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Join us for that. It's a little bit of fun. Now, as you know, I've been spending some time, thankfully, around Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard as this election campaign advances. And as you know, too, it's my personal belief that if you're interested in attacking existing institutions that amount to the edifice behind which corporatism, globalism and the deep state masquerades, and I think that the Democratic Party now
are the party of war, are the party of big corporations. Used to be the Republican Party, seems that it's the Democrat Party now. During the Iraq War, didn't think that George W. Bush was a great guy. Now, Kamala Harris, it seems to me, is a cipher for the same interest that George W. Bush was. Let me know in the comments and chat if you'd agree with that. Here's Joe Rogan saying that Bobby Kennedy cleaning up health will be the best thing that could happen for America.
americans totally illegal what do you think what do you think about uh... are of case possibly get men to uh... investigate all that i think would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the united states if you really care about health
I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it. A lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications. And I don't think we're being told the truth. And I think there's a reason why other countries...
multiple other countries have banned food elements, food like ingredients that we use all the time. These red dyes, they had all these health experts testify and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives, they were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is and like an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables, it's ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops.
We're all just consuming these poisons. There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water. Oh, keep your teeth closed. You don't want cavities. It doesn't make any sense. And we've been doing it forever. I actually don't want cavities as a matter of fact.
but fluoride does cause plaque to form in your brain, I heard. Alright guys, we're going to join Dr. Asim Malhotra now to talk about his film, First Do No Farm. If you're on Awake and Wonder, our interview with Bobby Kennedy is already up for you to watch on Locals right
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But before that, well, actually simultaneous to it, here is my conversation with Dr. Asim Malhotra. See you in a second. Asim Malhotra, thank you so much for joining us and congratulations on your new film. First, Do No Farm. Thank you, Russell. It was a historic day, I think, yesterday. Well, let's hope it becomes a historic day.
It's a great time for you to come out hard against Big Pharma. I know this is... I want to firstly congratulate you on the incredible work you've done. I feel that when we first communicated, you were almost still primarily a doctor. Now you're a filmmaker, an activist. You are very much established among the firmament of significant voices that oppose Big Pharma and their corruption. And now with this film, you have created...
an object that all of us can now learn from and observe that lays out clear arguments against the psychopathy of the pharmaceutical industry. You had a successful Leicester Square premiere last night. You've got a big Washington premiere coming up, I believe, on
On Thursday, what an exciting time for you. In spite of the fact that most of the stuff you talk about is pretty difficult to withstand and bear, and the circumstances that you entered into this space are definitely rather tragic. At this point, you must at least be considering that there have been many successes that have grown out of it.
Thanks, Russell. Yeah, to be honest, as I said in my intro yesterday for the audience that gathered there, that I honestly just see myself as a medium for a message in the sum of my influences. And a lot of those influential people and people have been very supportive in this movement that I've been part of. We're all there yesterday. I think what's really interesting, though, Russell, as well, before we get into the content of the film, you know, we had some very big names that turned up and have already started coming.
sharing social media posts and, and, and really positive, amazing reviews of the film from the likes of, you know, Britain's leading, uh, female film director for the last 10 years, Gurinder Chadha, who was, you may be familiar with some of the work, Bend It Like Beckham. Wow. Vice Roy's house. We had Anthea Turner. We had Annabelle Croft. We had Holly Candy. We had Pat Cash. You know, we've got people across, uh, you know, the spectrum of even media. And at the moment, Russell, extraordinary, uh,
complete media blackout on this and the people who are helping us with a PR side in one of the best PR you know organizations in the country they are shocked they're wondering what what the heck is going on but I will tell you this Russell I've been in this position before and
Always think outside the box. We're a global community. We have different media to get the information out. We have a huge impact, incredible impact, if you like, through your channel and what you do. But what I've done is in the next few hours, I've been told that this is going to hit the mainstream news of India, the largest news
democracy in the world, the most populous country in the world, their mainstream media is going to do a very positive take because the head of the Indian Press Association was at the film yesterday. So I think if anything, you know, at the very least it will embarrass the British press. I think they need to be reporting on it because this is, in my view, the most important
documentary that really goes in depth into the root cause behind the NHS crisis, behind the pandemic of chronic disease. And as you know very well, Russell, this all comes down to ultimately the excesses of corporate capitalism and also how it is in the culture of human beings where people can't even, people are afraid to speak out. I had, I won't name these people because, you know, I have a relationship with them
you know, in terms of a medical setting. But I would say to you, and you can figure this out, three of the most famous influential women in the world were due to come to the screening yesterday. And in the last few days, last few weeks, they all pulled out because they were scared of getting smeared by the mainstream media. We're going to have a quick message from one of our sponsors now. We can't make this content without their support. Stay with us for this brief message.
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It is scary, though. I can understand why people have that fear. Let's face it. What's been created is a kind of interconnected set of interests that are able to control the information space. When you consider something like the Kamala Harris, Oprah Winfrey interview and the cavalcade of stars that came out, it struck me as odd that with the Diddy allegations, with the Epstein
revelations with our sense that celebrity itself is a somewhat corrupted space that it still maintains a degree of merit and value within the milieu that it feeds into the challenge comes when like you were seeing you try to see if you can cross pollinate these two very distinct worlds i'm impressed that in your film there you have bobby kennedy who's amazing callie means who i just adore that
Jay Bhattacharya, the incredible man, and Vandana Shiva, who I consider to be borderline saintly as a matter of fact. And what I believe is emerging is a kind of new cultural space that is allowing, at least in the minds of many, that celebrity world to atrophy in a
way I'm sort of surprised that you even bothered to hold a Leicester Square premiere with its allusions to that former world and what that once meant I've attended Leicester Square premieres of course and it's
i find it interesting myself when i aspire to allude to or i'm still seduced by the artifacts of a culture that even your anecdotal beginning to our conversation demonstrates is entirely co-opted the free women that couldn't come they can't come because of the power of big pharma and other corporate media interests the reason it's not been promoted yet is because of the power of pharma and like there might
be individual editors who go, no, I don't want to do this because, you know, I see Mel Hotchkiss as a crank and a crackpot. That's the reason why we're not covering this film or the reason we're reporting these stories on Russell Brand is because these are legitimate and necessary stories. They don't even know.
what they're participating in perhaps if they did know they wouldn't participate in it so confidently but when you look at what's covered in your film which ultimately were people to take the contents of your film and we'll look at the trailer in a minute seriously and i would urge you to take the contents of your film very seriously if you're watching or listening to this
you would have to conclude that the pharmaceutical industry globally, not just in the United States of America, but in our country, it requires such a significant investigation and reckoning that it would be unrecognizable were justice done by the end. Is that a fair assertion, Asim?
Absolutely, Russell, 100%. It's interesting you also raise a point about, you know, some people or editors saying, oh, you can't, you know, we can't do anything on this movie, even though, you know, we've got some of the most credible experts in the world, from the editor of the former editor of the BMJ, a giant in medical publishing, saying you cannot trust what's in the medical literature or implying that. You have no skepticism around it. Extraordinary stuff. Right.
But, you know, it's interesting about the crackpot stuff because one very well-known TV presenter who came yesterday, and good on her, she said, you know, she had some discussion with a show that she was doing this morning. And she said to the people, listen, I can't have the chat tonight because I'm going to a Seymour Hotchriss premiere. And the person who spoke to is also another well-known TV presenter, said, what do you mean, a Seymour Hotchriss conspiracist?
- But this presenter who was coming to the film was so disgusted, she said, "You know what? "I'm not doing your show tomorrow," and basically gave the proverbial two fingers to them, so good on her. But where does this come from? Is this new? Russell, it's not new. I mean, it was Malcolm X who said, you know, the media can turn, I think, a saint into a demon and a demon into a saint.
Martin Luther King people, you know, way more influential who did way greater things that I'm doing. I'm again, I'm just a media for message. You look back through history, you know, when a lot of people don't know this, I said this on the Stephen Bartlett show, I didn't make the final edit. But what I said to Stephen is that they do know that Martin Luther King was one of the most hated men in America before he died. He was shocked and no, why was that? So this is guy who already had the Nobel Peace Prize. And the reason became one of the most hated men in America is that he was one of the first people to speak out against the Vietnam War.
The press turned on him and he started getting accused of treason. Martin Luther King could deal with that. That wasn't the issue. What was so damaging to him and sent him to clinical depression was his own friends, Russell, turned on him because the media started portraying him in that way. So this is standard, but it tells you that we are living under a form of tyranny. And as Jordan Peterson eloquently says, you know, tyranny emerges when people are afraid to say what they think.
When you have something to say, silence is a lie. And when everybody lies all the time, the tyranny is complete. But what's the antidote? The antidote is a truthful message coming from a place of values that resonates with people, that is beyond comprehension, beyond rationality. And that's what we are doing, Russell, right now. And I'm still hopeful as we move forward with the ripple effect that eventually we will break the mainstream. We just have to keep moving forward.
We're going to leave YouTube now. You're going to have to click the link in the description. Dr. Haseem Malhotra talks about the pandemic. He talks about profits. He talks about fines. He talks about the stranglehold, the asphyxiation, the suffocation that many people in the public eye experience, whether that's through smearing or fear or fear of social rejection when it comes to people that are still in sort of important celebrity positions that
comes along with operating in this space. Click the link in the description and join us. Back to the conversation, Dr. Asim Malhotra.
In your film First Do No Farm, how do you demonstrate that health has been commodified and exploited in the last 20 years? Why has that happened? How can you prove it? And is this a phenomena that extends beyond America and into a country like ours where we feel that we have better regulation and we're not so steeped in commodity? For example, in the UK, you're not
as likely to find and here's the news presented by Pfizer that's not like a sort of a British trope so the question is how has health been commodified and exploited in the last two decades how can you prove it and is it global and if it is global you know maybe the IPA there the Indian Press Association won't be so ebullient as you might anticipate because I feel like India are pretty tied up into the pharmaceutical industry at this point but I'd love to hear your response to that first question mate
Yeah, absolutely. So it is a global issue, Russell. If I was to summarize it in one line, medical knowledge is under commercial control, but most doctors don't know that. So we have a pandemic of misinformed doctors and misinformed patients and unwittingly harmed patients based upon a number of factors that are the roots of why patients are getting information and doctors are getting information differently.
from biased and corrupted research. So research that's funded because it's likely to be profitable, not beneficial to patients, you know, bias reporting in the media, bias reporting in medical journals, commercial conflicts of interest, an inability of doctors to really engage in informed consent because they don't understand and then communicate health statistics. You add it all up, it is an absolute mess. And what does that mean? Essentially everything, almost everything invariably that hits patients
the consultation with doctor and patient has been corrupted to the degree where side effects, where safety and benefits of drugs are grossly exaggerated.
And we show that in, you know, through layers through the film. And at the root of it, Russell, just to put it in very basic terms, is that we have the interests of big pharma and big food, because we cover a lot of the issue around the food industry, too, are purely there to make money. Their legal obligation is to produce profit for shareholders, not to look after your health. But the real scandals are that those who have a responsibility to
to patients and scientific integrity, namely doctors, academic institutions, and medical journals, collude with industry for financial gain, and the regulators fail to prevent misconduct from industry. Why is that? Let me give you some cold hard facts. Regulator in this country, MHRA, gets 86% of its funding from pharma. The FDA gets 65% of its funding from pharma. So those interests which are pathologically self-interested to make money, big corporations, has now infiltrated pharma.
into the consultation room. There is no independent verification of data coming from pharma. And that's one of the low hanging fruit bits in the movie that comes out is that if we are to move forward, if we are to, you know, fix healthcare,
We need to remove commercial distortions of the scientific evidence. And we can do that. And with one piece of legislation from now on, although drug companies can develop drugs, they should no longer be allowed to test them themselves. They have to be independently evaluated. And if the drugs are really good, Russell...
If they do what they say that they claim to do, then they should have no fear for their drugs being independently evaluated. And of course, everybody loses because you think, hold on, in the short term, of course, big pharma are making money. But actually, there is no real innovation going on if their business model is fraud and they're not even engaging in developing really good, new, important drugs. And we see that. The facts are very clear. You know, only about less than 10% of new drugs that have been manufactured in the last two decades are
truly clinically significant in terms of better than previous drugs. Most drugs are copies of old ones and probably double the amount of drugs, certainly from some data we've seen that are innovative, are actually proven to be more harmful. So what is the conclusion, Russell? In my view, very clear, the overall net effect of the pharmaceutical industry on society is a hugely negative one.
Unfortunately, I will say this, and it sounds very controversial. Most doctors, first and foremost, I believe, are well-intentioned and want to do the right thing. They don't realize the information they're getting is being corrupted. But I think if you look at global health, if you look at what's going on in the UK, what's going on in the US, it's going down the wrong direction. And that means, for me, the medical profession needs to take a really good look in the mirror and ask them,
ask themselves, is our net effect on society as a medical profession positive or negative? And unfortunately, Russell, at the moment, the evidence suggests that there's a very strong argument to be made that the overall net effect of the medical establishment on society unwittingly is a negative one. That is pretty shocking stuff.
Yes, it's a shocking conclusion. I enjoyed the way that you described the various tendrils that amount collectively to a chokehold over the various opportunities for gatekeeping and clarity, control over academia, control over big pharma, control over regulatory bodies, control over media. And I also enjoyed your suggestion that an independent regulatory body, when it comes to media,
medications, new medications would stymie the attempt to sort of keep putting out old hits. I was pretty astonished to learn that by your reckoning, many drugs that are presented as novel are in fact retreads of old ideas. I mean, I find that pretty appalling when it happens in the entertainment industry. So a remake of that film, Arthur aside, that needed remaking. But it seems like we've come up with some new drugs. Don't just go back to the old drugs of yesteryear, particularly as we're sort of all of us have had to become
Amateur pharmacologists, when it comes to the condemnation of white label medications that may have been effective during the pandemic period, but their efficacy had to be diminished, negated, overruled in order for the mRNA experiment to continue as was plainly required by
notably at least for profit, but there may be yet more behind that story. Now, you say that big pharma has infiltrated every aspect of the health care system. In the US, such things are kind of obvious. It's explicitly for profit model. Front and center are all these big pharma drugs, every commercial break, every news show, every article.
aisle it's entered into the sort of the great paradise for consumerism America in an extremely vivid lurid and obvious way but even when you're in a hospital in our country it's shocking to see how the how evident the
private interests are in an ordinary hospital ward. You would sort of look at PPE equipment, tissues, sheets, catering. It's like it's just crept in like a fog, a suffocating fog with the obvious attempt to, it seems to me, strangulate public medicine and public health care. How is it that even in a country like the UK where, you know, when in our country you hear about an MP saying
took a reported £4,000 in order to... Like, it's always such low numbers of money in the UK. In America, it's like they all own stocks and shares in Pfizer and Moderna. Even though we had those revolving door stories about Moderna, like government officials taking jobs at Moderna. Even though we had sort of massive 10-year schemes of investment into Moderna. Even though in the EU,
We had the peculiar relationship between Ursula von der Leyen and Albert Baller, even though there are sort of outside of America, vivid demonstrations of obvious pharmaceutical corruption, not to mention the pre-pandemic period where it was commonplace and understood whether it was the Sackler family and the opioid crisis or the numerous times that Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer have had to settle out of court for enormous sums of money.
because of medical negligence or pharmacological ineptitude, it's somehow during the pandemic period, they once again, through some marketing endeavour that I still am baffled by, managed to reframe themselves as a beneficial, you know, net positive to gain, say, your earlier assertion when it comes to the wellbeing of the planet's population. How have they infiltrated every aspect of the healthcare? How has that happened? What's the proof of that?
Yeah, so it's, I mean, it's increasing both visible and invisible power over time, Russell. And I think, you know, they have done it because their primary interest, obviously, to make profit for their shareholders from a drug company's perspective. And I got this pretty much verbatim.
from the CEO of AstraZeneca when I debated him in the Cambridge University Union 2019. And the motion put forward is why I was opposed. I was asked by the BMJ, the British Medical Journal to be part of a team of three people to oppose the motion from AstraZeneca, which is we need more new drugs. But what they were effectively saying is we need more people to be taking more drugs.
And what does that mean? And the ideal scenario, Russell, from them, from a financial perspective, is if they could, they would get our kids or babies on lifelong medication, right, since birth, so that they can make more money and
But what they would do is the next stage of that is not just a recommendation. If they could, they'd get it mandated. And we've seen news reports only a couple of weeks ago in the Daily Mail, I think, saying that 15-year-old kids to be recommended to take statins to slash heart attack rates. And I was like, this is absolutely appalling. This is unbelievable. But this is their...
Self pathologically self-interested way. So what the way they do it, Russell, to answer your question is they do it by changing the law, by influencing politicians, by simultaneously influencing the media. They also have something in place called opposition fragmentation, where people basically challenge their dare I say bullshit.
they will do everything they can to smear those individuals, suppress that information because they want to keep the conflict hidden. They don't want a conflict going to the mainstream because if conflict goes into the mainstream, those people who are speaking for a place of values and truth, they're going to win. They don't want that to happen. So they do everything. So for example, I have been a victim of this for a decade. I even, the sugar industry went after me in the beginning when I came out in 2012, 13, saying sugar is a major issue and I was called a quack and whatever else. And of course, eventually we threw our first documentary film I made.
We managed to influence and bring the sugar drinks tax in because it premiered in the UK parliament. So there are ways through this, but this is what they do. Yeah, it's brilliant. I was unaware of your earlier work with sugar, even though I'm sure we must have touched on it previously. You got some big hitters there in that movie. You know, I can see how with someone like Cali Means contributing, you could establish the kind of intention to create patience for life, dependency for life back.
leading to pharmaceutical requirements. With the contributions of Bobby Kennedy and your earliest astonishing insight into the intention to prescribe statins to teenagers, it's difficult to imagine that you didn't touch on
mandated vaccines and increased vaccine programs for children if Bobby Kennedy was a participant. Recently, Bobby talked about the sort of... Again, this is a story you can barely talk about. You might as well sort of wave a swastika around as to say that it appears that there is some evidence that there's a causal relationship between
The vaccine program, such as it stands in the United States of America. Let's just confine it to that for now. And autism. How do you cover a subject like that in your film?
We deliberately, and I'll tell you why, we didn't touch the vaccine issue at all because we still feel, and I thought in terms of what's going on, and on a reflection of the talks I've been giving around the world, going talking about the vaccine issue, is people need to walk before they can run. So when I give my lectures, and I've given lectures to even completely indoctrinated doctors one way on the COVID vaccine being safe and effective, and I can say this with my hand on my heart, by the end of my talk,
completely changed her view, right? But I've got there by talking them through the system beforehand. So for example, John Ioannidis, I mentioned briefly in the film, he's cited the Stephen Hawking of medicine, in my view, most cited medical research and word professor of medicine and statistics at Stanford. 2006, Russell, he wrote a paper, which is the most cited downloaded medical research paper in the world. It was called Why Most
medical research findings are false, right? Richard Horton, editor of Atlanta 2015, wrote an editorial saying that half of the medical publishers may simply be untrue. Science has taken a turn towards darkness. Who's going to take the first step to clean up the system? So we have to take people through a journey of understanding the system first. I think once they get to that, by the end of the film,
I think the penny will drop that they should at least ask questions on the vaccine at the very least. But one of the people in the film, you know, we've got a lot of credible people who is an absolute giant in terms of medical credibility and no doctor is going to be able to ignore. And I think it's going to be very, very hard for the mainstream press to criticize her is the former editor in chief of the BMJ.
Fiona, Dr. Fiona Godley. And she's absolutely, she's very powerful in the film. And she alludes to the fact that medical research, what's published in medical journals needs to be treated with skepticism. And what most doctors don't know, Russell, is that medical journals are businesses and they take millions often from big pharma.
So they have also been captured, Russell. This is the other issue. So there's no public funding of many of these institutions anymore. And the reason why that's important is when things were publicly funded and people can ask about where the money is going to come from in a second, you know, you get...
With governments in place that are doing their duty for the public, it's there to serve the public. You get greater independence, greater scrutiny, for example. And over time, what's happened because of political ideology, where we've talked about the market functions best if we let it be free, and that means we start commodifying healthcare, education, et cetera. You know this very, very well. Actually, the evidence suggests, forget about ideology for a second. Those institutions, those institutions
I would say basic rights of human beings, if you like, they then get corroded and corrupted. And then you have a basically a health and mental welfare mess. And that's where we're at. So these are the things that people need to try and understand. And of course, coming back to one of the counters that may come say, Dr. Mahajan, I've been asked this in talks before. If you don't get private funding of, say, the regulators in this country for medicines, who's going to fund them? The government don't have any money.
Russell, the money is there. It's just in the wrong place. We're talking about these big corporations who've got maybe a trillion dollars hidden in tax havens. Not just that. I'm not against people making money doing the right thing, but their business model is fraud. So we've got a situation where essentially we are robbing the poor and giving to the rich. And this needs to change.
Bobby Kennedy said that on day one, in the event that the Maha, part of the MAGA movement, comes to government, he will begin a top-to-bottom analysis of FDA corruption, of Anthony Fauci's actions, of what went on in the pandemic. In a sense, the pandemic...
was the pharmaceutical industry's for long Christmas, a giant festival of profit opportunity accompanied by censorship, control of information, smearing of vocal successful opponents. It amounted to a bonanza too for governments who are able to legitimately impose authority that would have previously been
unthinkable. It's into this environment that Dr. Asim Malhotra's new movie, First Do No Farm, comes. Let's have a look at the trailer and discuss whether or not during this post-pandemic period we could have a legitimate conversation about reigning in the pharmaceutical industry and its terrifying power. Between 2003 and 2016, fines imposed on large pharmaceutical companies...
For fraud and other illegal activities amounted to $33 billion. You have to do something. We are considered acceptable collateral damage. We're talking about many millions of people killed by research fraud in America.
medical science between 40 and 60 000 americans died so this is like approximately equal to the number of americans who died in the vietnam war died from taking phyox we need to apply quite a big dose of skepticism to the medical literature they know they might get a million dollars for example for publishing the trial um and and that i don't really see how you can manage that as a conflict of interest you are going to be obliterated if you take on this position
I effectively lost my job. The thing you care about is I don't want to lose my memory. I want to be able to do the things I normally do in life. That's what Alzheimer's robs you of. The FDA is not going to protect doctors and the public and the insurers and Medicare from this deception about the clinical value of this drug. If you knew, why didn't you do anything? Patient began to verbalize feelings of killing other people and then himself.
They are now out of control as an entity that is purely there to make money. A psychopathic entity. So in a sense that film, your film, can function as if not an opening salvo, a significant strike against the integrity of the pharmaceutical industry, even going beyond what many people will be familiar with that occupy these and visit these kind of media spaces, the events in particular of the pandemic.
Seems to me that it's what you're talking about is a kind of a fully immersive assessment, the kind of apocryphal, not fully proven, but likely Johnson and Johnson, baby talc, potential cancer link stories, the Sackler family, opioids, the various irresponsible promotion of drugs that are known to perhaps
not be effective. In fact, when I look at SSRIs and some of my friends that take them and deviations from them, looking at their lists of potential side effects, it seems that that industry too is one that needs some pretty bloody considerable scrutiny. So what kind of reckoning is required? Is it a day one reckoning such as Bobby Kennedy is talking about?
Yeah, 100%, Russell, enough is enough. I mean, the movie also covers the pandemic of chronic disease and the obesity epidemic. I mean, that's where I really started my journey to understand what was the root of all of that. And we've got these new drugs for weight loss now, which are giving, you know, every person under the sun is on this for weight loss, Zempik. And we go into detail and explain how problematic those drugs are. We've got an Alzheimer's drug that's been approved by a regulator in this country where the clinical evidence shows that for women,
and these are two thirds of people who have Alzheimer's disease, actually has a negative effect. I mean, this is just absolutely criminal what's happening and it needs accountability. But for me personally as well, I think what was very frustrating is that pre-pandemic on three occasions, being aware of what was going on and the increasing power of Big Pharma, I tried to call for public inquiries and I got this at the time in the mainstream media. I got it through the mail online and the BBC, BBC News.
and a separate year I got it through the Guardian, and then I got it to the front page of the Eye newspaper when I gave a talk in the European Parliament with somebody who attended the film yesterday, by the way, just to give you an idea of the credibility of the people that were there and the feedback, the former, the past, present, and the royal college physicians, and the personal physician to the royal household, Sir Richard Thompson, who emailed me today and said, what a marvellous film. You know, so our route through this is
You've got to be strategic as well. Disseminate the information to as many people as possible. Taking it to Capitol Hill on Thursday. Senator Ron Johnson has seen it. He loves it. And we're hosting for... We've already got, you know, scores of policymakers and experts coming to that.
has been approved to be screened in the US Senate and then hopefully hit America hard through the mainstream and get as many people as possible watching this. And that's how we change things. That's how we change the system, Russell. Yeah, it's just as visible as Gandhi would say.
Yes, well, it's difficult to dispute that. The trailer starts with the assertion of the significant number that the pharmaceutical industry have paid out in fines. When even...
even when they've captured their own regulatory bodies, even when they have favourable relationships with governments, they're still clearly culpable of such egregious acts that these fines are being doled out. How is that not having more of an impact?
Yeah, great question. So I think two reasons. One, not enough mainstream media coverage of it when it happens. So, for example, there is a case which has already been proven that a cardiologist from the Netherlands called Dan Poldermans had fabricated data on scores of research articles on the use of a very specific indication, beta blocker drugs that slow the heart rate down for people undergoing psychosis.
surgery, which isn't related to the heart, under the understanding that it's going to improve their outcomes, improve their survival. It turns out it was completely fraudulent. And an independent analysis later on, when he was fired from his university, found that because of his fraud over a number of years, which influenced European Society cardiology guidelines, 8,000 people may have been killed, excess deaths. That's one person, Russell.
One person who's been found guilty of fraud, Peter Wilmshurst, who's a very eminent whistleblower behind even the formation of something called the Committee of Publication Ethics in medical journals. He says, if you take that example and everything else we know in medicine, there's no doubt millions of people have probably been killed by fraud conducted in medical science.
But it's not something that's being constantly talked about in the mainstream. So that's one issue. The other issue is when these fights happen. One example is what happened with Vioxx, which John Abramson talks about, an anti-inflammatory drug. Merck were fined almost $1 billion in 2011 because they hid data showing that it would increase the risk of heart attack and stroke at least two to fourfold. And 60,000 Americans died as a result of this.
The chief scientist who knew about this and internal emails that came out in litigation process knew about it when it was being marketed and said, it's a shame about this risk of heart attacks and strokes, but the drug will do well and we do well. He got promotion.
You know, because ultimately what happens is the cost, this is the cost of business. They may have been fined a billion dollars more, but they probably made several billion dollars more in profit. And therefore, still, the overall net effect is positive for them, combined with the fact that there isn't enough mainstream coverage. So just the cycle continues. And, you know, Peter Gershwin, one of the co-founders of the Cochrane Collaboration, said many years ago, you know, if crime pays, you commit more crime.
and that's exactly what we're doing. But Russell, it's not getting better. It's getting worse. We saw that with the, although we don't cover this, you know, why did we have a mandate for COVID vaccine introduced at the end of 2021? By that stage, we knew it wasn't stopping transmission. By that stage, we knew it wasn't, um, it was causing serious harm. Why mandated it at that time? Why did Sajid Javid come out in November, 2021, uh,
with this statement, and this is a time when I went public and tried to overturn and helped overturn vaccine mandates for healthcare workers. I thought there's something fishy going on here. My intuition said, this is coming from Pfizer. I didn't have the evidence at the time. I messaged Sajid Javid. I have many politicians who come to me for medical advice, and one of them gave me his number.
And he said, "Sajid, did this come from Pfizer?" And he basically replied back and said, "Asim, I'd rather not talk about this with you. I will cover this in the COVID inquiry." Later on, investigative journalists in America uncovered that Pfizer in the summer of 2021 started lobbying behind the scenes by giving money to credible grassroots organizations to say, push the narrative that mandates were necessary. So really this is coming from those drug companies.
And what happens is, and we saw this was happened with Vioxx and Merck, is when drug companies find out that their product is harmful, they double down on their marketing, Russell. If that isn't psychopathy, I don't know what is.
It's terrifying. It's terrifying. It's terrifying that when you think that there's not likely to be objective reporting in mainstream, what we call still mainstream media because of their financial relationships and because of a general theme.
fear and attitude around these matters until, you know, I think it's impressive that your film's already had the coverage that it has given their usual reluctance to cover such matters. Then when it comes to social media space, again, staying sort of
at least in examples gleaned from the pandemic, but really all the pandemic did was amplified conditions that were evidently present and matters that you were tackling prior. You might be aware that, you know, Al Capone and his criminal organisation are having an impact in Chicago. If you then put them in charge of the entire country, obviously then you're going to see more
beatings and executions and murders and endemic practices that are just institutional, shall we say. Zuckerberg admitted that a meta was pressured to censor COVID-19 content and indeed did.
We know that government agencies in the United Kingdom that previously been deployed to crush and control dissent in the Middle East and groups like ISIS terrorist organizations, the same AI and non-government groups were used to control, deamplify, shadow ban, censor, populate comments with bots, with popular commentators that were talking about the pandemic and issues related to the pandemic. And again,
now we know that the kind of information that's being censored was true the kind of hypocrisy that came to the forefront is beautifully uh explored or at least exposed in steven crowder's recent story about new york city's covid czar jay varma we covered this story earlier in the week is i suppose somewhat fascinating because he was a
czar of COVID and he was attending sex parties and stuff and it all becomes pretty lurid but there were so many stories of political figures that were making injunctions against ordinary people travelling or making you know suggesting mandates or near mandates for the medications or proposing various somewhat
in retrospect, arbitrary measures when it came to social distancing, lockdown, masks, etc. This period of ongoing revelation, I think, requires the additional context of a film like yours, First Do No Farm, in order for us to get the idea that this is not a blip. It's not like, you know, because what's being pushed now, I notice, is, well...
you know, people talk about malinformation and misinformation and how it should be censored, but no one's going back and saying to Rachel Maddow, and I've just chose that example sort of somewhat at random and said, hey, that was misinformation when you said if you get the vaccine it stops with you. That,
is also something that could apply to many, many politicians in our country and in the United States of America. So we also additionally know that the category of misinformation and malinformation does not objectively mean information that is untrue or...
information that could be harmful it means information that we do not sanction so it's been such a revelatory period and what is revealed is that you cannot trust bureaucracies you cannot trust the state you cannot trust the media you can't trust most of social media so i guess we all have an obligation to push your film forward and i wonder if you have any comments on the sort of number of times that hypocrisy has been exposed and if you saw for example the jay varma story stroke expose
Yeah, I did. I mean, I think all these people really are victims of the system. I honestly genuinely believe, Russell, that, you know, the line between good and evil runs down every human heart. But what's happening is because of also this economic system, this corporate capture, we've also corporatized human beings and they've started behaving in ways which take them away from society.
from proper good values. In fact, you know, it's very interesting. There's a lot of research and I come from, I try and do things from an evidence-based perspective. My purpose and role in life is to understand and then spread knowledge to reduce human suffering. And the research even tells you, it's very interesting, that if you are more spiritual, if you place more value on personal growth, on interconnection with others, giving back to the community, you have significantly better psychological wellbeing than people who are more materialistic.
And what does that mean? It also means being free and autonomous where you feel that you can speak the truth. So this is all counterproductive for us as humans. It's taking us away from what it means to be human. And then you get all these sorts of strange behaviors going on where you've got Jay Varma, who is supposed to be in a position of credibility, but clearly his soul has been corrupted to the degree where he completely ignores the only advice he's given and does the complete opposite, probably because he himself is
not in tune with his soul, with himself. He's not acting from a place of real integrity. And these are just symptoms of this failure of our culture, Russell, which is going the wrong way. And we need to bring it back to what it means to be human again.
Oh, my word. Well, that's a sort of a fascinating conclusion to approach because I wanted to talk to you about solutions. And it's curious that as science or scientism has sort of replaced religious orthodoxy as the kind of unchallengeable orthodoxy.
and authority when it comes to how we should live our life. And that's not just obviously in the field of medicine, but also sort of data analysis. Once people can be reduced to data, if Vandana Shiva participates in your film, one of the areas where she...
her analysis is most fascinated and enthralled me has been when she talks about Bill Gates, his pattern in of seeds is a process of reducing nature to information and data, which is in a sense, a reverse alchemy, making all things material, making all things mundane, the desacralization of mystery and the unknowable, which includes the connection bond
honour, valour and duty that exists between all of us and replacing that again with sort of the values of materialism which is a sort of synonym for what can be measured what can be demonstrated and whilst as a doctor and a scientist of course evidence-based arguments are absolutely necessary what we ought be undergirded by are principles that are not derived from
the kind of blunt rationalism that always appears to be utilized to further enthrone corrupt powers and that's become clear over the course of this conversation only certain clinical trials are being undertaken only certain results are being published only certain studies and and indeed scientists are being funded so the claim that this is a objective truth rather than a kind of uh
new, I want to say, hermeneutics, a new corrupted hermeneutics is a bogus one. What we've been granted, given, is a sort of materialism dressed up as science. And I consider it to be, particularly since becoming Christian, evidence of the not only corruption but capture of worldliness by people.
dark forces and if it is ultimately a spiritual problem and i love the way that you analyze the jay varma case and conclude that it's ultimately a spiritual problem if that man was connected to god in a way that was working for him he would not have been susceptible and i
say that as a man that has failed many times and sinned quite a lot then he wouldn't be in a valuable node for the expression of that corruption he would have been someone that might have said well I'm not personally worried I'm having orgies so I don't know if I'm that comfortable offering out these edicts that everyone should stay in their house in fact come over to my place so
um i i agree that what's required is a kind of spiritual awakening now i'm not suggesting that that should become your problem on top of you know creating this excellent film and the brilliant work that you've done over the last 12 10 years now 14 years like so but but how do you feel that these areas in uh face uh seem because ultimately we're talking about values and principles aren't we
I think history gives us hope, Russell. So, you know, in this space, a lot of people are going to get shocked. They're going to get angry. The question is, what is the solution? Of course, spreading that information out to people, getting changing hearts and minds. But, you know, malevolence can turn to compassion. And one of the greatest stories I tell is a story of King Ashoka.
a despotic king of India, and he would torture dissidents, build torture chambers, had molten copper poured down the throats of dissidents to really control the whole of India. And about 200 years after the Buddha's death, he came across a teaching of the Buddha. Somebody, I think, realized that he wasn't in a good place.
and it completely transformed him. So this guy who was almost like a Hitler character was transformed by Buddhism to the extent where he stopped animal sacrifice, he stopped capital punishment, and he sent missionaries
Russell, missionaries outside India spread Buddhism around the world. In fact, Buddhism may not have spread outside India to other countries like China, Japan, the West, if it wasn't for Ashoka. Evil is rooted in ignorance. And what's worth in ignorance is the illusion of knowledge. That means the antidote to that is a greater or the real truth. And that gives us hope moving forward. That's beautiful. How do you propose to spread the knowledge and wisdom showcased in your film,
further and what are some of the intended outcomes you already suggested independent assessment of newly proposed drugs rather than sort of quangos or which is sort of an antiquated british phrase for uh groups that are yes regulation being funded by the industry essentially so that's one suggestion are there do you have others
Yeah, well, of course, you know, the more people that download the film, the better, because it influences more and more people. It creates that kind of, you know, tipping point and this bubble, hopefully, of psychopathic tyrannies will burst. We don't know when that's going to happen. The sooner, the better. But when you speak the truth, you've got to let go of the outcome, as my friend Bobby Kennedy says.
So that's obviously one mechanism disseminating it. I think, you know, getting the, as you said already, removing, having independent regulation of the drugs. I think, you know, I believe in real democracy based upon truth and justice. And I think you will not find any member of the public who would say that they would find this acceptable. The reason that this situation perpetuates itself is because people don't know what's happening, as Doug Chomsky would say.
the general public and I would paraphrase doctors don't know what's happening and they don't even know that they don't know. So this is part of the way of getting this information out so people are more aware. And there are lots of other things that we need to do as well, Russell, for example, on the obesity epidemic issue, which I cover, you know, I've been I'll probably the first person to probably say ultra processed food is a new tobacco. And and that's the predominantly what we're eating. And these are foods that have been, you know, deliberately adulterated
to get us hooked and addicted. And then addiction is the opposite of free will. And then the narrative being pushed by the food industry is it's your responsibility. So it's all very, very dark. But once people understand actually what's going on, they will probably make a stand. And of course, the obesity epidemic is rooted in an environmental problem. These foods have become unavoidable. So it does need intervention by... I know people don't trust government, and rightly so at the moment, but
It's the best mechanism we have in a society to function is to have good, strong governments so they can protect us from excesses of industry, protect us from external aggressors, and actually create environments where everybody can flourish, Russell. And that can't happen unless we have certain structures in place which are underpinned by regulations and laws.
So we're not going to really solve any of these problems until we change the laws that are currently in many ways undemocratic, unethical and unscientific.
Mass regulation for individuals, always opportunities for citizen management, no regulation for global corporations, maximum transparency, no privacy for individuals, maximum privacy for governments who have clandestine relationships. Even the example you gave of approaching a prominent British government minister looked like he'd been subject to sort of
corporate overtures shall we call them there is a kind of inversion that's difficult not to diagnose as a deep spiritual malady across many of our treasures institutions thank you for being the doctor to make these assessments and to point us towards a cure dr c malhotra's film
First, Do No Farm is out now. Go to nofarmfilm.com. There's a link in the description.
Download your copy. Watch it. Proliferate it. Spread it like a virus. Stand within six feet of people. Don't wear a mask. Don't get any booster shots. Spread it giddily and wildly as if you're at a JVARMA COVID sex party. That is my hearty endorsement of this fantastic project from the man I'm proud to call my friend. Thank you, Asim. Thank you, Russell.
Will you be at the Rescue the West event that is taking place? Yes, I'm there. I think I've been given even an opportunity to maybe say a few words. But yes, absolutely. Are you going as well? Russell, you're going to be there, aren't you? Yes, I am. And I'm now going to, using my skills as a broadcaster, put up a poster. One second. There it is. I should like to very much see your head up.
lined up there perhaps next to mine or no perhaps just beneath it so i can have the privilege of peering down on you just for a moment which is not an opportunity i get too often um i seem thank you so much for joining us when you get to dc but with the screenings on thursday evening in in capitol hill so if you happen to be there we'd love to have you at the screening of the film with ron johnson i know ron johnson we spoke to him at the rnc and he was an absolute delight
I'll cut I'll cut me from there thanks a lot thanks a lot thanks for joining us today mate lots of love mate stay in touch take it easy
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