Joe Biden Talks About His "Bad Day"
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Look, the theme for today's show, you know, there's a couple of things that I want to respond to, but I got to start with what has been what everyone's been talking about over the last week plus. Of course, it's the fallout from the first presidential debate and the utter catastrophe that Joe Biden had. It's been wild. And

You know, even for somebody like me, I know I've talked about this a little bit on the last few episodes, but we got some new stuff because Joe Biden just did his first televised interview since the debate and first televised interview in a while. He doesn't do very he doesn't do too many of them. And so there's some some new wrinkles to this story, which really are fascinating to me. But even for somebody like me who.

I, I'm obsessed with this world. You know, obviously I do a show three days a week, um, about current events. Uh, I've been doing this show for, I think 12 years. Um, there were a few pauses at the very beginning of it, but I was recording, I was doing episodes of part of the problem about Barack Obama's reelection campaign in, uh, in, in 2012. And, uh,

I had been obsessed with politics for years already before that, since at least 2008, I guess, is when I was late 2007. And, you know, I've been hyper focused on how corrupt the political class and the corporate media are this entire time. So it's something that I pay a lot of attention to, as people who listen to the show know. There have been a ton of examples of.

Of things that and I believe it's a big part of the reason why this show has grown in popularity. I think we've had a pretty good track record of being right about the most important issues, issues that the corporate media has gotten completely wrong or has been lying through their teeth about. And what always kind of happens is that eventually the lie is over.

This is this is the pattern that always happens. You know, they tell a very bold lie at a certain point. It's so obvious that this was a lie that it's either acknowledged or more often they we just kind of stop talking about it. Just kind of pretend like we never really said that, you know, during this.

2017, 2018, 2019, the topic that dominated. I mean, we always talked about everything that was going on in the world, but if there was one topic that probably dominated more than anything else, it was Russiagate immediately.

on this show, we called it out as bullshit. It was very obvious. If you had the background that I have and have read the people that I've read and you were paying attention to it, it was very obvious. I'm not bragging like this was any incredible insight. I mean, when you think back to it, the claim was that Vladimir Putin had overthrown our democracy and installed Donald Trump, who was involved in a conspiracy with the Russians. And the evidence for this was

Nothing. Nothing. I mean, the best they could come up with is a lot of people in the intelligence agencies say so. If you remember back then, they used to say things like 43 different intelligence agencies all say the same thing, but they never presented any evidence because there wasn't any. The Steele dossier was obviously bullshit from the very beginning, and it was clearly, you know, opposition bullshit research.

And the guy himself, Christopher Steele, was like British intelligence. It was just obviously a frame job from the very beginning. And so anyway, we would call that out and we would always, you know, there would be different things like that would come out when the FISA court documents got declassified or whatever. There'd be these different steps of the way, the whole step of the way. We'd be like, this is completely frame job. They're trying to, you know, remove an elected president. That's what it was. And.

Anyway, at the time, if you remember, the corporate media was all, you know, Trump, Russia collusion. That was every single day, every single day. That's all they talked about. And now they just don't talk about that anymore. Right. I mean, Donald Trump's running for president. Donald Trump is the clear front runner to be the next president of the United States. And what's fascinating is that it never comes up anymore that he's a Russian agent. Right. Seems like that would be news. Vladimir Putin's guy. Right.

is about to be elected again, at least it seems. All signs point toward that. He's so clearly the frontrunner that not only do the betting sites have Joe Biden under 10% percentage of being the next president, but there are calls from leading Democrats, the New York Times, the Washington Post,

For him to drop out, for his opponent to drop out, the incumbent to drop out, right? So it looks like Vladimir Putin's guy is going to be back in there. How come that never comes up again? Oh, yeah, because it's bullshit. And they all know it. None of them are apologizing. None of them are really admitting that they got it all wrong. But the silence is an admission in and of itself, right? So there's a lot of things like that. However...

You know, and again, like nobody's pretending there were weapons of mass destruction in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And, you know, like all of these these lies kind of get blown up. Assad is still in charge of Syria, but no one's really talking about how he's the guy who gassed his own people and killed so many people for no reason because it's over. We it's the lie was just too obvious. Can't keep it going. So you just move on.

This is a little bit different, this thing with Joe Biden. And the only thing I could really compare it to is during COVID, there was at the time, I thought it was unlike anything I had ever seen. But it was about three months into the COVID insanity when the Black Lives Matter protests began.

And the media who had just been advocating for lockdowns and demonizing anybody who would dare question them, let alone actually break lockdowns. I mean, this is back. If you remember the first few months of COVID where you saw videos of of people getting tackled on the beach and and dads getting arrested in a park for having a catch with their son, you know, things like that. And then all of a sudden they switched on a dime and they went, no, it's OK to go outside now.

It's okay to gather in incredibly large groups now because racism. And they even had scientists who were arguing that racism is a bigger plague than COVID. And so it's okay to go protest. You can't do anything else. Everything. You haven't been allowed to have a funeral for your dad, but you're allowed to protest racism. And it was, and it was so insane that because the propaganda was so intense and it wasn't just like,

It wasn't just another thing like, hey, it's America. We're fighting another war or we're passing another big spending bill or we're giving your police force more military gear, something that Americans are fairly used to having happen. It wasn't that this was lockdowns. This was something like that had never happened before. So it took enormous propaganda to scare people into accepting this blatant totalitarianism. And then just like that.

It was all done. And look, that was I remember talking about this at the time, but this was a big part of when the wheels started coming unglued for the whole corporate media because it was too much. It was too much for people to pretend like what you were saying yesterday didn't happen.

That's the only thing I could compare this one to. It's just like you guys spent four full years, maybe five full years, four and a half, pretending that this clearly senile old man had no problems whatsoever. No problems whatsoever. And now he had one bad performance when it mattered and everybody's talking about it. Anyway,

So just yesterday, Joe Biden sits down for his first interview since the debate. And he sits down with George Stephanopoulos, who was a former Clinton staffer. This is a career, you know, basically went from just working for Democrats to working for Democrats. But this time at ABC News.

So that's who so he that's who he chooses for this this interview. Now, before we start playing it, because it is I think it was quite incredible. It it should be pointed out. So as I mentioned in the last episode, I go. The reason why Joe Biden is toast here and why I'm convinced he will not be the nominee is that.

It's not just the debate performance itself. Look, that debate performance was a bridge too far for any presidential candidate. Nobody is recovering from that. You could have a bad debate. You can't have that because that wasn't a bad debate. Just wasn't a bad debate. It was much, much more than that. It was a demonstration of.

of a clear inability to do the job. And so he's toast. But the reason why, even if there was a way you could imagine recovering from that debate, the big problem Joe Biden has is that now the curse is lifted.

Everybody's allowed to talk about the fact that this is a real issue. And in fact, not only allowed to talk, they were put in a position where they had no other choice but to talk about it. And so now every senior moment that he has, I mean, look, it's still early July. Still got all of July, August, September, October and the first week of November. What are the odds Joe Biden could get through that much time without more senior moments? I don't know. Zero? Zero.

With zero percent sum it up. So and now you're tasked and now there's going to be so much more of a microscope on every one of those moments. And now, of course, Joe Biden, their campaign is now tasked with the impossible because they have to now respond to this. They have to demonstrate that Joe Biden isn't a senile old man.

But he is capable of doing the job. Well, how the hell do you demonstrate that when your guy is Joe Biden? It's impossible. It's like if I told you, you know, all you got to do is have a vertical leap of 100 feet and I'll give you this job. You're not getting it because that's impossible. Doesn't matter how athletic you are. It's just impossible.

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Anyway, let's play this from the very beginning. Here is the unedited first interview since the debate with Joe Biden. From ABC News, a special edition of This Week, President Joe Biden, his first television interview since the debate, the news-making exclusive, now reporting from Madison, Wisconsin, George Stephanopoulos.

Good evening from Madison, Wisconsin, for a special edition of This Week, the first broadcast interview with President Biden since last week's debate. Earlier this afternoon, we taped the 22-minute interview. There are no cuts, no edits. We have not touched it. At this pivotal moment in the presidential campaign...

Pause it already, because this is why I wanted to play the intro, Brian. I mean, Jesus Christ, dude. So they're trying to spin this, you know, because obviously the task here is try to get him over. He's going to show that he is up to the job. He's young and full of vigor. And, you know, so you go, he'll sit down with George Stephanopoulos for, as he just mentioned, the entire 22 minutes unedited.

The way to show that you have stamina, you'll do a 22 minute interview. Just think about how crazy that is. If anyone was actually competent and they wanted to demonstrate that, well, the way to do it wouldn't be to sit down with a friendly reporter for a sitcom amount of time. But that's what you get with Joe Biden here. That's what they're going to give you. All right, let's keep campaign. Here it is.

Mr. President, thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. Let's start with the debate. You and your team have said you had a bad night. But your friend Nancy Pelosi actually framed the question that I think is on the minds of millions of Americans. Was this a bad episode or the sign of a more serious condition? It was a bad episode. No indication of any serious condition. I was exhausted. I didn't listen to my instincts in terms of preparing. It was a bad night.

He fumbled the first sentence, the first sentence. He's completely slurred his words. No indication of the what? I mean, listen, dude, you this is not a bad night. Dude, I never use the term gaslighting or almost never use the term. I don't know. I don't like using terms that I didn't grow up using. I don't like using the terms that the kids use. I'm not a kid.

I'm a dad. I'm not supposed to say young people things, but I just don't know what the term is other than that. It's like, are you trying to make me feel fucking crazy? Because I know I'm not crazy. Like, what? This is not a bad night. You cannot speak, motherfucker. That's not a bad night. That's like, I don't know, guys, if you started watching this podcast and I could no longer speak, you might be like, I don't think we could keep watching this podcast anymore.

Because that's kind of the whole job. And not being able to speak is a problem. It indicates something. And my God, look, they got him here. How fucking hilarious is it that they tried to make him orange like Trump? Do you remember that old SNL sketch? It was actually a really funny one. I don't regularly watch the show that much since I was a little kid, but they had the one where Hillary Clinton was turning into Bernie Sanders little by little.

And she was trying to be more and more like him. They got Joe Biden, who his color during the debate was terrible. Now they got him with this like spray on orange tan. And then they're trying to obviously the point of that is to like project some type of like youth or strength or hey, he looks good. And he stumbles the first sentence out of his mouth in your in your interview before

Where you sit down for a short interview with the friendliest of hosts. Look, obviously he's going to ask the questions that have to be asked. But he's not going to ask in a grilling way. He's going to set you up. He's throwing lobs over the plate. This is the topic you wanted to address. Now go ahead, crank it out of the park. You knew what the first question was going to be. You have a prepared answer for this. He's not even capable of delivering that. He can't speak properly.

You tell me how you can recover from that debate when going forward, you got a candidate who can't speak. I know Fetterman's in the Senate, but there's something different about being president of the United States of America. All right, let's keep playing.

Parents and bad nights. You know, you say you were exhausted. And I know you've said that before as well. But you came and you did have a tough month. But you came home from Europe about 11 or 12 days before the debate, spent six days in Camp David. Why wasn't that enough rest time, enough recovery time? Because I was sick. I was feeling terrible. Matter of fact, the docs with me, I asked them, they did a COVID test. We were trying to figure out what's wrong.

They did a test to see whether or not I had some infection, you know, a virus. I didn't. I just had a really bad cold. And did you ever watch the debate afterwards? I don't think I did, no. Well, what I want to get at is what were you experiencing as you were going through the debate? Did you know how badly...

We are, okay, we're a minute and 54 into the video, but around 30 seconds of that was intro. We're a little over a minute into the interview. Again, keep in mind what the purpose of this interview is.

To combat the narrative that Joe Biden is too old and senile for the job. To deal with the fact that even within your own party and within your own media apparatus, there are numerous calls for you to drop out of the race. That's what we're here to combat. He slurs his first sentence. The second question is, have you watched the debate from last week?

And he can't remember. I mean, you could like, I don't know what to tell you. You can't make this shit up. He doesn't remember. He, whether he watched his disastrous career ending performance, that was last week. He can't remember. He doesn't have an answer for that. Let's keep playing. How badly it was going. Yeah. Look, the whole way I prepared, nobody's fault. Mine.

Nobody's fault of mine. I prepared what I usually would do, sitting down as I did come back as foreign leaders or the National Security Council for explicit detail. And I realized about partway through that, you know, although I get quoted, the New York Times had me down at 10 points before the debate, nine now or whatever the hell it is. The fact of the matter is that what I looked at... Incoherent!

Every step of this is incoherent. What the hell are you trying to say, old man? This is just so wild to see. I prepared foreign leaders and my own fault. Nobody's fault but my own fault. And I realized about halfway through the debate, New York Times had me down 10 points before, nine points after. Holy shit, man. Holy shit.

Yes, as we've all known, as we've all known for fucking at least four years now, the guy is suffering something. And I don't know what it is. You know, I don't know if it's like,

There's all types of speculation about like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or senility or all this. The guy is an old man who is in severe mental decline. That much is clear. It's just so undeniable. I'm sorry. There's no way. Nobody cannot see this. Nobody. Let's keep playing. Is that he also lied 28 times. I couldn't.

I mean, the way the debate ran, not my fault. No one else's fault. No one else's fault. But it seemed like you were having trouble from the first question in, even before he spoke. Well, I just had a bad night. You've had some bad interviews once in a while. I can't remember any, but I'm sure you do. I've had plenty. Okay. I guess the question is, the problem... So he tries to do this thing where he goes, he's like, nobody's fault but my own.

But then he invokes Trump lying and the way the debate was ran. And I just, and he says at one point about halfway through, I just realized, you know, he didn't finish the thought. So I don't know exactly what he was saying, but he's pointing fingers at everybody else while he's saying nobody's fault, but my own. And then of course, Stephanopoulos has to point out, he goes, yeah, but you had trouble like immediately. And then his thing is, oh, bad night. That's going to be the new excuse, bad night. I'm sure you've done some bad interviews, but,

Um, no, no, that just isn't it. That isn't it.

You're having another bad night right now. You stumbled the first answer to the most obvious question. Like, I'm not even saying like, you know, by the way, I'm sure Joe Biden knew what the questions were going to be going into this interview. Just as we know, Donna Brazile leaked the questions that Hillary Clinton at their debate in the primary. And, you know, I'm sure Stephanopoulos, but even if he didn't, you know what? Obviously, the first question was going to be about this terrible debate performance.

And you fucked that up and you could say, oh, I'm sure you've done some bad interviews before. And believe me, Stephanopoulos has done some bad interviews before, but he's doing one right now. But, you know, I've had some bad podcasts before. I've had some bad stand up sets before. Sure, that's that happens. We're all only human. I've never had any where I lost the ability to speak, never had any where I lost the ability to be coherent in any way.

You know, there's just something different about that. There's something different about let's say a comedian could go have a bad set like the crowd just sucks or whatever. Maybe you fuck up a little bit and you know, whatever. But that would be different than a comedian going up there demonstrating an inability to speak, an inability to tell a joke. That's different. Then you start questioning whether this guy can be a stand up comedian at all.

I may have a podcast that's not so great. Some of my arguments weren't as tight as they could have been, but I didn't have an inability to make an argument. I didn't have an inability to complete a sentence. That's a different thing. It's not the same.

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All right. Let's get back into the show. Let's keep playing. I guess the question, the problem is here for a lot of Americans watching, as you've said, going back to 2020, watch me to people who are concerned about your age. And, you know, 50 million Americans watch that debate. It seemed to confirm fears they already had. Well, look, after that debate, I did 10 major events in a row, including till two o'clock in the morning after that debate.

I did events in North Carolina. I did events in Georgia. Did events like this today. Large crowds, overwhelming response, no slipping. And so I just had a bad night. I don't know why. And how quickly did it come to you that you were having that bad night? Well, Cain was having a bad night when I realized that even when I was answering the question, even when I turned his mic off, he was still shouting it.

And I let it distract me. I'm not blaming him on that. But I realized that I just wasn't in control. Part of the other concern is that... We could just end it right there with him saying, oh, I'm not blaming anyone else as he blames everyone else. I just want to keep in mind, people, these were the first two minutes of the interview. It's just fucking unbelievable.

Like you can't even imagine this is happening in front of you. I'm sorry. I'm calling this one now. This guy is toast. If they can't get Kamala Harris out of the way, then she's going to be the nominee. He's not going to be. It's not going to happen. It's unbelievable that this, it's unbelievable that this guy's family is putting him in this situation to just go humiliate himself. You know, I think about

fairly often, maybe to a weird degree. But I do think about this a decent amount. And maybe this is part of being like passing 40 and being on like the, you know, kind of in the second half. I mean, kind of early, hopefully, in the second half. But, you know, I mean, maybe, hopefully I live, you know, I'm healthy and I live a long life. I'd like to like, you know, have a long time to play with my grandkids and stuff. But,

I think often about how important it is to me to die with dignity and to just age with dignity. That's I really hope I'm able to do that. Man, I just cannot explain how profoundly horrible it would be to just be like humiliated like this as you're in decline going into the last few years of your life.

just seems like a terrible thing to happen. And imagine that your family was pushing you into that. I mean, you know, if you're familiar with Joe Biden and familiar with his long career, he, he does deserve this. This is what he's a truly evil person. And it's been an evil corrupt person for at least four decades in public life. I

I mean, I'm talking about like if you really know the details of this guy, this is the type of guy who will have a press conference at the hospital where his wife is dying. Like he's that guy. He's the guy who will partner with Strom Thurmond to put pressure on Ronald Reagan to make sure you throw more people in jail over bullshit. He's the he's that guy. You know, he's still later in the interview. He brags. I mean, he's the gall of him. He brags about his peace in the Middle East plan and his NATO expansion.

Because as you got, if you're following the Middle East, it's going great right now. And if you're following the history of NATO expansion, it's worked out so well. It's just unbelievable. So on some level, he does deserve this, but it's still rough to watch.

Got to say. Anyway, what's more enjoyable to watch is the media reaction to all of this. As I said on the last podcast, it's been right up there with the reaction to Donald Trump winning in 2016 because essentially they are kind of reacting to Donald Trump winning again. And we got our return appearance from our favorite little piggy,

over on CNN, who's not a show host over there anymore, but still gets to come on sometimes. So here is Brian Stelter's

Incredible spin on what's going on. Before the last week, voters were ahead of the media on this. What I mean is that voters are already decided, most voters, that Biden was too old to be president for four more years. But now the elite media is ahead of the Democratic base. The elite media, like The Economist, calling on Biden to resign. All this talk about a Kamala Harris presidency. Look, Jim, we may be in a world where we're going to have the first female president in the United States.

in a matter of weeks. That is not impossible. It seemed crazy maybe a couple weeks ago before the debate. But we are now in an environment where there are a lot of possibilities. I think that points to the asymmetry of these two parties, the Democrats and the Republicans. The Republicans are backing their convicted felon candidate to the hilt. Democrats are having a very active conversation about throwing their guy overboard. These two parties are so different. They're not the same. There's an asymmetry here. And you're seeing that in the media coverage as well, where liberal-leaning outlets are prioritizing

pressing for Biden to go because they believe that's the way to stop Trump. At the end of the day, this entire conversation about Biden is actually a conversation about Donald Trump. True. And you did not have a similar conversation in right wing media or at least publicly from Republican lawmakers following Donald Trump's criminal convictions right here in New York, which, of course, raised its own questions. But dude, is it not amazing how shameless these propagandists are?

Just how shameless. Yeah, I mean, that's the takeaway here, really, right? It's that Republicans are so much worse than Democrats. The Democrats are so great.

So great that they'll have a conversation about replacing their guy, you know, after the most epic failure in the history of televised presidential debates, by far the worst performance with no second place. There's nothing like it. Go research all of them. I've watched so many, uh, I think I've watched just about all of them. Um,

There's nothing there's nothing even close, nothing even close to his better job. But see, that's the that's the takeaway here is that Democrats are just so much more reasonable because they'll have this conversation like on every level. This is so full of shit, so full of shit. When he starts by going, oh, you know, voters were out in front of the media on this one. Yeah, exactly. Because you guys pretended for.

for four years that this wasn't obviously the case. You pretended that the naked emperor had clothes on when we could all see when anyone with a with a mind, anybody who's capable of thinking and seeing new, you know, this whole thing as crazy as it is in a matter of weeks, we could have Kamala Harris as the president. Yeah, that's been true since 2020.

That's been true since Joe Biden was sworn in. It was always possible that he could have to step down for clear medical reasons. And you're going to try to spin that. And also, it's just such bullshit. None of it's even true. Look, when Donald Trump ran in 2016,

National Review, the most influential conservative publication, ran a never Trump issue where they had prominent conservative voices up and down saying he cannot be the nominee. The previous Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, came out and gave a long speech about how anybody else except Donald Trump was acceptable. The RNC itself floated out the idea of rigging the whole thing against him, of

pulling a DNC and doing what they did to Bernie Sanders that same year. They've talked about changing the rules and stealing the nomination from him. Ted Cruz refused to endorse him at the Republican National Convention.

What are you talking about this year in 2020? Let's not forget that, by the way, he was impeached twice, that you had Republicans like Liz Cheney who were championing the January 6th hearings. Mitt Romney, guys like that this year, they tried to anoint DeSantis. All the big money went to him and Nikki Haley.

It's not true that Republican politicians or people in the media never tried to get rid of Donald Trump. They just couldn't because their voters support him. And yes, you could say, hey, even after he was convicted of multiple felonies, the voters didn't decide they wanted to get rid of him. Because, yeah, because the felonies are bullshit. They're clearly bullshit.

That's not the equivalent. There's no analogy between that and if Donald Trump were to get on stage and couldn't speak, if he couldn't speak or walk or think, that's not the same thing as some trumped up, no pun intended, charges.

It's like, what do you, what world are you living at? What a pathetic level of spin you have to go to, to even try. But look again, this was Brian Stelter was the guy who would do the weekly show on media. And every single week, the report would come in the same. CNN's doing a great job. It's all that misinformation on the internet. Joe Rogan's the problem. That was that guy.

And so I guess he can try to find a way to say, oh, it really it shows Democrats great strength. You know, the way that they tried to pretend a clearly senile man had absolutely no cognitive problems at all. Remember the way we let him run for president and stay in his basement and never call him out for that? The way we let him do like that.

a record low number of interviews and speeches and debates and all of this stuff. And we protected him and we called off the primary and we rigged it against all the other people. And we just let him coast to the nomination. And then it all blew up in our face because he did one debate, which was intentionally nerfed for him. They designed it so there'd be no live audience, no other media in the room. Mute Donald Trump's mic when he's not speaking.

Make it the easiest debate possible for Joe Biden so we can just get him over the finish line. And he still collapsed and had the most profound failure of any president in the history of the United States. That demonstrates that we're so much better than the other side. Because once that profound failure happened, some of us started to admit that maybe we have to bring someone else in. You just can't make this shit up.

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As I'm sure most of you guys know, I debated Chris Cuomo recently, a few weeks back on Patrick Bette David's podcast. The show did very well, got huge numbers, and I got a very big response from it. I thought it went very good. I was happy with how it went, the show.

that seemed to be the general consensus. And anyway, that was, it was an interesting thing to do. As I, you know, I've talked about it a bit on the podcast, so I don't have to get too much into that.

I recently saw now I have not I don't watch Chris Cuomo show. I don't follow his other like appearances. So I don't really know. I never even really thought of like, how is he going to spin this debate or what is he going to say something about it? I just happened to see this because I got tagged in the clip on Twitter and there's a clip of Chris Cuomo talking about me.

And it's just, I don't know, just ridiculous. So I figured like maybe I might as well respond to some of it. I will say going into this, because there was the reason why I was a little bit conflicted about it was that I did kind of feel like I was like, well, I think I already handled this guy. I don't really think any more needs to be said. And it's I think it's kind of pathetic what he's doing and grasping at straws.

But at the same time, as you know, kind of full disclosure to you guys, because I try to keep it real with the audience. That's kind of our bond. You know, it's still it's a bit surreal to me.

to be in this situation. Now, obviously this is there, there's two factors involved with me even ever debating Chris Cuomo or ever doing the show, the show on Patrick, but David's podcast with him or, or him talking about me on these shows. And one of them has been that my, um, you know, I I've risen a bit in terms of, you know, being known and how many, you know, people listen to my show and how many people know me. And the other thing is that he's fallen, uh,

quite a bit from being the guy who was the number one show at cnn it's much more the latter than the prior i'm aware of that it's he's fallen very far um to even be in this situation but if you could understand being me it's still just a little bit surreal that the guy who had the number one show on cnn during the covet insanity which i became fairly well known for you know opposing

It is even like talking about me. It's just kind of surreal. It's a little strange. Don't get me wrong. There's lots of things I do in my career. They're all still kind of surreal to me. I'm very fortunate. And also I've worked hard at this and I think I'm, I'm all right at it. But anyway,

Let's play the clip and I'll respond to some of this. This is Chris Cuomo talking on a podcast. I'm not sure which one it is, but talking and the topic of me comes up. Along those lines, I just want to point out that since you've started covering COVID a bit more in recent months on the podcast, we've gotten many, many calls along those same lines from anonymous listeners and in the comment sections after you've been doing these like things and debating people and talking about COVID.

You know, I'm asking for it. I'm actively engaging that population, hoping for two things. One, you know, not everybody's a piece of shit like this guy where if you disagree, you're a bad person. I don't believe that. I think there are a lot of people who are partially right, partially wrong. OK, were the mandates on the vaccines necessary? No, not to the extent in the degree they were done.

I also didn't put them in the place. And I also don't apologize for saying, hey, look, you don't want to take it. Fine. But you can't be expecting that you're going to get access to the same things in society when you know what the rules are. Now, that's a separate issue from whether or not those were the right rules. I don't make the rules. I was just saying, if you really think you're going to not get vaccinated, but be able to go to work.

You're making a stupid decision. If you think your kids are going to be able to go to school, you're making a stupid decision. Now you can say, yeah, but they shouldn't have had to. It's a different discussion. Okay. And the idea that I was bought off. Pause it right here. Okay. So that's a different discussion.

whether or not you should have been forced to take this vaccine. It's like, yeah, Chris, that's the discussion we're trying to have. That's the discussion we are talking about. Nobody would have an issue with you if you had done what you claim you did and just said, hey, listen, man, I don't make the rules.

But I will tell you, I think they're going to enforce these things. So you got to take that into account in your decision making. In fact, that was our position. I was never shaming people who like took the VACs who didn't want to because they were going to get fired from their job if they didn't. I understand that decision. It's a calculation everyone had to make. And there are some people who are in situations. I know a lot of people who took the COVID VACs.

because they were going to get fired if they didn't do it or because whatever, you know, some other mandate, it was going to like fuck up their life. I understand that. That's a difficult situation to be in. I don't judge anybody for things like that. And, and the truth is throughout COVID, we all had to make many calculations like that. You know, I didn't want to wear a mask on a plane, but I wore masks on a lot of planes.

It was stupid. It wasn't saving anybody. It was just making me uncomfortable for no reason. But they were enforcing it ruthlessly. And you wouldn't be able to travel by plane unless you put that mask on. And so I made the calculation that it was more important for me to be able to travel to go, you know, like I want to go do Joe Rogan's podcast in the middle of COVID to talk about how insane people like Chris Cuomo are. OK, I'll put the mask on so I can go tell this to tens of millions of people.

That's the calculation I made. So I'm not going to judge anybody who made a different calculation. Now, I wasn't in a situation where I had to get the jab for any reason except to like get nagging some nagging doctors off my back. But that wasn't enough. That was going to make me do it. But I understand where other people did. The point is, Chris, that that's not what you were saying when you were on CNN because you're a liar. You're pretending that's what you were saying, but it's not.

And one of the things that was very transparent, the reason why they did a, um, the, uh, Patrick, but David did a poll on his Twitter handle of who you think won the debate. And they got around 30,000 people voted. And I took 96%. And if you're thinking you go, that might be the most one-sided debate you've ever heard of. It didn't have that much to do with me. It really didn't. Wasn't that I did anything that impressive in the debate. It's that, uh,

chris cuomo was lying through his teeth the whole time i mean to the point that he's going i never said that then they play the clip of him saying that then he goes well i didn't mean what you just heard i was saying something else it's just blatant lying and this is why this guy worked as a as a cnn host for so long because he's very comfortable lying that's it that's the whole story so that that's why he's comfortable just lying about what he was saying back then what he just described is not what anyone ever had an issue with

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You're making a stupid decision. Now you can say, yeah, but they shouldn't have had to. It's a different discussion. OK. And the idea that I was bought off by Big Pharma, please, I wish I'd be happy to do business with Big Pharma. I think they do tremendous and good things. I think that their testing has to be rigorous. I think they get too much of a sweetheart deal from government and not enough specific oversight. And I don't like this revolving door between the FDA and other regulatory agencies in the private sector.

I think that's a real problem, but I'd be happy to do business with them. Don't get it twisted. Pretty stunning admission.

Okay. He'd be happy to be bought off by Big Pharma. Okay. Of course, it's very easy to ask yourself questions that nobody else is really asking you and then answer the very easy questions. Oh, people say I was bought off by Big Pharma. I'd be happy to, but I wasn't bought off by Big Pharma. It's like, yeah, no one's ever said that. No one's ever said that Big Pharma was directly paying Chris Cuomo. What they said was that Big Pharma was paying CNN and CNN was paying Chris Cuomo.

Now, that's just factually true. That's objectively true. But here's interesting. You know, he mentioned he goes, oh, I'd be happy to do business with Big Pharma. I mean, look, do I think that they get too much protection from government? Do I have a problem with the revolving door? Do I have a problem with the fact that they have immunity? Do I have a problem with this? OK, so here that. How about this? When you were getting those checks from CNN, Chris Cuomo, during COVID, did you ever say that once on CNN?

that's a question you know how when i when he claims he didn't say something on cnn and then i say he did and then the booth at pageant david they find the clip within five seconds and they have it up there you know the internet is forever find me the clip find me the clip of chris cuomo ever saying anything like that on cnn during covet

You know, like while he was demonizing the unvaccinated, which you can find endless clips of, is there ever a clip in there of him pointing out that, you know, there is this revolving door and, you know, they do have all this protection from government. Find it, please. Somebody find it to me. I'll issue a full apology to Chris Cuomo. If anybody can find the clip of him saying that on CNN during COVID, when this was the topic of conversation every night.

Did you ever point that out? Yeah. So that's the point. It's not that you took money from big pharma. We know, as you admit, you'd be happy to, they weren't offering it, but you did take millions and millions from CNN and CNN did take millions and millions from big pharma. So there's one degree of separation. Like what the hell does that mean? Like, it's, it's like, uh, imagine if, uh,

I don't know, some company gave the Gas Digital Network, you know, tens of millions of dollars. And then the Gas Digital Network gave me tens of millions of dollars. And then I used my podcast to say nothing but good things about that company, which was one of the most corrupt companies on the face of the earth. And then I went, that company never gave me no money. See how stupid this is?

It's like just a mix of being a liar and not being nearly as impressive as he believes he is. All right, let's keep playing. See, he has this warped idea that is sold online by guys like Dave Smith and others where, you know, he's a libertarian, which basically means he's better than both sides, but he doesn't own or operate or control anything. That's my problem with libertarians. Okay, well, that's your problem with libertarians. Well, okay, but that's because you're a fucking idiot.

So like, you know, oh, I'm better than both sides, but I don't control anything. So I don't have to own anything. Dude, didn't you just like five seconds ago point out that you didn't institute any of the mandates?

Right. You are the number one show at CNN cheering on a government policy. But you can distance yourself from that by saying, I didn't actually implement it. And then you're going to turn around and that's your criticism of libertarians. Your criticism of libertarians that we just think we're better than both sides. I don't think I'm better than both. I think I'm better than you.

How about that? I think my track record on COVID was better than yours. Put up my greatest hits against your greatest hits or just go watch the debate that we did. You know, it's like I don't know what to say. I would let well enough be like, just leave it alone. Let the debate speak for itself. I'm going to sit here and keep trashing Chris Cuomo, but if he's going to come out trashing me, why the hell shouldn't I respond? Especially when he's trashing me with the most idiotic takes. Okay, let's

Let's keep playing. It's like, oh, yeah, I don't want the government. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. But the only libertarian I ever met before college was like my manager at Circuit City. And it's not really a judgment. I was just like, oh, really? It's fine. But really, most people are libertarian. Sure. Most people believe that government should stay out of your life unless you really need them in your life. All the government you need, but only the government you need. I just believe it's a little bit of a pat on the back that that is a little bit of a hollow label. What does that mean? You're a libertarian. So what?

He's an anti-vaxxer. OK, and he is doing it with a misplaced sense of priority and telling the government to go fuck itself. And I get it. This is America. We're uniquely that way. You can pause it right there. I just the incoherence of saying like this is what I hate about most about libertarians. Also, most people are libertarians. Also, it's an empty label. So then does it mean the thing that you just claimed it means that him also saying he doesn't know what it means? I don't.

wholeheartedly believe that you don't know what it means. Like, okay, I'd be happy to teach you someday if you wanted to know, but like, whatever. And then, but just, I'm an anti-vaxxer. Just how lazy is this term? I'm an anti-vaxxer who just wanted to tell the government, go fuck yourself or something like that. Like, you know, for anybody who actually listens to this show, I'm really, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. It's just not true.

I know like there's some people call RFK an anti-vaxxer and then he'll say he's not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm also not even, I'm totally agnostic on the question of like most vaccines. I don't know. I'm totally agnostic on the like stuff about the MMR vaccine, like leading to increased rates of autism. I don't know. I just really don't know enough about it. I'll say I'm,

less dismissive of anti-vaxxers than I was in the past because I've seen

how many lies were told about the COVID vacs. And I've seen how the whole system kind of works to protect those lies and the perverse incentives involved in the government protection involved and the absolute lack of caring about the lives that they were ruining with the mandates and misinformation about the vaccine. But no, no, no, no, no. I'm not against vaccines.

I'm against the lies that this vaccine was sold on. I'm against the fact that millions of Americans who shouldn't have taken the vaccine were forced to. That's what I'm against. And there's a number. I don't know exactly what it is, and I don't think anybody has the exact tally, but there's a number and it's not insignificant of people who never should have taken this vaccine who were injured by it.

And that happened because there was the force of government behind it. There was the force of private companies behind it. And there was tremendous social pressure to do it, in large part because you had lying propagandists like Chris Cuomo.

Who night after night told everybody that they were safe and effective and you were a big dope if you weren't getting them and you were the reason why the entire country was still suffering. That's what I'm against. You know, in the debate, Chris Cuomo, I said that probably for people who were old and sick and had never had covid, it made sense to get the vaccines when they first came out.

And he said, how about people who were living with someone who was old and sick and had never had COVID? And I said, I don't think so. And he took issue with that.

But he would never dare defend some of the people. I use the one example a lot just because it's a kid I know who's a family friend that he was he had gotten two doses of the vaccine initially. Then he got COVID. And a month later, his grad school started demanding that you get a booster shot. So they forced him to get a booster shot. He didn't want to get kicked out of grad school. He was like close to graduating. He was a kid in his in his 20s.

who had had COVID a month ago, tell me, make the argument scientifically that he should have gotten a third jab in his arm, that it wasn't just risk with no benefit to him. Okay, there's a lot of people who fall into that category. So you call me an anti-vaxxer all you want, just because you don't have an argument. You can't combat what I'm saying because I'm right. That's all it is. Anyway, let's keep playing.

There's a plus and a minus to it. The minus is in the hospitalization rate and the death rate. Okay. It's not now. Pause it. No, it's not. It's not. This is what you still don't fucking get. Cause you're wrong. Cause you're not smart.

You know, you want to sit here and talk shit about me after the ass kicking that I gave you in that debate. Listen, there's a reason why the term Fredo stuck with you. I just watched Godfather through the other night, by the way. It's not an anti-Italian slur. It's a you're the dumb one in your family.

Slur. OK, it didn't cut down on the death rate or the hospitalization rate to force a kid in his fucking early 20s who had covid a month ago to get a third jab that didn't cut that that had no effect on the death rate or the hospitalization rate. The odds of this healthy kid in his 20s dying or going to the hospital over covid were zero, zero, zero.

They forced him because there was big pharma profits to be made and because there were enough lying propagandists in the media like you who would just demonize anyone who points that out and still are and still are. Demonize me by calling me anti-vax. All right, let's keep playing. The truth is enough. The mandates were overextended and they were extended too long and there wasn't enough good information and complete information about the vaccine and there still isn't. That's enough.

It doesn't have to be poison. It doesn't have to be that most of the people who took it are sick. You don't have to bullshit it. Pause it right there. Could you think, because he's talking about me specifically right now. Please, as I asked for the clip of Chris Cuomo, find me the clip here. I'll give you $100,000 if you find the clip of me saying the vaccine is poison. If you find a clip of me saying most people who get it get sick.

You know why I'm going to keep my $100,000? Because I never fucking said anything even remotely close to that ever. It's just it's so pathetic. He just goes on these like long rants where he asks himself questions that nobody else is asking and then answers that. Or he just attacks the most blatant straw man. It's just, oh, you know, Dave Smith is an anti-vaxxer who says it's poison.

And that most people who get it are getting sick. What? It's so funny that you have to project lies onto me, but I wasn't really telling lies during COVID. You told nothing but lies during COVID. That's your legacy. So you can sit here and just make up shit. I mean, I don't know. This is why I ultimately decided to fucking respond to this because what am I supposed to do here? This is

This is Chris Cuomo, the number one guy at CNN a few years ago, is just blatantly lying about me. There's nothing. I never said anything like this in our debate. I've never said anything like that anywhere on any platform. Listen, there was and here's the big difference also between guys like Chris Cuomo and the world he's in and guys like me. There's Chris Cuomo told lie after lie after lie while he was on CNN about all types of different things.

And he just kept getting his checks. That's all. There's no consequences. When we were in the height of like the vaccine mandates and shit, I had to be perfect, perfect, or I would have been ruined.

My whole show would have been shut down. I had to not say some of the things I wanted to say because I thought my whole show might be shut down. But like if I go on Rogan's podcast or something like that, you think I'm just I have the luxury of being sloppy enough to just say something like most of the people who get the vaccine are getting vaccine injured from it. You never catch me saying something like that because we don't play in the same games. I don't get to just be a lying propagandist. I don't get to.

Let's keep playing. You don't have to bullshit it for it to be that way. OK, and I get that it's building this platform. That's the part I want you to see. So a lot of these things go together. The anti-vax movement, motivated minorities, magnified on social media, given false precedence and depth by the overall media because we're lazy and we're using that as Vox Populi. But I'm telling you, social media is not America. It is not reality. Look, anti-vaxxers are

I mean, you look at the numbers. I'll be generous and I'll say it's 25% of the country. People who are really pissed off that they had to take the vaccine. Look how much juice they get. 25% of the country? Why so much juice? Donald Trump doesn't even embrace that position. And this is the guy who has said every kind of fringy thing he can to foment anger and tension in this country. But he won't embrace the anti-vaxxers. What does that tell you? It tells me that you're an idiot. I just want to point out...

It tells me that you're an idiot. That's what it tells me. I don't know what else. What is that point? Every single point that he just made there, including the fucking shot at me, which is all he can say, because, you know,

He's got nothing else. He can't win the argument. So he lies blatantly lies about what my position is and then says, and look, it's building his platform. It's building. And that's what I want you guys to see. So he's saying, which, by the way, it is the lowest form of debate or argument in general is to just insist that the other person has these evil motives rather than taking on what their arguments are or what they're actually saying or what they have said in the past.

Um, but he's just saying, oh, like, I guess the implication is I don't really believe what I'm saying. I'm just doing this to build my platform, even though he's blatantly lying about what it is that I'm saying. Um, yeah, you know, I have built my platform.

And a lot of that is because I've been right about these issues. Well, guys like Chris Cuomo have been spectacularly wrong. Again, as I was talking about at the beginning of the show, take any of these major issues, Trump, Russia collusion, every last one of the wars, you know, all of the stuff during COVID, the lockdowns, the mandates, all of this stuff. I have a very good track record on it. You don't.

So that's what's built my platform. But then he goes on to make this point and like social media isn't real life. Like, OK, I don't know. It's not the totality of it is CNN real life. This this bullshit network that pads its ratings with airport viewers that you were on, Chris Cuomo, is that real life?

I don't think so. Like, I certainly know more than social media is. And then to go to this point, first of all, I love it. He just pulls the number 25% out of his ass and then acts like it's a statistic he read. And he goes, he goes, I'd say it's like 25%, 25%, 25%. Are we really letting this happen for 25% of people? What?

First off, what do you mean by anti-vaxxer? You called me an anti-vaxxer. I don't even think anti-vaxxers really are 25% anti-COVID vaxxers. I don't know. We could look into some data of that. How many people, what percentage of Americans do you think have gotten their most updated booster? Let me ask this, but in the height of all of the insanity, when Chris Cuomo himself was shaming everyone who didn't get the vaccine, the CDC approved it for six month olds.

Six months and up. How many people, what percentage of Americans gave their six month old the COVID vax? Maybe that if you want to call everyone who's opposed to the COVID vaccine anti-vaxxer, let's just find out what's that percentage. What percentage of Americans have vaccinated their babies against COVID? Maybe that'll give you an idea of how popular it is. And then he just evokes Donald Trump. Even Donald Trump means nothing.

Just because you got this dumb CNN binary brain means nothing. Donald Trump also gets booed from his own crowds on occasion when he brings up how great Operation Warp Speed is. Donald Trump's a politician. He lies. Donald Trump was the president when Operation Warp Speed was launched. So he's bragging about how good it was. What the hell does that prove? Nothing at all.

Listen, man, Chris Cuomo can sit here and lie about me. He can say, I'm just trying to build my platform as if what Chris Cuomo is doing these media appearances. Why? To shrink his platform? Is he not interested in building his platform either?

Listen, the bottom line is that Chris Cuomo will be more honest now than he was when he was at CNN. But when he was collecting those CNN checks, he never said one fucking thing that would upset those guys at CNN. So as I said during the debate, he's got a lot of nerve to come around and say that I'm just trying to build my platform while he lies through his teeth about what I've said, what my views are.

And again, this is why he didn't have a very good night when we debated. All right, we're going to wrap up there. Catch you guys next time. Peace.