Chael Sonnen Exposes WWE’s Vince McMahon, Conor McGregor’s Legacy, & Anderson Silva Revenge
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I mean, when Vince got Me Too out of the business, I did think it was a surprise. But as good as he is, I would not completely count that he couldn't come back. When the men start coming out, it will be a different story. He used to bang dudes a lot. Oh, yeah. But he would hold their careers over, just like he would the women. It was the same thing. You get paid more, you get pushed more. This is not a secret in the industry. There is a lot of homosexuals that Vince came across, but there was also straight guys that just wanted to push in the business, where it turned into prostitution. That was very well

- If you had to bang one wrestling, who would it be? If you're Vince, who are you choosing? - I'm trying to think of an anthem without sounding gay. - Go like right in stereo so you don't have to see his face. - Now that's a stud answer right there. - Conor needs a win to prove that he deserves another fight and he could sell and he could still be a top draw.

I don't know for how long without winning you could do that. But my point is, I mean, Connor really is fighting for a lot, like possibly his career is on the line. I'm sorry for the insensitivity we might've said with the word gay earlier. I didn't see the fingernails. I didn't. That didn't. So who are you voting for? Worm Man?

Yeah. For, I'm sorry. Worm? Is that Trump? No. Who's Worm Man? Come on, dude. You don't know Worm Man? No. You don't know Worm Man? I mean, I assume you're talking about RFK. Yes. No, what's a worm brain? He said a worm made part of his brain. Oh, my God. Wait, what is this?

That was like a week ago. Why did he say that? I don't know. He was doing great. Everybody's like, there's a third option when he came out. He was doing great, right? Why did he do it? Because that wasn't to explain his voice. I mean, it had nothing to do with that. If he said, a worm ate my voice box, we'd be like, oh, that makes sense. Poor guy. I know, yeah, poor guy. But it was literally at the pinnacle, right? He's at the zenith.

of his popularity and nobody supported Trump or Biden. And he comes up, he goes, by the way, a worm ate a piece of my brain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look at it, that's your voice, because none of it's something completely unrelated. Did he run that back, by the way? What happened after the worm brain incident?

I think he's just kind of standing on it. Oh, he is. No, really, a worm has part of my brain. I think he said three worms could eat my brain and I'd still be smarter than either of the candidates, which is a fairly good response. You've seen Men in Black. It's basically that kind of situation. He might be proof that politicians need to lie.

He's been really honest about everything, and we're like, chill, dog. This is too much. He went on the House. I can't remember why they had him in there, but he testified something in front of the House, and Nancy Pelosi, they destroyed him. It was in honor of Joe Biden. Like, Democrats will eat their own, and Republicans won't do that. But, I mean, they destroyed that poor guy, and a lot of it had to do with his beliefs on COVID, which...

It turned out he was kind of ahead of the curve on Vinny. But it also had to do with the CIA and the assassination of his family members. And I feel like that's a sensitive topic to tell him he's wrong. Yeah, can you blame him? No, can you blame him? How would you feel if your father and your uncle, my goodness. By the way, have you ever gone to Dallas, the place where J.K. was shot? If you stand there and you do that daily tour, you just look around to the prison and the suppository and the window and you go,

It is a lie. Lee Horner the Old School did not do that. For sure he did not do that. At least not alone. That shot from that window. It's a good shot. It's a good shot. Which, by the way, why doesn't he take it when the car is coming straight? He waits until the car... It's very relevant, though.

And you've seen those pictures. They're very graphic. But of JFK's head, it's like a waterman. It's so gross. But his brain is... You know, it's really bad. So, I mean, you can tell the exact angle that it's at. You can tell. It's like, no, there's no question. You're saying you couldn't make that shot. No. Yeah. Well...

Well, I would have taken it straight on. He was military trained, but even a country boy like me, you know, we shot it. You can take that straight. But no, you wait for it to turn. Then even if you took it, though, the point is he was clearly hitting the front based on the pit where the brain is leaving. Yeah. And not the side. And that kind of wraps the whole case right there. Like, you don't have to know a lot about ballistics. You can just look at that photo. Look at the window.

That's an amazing story. Then Jack Ruby. I mean, that is an amazing story. You know, Trump has that real story. No. Trump has that real... All the presidents do. And Trump promised he would release it, and he didn't. And he kept, like, every day. No. It was the time to release it. He wouldn't do it. And was it Alan Dershowitz?

which it was a well-known lawyer, I don't think it was Alan, but had contacted him and said, why did you not release it? You promised. It was a big thing. I helped your campaign. I really wanted to know this. I'm curious. And Trump said, if you knew, if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't have released it either. Oh, wow. Yeah, and he's gone.

You know, all this aliens and stuff, the presidents know that too, but Trump has really tried to let us know, yes, there is some aliens. I'm not going to be like these other presidents. I'm not going to tell you, but he is trying to let us know for when it does come out. Do you believe it? I didn't lie. Aliens?

Golly, what do you call them? Do you call them aliens? No, I don't think there's somebody from like Mars or something like that. But I got to tell you this. Everyone that I talk to, and I'm not any different, ghosts and aliens and God himself, it all comes... What did your mother tell you? Did your mother tell you there's no such thing as ghosts? All right, then you don't believe in ghosts. My mother told me there was no ghosts. She told me there was no aliens. A good friend of mine told me, it's a very sound theory, he said aliens are just Asians. And...

That's it. I don't know how to respond. Do we laugh or is that... I don't know either. It's your theory. I never said that. I never said that. They look the most similar. That's all I said. That was my theory. My theory is they look the most similar. They're the smartest. They probably are the aliens. See, I'm glad that happened because if I...

want to laugh and then like end up in HR but now I know it's the HR department. We have an HR department here as well. I gotta tell you, have we started the show? I don't know. When Chael is on, when the bad guy's on the couch, he does whatever the fuck he wants. He came on 20 pounds heavier than last time. He's jacked the fuck up. Steroids in a little glass bottle. He's got a fight

June 15th. Let's go. The guy's on it. Tell him. I'm just telling you. Not only, I appreciate you saying that. There was no salesmanship. This fight, apparently, that I'm doing with Anderson, you can't get a ticket. It's a private event. There is a private, there is a multi-billionaire that is, it's like his company party. He owns a beer company. Wow.

And this is a black tie event. He's not even at an arena. He has a place. He set up a ring. He called the Brazilian commission. You know, like sometimes you'll hear that Celine Dion went and sang for... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saudi Prince, yeah. I don't mean to compare ourselves to Celine. But it's like that. So we're just going in this room. I...

I was told there's 60 people. I read somewhere there could be up to 600. There was a zero added. I don't know which it is. I actually think it's going to be closer to 60. There is no distribution. There is no television. This will not, somebody will film it, but they're not like selling it or it's a live. What's the check? Yeah, when I tell you. That's what we want. What's the check? It's a corporate event. I want to tell you so bad. Tell me so bad. Tell me so bad. Can I just give you a hint? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They wanted this fight really bad. They wanted this fight really, really bad. Okay, okay, okay. Now, I know one thing about Chael Sonnen. Chael Sonnen once made $18 million on a fight. That's what I'm... Sorry, eight. Eight. $8.8 million. He said, Dana White contacted me. Dana White contacted me after I told you that, by the way. Oh, what'd he say?

He's like, there was a rounding error. He's like, it is amazing how you do not let the truth get in the way of a story. Just like that. And it was this great thing. But he was always irritated when I started blabbing those things. He was always irritated by it. Yeah, yeah. I think there was a part of him, to your point, that might have called the accounting department. Hey, hey guys, did you give that? He's,

He's telling people he got 10. Did you give him? He does hate budget meetings. I heard him say that on a podcast. He's like, I never want to be in a budget meeting. So maybe he missed that one. He would not ask for it back, by the way. If there was a check that went out, he would never ask for it back. 8.8. So are we in that ballpark with this one? No. No, no. No, we are not. But...

I was very surprised. Yeah, I mean, in some regards, I was surprised. I was flattered. But the thing is, is they were competing with the Middle East. Those guys are doing things right now in fighting that is like changing...

It's changing the game, at least for the short. I went to one, by the way. I got invited to Riyadh. It was PFL versus Bellator. I know they're owned by the same, but they still did a head-to-head duel. It was awesome, man. Francis was there, and Mike Tyson was there, and Jon Jones came out in the garb. It was just great. It was just this...

Killer event. They built the arena for this event. Yeah. And I saw some of that. It took them two weeks to do it, and I was there about five days early. So I saw those. It was unbelievable. Where you go one day, and then you go the next day, and there's carpeted, and there's bathrooms. I used to be in plumbing. You can't put a bathroom in overnight. It can't be. They did. They did. They put two in, in fact. One for the women as well. Yeah. Oh, it was unbelievable what they could do. Yeah.

- Yeah. - East African labor, by the way. If you're wondering like where the labor force come from, a lot of it was-- - India and Pakistan. - A lot of it was. A lot of Chinese in Abu Dhabi when I went in 2001, a lot of Russian labor in 2001. - What type of labor? - East African, everything. They come in and do it all. I mean, they will put those carpet down. You get in an elevator in the Middle East,

You know when you get one in America? It goes up. It goes straight into the sky. If you get one in America, there's a permit in the bottom of it. There's a fire code. There's like some stuff. There's none of that stuff. Are you saying you prefer the Middle East to the United States or America? I'm just saying, man, they are building over there and they are not stopping and they're not getting held up by the bureaucracy. Sounds like they've offered you a fight.

No, well, they were part of this. They were actually a part of why the Anderson thing, I mean... Because there was bidding war going on. Yes. I'm not trying to brag on this, by the way. It was very exciting. You know, I'm sitting at home. I'm raising kids. I really wasn't... And all of a sudden...

Not only do you get paid and you get a chance at your biggest rival that keeps you up at night, but it's the next thing you stick in the shade. Yeah. I mean, you're on and out of steroids. I make a call. I'm back on. But you've got to have a reason to get back on. That stuff's not free. Are they drug testing at all or no drug testing at all? Well, here's the thing.

I need to make it. I need to make it. But here's the real thing. I would have never failed a drug test. They did a scumbag move on me called random testing that had never been done before. Pieces of shit. Those scumbags. What the hell? How dare they? The rules ahead of time. I wouldn't manipulate it. I didn't know them ahead of time. Thank you. That's the game, really. It's a whole thing. Yeah, so they could test.

They can test all they want. Yeah. They can't random test. They can't come in and set a flag rest. That's entrapment. Yeah, that's entrapment. That would be a real dirty move. Okay, okay. It doesn't really matter. The fact is, you're going to get to go in there, you're going to get to beat Anderson Silva for the third time. For the third time. How do you feel? Yeah, for the third time. Under any realistic rules. It is kind of bullying, dude. Do you feel bad about that? Well, I didn't know how to take it in this regard. He...

Every little piece of my career does tie to him, whether it was a live gate or merchandise sales. I'm just trying to think. Maybe a press conference that somebody would join, but it all would tie to him.

His career is not the same. He had a lot of other big matches. He had lots of title fights, pay-per-views. I don't remember. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that because I've always wondered, was I the special one? Was I special to him in his career? You were. Was I meaningful? Yes.

He's not boxing anybody else. You're in the documentary. That's right. And he asked me to do it. To watch it with him on the couch. Remember, you guys were watching the documentary. It was beautiful. And you faked those tears, those crocodile tears. I appreciate that you saw that. So you can sell this fight. That's all true. Dude, look at that. It's all coming together. All right, guys. Life tour.

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uh, for coming out to all the shows throughout the country, shit throughout the world. Appreciate you guys so much. I will see you guys out there. Peace. Connor is fighting or needs a win to prove that he deserves another fight. Like it's going to be really hard and he could sell it. And he can still, I mean, still be a top draw. Uh,

I don't know for how long without winning you could do that. But my point is, I mean, Conor really is fighting for a lot. Like, if you look at it in that perspective that quite possibly it's his last fight, quite possibly his career is on the line. The stakes are bigger than people think. Big fight novice, but if I'm thinking Conor macroscopically, it feels like he had his peak as a fighter, and then it really kind of...

leveled off, went downhill from there. Do you think he just wants to reestablish his legacy as a man? Even just one fight. I'm going to try to knock this guy out and you're going to remember what I was and then I can be out. I think to a degree, I don't know if he's thought it through that clearly, but I think to a degree, I think he's very sincere when he said he wants to go to the Middle East and box with Manny Pacquiao for whatever reason. But they even have a lawsuit. Conor's got an $8 million judgment against Manny and he's trying to collect them. There's actually a real story there. But

yeah, to a degree, I think he sees himself as a fighter, not as an actor, not as a club owner. Like I got all that, but now I remember now that I have it and I'm still not full. What I am at the end of the day is a fucking fighter. You'll see it with like comedy at Jerry Seinfeld goes and does the biggest sitcom ever. And he's like, no, but I'm a comic. So I don't care about this. I'm walking away at the peak of this thing. Cause I'm a comedian and I'm coming back to this. Can you explain the $8 million thing with Manny Pacquiao? I didn't hear about that. Yeah. So car,

Conor McGregor set up a sports company. I want to call it like McGregor Inc. McGregor Sports Entertainment. So one of the first guys they signed, Conor and his partner, Audie, who happens to be a great manager and a lawyer, they signed Manny Pacquiao. So Manny Pacquiao did the deal. They paid him an upfront to get him. Yeah.

And Pacquiao went and did a deal with somebody else, burned them, didn't do the match. And Pacquiao's actually known for that. I think it was Sports Illustrated, but there's a massive publication that said Manny Pacquiao has left roughly $50 million on the table for having multiple people speaking for him that don't talk. Who's the guy? So he's just burned so many sponsors. Who's his advisor? Some tall white guy. Really? Conch? He's a guy who kind of like operated in...

boxing circles for Michael Kahn. Okay. American guy? American guy. Oh, you said white guy. Okay, I don't know. I don't know. And Manny is a congressman or something over there. Do you know the guy? Was I supposed to say his name? No, not at all. Were you teaming me up there? No, I wasn't teaming you up at all. I just thought that you might know. Michael Konks. Michael Konks. K-O-N-C-Z. Yeah, apparently he...

This sometimes happens, I imagine, with fighters where you need someone who is your liaison to all the people that are trying to get things from you. And there are certain people who are very good at mingling and gaining people's trust. And then they gain people's trust. And then they became their sole representative in the world. And you don't even really know. So the question was, how much was he meddling? I think there was a contract disputes with Golden Boy at one time. So I wonder how much of that is the Michael dude. Yeah.

Well, and that's one of the things, like if you look at man, you go, what an unhonorable guy. How many times did you give your word and not honor? I'm just not positive. He knows. Yeah. He might not even know. Yeah. And I lived a little bit where you get multiple people, hey, can I manage you? Can I do this? Can I do that? And you want to help. And so you tell them, yes, if you do that, here's the thing. Yeah.

But then this other guy that thought he was your manager said, wait a minute, I'm getting the calls from the same people and you've given this guy the authority. And so what ends up happening is this person that finds out you have to just pulls out. And that was what the article on Pacquiao was talking about, that he had left, you know, roughly 50 million on the table just for sponsors like PepsiCo, for example, that looked at him. We're out. We don't know who to talk to. That's going to be a problem. And...

So I only suggest that. I'm not sure Manny is quite the disappointment for not being a man of his word. I do think there's possibly he's got some distractions and doesn't know. I think possibly. But Connor and Audie, God bless them, said, look, we'll work it out. You owe us money and we will draw. We have a way to pursue you. We will drop it.

We fight. Yeah, let's just do the fight. And then he might need a big win in the UFC to propel him to that superstardom again in the fight game to fight one of these boxing guys to make that $100 million. You talk about his superstardom. I don't know the exact stat, but I believe it's that Conor's not won a fight in five years. Whenever the Donald Cerrone fight was is the one that he's won, or possibly he's only won one fight in five years, which is now six.

You talk about that. You're on your way down. He's fighting Chandler for no reason. It's not about a ranking. It's not about a title. International Fight Weekend, which is historically Dana's biggest card of the year, is always capped off with a world title fight. Not this time. These two. It's got no contendership. Nobody really knows the weight class. We know it's not 155, and so the media's like said it's 170, but it's actually never been stated. It could be 168 or 169, and the reason I bring that up, if you don't have a weight class, you have no point for fighting. They have no point for fighting. Now, before you think I just put the fight down, they

already have the largest box office in the history of our industry. Not just the UFC. $23 million and it's not sold out. It's going to come in closer to $27 million. The UFC has never broken $20 million. Their highest gate at 17.2 is their first time at Madison Square Garden, which by the way, held by Conor McGregor. He's beating his own, all top 10 records, all top 10 pay-per-views are all McGregor.

And I figured he could still come in at number seven, number eight, beat himself. But his heydays, nope. He is at his height right now, at least at the box office. Wow. Ever. What is it? Ever. What's the formula? I don't know. What is the formula? Because this has never happened. Is it just the factor and there's some people that just have it? What about that movie, by the way? He goes and does that movie at Amazon Prime, but it was the most watched movie. Roadhouse or whatever. Yeah.

He's a star. Conor McGregor's a star. And that's a weird word. Like, what does that mean? That's what I'm trying to break down. Like, what does that mean? Like, what is the formula? What is the concoction made out of? Mike Kogan, without the formula for Conor, but Mike Kogan's definition. Mike Kogan is the Dana White of Bellator, by the way. Okay. But he said his definition of a star is somebody that regardless of opponent...

or what they're doing. They could box in this case, or they could go to MMA. People are going to stop and they're going to watch. And he said, there's only been a couple. He put Kimbo Slice in that category. Okay. And he had Kimbo in her contract. He said, man, that guy was a massive star. Uh, so he couldn't walk down the street with Kimbo Slice. Rest his soul. At any rate, and then you, you have McGregor and then you have, you have everybody else. But I, I really didn't know that Connor in this sport that is driven. I mean, Connor and Chandler have a couple of things in common. One, they haven't fought in a meaningful period of time. Two, they're not 170 pounders. Three, uh,

They both lost their last fight. As a matter of fact, I think they lost their last couple of fights. Like there is nothing that a main event or a top draw or a box office hit ever in history

has these ingredients that you talk about. This is a very unique thing. And Chandler, he might be my favorite fighter. I can't get enough of Michael Chandler. And now it turns out he's funny. And every fight is interesting. Yeah, and then now it turns out he's funny. He's prepared. He's popping in on WWE and he's holding his own with those guys. Chandler's great. I'm glad he's back. I wonder if an aspect of the stardom is...

is never knowing what they're going to say. So you're compelled to watch or listen because you truly cannot predict what's going to come out of their mouth. And then you couple that with concussive knockout power in your sport. And outside of that, you don't need the concussive knockout power. But Mike Tyson is another example of this. You never know what Mike is going to say. He always surprises you. Sometimes he's like,

I give all grace to God. I'm a Muslim now. You're like, wait, you were just eating kids? Like, what the fuck is, you know what I mean? It's every day there's a new thing and you have no clue what's going to happen. You watch his podcast and he's on mushrooms and he is, he's, you know, Bill Burr is saying jokes to him and he has no, he's like straight facing him. He has no clue what the fuck is going on. So I think there is this aspect of what is he going to say next?

And when you can also knock people out, why would I not just look at this dude? Anthony Edwards. Ant Edwards. Just says whatever the hell he wants. I think that's all superstars. I really think unpredictability. Like, Kanye is the same way. I think it's like a human nature thing. Like, the thing that you can't predict, you just keep your eye on. Yeah. But with basketball, if you can't really, like...

There's not excitement. Steph Curry pulling up from 40 feet out is exciting. Ant Duncan on your head is exciting. Knockouts in UFC. Oh, I think what Al was saying is in interviews. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. To your point of coupling it with something. You're right, 100%.

So you have to have an elite skill within the profession. I don't know if you even need the elite skill. It's an exciting skill. Home run, you don't have to be a good baseball player, but you have to be able to jack home runs. To get into the league, sure. But I think even just on a media level, with all due respect to Charleston White, you have no idea what he's going to do. He's so entertaining because there's something so mere about him. You just watch him. Who knows? He's going to pepper spray someone. He's going to fight someone. He's going to get canceled. I would say that his skill is also being funny.

Because he can say anything and be crazy, but he can also be funny and roast.

But yeah, it is interesting how that works. So it's that unpredictability. What the fuck are they going to say? I have no clue what they're going to say every single time they're in front of a camera. Close A skill, yeah. And that infuriates people when a guy and his skills or his entertainment can propel his career. It infuriates. But this isn't about who wins. It's about who can sell the most tickets. No kidding. They say they've just cracked the code. You get these young fighters. Come on, do interviews. Man, Dana doesn't even care about it.

He wants to know how many people are interested in seeing you fight. Like he just revealed something terrible about the organization. Oh, Dana's a businessman. What an asshole. Oh, Dana puts these on in events because he wants people to come. Oh, he wants them to come. Oh. Guys, show dates. First of all, thank y'all so much. We're selling it everywhere. It's fucking fantastic. And this June 21st and 22nd, I'm going to be at Good Nights Comedy Club in Raleigh. I expect every Indian in Morristown or wherever that place is to come through.

June 28th and 29th, Buffalo, New York. Then I'm off for a few weeks doing some private gigs, July 26th and 27th, Jacksonville. And Hawaii, get your tickets. I'm coming end of August, August 29th and August 30th. Honolulu, Hawaii, Blue No Comedy Club. Get your tickets for those shows and more at akashsingh.com. Now let's get back to the show. Are you vegan? No. Do I look it? No, I was at a place across the street and they have spaghetti squash.

Oh, yeah. And they say, you go in and you get the spaghetti squash. And I was like, what a dork. What a dork. He gets the spaghetti. I was giggling. I'm like, yeah, he does. Okay, this is why. I'm gay. No, no. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. Besides the gay part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Is that liable? Could you sue yourself for saying that? I could. That's very interesting. You know regular spaghetti is also vegan, right?

That's a great point. That's a great fucking point. Just eating vegetables doesn't make you vegan. Yeah. No, you got me. I'm trying to find out what that is. It's like, don't you think sometimes that you eat a hamburger in the sauce or something like that? No, I'm trying to stay off the bread, man. That's what it is. Oh, it's a carb issue. Yeah. Really? It's more gay, which is why I didn't want to say it. Be vegan. At least there's something justifiable. Yeah. Oh.

So they do a spaghetti squash pasta. They make like pasta spaghetti. So did you fucking order it?

Yes, you did. How would they tell you if you did it on her? I'm trying to do this diet thing, okay? I got this fight coming up. The testosterone put like 13 pounds on me in a week. You know how depressing that is, by the way? You know how depressing that is? Why? Working out, watching your weight, and gain 13 pounds in seven days. That sounds like my life, though. It's miserable. It literally will depress. You walk by the mirror. You don't want to look. Your belt doesn't fit. No, it's a whole thing, but...

It sucks if you just say jack, right? It's so hard. It's the opposite. I mean, practice is getting harder because you're gaining weight. Your condition is getting worse. He's bulking, and I think with the fat, you still gain muscle. You still gain fat with muscle, I think is what he's saying. But then the practice getting harder, you're saying your cardio is worse now? Yeah. It's just weight too. You know what I'm like, you're trying to bounce around and move around. It's harder. It's harder. Yeah, slowing me down. But I thought that

that your one recovery is way better and two, the time in which you can work out is longer. For sure. Okay. For sure. Your timing is off in terms of your speed and your cardio. Yes. But that is managed by the fact that you can work out twice as much to get it back to where it needs to be. I think it's worth it. Yes. I mean, like the pain that I would have without cardio

Manipulating testosterone. It would be crazy. Managing, oh my, yeah, really. I'm 47. Yeah. And I make fun of guys like that. I make fun of guys that go and try to do a kid's sport when they're, I tease guys like this. You know, and my wife is like, what are you doing? I don't really know how to answer that question, but there was one guy. I feel like I am very civilized and, you know,

I would find somebody rude if they challenged me and then that's it. What a jerk. Can I ask you a quick question? Find somebody rude. Except him. I feel like I can't. Find somebody rude. Yeah, I feel like that's a rude thing to do. But it wouldn't be like, all right, well, I'll see you outside. Except with him. How are things with your wife? She's so hot. Isn't she? Oh, my God.

Because you said that last time and out of respect I didn't look but you, you were. There was a moment in the last one and I was telling you how pretty she was. I was doing some bit and he and I got in a conversation and her name was saved in my phone as Brittany Hoddy and somewhere you saw it. She texted my phone and you said, oh, I have that same number, Brittany Hoddy. That was the funniest thing I thought

about that after and I don't even know that I laugh out loud it's like that was so that was so I cannot wait till I can do that to someone else and they'll think that I'm a comedic genius like the way I really I really like that joke yeah but she's good everything's good with wifey oh she's incredible is she upset about you fighting has that ever been an issue or she supports that oh my god are things good with her oh believe me every day

Have you seen this girl as a bomb rocket? She had a birthday not that long ago and we celebrated. It was like 11 o'clock at night. She's 32 years old. I ran into the bedroom. I said, you are 32. I can't believe I was married to this old woman. And she's like, don't remind me. I don't know why, but in my mind, she was still like 26 or something. Yeah. Hey,

Hey, my dad, I used to ask him, hey, how old are you? And he'd have to stop and think. I'm like, what an act. What an act that you have to, oh, I gotta stop and do the math and I graduated. But you do. You forget this birthday. I thought I was 48. It turned out I was 47. It was this great day. That's amazing.

He had the opposite. I remember. I aged two years in one day. What happened? I was 26 when I was 28. He was telling me he was 26. I was like, you're talking to me. I thought it was on the birthday. I thought it was like, oh, I'm 26. And then on the birthday where I was going to turn 27, I turned 28.

They were at the birthday party. They were saying happy birthday. What does it feel like to be 28? I was like, I'll tell you next year. How would I know? Yeah. Oh my God. And 28, of course, feels so young now. Yes. Okay, but she's great. Britney's great. She's wonderful. And she's upset you're fighting her now? No, no, she's going. She's going to go. You're going to let her go to the slums of...

South Paulo, Brazil. Taking my kids and everything. My son, eight years old, is cornering me. No way. Brittany's father will be the head corner man, but my son will carry the bucket and he's excited about it. Wait a minute. This is nuts to me. What if you really hurt Anderson?

Yeah. Like your kid is going to see that. You kill a guy. He wasn't alive when we fought the first time, but he's watched it a million times and his classmates have watched it and he's seen it on YouTube. It feels very new to him. He doesn't look at it and go, hey, what are you guys doing? This is weird. What are you guys doing?

He doesn't look at it like that. He's like, yeah, we've got Box Anderson. We've got to get ready for him. You've got to lead that hand. You've got a good uppercut. He dips right into it. I don't know if any of those things are true, but he's watched enough Rocky that he's saying those words. It's very fun. There will be a day that we will look back on that. If your kid loves what you do, that's got to be so awesome. Do you knock out Anderson Silva in your third fight?

I would not predict that. I am not going out there strategically to knock him out. We can't bet on this thing, right? It's not even really sanctioned. It is sanctioned. It's at some billionaire's house. They brought the commission in. Okay, so you can't bet on it. They got the commission. And the commission operates, at least in America, off of 6% of the gate. So when you're not doing a gate, I don't quite know how that works. But no, they did not want the word exhibition tied to this. It was important. Ooh, wow. Yeah, somewhere that, even for his own buddies, they just did not want that.

Anyway, we got to weigh in and we got the whole bit. But they didn't bring the drug commission in. They could test you there, but they have to test you there is my point. It's the random test that could get a guy in a jam. So it's the surprise test. Otherwise, if you know what you're doing, particularly if you're on pharmaceutical grades, you also have a pretty good idea when it's out of your system. The benefits will remain, but it's out of your system. Okay. Has Ryan Garcia...

Expose that it doesn't really matter if you don't make weight. It doesn't really matter if you're on the juice. If you put on an amazing performance...

and you muddy the waters with enough unbelievably entertaining buildup. It was amazing. I am so fascinated. This has never happened. The public has loosened on marijuana, for example. The public has loosened on street drugs, for example. They have not loosened on PDs. No, not at all. And particularly in combat where you can hurt somebody. Particularly in that. He is suffering and I feel nothing.

And one of the things that's unique is the commission, in fact, it was the New York commission, has not suspended him. Generally, every announcement that we get would come from the commission that says we have a negative assay. Here's his, and it's put right in the press release, the exact date, along

with the address and the room number of where his arbitration will be held. And until this is resolved, his license is hereby suspended. That has never happened. This was done by VADA. We found out from Devin Haney, who would have been a sore loser, that it happened. We didn't even believe it. It got confirmed by Ryan Garcia. I mean, it's never been done like this. And the public, when there was no suspension, they just seemed to not care. I don't even know if it was no suspension. It was

him leaning into everything and muddying the waters. Like there's never been clarity about what's happening in this fight. He comes overweight and he was like, I planted the whole time. Hell yeah, I'm overweight. And I'm hydrating back up to whatever. You're like, wait, is he overweight? Was this planned? Did he try to make, wait, what is it?

You didn't even know if he was going to show up on fight day. It was so genius the way that every bit of information about this fight that was in the promo was either true or false. And you had no clue. It was just entertaining. So now every piece of information about the fight afterwards, you're like, is it true or false? I don't care. Unpredictable. Unpredictable. And when you're unpredictable, you can't keep your eyes off him. Yeah.

I didn't know what to make of it either. He's never been a great troll. He's never been great at media. This is brand new. This is all new. Yeah, he tried to be a face. I remember watching the Tank Showtime series and I was like, it just seems phony. He's trying to be like this great guy praying at the... And then it just completely 180'd and it was way more captivating. And he's got nobody helping him.

Like he didn't get some Hollywood writer that he bumped into. That happened to me one time. I was at a Starbucks and I met a guy that introduced himself and said, I used to write for the WWE. I thought, can I? And he started helping me with some bits of material. I mean, it's like one of these things, Garcia doesn't have that. He went out in business completely for himself. He looked like a total fool. It all worked out. I mean, it is, it is so brilliant. I love what you said about muddying the waters. I also don't know what the reality is. And I think we get this like exhaustion when we don't know what is,

This is just with media in general. When we don't know what is true or false, we just kind of remove ourselves. Like that's the beauty of the fake news thing. Once you say fake news and it's confirmed, we're like, oh, so nothing's really real? I'm not going to read a whole fucking article if this is going to end up being fake. And then you just kind of create a little bit of separation from it. And now you don't care as much what is true or false. Did he use the Osterine or whatever? Did he not? What is Osterine even for? Yep. What is it for? Because maybe it's the type of— It's a chick steroid. Yeah. Yeah.

Basically. I mean, you, you know, well, the guys that test positive for, uh, there's another one, uh, an interesting, by the way, but the guys that test positive for that generally are taking a banned substance that was tainted with that. Like they weren't actually set out to take that. Uh,

I'll use John Jones just because it's a name that, you know, not to pick on John, but when he got hit on the ankle. Why would you do that? To defend him, you would have to go to a museum to find what they found in his system. Oh, really? There is no chance that he meant to take that. He did a lie detector test. It's like, yeah, for sure he could pass that. He did not mean to take that. Now, Victor Conte speculated on the Joe Rogan program that he was taking a banned substance, but it was tainted with that one.

Sorry, just real quick. Does tainted mean that he's taking a concoction that has a piece of it in it? And this is quite common. On accident, though. That's the tainted part. Okay, so when something comes from China, a lot of times they will reuse a used bottle. And so there's some that's in the... So they have a used bottle that once upon a time had...

uh, uh, ostrich in it, but it's, it's empty. There's nothing in there, but there actually is. Yeah, that's right. So they come in and they, they insert the whatever you're taking the whatever. And most of the good stuff actually comes from China like this. Some of the great growth hormones and whatnot. And, and, and by the way, I,

I kind of now want to disassociate John. Like he, he didn't do that. I was just using his name as an example where, where that's one of the big guesses. When you have some of those really weird ones, then you get guys that are innocent. Yoel Romero turned out was completely innocent, actually sued the, the company that sold them like his protein powder, whatever, that had a band substance that they didn't put on the label. He won $40 million. Wow.

Yeah, I mean, they did not pay. He bankrupted a company, though. Did they? Because he was so... Oh, no, they didn't pay. No, I couldn't even tell you the name of the company. They were gone. Does that do anything? Yes. Does it have any positive... Yes, it would. I mean, it would be bigger, stronger, faster, just like... Oh, so it is a stereotype. But also... It's just not a good one. The way that I was... This is better. The way that it was described to me was it basically gives you those positive effects...

But then with the old steroids, with those positive effects, the bigger, faster, stronger, you would also have these negative physical characteristics. Aspergillus, tits. Yeah, you'd get the tits, you'd get the gyno, you'd get the balls, whatever. So with Ostrin, my understanding was that it did something to offset the negative physical characteristics. And that's why I think it was safe for chicks to take it for competitions because they wouldn't grow shalongs or whatever. And hair and facials.

And a lot of times that they find the Ostrich, the drug collectors believe that, okay, we missed what you were really using, but you used this as a cover. We caught the cover, which means you must have been doing something else, even though we didn't find the something. Which, again, it's speculation, but Ostrich pops up a lot. Yeah, it pops up quite often. Okay, so is this the way, one, I mean, Ryan can sell any fight now.

And he's, I wonder what, what do you say? I mean, I think you only have one, one way to do this, what he did. Like if he does this again and he's crazy again in a year, I think we're going to be like, all right. Okay. I wonder if he has become fluent in media attention.

Yeah, if you do it twice, then it's like, oh. Yeah. In other words, this happens with comedy. It happens with learning a language. It happens with fighting, I'm sure. It's like you eventually learn enough that you have a fluency in it. You know when you turn it on whenever you want. You can turn it on.

Or when you twist it to another direction. Yeah, I know what you mean. And I wonder if he's like, oh, now I know how to promote fights. And it doesn't have to be done in this exact same way. Maybe he could be sad boy next time. Guys, I feel so sad. I don't want to kill myself. I don't even know if I'm going to make it there. And now we're just like, what the fuck is going on? What is he saying? Is he now fluent in media communication?

And can he sell any fucking fight? And that would go back to your point of being unpredictable. Once you have the audience, you have the audience. And the hardest thing is to get them. You gotta stop what they're doing. Okay, something's happening here. But once you have him and he does, I would imagine the Devin Haney rematch is the biggest fight, right? Isn't that likely? I don't care about that. Yeah. Really? No? I think Tank, I'd be kind of interested in. I want to see Tank with no, and he has to lean into the rehydration clause. He has to make Tank's victory all about the fact that he was drained. Sure. And,

And who am I to tell him what to do? Do whatever the fuck you want. But in your opinion. Yeah. Like because because you could create this little seed of doubt in the audience's mind. Oh, maybe it was the rehydration when he came in three pounds overweight against Haney dominated. Holy shit. What if that same thing could happen with Tank? And I think that's Tank's biggest money fight. Like if I'm Tank and I already beat this guy and you're telling me I can make five X by fighting him again, even at a heavier weight.

No brainer. I agree with that. Why was Tank not on an Olympic team? I mean, who kept him off? Or Ryan Garcia? Why were they... I think Ryan tried, right? And then he decided to go pro. Okay. Did he lose the box off or he just decided to go pro? I'm not sure. Okay. I'm not sure. But he had like a big amateur career. And then I wonder if Tank was just like scooped up by...

Mayweathers. And they were like, yo, why are you wasting your time? Why are you wasting like prime years when you're going to be fighting for real money? And that might be what I'm asking. Is that how boxers look at it? Do they not hold the Olympics as coveted as they used to? It used to be your best promotional tool. Floyd, Roy, Golden Boy, all of them. Sugar Ray Leonard. Sure. Right? Like these guys would go and then, yeah, Roy Jones getting robbed in Korea. Robbed.

The Korean apologized on the stand. Isn't that crazy? On the stand, he told them, I am sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think sports where you can make a lot of money here, we don't take the Olympics seriously. As serious. Because even in basketball. That's a great point. But if over there, you can't really make that much money going pro. An American hasn't won a boxing gold since 76. Yeah. Especially once you can cast into doubt that it's going to be legit. I'm going to beat this guy's ass and still maybe lose. Why am I putting my health on the line when I could just go make money? Yeah. Yeah. I mean...

What's it called? DeAndre... The Bronze Bomber. DeAndre... Oh, yeah. Wilder. Wilder. He won bronze. And he still put it in his name. Yeah. You're right. I was reading one weight class. You're right, actually. There were more Americans that have won it more recently. Yeah. Yeah.

Deontay Wilder, apparently. Yeah, Deontay, not Deontay. Very wild, but very, very like kind of a frightening looking guy. He's got that look, you know, kind of like a rough guy look. Apparently, I think it's called DMT, but it's something, it's something that's out there and it sends, it kind of reprograms your mind. He did that and is no longer. Shh.

The mean. No longer has. Oh, wow. Good. Everything that made him, yeah. He went and did a boxing match, in fact, and it was bad. Yeah, he fought Joseph Parker, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, looks like he's out of shape or maybe under motivated. But Joseph is also like a sharp guy. He's a good fighter. DMT is the opposite of whatever a steroid is. Yeah. It's the opposite of performance. But I love that for a fighter once they made their money. I love that you had $8.8 million, allegedly, in a fight, got out, you made your money, now you're doing this, you're healthy. I love that for Deontay. I...

I took enough brain punishment. Now I'm on the DG. But now he's going to fight you. Better path. They can't let it go. They fucking need it. Anymore, I lost. I thought maybe that one fight where he got his ass beat would be a wake-up call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I feel like they have to suspend Garcia. Because if they don't and they let him fight again, now every fighter...

and be like, yo, he did it. Well, you only suspend him if he actually did violate it. And if the New York State Athletic Commission hasn't said anything, did he violate it? That's where it gets interesting. And it was, he popped under VADA, the voluntary, voluntary anti-doping agency. So these two guys agreed to subject themselves to something that they didn't need to, but now, but they don't have any adjudication power.

None. All they can do is just say he popped. Yeah. But that's enough for other places. Like if USADA would hit you and you fought Nevada, Nevada would bring you in and suspend you under. I mean, like there was things that could happen, but it hasn't happened yet. And the week that this happened, I actually called the executive director, Kim Sumler. Very, very good director, by the way. She resigned.

No relation, but she was done. So then there wasn't even a new one in place to speak to the one day that I pursued it. I dropped it. I mean, this is my own story, but...

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Well, I didn't know that Usyk was that good, quite frankly. I mean, I really thought some of that was for show, but the way he went out there and represented his country, I had discussed and got a lot of heat for it. I had just discussed if these two guys, 30 days before the fight, these two guys go the distance, the judges are going to give it to Usyk on the mere fact that his country is at war. I'm in a lot of trouble. Tyson said it. The moment it is.

He watches Bad Guy Inc., man. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know if they were related, but he took a lot of heat for it. And it's like, well, you could be mad at him and it might be an insensitive statement. I think he's right. I really do. I think the judges are going to go...

No, I didn't. I think he's right in that. Had they gone to decision, it's likely to go against him. But no, I thought he lost. Yeah, I thought he lost. I'm concerned. I thought Tyson was the greatest heavyweight boxer in history. And I've really followed boxing. I've tried to do the math of who could potentially beat him. And when he was in his heyday, I don't know. After the Ngannou fight and this fight,

I don't know if we're witnessing him not taking it seriously anymore or just the end of a very long career at the toughest division. Sure. Because Usyk just outboxed him. Like usually Tyson with a much smaller guy can keep him at distance. He's bouncing around. He's hurting him when he needs to. He hurt Usyk maybe a couple of times, but Usyk was relentless and just outsmarted him in the ring. Like he was, he was, he was hitting him with these like straight lefts to the body.

And if you notice, it would open up that looping left upstairs. And that's what fucking dropped Fury. And like Fury saw it. He started to kind of like lock his right hand by the jaw. But the second he got lazy, he gets clipped. And I'm watching this and I'm like, oh my God. One, I see how legacies die.

Because if you just watch these last two fights, you'll go, oh, there was no way Tyson was the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. But if you saw him at his fucking heyday, you'd go, there's no human being on planet Earth that could ever beat this guy. So is this what we remember him by? That was a great analysis, by the way, and I totally co-sign that. I also think of him that same way. Like, okay, who's going to beat Tyson? Somebody that can knock him out. But when you see him sit up and get up, it's like, no, I'm not.

I don't believe that he Tyson and some of these big punchers, even George Foreman, who might be the hardest puncher could, could knock him out. It is different. By the way, we're speaking of the Olympics. Didn't Usyk win the gold in 16? Wasn't he an Olympic champ for his country? And I know Fury went down that path, didn't make the Olympic team, but when you talk about he, he's not as sharp or maybe he's not taking these quite as serious. I would agree that that could be part of it. However,

He is still hanging in there. 12 rounds, 36 minutes when you're getting beat up. Like he has the heart. He has unbelievable heart. Yeah, and to have that conditioning to be able to hold up, like you had to have done that in the gym and you can't. If you're not still there and you're not still motivated, you don't have the eye of the tiger, you can't put that time in the gym. Like the two just don't.

work out. And I don't know. I just feel like Fury didn't get credit for the Francis fight. I mean, he found himself in a competition way harder than he thought it was going to be. And that is where guys unfold. And he stood in there for 30 minutes and tried to figure out a way to win. He's unbelievably courageous and he's brave and he is tough. That guy's tough as fucking that. Was it a strategic failure or was it a skill disparity? I thought it was a...

It looked like age caught up a little. And you can mitigate age a little bit by really training and really strategizing. Mitigate it a little bit. But it felt like he was going out there doing what he's done for the last 30 years, probably boxing since he's six, but he was just a little slower.

And he was going up against a guy who's also his age, by the way, that just hadn't really slowed him. Les Miles for Ngannou? For, no, for Usyk. Yeah, I guess Ngannou too. But like, but yeah, it just felt like, yeah, it felt like, and keep in mind, like Usyk's been in there with guys and gotten hit. Like-

Usyk was fighting at what cruiserweight before so it's not like he was going against like slow plotting like he was going against guys with a fucking crack it's just kind of like a weird division but yeah it just felt like he had slowed down a little bit and in boxing you always see these guys this when they slow down a tiny bit

especially guys who are evading punches with great head movement. And Tyson's one of those guys. He's fucking 6'9", or whatever, but he can move his head. Second, it takes a little bit longer. Yeah, you die. Our whole life, we've been told about size advantage, but we've never really seen size be an advantage. We've seen it be a disadvantage. And so many times in the sport...

We see the guy move up. Muhammad Ali in his prime at heavy was 198 pounds. Mike Tyson in his prime was 220 pounds. Mike literally never had a longer arm. They talk about reach of it. Never had a longer arm or a pound on an opponent, just for example. But Roy Jones moved up, took on a guy named Ruiz. And even Roy's dad didn't want it to happen. I remember what he said. He said, it's a football versus a matchup. John Ruiz, I believe. Yep, I do not want my son to do this. I watched that. Roy beat him every which way. It was a good game.

And then Evander Holyfield was a smaller guy, and he moved up. And I'm only sharing with you, like, these cruiserweights really do learn how to fight and really do learn how to move. And I just felt like Usyk, he doesn't have the body for it. I completely misjudged him. I made fun of his voice. I mean, I just, there was a lot of things where I didn't really see it. And I go, man, that guy, what a fighter. What a fighter. He got cracked. Yes, it was a hard match. And he found a way. He got a big uppercut from, like, Fury caught him going in.

And because he fights in that like traditional like Russian style, you know, where they it's Soviets. I don't know what the fuck you would call it. But there's just this a lot of side to side head movement. But Fury tied him, caught him with the subcutaneous, like step back. And you can even hear him go, ooh, it's never great sound. But he was able to hold it in. And Fury didn't go after him after that.

I thought he didn't know that he hurt him or he was like tired and just maybe it'd be more methodical.

Yeah. He had him stunned. If he would have kept on him, he could have put the pressure on him. Yeah, I think he could have took him out. And he says he wants the rematch, by the way. They signed it up, I thought. Yeah. I mean, the fact that... They're going to do it again. Oh, they've already signed it. I saw a flyer. Okay. He had the rematch clause, but they have those all the time and they don't activate them. Why? In fight sports, I notice this a lot. There's always one ref that seems blind. Like, the way they score... Yeah, Josh, sorry. The way they score it is just so completely off. That's a good question. Why do you think that happens? Why?

Well, I do not know why that happens. I will tell you my bigger frustration is why when that happens, there is never a discussion. There is never a meeting. Like if a fighter does anything, we get licensed by the same body. The administrators, they get their licenses by the same body. We get called in. We got to get lawyers and we got to defend ourselves and we've got to explain. And the commission is generally pretty open to hearing you. The commission is generally pretty nice to fighters. But

They still make them go through the process. Why would you not bring a judge in and say, you know, every judge had this unanimous. You had it vastly different. Can we look at round three? For example, what is it that you saw? And if that judge has an answer, I think we could all learn something and we could also live with it. But the mere fact that they are never questioned, a fighter has to come in publicly, can have his whole career, but a judge...

When you're getting a license from the same person, I know I keep repeating that, but it's very relevant. The Attorney General wasn't giving everybody their license. It would seem as though you treated them the same. There's a fighter that came in and...

gave an absolutely horrible performance. Let's just say like awful. Couldn't keep their hands up. Looked like slow and blotting. I would imagine that at least the promotion would do an investigation on them and be like, Hey, are you okay? Sure. You weren't performing like usually performance. There's something wrong. Are you unhealthy? Did the weight drain affect you? There's not even any of that with the judges. Yeah. When you have the fighter that one saying I did not, well,

I mean, when that happens, I think you have a real problem on it. I'll give you a great example. Yeah, who's that? Well, what they were getting ready to do in Nevada, and it took no investigation. Floyd Mayweather versus Conor McGregor. Floyd, there was nine seconds left in the first round when he took a hand and moved it in a forward direction. Gave the round away. But then he kept giving rounds away, and he explained it later. I was feeling him out. I was tiring him out. I had a strategy, so therefore I gave the rounds away. Well, not according to the judges. According to the judges, you won them all.

All of them, Floyd. And those judges were getting ready to rob Conor. I watched that side-by-side with Teddy Atlas, one of the most respected ones. And Teddy had four rounds for McGregor when they were going into the 10th, which ended up being the final. And everybody did. Some people had five for McGregor. And I'm just saying, not the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I mean, they were getting ready to rob McGregor.

And because it ended correctly with a TKO and we never got there, we therefore never went back and looked at those. Yeah, but they're still turned in. Those sheets are still, there's still public information. Well,

And on Bob Bennett's watch, there was nothing to see here, folks. I can't believe more outrage because there's so many people betting on combat sports. There should be so much outrage. Afterwards, if you look at a tape, could you get an objective measure of what the scoring should have been? Or is it still too nebulous just based off the way fighting goes? Is there like an AI system? It's interesting. Like with baseball, for example,

Could be sometime, right? Miles and I were talking about this. Like umpires will get like awards and shit after like seasons or after specific games if they have a perfect scoring game. They never missed a pitch. Every single pitch that they called was exactly what it was. Strike, ball. And I wonder if you could do the same thing. So they do this with Olympic boxing where they've done two things. They've tried to take like the brutality out of the sport a little bit and made it more of like a point system. Yeah. And the problem is you get the same amount of points for hitting a guy hard and soft.

And we know in judging around, hitting a guy hard once is probably better than hitting them soft 15 times. Like if I crack you once, it damages. So it's a very hard thing to do with a point system. But once you add the point system in, it changes the way the fighters fight. There are a lot of guys who are like Olympic style fighters who are really good at that style. And then they go into the pros.

And they don't have these great careers. Interesting. David Cuban's a three-time gold medalist at heavyweight. He is amazing. And no, he might not even go into the pros because that style doesn't train. Just to your point. Yeah, a lot of the Cuban guys, they have this incredible... I mean, they're like some of the most beautiful boxers. Just the way that they move, it's incredible. But when they go in there with a tough...

in-your-face Mexican brawler who's not going to let them dance around and not going to care if he gets kicked with a couple of little paw jabs. What if you put a device in the gloves? I've talked about that. That's what they do, yeah. Do they do this? Well, so they've done it with some tech, but what they do is, what do they have? They have like five judges and they count punches. Yep. And if three of them agree that it's a punch, it's a punch. Or if three or more.

So that's how they count if it's... But if you actually had a machine in the gloves, then it'd be like, oh, this strike was this many... But what happens if that hits the glove? That was the problem. They presented it, and they're like, it's a foreign object. It's a foreign... Like, we want to go with you, but that's a foreign object. What do we do about this? If it hits the other person's glove. But then if the two chips meet, then it doesn't count. And then what happens if you have a malfunction? Do you have to rely on it? Is it just a back...

You might remember in Olympic gloves, part of it is white. That part must touch a certain part of the body, and if it does, it's a punch. And so, I mean, just to Andrew's point, damage in the pros is number one, but in the amateur, it does not matter how hard or if it's just a flick. If it touches you, it's supposed to get a point. Which can just confuse it, where sometimes that doesn't carry over. Sometimes it doesn't translate. Sports of a judge has kind of bugged me.

You watch gymnastics or something like that or figure skating. This is an awesome sport, but the fact that it's so subjective is bothersome. Most unfair thing in the world. A lot of sports are subjective. This calls in, this calls out. You see it leave someone's fingers. The clock is still running and it goes in the hoop. I think we watch sports for conquest.

and none more so than fighting. So if you're taking the ultimate conquest sport and then you're putting judges in it where it suddenly becomes a great area, I think that's the most infuriating thing. So objective and so subjective at the same time. Somebody steals a joke, does that make you mad? They steal your joke? Yes. Really? Why is that?

Why is that? All we have is our IP. And I mean, there's other things that make you a great comedian, but the foundation of everything is your brain coming up with that idea, writing that idea. We don't like the ghost writing type shit with like rappers. For me, it's like, how do you ever forgive that? Because to me, the foundational aspect of a comedian is his brain and his idea. If it's not yours...

That's unanimous. I've never heard anybody accept what you said. Now, I will say there are times where somebody might have an idea that you've had, but they didn't steal it. Yes, of course. That is not...

I mean, it's frustrating because you're like, damn, man, like I worked on this joke for so long and then this guy kind of has something similar to it. But when you know someone like saw you and then they're going to do the joke, that can be. And we've all gotten sensitive and overreacted to somebody having. And then you have to sit back and go, you know what? There's more than one person is going to have this idea.

What about you? You must get inspired by somebody. So then is your inspiration... What's the rule there? What is the rule there where it's an idea, but it's not the same words? I'm just wondering. Everybody can joke around about Trump. Somebody saying something about Trump doesn't mean it's their thing. You can do a Trump impression, and there can be someone else who does a Trump impression. That doesn't mean there's stealing. But I think it's different if you're talking about a specific thing about your life.

sure yeah and jokes have also pieces you use like set up punchline tags and then multiple set of punchline tags will make a chunk and if someone has a different you know setup but maybe a similar kind of punchline you're like all right it might be a different joke or if it's a similar setup and different punchlines you're like all right it's a different joke yeah so you can hear someone do a setup and be like oh i might go someplace different with this and marriage is hard

A million different ways to deal with it. What is this? Yeah. That's a theme though. I was just like a straight inspiration. Like in fighting, I've never created a move. I've stolen them all from somebody else. Sorry to interrupt. I thought it was honorable. As an analyst, you have very unique takes. Your takes make you great at this. Now, if you suddenly saw somebody absolutely believe it and yeah, if you saw somebody suddenly using your takes and getting notoriety,

you'd be driven fucking crazy. Like these are my, that's what makes me great at this. What if someone's out there calling himself the bad guy? Yeah. The bad man, Inc. I hear you on that. Every week, the same take you had just a couple hours later. Well, that's the great part. I never thought about that. All this fighter feet of carrot to a minivan or whatever. You know what I mean? The internet's going crazy. And maybe he's not as handsome or not as strong, but you know, people still watch him. Maybe wife's not as hot.

But what if that happened and then I go, hey, wait a minute, that's my son. I go look at the guy and he's got like a homage paid to me on his Twitter. Hey, this is my favorite fighter and therefore I'm copying his ideas. That does change things a bit. Okay. And what if he got this idea and you're like, hey man, it's basically what you said and I loved it. I've changed it just a little bit. What if you call the guy?

That's it. There's ways to do it that are like, we talk it out. There's honorable. A girl DM me recently and I have to watch the bit, but she was like, hey, I put this bit up. You have a similar joke in your special. Do you want me to take out the line? There's one line that's exactly like your whatever. I have to watch the bit. But it's like, oh, I respect off rip that she hit me up. And out of that respect, I might say, just leave it up, dude. I appreciate you reaching out. I have to watch the thing. It's a girl. Yeah. Yeah.

I used an on these joke one time. Yes. But to pay a respect to, I love, God, he was so funny. I watched all of his stuff. He was with this girl and the girl's like, oh man, I love those thoughts. It's like we teleported to something and he's like, and by the way, teleportation doesn't exist yet. You must be kind of stupid. I mean, real simple joke, but I loved, oh my God, that is so funny. You know, it was just as great. Then it's something to do with bed sheets and something else. But, but I did that with the tell a portation and,

It did get to him and he did respond to it and he did not like that. He did not take it as a nice thing, but he also, I also didn't have an ability to tell him. I didn't have an ability to go, no, wait a minute. I ripped that off. I admit I ripped that off, but I was trying to pay respect for you. Like you were kind of up and coming. I watch all of your stuff. It's a great bit. Did you say it while you were saying the joke?

I did the joke. I took, I mean, it's a little bit different words, but I used the, teleportation hasn't been invented yet. You must be kind of stupid. I used the punchline and I never paid it off. Hey, by the way, that's Aziz. But he wasn't really known yet. I had discovered it. So then when I had to meet the opportunity, I thought, what a great way to make

friends with the guy. That's what I thought. You were helping. If you caught Aziz, massive Aziz, friends with Kanye, friends with Jay-Z, he might not care as much. But when it's like, dog, I'm trying to make it in this business. I don't, I have nothing right now. And you're getting notoriety for this thing that's mine. And people are going to think it's yours if I do it quite possibly. And you're going to pay $12 million for a fight. It's a whole different thing. That would change things. Yes. So it's all, you know, you got to look at the actual situation. Who do you think takes your stuff when it comes to analysis of the fight game? Well, I mean,

Who's influenced by you? Who do you hate? Poor your baby. Let's start some beef. I've always taken it as a compliment. Who's the worst at the fight game? What do you think? In terms of an analysis? Yeah, yeah. Who's just the worst? Oh, my goodness. The worst. I mean, I hear some very bad reviews out there. And if I was to be real fair on who the worst was...

It's a drunk guy. He gets drunk during the show. He's got gray hair. He's in boxing. And he just simply should not be there. I want to call him Harold Letterman, but I don't know if that's right. I don't want to do that to Harold. Sure, Harold. Whoever this guy was, he was interviewing Floyd one day and said, if I were 30 years younger, I'd be like, do you remember that guy? No, that's not Harold. Is that Jim Lampley? No, no, no, no. It was... Oh, God, fuck. Dana White was just talking about this. I can't believe I'm forgetting this. Oh.

God, God, God, God, God. Jim got drunk into some beat a woman thing and he was innocent and he kept his mouth. I don't know Jim Lampley, but I'm going to tell you this one thing about people that know him. See, he is such an honorable guy. It was like an ex-wife did something to him. Turned out to be totally untrue and be cutting the kids or what? And he to this day took it on the chin and it was not true. Wow.

They kicked him off of HBO. I remember that coming out. And he took it. He's still never told anybody. When I just told this the first time, that'll come public. He's never defended himself and neither has anybody else. So what is he doing now? He's been boxing. Larry Merchant. Larry Merchant. Thank you. Harold Letterman did it.

Harold Letterman's a fun guy. Actually, he comes in and gives the scores between rounds. I've got it six rounds to four. Larry Merchant simply doesn't know what he's talking about. Who? Larry Merchant. He's 93. But he does have a presence. You're beefing with a 93-year-old. Did you see? You didn't like what he said to Floyd. I didn't like that he did that to Floyd, no. If I was 30 years younger, I would have whooped your ass. No, you wouldn't have.

Jim Gray made like his comeuppance by, by asking athletes hard questions in the moment, Pete Rose and some other things that come to mind. And I have a real problem with that. There was a trust. They had an absolute trust that,

and agree to the interview and everything's cool in the gang, you know, all the, hey man, it's so good to see you. The camera goes on, he pulls the double cross to put himself over. Yeah. And I have a problem with that. If you light up the interview, go ahead. If you're working for ESPN and they light up the interview, they use their content, so you're now not getting burned. You're not burning your Rolodex. Yeah. You're burning them to put yourself, I just, I thought it was underhanded. I really did. Yeah, Jim Gray always seemed annoying.

That is an interesting take. He did that to Pete Rose. Pete agrees to this interview and then he turns it right into the gambling. Why couldn't you just say this, Pete? Why couldn't you just say you did it and you're sorry?

But it was to put him... Pete's kind of caught off guard, like whether he had an answer to that or not. That wasn't what this interview was about. They were supposed to discuss baseball. I'm just saying that has always bothered me that Jim has done and then taken a pride in it. It's a strange thing. I think I've heard not great things about Jim as well, just like behind the camera. Yeah. I'm fairly certain. I mean, it's a cutthroat business. He's done some stuff, but it is a... But that is an interesting thing. It is a tough business. This person has trained eight weeks...

For this fight, minimum, maybe 10 weeks. Maybe they've trained their entire life for this title match. They win. Brain damage, probably. Yeah, brain damage. They win, and then they're in their moment of peak celebration. And then he asks you this question that's like this hard-hitting, almost gotcha. Yep.

Yeah, I can see that as being kind of fucked up. It is. I really think it is in that moment. And then intent matters too. And I could be reading Jim wrong, but it sure appears to me that he's asking those questions. He's got them back. And they are designed to make him look like the tough question, the challenging, this and that. There's a cool moment in the Dana Lex Friedman podcast where he brings up that exact Larry Merchant moment. And he's like, I make sure the UFC commentators will never do any shit like that ever.

Ever. Dana has even taken heat. I think it's leadership when he does it, quite frankly. But he won't tell guys what they can't say at a press conference. If you want to look bad, but I'm not going to tell you what to say. That's awesome. Yeah, but that's because if he tells them what not to say, he's telling them what to say, and now you have a scripted promo.

Now you're in the WWE. It's the same thing. And I mean, it really is a bit of a leap by me, but I think you can see in that direction. By telling people what not to say, you are telling them what to say. And he's just not touching that. And that is not a political thing like people try to make it. It's not a mean thing or even a fight promotion thing. It's authentic. This is what it is. Don't bring that crap in here. Don't bring your ideas and your anything. Their reward system, like the UFC reward system is quite brilliant.

They give financial rewards to the type of fights that they like. Yes. That doesn't really exist in boxing as far as I'm concerned. It's just get the win by any means necessary. But the UFC is like, even if you lose exciting, you're going to be back and you're going to get a fight of the night bonus for losing exciting. Right. So we reward you for winning inside fashion. And then also the people that they end up giving fights to and continue promoting are

lead themselves in a certain way so the other fighters don't need you to tell them what to do just watch look at the people you admire look how they dress look how they talk look at the promos they're cutting what are they doing on their own social media who are they meeting up with what podcasts are they going on it's it's so interesting when when what you don't really need to tell people to behave in any way just reward the behavior that you like yeah yeah yeah that's really clever yeah

That's exactly right. Do you want to know a ticket? I'm switching now to politics, but do you want to know a ticket that I think would be hard to beat? Talk to me. Trump, Dana White. Whoa. Yeah, I think as they go out and do media, I've never seen anybody where they've tried to get you in gotcha moments and there's nothing like Dana White. Who's president? Who's VP? Well, that's a surprise. Trump would be one and Dana would, and that would be, little Dana would be. He might be willing to be.

to be their homies. Well, there's about two people in the world that he would admit that he, and Trump just happens to be one of them. Who's the other one? The other one is Frank Fertitta who died. Ah. Senior. He also likes Frank, the son, but Dana would have done what Frank Senior told him to do and I think that he would show a lot of respect to Donald Trump. Yeah. Oh,

I'm trying to think. What about that ticket? Dana also sees he and Trump as really good friends. I believe Trump sees Dana more as like a son

Trump was very proud of Dana. That's not a word you could use very often. He was actually proud of Dana for standing his ground, for coming up, for making this company, for coming, and would stay in touch with him. He would write Dana a letter here. Really? Yeah, Dana made the front page of an article, and Trump took this way back when he was just a builder here in New York. Gave him a fight at UFC before UFC was big, and they couldn't really get sanctions fights anywhere. Yeah, at the Taj Mahal.

Decades, 15, 15, 20 years ago, whatever. All six hours. And the Trump kids do that same damn thing. I don't know what that is. I don't know if that's political or what, but when they go to an event, you know, everybody comes in right at the last minute, particularly the famous people. The Trumps, and this includes the kids, come for the first fight and they do not leave. That's classy. Six and a half hours. And they do it all the time. I would absolutely come to the main event. Donald Trump came to the NCAA wrestling last year. I don't know what level of fan. And he came to the whole guy.

damn thing. Wow. That's a long day. And he did not even look like he wanted to leave. It was just a nice thing to do, quite frankly. He got no press for that. Nobody even knew that he went there. The wrestlers knew, but...

And I don't know what that is. I don't know if that's just a politeness or a fan. I'm just sharing that he does it when he comes to football games. He does not leave. He stays until there's some etiquette. That's something UFC really locked in, which is if you go to boxing matches, and I'm a boxing guy. I come from a boxing background. But if you go to a boxing match, that place is empty until the headlining fight. Mm-hmm.

UFC, you will go there. I try to get to every UFC event that I go to for the entire main event, which is what, maybe like six cards sometimes, six fights. How many is the... The main card is five. Five, five. And then maybe three or four of the prelims. That's what I'm trying to get there. That place is packed when I walk in every single time. Packed. Yeah, it's crazy. Packed.

And I think it goes to unpredictability. Sure. It's the same thing we're talking about with the star power. Any UFC fight,

Could go any different way. And even if I don't know the guy's fucking names, it could go any way. You know on those prelims in a boxing card that there's a tomato can versus a rising star. Every single one of them is supposed to go one way. And it's going to be an absolute dominant performance. So why do I even need to watch this shit? I don't need to see a guy that I don't even know dominate some tomato can. Yeah. Sure. Also, boxing, only two things can happen. Three things. It's either a knockout. It's either a TKO. It's either a decision. Or it's like...

I don't like that. That's basically it. Right. Yeah. Whereas like with, I don't know, like UFC or MMA or anything else, like you can have so many different ways that it could end. Yeah. Do you feel safer boxing?

Well, it's very... Kind of interesting, right? Yeah. The gloves are bigger in some degree. On the other side, you're only allowed to bludgeon. There's nothing else that will happen. So even if maybe they're not as hard, or at least in theory, there'd be more padding, there's sure going to be a lot more of them. That's the only thing that there's going to be. Yeah.

Yes, was the answer to your question. You do, right? Like, I do even in practice. But as I break it down in my head, it's like, I think I should have a little bit more of a fear. You should, but you're not going to get elbowed in your fucking head and cut your thing open. Right. Or if you go down, he's not jumping on top of you. You know, you give me just a second to, you know, configure. What is the most painful thing you've ever felt in your fight career? Oh, man. I had a real... And it's still out to this day. I had a rib that came out. And...

One of the more painful, it hurt very bad, but being at the doctor's, I remember the doctor said, there's no way to reset it. There's no cast we can put it in. And he said, it's going to continue to hurt until your nerve endings rub on each other and die.

And I did like that statement is what hurt. Like I was in the doctor. Fuck me. Yeah. Crazy. And you can't breathe when the rib is out. And a guy landed on me. I was in, I was wrestling for the Pac-10 championship against a guy named Rusty Cook. And we went to the mat when we went down, it went out and right at the beginning of the match, I got him on his back. If I, if I could have pinned him, like,

You know, it wouldn't matter, but I didn't pin him. He, Rusty Cook, was tougher than hell. I wonder sometimes what he is doing these days. But at any rate, that hurt really bad. Yeah, the rib hurt really bad. And then a broken nose hurts really bad. Again, so...

Broke my nose in practice. Seth Roy, my teammate, threw a punch and his elbow came through. Boy, when they reset it, by the way, it hasn't gotten any better than when our grandparents did this. They put two rods up your nose and they start, yeah, just like the chopsticks, but they're metal. And they start twisting them. Oh, my goodness. That hurt.

When they reset and, oh, they shove the, oh, golly. This is a question I just had based on something you said. The part that's hardest for me to watch with UFC is when the guy is out and what you brought up, the guy gets on top of him and you have to knock out a guy that's...

Already unconscious, most likely to win. Is there any chance you think there's like a count that UFC goes to where it's like you got five seconds or six seconds or whatever? Maybe not ten. Seven seconds if you're down on the ground to get up or whatever. Because that seems... Yes. Well, they sure could if there was like any kind of a safety. I fully agree with you. And those referees are so good. So fat. Yeah, sure. There's no way you can jump in there. I mean, I was so happy that Izzy beat Pereira, but...

That punch when he's on the ground, unnecessary. Sure. The knockout, I was thrilled. This was just like, in general. Dan Henderson, if they're not clearly out, they can be taking guard and then you don't really know. The Dan Henderson bisping one, is that the one he said? Yeah. Oof. And yeah, Dan came down and clobbered him. You have to do it to win. It was fair and square, right. You have to do it to win. I mean, the ref hadn't stepped in. I think there's... I've seen guys pull back. Yeah. I've seen guys pull back. For sure. And I've also seen guys pull back...

and then by the way, not get the finish to your point. And I go, Oh no. What's, uh, there was a fight recently. 300. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Turner thought he dropped him and it was going to be game over. It doesn't game over him. Moikano ends up winning the fight. If there's a count or something that's in place where it's like, this is the rule. And I,

This is going to piss off a lot of UFC fans. I admit I'm a big pussy. I just don't like seeing that because you're watching most likely extra brain damage for no reason. That is a great point by you. I think that's very fair. Yeah, it's just rare. I would say that's so rare. And also when you're in the heat of the moment, like a lot of times this happens. I know you're probably talking about a standing knockout into a drop.

Yeah, I mean, Stoutbender and Pereira is the fight that's coming to my mind. Pereira's out, and Izzy has to to win. I remember Joe Rogan called it a hammer fist from the gods. But like, this guy's unconscious, and you have to...

If you're wondering for a real answer, the only way they would change something if there was some data from a medical perspective, and it's actually been the opposite on that. Now, they are comparing themselves to boxing, which is the most dangerous. Oh, yeah, the micro-concussions. That's right. Like offensive linemen in the NFL. Yes, and they've actually proven that bringing those guys up and sending them back

out there as opposed to letting that finish and it comes to a conclusion so i'm gonna guess not but i mean you make a fair point if it became a habit they would do something what happens in boxing right is you get that huge shot that makes you it concusses you right and then they stand you back up if you can and then you get another huge shot not even 100 another big one yeah

you know, and then you're concussed again, whereas with UFC, you're going to get hit again while you're on the ground. But ideally it's not like that. Henderson, Bisping. Yeah. Some of those were fucking, do you remember like ever crushing somebody's, uh, nose or like bones when you were hitting them? Does that go through your brain when you're fighting at all? No, not, not in fighting where I felt it. I did one time, again, go back to a wrestling match. Uh,

it was my own nose. I did the technique. It's called a belly back. I did the move. It was my offense, but his body came down and it's a very unique sensation. It's gross. It's really gross. Like anybody that tells you that they liked it or they enjoyed it or it's weird. I took his soul and I was like, I'm like, I'll see him do it. I go, okay, now that's an interview, right? You're not actually a psychopath. Like I wonder that sometimes about fighters. I enjoyed it. I loved everything. Man,

And Leland won the soccer kick and his wife happened to console him. He is such a gritty competitor, though. Like, the harder the match, the better for him. Like, in the back, he was getting excited. Hey there, noodle dick. I'm talking to you. And me.

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uh, matchups. Four on four. Boys against girls. Guys in a car. Yes. Jiu-Jitsu in a car is crazy. Wait, that's a real thing? Car jiu-jitsu. Yes. It's like a fight. I don't know why they call it jiu-jitsu. I mean, they're fighting. And then the one that's crazy is there was a dude that fought two chicks. Yep. And he's just this fat, pot-bellied... Look at this guy. Hold on, let me pull this up. This is wild. This is...

In Romania with their version of the UFC. I don't even want to say UFC because I don't know if they want to say it. Yeah, MMA. Their version of MMA. Yeah, their version of MMA. And this guy takes on two girls. I don't know anything about who these people are.

Now, you're first. I'm going to tell you what you're thinking right now. You're thinking over there, is this wrestling? Is this stage? And we have all asked ourselves this, and we have all watched it repeatedly. No. No, it's not. No, this is crazy. He goes up, under. Oh, yeah, no, he is trying to hurt. How do you get a guy to agree to do that?

I mean, what kind of a man would go in there and do that? I think it's easier to convince him. Yeah, I think there's a lot of guys. I think convincing the girls is the hard part. Yeah, I would imagine they're right. You know, you give them the head here and the whatnot, but I mean, what guy wants to go? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, he wanted more. Look at him. It would seem like you're preying upon somebody that's, you know, maybe not in a full capacity, which is a pretty slimy move.

So that's the question. Event promoter to do. Is this inevitable? Is this like an indication of the end of an empire? Like what's happening here? It's the opposite. They used to do stuff like this. And then commissions stepped in. And it was small. You couldn't get on TV with things like that. But it was small shows would do that. Or a man against woman fight. Yeah.

And then commissions kind of balled. I mean, it was one of the absolute first things. They stopped. There would be no such thing as a two-on-one. You wouldn't even ask a commission. It wouldn't be gender-based. But there would also not be, you know, man versus woman or heavyweight. That guy was clearly heavyweight versus, you know, some 35-pounders. I'm just sharing that. No, I don't think this is the direction we're going. It's very funny how history repeats itself. I mean, this is where we started and came out of that, at least in civilized times.

There's a... Oh, yeah. Here's the card. It's a thing. It's crazy. Okay. So this is what I assume it is. That's just roughhousing with your friend. Yeah. Is that how you do it? Give me my phone back. Come on. I think this is what happens when... That's crazy. When... Like, for example, comedy is huge right now. So there's all these different...

There's versions of comedy that are like comedy adjacent that can pop up and they can be popular to a certain extent as well. And fighting, I think is huge right now. So these are other people trying to, you know, drift off of fight. That's what I assume. Not drift, drift. Drift. Yeah. So it's like,

If you can't be better, be different, right? Exactly. But because there is a lust to see fight sports right now, it's like, okay, well, what can we do that's kind of like that? If fighting was way less popular, the UFC is not as big as it is, Bellator, PFO, all these different things aren't out there, I don't think you're seeing these iterations. You're still trying to make kickboxing a thing. You're still trying to make Muay Thai a thing. Mm-hmm.

But the fact that it's so massive. Yeah. I mean, like, even kickboxers are making money now. Yeah. Kickboxers weren't making money. It's true. Like, these Muay Thai guys, they weren't making money. Sure. Andrew Tate, we talked about that, you know, three grand was his, I think his biggest payday. Isn't that crazy? He was champion four times. I deserve.

I just wonder if the human brain gets so used to stimulus that you just need another version. And someone will bring up kind of like a morally justifiable version of this, whether it's not men versus women specifically, but like, yeah, if it's like, yeah, these two women want to fight in America and you can listen to them and they're like, I want to beat this guy up. And, and it's somewhat of a level matchup where it's like, you know, a flyweight dude and two women. We did it with the guy. Uh, the, the, the wrestler's name was China. China fought, uh,

The pro wrestler China. Yeah, the female. Okay. She fought the husband of the lady that was like shot in Long Island or something. Yes, she did. Joey Bonifuco. Holy shit. Oh my God. Great recall. Yes. She fought Joey Bonifuco? I'm almost positive. Didn't he get shot in the head or something like that? No. The mistress shot the wife in the head. And Joey knew nothing about it. He actually stayed with the wife. He didn't know who the mistress was.

I mean, that was his store. He didn't even know who she was. Joey had owned an auto body shop and he had a shirt made for his auto body, a Bonifuco body shop. But the wife had like made it, she only made one or two. It was like, you know, let's start. And the mistress had the shirt. So Joey didn't even know her. I mean, he went that far. I was like, oh my God, I've known her, but this didn't happen. He didn't even know her. And the wife's like, she stood by him and she didn't turn him in. But the wife's like, she has that shirt. She goes, I only have one.

of those men. That's actually from a miniseries movie. So I

I added that from the movie, but they said that that actually happened. Wow. All right, so this is Buttafuqua, but that's not China, is it? Yeah. Andrew, is that China? Yeah, I remember China being way bigger. I didn't even know this happened. Yeah. Look at him. Yo, that's how much steroids has improved. Have we confirmed that's Joni Lauer? China used to be huge in my head, but if that's how she's named it. I think she was huge compared to girls. Yeah, Joni Buttafuqua. I don't know. And why did they agree to it?

Like who wanted to see it?

That is her, brother. I mean, this was during the celebrity boxing thing. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, this was a celebrity boxing match? Yeah. Okay. So celebrity boxing kind of popped off. It wasn't commissioned by the Nevada State. I don't know. Because she was, she was real dim, not a boxer. No, celeb boxing popped for a second, but it didn't have like the influencer draw. Yeah. And the influencer draw is interesting because you know exactly how many people more or less care about the individuals. They had to guess. They're like, will people care about Chyna and Joey Buttafuoco? And,

And they did for this one, but other ones I don't think. I can't. We're 10 years later. Yeah. 20 years later. Yeah, it's crazy. What year is this from, Mark? Uh,

2003. Oh, so she was already big at this point. She had done the WWE thing, yeah. She had a book. Okay, what celebrity are you getting? Trips used to tag that. Trips was into a girl that looked like a boy. Triple H is his name. Oh, yeah, Triple H. Yeah, they were together. They were engaged, and Stephanie Yancey Farris became the other woman.

Yeah. Farran Square. Well, it's Farran Square. So, you know, when Trips goes and does it with Stephanie. I've never heard of Mistress taking a man being described as Farran Square. Stephanie doesn't like get to become, you know, she did that to somebody else and then she's upset that. The possession's nine-tenths of the law. That's right. You know, not for nothing. Did he cheat on her as well? Many times. He's fishing off the company pier. I mean, it's what they do over there.

What do you think what happened to Vince? I went on the Jim Rome show. And this was over a year ago. Vince just got hit. It was like six months ago. I'm making up a number. But it kind of feels like about six months ago. And I told Jim Rome, and it was the middle of a smack-off where he talked trash anyway. But I said, I never met Vince, and I know 11 people that he slept with, eight of them women, all consenting adults, which is the implication. But that's true. That wasn't the joke. And Jim wouldn't run it. It was too hot. He said, man, we can't do it.

it. Like, oh, Jim, I wasn't joking. I was talking trash, but I wasn't joking. And anyway, I mean, when Vince got Me Too out of the business, I did think it was a surprise, but

As good as he is, I would not completely count that he couldn't come back. When the men start coming out, it will be a different story. Wait, wait, he used to bang dudes a lot? Oh, yeah. But he would hold their careers over them, just like he would the women. It was the same thing. You get paid more, you get pushed more. This is not a secret in the industry. Like, I'm not talking trash right now. Not at all am I talking trash.

This was very well known. Sure. But I mean, Shawn Michaels, like guys that you would know. There was things that had to be done. Well, or whatever it is that they... But yes, they had their... They had their relationship. Because you're wondering if I'm like, he looks like he's doing a bit. Long hair. What about ravishing Rick Rude or whatever? I don't remember him. Razor Ramon. If you had a bandwagon wrestling, who would it be? He was...

Are you saying like if you had that perhaps Michaels was the right choice? If you're Vince, who are you choosing? Okay. Well, wow. That's always a hard one. Or boxing, MMA, whatever, you know, community. I'm trying to think of anth... without sounding gay, but it's almost impossible. I don't want to do that. Yeah, I'm trying to think of how...

To do that, I mean... Go like Rey Mysterio so you don't have to see his face. See? Now that's a stud answer right there. I was trying to process something. But then that's one of the things. There is a lot of homosexuals that Vince came across, but there was also straight guys that just wanted to push in the business where it turned into prostitution. That was very well known. And not just Vince. Pat Patterson and some other executives. And the world was different.

Like even Harvey Weinstein talked about that on Howard Stern. Like, hey, it's a different world. I liked it more when it was back then. What I'm saying is, I'm trying to illustrate that that is not a secret. Harvey Weinstein said that. Yeah, Harvey said that. Oh, okay. Harvey even said that. He's like, well, you know, it was a better way like that back then, back when we could give him a job. He openly spoke about it. Yeah.

So Vince was clapping dude cheeks and girl cheeks. For pushes, though. That also didn't used to be illegal. But now, yes, if somebody's career dangles on that, and he would tell, I mean, everybody would know. This girl turned me down, she's pulled off TV.

So then he goes to the next one. But it is the different thing where I think it's just power. Like, I want to lord this power over you. I'm going to make you do things you don't want to do. As a dude especially, he probably got off more on that just off of the power he felt. No, I get it. But none of that is out. People speculate that's psychology. There's things that you can't buy when you're a billionaire. So then you start seeing how far can I go with things that I can buy. And that sociopathy often pushes people who are also talented to the top.

but uh it it's just say allegedly around all that yeah allegedly yeah i talked to some people in wrestling and they were like those texts are we all 100 believe it's real because i was like what eight-year-old text i mean what a grown man texts like that it's an eight-year-old texting with a u for why like instead of while you capitalizations off he's like the big everybody knows it's real because that's exactly how sure sure and yeah it really wasn't uh uh

Yeah. I mean, that was internal. That was his own kids. They knew that that was happening. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not a secret. Like, the woman in the office is doing the least, and we all park in the same lot, and she's the one that pulls in the nicest car. Like, there was ones before her. I mean, that's so crazy. But they got old, and they lost it, and now she's the one. And then, you know, she got a little bit older, and so he started bringing in other ones, and so then she started to run out of money. Like, this wasn't...

this wasn't something that was uh uncommon over there vince spoke about this he had told razor ramon uh rest his soul uh that's another good one in my first homosexual experience and he went from there razor said he i didn't know that's how he revealed it to me vince has spoke about this a number of times and people have always thought that he was joking yeah he was he was never trying to joke yeah he was just telling he was just telling the story wait what is it uh

Okay, so basically he says this is Vince speaking. He goes, let me tell you about my first home looks a homosexual experience I remember sitting me and Kevin were both sitting in Vince's office at TV I looked at Kevin my first thought was as opposed to your most recent one like you and warrior on the bearskin rug He was talking about when he was living in North Carolina He was hitchhiking one time and I don't know anything about Vince's past But I'm thinking hitchhiking from where the pool to the country club like what he said some guy picked him up It was like rubbing his hand on his leg. I'm thinking okay

okay, now you told me. What does this have to do with wrestling? But I remember being really resistant to it. This wasn't the way we were doing business. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it's a well-known story. And I only say that Vince is so good and he's so clever. I mean, he got in really big trouble. I threw him out of the company. He found a way back in. Yeah, how did he? Grew a mustache, not completely unlike yours, but then there was a new guy. But anyway, he was a new guy. Might be something out there. He changed his name. You know, now he's Uncle Vinny. I can't remember what he said, but he changed his name. And then he would even talk about that guy a year ago, that Vince McMahon. Yeah, what a scumbag.

He is gone now. I am here. Is he the greatest of all time? Character builder. Vince is the greatest heel that wrestling's ever seen. Okay, and explain to me why he's, outside of all the fucked up shit he is alleged to have done, explain to me just why at his job he's the greatest heel.

and why do people look at him and revere him so much in terms of building? He just understood a psychology. I mean, he could create so much heat. He versus Hogan was like the biggest WrestleMania of all time, and Vince wasn't even a wrestler, but there was something about Boss. Him versus Stone Cold was

these great angles, but he would come out and walk in certain ways. He would brag about being a billionaire. I mean, guys with money, Mitt Romney ran for president and tried to downplay himself. Like, all right, let's go to NASCAR and I eat KFC. Like you'd never do that. This was one of the first billionaires to say, I have more than you and I am better than you because of it. I will buy you and you will do what I say. And he came out and did that. And he said, don't call me that. You call me Mr. McMahon. Then he has his own walk. And I mean, it was just one of these things where you hated this guy.

guy. This guy was awful. He would blur the lines where he would come out and say things on TV as part of that character that he actually did to people behind the scenes. He would come out and say, you're going to do this. I'm going to pull your push. I'll take you off TV. I'll put you over here. I decide who makes it in this business. And it was all real things, but he played into it. He turned himself up and

Wow. Man, he was just a great heel. Another one you might remember, but Ted DiBiase. Yeah. The Million Dollar Man. Yeah. But he would do this. Ted DiBiase's character as the Million Dollar Man largely is what Vince actually was. And then he came out. Vince just made himself the Billion Dollar Man. Interesting. Ted DiBiase was hated. He would pay you to, you know, went to a hospital. His fingers cut. So there's a line of kids in this vignette. This is such a great vignette. You hate it. And then,

like broken arms and stuff, kids in wheelchairs, kids that need to get to the emergency room. Vince cuts the line. They won't let him. Ted or Vince? I'm sorry, Ted. Then he gives them $200, $300, $400 until they finally let him cut in front of all these people so he can get a Band-Aid. And he turns into a line of kids that look like an orphanage.

everybody has a price for the million dollar man. And it was the, oh my God. That's the promo? Yeah, that's it. He cut the line, he is Virgil, he's paying the money. It really was unbelievable. At what age do you realize the importance of the heel? Yeah. Because as a kid, I think we would look at these heels and we're unaware that they're, we know that they're fake, but we truly don't like them. Yep.

And now I feel like the heel we like to not like. Yeah. We enjoy to boo them. We're in on the game. Yes. But it's still a game. Yes. There is a transition that happens. Yeah.

For you, is it young? Are you watching these guys and going, well, I know they're the bad guy, but I kind of like them? No, no, I didn't get it. I didn't get it until college age when I came back. Now, I had left wrestling. I left it in middle school. I didn't do it in high school. But when I came back in college, and that was the Attitude Era. That's when Austin had gotten fired.

Yeah. Came over to event when the rock, you know, went from being a football player whose grandparents used to wrestle to the rock. You know, they had to rebuild Hogan and everybody had left. It was a really interesting time. WCW versus WWE. Like that was a really talk about a industry to study, but,

That's when I came back and yeah, that's when I started to get it and enjoy it. When I was a younger kid, I thought, yeah, I believed it. I believed it. I thought it was real. I remember The Rock being the person that made me be like, oh, the heel is fire. It was so funny. A cool heel is the most

monetizable thing in in the industry in in any sporting industry it's very rare but if you have a cool heel okay that makes money cool heel the rock would go into that category austin would go in that category so you have up the bad guy but he still looks cooler but why why was austin a bad guy i remember when rock was a bad guy well i don't remember austin is a bad guy austin oh yes austin used they were gonna throw him on tv yeah he said ass yep like

I remember the turning point. The turning point was right when my brother started watching wrestling, so I started, was he fought Triple H in a submission match, and then they had him turn face because he just wouldn't quit. Like, he's bleeding from the head, refuses to tap out, and that's when everybody, they start celebrating and building him up

as a face, but he still keeps this. Yeah, remember that blood? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible. So cool heel, and can you manufacture cool heel, or is that you just are cool and you end up being a heel? I would think McGregor would go into cool heel. 1,000%. Yeah, by the way. I would ride into your favela on horseback. Yeah.

And cut off the head of any man not fit to work. Yeah. Wow. What a, what a, oh my God. Take the women and children and cut off the head. If this was back in the day, the McGregor clan would ride into your favela on horseback and cut off the head.

Claim not only would he do it, that his ancestors did do it. They went to Brazil. That's a heel move. The Irish ancestors went to Brazil. Immediately got skin cancer. Yeah. Well, you were asking about Austin. Austin had come out and said the word ass, and that had never been done. Oh, my God. They thought they were going to have to pull him off TV. This was on a pay-per-view on a Sunday. Vince was irate. So he looks rebellious. He's fighting against the company. And it actually was.

Oh, it was real. It's called going into business for yourself where there is a script and you're live on TV and he did not follow the script. He knew I could be fired or I'm going to make it, but I'm going into business. I'm taking a chance here. I'm against you, but I think I'm right and I think I know this audience. And then Vince knows heat. Yes. So he sees the heat that comes off of it and instead of firing, he goes, give up.

Give them the fucking reins. It was on a Sunday at a pay-per-view. They got to catch a plane. They're live in town for Monday night, raw the next night. And Vince was going to pull him. And when he said the word ass, he also said, well, he said, Austin 316 says, I just whipped your ass. When they got to the arena the next night, they had 316 signs everywhere. And Vince was like, you.

Yeah, he was going to keep him in the back. He's like, you. But when he saw the signs. Yep, he realized this worked. And then he kept doing it. And then there was even this weird time where every wrestler started saying ass. It's like, no, guys, stop. That's his thing. But at that point, there was good guys and bad guys. Oh, for sure. He, you didn't know where he was. He hated the good guys. He hated

the bad guys he was the first guy ever he hated them all he stood by himself he was made of yes he against the bad guys the good guys everybody got the middle finger and that had never been done didn't he do that on usa like yeah crazy they blurred out yeah yeah you couldn't do that drinking beer instead i mean now these normal things but yeah if you had to liken yourself and in your character if you will

as you played throughout your career, who would it be most similar to? Definitely a collection of a number of people, but I would definitely ask myself, what would Stone Cold do in this situation? I would sometimes even call Stone Cold and say, in a situation, how would you handle this? The character specifically, your character, how would that happen? Any advice he gave you that was great? Yeah.

He gave me a couple of promos for Jon Jones. Yeah, he did. Which one? It was more ideas. I ended up not even using it. I called him and he answered the phone and I told him, hey man, I gotta take on this guy. He's a lot younger and he's bigger. And he says...

Driving down the road right now, the two-lane road with a yellow stripe in the middle, reminds me of John Jones. Got that yellow stripe right down his back. And he just starts cutting a promo, but it's like what's actually happening. He's just thinking as he's talking and taking the time to give this to me. But it was more to just kind of turn my brain on to what a promo was, to what people wanted to hear so that it didn't sound like a...

And I'll see a lot of fighters will have one line and they'll drop that one line and the crowd does nothing. And then they're not ready for the follow-up question. And so then they drop the energy and the character and they just go back to themselves. And it's just this awkward, but I wish the person interviewing when it let just drop the mic and go, it's, it's worse when they hit that line and then they, yeah. And then they, they come out of it. You know, the other side, we were talking about interviews earlier. Um,

But the UFC, everybody gets the same amount of time after the main event you win. And I do think Conor should get triple the time. Or Rampage, who had something to say, should have got triple the time. And I've never understood that. Why are you cutting his mic? We're all here to hear this moment. Everyone else gets 30 seconds. He doesn't. He gets five minutes. Give him the mic back.

Yeah. They don't do that. Rampage, another one, by the way. Rampage is great. But, like, you never know what he's going to say. How sharp are the WWE guys in terms of developing their character? Is a lot of it sort of prescribed by Vince or by, like, Upper Brass, or is it them actually developing the actual ins and outs? They are expected to do it. And it's one thing the guys that go into that business do not know. Like, you could be a huge star, and Vince might give you something. Like, Vince wants a guy that does X, Y, or Z. And Vince likes to take real-life characters and then...

The IRS. Everybody's scared of the IRS. So Vince creates a guy called Irvin R. Scheister. IRS. It was just smart things like this. The people hate the rich guy and the million dollar man. I mean, Vince was very good at that and he would tell you, but it was very limited. And then there would be, as they said it, there'd be a wardrobe guy there and then the sound guy would be there. So then you go talk with wardrobe about what you need and you and the sound guy try to figure out how to do that. And that's it. And then it either works or it doesn't. If you do a great job at it and it's Vince's idea and it doesn't get over, you're out.

I mean, it's a really big deal, but the wrestlers a lot of times don't know that. They don't know the psychology. They don't know, you know, when I show up, I'm in charge of this. Hacksaw Jim Duggan had to go to the two-by-four and make sure he had, you know, these gimmicks or guys that weren't changed. They had to bring that themselves, and if they forgot it and didn't have their gimmick that night, they're not going to get over it, and they could be out the door, so...

It is very incumbent upon them to take you, whether it's acting classes or whatever it might be. And ripping guys off in WWE is encouraged. Like, hey, go take a movie and find a character and then just come out and be that guy. Razor Ramon, who I mentioned earlier, but he had watched Scarface. He was Cuban and say hello to the bad guys. It was very simple, but he stole that

we stole that from the movie and didn't hide that fact interesting do you feel like there's like an interplay with like UFC or like actual mixed martial arts guys and WWE guys in terms of respect like do WWE guys see them and be like yeah but you're a real fighter and then do the fighters look at them and be like yeah but you can sell anything you're the best yes

Yes, and I think it's more us. I think fighters, if they got a chance to go to WWE, would. I don't think WWE would come over. And fighters watch WWE and appreciate it. And not everybody in WWE does. That includes Vince. Vince was so locked on his product. He legitimately did not know other sports and who is who, whether that's for better or worse. He was an animal, by the way. I wasn't trying to tease him or anything. But when you talk about could Vince come back,

he's come back from everything but I and I think he's trying to come back now I think he's still trying to work in you know Ronda Rousey and other people in that company say he's still the one calling Bruce Prichard he's still calling the shots and I you know whether that's true or trips is you know put his foot down but uh I don't know I don't know I think he's trying to come back would you would you uh be involved in wrestling

how is that not i would be involved to a degree do you see what pat mcafee is doing amazing yeah it is amazing what a growth by pat mack that guy came out of nowhere yeah at least at least for me they said he used to kick i can't tell you what team yeah yeah no no works his ass off though but i i don't even know who's a kicker i don't i don't know maybe i'm being naive but i'm just saying i don't know a lot about him yeah uh

But I sure know about him now. Yeah. I mean, he got like a $100 million deal at ESPN. He's doing the WWE thing. Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt. Greatest likable heel we've ever seen. Donald Trump. Oh, yeah. Fucking president of the United States. Yeah. Likable heel. Cool heel. I mean, cool heel, yeah. You will not convince me that Vince McMahon did not run that campaign in 2016. I was just going to ask you, do you think Trump learned from Vince anything? I believe Vince ran that. Wow. I believe Vince was the greatest influence. Vince's number one thing, I mean, is...

Yes, it is business and entertainment, but it's psychology. This is taking a product that he's telling you is fake and then making you cry when your guy doesn't win because you forgot that it's fake and buy a t-shirt on your way out. I mean, his ability to understand psychology. You remember when Trump had the tape came out with Billy Bush and he was going to grab him. And then the three chicks showed up. That was 11 days before the campaign. Just to remind you, it was over. I remember where I was when I got the phone call. It was over.

Everyone pulled out. Guys that had put money in didn't send the checks. They canceled the check. It was over. Vince McMahon put $8 million in. Whoa. With 11 days left, Vince sent him $8 million. Vince is the only person to send him. And why, why, why? What was his, was he like, I think. Vince said, we're not losing. He said, we're not losing. This is, this is not, we're not losing. It's not over yet.

Not even close. And when Trump got in, there was no mention of this, but he had catchphrases. He had lock them up. He started giving them nicknames. He started having the same songs. It was like walkout music. He was having chants from the crowd. His campaign was exactly the way Vince promotes a WrestleMania. And I do mean exactly. And then as soon as Trump got hired, it was on the first day, which is not literal, but it was one of his first assignments, was Linda.

She got appointed small business, which is what Vince, Vince just wants her gone. He just wants her out of the house. Right? You got the boys and girls could just get her to DC. Oh, Linda's his wife. Yeah. Oh, he hires her. Oh, yeah. Right away. I mean, and I mean like that. Which by the way, which by the way was a good, was a good appointment. She's, she's,

She's solid. She's real solid. Wow. No, it's very interesting. And one of the reasons I keep bringing Vince up, because I felt like we were talking about psychology earlier. Connor, you know, we started with that. Why does that formula work? Yeah. And it's like, well, this is the master. This is the, Vince is truly, he can evoke that emotion. He can sell out arenas. It's a stunning thing. So that's the thing that impresses me about Vince is,

and other people that can curate this type of promotion. There are certain people who are superstars, and that's not to say that they don't know it and they can lean into it and create these moments, but there are some people that can't help themselves, right? They're just saying outlandish things all the time. They just have no filter. We don't really know how in control of Tyson's celebrity he is. I have great admiration for what he's achieved, but there might be things that he says that he is not trying to be entertaining to become the most entertained things.

everything Vince has done is curated. That, to me, is the most impressive when you are making the things that we usually only like when they're authentic. Up to a year in advance. I mean... I mean, add that to your... Isn't that crazy? Yeah. No, it truly is a stunning thing. And then adapting through different times. I mean, Vince had to appeal to junior high kids. Decades since we're kids. And now it's not junior high kids. And now you're carrying them...

Yeah. So, I mean, different markets and different times. I waited online.

to buy a book for the rock where he was doing a signing, a tower books. Remember tower? Yeah. And I remember just saying there, I wait online. I've seen this massive line around the block where they're like kids that are buying books. This is before the Harry Potter era where like reading was like, cool. This is during the era where like, Oh, like you were like almost rejecting anything that had like an intellectual, like a spin to it. We're, we're online to buy this fucking, the rock book.

And I'm sitting there and I'm like a kid. So you're not really reflecting on it that much, but I'm like, what the fuck is going on the line? People are practicing their rock impressions because they're going to do it. When they get to him. It doesn't matter. And I'm looking at this and this is all now, obviously tons of credit to the rock for this, but there's also credit for the boss of recognizing what he has and leaning into it. Obviously the guys, I don't know. Has he been booked for the shit that he did?

You know, is he, did he go to jail for any of the things he did? Vince? No. No, nothing, right? No, not even facing that. It's not even facing. Okay. So, but you'd still want to sit down and you want to have one of these combos where it's just like, break down what you know about human beings. The first time you sat down here, that was the first thing I asked. I was like, you get something. You get something about human beings that gives you a huge advantage in this game that these other guys try to create. And you called it out about the post-fight conference. They're like, okay, if I have my one witty line, I'm good. Yep.

I don't see you break character during that, during the, a post fights. Right. Like I'll look at your post sites. Joel asked you a question. It don't matter what he asked you. You're going to say what the fuck you're going to say. That's right. And I appreciate that. Yeah. And I tell people don't answer. You're not here to answer questions. You're here to handle questions. Like let him ask the question. And then here's, here's what you, uh,

you know, go right into. And you're right, I never broke character because I was always ready for it, but I wanted more. I was disappointed when Rogan would bring the mic down. I was like, no, more, like this is fun. The fight's not fun. That's the scary hot shit. This is the fun. I got the crowd, like this is my moment. When they ended, I mean, that's when you feel, okay, it's over and now I got to redo this whole thing just to get those 90 seconds. The only part of this I enjoyed was those 90 seconds and

And now they're gone. So why don't you be part of wrestling in some way? To me, it's just such a no brainer. You understand psychology of it. You already have the mic skills, but,

You have the athleticism if you need to do it, but you could also do something to what like Vince and now I guess with Triple H are doing where it's not as much active actual wrestling and it's more character building. I had tried to pursue that at one time. I was still in college. WCW. Yeah. And they had something called a power plant and they would advertise it right during wrestling and you'd

you went out there for a tryout and if they accepted you, you know, then you paid them. It was kind of like this business and marketing thing. I didn't know that. I was a sophomore. I called the number. I got my tryout date and I went out there and I made it. Only me and one other guy made it. It was hard. Oh my goodness. It was, I was an NCAA All-American. So I was in really good shape.

I barely got through this thing. This was to require such mental toughness. It was so hard. We had to do three things, guys. And this was for three days, two full days, and then the Sunday was a half day. But there was a bucket, five-gallon bucket. You put it upside down. And when you do your squat, you got to come up on your toes. You got to throw your hands up. And you don't stop until you sit down on the bucket. And the reason I remember that is the bucket had a little lip. And we did so many of these damn squats. You can't see the bucket. So it was cutting into all of our legs, literally.

you did 50 of those, I apologize, you did 25 of those, 25 push-ups, 50 sit-ups, and then you got up and you did it again, and you got up and did it again, and when you've had enough, go home, and you don't, don't come back, it was like, it was like Navy SEAL-esque, and I mean, guys were out of there early, this great big steroid guy, I mean, really early, and we just did sit-ups, and squats, and push-ups, we got 30 minutes for lunch, and we went back and did sit-ups, and that is all

And we did it the next day. And the third day, it's all we did. And then they took us to the parking lot. We did some sprints as well. But by then, everybody was gone. It was just me and the other guy were the only ones that showed up on the third day. We made it through. They're like, you two were invited back, which invited back, man. Now you pay us money. Yeah.

It was a business ploy, but it was really difficult. And that was my only foray. When I came out of college, the internet was just coming around. There was no social media, and people didn't have phones. My point is, contacting someone was hard back then. But what about now? You would have had to have really known somebody. But why not now? Well, now I got ESPN. I got my thing with USC and...

I'm not against it, but by the way, I guess maybe a more candid answer is I don't know how. I don't know who to contact. He feels like he's owned by. Do I go to Triple H, that guy that I just told you was banging China? Yeah. Do I go to him? Or do I call Stephanie, who I said was the other woman and then shouldn't be upset when there became another woman? Yeah. Are they? I feel like they're okay. They should know character. Yeah. I don't.

They should know character building. I think at a certain position, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, somewhat similar. Jerry Jones, whatever you say about him, he doesn't care because he knows it's all good in the end. Sure. Everything is good for me. I think Vince is more so even probably, and then he probably passed that on to the kids. Whatever they say about you, it's okay. It's good. Good, bad, ugly, it's good. I agree. And a lot of guys say that, but they don't mean it.

Yeah, most of us don't. No, most of us don't mean it. But you are correct. Can I just say one more thing? I mean, if we're going to do that Vince thing, we're going to talk about everything that he went through. And I'm glad that we did because nobody else is. Nobody has spoken up for Brock Lesnar. Well, but, you know, he went through it. He lost his company. What happened to Brock? They have canceled Brock. Brock is alleged, not from the person, by the way. We've heard somebody else say that the person said, which quite frankly, I don't doubt, but it's still hearsay.

that Brock sent naughty text messages. Nothing more, not confirmed. As a matter of fact, it is confirmed that Brock has never met this human being. As a matter of fact, it's confirmed that Brock has never spoke to this human being. It is believed that a naughty text came from a number that is believed to be Brock's.

They canceled him. And I mean out. He will never come back. He went down with Vince. So he's tied to Vince. Everything that Vince has done, Brock is now tied. Nobody has spoken up for him. Nobody's defended him. Now, Brock doesn't have a friend in the media because Brock's never done a damn thing for anybody else.

But nobody has been me too'd and to think that he doesn't have one friend that will speak up and just say, hey, by the way, you don't even know it's him. You haven't even asked him if it's him. He hasn't even commented. The person in question didn't complain about it. She allegedly told someone else who wrote about it on a phone number that has never been tied to Brock. How does this even enter? Allegedly. And by the way, they were so I don't know if you guys know the story, but allegedly they were like planning to meet it.

And Brock was doing, you know, he was being, whoever this person was, they were being like a normal guy would, hey, send me a pay. And then upping it. Well, now send this and send that. And what if I did this? Is this a ledge woman? Let's get the killer and kill a homeless person. Wait, who says that? I'm sorry. I was performing. That's Aziz. I took that's Aziz.

And a great job Aziz by the by oh, I'm just curious is the alleged woman Maybe the wife of somebody very important. No, she worked in the office. She was a gal She she was in on it She's actually not mad about it or claiming like from from a sexual forced like there's no there's no crime other than she had an NDA and

She was owed $2 million. She got $1 million of it. The other million didn't come. And she's like, you owe me $1 million. Which, by the way, she's right. It is very clear that she is owed $1 million. It's not clear why that money was pulled. Like, what this has cost Vince when he could have just... That's a little bit unclear. But that is what happened. No, she is not going to the police and saying, I was forced into anything. Nope. In what capacity was he involved before? Like, before he got canceled? And is that Vince? Brock.

What was Brock doing? Oh, for them, he was their top draw. No, no, no, no, no, no. When he got canceled, he was their top draw? Oh, yeah. You could argue it was Roman Reigns, but I think it was Brock. You couldn't argue it was anybody other than Brock or Roman. No, he was the biggest thing. And he finally found a gimmick that he liked. He was playing like cowboy slash butcher Brock. He was cutting up meat in the back. But you could see his face. He was genuinely, for the first time, having fun.

You know, Brock, as much as people would look at Brock's life and go, I want that, he really didn't have fun. You know, he doesn't travel well. He's very uncomfortable. And he gets pulled in a lot of directions. He's got a social anxiety. He told people, even people that were close to him, I don't have a cell phone. But he just didn't want you to call him. And that was people close to him. Like, people really believed he didn't have a cell phone.

He's got it right in his pocket. But it was one of those things where he just moved out in the middle of essentially nowhere, and that was just the life that he wanted. I only say that because when people looked at him and go, well, what a superstar. He didn't want to be in the lines. He didn't want people patting him on the back and surround him. He didn't want anything more than to walk into those arena and walk out. I mean, he'd wave to everybody and be nice, but it was one of those things. And he's actually done a lot for people that no one knows about. He's very loyal to the college that he graduated. He gave

massive amounts of money and donations, which really helped people that he'll never get credit for. He doesn't want the credit. But I'm just saying, to imagine that nobody spoke up for him in all this time. Yeah, what does that say? He should be the one suing them for breach of comment. He should be going after them. Defamation. Everything.

How are you possibly... They've taken him off the website. When I talk about canceled, it's not that we don't assign him and put him back to work. They've taken... He doesn't exist. He was never... He's pulling off the video games. The DVDs that are out there, things are online. His matches are gone. Is he the sacrificial lamb so you don't go as hard at Vince and they can save some face and not have to oust their own father? Do you think it could be something? I just think they've got to oust the...

the reputation. Sure. So anything that falls in line with workplace harassment or abuse, you gotta get that out of there. I imagine. Or you're just doing like a... Yeah, you could be killing a story with another story. Right, because I believe it's the same woman that's also accusing Vince. Yeah. It's the same woman, yes. But she has not come out. She has not spoken up and said, Bronco Lesnar did these things. She allegedly had told someone else, and then someone else had reported this to the media.

And it was just a phone number. In fact, just to finish the story the way that it went, but Brock was escalating the text messages. And they had planned to meet. There was a hotel and there was a whole thing was planned. And COVID hit and the travel never happened. They just, they never met. He's never met her. He's never FaceTimed. He's never spoke.

She has nothing to tie this to Brock. By the way, sure, it could have been Brock. I'm just talking about when you cancel a guy and you go against a contract, you take a multi-million dollar contract aside from destroying a guy's reputation, and you did it on that? You did it on hearsay that is that weak? That's never happened. That's all I'm suggesting. And for one person until right now to not come to the media and speak up on Brock's behalf?

not one single friend he made in 20 years maybe it was vince come on maybe it's like yo vince you're talking to my girl yeah i wonder if it's vince trying to poison the authority that's accusing him sure and saying like look this girl is accusing a lot of people she's calling everyone out she's obviously not a trustworthy story what is sorry i don't know that's the case obviously but i'm wondering if the fact that they're connected seems suspicious to me why doesn't or sorry to interrupt yeah if she's everybody

he she's not being abused by vince it's the same thing she said yeah yeah she has not claimed there was a crime yeah so she yeah it wasn't because there is some there there was some crime even if even if nobody knew one was being committed there is some crime that you actually could tie vince to and federal prosecutors allegedly looked at it decided not to but when bronc

was getting re-signed. Vince, they have Vince's text to this girl. Then they have these alleged texts from Brock. The Vince's are Vince and the girl is the girl. And Vince was saying to her, hey, I'm doing a new deal with Brock. You're part of the deal. I have promised Brock you, you need to reach out to him now. Wow. And that did happen. And there was a renegotiate in the timeline where, and then all of a sudden you have this random...

Unconcerned number. Sending some naughty messages. Allegedly. Sending some naughty messages. Oh yeah, he didn't hide it. Vince took a crap on her head.

Allegedly. Well, allegedly but not denied. I'm sorry. It was like a group of guys. There was like a group of guys in a hotel. She shit on her head. What do you think that's about? And I think he should only call her that. When he refers to her, that's all he should ever refer to her as. But here's what's unclear. Was it an accident?

Probably. Probably. Yeah. Don't you hate that? He's a thousand years old. Oh, you're saying it was like 69, but he was on top. Maybe something like that. There was a group that went after this had happened. I don't know if they used a towel. They didn't make it clear. Jay Prunes or something? Yeah. Who knows? And they didn't make it clear. I really wish you would clear that up. Do you think he was loosened up by somebody first? Gross. Yeah. Shh.

I'm just like, you know, this was very normal culture in that. Sitting on women's medicine. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the culture, though, that's going on, yeah. Like, the guys that are coming out and covering this and helped to set Vince up, they're still there. They were part of the culture. Like, there's still leadership. It's one of these interesting things where you put Brock down and you took the owner of the company...

This is what you love? Yeah, it's one way or the other, though. I mean, are we cleaning house or are we not? Apparently Brock's text messages, I don't want to out this too much, but this is from a website that I found on an obscure website. The wrestler asked her to send a video of herself urinating. Yep.

That's not even sex. Which, how embarrassing. That's not even sex. Yeah. And how embarrassing if you're Brock and that's like the thing that, I mean, how embarrassing? It's just a bodily function. It's not even. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's straight up. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then after she did, allegedly, he called her a bitch. That makes my foot fetish less weird. Oh, really? That's what this claims from the Wall Street Journal, I believe. So she does send the video. According to this. And he goes, you bitch. Yeah.

Something like that. Wow. That's what this is alleging, which is the funniest way to respond to someone sending you... It's a rough world. She's like, fine, I'll do it for you, bitch. I mean, that's too good. If you're AEW, why don't you just sign Brock? He's a massive draw. Yeah. That's why it's good there's a second wrestling federation league or whatever it is. But yeah, why doesn't AEW just scoop up Brock

really help the company. I had never even thought of that. And yeah, there would be an extent to that for sure. And you can get Brock for enough dates, four or five, something like that. He's probably not going to do many more than that. But I also wonder that with the WWE, like they have canceled them, but...

Are they still sending him money? Is that why he's not going with ADW? But it's a public company. We could find that out. We could ask him. He just doesn't have a cell phone. Yeah, that's exactly right. Unless you're a girl peeing, apparently you can't. And then all of a sudden, there's someone with a cell phone. You can't get a hold of Brock. It's a little bit of an unbelievable story. Whether you think that was Brock or not, I actually don't choose to weigh in on that. I don't.

I tend to think it was. What kind of evidence is that? It's not cancelable. With WWE, there are all these storylines that happen with the characters. And you're like, these storylines are just unbelievable. And then you find out what's happening behind the scenes.

And it makes what's happening in front of the cameras so believable. Yeah. Well, these guys like each other. One guy hit another guy with a chair. That's what you do. You don't like a girl and then shit on her head. That usually does. If that happened in an episode of Raw, first of all. Yeah. There was another guy, John Laurinaitis. Man.

Very high ranking guy. His son played in the NFL, I think, right? That's exactly right. I think it might have been a nephew. Okay, but they were the, what are they, the Road Warriors or something? They had the spiked shoulder fans? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Road Warrior Animal is his brother. Okay. Road Warrior Animal's son, I believe, played for the Rams. Might even still play. Very good player. Yeah, but I'm just sharing, and Lorne Ice has been, he goes back to the 70s, he's been around forever. When his career was over, he went into the office, and he was part of, like, Vince really, like, during office hours,

for him and Laurinaitis to go into the woman's office. Everybody's out here working. Shut the door. I'm just sharing that it was a cultural thing. So Laurinaitis gets hit in this. And Laurinaitis took a very interesting defense. He lawyered up and he said, I am a victim. I too was paid by Vince. And I too, if I did not show up for these acts...

Whether I was the one doing this or the one doing that, I did not want to be there. That's smart. It's kind of believable. It's kind of believable. I didn't want to fuck this hot girl we hired to fuck. Yeah, but I like to dance every time. I do it on my own accord. There's twins. The Bella twins. Oh, yes. Okay. Lordinus is the stepfather to the Bella twins. He's very tied to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he hasn't denied the name. I mean, it was right during office hours.

Linda's walked in when Vince is... I will say this. And finished. She's finished when she went to the filing cabinet and got it out as he's got. I'm going back to the 80s, and I don't even know the dude. And I'm telling you stories. Shout out to Linda, yo. I put her on my previous cabinet to keep a secret. You know what I mean? Get some files out of it while I'm doing what I gotta do. Now, this is wild. I will say the WWE female wrestlers...

If you're judging by like then and now, like China versus what they got now, which are these beautiful girls. Sure. It would let you believe that, you know. What?

There was some extracurricular activities happening. Sure. That's all I'm trying to say. Damn, you didn't want to crack China's truth? Well, no. The trips was getting that. No, it makes me believe Vince is out because now they look much less like dudes. So if you're fucking them, you know what I mean? You want to fuck them. Sure. Well, we got to know what this girl who's alleging looks like. That's a good ass point, though. She's 40, by the way. Is she? Which only surprised me. You know, he's a much younger one. That's the most disgusting part of this whole thing. That's surprising, at least. It's at least a little bit surprising when you find...

When you find that part of it out. But, uh... I lost my train of thought. I think maybe even 42. I remember saying, what? You remember that? My father-in-law, Steve and I, are watching this. You know, he took a dump on her head and we're giggling to each other. And we're trying to speak in code because my eight-year-old son's in the back. And we're like trying to have this... And yeah, and then we find out she's 42. And he...

We're like, oh, it's typo. You mean 24. Quite frankly, you know, I think she looks closer to 24. And that's new Vince. See, that's not the dirtbag. The dirtbag's over here. The new Vince with the mustache. See, he did not do anything wrong. He looks so much creepier, though. No, this guy's innocent. In fact, he looked back at that Vincent K. McMahon and thinks, what a dirtbag. This is somebody else, though. Yeah. He did this in front of the world. He came out with a new look and...

And a new catchphrase. What was the catchphrase? I don't even know what it was, but he did it. He actually took on Pat McAfee at WrestleMania, uh,

I've never seen Vince look so bad. He couldn't move. He ruined the show. And Pat McAbee, who had never done it before, made the match work. Like, if you ever want to see Pat's true wow skill, it was him versus Vince. Vince couldn't move. There was a time when Andre the Giant had to hold the rope because he'd fall down. So he couldn't wrestle him, but they had to come over to him and he couldn't let go of the rope. Um,

Vince wasn't far off. Really? It was bad. He should not have... It was bad. And Pat carried him. Pat's got no experience, and Pat carried him and made the match work. Wait, but that was this past WrestleMania? Yeah, that was two. Vince is out for this one. This was the first one with Trips. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. I think I saw a couple people on Twitter. I was looking at wrestling Twitter randomly, I think, to research a story or something, but they seemed to really like...

Triple H. It said Vince, it's better off without Vince. A lot of people seem to think. Oh, so people like the new management. They see Trips as a great executive. Yeah. That he's there, he's available, he understands things. You know, if he gives you an answer, you can count on it. They came out to Portland just recently. I worked with the commission, so we were there before anybody else. And

Trips was there. I mean, when the guys were in the ring early and kind of going over their spots and, you know, they have a meal before they change and there was no other executives there. And there's Trips. You know, he's with the boys. He traveled out to... Yeah, I think that Trips, I think he really likes what he does and...

i think he must be pretty damn good because that's a competitive business yeah you know it takes a lot like the idea of replacing dana is not something i haven't met the person yeah i haven't met the person because they can't put in the time they're not going to go seven days a week 18 hours a day they're not they're going to require as humans more sleep than dana does and the same could really be said for vince vince vince would fire somebody if they yawned he couldn't understand he

He couldn't understand why somebody needed sleep. He didn't know why he needed sleep. It infuriated him. Why? Why would God make... Why do we need to sleep? And if somebody would yawn in a meeting that's at like 3 a.m., he'd say, you tired of making money? Yeah, he'd turn on him. Really? Yeah. It was legit. He didn't understand. It does make sense, though, that he took a popular figure from wrestling to replace him. Yeah. Because...

As the owner of the business, you also need to be a personality that represents the business. And I think that's something that people probably underestimate with Dana. It's like Dana is a personality. He can be the face of the business. He is the celebrity CEO, if you will. And he needs to be able to do a podcast with people for hours and answer questions and be entertaining and go up and talk to media. Yeah.

Triple H can do that because he spent decades in the spotlight honing that skill and that craft. If you just hire some geek, someone who would run like a basketball team or something like that, yeah, they can do it behind the scenes. They can look at the X against his nose and they can look at the numbers, but they can't be that personality. Yeah.

100%. Yeah. 100%. Like, there's other guys that could do the paperwork, yeah, but to come out and be a promoter, it's a rare thing. That shit is hard. I mean, even Don King. That was about to say. But he was being silly. But he's out there with the fucking flags. It was short. He couldn't sit down in a podcast for me. You know, it was silly. He had a quick thing, and it worked for many years. And people don't really. It took a long time. Bob Arum never got it. Dale Ahoy never got it. Eddie Hearn does to a degree. I feel like Dale Ahoy is, like, flirting with it now. Yeah.

Like, he's, like, realizes how people see him, and he's, like, kind of talking about his past and kind of talking about, like, what he went through. I feel like he's not trying to uphold the golden boy image. Like, he's like, okay, that's done. Now everybody knows that I was a degenerate cocaine addict that loved fucking, and I could also beat people up. All right. Yep. Now, like, I feel like he's almost...

Like, he had a moment with Canelo in promoting Canelo's last fight. I guess he was also the promoter of the guy who was fighting Canelo, where Canelo started cursing at him and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, are you getting this? Yep. Nobody knows who this fighter that you represent is, but Canelo's now fighting with you. So I wonder if Oscar is... And Ryan Garcia has also turned on Oscar. You saw that miniseries they made on Oscar? It was a true story. Like, Oscar helped him with it, but...

We were so close. We were so close to getting there. He revealed to the world what a scumbag he is, which can be a really good counseling session. We were so close to this actually helping. Right at the end, one of the last things he says is he goes, you know, I looked back, all the bad things. Terrible father didn't see his kids. I mean, the worst things you could do. And says, you know, but I wonder if it was wrong. Maybe it was all worth it to get us here because...

we're also happy and successful whatever it was like right at the end he didn't take any responsibility all he had to do was out himself tell the truth and then take responsibility almost wonderless he was this close to heal have you ever met Vince or any of these uh wrestlers no um no Stone Cold comes to some of the events The Rock comes to the events I've actually never met him I've walked past him he's he's been at our fights I've walked past but never met him

um, I got to go to a WrestleMania after party once. And so I met just real quickly, but, uh, Bret Hart was there and Roman Reigns was there. Uh, John Cena was, uh, was there. Randy Orton was the nicest guy. Randy Orton was the cool guy. He was on the dance floor, man. He was cutting a rug all night. Orton, Orton was great. But, um,

Pastor Kishi and some other... They don't know us, though. It's not the same thing. Like, where I knew each and every one of these guys and remember them to this day and remember the brief interaction I had, even if it was just hello. It's not the same. Who's the greatest of all time? Professional wrestler? Yeah. Well...

I believe in professional wrestling, whoever made the most money is the best. And that's Hulk Hogan. And they said that he didn't know the difference between a wrist lock and a wrist watch, that he was going to hit you with the right hand and drop that leg. He was never going to hit actual wrestling moves or anything hard. That's what they said.

But I like the guys that brawled. I like wrestling back when it looked like a competition. Now it looks like a performance. It looks like a cooperation that's a performance. I don't like that. I don't like triple backflips off the, you know, the,

into the tables and things like this. I think it's weird. I liked it back when it was a fight. I liked that Hogan threw right hands and moves that if you were in a fight, you would actually use. Pick a guy up and throw him down and then kick him while he's down. I like those things. So I say Hogan, if you want to know like the absolute best technician, boy, they got a guy right now named Seth Rollins. For Seth to be number one, he's got to be better than Bret Hart. He's got to be better than Shawn Michaels, which...

He might not be. Those guys were good. But he also might be. Seth might be number one. He is an incredible athlete. He could have gone into anything and done very well. He just somehow found wrestling.

But I think that it's important that you look at it from that perspective. And that might sound silly, the guy that made the most money, but no, it's not real. Yeah. Like, wouldn't it be the rock? Yeah. Wouldn't it be the rock that made the most? Well, and now, yeah, that's right. Like I would imagine the rocks come on, they say stone cold just on his merchandise. You know, they say that. Cena must be close. Yeah. And Hogan didn't really have a chance by the way, like not everything was pay-per-view that,

close caption. Vince was the first one to the WrestleMania to bring that out. So I'm just saying like his whole era. Muhammad Ali, by example, has no records. Well, they also didn't have pay-per-view back then. It's not as though pay-per-views beat him. It didn't exist back then. You watched Muhammad Ali fight by gathering around a transistor radio. It was just a very different time. So yeah, you could be right that The Rock has passed him up. I would think that that is correct. I wonder how that

worked out like when they did those fights abroad the the gate can't be worth much right because you're fighting in the third world country you can't charge that much money for tickets or else who's going to show up right and the exchange rate is dog shit yeah so like i guess what was it it must have been tv rights that paid the fighters and then had to be yeah distribute had to be so it's distribute it's distribution and everybody's just watching on mbc or wherever the hell they're watching it

Got it. And I'm sure there were some sponsors for the events. And then the fighters, I imagine, just weren't making the type of money that the fighters were making. Yeah, I don't think they understood. Again, bringing it to NFL, which is what I know. The NFL just had a deal with CBS to broadcast the games. And then Jerry Jones actually was the guy that was like, no, we can shop this around and make a lot more money. And that's how the money has gotten crazy in NFL and NBA.

TV rights. Let's shop it. This is a bidding war now. Distribution is a very hard business to know. There's not a lot of people. There's not even a lot of books on it. But even the UFC that sold ESPN for $1.5 billion, that all got announced and was public. But if you look a little closer, that was a North American deal. If ESPN in Mexico wants to show, it's a whole other feat. Or if Dana wants to take it and sell it to somebody that isn't ESPN, he wants to do that in Germany or Switzerland. So he maintained the international rights for it.

Yeah, so all of a sudden, you get these places that come out and brag. PFL and Don Davis were very excited. They're like, we're in 68 different countries. But that's a really big deal because it's 68 different deals. Yeah, that makes sense. And I don't know a lot about that. And I don't know anybody I can call and ask. I don't have any friends. I don't have any family. There's not really anybody out there where you can learn about that. That's where the real competitive part of the business comes. Then if you're in pay-per-view...

The theft rate right now is so high. You really can't do a pay-per-view. People downloading illegally. Showing it on TikTok, having certain websites you can go to. And so Dana's got this infrastructure. You know, just outing myself. I don't pay for pay-per-views. Hey, you know, it's one of those things. If we've met a fighter, I'll pay. And if we haven't.

Yeah. No, I have to every single time. It's too much. They go through too much, man. That shit is too great. I was in France for what? Do you think we, what? I know, right? That was, what a performance. I know. Yes. Thank you for calling it. Thank you for calling it. He saw the FBI at the end of the show for 250,000. Let me try again. Let me try again. Let me try again. Do you know what those guys go through in there?

They go through. Hold on, let me get the bullet points out. Let me try again. Yeah, I just can't. I can't steal it. I mean, those guys, they're getting punched and kicked and choked. Something would happen at a WWE office. What does one cost?

What pay-per-view? The ones that you buy every time. I think they're about $25 now, aren't they? They're about $25. I buy every single one. I feel like we got one more. Let's take one more on it. You have to do that on a .com or can you do that through your remote control? I do it right through the remote. You do? Yeah. Because... I can watch it on my Nintendo Switch. Everyone else has to...

Go to the dot com. Yeah, I don't. Special remote? Yeah, it's a special remote. I feel like when a guy's willing to sacrifice that much and be in that thing like that, and if you don't, you're taking money. He's giving up his life. The least you can do is give him a few dollars. You know what I mean? And if you do get it wrong, you get a teleportation device, you go back in time. And if you believe that, you must be kind of stupid. Ha ha ha!

By the way, I was going to ask you one simple question. Are you getting to the position with this show where people are beginning to kiss the ring? And I'm talking about, to use Rogan, but politicians, aspiring politicians are calling and trying to get on the Joe Rogan show. Are you having to deal with that? Yes. So, okay.

Do you have a policy? You're supposed to wear, no, we're not doing this or I'm not doing that. Or if I have this one, then I'll have this one. Are we? It's just, am I interested? Who do I think is interesting? Yeah, who's interesting? Because there's no other way to have a conversation, right? Yeah. And if, like for me, I think it's interesting. We had a couple of guys that ran. We had RFK and then we had Vivek.

And I was interested in both of them. And I was like, I think they could withdraw him by the time we had him on. We were, we were at least in conversation while he was still going. I think we were the first interview after he withdrew. But I was like, I want to know what it's like. Why would you make the decision to run for president? Like, I want to know what's going on in your head. You don't have to, you have all the money in the world. You have a family, like your family's going to go through hell. Why do you think this needs to happen? Um,

He truly believes that he can make a difference. He can, by the way. He actually can. He's fucking unbelievable. I just think he cannot communicate to people that... He tries to dumb it down and he dumbs it down too much. And then I think we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, he'd be somebody that... I also think that there are some extreme things in his beliefs that...

He's willing to pay the price for it. I don't know if Americans are. Sure. Like he was bringing up something, I think, I don't know if it was Jefferson said about like the people deserve a country. No, no, no. Democracy ensures that people get a country they deserve. Yep.

And I'm probably butchering that quote, but by deserved meaning like if we get rid of a lot of fucked up shit and people's lives are impacted negatively because of that, if we get rid of these government programs that we think are bloated and they probably are, but people's lives are impacted negatively, he's like, we deserve that.

And I don't know if the average American is willing to take that. Sure. Maybe they are. Sure. Maybe they're not. Sure. But I thought he had a unique way of looking through things. And I thought it was kind of cool. And then RFK, I thought was great. Like he really impressed me. Yeah. And by the way, I feel as though he's going to pull out because he will be the decision maker one way or the other. I feel like he's going to pull it. Do you believe after meeting him that he is the resolve?

Because both sides are trying to make deals right now. Right now, these deals are coming in, and they're big ones, too. What do you mean by resolve? What does that mean? Like, to stay in? Like, is it the integrity? I'll give you an example. We just saw this with Kerry Lake. But the people that are supporting Biden and think that he's going to be harmful, those...

donors, they're already calling and offering RFK a seat on the board, which is no different than 100 Byte and selling a painting for $10 million. It's the exact same thing, but I'm just sharing with you. Does he have the resolve to stay in this to the bitter end, or is he going to jump and exchange RFK

For the buyout. I don't think that you can influence him as easily with money. Like this guy's a Kennedy. He's been around money his entire life. Money is not impressive to him. Like it was funny when he was talking about hanging out with Epstein. I was like, how's the jet? And he was like, it was all right. But like he didn't say it as a joke.

He objectively judged enough jets. Which to us is like, what? There's more than one? I thought it was just Delta and then private play. A lot of them apparently. So I don't think you can bribe him with money. I think that

I mean, look, maybe everybody has a price, a billion dollars. I don't know. But his price is obviously going to be much higher. Sure. And I think he really kind of likes nature. Like, that's his thing a little bit. And maybe that identity is curated by, like, you know, working for these environmental agencies or whatever he's done. But, like, so I think it's going to be, what are you going to give him that he really wants? Yeah, what can you offer him? When he came and saw you guys, did he have security? Yeah.

Are you planning something? Let's go back to the beginning of this episode. If I was to shoot, I would go. You can't wait until the car turns. I thought that was very low that they didn't give him secrets. That was very low. And when I talk about will he have the resolve to stay in, it's like, well, he just might because they've done so many terrible things to him. From what Nancy Pelosi did to him to the demissal by Joe Biden to putting his security in harm by not giving him secrets. That alone could

piss him along but now he has the money sure i think is i think the girl that's running with him i think is the wife of the founder of google or something like that oh i didn't know yeah he's the running mate huh yes she's got deep pockets like you know i don't know if that's strategic but like he is good he's good for security they're playing this game by the way of who's going to be trump's running mate do you guys want me to ruin this for you yes do this yeah i'm paying

So this is what's fascinating. If he chooses Mike Pompeo... I know nothing about Mike Pompeo. Mike Pompeo was the, what's it called? Secretary of State, right? Yes. If he chooses Mike Pompeo, I think that all of the...

drain the swamp Republicans, the right wing drain the swamp guys that are like, oh, Trump's going to come here and change everything. If you choose a true establishment politician figure like Mike Pompeo, I think you break the hearts of all the fringe groups. Now, they might not vote for Biden, but I don't know if they'll support Trump. But what I think it does is by choosing Pompeo, I think it brings over neutral Republicans

I think it's like it's basically Trump going, hey, guys, I'm going to I'm not going to shake shit up. I'm going to do the same thing I did last time where I hire all the establishment people to be in my cabinet and in the positions of power. And I do things a little different. I say things a little wild and maybe other countries aren't as comfortable bombing because they think that I'm a loose cannon, but I'm still going wild.

I'm towing a company. Sure. Do you think that's what that is? Mike Pompeo is as establishment as it gets. I can tell you this. When Trump had made a statement, they asked him, do you know who your VP is going to be? And he's now playing the game, but he didn't play it at first. Which, no, I don't know. And see who can go out there and work the hardest and get all these things. He didn't do that. He said, yeah, I do. And then he kind of corrected himself and said, well, 30 percent I do. I can tell you in that moment when he said 30 percent, he was referring to Mike Pompeo. How do you know that?

I'm sharing something with you. I'm sharing some insight. Oh, wow. You want to kiss and tell? Okay, keep going. No, that's not like some glamorous that Mike Pompeo, Dana White would have been a hot spot. I'm just getting in front of it. Just so you know, if you're wondering why Pompeo pulled out of the race when Trump got in, it wasn't just respect and honor. He does very much, but

Yeah, if you wonder why Pompeo's been so quiet, it's not because he's out of the game. He's coming back. I'm letting you know, when he made the statement of 30%, he was referring to Mike Pompeo. That's what I'm telling you. I really thought it was going to be Nikki Haley. Because she kind of pulled back her words. Interesting. She said he would be irresponsible. I mean, to get the other half of the party that was anybody but Trump. The Republicans fall in line. You just need everybody. That's what I was thinking about fringe groups. What about Fulci Gabbard?

I like her. I don't like Nikki Haley. Yeah. Don't forget that. Tulsi Gabbard a better Indian than Nikki Haley. Ain't that crazy? Yeah. Not even Indian. Yeah.

Nikki is, but I'm saying Tulsi Gabbard is a better Indian than Nikki Haley. She's Hawaiian. Yeah, I'm trying to think. What do we got here? Who else is there? I just don't know that Nikki would offer them. There was a poll that came out yesterday. 54% of Democrats would rather somebody else other than Biden. But that's just something they say. If that was sincere at all, ask them one follow-up question. Who?

When you meet one of those Dems that blows in the wind and makes a statement, who? If they say Gretchen, if they say Gavin or something, then okay, then they do mean it. But they're just saying, they're just words. What about pulling, there's reason to believe that Biden will be pulled. Yeah. What do you think? He most definitely will not be. And I'm not sure why play that game, but it is a game. I mean, the Democrats are the ones allowing that story to be out there.

And it just seems like they're not piling up and putting everything on Biden. They're throwing just enough on Newsom. I feel like the Republicans are falling for it. Oh, so it's a tactic. Oh, yes, yes, very much. They're throwing just enough behind. Well, we can't have that Kamala Harris. Well, that Gretchen, that Gretchen, she out of Michigan. She stood in a bad job. The Republicans are falling for it.

for what they want to do. What does that do? Sorry, what does that tactic do? Well, it would just take your focus off of Biden. It would just take off your negative campaign and all the negative things that you come out there and say, which is a miss in politics anyway. Like if you're team Trump, you should never say Joe Biden's name, which is there is not a politician out there that would agree with me. And I do mean zero.

But they should never say Joe's name. So how do they say it? They should only tell you what's great about Trump. They should never talk about what's bad. What about Crooked Joe? What about like, or what was it? Crooked Hillary? Like all the sayings that he- Sleepy Joe. Yeah, Sleepy Joe. All the sayings that he curated were like fantastic. Some of that's fun. I'm just sharing with you. Like it's a really big mistake. When they go out there and they've got TV time to put Trump over and they spend 80% of it talking about Biden, they're doing it from a negative standpoint, which they think builds Trump up. You guys got this wrong. You're not talking about Trump himself. Right.

Should Trump himself talk about...

Well, he can't deal with the issues, but no, no, not the way that he does. I mean, it's a broad stroke when I say never, but no, no, he should not. No, nobody else does. I mean, you as a comedian or something, you're trying to get in front of somebody else. You would never start talking about, well, this guy's also coming to Madison Square Garden and start putting him down. Like nobody, nobody would do that. No actor that ever made it to the top. No singer that made it to the top. Nobody comes out and does that. It's being debunked a bit. Just even in comedy, Cat Williams went on Shannon Sharpe's podcast, Trash Talk.

So many other comedians. God, that was fun. Yeah, that was fun. I mean, it was riveting, but it also kind of revived things for Kat. Yes, it sure did. And then the entire Democratic ticket in 2020 was we can't have Trump. We can't have Trump. That's all they have even now. We just can't have Trump. So who do you think wins?

Well, you're going to have a very hard time beating Biden. You're going to have a very hard time. Yeah. He's a very good politician, and I've never seen anything like it. You know, I was telling you earlier that I was so surprised to see my own colleague Stephen A wilt so quickly and openly admit I am wilting because of your comments on social media. He was the tough guy in the room, and I was just surprised. Yeah.

Joe Biden is the only politician I've seen that will come out and say, I don't believe in this. My convictions are a different way. I'm not going to bring my beliefs and my convictions. Here's what I will vote when it's time to vote, because I know that's what the majority of you want.

and he'll even go that way until it's not popular, and then he'll do an interview, and he'll say, hey, listen, this is no longer popular. You guys want to see this, and it'll increase my chances to get elected. He'll openly say it, and he'll say, and I'll make you a deal. I will. For 50 years, I've done this one thing, but I'm telling you now. And he honors it. That's actually kind of awesome. He's a very honest guy about it. To me, it's not a bad thing. But isn't that what you want a democratically elected leader to do, is to represent the populace? Well, I will share with you this.

I don't think you could give me another example where it's been done. I mean, I started this by saying he's a very good politician. Yeah. But he is very interesting. Obama. I'll just give you a great example. Gay marriage. Obama, gay marriage. Both of them. He and Joe, they were on that together. Absolutely not. And after the second election, yeah, we've evolved and...

And they changed their minds. But I'm sharing with you. And those things are okay, by the way. I'm not questioning a flip-flopper. Like, anytime you're confronted with evidence you hadn't previously considered, you're right to change your mind. You don't have to lock in and be stubborn to something you believed 40 years ago. That's not what I'm suggesting. What I'm telling you is Joe Biden, I can't think of another politician, will openly tell you, I don't believe in this. I do not believe in this. But because you are more likely to vote for, I will change my mind.

And that hasn't been done. For example, he has been very instrumental in the pro-choice movement. But he is a Catholic and says, I believe it's murder, and I believe you shouldn't do it. And I do believe you will be judged someday. But I, as a politician, will not enforce. And when he had the chance to, he kept his word. And that's a great thing. I think that's...

It's a great thing. And you're saying people like that and that's what makes him a good politician. No, I'm just saying it's very unique. I can't think of anybody else that when you vote for a man to be your leader, it's because you like his convictions. He has convinced you, I know a better way. I've led a better life. I can bring this to you. Yeah. That's what a leader is. But we're also a country. I've never seen anybody. Against that.

church and state. And so it's like, you don't want his religious beliefs to impose on somebody who doesn't believe in that same religion. That's what he said. Yeah. It's a unique tactic, I think, is his point. Now, I understand how, to me, it makes me trust him more. You're being completely open and honest with me. Every other politician lies. And even if you don't seem as convicted as them, I trust you more for giving me that honesty. And maybe that's why it wins. But I think his point is just

Not good or bad. I've just never seen that done before, and it works, and he didn't think it would work. That's very well. And that might be to Trump's detriment. It could be. I mean, it is one of those very, it's a very unique thing. Yeah. If you look at border crossings, just by example, whether you agree with it or you don't, but if you look at

before the election will come out and say, you've got to have a secure border and you've got to keep it tight and I'm the one to do it. And I mean, just like deny this, this piece of reality, it will happen. So already doing it with inflation. And those are just some of the things that Republicans aren't ready for. Like the Republicans are all going to have their jaw dropped. Like make no mistake, the plan is already in place. They're going to find a woman roughly 30 days before the election that Trump sexually abused outside of

of the China Club in 1988. And she didn't tell anybody and there's no witnesses, but by God, you have to believe her. Really? And it's like, for sure, for sure this will come out. And it's one of those things, and the Republicans won't do that. Not only will the Republicans not do it, they won't be ready for it when it happens. They stand there and go,

I watched the debate between Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom. And Ron DeSantis, who was very ready for debates and a very educated man, was not ready for Gavin Newsom to flat out deny reality. To flat out say, I've never done that. Or to flat out take something that he did and turn to Ron from the live TV and go, and I can't believe you...

And there's really not a way out of that if you're wrong. To go, wait a minute, that's your record. That's not mine. It's like, no, that's not how it works. Nobody's paying attention except you two. There's just a crowd that is judging this moment. And Gavin came up there and ran the stage. Gavin will run them all out of power. Really? Nobody can touch Gavin. Wait, really? No, there's nobody. Right.

Why? No current politician can touch him. He is the best politician in the country. Why? Well, he was raised from day one. I mean, they had him to be, you know, at eight years old is when they started training him to be president. And is he the nephew of Nancy Pelosi?

he is the nephew of Nancy Pelosi. And I'll just share with you, like there was a very likely scenario down the road where it's Gavin Newsom versus Don jr. Yeah. And the finals. Yeah. In the general. Yeah. And, uh,

I don't think Don Jr. got it like his dad. Yeah, well, and maybe not. But I think he does. I think that he's really got it. I thought he was the breakthrough star, in fact, of 16. If you remember in 2004, Barack Obama was the breakthrough star. Nobody even heard of him. He was a first-term senator, and he was the one that was really running and lit it up. And sure enough, took out Hillary and got elected the next two terms. But I'm just sharing that...

I could see Junior and Newsome in the finals, and Junior's current wife used to be married to Newsome. Yes. It would be an interesting— Kimberly Guilfoyle. Yeah, it would be an interesting piece of the story. Oh, wow. For drama. You're set on this WWE story right here. It would be fun. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Junior's a shark, though. I think he surprised everybody. I think that the old man wanted Ivanka. Do you want to know a funny Guilfoyle story? Yeah, I do.

Is it polite? This is Junior's wife we're talking about here. This is very polite. This is self-admitted from her. I had a bit back in the day about... Teleportation. No, no. Trump grabbing the girl by the pussy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a funny bit. You can go look it up online. I'll have to redo the bit here. But it was in his defense, obviously. And I noticed once... This is a bit I did a long time ago. And I'm on Instagram. I notice...

Kimberly Guilfoyle likes the bit. I get notified, right? And I'm like, oh, shit, Kimberly Guilfoyle. Oh my God, that's Trump Jr.'s son. And then it said, Kimberly Guilfoyle followed you from that joke. And I was like, wow, what a woman to see the joke defending Trump, grabbing women by the pussy and be like,

I need to follow this guy. Yeah. Sure. I need to see what else this guy's got. Sure. She's locked it. She's 100% committed to the Trump family. I like that story. I'm glad that you told that story. That had me a little nervous at first. I get it. All right. I mean, doesn't she have the dirt on Newsom, though? Yeah, you would sure think. I can't imagine that she would bring that out. And I wouldn't respect it if they did.

Like, have you ever been around the guys and then the guys start showing you like a text message of some girl and she like sent them a dirty text and then he's showing it to you?

I don't like that guy. That was a private thing. I don't know. It's just one of those things. And if she did bring up the dirt on Newsom, I actually wouldn't want to hear it. Really? I mean, I would think that's unsportsmanlike. Yeah, that is private. That was in the confines. She would know. It's unsportsmanlike. That would be a dirty thing to do, and I would be disappointed. I realize that's funny. Yeah, that's funny. I mean, it feels like out of bounds. So you're against honeypots, like if a hot girl tries to seduce a guy to get secrets.

yes oh yeah yeah i would yes i would think that that would be unless it's an intentional ruse if it's intentional as a gamesmanship or is it still because i'll need some time to think about that they don't do that back in westland i don't know i don't know i don't know the prettiest girls in the world are in westland i don't know about the girls out here the desperate girls in new york nuclear secrets got taken by honey sure yeah it's an israeli woman yeah

I'm sorry for the insensitivity we might have said with the word gay earlier. I didn't see the fingernails. I didn't. That didn't. Yeah, now you got to do the best to roast up my fingernails. I respect that. I respect that one. You guys have been trying to get rid of me for 20 minutes. Can you wrap it or what do we do here? How do we, you know? Jail Sondon, everybody!