady Gaga wasn't cool. I don't know. Again, we're like a decade apart. So I didn't know. I thought Lady Gaga was cool, but she wasn't. She wasn't cool. Like everyone in my class was like, she's a freak, like blah, blah, blah. Like demonic or something back then maybe. But to me, she was like magical. Like I just loved her. And how would they know you liked her? Because I saw pictures of you younger and you kind of looked like just kind of normal, just like a normal kid. I mean, yeah, I wasn't like edgy or anything, but I just would like talk about music. I also in middle school, because everyone like didn't like me, like I felt the need to be like

I was really like insufferable about like music and what I was listening to. And I was like, you know, into like Vampire Weekend and like all these like indie bands and like all this stuff. And yeah, it was just like annoying. You're like playing the part. You're like, I'm going to be an outcast. Let me show you how outcast I can be. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

makes sense. Okay. So that's interesting. So they knew you weren't from a wealthy family. So they're just like, oh, we don't like you or something. Not even like that. I just didn't fit in very well because of it. And like, there were like girls who were cool. And then there was like a group of girls who were not so cool. And I just didn't really click with anyone. So I kind of just did my own thing overall, but then public school was great. I like met like a gay person for the first time and I was like, rock on. Life changing. Yeah. Life changing. Yeah. Like you like made

too. Yeah, that's the best. My first gay person I met was 18 when I was in LA and I was like, this is everything. Like I, nobody was out in our school, but I like, I definitely was friends with the kids that were definitely gay, but they just like, yeah. And I, yeah. When you meet your first gay person, it's very exciting. It's very exciting. I feel like I found my, like my people, like my common ground. Cause my, my Catholic school that I went to, my class was like 20 people. Like it was so small, so, so, so small. We had all known each other our whole lives growing up together. And, um, everyone would

went on to go to like the Catholic high schools. And I went to this public school that had a really good music program and it all like, it ended up being, being fine. And like, you know, finding your people and your school. I think that's like so important. Yeah. Cause when you have, when you're not around people that are like, like you were like, but 20 people, I mean, what are the chances you're going to find someone that like is like you? Yeah, exactly. Especially cause you're so like different. Did you always know that you were like different? Yeah.

Yeah. I always felt different. And I always like, I loved music so much. And I always knew that I wanted to like, I wanted to like be a movie star. I wanted to be like in music. Like I wanted to do all these things. And I feel like people in my class would not have the same, like they just, they'd be like, I want to be a nurse or like, I want to be a doctor. And I just was like that life.

of staying in St. Louis. It just wasn't for me. Like I, I wanted to go to New York city and all this stuff and you know, be like the movies. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever try New York first? Did you ever try it at all? No, I've been to New York a lot in my like time of doing music, but I feel like, um,

I kind of just ended up moving to LA first. There's more music producers here. The scene is a little bit more here. Yeah, I guess New York is maybe, I don't know, fashion, theater. It's like cooler. There's like a music scene there, but it's just not, it's not the same. There's not like as many producers to like be working with constantly out there. But I know a bunch of people who live out there that make music and they're sick. And like, you know, New York is always like so cool and everyone's,

kind of like early on trends and stuff. But I don't know if like a busy, busy city like that is my vibe. Well, you could walk everywhere. You said you don't drive. So I was like, I guess New York, but you're in a good spot in LA where you can like walk. It's so interesting. And so do you think the driving is interesting? You're like, I don't drive. And that's just because you just like don't want to learn. I'm scared. I'm scared to learn. I'm just like, I never have needed to so far. And like Uber became a thing.

Like, my friends all got their licenses first, so, like, I never needed to in high school. Oh, right. And my mom would always be like, you need to, like, get your permit, get your license. Yeah. And then, yeah, I'm just, like, I've tried to get behind the wheel, and it would just, like, end with, like, a panic attack and me being like, mom, like, you need to get in the car. Like, I can't. I can't. Like, you need to drive. It's a lot. Driving can be a lot, for sure. I just, like...

tone back on it. When you said before, you're like, if you're not making music, like, you'll be having mental breakdowns. Do you actually have, like, breakdowns? Do you get anxiety for real? Oh, yeah. You do. I get really, I get really freaked out about, like, life and music and honestly just, like, being perceived. Like, I go back and forth of being, like, I wish I could just, like, delete all my social media and, like, disappear. Like, I don't, like...

people like talking about me or like, you know, but it's just a part of it. And like, I have a thick skin. So it's not even like mean comments that like set me off. It's more just like people having ideas of like who I am or like what I'm like as a person that is like bad. And it like weirds me out. And it gets like, I'm like, this is dystopian that you think,

We have this parasocial relationship. Like, you don't know me. Right. It's like, it's too much. Do you respond to anyone ever and, like, try to correct people? Like, this is not it. This is not wrong. You have it wrong. Sometimes. And then my manager's just like, girl, like, get out of these fans' DMs. Like, what are you doing? Oh, you're like, DM? Like, privately. You don't even do it publicly. You're like, hey. Yeah, I'll be like, what you say. It's not even true because blah, blah, blah. And, like, it's, yeah. I don't know. What's, like, the craziest speculation fans have had about you? I don't know. I feel like people just think I'm, like, a bad person or that I, like –

And I don't know what the deal is. It's just, you know, like fans, like fan drama, like fans of other artists, like they always like are putting people against each other that don't even like have beef. But it's like it'll be like other fans, like fandoms, I guess. Right. Yeah. Just sometimes people talking about like my character, like, you know, I got canceled for like whatever. They just think I'm like a bad person.

That's so weird because everything I've researched about you, I feel like there's so much just love. I didn't see any craziness. Well, see, now I won't have a mental breakdown. Yeah, yeah. No, everyone really loves you. And I've seen what you're saying with the fandom, like the Kim Petras, because just the similar vibes. But I think that's just fans in general. We just talk about- That's been going on for years and years and years of music. Yeah. I mean, there's always, when there's female artists, there's fans of each artist that like-

they have like beef with each other like lady gaga madonna or like you know what i mean like there's always like that kind of um i don't know they just recently do you see the dualipa fan show up to the nikki minaj fans house no it's crazy my co-host just told me about this yesterday stan twitter there's these you know stan twitter there's like a stan twitter person that's like this is my house come at me and so one of the barbs flew to the house oh my god don't fuck with the barbs yeah i

I didn't even know Dua Lipa and Nicki were like beefy. I didn't know there was beef. But the fans went crazy and they were recording it. It was two gay guys and they're like recording each other. And I think the police ended up showing up to the person who like was trespassing and got them out or something. But yeah, I was like, wow, people really go. These stans just get gnarly with each other. It reminds me of that video. I forget like who it was about, but it was like, do you remember that? Like it's like these two gay guys and he's like, girl, you stan Zara Larson. Like, do you remember that video? No. They just like fight. They like fight in lines outside of concerts. It's like crazy. Wait, what?

That's so random. I know. Like, it's, yeah. That's so funny. I think it's fun. I think the stans are cool, like, especially stan Twitter. They're so hardcore because they, well, like, your stan Twitter goes so hard and they have your picture as their profile. And it's always really nice. Like I said, like, I just saw your app over and over just, like, throughout the past, like, year. I got it. And I was like, wow, it's so crazy. I love that it got me here. Yeah.

I didn't even realize. Like, I knew you had, like, a new album out and stuff like that, but I just didn't even realize, like, the impact you have on people. They just go so hard for you. Thank you. Yeah. It's like, I feel like I'm, like, I'm like the Showgirls movie of pop stars. Yes. Like, I, small but mighty. Like, not for everyone, but the cult following is there. Yes, for sure. I got us moment here. Would you ever do, like, a Vegas show? Oh, I would love to. Ooh. Like, you remember Peep Show? Yeah. Holly did it, and then Coco did it. I think Aubrey O'Day did it.

where it's like topless and singing would you ever do that absolutely after i get my boobs done yeah after i get the rady rabon the rady raboners what's his name rady rabon i got it i really actually really want to go with it you said he's expensive though right he is he's like 20 000 yeah it's like it's like a bougie it's a bougie boob job but it's he like specializes in like lift and implant not just implant because if you're like flat chested and you need like implants that's like not that expensive right but i have boobs but i want like the lift and implant they're the

saggy. I don't mind a saggy boob. Mine are saggy and I've had implants like three or four times. Oh, really? I've had a lift so many times and mine just keep falling. I don't know. Damn. And then at that point it's like, so what even, like, why even spend the money? You just have to keep doing it, I guess. I don't know. Mine keep getting saggy. They'll go nice for like a year and then they go, oh, whatever.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But yeah, then you could do your, I think if you got a Vegas show or Vegas residency, then you could probably do it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would love that. And people would pay to go see it. And then you know you'd make the money back. It's like an investment. Yeah. You just make it back. I would love a residency. I would like sing all jazzy. That would be so sick. That would be so cool. Yeah, I love your voice on like Trouble in Paradise where you can like really hear your like voice. Because I love like, I of course love like the popness of it all. But when you can hear your voice, it's so nice. Thank you. I love singing. I've always loved singing. Do you sing? Are you one of those people who just sings like around the house?

Yeah. Which is bad. I feel like my neighbors can hear me. Really? Yeah. I live in one of those old buildings. Like all the windows, you can hear, like my neighbor coughs and I can like hear them. Oh, so they're really hearing you sing. So when I like sing or like I'm doing whatever, like I know they can hear it. I'm like, ugh, like...

I don't know like sorry or like you're welcome like I don't know no it's like a free show we get to hear you every single night which is great do you ever do karaoke oh yeah I just did karaoke a couple nights ago where do you go K-town Max's karaoke studio it's in like little Tokyo wait what yeah it's like in a mall and you go up and it's like that one's really fun there's like better karaoke places I think in LA but I went to that one it's like a room with your friends yeah you do like the room and you can like order like sake and like do

you know, pick your songs. And how many people will you go with? Um, I think I went with like 10 people last time. Yeah. I think I've only gone to those ones, but it's like me and one other person. So we're just like singing for each other. We've, we've done that before. We went to a place in Vegas and it was just me and her like passing the mic off. And I was so annoyed. I do like Celine Dion and she'd be like, how am I supposed to go after like that? And I'd be like, I don't know. It's cute. You're like, try. Are you a good singer? No. Oh, I answer for him. Like, no, she's not.

What's your go-to karaoke song? Probably like La La Land by Demi Lovato. Oh my gosh.

Oh my god. We have a Demi. Okay, yeah, right. So you did Celine Dion. Yeah. I'm like all by myself by Celine Dion. Wow. That is my fave. Or like Mariah Carey. Wait, really? What song do you sing by Mariah? Like We Belong Together is a great karaoke one. That's such a hard song, I feel. Yeah. I love, I'm like a late Mariah stan. I'm like really into her now and I was like, I'm late to the trend. She's got hits, like hits on hits. So good. I love the movie Glitter too. I thought that was like such a good movie that she did. I just love her voice. It's everything. Can you do impressions? Yeah.

Yeah, it depends on the artist. Because I heard you do Britney. Yeah. I think it was on Grindr. I think they interviewed you. And you did Every Time, which is my favorite Britney song. I did a cover of it and put it on iTunes. I love that song. I did a cover of Every Time too. You did? Is it out? I took it off of Spotify because people were clowning me for it. You know how covers are supposed to be like you make it your own? I did it verbatim, the exact same thing.

me I was like singing along to her track like in the studio they just take her voice out I did like every vocal inflection she does I just like you can't like mess with that song so I was like I'm gonna do it no don't make it your own yeah yeah when you were singing on Grindr I was just like so good your Britney impression is like my favorite oh I just love it so much thank you yeah I do I hate doing them on the spot I feel like I get like nervous on the spot I know I want you to sing but I won't but I always ask people will you sing it I'm like

I can't. I feel like I'll like do it bad and then I'll be like, wait, wait, wait, no. Like the beginning. Right. I know. Well, when I have singers on, I always get, I always feel bad because I'm like, I know you have to like practice and rehearse. Yeah. But the beginning of it where it's like, notice me. Oh, yeah. Take my hand. I'll do it all day long. I love it. I love it.

I just think she's so pretty in that song. It's such a beautiful song. Do you know the movie Spring Breakers, too? I have not seen it. I've seen it everywhere. I know. You would love it. Because I love Vanessa Hudgens. I love Selena Gomez. And I'm like, wait, I've never seen this. It's really iconic. It's like Harmony Korine, who's like pretty like badass, like indie boy director. But I mean, obviously, he's like older now. But he did like kids. Do you remember that movie Kids with Chloe Sevigny? Yeah.

It was like that really like dark like movie about like kids in New York like doing drugs and stuff. Yes. There was a girl actress. She's like a Filipina actress. Her name's Tiffany something. She's friends with Quentin Tarantino. She was in it too. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember that movie. That's really niche. He did Spring Breakers and it's so like his wife Rachel Corrine, she's the girl with the pink hair in the movie. Okay. Like idol. Like I want to dye my hair pink because of her. Like I love it. You were pink. I was. I know. I want to go back. I want to like commit and do like pink, pink. It's a lot of stuff on your hair. Yeah.

a lot of damage. I look pink too, but... At this point, I'll be bald, so I'm like, I need to choose wisely. Your hair looks good now, but I like pink, yeah. But it's like, there's a scene and it's like James Franco's playing this like big white grand piano and it's shot in St. Petersburg, Florida and they all have like AK-47s and every time by Britney, they're like, play us something sweet and he plays every time by Britney and they dance with AKs in front of the sunset. Oh my gosh. Iconic scene. That's everything. Iconic scene, yeah. I never heard of that director before. Yeah, he's pretty cool. He also did Beach Bum with Matthew McConaughey. He's like...

I feel like he did like Brown Bunny. I'm pretty sure that's like this movie, like Chloe Sevigny. It's like he does really like art housey, but like it's like, I don't know. His style is very like it's like punk. It's like he does like crazy. I haven't seen any. I've seen kids like a long time ago. I haven't seen another chef. Yeah. Like he has a movie where there's a scene where I think Chloe Sevigny like sucks someone's.

But it's like real. It wasn't like fake for the movie. Really? Oh, my God. It's like soft core a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But his I don't know. His film style is just so it's like raw and real and like dark. Like kids was like so or he did Gummo, too. Yeah. He directed Gummo. I haven't seen that either. I don't know anything compared to you. I'll send you a list of some of these because they're crazy. Gummo's really wild. Have you ever seen those pictures like on Tumblr? It's like the boy with like the bunny hat.

or like the boy with the bunny hat like kissing chloe 70 in the pool no i don't think you've seen that one it's from gumbo it's a weird tumblr era were you a tumblr girl loved tumblr really i'm back on it right now i just got a tumblr the other day it's still on yeah what are people posting now you'll be surprised like i feel like there's like a whole subculture there like everyone has one right now but no one's really like talking about it but is it still like the old tumblr where they're just posting like cool aesthetic pictures yeah yeah like this go girl era there's a lot of like people who like post cool

And I've kind of like gotten back on it. It feels like a free space. Like it's not like Twitter, Instagram. I can be like, oh, had the worst day. Like I want to die. And like that just goes into it. It's like art. Yeah. It goes on to Tumblr. Like no one says anything. Is that your favorite social media? Right now? Yeah. Because I know you're not like too big into like TikTok and stuff. You're kind of like anti-TikTok a little bit. Not even anti. I don't like hearing my speaking voice so much. I can't imagine like I can't I never like

can like sit down and like film myself like talking there's like something about that i get really like shy what shy about it yeah you do a lot of podcasts and you're so good at them yeah i mean i feel like it's not i don't have to like we're having a conversation almost i'm not even like talking to camera yeah like when people even when people tell silly little stories we're like guys like today i went to this like i can't like do that really yeah i would feel like your stories would be so good and so iconic too maybe i should start though maybe today i'll go home and do one yeah do like a little story time i mean the

something cool too about like the like mystery like the mystery around you you know what I mean even through your interviews it's like people don't know too much about like you as a person your day-to-day your love life you know for sure I like to keep a little mystique yeah that's what I was trying to think I was like mystique yeah because you don't like your love life like your last boyfriend you like don't post about yeah no you just keep all that private

Keep it all private. Do you think you always will? Do you think you'll ever be? Maybe. If I got married, I'd post it. Would you? Okay, so then you'd be like, okay. But I don't know if I would post someone beforehand. Or I don't know. If I was seriously dating someone, I would probably post it. But I just, I don't know. It gets weird. People sometimes will come into your life for that wanting to be posted, and that's a weird dynamic where I'm like,

You know? The clout of it. Yeah. Do you date mostly guys your age or older? Mostly my age. Okay. I feel like I need to go older. I feel like I'm over the like. Yeah. The 27, 26 somethings. Like it's. Yeah. Yeah. 20 year olds. I never dated 20 year olds, but it seems like a wild pool to date in. Yeah. But you're just like you said, you said you're an old soul. So I just would assume, especially with the daddy issues of it all. I was like, I always dated people like 40s, 50s, 60s when I was like 18. You know what I mean? I never dated anyone 20s or 30s. Wow.

Wow. But maybe I need to switch it up. No, no. I think not. I think sometimes those are like, oh, yeah, it's the ick of it all. But interesting. Would you ever do you find yourself dating normal people or do you find yourself more attracted like artsy type like entertainment people? Usually like art, like people that are in music a little bit. Like I like someone that can like speak my language about like music and movies a little bit. I think it's I don't know if I could like get down with like a finance bro.

or something like that. Yeah, car salesman, accountant. Yeah, like that. I feel like our brain, but maybe because I'm so different from that type, that would like be better, but... Bounce you out. Yeah, I just don't, I'm attracted to people that are like, you know, tatted up, like...

artsy like you know like into the stuff that i like interesting okay so that's your type so you like the tattoo do you have tattoos i do oh yeah oh my gosh wait oh my god so many i don't know this i um what's the knuckles it says paradise it's for my album troll paradise all my tattoos are very like religious in theme like i have a rosary and i have the word star here you like it's religious rosary and star yeah so are you are you practicing catholic um

not like practicing Catholic, I feel like I have a kind of spirituality that's like different from what I grew up with. But I feel like everyone, like I've been like super like atheist and like I don't believe in anything. And then I've kind of like as an adult, like I flip flop back, flip flopped back into being like

It's okay to believe in something or believing in a higher power. I love religious iconography. I love images of Jesus and Mary and crucifixes. And I feel like I grew up with all of that around me. So I kind of just have a weird spirituality that's not so... I wouldn't say it's tied to a certain religion. But I'm definitely a spiritual person. So you're not doing like... You're not praying the rosary, the Apostles' Creed? No, no. I'm not praying the rosary. Sometimes I'll pray, but I feel like...

It's almost just like a practice of like what I grew up doing. Like I'm not opposed to like going to like a Sunday mass. Like sometimes that's nice, you know? I know. I was just telling him, I want to go. We grew up going to like mass and stuff. And I was like, I should go again. It was always confusing in Catholic church because there were so many saints and so many people to pray for. Like my dad gave me St. Christopher for my car. And then it's like you have to say the prayer to St. Christopher. Yeah.

Someone who had cancer would be St. Jude. I'm like, there's so many people to pray to. Yeah, it's hard to keep up. But in a way, it's like extra prayers. I'm like, well, you know, it doesn't hurt. You know? It's weird. I feel like growing up in Catholic school was such a trip because I was like, when I think about what they were like teaching us as children, I'm like, they should not have been saying, like, they'd be like, if you guys masturbate, he can see and you're going to go to hell. And we'd be like, well,

Like, look, as an adult, I'm like, whoa. But don't you think that's kind of true? I always feel like, not that you go to hell, but they can see. They can see. I always think about when people pass away, too. I'm always like, I hope, like, my people don't see me, like, my family or something. Because I wonder, you know, they, like, look down. It's just how you perceive heaven. But I'm like, if they're always watching you, do they watch you have sex? Right? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe not. Are they watching everything? Or do they just peek in for, like, the things that, like, matter? Like, I don't know. Maybe it's the things that matter. Because if you're a soul, you don't have eyes. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I feel like it's just like floating. If you're a soul, you don't have eyes. Yeah. So they're just, they're just, you know, their essence is with you. That's why people see it. It is such a trip. Yeah. I was, I never went to Catholic school, but like my dad's a hardcore Catholic to this day. He really loves Catholicism and yeah, some of the rules are whatever, but some of them are kind of funny and some of them are good. You know, there's, oh, Len's happening right now. Did you give anything up for it? No, I should have. My mom, my mom's always like, you need to

up. Like, don't eat meat today. And I'm like, girl, Friday is yeah. Like we're past that. Like, come on. But, um, yeah, like, I don't know. Sometimes it's funny just for like disciplinary reasons to like exercise those things. And like, I should have given something up, but we're fasting. I know they do fasting on days, get the ashes. I think it, it made me like, as a kid, I didn't retain so much of like the religious stuff as much, but I felt like even when I got to public school, I noticed, noticed there was a difference of like

I was like disciplined different. Like I felt like I was more respectful of like adults and like there were kids in my public school that were just like so rude to the teacher and I'd be like, what? Like you can't talk to them that way. I really think growing up Catholic gave me kind of like a, I don't know, like I kind of appreciate how I was like disciplined or whatever. Like I feel like I have like respect or just like for like

people in general in a different way like i wasn't like a crazy kid like they they would like make sure like you could not be like the teacher in catholic school yeah yeah were they like slapping your knuckles with like rulers and stuff that's what i was here no no there was one nun art teacher her name was sister barbara and she like hated my ass and they would never like they couldn't like hurt us but they would definitely you get like talked to like sternly okay so there was never you always just hear they always like with their rosaries like hit people and stuff but i don't know that's like i feel like that's like some 1960s

I don't know if they still do that. They probably do in like certain, there's probably certain religions that are like really serious about it. Yeah. Like if you act up or anything, like what would they yell at you for? What would you get in trouble for? Like if you like had something that wasn't in uniform, like I would always try to like sneak like a pink like headband in the situation and they'd be like, that is out of uniform. Take it off. And I would take it off and then put it back on after a while. And then they yell at you again. And I get yelled at again. And.

And yeah, it's so funny that that's like rebellious. Or like my iPod, there was only certain days of school we could bring music to school to listen to music. And I didn't care. I would bring my iPod, I would put my headphone in, I would listen, I would like be through my shirt. And I'd be listening to music in my desk and I would always get caught. I was also like, I would cheat on tests. I was bad. Wait, oh, so you were? I was a bad kid. But at the same time,

when I get in trouble, I wouldn't like, I wouldn't like try to like boss up on a teacher. Right. You're like, that was like the public school difference. Public school kids would try to like fight the teachers. And I'd be like, that was not my vibe. Like I would be like, what would you do? Just immediately take them out. I'd be like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And then I do it again. I'd be like, ah, I did it again. I'm sorry. You broke the rules, but then you were like polite about it when you were caught. You're like, okay, that's kind of like the bane of my existence. Like I'll break the rules and then I'll be really nice about it. So you feel bad for being mad at me. Yeah. They're like, okay. Like, thanks for not like, that's great.

That's great. Yeah. So public school was like so easy for you if the pink headband was your wildest rebellion. I dyed my hair purple. I was like, oh girl, we can go all out. Oh my God. So you like public school better than Catholic school? Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. It like put a little hair on my chest. Yeah. So you're just like, okay, meeting all these new people. And then you did go to college. Yeah. I went one year to University of Missouri, Mizzou. Oh, wow. Yeah. Is it hard to get into college? No. Really? They want your tuition money. I...

I'm not even kidding. I graduated high school and I have no shame about this. I hated school. I was such a bad student. I had ADD severe. Graduated with like a 1.5 GPA. I think that's the lowest you can actually walk across the stage and get a diploma for. Like I was like, they were like, she is dumb as rocks. We don't know.

But I wasn't. Yeah, you're so smart. I didn't care about like I hated homework. I wouldn't do my homework. Yeah, I just wouldn't study. And I just didn't care. Like the things that I loved, I would learn everything there was to know about it. And there was just no classes about like I did a really good job in like English and like my films class. Those were the only in art. And that was it. Yeah, it's very. Yeah, science. Like math and chemistry. Oh, my gosh. Physics. I was like it wasn't like I was like, I don't understand. The ball gets from here to there. What are you saying? I was like, what are you saying? The ball.

I never took one math class in high school. Really? I don't know if it was the school I went to. I was like in a little farm town too, but there was not one math class. I just took a bunch of gym classes and that's it. Oh, nice. And I was like. I was the girl that like walked the mile too. Oh, for sure that. Anytime someone's like pay to start running, I'm like absolutely not. There's no, can you run now?

Not really. Like if you had to do a music video or like a tape run or like a movie, like a horror movie? I could run. I mean like I feel like I do Pilates like here and there. Like I work out as an adult, but I was like not in high school. I was just not. I was never athletic my whole life. I was never an athlete. Like were you coordinated? Like could you catch a ball if you were playing dodgeball or something? No. I could dance though. I was like a dancer. I was like really into dance. I did like, this is so embarrassing. I did like hip hop dance. That was like my big thing.

Wait, why is that embarrassing? That's so cool. I don't know. Because, like, I just feel like, I don't know, like, thinking about, like, an 11-year-old, like, white girl doing hip-hop dance is, like... Were you good? I think you're good. I honestly was, yeah. I feel like I was pretty good, but...

You're a rapper. You rap and you do hip hop. That makes sense, actually. You have so much in you. So that was my favorite thing. Like, I love dancing, but yeah, I could not, like, kick a ball. Well, dancing's cooler anyways. Like, kicking a ball, what's it going to do? You know what I mean? On stage, you're not going to kick a ball. You're going to dance. Yeah. And your dancing is so good. So, like, on stage, like, your stage show now, do you choreograph it yourself? Yeah, it's not. I kind of just perform. I feel like I haven't done any, like...

choreo like things in a really long time but I feel like for my next album I definitely want to tap back in I loved like I love some choreographed dance yeah like Lady Gaga like where she has the big break moments and stuff the Britney Spears slave for you like it's fierce that one is everything your give me more remix is so good I was like why didn't you do a visual for that that

I know. I wish we could have cleared that. It's like, it's really tricky. I just tried again. It was like going viral on TikTok again. And we tried to get it cleared a second time. And it's like, all it takes is like one writer. It doesn't even matter how much it costs sometimes. It's like one writer to like not agree. Yeah.

And there's a lot of writers. Yeah, there's a lot of... And it's like an older song too, so it's hard to get in touch with people. And it's so iconic because you have like, it's Brittany Slater. It's just so cool. Thank you. I was like, oh, this is a cool remix. And just like the whole changing of the lyrics was like so good. I was like, that would be the clap. I feel like Brittany does do like, you know, like random claps. Not like the random, like Tanashi. Like, you know, I didn't know of her before. And then when she did it with her, I was like, oh. So I feel like You by Brittany would be... I would love to. If she ever came back to music, I would never want to like...

prod too much because I know she has like a weird relationship with it all now. She keeps saying like she would never go back but then sometimes she'd be like, I am, like I don't know but I would die. She did Ellen John. She did Tiny Dancer. That is true. You know what I mean? She might do like a little remix. I see her all the time because she lives in this area and I always see her and I was, yeah, and I never wanted, but I'm very much like you where it's like she's my Paul McCartney where I'm like, I just,

I feel like maybe I should say hi. But then I'm like, no, I feel like she would be like, no, stop leaving. Because Brittany's like, it's like such a level. And it wasn't like an event like you went to. It's just like literally her down the street. And I was like, I don't know. I just, I always want to see her. You never know. I hear that she's so sweet. Like I hear that she's like so, like I feel like, I feel like she wouldn't be like weird about being approached. Especially if it's like, you know, like you live in the same neighborhood. You could just be like, hey neighbor.

right you know I don't know I always can I borrow two eggs and a cup of sugar that would be oh my god that'd be everything when I see her I just always want to tell her how good she looks because she's so petite and tiny and looks so amazing and I just always want to like tell her but I'm like well you know she's probably busy well that's nice that's nice of you you know I feel like

But it's like a moment where you're like, I want to be friends with her so bad because she's like my ultimate queen. Like that's the person I wanted to be growing up. Same, same. That collab would be great. Who else would you want to clap with? Like a dream collab? Dream collab. I feel like it's always like producers. Like I would love to work with like Skrillex.

Oh my God. That sounds like, isn't that like a throwback or is he still around? Oh, he's like, no, he's still, he like kills it. His albums are so, he's like one of the best electronic producers I think ever. He's like so great. I feel like that's such a throwback. I feel like back in the day, like epic rap battles would always like do Skrillex. And I'm like, oh, okay, okay.

No, he put out a song. He put out an album like I think last year or maybe two years ago, but it's like really sick. There's a song with Missy Elliott and it samples like Mr. Wazo and it's really sick. Oh, so he does. Is that what he does? Like sampling? I don't know much about like producers. He like samples, he remixes, he produces stuff also like from scratch, but he did the whole like Justin Bieber Purpose album. Oh, okay. And I'm always on like a weird, like I could be on like a TED Talk tip, but I'm like that is one of the best modern pop albums.

of all time. Really? Purpose. It's the, the production is so like forward, like thick. It's so cool. It's such a good album. You know, all the technical stuff. So I feel like that's when you can like listen to it. I wouldn't know. Is it like Justin Bieber's album or is it like their collab? It's Justin Bieber's album, but Skrillex basically did the whole, like did most of it, I think. Okay. And the producing is like what? I'm so bad at this. It's like making the beat.

Got it. So you'll like do the lyrics and then you need a producer to make the beat. Yeah, yeah. I get really hands on. I don't like produce necessarily, but I get really hands on with like the production of my music. Like I know what I want to go where and like when things need to be added or like sounds and like I get really like anal about it.

at all. Okay, so you like can get into the technical. You know what sounds good. You're like, no, change that, change that. Yeah, yeah. Would you ever like DM Skrillex and be like, hey, let's work together? I feel like I've tried. Oh, have you? Yeah. Have you been left on read? Yeah, not left on read, but just like, you know, they don't accept it. Yeah. That's better. Oh, right. Now they have to accept it. Because I'd be DMing like random people for my podcast, like the weekend. Like, you want to come on my podcast? Like, no one sees it. But some people don't see it. It's hard. It's hard to like get through that first wall. But once you do, people are like, cool, but...

Yeah. Or like I would love, who else? Like I feel like Kavinsky I would love to collab with. He's like a great producer. I've always loved his music or. What's he done? What's he worked on? You know that song, have you ever seen Drive with Ryan Gosling? I feel like this is that song where it's like, there's something about you. Oh yeah. It's hard to explain. Yeah. That song. I'm giving you a night call till you. That song. Oh my God, we gotta sing. That felt like a little concert. Yeah.

Yeah. My impersonation of like the, I'm like giving you, that's me singing. That was good. The duet of it. You were dueting yourself. That was nice. I like that. But yeah, I think that would be cool. That's a good one. Or Nelly. Okay. So Nelly. Oh. Nelly. That's a throwback though. Okay. That is a throwback. That's my big one. He's from St. Louis. So that's where I'm from in that. Everyone, like if you put on like ride with me in a bar in St. Louis, everyone drops what they're doing, puts their beer down and sings. That's a good one.

That's a good one. That's a classic. Yeah. He's a hometown here. Like hot in here. Country grammar. Like I, yeah. I would love a Nelly feature. That's so funny. He's from St. Louis. I totally forget that. Yeah. Isn't there like an abandoned mansion in St. Louis that he had? Yes. It's in Eureka. Oh my. Have you seen it? I have never seen it in person. I've seen it online. But I know where it is. Eureka. So like St. Louis proper is like the city. And then like as you get out, it's like suburbs. And then as you keep going out, it's more rural. He bought like a mansion in Eureka. And I guess just like-

I don't... Abandoned or whatever. Yeah. There's nothing going on in Eureka. So I'm like shocked anyone would live there. Why would he do that? I wonder. I don't know. He's from St. Louis. He's from St. Louis. But people like, especially like, you know, when you get like money and you get success, like you can build like fat ass like mansions out in Eureka. Like when I was in high school, there would always be like house parties out in Eureka. You'd like drive like 40 minutes because like that's where all the big houses are because it's like it's cheap to build, you know? Yeah. It's crazy. So...

I think that's just where he built his house. It's so weird. And why abandon it? Because he has money. I know. I don't know. It's so weird. Maybe he was haunted. He just like left. He's like, I'm out. Yeah. Oh, I want to go. I want to go to Eureka now. Look at that. Nelly was cool. Like I was never a big like music, like I didn't know anyone but Britney Spears, but Nelly was always cool. Yeah. Or what's the one he did with Kelly Rowland? Oh yeah. I need you. Nelly, I love you. I do. It's so good. I met this chick. Wait, that's because of- And she tries to text him using like Excel. Oh yes. And everyone's like, wait, did no one notice that?

so fun. No, that one was so good. I loved her hair. I loved everything about it. He was so cool. Yeah. I wonder if he'll make music again. He always wore like the bandaid on his face. Why did he do that? I don't know. It looked sick though. Oh my God. That is actually really cool. Nelly was cool. I think for even people who didn't know hip hop, he was like that gateway. Yeah. He did Tim McGraw duet with him. Yeah. He's like country now. I kind of love that. I look

I was always country, right? Like a little St. Louis. Yeah. Country grammar. Yeah. I love that. It's a hybrid of the city country, you know? Yeah. Like I feel like Chicago is even more like that's like city city. Like St. Louis is like a little hybrid of both. Where it gives you- People get down with country music, but people are also, it's like a city, you know? Like it's not-

you know i don't know i love st louis i thought i was i've only been like comic cons there and i always thought it was like so cool yeah like the arches are cool like the whole city is like a vibe i feel like i'm i'm from illinois not chicago like suburbs but like chicago always to me felt a little bit i don't know i was always a little more scared st louis feels like a vibe oh my god i love that i feel like everyone like it's like a flyover town for most people so i'm like that's nice yeah i don't know anyone from st louis well we like drove through to get to california too so what is it like rod 66 or something from like chicago to here oh yeah and it's like a drive

Yeah. Where are you from in Illinois? I'm from a place called Rockford, Illinois. I feel like I know people from there. Yeah. It's like two hours...

I don't know what direction. I guess west of Chicago. Oh, nice. Yeah. So it's – and I'm from an even smaller town. It's called Pecatonica. So it's even smaller. But Rockford is like the main big town next to it. Oh, cool. And it took us like an hour and a half to get to Chicago. Damn. Yeah. My cousins are all from like Aurora area I think. Or no. What is it? Algonquin. Algonquin, Illinois. That might be more central Illinois I think. Yeah. When I think of Aurora, I think of Wayne's World. Oh, yeah. That's where they shot it supposedly. Oh, my God. They're like live from Aurora, Illinois.

And I was like, okay. That's an SNL classic. That's good. And yeah, all those, when you said the, when you said those skits, I'm like, God, I remember like Church Lady. Like all those were like so good. The Dana Carvey. So good. Yeah. I feel like they all have podcasts now. And I always like, I try to DM them all the time. I'm always like, do you want to come on? Like those kinds of comedians are like, David Spade does a lot of podcasts. Does he really? Yeah. He's kind of in the scene now. He dates a lot of young girls in LA. Oh my God. I'm like, where is he? Yeah. Would you ever, would you want to date with him? Oh my God. Sure. I would date David Spade. Oh my, oh. A fun, fun.

He's going to DM you. Funny goes like the longest way, right? Oh, for sure. I feel like funny is so, I don't know, like a guy who's funny. Like I always like got when everyone's like, oh, like the Pete Davidson thing. I'm like, I get it. Like he's funny, right? I don't get that. You don't get that. His tattoos are a little insane, but like I'm like, you're like funny. So like, of course you would have insane tattoos. He must have some.

a lot of things going for him because he gets all the hot girls. But he's kind of like the modern day dude because David Spade used to get hot girls. You know what I mean? He used to get all those like, I think the person he had a baby with was like a playmate. You know what I mean? And I think he dated Laura Flynn Boyle. He used to date like really hot people. So he might have something to it.

I don't know allegedly he takes people out at like 4 o'clock for dinners or something like that I don't know 4 o'clock in the afternoon yeah like that's when they have dinner I've heard it from multiple people I've panned him he was never interested in dating me but I feel like the young hot ones like you you'll probably be like hey stop there's nothing wrong with it how old are you you're 96 so I'm 27 so I'm not even that young I might have missed the cut off

Isn't it crazy? Every year I get older in this town, I'm like, damn. Missing that cut off. The Bachelor, I really do feel like there's a cut off at like 31. I was like, wow, I'd be too old to be on The Bachelor, which I feel so young. And I was like, wow, I wouldn't be able to be on that show. I would be so bad on a show like that. You never would do dating show like Love Is Mine. If it was me as the main, I would just be so, I'm like so like weird about like men and I'm so picky and I just feel like I just would be like a terrorist on it. Like I would just be like horrible. I'd be mean. Like I'd be like, you're weird. Would you?

I don't know. I don't know. It's just like, there's something about like men, like when I watched The Bachelor, like men that like think they're like, like he thinks he's all cool. It's like, like I'd be like, no, like I don't like you. Like girls, like we're going. Right, right, right. You're like, why are we all fighting over this guy? Yeah, like I'd be like, what's so great about him?

about him you need your own show like daisy of love do you remember that show and then you get all your tattoo people you give them backstage passes like that's the vibe it would be very daisy of love it would be so like rock of love all those vh1 like those yeah i was a little too young to be on those because it was like 21 and i think i was like 19 at the time and i wanted to be on them so bad damn you would have killed rock of love oh rock of love was my jam i got to do a brad michaels on my podcast like a while ago during quarantine and i was just like obsessed like don't ask him too many rock of love questions i'm like that's all that's all you want to know

Because he was so cool. He's still so hot. I think he used to live literally in this neighborhood, but he moved away. No way. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's so cool. I want to see Brett Michaels. Oh my gosh. You just start just like going, knocking on doors, being like, want to be on my podcast? Seeing who you find. I probably would. I would totally do that. I just ask everybody now. I'm like, like you, I DM'd you. And I was like, when you're like, yes, I was like, what? And it happens. That's why you should just

try everything because like you know one out of like 50 people will say yes and it's very cool but truly truly truly it's like an honor that you're here because like I'm not like I think I sent you screenshots even of like all the people oh my god I'm like just so you know I'm not just saying this and I wanted it's an honor to be here I have literally watched you since I was like too young to be using YouTube wait really yes like yes like Blunt Song Doll for MJ that's correct

Yes, like I know like the whole, I know your whole lore. I've just been obsessed with you. Oh my God, that's like crazy for me. I would want you to do like MAC makeup collection like on the webcam. Like that, I'm telling you. I was like an OG like YouTube stan. Like I loved like, yeah, I loved like Smosh or like what was there? I'm trying to think of all like the really old. Smosh, wow, that's crazy. Who else? I'm trying to think too like back in the day. I was like a kid so I loved like Fred. Did you? Yeah, like I loved like,

That's everything. Lucas Crickshane still makes videos. He's still out there. Yeah. I love him. He came to one of my, when I did a tour, a very small tour, like six cities, he came like in disguise and filmed it for his video. Really? And I was just like, okay, I kind of love, because yeah, he was so huge. Fred was so big. So you like the big ones. You like Smosh. Do you remember Totally Sketch? No. He did a lot with like Shane and-

trying to think because like i wasn't too big into youtubers in that era like i don't know who the original ones were but you must have been so young i liked yeah i was there i liked a lot of random ones like there was like these dudes balloon shop and i always thought they were really funny yeah it was just like random like sketch comedians and i just it look watching it as an adult i'm like this is not funny at all i love that you love sketch comedy so you were watching those i was watching all sketch comedy i've always wanted like my original dream i thought my big like

ticket to like claim to fame would be like something with like Saturday Night Live like I wanted to like write or like be like something in comedy like my dad always was like you know like wanted me to get into comedy because that was like his dream that didn't like work out so I was like I thought that would have like been my thing but I loved singing more than I loved comedy yeah could you both though yeah oh my god what could you do I wonder I get booed no I feel like you'd

Have you ever tried it like live? No. Improv? Nothing? No, I've never tried. That's so interesting. I wouldn't think, not that you're not funny, but I wouldn't even think of you as like someone who wants to do like stand-up comedy or sketch comedy. I don't even think I'm like funny in that way. I just, I think that any, like when you nerd out over comedians, like everyone like, like I loved comedy in general. So I feel like that was like,

yeah, when I was young, I just wanted to like be on SNL. I wanted to be like Kristen Wiig. Like I wanted to like, yeah. Be that girl. Yeah. Who is your favorite? Like who, what kind of comedians do you like stan? Um, ooh, you know, like I love all the, like I said before, like Norm Macdonald, I always thought was so funny. He is like the funniest, like honestly. That's your number one. I feel like he might be one of my number ones. Videos of him on like Conan or just like different interview shows. He was just such like an

in the best way. Ham on Conan. Or did you ever see him on the Bob, I think it was Bob Saget roast. Oh yeah. Where he just did this like weird bit about birds. He's like, you know, the birds. And I was like, what? He's so, he would do like non-right. He was just so funny, like effortlessly. He was in the Andy Kaufman movie too, I think. He played, he was like one of the people in the sketches. Yeah. He's so good. I loved him. Like when he, when he passed away, I was like,

really sad and unexpected. It was recent. I was so sad and I feel like no one knew, like no one my age at least like cared or knew. And I was like, this is like so devastating. Yeah. All of his comedian, comedian friends being so upset about it. It was like so sad. Oh yeah. They all were friends with him. Like Adam Sandler, all those people. He was, did you ever get to see him at all perform when he was? No, no, I wouldn't really go, you know, I was too young to like go to comedy shows. I did. My mom took me to see Amy Schumer once before everyone like turned on her in culture, but she was, she actually was really funny. Really? She had, yeah, she had, um, uh,

I think it was Bridget Everett, this comedian, went after Amy Schumer's set and she would do this cabaret nude thing. She'd put her pussies in people's faces in the audience. - What? - And it was so funny. - Wait, real? Like actual? - Yeah, Bridget Everett. I'm trying to think of some things Bridget Everett's been in. Have you ever seen the Sex and the City movie? - The second one, I didn't see the first one.

She's like, she's in it. She's like, you're great. You're like, she's like all drunk in the movie, but like she has a really small part, but she's so funny. And she does stand up. Yeah. And would she show her naked puss to everyone? I don't know. I don't remember. I was young, but I just remember being like gagged. I was like, whoa, like I've never seen someone do that. That's wild. She was like, just like Ron

comedian. Yeah, she was great though. Like, I, yeah, I think she's a really funny comedian too. I feel like female comedians have it so hard. Like, it's just so hard. Like, so many people already root against a female comedian. Yeah, well, it's that whole trope where it's like, women aren't funny. Right. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, who started that even? Like, who's like, women aren't funny? I don't know. It is hard because male comedians, I don't know, I guess I'm like a little biased. I was like, male comedians are so funny. Yeah. But,

I was always a stan too I had a groupie phase for a minute where I would go to like stand up shows and just hang out and see stand up comedians that no one knew living in LA too it's like you were you had access to like the laugh factory and all those things what is it the comedy store yeah comedy store yeah there's a

Flappers in Burbank. So you would see like the most random like Harlan Williams and stuff. Just like random people there. But I feel like, do you go to any of those shows? Not really. I feel like as an adult, I don't really go to like comedy shows ever. But I do. I like watching stand up like from time to time. Do you ever watch like, who's, I guess like, all I think of now is like Matt Rife and I'm like, no one likes him. So. I love like John Mulaney.

John Mulaney is really funny. He had a cancellation, didn't he? He did. He kind of just had like, I think he like relapsed or something. And there was like a lot of, he like divorced his wife. I don't want to like get into his tea on here. No, no. That's what I thought. But he did. Yeah. He kind of got canceled because he like left his wife of many years and then started dating this actress lady. I don't know like all the lore, but people were like mad about it. And he had like a baby with her and stuff like that. Yeah. But he's a very funny still though. Yeah. Yeah.

I know sometimes you don't know about this stuff and then he's like I don't know anything I just know everyone kind of turned against him too like we all love him and it's like Amy Schumer but that's why you can't get like political too because it's like I liked Amy Schumer's movies like Trainwreck and stuff I thought was cute Trainwreck was so good yeah I was like oh it was funny it was cute yeah and I love seeing someone with like my body type on screen it's like good I feel pretty I thought it was also really good I loved I feel pretty I loved it that's how I feel every day I'm always like oh I

feel like I look like you. You know, so I'm always like, yeah, that's me. First of all, you're beautiful. Stop. Like you're stunning. Your body is insane. That's like crazy. Oh my God. No. See, I think at the end of the day, we all like hate ourselves a little bit. Cause I'm always like, I feel so like insecure about stuff. Really? Yeah. I, well, the look today was supposed to be your Tefla pink jacket that that's what I was trying to recreate. And then you had a pink bikini and I ordered it and I was like, you know what? I'm going

I'm going to own my body pregnant, whatever. I'm going to wear a bikini. I put it on. I was like, absolutely not. I almost had like a mental breakdown before you came. I was like, no, no, no, but can't do it. I was like, when I looked at your pictures, I was like, absolutely not. Oh my God. I kept the jacket closed for a reason. I was like, no, you look so good. You look like all your, what's the music video where you're walking down naked? It's,

Oh yeah, erotic electronic. Yes. Oh my gosh. I was like your body. I said the behind the scenes of it. I was like, that's so amazing. See, that's funny that you say that because I felt so not toned in the video, but I think that is what made it. Like, I feel like my body type is not like the typical, like I don't have hips. Like I'm very like straightened down. Even people in the comments, they were like, she has no hips. And I'd be like,

yeah it's very britney of you neither is my mom neither is my sister yeah like i like it was it's so funny but good body i love that body because everyone can buy hips now and i love hips of course but i love that straight it's like very britney it's very yeah but yeah i think yeah that was like i i definitely i've never felt like i'm like the super skinny girl so like doing that video i've like lost weight in my life like i feel like i have been like every different kind of size but just like doing that video i was like whoa like we're really putting

out here. Were you dieting or anything before that? Yeah, a little, like a little bit. Yeah. You know, here and there. But, um. Was it one of those ones where you're like, I can't wait to have like pizza after this. Yes. Okay, yeah. Very much that. I've been there. For every music video. Every video is like the thing you like work towards and then after I'm just like

I want to go to like Buffalo Wild Wings. And it feels so good afterwards too. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean at the end of the day it does get blow to people. It doesn't make a difference. But I'm like no it does. It does. Yeah. Especially when you're going to be naked. That specific one I think you said you like risked getting arrested for. Did anyone come up to you during filming? Like any pleas? No. It was mostly just like bystanders. And bystanders and it also was really sketchy because like I'm not like a creep. Like I didn't realize people would have their children naked.

Out in Hollywood at like, it was midnight. It was like actually like 1130 midnight and it was tourists with their kids. And as soon as we would spot like a family with kids, I would be like, throw me the robe and I would put the robe on. So you were actually naked? Yeah. You didn't have a bandeau? I had like, I had pasties for tracking the bars onto my boobs and then like a sticker like right in the crotch of like my butt. It was, I was naked. Like I was actually naked. Were they green? Were they like a green screen thing? They were like two nude pasties with little black dots in them. So you could like

do so the bar could be tracked to my oh my gosh you just broke a nail so you could do these amazon nails so you could track the bar to like my body okay and but it's out it's out wow yeah but also like yeah that's not the worst thing on hollywood boulevard at midnight if someone has their people out there's like users out there there's prostitute there's like actual people doing crazy

So it's not the worst thing out there. I've seen people like smearing food into the sidewalk, like screaming. Like that's worse than like a naked lady. Yeah, no, for sure. I feel like if anything, was there any creeps? Was there anybody that was like inappropriate? Not really. I mean, you, she filmed it. There were some, but it was never a point where it was always like...

There were some men who were like funny. They weren't even like catcalling or heckling. They were just like, get it, girl. And I was like, OK. They were into it. They were like, OK, I love it. They were supportive. They were respectful. Exactly. It was like that was a very supportive catcall. OK, I love that. It was gorgeous. Yeah. OK. But yeah. And you had no, are you with the label or are you independent right now? I was with Fader Label under Universal for that whole album cycle. And then my last album fulfilled my contract. So I'm like technically in like a couple of months, I'll be like independent technically.

So that one you're under a label and they were totally fine with the concept. They're like, yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Well, I mean, it costs actually $5 to make that video. So like, absolutely. That is fine. Do that. Go get naked. Wow. Oh my God. That's amazing. You can do it for so cheap. Yeah. What was the $5? What did it go to? The pasties probably. Oh, okay. So you film and edit. Do you edit or do you edit? She edits and films. Wow. Just you two? Yeah.

Wow. And it's just you two on Hollywood Boulevard. Yeah. And my stylist Malcolm, which is funny because there was like the absence of styling. But he's still like he did like the shoes and like we like vibed it up, the sunglasses. Yeah. That's like a whole part of it. I love it. I think bring nakedness back. I miss the Playboy days. I miss the nudity of it all. And just seeing like someone's body. Like you said, even like a body that's different. You know what I mean? Because everyone is, like you said, everyone's very thin now of it all. And I like just to see like, you know, those toned bodies like the Britney days. Because Britney was never like stick thin.

thin you know what I mean not like that impossible supermodel waist like you know I see so it's so weird like yeah I feel like seeing different bodies that almost was like everyone in the Y2K culture it was so like thin obsessed but at the same time you just saw more variety of like women in a way oh yeah like yes and no like obviously to a certain extent yes and to a certain extent no but I just don't remember like I feel like now it's like so like heroin chic

model body. Everyone has to be so thin. It's like Ariana Grande, Lily Rose. They look gorge, but it is like, I'm like, God, everyone is so skinny. Madison Beer. And it's just like, it's nice to see different. Like you said, in early 2000s, we did see like the Paris Hiltons, but even when Lindsay Lohan became like curvy, oh my God, it was like so hot. All of a sudden she had, I think SNL did those skits with her like boobs. With her boobs, yeah. Harry Potter. And all of a sudden you're just like, oh wow, she looks so good. And I think that's

I don't know. I kind of, yeah, I kind of miss the era. Britney too. She always had like a tone body. Yeah, she was athletic. She looked like an athlete. She didn't look like

like tiny supermodel with no ribs that's how I feel with you I feel like you look like athletic like you do Pilates like you dance stuff like that so I was just like oh it's nice to see and that's why I said Amy Schumer got canceled because I like to see her body too I was like yeah she'd be naked and it's just it's nice to have that out there I guess we have like Lizzo and stuff like that yeah but now everyone tries to ban nudity because you couldn't put that video on TikTok you know what I mean they're so they're so strict about it and I was like that's so annoying YouTube now too

I feel like isn't YouTube is so strict with like cuss words and nudity and. Oh yeah. We bleep like everything on this. It's like bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. Yeah. I remember when I was a kid though, like it was not like that. Oh, you could say anything you could talk about. Yeah. All this, but like blowjob.

You just say all those things and it's just like now we beep, beep, beep, beep everything. I know you say that. What did she just say? You're like blowjob pussy. Yeah. Bleep, bleep, bleep again. Our editors. I knew this one. I'm like this one's going to be editing especially because your title is a star. But yeah, if you say that anymore, people are like – I think even saying the word vape, I think we have to bleep that. I don't think you can even say that. It's crazy the rules. Yeah. Or if someone does it, we always have to like bleep. We have to like cut them out or something like that. It's – yeah.

like in a way it's good but also like the censorship of it all it's like i'm never for censorship i'm so like put it all out there anti-censorship i i don't there's something about censorship that like freaks me out like in like political speaking like i like yeah i'm like let us cuss like right you know this is just the beginning like what else are they gonna start like controlling and stuff like that when you dig like do a deep dive into it it's like kind of scary yeah you spiral a little bit

Would you ever do now, like, because you did that video and you have the uncensored footage, would you put, like, do an OF or something where you put, like, uncensored stuff from your shoots? Maybe. I've been thinking, I think a lot about OnlyFans. I feel like it would really depend on how I would do it, but I've always thought about doing it or doing, like, I feel like it'd be shocking for, like, a pop artist to, like, do adult entertainment, but, like, in, like, the actual, like, real way. Yeah. So sometimes I think about that and I'm like, I feel like I would do that. I would, like, make art out of it and make it my way because I think that could be a really cool thing.

platform for something like that but I'm not sure you know what it is and girls and gays would love it too you know what I mean it's not even like necessarily yeah yeah it's kind of like Madonna's like sex book like yeah that's before my time too but I remember like that was like such a big thing and I always think that's like cool because like yeah the body is like art and it's cool you can make money off of it yeah right and I feel like doing like art housey like

like pornography would be like a cool thing. I don't know. My God, you should do like a film with that guy that you were talking about earlier, like the spring break. I was like, you should do like a whole like sex film with that. Oh, I'd be so, oh my gosh. I'm like the biggest Harmony Kareem stan. I would love to. Harmony Kareem, my God, look at him up. Would you act? Have you acted before? I have not, but I would love to. That is definitely on my bucket list. I feel like,

It's something I've always wanted to do. And like, you know, I don't know. You never know if you're good at something until you try. But I think it's something I would be good at. Oh, yeah. And I'm a theatrical person. I feel like I would love to do like drama or like, I don't know. I love movies. So it'd be so cool because your Slater persona is so like one way. And even you now, it's like, oh, my God, you could do so many different things. Like you have everything, you know, you could be Miracle, you know, you could be all these people. It's like, yeah. And I think it's just like a cool vibe. Even to see you now, like, oh, my God, it's like such a different persona than you get. You're like, just like.

I'm a real girl.

God, I can't believe it. Yeah. But it's you. I'm like, you're like such an icon. I don't feel like it because I never did mainstream stuff. I've always just done stuff online and social media, which anybody can do. But I feel like when you do mainstream stuff like touring and you have these albums and you're at Pride and stuff like that, to me, that's like...

unattainable oh my gosh which i think you were talking about you like celebrities because they were unattainable wasn't like you know nowadays everyone wants to be relatable and stuff but it is there is kind of a cool unattainability to it you know yeah the mystique of old like not even old hollywood but even like recent times like i feel like who can you say that's like a newer actor that gives you like the vibe of like a george clooney you know what i mean people used to have mystique and they're like i feel like now and it's weird because you see like og like

celebrities try to get into the social media space and do the TikTok thing and everyone's just kind of like, why are you, yeah. It's weird. It's awkward because it's like this isn't, you know, like you can't, you don't need to be like making TikToks. Exactly. But I think people are kind of getting back to that like the Austin Butler, Zac Efron. They seem to be like not on social media and it makes them cooler to me. I was like, okay, we kind of have some of those because when you see them on like TikTok, it takes away. Plus also the more people talk and stuff, sometimes you're like, oh, they're kind of like

cringe well that's yeah that's like most actors it's like as soon as you're like oh no no yeah like you see the rock on tiktok and you're like this just feels inauthentic you know what i mean and then people turn on them like they did with the whole maui situation now the rock is no longer cool or something or i think jaylo is a good example of it too she used to be so cool and now everyone i don't know why i don't have anything negative against her but everyone is like turning against her now and becoming a meme like did you see the one with her do you want

that? Yeah, I use it every day. I love it. I'm addicted to it. You watch it, but you don't really make it. I make little lip sync videos here and there. That's my little thing. Wait, really? We have not seen those. It'll be really quick. It'll just be me. To show my outfit or makeup almost, I'll just be like...

Okay. I love that. Who do you lip sync to lately? Just any songs I'm like loving on. That's popular at the moment. Thank God for TikTok because I never kept up with like music. And then now I know there's like that struggle, especially as like an artist of like, do we like TikTok? Do we not? But that's how I really find out all my music. Yeah. But I guess it's like kind of...

It can be a double-edged sword because I feel like on one hand, it's changed the music industry so much. I think it has had a couple negative effects in giving people like music platforms and music careers who might not full be like an artist, but they had the one song that goes viral. But then at the same time, I think it's nice that

the public is deciding on like who is like getting these big songs and it's not like a label trying to push something like very mechanically in a way. Like the people decide. Right. You know, this is popular now. And that's cool. I think it gives anyone a chance. Like I could have a song go viral tomorrow. I could never have a song go viral in my life or, you know, it's just like, it's, it's the more you post, the more the chances go up, I guess. Yeah. Just the virality of it all. Would you ever, do you write for other people?

I don't, but I would love to. Like who is like your ideal person to write for? I would love, actually Heidi. I would love to write songs for Heidi. She's working on an album now. I know. I've been like, I've been all over the place, but I need to send her some pitch songs. But I just, I love her music. I love how like sweet her voice sounds and I would love to write for her. So iconic. When she did the Miss Universe, I was like, she was the one that was here that I was like really starstruck. Like I literally like, I was literally just like, I'm so nervous right now. Cause she's also very like beautiful and stunning. And you're just like, and then I watching her grow up, you're just like,

oh my God, I can't believe you're here. She's also very down to earth. She's so down. She's such a sweetie pie. Her and Spencer both too. I always, I went on their podcast and I, yeah, I feel like, yeah, yeah. I feel like I, I grew up watching the Hills and all of those shows and it's so insane how they were painted. They're so smart for this, but they were, they were the villains, but in real life they're actually the nicest people. They just like knew what they were doing. And yeah, they have this book called how to be famous that like I'm obsessed with. It's this really tongue in cheek, like,

like little it's like this quick little book and they like talk about like scheming the paparazzi and like staging paparazzi setups because that was like what they would do and make their money and um and get paid for it yeah it was just genius yeah they would be in the park and they'd be like crying and yelling and then they would sell the photos and i'm like that is so iconic so iconic her number one cover she said was us weekly and it was her like uh pretending to like file for divorce papers against heidi or against spencer and she was the number one and we made so much money as a god you're so smart right like she really is like oh

my god if you guys did music together um if you wrote for her I would love to I would love to because I don't think she doesn't write her own right she doesn't or she might I think she does well yeah like I think a lot of the the way she made superficial she would she told me that she like found like the best songwriters and it was very how big mainstream pop artists at that time would curate their albums because it's like Britney wasn't really writing I mean she wrote some of her music but like it's like you get like pitch songs and stuff and like you curate the vibe and

she made it like the same way that like any major label pop star would make it, which I think is so cool. What did she say? I think she told us she spent, put like $2 million into it or something. And I was like, that's everything. That's a passion project if I ever heard one. It's a passion project. And I love people like that. I love people who just like, and like you, like you said, you did camming so you could pay for like beats and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. It shows so much passion that you would put your money into your,

stuff. Yeah, you know, I feel like when you really believe in something and you want to make it like you should, like everyone, you know, everyone right now is clowning on JLo for like her, she spent like 20 million on that movie. But it's like, you know, and like, as I saw it, did I, was I obsessed? Like, no, but like, to me, the fact that she like,

needed to like make her idea that bad that would fund it I'm like props like you know like if you want to make this that bad like that's like commendable and like to if you want to go make something I would have done that a hundred percent like I love that too I love that she's just like yeah I'm gonna put all my money into this and like it like nobody knew what it was it was so weird but I was like if you believe in something do it it's a crazy watch I want to like take acid and watch it again oh that would be so fun I'd get really scared oh my god I would disappear you guys would never hear from me again I'd have like a mental break

I'd like run to the desert. But you could have cool like songs and music come from it. You're just remembering your trip watching J-Lo. Watching the J-Lo movie. That would be great. What was that on Amazon? I think so. That's wild. I wonder if she made any of it back.

Maybe they bought it or something. I don't know. Maybe they bought it. I feel like it might have been one of those things. Yeah. Like where Amazon actually like paid like they did a deal. Yeah. Did you see the clip of her trying to ask all these celebrities and they're like they said no. They said no. But then Lizzo's like they never asked me you know because they said Lizzo said no and she goes they didn't ask me. So sometimes your team like will say no for you. Yeah. We just

Which is crazy because JLo was such a big deal. I mean, who's saying no to JLo? Yeah. It puts everything into perspective because it's like I feel so – I never ask people for collabs like in any sense because I hate being told no. It makes me feel like a loser when I'm like, do you want to get on my song? And someone's like, no. And I'm like, okay. Have you been told no? Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I have like a whole list of collabs for Starfuckers.

They all ended up just not working out, which is fine. Like everyone's doing their own thing. Like I'm not, I'm never going to like chase someone down to like be on a song with me. But seeing someone who's like really, really big and famous, like being told no is like, that's just like so crazy. Yeah. It's good though. Like we need checks and balances. Right. You're like, if it happens to JLo, then it's fine that it's happening to me. Yeah. Did you do any duets on Star?

No. No, I did a song with this artist Lolo Zuai on my deluxe and she's really sick. It's this song called Makeup, but it was pretty much just like a solo album. So you were like when you write songs, you write them and then do you think like, oh, maybe someone would sound good on this or do you just, yeah. Yeah, which can be kind of jarring because it's like sometimes you think someone would sound good on something, but they might not like it. They might want like a different

Right.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. How did you get into that? Yeah. That was a long time ago. That was like, I think like 2019. I didn't really go on tour with her. I just opened for two dates on her tour. Oh, okay. But yeah, yeah. How did that happen? Did you DM her or what? I think her agents reached out or

Or she reached out. She hit me up to do like a remix of one of her songs at the time. And then I think it was because we were going to go do those two shows. It was like, it was just, I forget which cities it was, but it was two cities. And then, uh, yeah, like either her or her agents usually reach out. That's usually how opening works too. It's like an artist will kind of be like, Oh, like I'm thinking of this person, this person, then agents will kind of get the deal done, you know? And then they communicate with each other. Yeah. Yeah. A remix is hard to do. Remixes. Um,

Not really. Like I didn't like produce a remix. I like put like a verse on something. I see. So I just like I can like write. I'll like write any verse I could, you know. Just like change it up or something like that. I'm like I just put them out. I don't know. I kind of live for that. Yeah, like they gave me more. I was like this is kind of iconic. Well, if you ever want to do a remix, I have a song called I Love You Jesus, you know, Catholic. I would die. Stop. I'm going to like shake.

I feel like that. Oh my God, I would be so down. I love you, Jesus. That song I 100% wrote. Usually I have a writer, I have a Jeremy that writes freaky and stuff like that, but that one I 100% wrote myself. Iconic. There's no structure to the song. I think I have like 20 verses in that song. But it's catchy as fuck.

You know what you're doing. Thank you. I was talking about that on Hot Topics yesterday. I'm like, I wonder if Slater would want to do I Love You Jesus just because like a totally different direction. That would be so sick though like to make it like club electronic like put some like fat bass behind it and have it be like I love you like G-E-E-E-E-Z-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-E-N-

So cool. Put like monk hymns, like quiet, like coral in the background. It's like spooky. I love it. I think Jesus would appreciate it because I really do love Jesus. I'm not like blasphemous like that. I do too. I think he'd appreciate. Yeah. I'm the same way. You know, like I literally, I like wear a cross. Like I feel like, I don't know. Jesus is such a, he's like one of the most iconic people.

figures of all time for sure almost like celebrity in a way i think he's the most like recognized face or something right like he's the most like drawn face recognized face i heard somewhere i love that we're talking about this i'm getting a jesus tattoo in a couple days no way like this is funny like of his face or like yeah that famous portrait of him with like the crown i'm getting it on my arm oh my god that's gonna be so cool yeah do you have other you have the rosary and what else rosary not too many i have like the star

This star was my first tattoo. Wow. What's the L? My nails are literally coming off. Oh, I kind of live. The L is for my mom and my... Sorry, I'm losing the mic. My mom and my sister's name are Libby and Laura. Oh, cute. So you got the L for them. L for them. Oh my God. I love all the tattoos that you have. Do you have any on your body, like ribs? No, I want to get more.

I feel like once you get started, you can't stop. Like, I always promise my mom that my last tattoo is my last one, and it's never my last one. Oh, she's like, not about it. She hates them. She's like a, you know, old Polish, like, Long Island Catholic lady. She, like, does not want to hear it with the tattoos. She's like, you know, I read an interview that you did. You're just like, yeah, my mom finds out a lot about me through my songs. Yes. That you're bisexual. She found out through that. Yeah, through, like, articles and stuff. She's like, oh. And I'm like, yeah. Did she bring it up to you? Sometimes. And I'm just like, girl, I was kidding. Oh, yeah.

that's just that's later that's not me I'm just being Miley like come on that's what's cool about you you have the Hannah Montana and then you know both sides to you which is cool loved that show wait did you yeah I never again I was like beyond like past my generation were you like this is gonna be me yeah I'm gonna have best of both worlds I feel like Hannah Montana did a lot to like little girl brains where like everybody wants to be famous and I feel like that and High School Musical all of those shows well

I think that they're like to blame because it was all like, you know, like be a star. Like, yeah. Content. We had Lizzie McGuire movie. And at the end she got to be like a pop superstar in Italy. I was like, that's what I want to be. Right. She's like stumbling into it. Wait, I loved your recreation of the Liz McGuire. Oh, thank you. That's what I did with my money. I was like, you know what? I'm going to spend all my money. I did a bet on it. I did all. I was like, I'm going to be these people. The bet on it is my favorite. That one is too, too.

Oh, man. I would love to do that again, but I did spend too much money. I think in total I spent probably like $10 million over the years on music videos. No way. Yeah. I spent way too much. Oh, I wish you had like universal back lot. I would do the most. Get like water hydrants exploding. I really thought I was that person. That's incredible though. I spent way too much. And then I like, oh, and then I would tax. I never owned a home. I just had all these music videos and I was just like, oh, it's fine though. I didn't really care when I was like single and stuff. I never thought I was going to get married and have kids. I was like, oh.

what do I spend my money while I have it? However, someone wants to spend their money is like, it's just that it's how you want to spend your money. Like, no, I never judge when people like do crazy stuff. I'm always like, no judgment. Like I would, I would buy like rhinestone, literally like what you were saying. I would literally have everything rhinestone out. And like, I would just like, I'd get like a rhinestone car. Oh,

but I've seen those. Like BMWs, like just rhinestoned out. I don't know if they're real or AI, but I always see them on Instagram. I see them in like Japanese car shows a lot. They'll have like a fully Swarovski crystal. It's like a promotional for like the kind of car it is. Oh my God. I would love that. I don't, God, are you a spender or a saver? Like would you splurge? Spender. You are? Bad. What's your, what do you spend on? Clothes. Oh really? Vintage clothes and like old, like I, what else do I, I love clothes and I love furniture. Yeah.

Really? Like where do you go find, because you get the art, you get the 80s stuff. So where do you find that? Sometimes like Cherish will have like good pieces or sometimes just Facebook Marketplace. But like I'm always just like, it's nothing's ever that expensive, but it's just the volume at which I buy. Yeah, same. I don't even like new luxury stuff that much, but it'll be like an old Prada purse that like Mary-Kate Olsen wore in like 2005.

and I'll find it and I'll be like that's what I want. Where do you find those? Usually like Vestiaire Collective. I don't know what the website is. They have a lot of old stuff. So you're like a vintage, you're like a thrifter. Yeah. Do you follow the vintage show pony on Instagram? I think so. He's like really 80s. He has all the 80s. He's like Seth

it up he has like pink stuff it's so cool wait i know i'm putting my nails right here sorry i know i know exactly who you're talking about i do it's so cool i had a makeup artist her name was moira she's like a barbie she's like 80s barbie i feel like you just know so many of the same glam people the person who did my glam day was like i did slater for pride or something like that i was like oh my god everyone knows you louis dahl house yeah he was like so good he's so good and he was like yeah and he's like who's on today and i was like because i showed him your picture and i was like slater he's like oh

Okay, that's everything. Oh my God. Yes, I always feel like we know the same glam people, but there's one that's like an 80s Barbie girl. Her name's like Moira or something like that. And her whole house is like 80s deco pink. Love. It's so cool. Fierce. And she said that she's like, I spent all my money on that. And I'm like, that's what you gotta do. You know what I mean?

Yeah. When I see things I like and I just want it, like, it makes it, I never grew up with stuff. So, like, I feel like now that I have money to spend, I'm not, like, financially responsible. I don't think you need to be yet. Yeah. I think, like, in your 30s, you can become financially responsible. Right. Period. 20s, I spent, I was always at zero at the end of the month. I literally spent everything. I was like, that's fine.

that's fine. Yeah. It always comes back. I'm like, I, my business managers, like I always am like, I feel like they'll like see me talk about stuff on podcasts about money and they just like probably get so pissed cause I'm just crazy. But I feel like when you spend money, it will come back to you. It does. I, I,

I feel like I'm living proof to this. Like I will give so much money. I'm like, oh my, I overpay everyone on purpose, but it always comes back. I swear it does. And I'll talk about it. And like good faith almost, you know? Always. Like good karma. Always. It always does. Like tipping people like 40%. I'm like, it's going to come back. And it really does. And I've always been like that even before I like had money. And I feel like it really does come back. I don't know how. I was a miracle. I make money. And then I'm always like, wow, it comes back like tenfold. It does. I believe in that a hundred percent. I believe that's like such a

But you have to like think it and feel it and not be scared to like spend it because it's a flow, you know? It is a flow. I never get into like dangerous territory. Like I'm never like dropping like –

crazy money that I don't have to spend. Oh, right. Like credit card debt or anything like that. I had an era of that and then I learned real fast and I, ever since then, I'm pretty careful. I'm like pretty careful now. What was the, what was the danger zone? Was it credit card debt or what was it? It was, I just like, I had a business credit card or a credit card and I just didn't, I'd never had one before and I was like 24,

26, 25 probably, which is like too old to like not know how to use a credit card. Well, I didn't know either. But like I said, yeah, it's like when you grow up with like a poor family and like you're around financially irresponsible people, like it is like in my soul. So I was just like spending on, I'm like, oh, whatever, put on my credit card. Hotels, clothes, all that.

all different clothes, the essence cart purchase, and at the end of the year. And I would be like, oh, I would justify everything by like, oh, wear this on tour. I could use this for this music video. It's a write-off. Yeah, it's a write-off. It's a write-off. It's a write-off. And it's like, you still have to pay for it. It's like that Schitt's Creek one. Write-off or not. Yeah. He's like, who pays it off? He's like, or he was like, who pays for it? He's like, they don't. They write it off. It's like such a thing. And I was like, yeah. Literally, that is me. Yeah. Well, you're lucky you had...

I think what happened with me is when I was 18, I opened up three credit cards for $500 and then I just never paid them. So I was never able to get anything more than $500 on a credit card. So I think it saved me. Otherwise, I probably would have spent, I don't know. I don't know what yours was, but when people have $30,000 on their credit card, it's like, wow, bougie. That's a lot of credit. They make ones that don't have limits at all. That's crazy. They make ones that don't have limits at all. I could go buy an airplane that I can't afford. Wait, how do you get those? I want it. I don't know. There's like- You have to pay them off?

Yeah. Yeah. You have to pay them off. I think that you get like the limit, the limitless one. Isn't that, that's like the American Express, like the black card. Oh, is that real? Yeah. People have black cards. Have you seen it? I've never seen one. That would turn me on. I'd be like, wow, look at that black card. And it like dinks, they're like made of metal. So it like dinks when you throw it on the table. I want that. I probably can't. I still have, for some reason,

I still have horrible credit. I don't know if it's from like my three credit cards when I was 18 years old and this is like never, but I've always had like bad credit. Now it's like better, but the credit system, I'm like the credit system in America is a scam. Like straight up. But it is. Cause it's like, it takes so long to get your credit back. Good again. Yeah. It's like, well, how am I supposed to like get my life together and like get an apartment and do all this stuff? Get a job. Yeah. Yeah. I did a net credit. Do you know those, like those speedy cash loans? I did one of those. I took one out for like $3,000.

And when we bought this house, I still owed on it. It was from like 10 years prior. I was making like $200 a month or whatever like that. I think in total, it was a $3,000 loan. I think I had paid back like $54,000 for real. Oh. And it was either net credit or speedy cash or one of those. But total, I had a $3,000 loan and a $7,000. In total, I owed like $54,000. But I was slowly paying like $150 for the rest of my life. Oh, no.

I had no idea. So those are always like – but I remember I'd go to like a speedy cash place and they would give me like 3,000 cash. I'm like, yes. Yeah, I was bad with money too. Damn. You and your both sister. Yeah. You know, it's like until you need to be financially responsible. As long as you can like have a roof over your head, you can have a little savings. Absolutely. That's how I feel. And no debt. Like you said, the credit card debt is bad. That's the danger zone. Yeah. But like if I have food on the table, I'm so – I don't even need to be like a multimillionaire one day. Like I'm like – I'm so –

chill with like Carrie Bradshaw life in a one bedroom apartment with like fabulous clothes. That's like all I want. That's kind of the dream, especially like in LA and stuff like that. It's kind of like, and yeah, getting to do what you like to do for work, you know, which is what you do, which is everything. Did you get paid from when you were on SoundCloud? No,

No, no. That was all just like out into the internet. Yeah. And is it still like that for SoundCloud people? For SoundCloud, I think so. I don't know if you get royalties from SoundCloud, but when you upload through like things like DistroKid or whatever, you can like put your music out or there's like TuneCore, Stem or like whatever. But it like you get money from like Spotify streams, not like a whole lot, but you do get paid. Yeah. I always feel like that. I'm like, do you, I always talk about this. I always buy music from artists because I always thought like they never got paid from streaming. I just saw this on TikTok where you buy it all on iTunes. Yes. Yes.

I buy everyone's. I buy all yours on iTunes. Like that's just like, I don't know. I feel like it goes towards the artist. It does. I feel like you get, when someone buys music on iTunes, it definitely is like you get more, that's like,

You know, you get like more from that than like a stream. Streams you get nothing, I feel. I'm big on the iTunes thing. I recently have discovered the love for iPods again. I've been using iPods. And you have to be so intentional with the music you buy on iTunes. It's not just like, it's like fast food with streaming where it's like, I don't want access to all of it all the time. Like sometimes I want this Black Eyed Peas album and this like old, like, I don't know, like Hank Williams country music. And I want like...

And there's a limited space. So you pick your fave. There's a limited space. So you got that. You got your Gwen Stefani. You put like your favorite hits. Yeah. And yeah. It's the best. I think that too. I was like, I just want this one song. Like you said, I don't need the, he has like YouTube music or something. And I'm just like, I was like my one song and I replay it over and over. Right now I'm listening to like Zac Efron, The Greatest Showman, you know? So I just like replay that song over and over. You know what I mean? I get really into like one thing and then become obsessed over it. Fixations. Oh man. Yeah.

Do you have any current? I need to send you a blinged iPod. Oh, my God. I would love it. I'm going to have you bling everything. I'm like, can you bling this, this, and this? I literally would. I love it. It's my favorite hobby. I love it. I have an iPod. I recently bought one. I bought a green one off eBay. Nice. And I'm like, that would be so cool. Okay, I'll give it to you. Yeah, I'll bling it out. I'll check it out for you. Yeah, come by. I wish I could bling because I have so many bling things. I'm just not patient like that at all. It's hard. Also, the chemicals from the glue are really toxic. So especially with babies and stuff, I wouldn't-

Oh, I wouldn't get into that. Do you get like high? Are you like, I don't get high. I wear like a mask when I do it for the most part, but I just know I'm like, I'm missing some brain cells for sure. It's like cancerous. Like it's like bad. Wait, really? Yeah. 6000 glue. Wait, really? But when it dries, it's fine. It's when it dries, it's fully fine. But when you're using it and it's in, it's wet. Cause I remember I was, I was posting on my Instagram story that I was like doing this like rhinestoning, like side projects. And I had this drag queen DM to me and they're like, girl,

open your window and wear a mask. Like that stuff is really toxic. And I went, what? Oh, thank God. It's really toxic. And I had no idea. I was just like, you would have passed out. No, literally. I was like, why do I get so lightheaded when I do this? Oh my God. You felt it. Yeah. Oh my God. Well, thank God for that drag queen. Oh my gosh. She saved your life. She saved me. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. The fumes. Cause I actually like toxic smells. Like I love gasoline. Me too. I love like the nail salon. Like I love, but you always see, even before COVID, they were wearing those masks. And I was like, he always says that when I go, he's like, I don't know

you should be like inhaling that stuff because I used to get the acrylics and I was like yeah the powder it smells so good I know it does toxic smells are just nail salon smell is a great smell it's so good also like hair dye and like bleach like I love the smell of hair bleach oh my god bleach is like my do you bleach yourself or do you go somewhere no I go I go somewhere my friend John I miss it yeah

Oh, I miss the bleach of it all. When I used to work at a hair salon, my hair was even blonder than it is right now. But I worked at this hair salon and I would get my hair done for free because I was the receptionist. So all these ladies, and it was like De Pere, Missouri, like the suburbs, but it was like not like, they weren't like, you know, like they were great, but it was just like my hair was like...

Right. Like it was like constant. I would get the smallest root and I would get my roots done. So it was just like bleach, bleach, blonde. Every week. Yeah. Drunk, falling asleep in my extensions. I had like no hair in the back. I still kind of have that like chemical cut vibe, but you know. It's actually so healthy. When you said this is your real hair, I was like, oh my God. Mine, I have pictures of it. It was like a half inch of my whole hair. Like it was just like broken all the time. Damn. Because I had to get it styled. Yeah. So when you perform, are you getting it styled all the time?

I style it myself for the most part, but I'll usually like, I'll put like a wig on myself or I'll do like a ponytail like extension. Okay. So you don't have to like put too much damage on it. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I do wigs now. I used to like be anti-wig, but even now I don't, I don't bleed. Oh, I have the like.

highlights but it saved my hair so much. Yeah. It's just safer. Yeah. But yours actually looks so great for it. Yeah. And I miss the bleach. Oh my God. It gives like Chrissy from Three's Company too. Oh yeah. It's just such a cool vibe. I know. I might go pink soon though but. Pink is cool. The picture that I saw with your pink hair I was like oh she looks so

cool on this. Yeah, I was inspired by like Snooki hair with like the rat's nest. I feel like the rat's nest is going to be really in. It's so cool. Intentional rat's nest. Yeah. We couldn't figure it out today. He's like, I don't know if it's a bun. No, you killed it. That's exactly what it is. It's just like a teased mess and it's like a clip. Yeah. It's so hard. I was like, oh my god, to find that like perfect messy bun. It is coming back. Megan Fox with her pink hair and she had like the messy bun and it just looks so cool. I feel like you're on top of those trends like that.

Thank you. Fashion too. You said you were like a fashion girl. You like all this whole thing. Do you style this yourself? Thank you. Yeah. I just kind of wear what I love. No stylist. I do have a stylist who does like my photo shoots and stuff, but like for every day. Yeah. Just every day when I'm walking around, I just kind of like, I love old Western wear. I love kind of like hardware and like stuff with spikes, like punk rock.

but I'm not like a punk rocker, but I love that kind of stuff. Are you not? You give me vibes like that. I... Sit and dance-y a little bit. Yeah, I feel like, I mean, I love the music and I feel like, like my, one of my exes was like really into like punk music and he would bring me to like shows and all this stuff and I love the culture and I love like leather jackets and like motorcycle men and all that, but...

Everyone's really like gatekeepy about like posers and stuff. So I don't know if I can. I would never be like, I'm punk because everyone would be like, no, you're not. Oh, yeah, for sure. I love to be emo for a minute, but I only like my chemical romance. Someone call me up like, you don't even know anyone else besides. I'm like, that's OK. So what? I like to be emo. And I like, I do like a punk scene, too. Like I was, there was a minute, but all I know is like sex pistols. And if you say that to a punk fan, they're like, oh, that's all you know. Oh my God, whatever. But I was like, they're cool.

they're cool though no i feel like i i listen to like i listen to like a fair amount and like i know bands like from my ex or just like stuff not even from him just growing up like you know like everyone knows like sex pistols of the clash right like it's not it's so funny when people try to gatekeep stuff that's like super famous you're like oh what i never understood it until that it becomes something you love yeah like when the elvis movie came out i was like

True. This was my thing. And now everyone's like, we love Elvis. I was like, no, stop it. You're like, not like I love Elvis. Right. But then Priscilla came out and was like, we hate Elvis. I'm like, but you know what? I still like Elvis. Yeah. You're like, good. Go on now. Because then when it happens to stuff you like and it becomes mainstream, you're like, oh, damn it. Yeah. That's how I feel. You know what I mean? I feel like that's going to be you. All your fans, once you become mainstream, they're going to be like, no. Like, it was our thing. Because you are mainstream. But you know what I mean? Once you're on SNL. Not like mainstream mainstream though.

I feel like once you become that where you're like playing the Sophie and then people are like, no, like I hear it all the time with people like Olivia Rodrigo and stuff like that. You know, she kind of like blew up and now they're like, well, we liked her before when she was on High School Musical. And I feel like that's going to be you because you have such a hardcore fan base now. Yeah. And then like I feel like at that point they're like, do you think you'll keep your style if you when you become like that? Oh, yeah. I would hope that I would never become an artist who sacrifices like my work for the sake of

mainstream success or anything like that. Like I never, anytime I make an album, it's like, yeah, I could make the songs more palatable for like radio, but like, I don't, that doesn't guarantee they'll be on the radio. And like, I don't want to make like whack, like I want to make cool music, you know? So I feel like, um, no, if I ever got like lucky enough to reach more mainstream success, I would never, no label could tell me what, no one in the world can tell me what to do. Like I'm one of those. And I feel like that,

It's kind of like the appeal of Gaga, too. Like, again, Gaga was a little bit, like, after my time. But I do feel like she was so out there and different. And I feel like that's what people like. And I feel like that's what people need now because people do censor themselves so much. And, like, I guess I get why. But it's, like, how do you want people to be, like, out there again, you know? Yeah, out there and different and, like, iconic. Like, I feel a lot of it is such a game now. And these labels, like, all these hit songwriters and these writing camps. And, like, it's just so much music that has no, like –

no soul like it has no like grit there's nothing like cool within it it's so everyone it's conceptual and it's way too radio sounding like there's no I don't know like some of my favorite hits from like yesteryear are like really odd songs like Hollaback Girl like all the Pharrell production yeah it's like that was music that had like some soul and some like beef in it like I don't know I know I hope that I feel like that's why you are such a success because that is like

it's this whole world. When I really dived into it, I was like, oh yeah, this is like this whole niche world that like no one's into, no one's like tapped into. And you're like the one. So I think once again, the gays know, you know, they kind of like feel out the stuff and then it becomes like huge. You know, it's like the Jennifer Coolidge. The gays are like Jennifer Coolidge and now she's like huge. You know, you find, but she was there. She was always there and she was always prominent. It's just like, you know, they find it and then, and they found you and they led me to you and I'm so thankful for it. I'm so thankful for it. I'm like, oh my God, when you DMed me, I literally was like, I thought it was a fake account. I was like, there's no way.

way. I was like, there's no way. I felt the same. When I started really getting into you, I was like, oh my God, this is like our new Britney. Like, this is really this. Thank you so much. And I mean that wholeheartedly because I was like, well, I don't get excited about music or musicians that much just in general. Like I said, I'm just still in the Donny Osmond era. But when I saw you and I saw this, I was just like, oh my God, this is like

like I said, not hidden because you're out there, but like for, you know, people, a lot of people like TikTok and all, they just don't know the amazingness of you. I feel like it's, I can be really self-aware about me and my music and like where I'm at. Like, I'm not huge. Like I'm not like a big, I'm not like huge with social numbers. I'm not like, I have like this cult audience, but, and I do tour and I feel like the room says as I do are even bigger than people who have bigger songs sometimes. But it's like, I, I'm like, it's like weird. I feel like I'm kind of like, um, like,

Like in this weird like underdog position almost. But I like that. Like I don't want to be. No, it's going to blow up so big. And it's like the quality of your fan base. That's what you were saying. And you know what I say too is like the quality of your fan base is so hardcore for you. Yeah. And I think that's the most amazing thing because it's not like that for everyone. You know what I mean? They kind of ride or die, which I like. I feel like there's some artists who have huge streaming numbers, like bigger than I could ever imagine. But it's like passive listeners. Like, you know, moms who throw on like a Spotify like podcast.

algorithm playlist. They're not really like into what the artist is. Right. Right. I feel like all my fans, it's like they know what I'm up to. They know where I'm at. They know what I tweeted last night. They are like. They see everything. Yeah. And you give them so much with all like your interviews and just who you are as a person and and just the visuals. I know you're just such a different person that's out there, different artists out there. And it's like. Thank you. It's amazing. And thank you, Stan Twitter, for bringing us together because I was like, I love you so much. I can't wait for I love you, Jesus. I know.

I know. I'm not even, I'm going to harm you about that. Please. Oh, please do. Because I feel like I miss music. Like I miss being creative that way. And I was like, oh God, it'd be like such iconic. And I just know, like I'm like, you're so big now, but I just, I really do feel like it will be one day where it's like so huge. And I was like, I remember she was on my podcast. No, I'll still be your home girl. Come on now. Please, always. I like really appreciate when I see you at SoFi Stadium. I'm going to be like, I know.

Oh my God. Yeah. I feel like, and I feel like it's just like on the cusp of it because everyone's just like craving something. I don't know if I'll be SoFi Stadium level. That would be like, that's a little, that's a little too big. I'd like to keep it like, um, I don't know, like what the biggest venue I'd be good at capping the level. I think you could do SoFi Stadium. I feel like The Weeknd does it by himself, right? He doesn't really like go out with anybody. He's got like the biggest songs of all time.

on streaming. I recently discovered him, but I feel like you have that same vibe. I love you. I found the idol. I'm bringing this up to everybody, but the idol was like, I'm like, who's this guy? He's amazing. Did you like the show? I loved it. Did you? I loved it. Everyone hated on it. I was like, this is 80s erotic thriller. They're just for no reason. I love it. I,

And everyone I say is like, ugh. And like, I'm not in this thing. And I was like, that's how I was introduced. I swear, my husband, I literally had no idea who the person was. I was like, this guy is everything. I love him. And then everyone's like, oh, it's like the weekend. And he's like huge or whatever like that. So he did DM me back once and said, thank you for the support after asking me to be on a podcast. But then I followed up again. I'm like, but will you be on my podcast? But he doesn't do any. He's elusive. He won't do any interviews with anyone. He's very secretive.

Yeah, but I loved the idol. I loved, you know, the pop star dream. It's the LA fantasy again, you know? Yeah, it was good. Just being wild and the sexualness of it all. The cult and the drugs. And it was definitely like a weirdly plotted show. Like, I won't lie. The plot was odd. And it wavered episode to episode. But overall, I was like, I love looking at Lily Rose Depp. Yeah, Gorge. That's one thing I know for sure. Oh, God. I love looking at The Weeknd and...

And I love the random horniness is so, it was so like 80s erotic thriller. - As you're like in the vocal booth just getting like felt up, you're just like, that's the dream. - Yeah, she's like, "Lay, lay."

And they had like Mike Dean in it. It was like such a legendary producer. It was just such a crazy. Wait, who was he in it? I don't know. Mike Dean. He was Mike Dean in the show. Oh, really? I love that you know this. Love when shows do that. He's like crazy big producer. He did like all Kanye stuff and he's like a synth like God. And he played himself in it? Yeah, he played himself. Like what scenes were it? Do you remember? Like the studio scenes. He was like making the beat. Oh my, I love that you know because I feel like I know every little piece of Idol trivia and I did not know that one. Mike Dean. Mike Dean.

Oh my gosh. He's always on Instagram making beats and like playing synths and like smoking so much weed. Oh my. Yeah. That's kind of everything. Well, I'm, I know it got canceled, but I'm still hoping for a season two and maybe they'll bring you back for it. Maybe we'll be in it. Oh yeah. We'll be naked. I just, I always want to be naked on a film or TV. That's like my goal in life. Well, just to be in like anything, film and TV, but I would love to be naked in it. I could see you having a, like a film,

like a dawning like I feel like you would have a film vibe soon I would love if I win the lottery I play the lottery every day and if I win the lottery I would definitely produce a film I would get the guy who was his name Harm Harmony Harmony Kareem Harmony Kareem I'll get him dragged I'm gonna cast you I wanna just be a bit player cause I don't think I could carry a film but I think you could carry a film oh my god and we'll do it'll be Idol Showgirls ask and maybe the weekend I think if I win the lottery tonight it's 700 million maybe I could get the weekend in it he probably doesn't need the money but ugh

He can make the songs. He said hi. He messaged back. He said thanks for your support. That's not nothing. That's not nothing. And I know it was – I feel like that one was him because his team wrote back the second time. So I was like, I feel like the first time was him. Yeah, for sure. That's what I like to believe. But I don't know. I love celebrities just like you. And so anytime anybody – you, Heidi, anybody DMs me back, I'm like, oh.

Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. I get butterflies still. Especially when people are doing mainstream stuff like you. - Oh my god, stop. - And I love you, I adore you. I can't wait to get stuff bedazzled together. - Yeah! - You guys, the one and only Slater. - Thank you so much. - Check her out everywhere.

out third album is it coming yes it is i'm making it right now you can do it again throw the country song on there yeah okay country ballad and i love you jesus remix yes and i'm not kidding i'm gonna ask you about the stems absolutely i have it for you those are one thing that i'm gonna send it to you this is gonna be amazing all right thanks internet for bringing us together and thank you slater for being here shout out to the kathy girls