Douglas Murray Raises The Alarm
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith, and I am rejoined by the apple of my eye, my partner in crime, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, coming from a not very well-made hotel room of some sorts.

Yeah, I'm staying a nice piece of shit out here in Myrtle Beach, but I'm having fun hanging out with the O'Kratom guys, taking a couple breaks from a pretty great run of porch tour and off to Texas this weekend. Hell yeah. And of course, we're going to link up in Austin. Looking forward to that. I don't think we've ever been to Austin together.

Nope. We can do it big. We can get some barbecue, enjoy the mothership, drink over at the creek. It's a fun time down there. Yes, we will do all of that. There's some good steakhouses out there, too. We'll go do it up real nice. Austin's got good food. Anyway, I'm very excited. This weekend is my headline weekend at the Comedy Mothership, which really is just...

it's the best comedy club in the United States of America. And that means the world. No one else is really funny. Um, but there's some funny people in Canada. Um, there's some funny people in England. It has not made its way to Germany. Uh,

There's they're just not an Eastern Europe. I think it's a crime to be funny in most of Eastern Europe. That's just not what they, what they do. Although that Zelinsky guy did a pretty good for himself is pretty successful comic out there. Anyway, dancing as a lady, that was his best work. That was, it was pretty good. Anyway,

Rob has more Porch Tour stuff coming up, PorchTour.com for that, and ComicDaveSmith.com for all the ticket links for me and Rob are going to be on the road for the rest of the year, a whole bunch. So come check us out there. All right. It's cool how many people are actually traveling to Austin for your gig. I keep hearing from fans that they're flying in to see you at the mothership. I think that's such a weird and cool dynamic. Yeah.

You know what I learned from this is my second, you know, weekend there. And what I learned from last year was to promote this one way earlier.

Um, cause last year I kind of, you know, started, I promoted it like it was a regular gig, but that club sells tickets itself. Unlike any other club that I do. So I think unlike any other club in the world. And so it was like a lot of our people ended up getting boxed out because it sold out before they had a chance to get tickets. So this time I made sure on, on our show to promote it way, way months in advance to be like, listen, if you want to, cause I know there are, there are a lot of people who know,

not just want to see me, but want to see me there. And like, I've never been before and stuff. So yeah, I thought that was very cool too. And I know it was a lot of our people. Cause like,

I could see like it sold out months ago and I could see like on the mothership website that like other weekends hadn't sold out that were, that were before mine. So it was like, you know, like they all sell out at that club, but some of them might sell out a month before some of them might sell out two months before. So I was like, okay, I could tell like kind of, Oh, all right. It's the club's draw, but a lot of our people on top of that were there. So very much looking forward to this weekend. It's going to be a lot of fun. And also it was just going to be a cool time. Cause like,

You're coming out. I think Lewis is coming out for part of it. And I believe Chris Vega is going to come hang. And so it'll just be a fun time in general. Okay, let's get into some stuff. So first of all, as you guys know, look, we've been talking nonstop about the fallout from the presidential debate. There'll be some more talk about that on this episode. It's just impossible not to. We're living in a world where it is not...

inconceivable that I could we could end this recording. I could walk upstairs and find out that the 25th Amendment has been invoked against Joe Biden. Like we're living in a time that we're in uncharted territory. You know, I just recorded Pierce Morgan's show and it was, you know, how he kind of sets it up where there's a panel and there's like kind of two Zionists and two, you know, critics of Israel.

And Cenk Uygur and me were the two critics of Israel. And then there were two other people who were like defenders of Israel. And-

From all over the political spectrum, like I'm a libertarian, Cenk's a hardcore progressive. I don't even know exactly what the politics of the other two were other than being pro-Israel. But there's four people. We're there to kind of all fight. Me and Cenk don't agree on basically anything except war. I shouldn't say that. I'm sure there's some other issues we agree on. But we disagree on a lot of issues.

And they just go down the road. The first topic is Joe Biden, which is all in agreement. Like everybody's just like, yeah, he's got to go. This guy, it's insane. This guy just shit his pants on national television. What do you talk like? Everyone's just in agreement about that. So anyway, it was just kind of interesting. Just this weird, you know, moment. Anyway, let's start with something else. So as as listeners of the show know, well, I've I've responded several times to Douglas Murray's

uh, debates or, or rants about, uh, about the war in Israel. He just the other day was on the Ben Shapiro show. And I, I must say, obviously I've, I've challenged him to a debate several times. It doesn't look like, uh, that's happening at least anytime soon. I I'll be happy to be proven wrong on that. Um, but of all of the, uh,

the, the rants and debates and arguments of his that we've kind of torn apart on the show. I, I genuinely thought this one was the most unhinged. And so, and part of that is because he's sitting down with Ben Shapiro. And so there's no type of, you know, there, there's no limiting force. Yeah.

You know, it's not like he's there in a debate where if he says something too crazy, you kind of know the other guy's going to hit you for that. Or if he's like on Pierce Morgan's show debating Cenk Uygur, then if he says something too wild, Pierce is even going to be like, well, wait a minute, you just claimed that. But with Ben Shapiro, you know, you could say whatever the hell you want to, and he's going to agree with you. So anyway, let's get into this and we'll dissect it a bit. People say, well, why are you so bothered about Israel?

And I hear that from the right, the left don't care, they know I'm beyond saving. But on the right I hear that, and I think they don't realize, they think it's some weird thing, like, why is this small state, why does it bother you? I don't think they've even remotely reflected on what I regard as the deepest reasons to care.

It seems to me if, as you well know, Western civilization is based on the legacy of Athens and Jerusalem. Athens is under great assault always, but it's not actually under existential assault at the moment. What is being attempted by Israel's enemies is the philosophical and cultural equivalent of burning all the libraries of Alexandria.

This is one of the underpinnings of Western civilization, utterly, utterly at risk. And not in a sort of metaphorical way where people might use it as a sort of book subtitle, but the real thing. I mean, you know, I've sometimes thought about it this way. I haven't tried this out in public before.

How many Jews are there? Okay, all right, let's pause it there already. This is where it gets even more bizarre to me. But just reflecting on that, I just find this narrative interesting

First of all, he does the thing where, which I hate when people do, you know, like what, this is what I was tearing Chris Cuomo apart for the other day. You know, when people like it, they'll, they'll ask themselves easy questions and then answer it. And you're like, yeah, but that was never the question anyone was asking. So you just like frame your own argument as if that, like he goes, I hear from the right all the time. Like, why do you care so much?

Why does Israel matter to you? It's like, is that really the question that people are asking? Like, why do you care? Or are they asking much more pointed questions? Like, why is it in America's interest to always back Israel? What, you know what I mean? Like what type of, uh, um,

What type of pressure does the government of Israel exert over our politics or things like this? But anyway, I just find this. So I posted this video and a couple of comments about it on Twitter. And one of the things and I think you can kind of speak to this, Rob, because you grew up in a Jewish environment, right?

So one of the things that you get when you post things like this is that you realize there is, there's a real paranoia amongst Jews, but also I guess amongst people like Douglas Murray, who are just the defenders of Israel or whatever, where they, they will speak as if, you know, he's saying, look, this isn't just like a subtitle for a book. This is real life. Jews are under existential threat. And, and,

I would certainly agree that I think Israel's actions over the last nine months have put them in more threat than they've been in before. But the idea that Israel's about to be overthrown and all of the holy sites are about to be burned to the ground or something like that because that's what their enemies want to do to them, I'm not denying that there are some enemies of Israel who might want to do that to them. There is...

they have no means by which to accomplish this in the same sense that like you might, Rob, you might, um,

You might feel that, you know, there's some there might be some blue haired college 20 year old chick who if she was running the government would just silence us and arrest us. And you know what I mean? But, you know, that's not you can't say I'm under existential threat of this woman doing this to me because she's just some 20 year old. She has no power, no means by which to enforce that. It's kind of a similar type thing here where just even this framing as if Israel is on the brink of extermination is crazy.

goofy. It's just it's removed from reality. But I know like when I debated Dennis Prager, there was one point where he started talking about anti-Semitism and how people would like kill all the Jews. And he was getting like his eyes were welding up. Like, I don't know if it came through on camera, but I was sitting right like across from him and he was like getting so emotional. I had one guy on Twitter the other day, a Jewish guy told me that

He said, even though they won't admit it, about 20 percent of Americans want to see Jews exterminated. And I just responded to the guy. I was like, listen, man, I just I got to say, I don't think you're living in reality. Like, I just I'm not saying nobody hates Jews. I'm saying amongst the people who are considered Jew haters, like amongst the people who you consider anti-Semitic, it's not 20 percent.

Like amongst like whoever, you know, pick whoever it is that you think is like the most popular Jew hater out there. Most of them don't even agree that Jews should be exterminated. The idea and you almost go like, man, what world are you living in where you think we're in a society where 20 percent of the population wants Jews?

a race exterminated. It's just, it's hard to even respond to because it's so removed from reality. I don't know. Any thoughts, Rob? I think you're overlooking. It's a threat to all of Western civilization. So intense with it. It's we're all going to die.

If Israel folds, America's gone tomorrow. It's a pinnacle of Western. It's like a support beam in some, I don't know, structure that doesn't exist. That if Israel fell tomorrow, all of Western civilization would no longer exist. It's like the water would fall off the earth.

Yeah, like I don't even know how to describe it. Like I was arguing with someone on Twitter the other day or they were saying that, like, you know, talking about how much radical Islam is a threat to Western civilization. And I was just like, look, dude, objectively.

the terror wars have done more to damage Western civilization than any radical Muslims could ever dream of doing. I mean, like, honestly, like, just think it through to yourself if you just go, okay, so what hurt America more, 9-11 or the war in Iraq? Like, forgetting even, like, the blowback argument of all of the things that we did that led to 9-11, forget all of that.

Let's just say just 9-11 or the war in Iraq. Well, right away, the war in Iraq, more Americans were killed. More Americans were killed as a result of the war directly and then by committing suicide in the wake of the war. Substantially more Americans were killed by the war in Iraq than by 9-11. It also costs...

trillions of dollars. And it also discredited our, you know, our standing in the world, our institutions, our leaders, all of this in a way that 9-11 never could have. It's just, it's just obvious like this. So, you know, it's like to focus on like the threat that Hamas poses to Israel or something like that is not nearly as like, even if you think if Israel falls, Western civilization falls, which is,

is quite a wild argument to make. I don't see how that could possibly be made. Western civilization, I don't know, you know, how many of you are history majors, but Western civilization actually predates Israel by a little bit. I don't know that it would collapse if Israel collapsed. There's no reason to suspect it would. But even aside from that, Israel's own actions are putting them more in jeopardy than anything that Hamas could ever do to them.

You know what else our response to the 9-11 did? It normalized lines. And that's how bin Laden won. Because it started with the airport security line, and then the airports were like, oh, these fuckers will just stand in lines. And then the rental agencies were like, these guys will just stand. I'm telling you, that kickstarted inflation. That kickstarted the world that we live in, where every company will just be shitty to you because the United States government displayed through TSA that we would just take it.

Yeah. You know, listen, man, there's I know you say it somewhat in jest, but I really actually think there is something there. I think there's something about the the post 9-11 conditioning of obedience on many different levels that led to the rise of woke ism and led to the COVID insanity being being logistically possible.

to implement that you had, you had decades of building up kind of this culture of obedience. And if you stray outside of the lines, you get whacked with every name in the book and every penalty that they can impose on you. I mean, I really do think there's something to that.

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All right, let's get back into the show. All right, let's keep playing this video. I've sometimes thought about it this way. I haven't tried this out in public before. How many Jews are there in the world? 15 million. 15 million, okay. This is going to come, this may come across really coarse, but let me put it this way. I mean, there are lots of conflicts in the world and I've covered a lot of conflicts involving a lot of people, but it's conceivable that at some point 15 million Christians could be killed. It would be

a disaster, a tragedy. It's conceivable that at some point, Burma, India, somewhere, 15 million Muslims could be killed. It would be a disaster. It would be a tragedy of an unimaginable scale, of mid-20th century scale. But if 15 million Jews were killed, that's the end of the story. That's it. Now, what does that mean for the Jewish people? It's the end of the people who saw off everyone from Pharaoh to Hitler.

disappeared in the 21st century. Everyone else, in my view, wouldn't survive either. Wouldn't survive either. Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state.

Because it would just pause it right here. Now, I mean, I guess I'll give Douglas Murray credit that he prefaced that by saying I've never tried this one out in public before. Maybe you'll like it. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Workshop it a little bit. Try it out in private. Run it by your wife or sorry, not wife for Douglas Murray. But, you know, run it by a friend.

Run it by a buddy, someone you respect, someone you trust. Go, hey, let me just run this by you. See if you can poke out any holes in it, you know? Because there's some glaring ones. I find this argument totally bizarre. It makes no sense. Like, there's no logic to it whatsoever. He's not even presenting exactly what the logic is. But to say it out loud in front of an audience is just so wild to me. You know, I've long said...

That at the root of it, at the very end, if you drill all the way down to the core of the arguments being presented by the people supporting what Israel is doing to Gaza, that in order to have that argument deep down at the core, there's an underlying belief that Jewish life is more valuable than Palestinian life and that you really can't get to supporting that.

Something like this, unless you just feel that way, unless you just at the bottom line, you're like, well, Palestinian life is just not as valuable, and therefore we can kill a bunch of them to ensure that a much smaller number of Jewish life is avenged or or in the case of the hostages recovered or something like that.

Now, look, that can be your feeling. But if you feel that way, you have to understand where Palestinians may not agree with you. Right. And then and then the question becomes, like, why exactly should Americans feel that way? I can understand why Israelis feel that way, but why the hell should anybody else? But here, for the first time, at least that I've I remember hearing, it's not me saying it. He's saying it.

He's just telling you that no, no, no, it would be worse to kill 15 million Jews than it would be to kill 15 million Christians or 15 million Muslims. Again, I'm not trying to strawman him here. He's not saying it would be good to kill 15 million of anybody. He's saying it'd be a tragic no matter what, but it'd be a much worse tragedy if you were to kill 15 million Jews. That to me is just bonkers. It's just bonkers to say. And I say this as a Jewish person. I don't want to see any Jews get killed, but I,

To have the starting point that somehow it would be worse because that would be the end of the bloodline or something like that, I don't – I just don't see things that way. Like I just – I think it would be an equal tragedy to kill 15 million people from any group and then for him to just assert at the end that that's the death of all of us. If the Jews go, we all go is –

It's an assertion pulled out of thin air. It makes no sense at all that if like, listen, it'd be a huge loss if 15 million Jews were killed. It'd be obviously horrible. It'd be horrible if 15 million people of any group were killed. But no, I don't believe that everybody else is just so stupid and useless that they could not continue to exist. What am I missing here, Rob?

It's such a funny thing for him to put forward because then you got to be like, yeah, it would be tragic if all Jewish people were eradicated from earth. And I also understand what he's saying of if you, if you've only got 15 million in one group of people and then you take them down to zero so that they don't exist anymore. I understand where he's coming from of that being, I guess, more tragic than 15 million random people dying. I get his point. But when he jumps to that, the world would no longer exist because

Now, the world would continue to exist, which is not a defense for, hey, let's go kill 15 million Jewish people because the world will continue to exist. Of course.

But once you're putting forward arguments like this, doesn't that mean you have nothing else? This is your best rat. Like once people start putting forward bullshit, it's because they actually don't have a good reason. So the fact that you're not having a conversation, why is, why is Israel at this level of support from the American people? And why do they get to kill innocent civilians at this level? And we'll continue to support them. And then if your conversation is, well, if the Jews stopped to exist, it's,

then the entire world wouldn't exist anymore. Well, you just jumped to bullshit. So I guess you don't have an answer to the actual questions. Yeah, I mean, and of course, I always hate... Like, I...

I'm not against hypotheticals being used to demonstrate a point or something like that. But it does seem that oftentimes these kind of hypotheticals are used to totally distract from the actual reality of what we're what's going on. And it just doesn't it doesn't apply at all. I mean, it's just simply it's like as hypothetical.

The people in Gaza are being slaughtered. We're sitting here talking about why it would be worse for a huge number of Jews to be slaughtered than a huge number of Muslims to be slaughtered. And it's like, dude, there's no look as was wherever the level of support is for Israel by the United States of America and by the Western world.

And and there's no question that obviously public opinion around the world has been very harsh on Israel over the last nine months and for some fairly obvious reasons.

And Joe Biden say the political dynamic is that he's got a base about 70% of whom support a permanent ceasefire, about 50% of whom consider what's going on there, a genocide. So he's got a political issue on his hands because he's funding what they consider to be a genocide. So he may have to say some things about how, Hey, we would like Israel to pull back or we want to send some more aid to Gaza or whatever, but he's still funding and arming the whole goddamn war. And so,

When Iran launched those missiles at Israel, everybody... I mean, not only the United States of America, but also Saudi Arabia and Jordan. I mean, even the Sunni Gulf states. I guess Jordan is not a Gulf state, but all the Sunni sock puppets of America, they all got involved in defending Israel too. The idea that we would allow everybody

everyone in Israel to just be slaughtered is just totally removed from reality. Like if that's your concern, I have good news for you. That's not happening. You know, it's not happening anytime soon. This is very similar to the Sam Harris argument of if every COVID condition was different and the vaccine worked differently and we lived in a different reality, this would have been a good idea.

He's essentially saying, hey, instead of having a conversation about how Israel can protect itself and how it actually treats this other group of people and the history of how they got there, imagine we lived in a world where all the Jews were going to be killed tomorrow. And how – like, well, that's not the world we live in, and that's not the conversation that we're having. Right. You know, and I'll say – no, it's a very apt comparison. And I'll say that –

You know, it's not as if like I've done a lot of these these Israel debates and I think I got another one coming up and I'll use analogies and metaphors and hypotheticals in the debate sometimes. But it's always then to bring it back to like the history. What's going on right now? What you know what I mean? Like what? Like a tangible argument. And.

There is something about relying on these on these like hypotheticals that, you know, are always used by war hawks. It's always like counterfactuals or hypotheticals or if the situation was totally different and this happened, then what? You know, one of the things I hear a lot is.

I literally just responded to someone on Twitter the other day who said this to me, where they said something about like, well, what if Israel went back to 1967 borders? They ended the occupation. They ended the blockade. They ended the war going on in Gaza right now. And they just, you know, gave the Palestinians their freedom. Like you guys are independent of Israel. And and then Hamas kept attacking.

You know, and I answered, I quoted, not quoted, I should say, but I basically said, I paraphrased Daryl Cooper. And what his response was when I remember he was asked about this once and he just goes, well, then we would be having a different conversation, wouldn't we? Yeah.

And I like I think that's totally reasonable. Right. Like, yes. Then in that situation, we'd be having a different conversation. But since we're not in that situation, let's have the conversation of what we are actually in.

And like, I don't see how that's not a reasonable answer, you know? And now I could also make an argument as to why I think it would be unlikely that that would happen. And it's more likely that tensions would actually simmer down. I can point to historical pieces of evidence for this. Like, you know, for example, that violence between the Palestinians and the Israelis was actually much lower during the Oslo negotiations. And once those peace negotiations fell apart,

then Sharon visited the temple Mount and then the second Antifata kicked off.

And like, OK, so things got a lot worse when peace negotiations fell down. You can see that support for Hamas rises when Israel's being their most violent and their most brutal towards the Palestinian Palestinians. And it lowers when that brutality like, you know, is brought down a little bit. However, no one knows for 100 percent sure what's going to happen. But, you know, in the same way that this way, I bring up that Jefferson quote all the time in the same way that saying like, well, if we free the slaves, are they going to try to kill all of us?

is not a justification for slavery. You know, it's like, okay, well, you got to end slavery because you're not allowed to do that to other people. And then if this problem presents itself later, you got to try to deal with that problem later. But the situation right now is something very different, where the Palestinians have been occupied since 1967. You know, you think about it like this, right?

Gaza, before October 7th, had been under occupation by Israel since 1967, and they had been under blockade by Israel since 2005 or 2006. The people who did October 7th were probably mostly in their, what, early 20s? Something like that? There was 50% unemployment there.

in Gaza pre-October 7th. Okay? And this is in large part because of the blockade around the country. These guys, and this isn't to justify Hamas at all, because clearly, obviously, they committed atrocities on October 7th. But many of these people were breaking out of Gaza for the first time ever. Gaza's like five miles wide and 25 miles long. And these people have been kept there forever. Right?

You know, these are the it's more akin to a prison break than anything else. Now they broke out of the prison and killed everything that moves. OK, that's not OK. You're not allowed to do that, you know, but you can still kind of look at the situation and go like, yeah, dude, you know, you keep people in these conditions. They might become savages.

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Because it would be, among much else, the cutting away of the whole tree that we're on, and Western civilization would die. So I regard the existential threat against the Jewish people to not just be about the Jewish people. It matters deeply to me that it is about the Jewish people. But it also matters to me because it's about America. Could America survive if the Jewish people were no more on its watch, or everybody was forcibly deported to

from the Holy Land. Come on. Of course not. Could the isolationist bear the... Pause it right there. What is the argument? Aside from just asserting, of course not. First of all, I got to ask here, like, what do you... I mean, they say there's 15 million Jews. What exactly is the breakdown of that? I think there's like five plus in Israel million Jews. Absolutely.

And then in America, somewhere around the same. Maybe I might have those numbers wrong. There might be more between New York and L.A. I don't know exactly. But so you have like I'm just like, take me through this hypothetical here, because at first you're like, so not only have they exterminated all of the Jews in Israel, but they've come over to America and they've come to Europe and they've killed all the Jews there, too. And, you know.

How? By what? In what crazy fantasy is this all possible? Seven point five million in the US, I'm being told. OK, so how did they get all seven point five million in the US? But then he clarifies that even if they just expelled them, like let's say the Jews are just kicked out of Israel and they have to go back to Europe or they have to go to the United States of America or something like that.

He's saying that America ceases to exist. And he doesn't attach any argument to this. He just asks the questions and then goes, of course not. Like what?

Take me through that. It is by the like I could understand if he was making perhaps I could understand if he was like making some evangelical Christian argument that it would anger God and then God would kill all of us or something. But like, just take me through this. How would this end the United States of America? Because Palestinians would control Tel Aviv. Why? Why?

Why is that so obvious? I mean, speak slowly. Talk to me like I'm really, really dumb. Explain it to me. Why is it that that would result in the United States of America ceasing to exist? And why is it so obvious? He asked the question and then said, of course not. So like what? Why exactly is this so self-evident that America would cease to exist? In fact, it seems to not only not be self-evident, it seems to be fucking absurd, right?

So like now, by the way, I'm not saying that the Jews should be kicked out of Tel Aviv. You know, like I've always been an advocate of 67 borders. I think that's kind of the most reasonable compromise right now. That has also been the baseline starting point for every round of negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, including not only the ones that they've been a part of with the United States of America, but the Saudi proposals, etc.

and the proposals from the PLO and from Hamas and from Yitzhak Rabin, like all of them, that's always the starting point is 67 borders. The question is whether they get to control the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza or whether they don't. There's never been a debate about whether all, I mean, I'm like, I'm not saying that the craziest Islamists haven't said from the river to the sea. I'm saying there's never actually been like a debate about whether that's gonna be implemented or not.

But this argument that even if the Jews were forced to leave, which would be terrible, it would be doing to them what was done to the Palestinians, which is wrong. But where do you get from there to the United States of America ceases to exist? Firstly, are we sure that Douglas Murray isn't just some Michael Malice troll character? He's a really good one if he is. Yeah, this might just be...

All right. This is the most favorable sitting at my Passover Seder working loops in your head. Charitable explanation for what Douglas Murray is saying. All right. I want to hear it. I think he's he's not quite saying America will cease to exist. He's saying Western civilization will cease to exist. And I think what he's getting at is that if we allow this to happen, we're so cruel. We wouldn't have the same spirit of what Western civilization is supposed to have.

But even if that's true, the leaps he's taking and that we're not having a conversation about anyone advocating for genociding or rounding up all the Jews. There's no real security threat to Israel of them all dying tomorrow. So it's a nonsense conversation no matter what. And he's not quite, as you said, explaining to us how it.

Firstly, why are we having a conversation as if all the Jews are being eradicated? No one's. Why are you doing that? This is stupid. But then also, if all the Jews were to be eradicated, and what way does that mean that Western civilization would be over? And that's the only reason I can give for what he's trying to say is that we would be a different, crueler civilization. Yeah, I mean, I suppose that's maybe. Yeah.

I don't know. The whole thing's stupid. I'm just I'm I'm saying this whole thing is nonsense. Yeah, no, it is. And I'm glad you made the comparison because I didn't even really think of it. But it is like the Sam Harris thing. Like, it's just kind of like, oh, well, what if COVID had a 50 percent death rate and the vaccines were 100 percent safe and effective? Then how about mandating that? If everything in the world was different, what I was saying would be rather smart.

It's like, yeah, like maybe. I mean, by the way, I don't with the Sam Harris one. I don't even agree with your conclusion there. I mean, like, obviously, that'd be a much worse situation. But I just don't buy that you'd need mandates.

You know what I mean? Like, I think if that were the case, then I think you, the, the only issue you would have would be that there's such a high demand that these vaccines are flying off the shelves so quickly and there would just be no need to force people. It's, I just don't buy that. Like you'd have to force people to survive. I think that's like the most fundamental, you know, instinct that people have. Um,

And likewise, in this scenario, it's like even in this scenario, it's just not clear to me that America would cease to exist. But also, like, if you're going to make a claim like that, you got to back it up with some type of argument. We have too many addicts in America. How are you going to get all the Jews? Yeah, yeah. You know how many addicts we have? Germans. They don't build with addicts. That's why it was so easy. Well, it's also, look, I will say there's also something about

The, you know, again, which is always, as I pointed out many times, it's something kind of ironic and hilarious about the fact that all of the most hardcore anti-woke people invoke like this woke argument.

when they're trying to, you know, when the topic of Israel comes up. But as I pointed out on Glenn Greenwald's show the other day, it's actually a much weaker argument for Jews than it is for any other group. Like if you're talking about like black people in America and the history of racism, it's just a lot different than talking about Jewish people in the history of antisemitism because Jews are so successful. And like the idea that

You know, painting the Jews, as has always been done, as like this kind of victimized minority that's completely powerless. I mean, that that certainly is true of Jewish people who lived under territory controlled by Adolf Hitler.

Like they were pretty helpless. But that's just not the story of Jewish people throughout the Western world today. It's not objectively. And, you know, even when the like the history of Israel is told, it's always told is like, look, man, there were these like these these Jewish farmers who had just been kicked all around the world. And so they finally went to set up shop in Israel and then they were attacked by

by like all of these outside Arab nations just for declaring independence. And miraculously, somehow they defeated all of them. And like even, you know, like I think about I remember being told this story when I was a little kid and I was like, how did I not raise an eyebrow right away? Like when they told you that story, don't you first go, huh? Like they beat off six foreign armies.

Just a bunch of farmers, like, did that? And then you're like, oh, no, no, no, no. Because they had, like, tremendous, like, these humongous militias that had tremendous international financing behind them. They were well-trained. They were vicious groups of terrorist militias. And those militias fought off these guys and won. But it's just not the – like, the idea that, like, if all Jewish people were –

Somehow it was conceivable that they all could be targeted this way, that we have like no means of fighting back or that is just, again, totally removed from reality. All right, let's play the rest of this video. Could the isolationists bear the repercussions of that across the Middle East and elsewhere? Of course not. So I find this blitheness fascinating.

and the frivolity of it to be absolutely intolerable among the critics on the right. One of the things that's been so amazing about all of this is just the sense that the West has lost its moorings. I mean, I was more disturbed from a sort of Jewish perspective as a Jew,

tragedies happened to the Jews, terrorist attacks happened to Jews, slaughters happened to Jews. This is sort of the story of Jewish history. But the idea that you have hundreds of thousands of Westerners who are marching in solidarity with the murderers, that was on some level more disturbing to me than the actual massacre itself. Certainly not in terms of, you know, the actual amount of human suffering and the horrifying evil and barbarity of it. But in terms of the threat to the civilization as a whole, it seems to me that one of the things that we're seeing in terms of this sort

sort of right-wing backlash that's now happening in Europe. It's very much at peace with that. It's very much Europe, and I'm hoping America, saying, if we don't have any values for us to rely upon, then the people who are marching through the streets are going to end up running this place.

All right. So that's the end of the clip there. I mean, I guess just in response to Ben Shapiro there, it's also just not living in reality. You know, the idea that there's and I'm not saying like there aren't people who hate Jews or even want to see them get killed. There are some. But the idea that hundreds of thousands of people are marching because they want to see more Jews get killed is just, I think,

Not true. Clearly the least charitable interpretation of what's going on. It's like a lot of people are sticking up for the Palestinians who objectively have it much worse than the Jews. Like, you know, like it's just it's impossible to sit here and invoke the history of anti-Semitism and therefore say the Jews are the, you know, the the put upon victims here when no, look, the Palestinian people, even if you blame Hamas for it.

As many of the Zionists try to do, which I don't think is is is anywhere approaching sane to put like 100 percent of the blame on Hamas for the Palestinian suffering. Obviously, Israel has a lot of responsibility for that, but they're suffering far more.

Far more of them are being killed. Far more of them are living in misery. Far more of them are denied basic human rights. That's just objectively a fact. And so you have a lot of people protesting, sticking up for those guys to equate that with wanting to see Jewish women and children killed is just not accurate. So, okay. I, it should be pointed out that on this topic,

There was a major damning piece that was put out by Haaretz. Haaretz. Some people get mad at me for the way I pronounce that, but I stand by it. You're not supposed to pronounce things in like the accent of a foreign language. And that's nothing's worse than when people do that. It's France. I'm not supposed to go, you know, over in en français. There.

There was a recent election and there's protests in the streets. It's like when people do that with Spanish, you know what I mean? Like when they'll be like, Roberto Gonzalez was over at the house the other day and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, you don't do that. You say it in a stiff American accent, herets, okay? I don't care how it's pronounced in Hebrew. Anyway, they just put out a major piece and, you know, this kind of corroborates what,

And many, you know, military people and eyewitnesses have testified to, but they are running with the story that the Hannibal directive was implemented on October 7th. This was something a lot of us had speculated about because just due to a lot of the images, it looked like.

some of this seemed like it had come from like hellfire missiles and not hand grenades. You know, when you see the lined up cars that are all, you know, totally incinerated and stuff like that. But this is now one of the biggest newspapers in Israel is reporting this with, with multiple sources. Um, there, they are anonymous sources. So take that into consideration, but it's hard to imagine her. It's would run with something like this if they didn't have some people, you know what I mean? That had like come to them with it. And, and,

Again, that doesn't I still don't think we have a good idea of how many Israelis were killed by the IDF compared to how many were killed by Hamas.

But that's a pretty big piece of information. You know, if like the death toll has been touted out and kind of used as why Israel must take this action and why the U.S. must support it. And if a lot or a meaningful percentage of that death toll came from the fact that Israel decided to kill its own civilians, that's a big that's a big piece of information.

It's amazing how much more interesting the Israeli coverage of some of these problems, such as Netanyahu's relationship with Hamas and, you know, the payments going through Qatar. None of this stuff ever seems to make it to our media.

Yeah, well, it kind of trickles over to our media. There was that buying quiet piece by the New York Times, which was like half admitting the truth and half a kind of cover job because he wasn't really just buying quiet. That wasn't exactly the idea. And you can listen to his own words and people in his cabinet and all across the Israeli government and explain what they were really buying, which was thwarting the peace process. But...

Yeah, this has always been true. It's a fascinating dynamic about Israel that within Israel, there is much wider. There is a much wider range of allowable opinion on these topics than there is in the United States of America, which has been the case forever. So I didn't actually read the piece. What was was it stated definitively that Israel?

I guess Israel had it accidentally or otherwise fired upon. I mean, there was clearly a terrorist incident on the day. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, there's no question about that. Right. So there were, so, so essentially what the piece was arguing was that around 11 AM in the morning, the, the,

the directive was given that nobody is to be allowed to return to Gaza, no hostages. Basically with the Hannibal Hannibal directive, which was implemented for a while and then was at least officially banned was, and I believe initially it applied to soldiers, but they were like, you know, if,

if Palestinians try to take hostages, you kill the hostages as well as the Palestinian. You kill every, like you kill them before you allow them to be used as bargaining chips against Israel that will then weaken them or put them into a position where they have to negotiate for their release. Doesn't that somewhat not line up, at least in my head, with the lapse in time of the Israel military response? Because from what I recall, there was about a six-hour meeting

Yeah. Small country where, and you could argue, Hey, you don't want to do half measures. They didn't know the nature of the thing and they didn't want to just throw soldiers down there to create a bigger problem until they knew what was happening. But it certainly felt like if there was any, uh, and I'm just gonna use the word milking of the situation was realizing, Hey, this is bad, but we're going to get some support for whatever. So let's let it be really bad as opposed to contained bad. And, um,

I guess directives to kill the hostages as well doesn't really seem to go in line with the what we saw or from what I remember of there being quite a bit of a lapse in time before Israel went down to clear out the, you know, the terrorists that had come across the border. Yeah, no, it certainly raises some questions about that. And these are very important questions that still have not been answered.

Like, why the hell did it take so long? And if you were instituting the Hannibal Directive, why would you not be just going for it at that point? So all of that is still somewhat unclear. I will say that this does...

it casts some doubt on some of the wilder conspiracies, which I've never like bought into. But the idea that like this was some type of inside job or false flag or that they wanted these hostages to be taken so that they would have their excuse to launch this assault on Gaza. That does not seem to be the case. I think we're right back to kind of what I've thought this was from the very beginning, which was that the Likud party under Benjamin Netanyahu's leadership was

cynically decided that they were going to keep Hamas in power and prop them up so that they would never have to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinians. They would never have to give them their own state. And that so they could continue to in effect annex more and more of the West Bank,

By pointing to Gaza and saying, look, Hamas is in charge. We can't negotiate with these terrorists. And that therefore, even amongst as Ehud Barak said in his own words, that you could also look to the liberal Israelis themselves.

who, if the Palestinian Authority were in charge and they were saying, hey, let's make a deal, a lot of liberal Israelis would say, yeah, let's make a deal. We don't want to be occupiers. We want to give them their own state. But now you don't have to deal with those liberal Israelis because you could look at them and say we have no partner for peace. Right. And I think that there was tremendous hubris all along in downplaying Hamas's ability to touch Israel. Right.

Like, oh, these guys are a bunch of rookies. They can't do shit to us anyway. We control the height of the flame was Netanyahu's quote. So that, you know, basically being like, yeah, look, I know we're playing with fire, but we control the height of the flame. We can control that. And they found out on October 7th that they don't.

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Let's get back into the show. OK, let's in the little bit of time we have left here, let's transition back to the, you know, the state of everything here. I'm kind of debating from these videos. You know what? Let's go with the Jake Tapper one, because I actually found this one pretty interesting. Here's Jake Tapper at CNN talking about Joe Biden. Before the president did that, he called into a couple of black radio stations where he said, among other things, this.

By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, first black woman to serve with a black president. I'm proud to be the first black woman in the Supreme Court. There's just so much that we can do because together, there's nothing. Look, this is the United States of America. He's proud to be the first black woman? Not coherent.

And even then, we later found out later from the radio host that the Biden campaign had given her a list of questions to ask President Biden. That is a huge no-no in journalism, and the host was fired for it, but it remains quite telling that in the Biden campaign's efforts to show that the president has not missed a step, his campaign felt the need to feed questions to the hosts for a call-in radio interview. And the president still, even then, failed to deliver in many of his answers.

All right. So the knives are out for Joe Biden. This is, you know, I've we've been talking about this. We were talking about on the podcast last week that where I was kind of like breaking down how there are these different groups of people, you know, like there's people within Joe Biden's cabinet who want to keep their cabinet position. So they want him to run because they're like, hey, look, it's what even if he's only got a 10 percent chance of winning, that's fine.

Still 10% I keep this job, whereas there's a 0% chance if he doesn't run that I keep this job. But that's not who really runs our society.

It's not Joe Biden's cabinet picks. It's not Jill Biden. You know, there are powerful forces, very powerful forces, the military industrial complex, big pharma, big banks. You know what I mean? Like really powerful forces who they don't give a shit about whether it's Joe Biden. All they want is an establishment Republican or Democrat.

They don't give a shit if it's Mitt Romney or it's Barack Obama or it's Joe Biden or it's Kamala Harris or it's Gavin Newsom. They don't like Trump. They don't want it to be Donald Trump because they see him as a wild card, whereas these other guys, their position is a little bit more secured. And so their only interest is who can defeat Donald Trump. And it's clear at this point that Joe Biden cannot. And so the knives are coming out. But what's interesting about this, first of all, the actual gaffe itself is

is uh undeniably funny i mean joe biden says on tape i am the first uh female black vice president pretty that's pretty funny objectively you run that through the funny machine and it comes out positive positive for funny um however in the context of joe biden stumbles pretty mild i

Pretty mild. Everybody listening to that knows what he meant. He misspoke. It's actually really not nearly as bad. It's not like he collapsed in on himself, completely forgot his thought, and then just bailed on finishing the thought, which he does constantly. OK, it wasn't that we all know what he was saying. He was saying, I picked the first black female president and I served under the first black president.

That's what he was saying. It's very clear. And the fact that Jake Tapper is pouncing on this really shows you something because there is look, Rob, in I had a joke in my my last comedy special about how Joe Biden just collapses into himself and then forgets where what he was saying. And I was doing that joke.

For a year before I put out the special, it's like this has been a thing for a long time, and Jake Tapper has never pounced on it. So he's now pouncing on what is a fairly tame gaffe.

grading on a biden curve if that makes sense what do you think yeah just the indignation is so funny these are just sales people they get their marching orders the whole time they weren't looking at it and i mean talk about being caught with your pants down that just last week they were telling you that the conservative clips that were not selectively edited were lying to you to try and present it to you as if biden had dementia wow dude and then just

Yeah. I forgot about the term cheap fakes. What a short lived run that had, huh? Yeah. They tried to sell it for one week and then different marching orders. Uh, when they were, when someone up top realized, Hey, let's push the guy out. This is my opportunity. We still don't know who that guy is. Isn't that fun? Yeah.

Yeah, well, whether it's one guy or not, there certainly were some people who made the decision during the debate, probably within the first few minutes of the debate, that we got to go a different direction. This is not tenable. We thought we could get him over the finish line. We can't. Is Barack allowed to run as VP? Could they do like a Kamala Harris and Barack as VP thing? Wink, wink, nod, nod. The crazy bitch won't actually be doing anything.

You know, I don't think so. That's an interesting question. I'm not sure if technically he's barred from being VP. The issue there would be he couldn't assume the presidency. Right. So I'm not sure. Yeah. If something were to happen. Yeah. Right. So I don't know. That's that's an interesting question. I'm not I'm not actually sure what the constitutionality of that would be. I think that it look, it's just it's pretty obvious here. It reminds me a bit of the Harvey Weinstein story.

where there were all these people, you know, in Hollywood who protected this guy. It was very known. Many people have come out and talked about it, but it was a very known thing that he was a real creep and a real piece of shit with women. And, you know, look, I mean, Harvey Weinstein, everyone knew he was banging all these like hot chicks in Hollywood and no one thinks that he was getting that because he was such a handsome guy. Um,

And then as soon as it's over, like the next Oscars, they're all championing themselves and patting themselves on the back about the Me Too movement and how they're standing up against these creeps. And it's like you see the same thing here where Jake Tapper is kind of patting himself on the back because like I'm showing you, you know, they're trying to spin it like he's he's not senile. But look, man, the guy's totally senile. It's like.

No, it was you. You were trying to spin it that way. All of you guys. And it's like, dude, it's like me sitting across from Chris Cuomo while he goes, look, I didn't like that people were mocking Joe Rogan. And I got to be like, no, you, you were the guy doing that. Like, there's no way, there's no way to not have the pitch of your voice elevate when someone tries to do that to you. You know what I mean? You just find yourself going, oh.

You, you, you psychopath. You did it. And same to Jake Tapper. I mean, there were, I don't even know how to say how many opportunities have there been? Honestly, if you could put a number on it, let's just say, imagine you could, you could put a number on it. What, how many opportunities have there been over the last four years to Jake tap for Jake Tapper to have this segment on?

Joe Biden said this. Look at him. Doesn't really sound like he really knows what he's talking about. Sounds like he's losing a step. You could have, and I'm not exaggerating, you could have done this every show for your entire show over the last four years. That's how many moments like that. Like I'm saying with the...

With with a clip this bad, a stumble like this being the bar, like I'm saying, with just clips this bad or worse, you could have done every single show on Joe Biden over the last four years. Strange. Why are you doing it now? Who's you know what I mean? Like who's leading this drastic change in tone?

Yeah. And just to give it a little perspective, imagine I'm not saying that the COVID vaccines were over overwhelmingly dangerous. I'm not making that claim. I'll make that clear. But if imagine CNN or Big Pharma did not want the COVID vaccine, let's say it was exclusively a Chinese company and they didn't want in this country. And so every single time there was a vaccine injury, they did full day coverage of the person who encountered a vaccine injury.

And even let's just say the vaccine actually was good and that these were just freak occurrences. They could have sold you on not taking it. They got a lot of control with how they how they show issues and what they cover. And this one's fascinating that now they're guns a blazing for Biden for having dementia.

Yeah. No, it just shows you what's going on here. And look, I'm going to stand by what I said. Like, look, this guy's not going to be the nominee. And I really wouldn't be surprised if the 25th Amendment was invoked. More likely, it'll just be that he he steps down. But there it's someone else.

It might be Kamala Harris. She just might box him in. Or it might be somebody else. But it is not going to be Joe Biden. I'm confident in that. There's simply no recovering from this. And there's too many powerful people who want... Look, I still... And this is the weird position here. And we knew this was going to be a goofy race and there's going to be a lot of wild stuff happening. I still...

I'm not convinced that they will allow Donald Trump to be back in the White House. You know, I think lots of signals have come from very powerful corners of the country that that cannot be allowed to happen under any circumstance. But let's just say they were getting ready to test what I'm allowed to say on YouTube here.

Let's say hypothetically they were getting ready to do something that rhymes with peel the election. They need to have a plausible candidate in there. It can't be that obvious. I also think they need someone who could at least keep it close.

Yeah, I think there's a margin of victory at which they don't actually feel comfortable engaging in those shenanigans because it's too obvious. That's right. At this point, though, I could. Let's have some fun with Kamala. We've had a lot of fun with Biden. I've made a lot of jokes at his expense. And I've been saying on stage that I want that he wins. I've had plenty of jokes about it. But, you know, Kamala is like that comic that every time they go on stage bombs, but thinks they're doing great.

They're the comic that's fun to watch bomb. Yeah, fun to watch bomb. But then also they get offstage delusional like they love me tonight. Yeah. And she does not seem to have any self-awareness about how firstly unqualified she would be for the job and also just how unlikable she is. And I guess when you're that close, it's almost like if you brought, you know,

you made it to the playoff rounds type deal. It's like she's too close to not take the chance to try and win because she doesn't care about other people. It's just about the making the history books and the power of it and what you can do. It's not about the actual job, the party, anyone else. She's too close to not try and take the opportunity and play it through. But she really has no self-awareness to the fact that

I mean, she should. There's quantifiable numbers of how she was doing when she ran the last time. What was she doing? Less than 1%. There's a number to it. There's literally a number on how likable she was. And it's not a good number. Now, listen, well said. And we will see what happens, man. Wild times. All right. I really am very much looking forward to this weekend. I'll see you out there, Rob. And we'll see you guys all back on the next episode. Catch you later. Peace.