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There we go. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am your host, Dave Smith. A couple orders of business before we get today's show started. Quick reminder to everybody listening live or listening when this first comes out that tonight is the night.

Robbie the Fire Bernstein's debut comedy special goes live on YouTube tonight. So make sure to check that out. Support Robbie. It's a great hour of comedy, man. You guys are really going to enjoy it. Rob's hilarious. And so make sure to check that out. And then real quick, I have...

probably been neglectful in promoting these shows because, it's coming up next weekend and I'm just totally preoccupied with everything going on this week. But Friday, I will be in a Poughkeepsie with Robbie the fire Bernstein. And then Sunday we will be in Philadelphia. So comic Dave smith.com for those ticket links, make sure to get that. And then last thing I promise, of course, live election day show with Patrick bet. David, uh,

at down there in Fort Lauderdale with the Valuetainment guys. I'm jumping on a plane the day after tomorrow to go down to that. So looking forward to that. We'll be giving you live election results and who knows, twice in my life we have not known the president the night of election day, which was 2000 and 2020.

This feels like a real possibility for 2024, but we will see. Perhaps we will have the results that night. Either way should be a good show. All right. So for today's show, um, a little bit different than our normal time because I'm doing a lot of traveling, but I have here with me, the man, the myth, the legend, uh,

My foreign policy guru, the great Scott Horton. Of course, he is the author of Fool's Errand, Enough Already. And as many of you know, he's been working these last couple years on Provoked, which is, I've read an advanced copy, man. It's just phenomenal. The book is coming out very soon. This is not the podcast about the book, but...

Since this is what everybody's going to be asking, first off, Scott, how are you? Welcome to the show. Why don't you tell people a little bit about when they can expect the book and for anyone who doesn't know what the book is about?

Hey, Dave. Thanks for having me. Of course. Yeah. I'm doing my, I hope, final read-through right now, and then it's the very last of the technical. I still got to do page numbers and chapter headings and table of contents and all that. Forget the index. Just buy the Kindle version and look it up that way if you want.

But then, yeah, the plan, I always say two weeks. I'm like, you ever see Tom Hanks and Shelley Long in the Money Pit? Two weeks. That's me in the book.

But I'm really going for that. And in fact, I've I'm now I've been so bold as to put up a preorder page at provoked book dot com or Scott Horton dot org slash provoked. It'll forward you on to there. And so we're taking preorders now because I got this show and I got Tom Woods and some other things, you know, this week. So I figure I might as well go ahead and get that started. And then that's, you know, like the kids throwing their hat over the fence. Now you got to go climb it. So I'm going to have to pull the trigger on this thing.

very relatively soon now. Um, so, um, I'm, I'm really hoping it'll be two weeks. And then it's the story of everything that Bush senior Bill Clinton, Bush jr, uh, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden and John McCain and Hillary Clinton did to ruin America's relationship with Russia after the end of the last cold war and to start the new cold war. And of course the catastrophe in Ukraine as the subtitle says there. So that's the book. And it's, um,

as they say comprehensive sure is that you think um but it's got look I got um as long as we're talking about it I got all the NATO promises and NATO expansion I got shock therapy and all of the color code of the Balkan Wars the color-coded revolutions and including the Maidan Revolution of 2014

And then a lot of the backstory, the history of the different conflicts over Crimea and different parts of Ukraine, the history of the world wars and all that going back. And then I have a whole section on Russiagate.

And Trump years there, of course, and then on the war itself and where we are now. And so that's what took so long. But every attempted and failed coup in Belarus is in there, all of them, everything. So.

uh that's what people are looking for is the full story that's the full story from bush senior all the way through today i was uh i was talking about the book with a mutual friend of ours and i i said at one point i said it's as if scott's prosecuting the case against the regime for how this whole situation you know is all there yeah and but it

It feels like it's like the prosecutor's case is so airtight that like halfway through the book, you could see the regime just stand up in court and be like, we'd like to change our case. Like, do we have to? All right, fine. And it really is. It's very satisfying for someone like me

you know who's been out in the world kind of arguing about this over the last few years to just be because it's so thorough and comprehensive and it's just like come on man like look at this in black and white and tell me that this wasn't like that we didn't at every single inch pursue the

most aggressive hostile policy toward russia constantly you know it's like the whole book is is as you've been you know talking about for for the last few years just you see all of the different off ramps all of the off ramps where it didn't have to end here it could have ended in so many different places there could it's not even like even after doing everything wrong through the 90s and everything wrong through the first 10 years of the 21st century there was still opportunity after opportunity

And instead at every turn, they were like, nope, we're driving toward conflict. We're not getting off here on Peace Boulevard. Conflict is right ahead. Let's keep driving forward. So anyway, I just, I'm very excited for everybody to read it. And the next time we have you on this show, it will be because the book is out and we're spending an episode promoting that. Hey, let me say real quick, two things. One of them is,

Part of the good part of being so old is that I've been messing with antiwar.com for 20 years now, a little more. And so ever since the Orange Revolution back then, and working with Justin Raimondo and all the guests on the show, we really call this this whole time for 20 years. Just like moving into Iraq in 2003, it's like the slowest motion train wreck of things that did not have to happen. You can go find...

And that's how I know so much about it is because I've been covering it this whole time. And then the other thing is, I hope people aren't too intimidated by the size of the book because almost half of that is footnotes. It's literally hundreds of pages worth of footnotes, more than 6,000 footnotes, 7,000 citations because a lot of footnotes have more than one citation. So there are some pages where...

there's more citations on the page than there are, uh, pair, you know, space of, of paragraphs of prose. So, um, that's, you know, showing my work and, and, you know, hopefully proven that I'm a reliable narrator, but also, um, giving you guys the opportunity to follow up and see whether all these, uh, footnotes say what I say, they say, um, by steering toward, and I have them all right there at the bottom of the page, um,

so that you can check my work as you're reading so that's how I like it so that's how I did it and um so that's part of why it's like that is because uh the overkill on the citations there but I hope that's useful for people too yeah 100 and also like you know if you live in a blue state where you're not allowed to have guns and someone breaks into your house at the middle of the night now you got something to whack them over the head with so it's all wow yeah he's doing a lot for you you're not going to survive too many of those heads

- Seriously. - Or like if you're real short and you gotta give a speech, you just stand behind the podium, you know? - So I wanted, the reason I wanted to have you on today, which obviously of course you're our great foreign policy expert, but I wanted to talk about something more broadly. So I had Michael Malice on the show recently, and then I just went on Tom Woods' show. And of course I've done a bunch of episodes about, you know,

the election, a lot of libertarians are supporting Trump in it. I've kind of been beaten down to saying that I also am going to vote for Donald Trump. There's a lot of drama about the Libertarian Party. And I just kind of felt like I think my audience should also hear from you about this stuff before the election as you're kind of one of the pillars in this movement. So you could start almost wherever you want to with this.

But what are what are Scott Horton's thoughts on the 2024 election, which really has been a wild one and and different in so many ways than any election I've ever seen? What do you think about all this?

Well, most I regret that I've been writing a book. I always do this. This happened in 2016 and in 2020 as well. I want to cover the election all year long on my radio show. And now I'm hardly a radio show at all. I'm an author. It sucks. I'm going back to being a radio show as soon as possible because I love talking about this kind of stuff. You know, of course.

It's hugely important. And, you know, in my I don't know, you might be too young for this, but when Futurama first came out, they had Robert Johnson versus John Robertson. And they're like running against each other for president. And I was going, I think your three percent capital gains increase is too extreme. And he's going, I think it's not too extreme enough. And then like, that's it.

bush versus gore you know uh this is not quite like that right it's a bit different than that i mean the parties i mean if we're talking mcconnell and schumer then yes right we still live in their world um but as far as like who's the figurehead sitting in the chair behind the desk actually and look i know i just said figurehead and a lot of people say that and there is i'm on a show here um but uh

You know, the president in the United States has a lot of power, a lot. And you can see it, especially with Donald Trump, where he's willing to do things on a whim. It does matter who's sitting at that desk. And you have, I mean, what can you say? You got Donald Trump, who's a caricature of his own self, versus Kamala Harris, who is the emptiest suit anyone has ever seen. And the polls say that they're neck and neck.

You know, I don't know. I can, um, I try very hard to put myself in as many other shoes as I can and not just see the world through my own stupid eyes. I'm very biased in all of my very biased ways. Um, I try very hard to believe that people believe in her and I can see how on the margin there's gotta be some, but,

And I can see why people just, they never liked Trump and now they even more don't like him. Maybe even if they already lean left, maybe they've been just completely hooked into the hysteria about his danger of what he represents. You know, America will never be America again after this because he's going to turn it into a Nazi stand or whatever thing. You know, I could see people voting for her out of fear of him or whatever.

Even I think this is a big part of how he lost the last election. He should have won it by 50 points, as Hillary would say or whatever. But it was just people were exhausted and half of it wasn't his fault. Half of it was the false accusations against him. But half of it was his fault that like just all day long, it's Trumpian antics. And people are just don't want to have to care about what the president's doing and saying every single day of their life. The way it is under him where it's constantly the Trump show, you know. Yeah.

So I think there could be maybe people just want to not have to live that way again or whatever and would see her. And she's – is she basically running as Joe Biden, right? Like everybody knows that he is –

essentially not there. It's ruled by committee and that you can trust that it's basically the same committee is going to be around her helping to, you know, carry her along or whatever. And so if you like this, then keep with this same safe state status quo kind of thing compared to whatever Trump represents. It's going to be disruptive, right?

You know, if you like it, then good. But if you don't, then, you know, maybe people I could see. I'm trying. You see why I'm rationalizing here, how people could try, you know, in their mind to figure how she could be the better choice. Just like the last two elections, I will be rooting for Trump. I cannot vote for the man. There's just he is so far over the line on so many things. But then again, to like.

I got to tell you, Dave, every time they lie, I move a click to the right. And it's every day. Like right now, I'm like somewhere between Suharto and Genghis Khan. Right. Like I like I I want to throw a communist off of something or something. I'm I'm upset. I mean, when they told me.

And look, I mean, it happens every day, right? The latest one is that Trump said that Liz Cheney should be executed when he was just calling her a chicken hawk. He said, give her a rifle.

and put her out. That's not a firing squad. Like, don't lie. I don't like it when you lie to me kind of thing. And then they told me, and I met this guy because I was piling around with you. I met Tony Hinchcliffe. I seen him on the TV there when he was making fun of the football man. And I know that he's not just a comedian. He's a Don Rickles guy. He's a guy that goes, ha ha, your wife left you and whatever. You're black, blah, blah. He's a comedian. He's an insult comic, right?

Those are not exact quotes of him. I was. Yes. But that's the joke. And forgive me, Tony Hedgecliff, for saying this, but just for people who don't understand who maybe are coming from a different perspective on this. It's sort of like Sarah Silverman. The joke is that she would dare say such a thing.

Or that she's in, she's playing a character who would be so tone deaf to say such a horrible deal or whatever. That's the joke. And so you can pretend to not get it, but you're just pretending it's still a joke. But I met this guy and then I got to read in the New York Times that Tony Hinchcliffe is a man who made remarks. Yeah.

That hurt people's feelings and were racially insensitive and this and that. Like, I'm sorry. That's like an H bomb goes off in my head when you lie. And I'll tell you why, too. It's because of my tiny, fragile, childish little ego. I don't like being called stupid like that. And when you're telling me that I'm so stupid that I'm going to believe you that Tony Hinchcliffe is a man and not an insult comic.

who told an insulting joke because that's his thing, then like, yeah, that makes me want to vote for Trump three times just to spite them. Somebody was just playing me a clip. Oh, no, I saw it in the margin at town hall of, of course, everybody films their every interaction out in public with strangers now. Right. And so it's a black Trump voter being lectured by a white

Kamala Harris voter, liberal woman who's like the most hectoring, you know, Hillary Clinton, NPR, you know, Prius driving lady hectoring this black woman that, oh, how could you vote for Trump and all of this thing? And I was like, man, just I do. I hate liberal white women so much right now and other liberal women, too, I guess. But mostly the white ones. I don't know why they're just the more obnoxious to me and the more condescending. And

I could see maybe voting for an Israeli spy like Donald Trump for president if just the collateral damage would be that these women would cry for the next four years and bankrupt their husbands, their weak, pathetic husbands, that they must be on therapy bills for all their panic disorders and all other things. I just, I want them to be miserable. I hate them. I hate them, dude. The women who all believed Russiagate, right?

Right? Like these are the women who was, I'm totally ripping someone else. Probably wasn't. Oh, I know what it was. I was watching this great YouTube about the me too movement.

And how it was totally crazy and all these innocent people got hurt or whatever. And he was like, yeah, it's like the Salem witch trials, which was at least initially led by women, right? Like they're the worst kinds of truthers when they all get in a gaggle on The View and decide that they know what's going on in the world. Vladimir Putin has inflicted this New York real estate tycoon on us somehow, everyone. And like it's the dumbest crap that they talk themselves into believing that

And right now they think that Donald Trump is a white supremacist Nazi Hitler who wants to enslave them and put them all in concentration camps. And they sound like Alex Jones in 1997. Bill Clinton is going to suspend the Constitution and put us all in camps. That's what all the liberals at...

the new republic and the atlantic and cnn and msnbc sound like right now and and the view and whoopi goldberg and all the women who believe them and okay good i want them to be that afraid like i know that that's not going to happen but i want them to

wallow in the fear caused by the depths of their stupidity and depravity in their willingness to go along with power. And it's not just because they ruined Star Wars, and that is part of it. They did ruin Star Wars, and

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Everything that the Democrats have done, it's all cumulative to me, you know, but it's the day to day lies that just drive me out of my mind. I just can't stand it. Oh, Donald Trump. I says to my wife who she's not watching the news much lately, but she used to live in New York City. You know, she's one of the Jews who didn't show up at the World Trade Center that day, Dave, because she was sick, not because she was warned. But anyway.

I says to her, I says, "Hey, honey, what's the most important entertainment venue in New York City?"

And she goes, well, Madison Square Garden, of course. I can't. Hey, has anybody held any events there since 1939? She's like, yeah, everybody. What are we talking about? I think Adam Yowk was up there singing She's Crafty, you know, in 1986. What are we talking about here? And then and the only parallel they have, the only parallel is Madison Square Garden rally.

That's it. And I'm supposed to swallow this whole that Trump and they don't even pretend to say why you should believe that Trump held this rally at Madison Square Garden as some sort of homage to these Nazis.

And as his like secret code to all every single person on the right in America who are all secret Hitler lovers, even though our fathers all fought the Nazis in the second or our grandfathers fought the Nazis in the Second World War. But anyway, no, that kind of thing, man. It's again, it's my fragile, pathetic little ego. I can't stand being told that I'm stupid enough to believe that. I just can't stand it.

And again, I want to make the people who are stupid enough to believe it, I want them to be that fearful and miserable because F them. Yeah. Well, especially – it's interesting from like the radical libertarian point of view because –

you know, we kind of live in this world where we're like, okay, first of all, you're all Nazis. Yeah. Right. You know, of course, they're all fascists. Yeah. It was like, well, it reminds me, I was getting into this argument with like this corner of right wing Twitter, uh,

So basically, there's a bunch of right-wingers on Twitter who are in love with calling Kamala Harris a communist. And when I was on Tucker Carlson's show last time, I was talking about how stupid this talking point is from Donald Trump. I was like, calling Kamala Harris a communist is like, I don't know, it sounds to everyone who's not 80 like something their grandpa would say. And also, like, what do you really mean? I mean, she's not a Marxist. She's a tool for big business.

business. This isn't, you know, like our, our economy that's run by big banks and big pharmaceutical companies and big weapons companies aren't about to nationalize the means of production. Like this is all stuff. But anyway, so I got in this argument with a few right wingers who want, who are like, no, no, no. And let me give you the argument for why she is a communist. And it is the same thing where you're like, okay, first off, I know this stuff better than you. And if there's any argument that she's a communist,

Fine. But then they're all communists. Like this, it still doesn't just apply to her. Then you're not, you're not defeating the communist by voting for Marco Rubio or something, dude. Like they're all that, you know what I mean? So it's like, whatever, if you actually want, if anyone wanted to have an interesting conversation about like the

the evils of fascism or even Nazism, it's like, okay, then we could talk about the similarities that our regime has with those regimes. Or we could talk about all of the Nazis that were absorbed into the United States of America after the Second World War. Like there's a lot of really interesting topics there, but of course they want to have the dumbest conversation. The only other thing I will say also is that

I saw the news reports about Donald Trump threatening or wishing violence on Liz Cheney before I saw his clip. And my first thought when I saw the news reports was like, I'm already voting for the guy. I can't vote for him anymore. I could try. I could go back and try to vote for him again. But anyway, that's- Cindy Sheehan put out a thing that says-

Oh, Orange Man Bad promises to execute Lizard Cheney? Fine, I'll vote for him. You're finally convincing the Sheehan to turn out to vote Republican, guys. Oh, yeah, it's all... Well, look, it's... I will say, and maybe you... I don't know if you feel the same way. Oh, wait, I was going to make a joke about... Go ahead. The thing where...

Oh, one general told Jeffrey Goldberg that Trump said Hitler did a lot of good things in the beginning and they're all having a big fit about that. It was like all of the things that Hitler did in the beginning are all things that you love. Yeah.

Giant infrastructure projects, inflationary money, war, you know, all of it. The Hitlerian program, basically other than the black leather and the marching up and down, this is you guys. You kill millions of people all the time. Everyone knows it.

- Down to the architecture. You love all of it. You love the whole thing. Go look at Washington, DC, man. They love every inch of it. Like you said, maybe not- - All the giant flags and yeah. - Yeah, maybe not the uniforms and maybe not the seizing of Jewish businesses. But other than that, if you're talking before like the war, they love everything.

fascism with American characteristics dude we call the New Deal you know well actually and and whatever it's interesting chapter in history but you know the Nazis borrowed quite a bit from the progressives like they were keeping their eyes on the progressive movement in America and in fact

That's where the eugenics stuff comes from. Yes, yes. Hey, the Klan were leaders of the clean-up government, man. There's way too much corruption in government. The Ku Klux Klan is here to end this patronage system. You know, they actually – I remember reading about this years ago. I'd have to go back and find where I read this. But the Nazis –

Um, when they first were, were coming to power, they first won the big, they won like a bunch of seats in, I want to say it was in 30 in 1930, they had, uh, uh, elections in Germany and it was like the first successful, like Nazi party actually got some seats in there. And, um, one of the things they were talking about with how to deal with the Jewish problem was like what the standard was.

for how do you decide someone's Jewish? You know, you got a whole lot of mixed people. Germany was not a primitive ancient society. You know what I mean? And they considered the Southern Democrats one drop rule.

of what you consider. And then they rejected that as just being too extreme. And so they were ultimately like, and then they settled on, I think it was like two grandparents. If you had two grandparents who were Jewish, you were considered Jewish. But it is just kind of a funny little note of history that even they were kind of like, well, I mean, hmm.

When you're actually implementing this, we'd need some type of system to determine it. They were like, I don't know, these Southern Democrats are a bit extreme with their one-drop policy. I mean, come on. You know, John Taylor Gatto, I'm sure you've read him, right? About the origins of American education. He wrote about how when the Nazis would forcibly sterilize a woman, they called it the Indiana Procedure.

Because that's who they were copying with that. Yeah. So anyway, there's anyway, there's a lot of embarrassing history there. Yeah. So I, I will say there's obviously there's look, there's to say that Donald Trump has his flaws is an understatement. And there's, you know, lots of policies where he has just been,

you know, kind of unforgivable. And I certainly, as I said on Tom's show the other day, I mean, if there's any libertarian who were to say to me, I, you know, I just cannot vote for a president who supported lockdowns or I cannot vote for a president who backed the Saudis war in Yemen or whatever, his rhetoric on Israel or any of that stuff. I can't really argue with you. Yeah, he's awful on those things. I understand.

We are in kind of a weird, unique situation, though, both with, I think, how awful the Kamala Harris campaign is and not just it's not that she's so uniquely awful. I mean, I'm not going to say she's more evil than John McCain. You know, the Republicans have run some bad candidates. I'm not going to say she's more evil than than Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.

There is does seem to be something different, though, about the Kamala Harris campaign where you're actually unlike all of those guys. You're running there. First of all, the sitting president was essentially cooed out of his reelection campaign.

I mean, obviously he's senile and in no position to be president of the United States, but that's what the 25th amendment's for. You know, like you could invoke the 25th amendment and remove him. You can't do whatever the hell they just did, which, you know, we could get into, but,

And then she's running on just literally, as you said, like nothing. Essentially, I'm nothing. And implicitly, I'm government by committee will continue, I guess. But explicitly, it's like, I'm just going to tell you that I grew up in a middle class. You know, like I have nothing else to say. And it does...

you know, particularly at a time where we've kind of seen what the machine wants to do over the last few years and what they'll continue to do. There's not much benefit to that. And it does seem like Donald Trump, at least in this

at least in this election cycle, has made some attempts to throw some promises, throw some red meat out to people who are concerned with the type of stuff that we're concerned with. So, like, I don't know. What do you think of all that?

Well, you know, I believe it when I see it. I mean, the big one that everybody's really excited about is the promise that Ron Paul could get some kind of position helping Elon Musk fire people and close departments and stuff like this. But the fact of the matter is, you need real consensus in the country. You're going to close departments down.

I just don't think they're going to do that. And man, my whole life I've heard politicians run against waste, fraud and abuse. What they mean by that is they're going to cut point zero zero zero zero one percent from nothing. Fire the janitor, the one guy in the building they needed, you know, keep everybody else. I don't take that seriously at all. You want to, you know, end waste, fraud and abuse. Abolish the central bank.

closed down entirely the Commerce Department, the Department of Education, the IRS, the ATF, at least two thirds of the FBI. I'm being generous today.

Right. If we're going to talk about Ron Paul and downsizing government in any serious sense, then we're talking about questioning the post New Deal, post World War Two consensus on the role of the national government in our society. Does anybody really think that that's happening? Come on. And I love Angela McArdle and she may be right. Who knows? You know,

exactly what influence she might have, you know, but I was like complaining. I was on a show with her yesterday. I says, you know, Miriam Adelson wrote Trump a check for a hundred million dollars. And she's like, yeah, well, I'm talking with her people all the time. Says, did you write him a check for a hundred million dollars?

And so like, yeah, the libertarians, if you're Donald Trump, do the libertarians need to be patted on the head and placated somehow, you know, free their one guy from jail maybe or whatever. That'd be great if they did. And I mean, that'd be everything to Ross and to his mother. You know what I mean? So like, I'm not trying to sell that short, but like, uh, I'm not one to take bribes well either. I mean, the thing is the very worst thing about Trump is what an Israeli chump he is, but he's,

Even though everything that's happened in Palestine for the last year is all his fault,

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the ones who gave Benjamin Netanyahu all those bombs and sanctified this and armed it. They gave him $23 billion worth of weapons and aid extra in the last year to slaughter these poor people. And Trump didn't do that. He might well have. He might have told Netanyahu, look, just kill them all and finish the project once and for all. I don't know. And he still might.

Yeah. I don't know any reason why Donald Trump wouldn't just tell Netanyahu, do whatever you want. I don't care. And then who's going to stop him then? The EU? And as they always say, ask for forgiveness later instead of permission first. So it wouldn't be that hard for the Israelis to start, you know, heavy shelling of the major cities of the West Bank and try to cleanse those people and force them into Jordan. At least millions of them. There's three million there.

Kick out two out of three or whatever. Would Netanyahu go that far? Sure, if the U.S. president would let him. And does Donald Trump know any reason why in the world he shouldn't just let Netanyahu, as he said, quote, quote, finish the job is what he told Netanyahu the other day. Well, what do you mean by that? How about, well, we finished cleansing all of historic Palestine.

And we'll call it greater Israel. How about that for finish the job? And what does Donald Trump really care? His son-in-law in, I guess people don't know this. It seems like they should talk about this every day, all the time. His son-in-law, Jared Kushner, you know, the guy who was in charge of his entire middle East policy for four years is Benjamin Netanyahu's godson. The whole time when he was a young boy growing up in New York city, when Benjamin Netanyahu would come to town, he had to sleep on the couch because Benjamin Netanyahu would sleep in his bed.

Google that. Okay, that's who Jared Kushner is. He's an Israeli agent. He's an Israeli sign him. He's here to represent the interests of a foreign power and he's got Donald Trump completely pwned like the gimp in the box on Pulp Fiction pwned. So Donald Trump can dress up like Pat Buchanan all he wants. He's not Pat Buchanan.

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I'm running an anti-racism campaign, but I am for slavery. Yeah. Hey, by the way, so a lot of people are listening to this. I should explain what I mean, and I'll do it real quick here. Sure. What he did was when he was president before was one he quote unquote recognized as though he has any authority whatsoever to recognize Israel's seizure of Syria's Golan Heights, which they stole in 67 and officially annexed in 1981, but that no one else ever recognized until him. And his story told the story about it.

I told him, tell me about the Golan Heights for five minutes. And after a couple of minutes, I interrupted, said, fine, you can have it. In other words, he didn't know anything about it. He never even heard the word Druze before. He doesn't know whose property that is or where they're from or what. The Israelis want the land. It's high ground, huh? And you need it, you say. OK, fine. It's yours, he said. For money, for money that they gave to him, you know, to his family, to his son in law.

Then they rigged these Abraham Accords and everybody says, oh, this is his great victory. But what this is, is it's engineering the final sellout of the Palestinians, that they'll never get independence and they'll never get citizenship. They will be, you know, the lowest caste Indians on a reservation forever.

And that no one's ever coming for you again. And not that any of these countries ever promised to come for them and really help them, but just they promised never to normalize relations with Israel until the Palestinians got their fair share. And that's always been the hope, right? Like the hope from the Palestinians from the very beginning has always been that the surrounding Arab countries

nations with their populations who are like 100 percent on the Palestinian side of this, that they would someday come to their rescue because, you know, or at least politically. Well, right. They actually like maybe through militaries. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It could just be. Yeah. The nations of the region are just never going to normalize relations with you until you do the right thing. Like it shouldn't have to be any harder than that.

Right. The Saudis put out a great peace plan back in 02. Right. Colin Powell was for it, you know? So,

But so that was part of it, right? Not necessarily that anyone's really coming for you literally, but like maybe they'll pressure the government of Israel to finally give in and, and do the right thing here, you know? Um, and so this was the final sellout of them by, uh, Morocco, Sudan, Bahrain, and UAE by normalizing. And then they were working on Saudi Arabia, normalizing relations and telling the Palestinians you're screwed, you get nothing. And, um,

That was Netanyahu's big speech at the U.N. at the end of September 23, bragging that he got away with it all. And then it was just three weeks later that the October 7th riot happened where they broke out of their cage and said, no, the status quo will not hold. And instead we got this. And then this was the reaction that they provoked is something, you know, approximating. I mean,

I'm not up to date, really. You got to ask the guys from antiwar.com. But there's, you know, major operations and apparently a renewed cleansing campaign going on in North Gaza now where they're going to cleanse at least major portions of it more than before. And, you know, I don't know. I know that

someday they'd like to own all of Southern Lebanon up to the Latani river. If they can going back to Jabotinsky, you know, greater Israel, they mean it is, you know, the Eastern border be the Euphrates river all the way to Kuwait, if they can have their way. And the American people can afford it, Dave. So I don't know why not, you know,

But look, so, and then he also recognized, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. And this is something that Clinton and W. Bush had promised to do. I don't think Barack Obama ever said he would, but Clinton and Bush have both promised to do this. But the idea was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Someday, someday, but never do it because it's really important symbolism because the Israelis have the way they put it in their slogan is this is the eternal indivisible United capital of Israel forever and ever and ever. And then, but,

But so if that's true and it has the American stamp of approval on it, then that means that East Jerusalem will not be the capital of a Palestinian state, which was always the plan if they were ever going to have their independent state. So it's not just like, Oh boo hoo. I care which street your embassy is on. The point is that by moving it from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, America was ratifying the Israelis claim to the entire city, including the Eastern hat. And which of course means, uh,

It severely implies the further cleansing of the Palestinian Muslims and Christians that still live in East Jerusalem and eventually the seizure of the last of their holy sites. And if the Israelis blow up the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build the third temple there, then we're going to have a world war.

And that's what's at stake there. And Donald Trump goes, oh, you want East Jerusalem, huh? You want me to move the embassy? Gee, Sheldon Adelson gave me a bunch of money. And gee, he's a casino guy that I always really respected for being bigger and better in the casino business than me. I guess if he says I should move the embassy there and he gave me a bunch of money, then sure.

And so he did. And so it goes to show that one, he doesn't know anything about it. He doesn't give a damn about the Palestinians whatsoever. And he can be bribed with simple green dollars, even though he's already in his late 70s and his grandkids are already set for life. And he's already been the president of the United States of America before.

And the idea that he's going to get in there and say, oh, Miriam Adelson, I'm not really your friend. I'm not really fond of you. And I don't really appreciate the hundreds of millions of dollars you and your husband have given me. And now you can go screw yourself, lady, because now I'm George Washington and I'm going to put America first. And Israel can go suck up to Russia if you don't like it. Yeah, right. He's going to do that. And then if he doesn't do that, well, what's never mind the opposite of that? What's just short of that?

He's W. Bush for another four years. That's what.

Yeah, well, certainly when it comes to relations with Israel, I mean, how about the worst? Yeah, yeah. Well, look, I mean, there's like you said, I mean, he did go a step further than even W was willing to. Do you where there is a stronger case for Donald Trump is on the topic that, of course, you're writing. You're just finishing this book on where there does seem to be.

at least rhetorically and of course you can get into it's in the book and I highly recommend people uh read it Donald Trump's track record on Ukraine is not good and his track record with Russia is not good however

There does seem to be, at least at times, a meaningful difference in the rhetoric between the Biden administration and Donald Trump the entire campaign. And since well before he was subbed out for Kamala Harris.

Donald Trump has been saying some actually pretty great things. Now, he'll go back and forth. At one point, he'll say, I just want the killing to stop. I could negotiate an end to this in a day. The war will be over if I'm in there. And then at other points, he'll start talking about how Europe isn't paying their fair share or something like that, which doesn't...

You know, it's kind of this slippery thing where you're like, wait a minute, I liked that last guy. What's this guy talking about? Like our our beef here isn't just getting some additional funding from the other European countries. However, it's hard to ignore that he does seem he does his from day one, despite all of the Russiagate nonsense, which is also in the book.

Yes, it is. There's Donald Trump's attitude toward Russia and certainly the way he's talked about this war over the last year or two. It's hard to argue that it's not light years better than where the Democrats are at. Sure. Yeah. And, you know, he ain't Ron Paul. So he says things like, well, look, if Trump if Putin doesn't do what I want, well, I'm

I'll massively increase arms to Ukraine and I'll force them, you know, whatever. That's the only way you can think about it, you know. So and look, whatever you just say. Yeah, he has to say tough guy stuff. That's how you close the deal. But I think, you know, he surely does not want the war. And I think it is probably true that the war would not have happened if he was there.

You know, he says that about Hamas, like, oh, they just would have been too scared of him to fight back or something like that. But when he says that about Ukraine, I think it's more realistic because I think just he had any kind of better relationship compared to Joe Biden, who's just absolutely hated Putin for, you know, since at least the late Bush years, since at least like 07, 08. I'm not sure exactly when Biden turned on Putin. He liked him for a little while there, but.

maybe even by like 05 when he went after Yukos Kordakovsky. But he's, you know, insulted Putin to his face in 2011 in Russia. And, you know, he, so there's just that enmity there between them. And then also, and I think this must be a big part of it, that

Putin saw Biden's weakness. He just saw that, like, I'm going to be able to do this and didn't think that Biden would be able to do anything to stop him. And then probably he was reaffirmed in that thinking, watching the fall of Afghanistan and how indecisive Biden was in finishing out the withdrawal there. Not withdrawing at all, but just botching it the way he did. And

You know, the Bob Woodward book, the new Bob Woodward book has quotes from the high level intelligence officials saying that they assess that, that they even claimed, I think, to have sources in Russia saying this was part of their thinking was that Afghanistan made Biden look so weak that they thought, yeah, we can definitely press our advantage now. But the problem is you got to throw out that whole Bob Woodward book because he's got a big fake quote of Sergei Lavrov on page 88 saying,

and so and then the whole book the whole point of a bob woodward book is he has quotes from people that nobody else can talk to but he gets interviews with but so if he's lying about a quote that i can check on the osce website then what is he saying when he's quoting lincoln and sullivan and the rest of these people like if they don't dispute all the quotes then i'm supposed to accept them or something i don't know i just can't

I started to write a note in my book because I had actually you know what, man, in that book, there's all kinds of quotes of Biden saying how right I am about everything. Like I started quoting some good stuff in there. And Averill Haynes, the DNI, I had them admitting, oh, yeah, Horton's right after all, blah, blah, blah, all over the place. And I had to cut all those quotes out once I got to the part where Woodward's lying to me.

I started to write in the footnotes, well, you got to kind of take these with a grain of salt. And I'm like, I can't put quotes that you got to take with a grain of salt in the book. We're like, I'm all right. I got to disclaim, even though he is the most prominent journalist in America. But like, he just happened to have a quote in there. I and I happen to be writing a book about this. I have the Lavrov quote already. I know what he said. So when I read the live version of it, I'm like, hey, I know that quote. And that's not right.

And so it's, it's page 88. If anybody wants to check this out and also Amazon removed my review about this saying that I claimed I got an inauthentic copy of the book. That's not what I said. I said, there's a fake quote on page 88. So I had a great one-star review on there and they took it down and there's now all the one-star reviews are my book was torn or whatever, and no criticism of the actual substance of the thing. But if anyone wants to check,

The quote is the playing with fire quote of Lavrov on page 88. If anybody, I'm not selling it. If anybody already has the new Woodward book and then go and check the OSCE websites from December, I'm pretty sure December 2nd, 2021, but certainly December, 2021. And you'll find the quote from Sergey Lavrov playing with fire and you'll see how Bob Woodward turns the meaning of the quote entirely upside down.

He's saying, essentially, it's so reckless the way you guys completely disregard our opinion about your expansion of the NATO alliance. And then he butchers the quote into saying, Lavrov is saying that America has no right to decide who should be in its alliance or not, which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever because that's not what he said. The whole thing is stupid. But anyway, point just being, you can't trust Bob Woodward to tell you a quote, right?

Not when Google's right there and you can check him. So it sucks because there are a bunch of quotes in there. Biden going, yeah, it's NATO expansion is really got Putin paranoid. That guy is so paranoid about NATO expansion, Dave. And like, no,

Yeah, I guess I can't have that in the book after all then. Thanks a lot, Bob. Jerk. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is CrowdHealth. Health insurance is broken. Premiums are increasing, deductibles are getting larger, and claim denials are becoming more common. The headache of health insurance is exactly why CrowdHealth was created. It's not health insurance. It's a better way to pay for healthcare through crowdfunding.

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Okay. So, but there is, I think, no question that there, look, there's, it's not just Trump. It's the core of people, or at least a lot of the people around him. Yeah. And a lot of the, who will, you know, when it, when it comes to Israel, even the guys who are good around Trump,

aren't going to just say it the way it is. They're all going to tiptoe. They're all going to tiptoe around that one, even though there are a couple of people in Trump's orbit who are pretty damn good on the issue. But regardless of that, when it comes to Ukraine, they pretty much all just say it. I mean, it's kind of unbelievable. But if you hear J.D. Vance

talk about Ukraine. If you hear, I mean, the people like one more degree like that, like David Sachs is phenomenal on the issue. But in general, I think Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson and Vivek Ramaswamy and like Bobby Kennedy. I mean, these guys, when, I mean, if you asked any of them to talk about Ukraine, okay, none of them are going to do it with the detail knowledge that you do. But

almost any one of them, if they were talking about Ukraine, would be you would feel more than comfortable just standing and clapping for what they said. You'd be like, I don't even need to force my correction in there. Very good. You know, so there does seem to be something there that it looked like. I just feel like it would be unfair to ignore. Yeah, no, you're right. And look, this is really the most important issue in the world.

Israel-Palestine is one that really gets under my skin because I'm still carrying a grudge from that time that Israel lied us into Iraq War II and Syria, for that matter. Yeah. Well, and it's also the worst thing happening in the world. And it is. It's the worst thing. And I just say that because I don't know exactly how you measure all these different conflicts, but just the number of kids dying. The number of kids dying alone just makes it the worst thing in the world. I mean, yeah, because the difference there is in Ukraine, it's

almost entirely combatants fighting combatants and there are missile strikes that hit cities and this kind of thing some infrastructure stuff but mostly the civilians have fled where the fighting is taking place and it's conscripts fighting conscripts which is still a horror show to me they're like just half a degree removed from being a civilian you know they're an enslaved combatant so they're fair game but only unfair game really um

But that's not the same as the slaughter in Gaza. On the other hand, the Ukraine war has the potential to turn into the worst thing far beyond anything that anyone could imagine.

and a real potential and when we talked about this a couple years ago i says to you i says this is an emergency we got a war on russia's border but dave right now we got a war inside russia and since the end of august the ukrainians took a couple hundred square miles of kursk oblast there that's what they call province and the russians have taken about half of it back by now but

You know, this is like counting on the cool, patient wisdom of George W. Bush to see you through, right? Like Vladimir Putin...

We're benefiting right now from the fact that this guy is such a sociopath that he's like, oh, they invaded Kursk, huh? Well, kill them as soon as you can. And apparently doesn't get all upset because, man, what have he got all upset? That guy, Dmitry Medvedev, that replaced him for a little while, that guy gets upset. You know what I mean? This guy Putin is like, oh, well, we'll have to make sure that they all die horribly or whatever. But it's just business to him. Yeah.

He doesn't even give a damn when they invade Kursk. Apparently, he doesn't react in any way other than standing orders apply. Kill them till they're dead. Drive them out of the thing. He already incorporated four provinces of Ukraine into Russia officially. So I guess in his mind, Kursk isn't any different than Luhansk or Donetsk at this point. I don't know. But...

Man. OK, so if he had a bad day, we could have a nuclear war over just that. Right. I mean, Moscow is only two, three hundred miles from Kharkiv. Anyway, we're talking spitting distance here to the capital city. And I'm not saying that there is no reason for them to perceive a threat to the capital city.

really but still like i don't know we're supposed to just accept that the the meanest craziest most tyrannical psychopath killer on the planet other than benjamin netanyahu i guess

He's going to just always be completely stable and reliable and predictable and not do anything that we would not expect him to do and not go too far. And meanwhile, and as I show in the book, there's endless citations of these Americans, especially Democrats. Well, he hasn't nuked us yet. We you know, they said we shouldn't give him these kinds of weapons because maybe Russia would nuke him. But then we gave him those kinds of weapons and he didn't nuke him.

We gave him tanks. He still didn't use nukes. We started hitting targets in Crimea. He still didn't use nukes. In fact, in the Wall Street Journal, I had a thing where I'm pretty sure it was the journal where the Biden administration is talking about, you know, maybe the lesson of the Kursk invasion is we've been way too squeamish about what the Russians will put up with. And maybe we can have a conventional war with Russia without it turning into a nuclear war. They're just brave and getting braver.

And this is the riddle of the nukes that people maybe don't understand or hadn't thought about or nobody explained yet. But maybe I'm wrong about this. I know a nuclear war expert who says that I'm wrong about this, but I know other ones who say I'm not.

And all the war games that I know of going back say that once you start a nuclear war with Russia, then it's on because it's use them or lose them. If we don't hit, if we don't launch everything we got from our silos, they're going to nuke our nukes in their silos.

and we'll lose them. So we might as well go ahead and launch everything we've got. And so essentially, once anybody starts tossing around even lower scale, what they call usable tactical atom bombs, Hiroshima and Nagasaki sized bombs, or even smaller than that, that basically

Within a day or two, it turns into general thermonuclear war and everybody loses all their military bases in all their capital cities. A thousand targets in Russia and a thousand targets in the United States. And it's the end of civilization. And a World War II worth of dead in 45 minutes. And that's just the start. And that's what a nuclear war would look like. It'd be, you know, imagine a couple of H-bombs going off over the five boroughs. Nobody ever lived there again. And even...

Not to be crude about it, but just separate argument. Forget the people. How about everything at every museum in New York lost to humanity forever? How about just the value of that? How about just the value of all the written works at all those publishing houses? You know, lose Washington, D.C. and lose the Library of Congress like the Library of Alexandria, where humanity that does survive in the future loses all of that.

you know, not just financial, but human capital, the investments that we've made in our own civilization over the last few thousand years gone in a week, gone in a day or two, that can really happen. And they act like, well, whatever, dude, it hadn't happened yet. Look, look at us. We're boiling the frog, the frog. You're talking about Vladimir Putin, right?

You accused of being the most ruthless, insane assassin, killer, election, rigor, murderer, coup d'etat or H-bomb possessor in the world. It doesn't seem right to me, you know, and especially when.

And this is the thing about Kamala Harris, right? Is I just can't have someone that much dumber than me lecturing to me. You know, I'm sorry. Like Donald Trump, whatever. He knows some things about things I don't know, right? Like how to be a New York real estate tycoon or something, I guess. How to lose money.

on a casino. I don't know. He could teach me some things, but Kamala Harris, what, what does Kamala Harris know that I don't know other than a recipe for something or another, she doesn't know anything. And like that clip of her with Liz Cheney, where she's trying to struggle through the lesson of Pearl Harbor and she's, she's attempting to essentially approximate, you know, repeating something she thought she heard someone else say somewhere else before, maybe in a movie she saw one time or something.

She doesn't know what to say. Not really. She's hoping as she's talking that it's going to kind of come to her and she's going to know what to say. And then she never can. So she has the most imperious, most condescending tone of voice. Look, let me tell you about the lessons of Pearl Harbor. Right. And then she goes, yeah, the lessons of Pearl Harbor, the people of Europe won't soon forget.

Wait, wait, what? Like, oh, just the whole thing of it, man. And then at the end, I couldn't even quote it with the built-in pauses because she's got to like really stop and concentrate just to get from one word to the next. But she finally concludes, sputters and just gasping, crawling,

finally concludes that and because we got into that war, we were able to win that war. And then so that's the end and history is a thing and we should never forget it. And so she couldn't even come up with the story, which the story Kamala is that the lesson of Pearl Harbor and World War Two is that we can never come home again.

They woke up the sleeping giant and the sleeping giant got so wise defeating Tojo and Hitler that the sleeping giant learned he can never afford to

to take a nap again or the world will spin out of control. And so that is why America must dominate Asia and the Middle East and Europe forever is because if we don't, someone else will and things will be worse than when we're in charge. Can't you just say that you dumb bitch? But she, no, she can't. The best she can do is that the lesson of Pearl Harbor is that we beat Japan.

That's it. That's all. And, and then, and, but that's why I got to stay at war. She was let's, we got to look at this recent history, Dave, by which I mean, we got to go back 80 years and not talk about anything that happened since then. We've done nothing but fight wars and lose wars the whole time. The only victory that any president can name for the last 80 years is

Was George George H.W. Bush's victory in Panama. And I guess Reagan and Grenada, if you want to count that. But don't say Iraq war one. We're still bombing Iraq. Thirty three years later from the consequences that first war never stopped. We've been bombing them the whole time. The only time we stopped was for two years in 2012 and 13.

- No, you're right. I mean, look, even Kosovo, Milosevic was still in power afterward. We've had successful color-coded revolutions

um where we were able to like overthrow we've had successful regime changes but in terms of like actually they all led to wars too terrible Wars yeah and like any of them that you could say like I mean like again like if you're narrowly defining winning a war is like overthrowing the regime then I guess but every single time like even okay we overthrew Muammar Gaddafi

But then the country's a failed state afterward and there's open air slave markets. It's hard for any reasonable person. That's kind of hard to spin as a win. And like, if you stay, you know, if you have to stick around, like occupying the country for months,

almost two decades afterward. Like, okay, we overthrew Saddam, but it's pretty hard to call that a win. And yeah, it is. You know, I remember... By the way, those slave markets are still open. If anybody thought that like, oh, when Barack Obama reopened the chattel slave markets in Libya, that somebody like took care of that, right? No, they didn't. That's 13 years of the reintroduction of slavery to North Africa due to the Democrats, the USA. Yeah, yeah. And there really is...

it's like kind of as you as you look through all of it i remember uh pap buchanan wrote once i can't remember which book this was in but it was just uh it was like a simple way that he put it but he was like uh he was like no matter how uninformed dc thinks the american people are you can't um

you can't pull the wool over their eyes that their country can no longer win its wars, control its border, balance its budgets. Like he went through like a budget, like, like the most basic roles of government. And there's something very interesting from like the libertarian perspective to me about a government, which is the biggest, most powerful government in the history of the world that routinely fails at what all

of the most basic services of government, like what you, the thing that the normie American thinks like, well, the reason we need a government's like, I don't know, someone's got to build the roads or run the border or, you know, prosecute wars or whatever. It's like in every single one of them, the government's an abject failure.

Yeah. 30,000 people a year die on the roads, man. You'd be on the freeway on some high embankment and there's no rail. Like somebody has died here before. Like I'm sure they have, you know what I mean?

No private company could get away with taking that kind of risk with or the subway in New York City. That guy's on trial right now for providing security on the subway. How come he had to provide security for people on the subway? Wasn't that supposed to be somebody's job or something, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, no, I'm with you. And look, Kamala Harris, man, at least Trump is a protest vote in his way. And I'm not a fool. I don't see him as Ron Paul. I don't even see him as Rand Paul. He's Rudy Giuliani to me. But at least...

not just the Democrats, but the regime hates him and wants him out of there. At least he says things that encourage right wingers to hate war. And that is the most valuable thing that he's ever done in his life, really, is normalize this thinking more and better than Ron Paul and Tucker Carlson could ever do is Donald Trump telling people, man, you're a chump if you believe in these wars, stupid. Right. And like,

man, that'll cure you. If you're a right winger, then like, boy, we don't believe in this anymore, I guess. So now he can get them to turn on Don. If he wants to bomb Iran, they'll jump in joy for that, you know, kill Soleimani or bomb Syria or whatever. Then all of a sudden they'll find an exception for him. But at least overall, he's normalized that kind of America first discourse. That is hugely important. And quite frankly, like,

You know, I think honestly the worst threat of Kamala Harris other than the war in Ukraine is the censorship regime. Yeah. Because it's already so far out of control. Look how bad it was under Trump under his nose when he couldn't stop his own regime from doing it to him while he was even the president. But imagine and I think Biden is just too out of it.

kamala harris at least can like put in a seven or eight hour day or six or seven hour day or something and like yeah be worse i think she could be worse especially on the censorship stuff and once you listen to what these liberals talk man you know once they know that they're fighting the good fight against disinformation from the people who are trying to sow discord and disrupt our society or whatever then like

they don't think they're evil man they don't think they're like oh no this is a war against the sacred most precious right of free speech and i'm gonna cause a war and i better shut the hell up and like no they're like oh i just want to go get a job working for michael mcfall censoring people and um there's so much of it and it really could be like i you know remember um

I'm pretty sure who's that horrible Zionist lady, Bari Weiss. Wasn't it her that said that, um, that, yeah, you know, no, I'm sorry. Maybe this is the New York times. No, it wasn't Bari Weiss. It was the New York times that said, um, that, uh, yeah, you know, podcasts are, uh, the last, Oh, you know who it was? It was that, um, Oh, she writes for the Washington post, Taylor Lorenz. The worst. Yeah. Yeah. She says, um,

Her or her expert that she was interviewing or whatever said that, yes, podcasts remain unfettered. You know, fetters are leg shackles, you know, and then it's like, oh no, podcasts are the last place where a dude can talk to a dude without a liberal FBI agent lady shadow banning him for it.

And we can't have that. And of course, boy, on YouTube, the algorithm's insane. It's so censored, it's out of control. But like, as far as I know, the algorithms on Spotify and Apple and these kinds of basic ways that people get their podcasts, their audio podcasts are essentially unfettered still. Substack, you know, they don't censor their people based on, you know, pressure campaigns and this kind of thing. But remember how Twitter was before Musk bought it? Yeah.

When you're like living in the bowels of NPR lady, you know, view, watch or hell. And those are the censors. Remember Elon Musk when they all let they had like the pictures of the employees and who was left after Elon Musk bought the thing. And it was all the white girls had left. And where do they go? Who were they? They were the ones in charge of making sure that no one can hear what you say.

And they were the ones that got fired. No, it's not perfect over there. There is still some censorship on Twitter, but man, it was just an absolute hell. It was like having Kamala Harris herself decide who's allowed to tweet what on there. And, um,

I'm terrified of the second coming of that, man. I mean, and not just because it sucks for us to get censored, but because I fear how people react to being censored. You know, I interviewed a CIA counterterrorism analyst lady one time about the protest movement in Syria, I guess.

and different stuff um and she told me that that the cia's framework for how groups become terrorist groups and all that muhammad ain't on there has nothing to do with islam whatsoever what it is is it's when protesters are silenced they turn violent

That's what people do when you take away their last ability to complain about things is they get really upset, man. What do you expect them to do? So here she was saying in context, she was saying when all these protests broke out in Syria, Bashar al-Assad should have said, good, good protest. That's cool, man. I'm listening. And even when a few cops got killed, he should have still tried to play it very cool until he just couldn't anymore, at least.

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And so this is what happens. There was a lady. Same with Yanukovych in Ukraine. I mean, no question. Obviously, it was a U.S. backed coup, but he played right into their hands by cracking down on the protesters and then just drew even more people to the protests. A huge mistake. Yeah. And there was some lady. I can't remember. I think she was like an Iranian expat. She was probably towing the regime's line. But what she had said, something that got her.

censored. I could have that backstory wrong, but anyway, she was a lady who was a YouTuber, a YouTube podcast video, a political lady, and I believe involved in Middle East politics stuff. And they censored her channel. You know, she, maybe she accidentally said COVID 19 or something. And so they just deleted her channel right off the YouTube. And of course,

It's just like Neil Postman, Technopoly. There's not even a person to complain to. Now you gotta argue with a robot about whether you're allowed to be on YouTube anymore and this kind of thing. And so she didn't get anywhere with her appeals. And so she took a gun to YouTube headquarters and I forget if she killed anyone or she tried to. I think she like shot people.

And it was like, that's just a taste, man. That's what happens. You know, that's not me threatening anyone. That's like a warning of what happens when you have a censorship regime. And think about in America, man, you've seen the South Park where they go. What we'll do is we'll have war all the time, but we'll let them have free speech so they can cry about it. And then as like a pressure valve. Right. So that they don't get too upset and stop us.

they'll at least be allowed to complain, right? Like look at it from their point of view. You take away people's ability to complain, they're going to freak out and maybe shoot you, you know? Like that's how people are. And this is a society lousy with firearms, man. You know, you can be like Bugs Bunny and just reach off screen and grab a gun from anywhere in America, you know?

Yeah, well, and look, I mean, I think that while everybody does like to get excited over the big show that is the presidential election, the truth is that this threat is going to be with us going forward, even if Donald Trump wins the presidency. And in fact, it's one of my concerns about. So on one hand, I am very much rooting for Donald Trump to win. I think that it's

My feeling, so I argued briefly with...

Robbie Suave and Michael Tracy both took issue with something I said that like it was I said something along the lines of like the most exciting thing about Donald Trump getting reelected is that it could really be a death blow for the corporate media and that they've they've been taken hits but this really could be the end and I was like look I mean these guys for him to be elected again

after the entire corporate media, you know, did through everything they did at him, including, you know, the latest rounds since he's been out, you know, democracy is on the ballot. He incited an insurrection. He's still kind of a Russian spy. I think I don't think they've ever really retracted that. And he's a Nazi and all of this stuff. It's not just that he gets elected again, but it's that he's

The narrative just writes itself that Joe Rogan won the White House, that Kamala Harris refused to go on. He was willing to do it. And that's the biggest show in the world. And that's what put him up there. I haven't checked the numbers recently. It was over 30 million just on YouTube. Last I saw, it's got to be in the tens of millions on Spotify and then all the clips and other channels and everything. I mean, it's just going to be enormous numbers. Now, both of them, not only are they going to be

made the same counterpoint to me, which is a reasonable counterpoint, which is that they said, well, look,

Donald Trump was actually good for their ratings last time he was in. My feeling, my hunch, I suppose, is that I don't think they're going to be able to recreate that. And I don't think that I think the Russiagate insanity is what drove so much of those those ratings. And I just don't see after the Russiagate thing falling apart, after the COVID thing falling apart, after Sharpe's attack and she's joy and all of these

I just I think it's gonna be very hard for them to recreate any of that. I again I could be wrong about this. That's sure That's yeah, I mean it was all just so ridiculous, but I do think the kovat one being the biggest one I mean It's so much bigger even than the war in Iraq or any of that because at the end of the day most Americans they didn't fight the war in Iraq They really had nothing to do with that and sure there are people in the country who?

either served or know someone who served. And I'm not like downplaying that, but the numbers, like if you just run the equation, even the like tens of thousands of soldiers who killed themselves after those wars, that's still tens of thousands in a country of hundreds of millions. It's just, but

But COVID policy affected hundreds of millions of Americans, you know, and for them to have gotten that all completely wrong. And a lot of people know that. I'm not saying everyone knows it, but a lot of people know because it was like exposed in front of them in real time. Do you think it's going to be a blowout?

No. The election? No, I don't. I don't. You know, I mean, the Democrats just just on the covid alone, the Democrats deserve to pay. And Trump absolutely played his part in that. But especially in hindsight, it's so clear that it was the Democrat governors locked their states down the most as part of a destabilization campaign against Donald Trump. Right.

that was why they locked the people of their own states the citizens of their own states down in the united states of america was just because they thought ultimately it's going to redound on him worse than them and hey if they got to lose a few governors fine it's still worth it to get rid of the president and

And and so they should all be in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives for that. And that is why they did it. I already know they're guilty of it. We'll find the paperwork later. But we all know it wasn't a coincidence why it was the Democrats who were all worse in the year in the election year 2020 on the COVID lockdowns, dude. That's not 100 percent at 100 percent. I think. OK, so this is how I tend to feel about it.

As you mentioned earlier, there was around election, the election of 2020, and if you could picture this is November of 2020, and there was a real pitch

that the Biden campaign had that I think resonated with a lot of Americans, which essentially was a return to normalcy. And if you could put yourself in November of 2020, you know, it's not just the insanity of the media and how crazy Trump was and that there was always some new scandal and there's riots all summer. Yeah, there's riots, there's lockdowns. It's like, what the hell is going on? And it was at least positive.

for the establishment to say, look, Trump brought all this chaos with him. And how about this guy who's been in the Senate for 700 years, who everybody knows is just basically Joe Washington, D.C.? Let's just get back to normal United States of America stuff.

And oh, by the way, the reason he is in his basement this whole time and you're not hearing from him is because he's being responsible. I mean, we're in the middle of a pandemic. It would be irresponsible. The super spreader events. This was still the narrative at the time in November, believe it or not, in November of 2020.

That has evaporated because we got rid of Donald Trump and we didn't go back to normal. We continued the new normal, as they called it. So I think now with, I think it's a much tougher sell. And if I look everything, this isn't scientific what I'm saying here, but

everything, forget like the polls or the media or any of the betting markets even, or any of the projections, everything that I can see, touch, feel, you know what I mean? Like everything that I can observe with my senses tells me Donald Trump's got this locked up. I mean, look, Donald Trump, this was one of the more interesting things that got completely underreported about Donald Trump's Madison Square Garden night was that there were no protests.

hey there was the uh like two guys out front right yeah pierce morgan uh was at the event and he told me the next day he said you know this is hearsay but he said that he talked to a secret service agent who said uh um he asked if there were any protests and he goes max 100 people

At max there was like a hundred people out there who were protesting this thing and that in itself is like that's radically different than 2016 I mean 2016 Donald Trump has an event at Madison Square Garden There's a real security concern about that man you would have seen people hit with bike locks outside and all types of brouhaha between proud boys and Antifa and all this it's just not there anymore and

So now, while all of this is happening and while I'm watching it on TV and you go, "Okay, so Donald Trump's final pitch in the last minute of the fourth quarter was I'm going to go on the Joe Rogan podcast and do great and make Joe Rogan love me and we're laughing together, we do a three-hour conversation, and then I'm going to headline Madison Square Garden in deep blue Manhattan."

And the corporate media and the Democrats, their final sale in the campaign was like huddle up guys. And they go, okay, I say we call him a Nazi again. Yeah. And they went, okay, let's go with that. Like that seems. And they totally dropped that, right? They, that was Biden's thing. And then when it became Harris, they said, no, we're doing joy and vibes. And what does that mean? Beyonce songs or something? I don't know, but then that's not working. And then, so what do we do?

- Nazi? That's all they got. - Well, and it was, so David Sachs, who I think is really great. I really liked that guy a lot, but he, I heard him say this and I think he was the first one who called it. I think he got it completely right, is that he basically said, so when Kamala Harris was at her height, right after she was subbed in for Biden, what he said was, he goes, look,

She's getting a bump in the polls now off an enormous sigh of relief from Democratic voters that they're just like they're watching this, you know, dementia patient. And they're like, oh, my God, we have to sit here and make excuses for them. And then all of a sudden, OK, that's got you don't have to do that anymore. And they kind of breathe a giant sigh of relief. And then, hey, we can project the whole thing onto her. Yeah.

no she's not the awful candidate we were talking about five minutes ago she's joy and hope and all these things and demographic boxes checked right exactly a historic thing which liberals love liberals love to add a little historic thing to their their campaigns um what he said back then was

was that he goes, look, if she isn't able to maintain this and if the polls start tightening again, she's going to enter the death spiral, which is kind of the Hillary Clinton death spiral. You know, when people go like, well, how come you didn't do more events in Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton? That's why you lost the election. It's like, yeah, because her numbers go down every time she does events in Wisconsin. That's right. There's a real problem you have here. And he called this a few months ago because she's going to enter the death spiral where, uh-oh,

you're you're losing ground in the polls better go do an interview hey you're losing more ground in the polls now because of that interview better go do a couple more interviews oh shit you're and it's like every it it's the same thing as after the debate was like your bit about biden in your stand-up where you were like well i guess we'll just put him out there again and go double or nothing on black because what what other choice do we have put him back out there hope for the best

Dude, it was a great joke that lasted for three weeks. Unfortunately, there's just no way to tell that joke anymore. And now you tell the same joke about her. Yeah, I got to just switch it to her. But there is, so this is what, and the thing is like with Biden, right? There was the dynamic shifted. So the thing is that Joe Biden was always going to stumble and say the wrong words, but now there was a microscope on him. And now the corporate media wasn't going to pretend you, like the senile conversation was a right wing fringe talking point. And so it was like death.

And it's anyway, I say all of this to say that everything I see around me tells me Donald Trump's got this thing in the bag, but then you look at the polls and I'm not one of these people who are like, oh, the polls are all lying. I don't think that's exactly right. I actually think they do a decent enough job. They're usually within the margin of error, not always, but you look at the polls and you're in a, I mean, look, Donald Trump is doing, Donald Trump always performs better than

than he polls and he's polling better than he was in either of the last two presidential elections, but it's still really goddamn close. - You know, I was talking- - By the way, I would not be surprised if Donald Trump ends up winning. Like I wouldn't be surprised if by 10:00 PM, we know Donald Trump has been reelected.

But I'm also it's also one of these things. It's kind of like a jury where you're like, OK, listen, the longer the jury's out, the worse it is for Donald Trump. Like if we don't have results by the end of Tuesday and we're going into Wednesday, not having him and we're going into Thursday, not having him. Kamala Harris is going to end up winning that. Like if it's if it's the thing where it's got to go into like, you know, you know, it was a Pennsylvanian that shot him.

So Pennsylvania kind of owes him one. You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah, no, you're right, man. Listen, I saw who's that guy, Kyle, who's he's kind of a leftist, but we like him. I think he's married to Crystal Ball, right? Kyle Kalinsky. I saw a clip of him where he said, hey, check it out, man. Brand new YouGov poll sample size. Forty eight thousand.

neck and neck. Donald Trump stuck, he says, at 47%, hard ceiling on 47%. Can't seem to crank it up any higher than that. And on the biggest sample size of any poll going around, and usually 1,000 will get you within three or four percentage points. But here they're going for tens of thousands of surveyors. And I think

the qualification was likely voters. I think it was registered voters. Trump is ahead, but likely voters it's Harris by two or something like that. Yeah. And like, I don't know, man, you know, predictions on it. Remember four years ago, I said, Donald Trump rigged this election against himself because someone had told him that mail-in ballots help Democrats. So

So he decided to go on a demonization campaign against mail-in ballots, even though he didn't have a solution. He was the one who signed the CARES Act that did a lot of this stuff. And he had no way to stop the states from doing it the way that they were doing it. They're not in his chain of command whatsoever. So he made a terrible mistake to just try to be a bully and say like –

you know, you're stupid if you vote by mail or what, like what? And he did that. He kept that up all summer long. And the contrast was made, especially, um, plane when he was in Florida. And I think this was even on camera. I don't know. Maybe I just read about it, but, um,

DeSantis kind of elbowed him and said, man, don't say that. No, I did. I did just read about it. But he said, don't say that, man. We win by mail in Florida. And so Trump goes, oh, no, mail-in ballots are terrible and horrible and they'll turn you gay, except in Florida. They're great in Florida. But what was he telling the rest of Republican voters in America? He was telling them, listen, if you're not willing to show up and vote for me in person on Election Day, forget you. Don't even bother.

But Republicans skew old and old people skew afraid of the germ. And those are the people who probably want to vote by mail and probably people who live in more rural areas who have a harder time getting to the polls are also people who are going to probably be Trump voters. So wouldn't you want to say anything?

Hey, Jimmy, make sure your cousin Carl gets his ballot and mails it in. Well, it's all those non-voters out there, all those wrestling fans, all those potential Trump people who aren't going to show up on election day because that

It's not been their habit in their life, but they might vote for Trump if they could. Now what's the opposite of that? The opposite of that would be him doing everything he can to encourage Republicans to vote by mail all this last summer long and leading up to right now. Has he been doing that? No. And I've seen a couple of places where he's like kind of torn on it and goes, no, you should vote by mail. Voting by mail is okay too and whatever. But this should be a massive push. They're like, hey, you whose friends and family are pro-Trump,

Make sure they vote. The ballot is at their house right now. They don't have to do anything except put a stamp on this thing. In fact, it's probably even return mail stamp on it already, right? So that would be...

If he was smart and not a bully, if he was positive, he would just go, OK, the Democrats have an advantage by mail. We're going to shrink that advantage. We're going to do everything we can. You know, I've said on the show before, it was like you would think if he was concerned in 2020, this is about the voting by mail. Like this would be a conversation like with his wife.

like chief of staff and attorney general and like a couple other people in his cabinet when it starts by going listen I think they're this vote by mail thing is ripe for fraud and so here's the plan but instead he just said the first part publicly at every single stump speech without it here's the plan it was just hey this is going to be fraud

Yep. And there probably was. Yeah, sure. But listen, I do have to wrap up here. Of course, next time I have you on, which will be soon, we'll be promoting the release of the book. But I'll let you go. Any final thoughts? Next time I talk to you, we'll be talking all about Provoked. And we'll also probably know who the next president of the United States is. But final word and also just let people know where they can find your stuff.

Sure. OK, well, final word. I don't know what the hell is going to happen, man. I don't know what's going to happen on election night and I don't know what's going to happen if he wins and I don't know what's going to happen if she wins. And it's going to be the Carlini in me is excited to see the coming chaos. Yeah. You know, I'm afraid to make a prediction. I guess the force is telling me that it's going to be a blowout, dude, that she's just pathetic.

There's no way he's the most famous man in the world. And she is just some dumb hoe. Like, you've got to be kidding me. And he again, boy, he's got problems. But still, he's a superstar, dude. Yeah, he's like Michael Jackson. He's bigger than Michael Jackson. You can't beat that with just some dumb hoe, some absolute idiot who has nothing to say about anything because he's never been curious or care about anything in her life. It just can't be, dude. I don't know. I don't know.

uh we'll see how it goes but also you know i'm gonna be doing a live stream uh competing with you and patrick bett david i guess i'm gonna have keith knight and connor freeman are coming into town from arizona and we're gonna be doing a live stream uh from here at libertarian institute hq here on um on a tuesday night so that should be fun so people could just i guess probably tune into the blog over there at uh libertarian institute.org or check out our youtube channel and um

And then yes, all my stuff, go to scotthorton.org right now. You can pre-order the book. This is the most important thing. You pre-order Provoked at provokedbook.com or just scotthorton.org slash provoked. We'll take you there and we're taking pre-orders now. And that means that I swear to God that this thing is going to be done and in your mailbox by Thanksgiving. So-

you beat you beat christmas that's what that's what matters you can give it this is the christmas gift to give to somebody who you love that's right this is gonna be the tickle me elmo of 2024 dude all the bros are gonna be reading all right well scott you're the man thank you so much for for taking the time and we'll we'll talk soon after the election and it'll be fun to uh to watch all this craziness unfold all right thanks everybody for listening catch you next time peace