“Trump Is A MAJOR THREAT To The Great Reset” – Dr Robert Malone On the Globalist Agenda – SF493
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Hello there you awakening wonders, thanks for joining me for a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand. We got Dr. Robert Malone for an interview exclusively. And what I'm going to be asking Dr. Robert Malone about is, is Trump going to be the disruption that changes the world? If you don't know who Dr. Robert Malone is, Dr. Robert Malone is an internationally recognized virologist and immunologist and the original inventor of LVM.

mRNA delivery and vaccination technologies. That's why it blew up when he first went on Rogan. His appearance on Rogan was probably the moment when the establishment went, we've got to start censoring and destroying Joe Rogan. Find some things you can say about that guy that's negative. Has he ever said the N-word in a context that we can somehow manipulate to make bad? If he starts advocating for ivermectin, the gig will be

up. Robert Malone was one of the early prophets in the pandemic that helped us to understand that the pandemic was being used to double down on authoritarianism, censorship. He now is an expert in, as we have all got to become, CBDCs and how centralized government

currencies will be used to control you. Surveillance, the censorship industrial complex, the impact on the WHO of the Trump election. Bureaucrats across the world are running scared and this is a conversation that's going to help you understand it. Listen carefully because he refers to a lot of complex stuff like in the Netherlands now they're admitting that the COVID pandemic was a military operation. That kind

J.D. Vance talking about NATO aren't going to get their support if the EU keeps censoring free speech. This is a conversation that will change the way you understand reality, so stay tuned for all of it. Now, we'll be with you on YouTube for about 15 minutes, but because YouTube and Google are part of the trusted news initiative to which Dr. Malone refers, that's the set of organizations that ensure there is a harmonized, consider that word, harmonized response to crisis that...

And particularly when there are attacks on people, the TNI includes the BBC, numerous massive giant American news organizations and big tech organizations to ensure that if there's a pandemic, everyone reports in the same way. YouTube's part of that. Remember when Caroline Dynage, the government minister in charge of social media back then, demanded I be demonetized, YouTube complied. In this conversation, organically, her name comes

up because she's married to Mark Lancaster, the head of the 77th Brigade, one of those shady, nefarious organizations that monitor and control online information and engage in citizen management. By the end of this conversation, your eyes will be sparkling. You will be bright

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Individually, we don't have power, but through unity, we are strong as long as we're connected to the right resources and sources. All right, so let's get into our conversation with Dr. Robert Malone. You are gonna love it. Dr. Robert Malone, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for being here, doctor.

Thanks, Russell. It's my honor. You've just done an incredible job building this platform and it's truly an honor to have the opportunity to participate in it. Since you joined us for our Oracles series, which is available on Locals for members of our community or people that want to additionally pay for that brilliant conversation,

The world has changed, obviously, radically, even though that was just a few weeks ago. I wonder, Doctor, how significant you regard the election of Donald Trump to be and how important having someone like Bobby Kennedy in government will be for making the kind of significant changes that appear to be necessary after the pandemic period and what it revealed.

Just to be specific for audience members,

that are perhaps not as au fait with these subjects as you are, which would mean all of our audience and perhaps most people in the world. What I mean is how during the pandemic it was revealed that there was a new orthodoxy around big pharma and that because of the convergence of interests that facilitated profits for pharmaceutical companies, the ability to regulate and control for the state, the ability to censor and therefore increase the power of big tech, what

What was revealed to us, I suppose, was a kind of cross-section snapshot of how globalism operates now. How will that type of globalism, not just relating to health, but of course relating to health, be impacted, do you imagine, by the ascendancy of figures like Trump, Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance, who sort of have an

odd blend of free market capitalism within them, libertarianism within them, anti-establishmentism in the form of RFK. What do you think that's going to be the impact on the type of bureaucracy and sets of powers that I've done my best to outline in the question? So that bureaucracy is really well entrenched and it's going to be very difficult to modify and displace it. The

You talk about the ascendancy of Donald Trump. This is Trump, too, remember? And based on the electoral results, the case is well made, I think, that there was significant election interference in the prior. If nothing else, then the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story. But the data suggests that there are unaccounted excess votes in the prior election cycle that are paradoxical.

In terms of this opportunity that Trump and J.D. Vance have right now, they're

Already having an impact clearly and I was just reading prior to this a excellent op-ed from Mary Harrington at UnHerd in which she was talking about a lot of this. I want to give credit where credit's due and speculating about the already building impact on many European center-right movements.

And particularly she's selected out Giorgia Maloney that this may open up new opportunities for her in terms of political flexibility and may really shift some of the dialogue in the center-right populist movements across Europe and particularly the European Union. The discussion about changing status in NATO

is something that I've advocated for. I spoke about at the Make Europe Great Again conference in Romania. And to, you know, that discussion about the limitations of NATO and its increasing

Irrelevance I think on you know globalized multilateral world that we're in right now is Consistent with this Ongoing dialogue. What is NATO? What are its real? Functions, what should it be doing? The discussion is that there might be a prohibition on Ukraine joining NATO for up to 20 years as part of a settlement but

getting out of the weeds and focusing more on the big picture that the reaction that seems to be coming across from many of these groups that are closely aligned with what I'm calling the New World Order because that's the term that's been used now for decades, including by George Bush that there the appearance is that there is a sense of significant

fear and loathing trepidation as expressed in part by Yuval Harari himself who is really kind of speaking in apocalyptic terms that they're planned great reset Yuval Harari for the audience being the science officer behind the World Economic Forum and the author of

whole thread of books that are taught in academia that purport that God is dead and man is God basically and and talk about transhumanism etc so Harari seems to be saying that this is this Trump ascendancy is a major obstacle to achieving the great reset and the long-planned

moves to advance the various agendas of the World Economic Forum Which are closely aligned now through treaty as I understand it with United Nations. So Then then this response by Tedros almost immediately after the election was fascinating He seems to be distancing himself from what took place. He's very agile politically

So I think in some what the emerging dialogue seems to suggest is that Trump is viewed as a major threat, not only within D.C., but globally to these various longstanding plans to move towards these policies that many of us object to, like.

universal digital ID, central bank digital currency, these various tools that seem to support a globalized government structure. And I applaud that. I think perhaps you might even. So that's what I see is by the reaction of those that have been

um acting in a very kind of unilateral uh entitled way in advancing a non-democratic autocratic agendas having to do with uh centralized uh one world government uh their their reactions indicate that they perceive donald trump and this new administration as a major threat

I think that they may actually be overreacting. I personally, I think that the implementation of policy changes that are being proposed is going to be a lot more of a challenge than many people are

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Link in the description. Join us, get over there. I suppose if there are domestic institutional challenges that make the implementation of policy difficult, that is by definition a diagnosis of failing systems.

That means that even with a mandate, a popularly elected president will not be able to put in place policies that they campaigned on. That's just the domestic side of it. You said a lot that was interesting. For a moment, to bring...

focus to the EU and NATO. It's interesting to learn the bodies that present themselves as logistical, regulatory and managerial are increasingly becoming dictatorial. This is an interesting trend that

that's grown out of social democracies and social democracies' tendency towards totalitarianism, rather than the old 20th century forms of totalitarianism, we're witnessing bureaucracies that take power in ways that are surprising. Because obviously the critiques of the Soviet Union or the critiques of fascism

We're about a totalitarian power that is implemented through terror. This is a new kind of terror that we're experiencing now. And some of the names that you mentioned are indicators of the aesthetic and complexion of this new terror. You vow...

Noah Harari, for example, I've met him. I've interviewed him a couple of times when the book Sapiens, perhaps his most famous and popular book, was a sort of a global hit. I was at the same publishers, I think Penguin is him in the UK, and I did an event with him.

at school. Now prior to me being as well versed as I now am in some of these subjects, thanks to media like this, I was thinking as you were speaking,

Isn't it extraordinary that because of this media, someone like you, who I think 10 years ago would have been regarded as an esoteric academic, who you'd only hear at lecture theaters if you were like an Ivy League university, we can now hear you chatting for three hours a

on Joe Rogan, if your bladder can take it, and we're able to hear your diagnosis on, you know, the kind of academics and intellectuals that the establishment gives us, like Yuval Noah Harari. Now, when I interviewed him at the time, it was at a school in South London as part of a PR stunt to make it seem like what we were doing was super accessible and down with the people. And

Yuval Noah Harari said, so I experienced this firsthand. He said, like the kids here, you know, we're going to be living in a fully automated AI society. So these kids best learn

skills connected with AI and programming. And I, and again, this is some time ago, this is maybe eight years ago, maybe 10 years ago. So me, I didn't know as much as I know now about globalism and the threats and challenges to globalism and the way that globalism is being implemented. Even then, on some intuitive level, I said,

That's not what we should be telling these kids. I said it live. We should be telling these kids to oppose these systems of centralizing authority, that they can stand up against it, that it's not a foregone conclusion, that the future doesn't belong to globalism, that life is in session, the debate is happening now, the war beyond the debate is happening now.

And you also talked about Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who's, for those of you that don't know, I think very high up in the WHO. And we've talked a lot on our show about the WHO treaty and how it was being advanced

Again, some people said it's the Stop Joe Rogan Treaty because built into the treaty were things like social media should be censored if people do not toe the line, as well as stuff like demanding or at least requesting taxes from member nations and requesting that member nations be mandated to take vaccine. It's very interesting, as you say, Doctor, to see Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

backing out of that position now people like you know on our channels and channels like ours people were campaigning and setting up petitions against the who treaty precisely because it was the kind of artifact that suggested there was an appetite to establish global power not in the way that we were familiar with from the 20th century fancy uniforms and terrible genocides but bore

boring uniforms and still potentially genocides, but genocides conducted more diffusely and across populations. I suppose that's not a genocide, but it's still a lot of people dying. It's not a genocide in the strictest sense, but it clearly already is an indication that even if you were to accept Trump's detractors portrait of the man, a misogynist, a racist,

A psychopath, whatever they want to call him, a solipsist, a narcissist.

He clearly is a thorn in the side of this kind of trajectory towards centralized authority, digital management, manageable currencies through CBDCs. And he is a spanner or a wrench in your language in the machine that's clearly got its sights set upon creating absolute control using the language of absolute care.

And you can only justify care of that degree if we are in states of continual crisis, health crisis, military crisis, environmental crisis. If people don't believe that they're in continual crisis, they're unlikely to yield to that kind of authority. So it's interesting that what you say about NATO is that maybe we don't need NATO in the same way we did once.

coming out of the Cold War. Maybe we don't need a World Health Organization if people are inclining towards national sovereignty. And that, as you say, is happening across Europe. And there's just been given a mandate in the United States of America. We can't make this content without the support of our commercial partners. Here's a message from one now. Then we'll be right back with Dr. Robert Malone. The Root brand have launched this fantastic product called CleanUp.

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How important by your reckoning, Doctor, are the kind of independent media spaces that we are in now and through which you've gone from being a very respected academic and scientist to being one of the new pantheon of emergent celebrities that's curiously come about and clearly been so interesting

impactful in this election cycle? How important do you think that social media will be? And do you see signs that that will remain under threat, even in spite of this election result? So Russell, I want to give you a new term that you could look up and consider. It's called inverted totalitarianism. And what you're describing this instead of totalitarianism coming from a single autocratic leader,

Inverted totalitarianism is a concept that this system is emerging from the bureaucracy and that that has become the norm in American government.

So we speak of the deep state, and in particular, we speak of the senior executive service, which are the few thousand people that run the U.S. government, and they are unassailable. It's very, very difficult to fire them. They have functionally their own union. They have their own flag.

They were put in place largely by Carter and then intentionally expanded under Obama. I think about five or six thousand additional slots in SES. So these are the ones that literally run our government.

And that does seem to be a key model if you look at what's going on in the European Union under Ursula with the European Council. That's a very similar kind of system and that is the model in my opinion. That's the metaphor. The European Council and the European Union structure in which nation states are subsidiary to a central authority.

I believe is basically the structural model that the United Nations is promoting. Now, in terms of alternative media, I...

I'm reminded of a report that I read from the Trusted News Initiative about two years ago. And you may recall the TNI is something that's sponsored by BBC. I'm credited by Wiki Spooks as the person who really raised the alarm about the Trusted News Initiative. I don't know if that's really true, but I'll take it. Trusted News Initiative is one of the tools that the BBC has initiated

to manage approved narratives, I think is the best way to put it, globally. And a trusted news initiative, kind of like the GARM agreement that Elon Musk sued, that ties together all the advertisers and harmonizes them. The TNI is intended to harmonize all of the major, what we call corporate media across the world. So, agency from...

press all the European major outlets writers Associated Press New York Times Washington Post and such are they're all part of the TNI of course BBC on and the TNI has a set of rules about on

content which is provided by their members which is not aligned with an approved narrative. So the way that this works is it used to be that you would have a major outlet, let's say Reuters,

publish an article that would then be distributed throughout the Corporate news network. They would all cross post essentially on there these kinds of articles and

And under TNI, they're still allowed to do that. But if a major wishes to publish an article which is contrary to whatever the approved narrative is, then the agreement is that they can do so, but the others won't functionally cross post it. They won't republish it. So it's it drops. You know, the New York Times is allowed to say something editorialize or whatever.

that's contrary to the general thrust of TNI, but then none of the others are supposed to pick it up. So TNI is functionally a trade union that is set up to maintain the primacy, the supremacy of corporate media.

uh and their ability to control the narrative and uh they put out a report a couple years ago that i read in in which they talked about the uh failing corporate media the um drops in viewership the drops in revenue etc and then they had a section in the back talking about new media and the specific uh poster child as you point out

was the Rogan podcast. So they perceive, as you correctly identify, Rogan as the metaphor for new media and the threat that that represents to their business model, because that's how they perceive it. This is a core business model in which they control all information. You know, I talk about this in Cyborg. The goal here is to control all information that individuals can access.

in ways that are consistent with the interests of whoever is driving this, whether it's sponsors, nation states, supernational organizations, etc., such as the World Health Organization. And clearly they perceive

alternative media such as your broadcast as a major threat, which explains once you kind of comprehend that that's the ecosystem, what I've just described, and the structures that are put in place globally, these are transnational structures to tie all these major organizations together,

Then it's no surprise that the likes of you as your viewership started to climb was subjected to a concerted effort to delegitimize. Now, for me, I've experienced that, but at a lesser level. But then, I mean, the stuff they pulled out on you was pretty hardcore. But nothing that either of us have encountered even begins to scrape the surface of what Donald Trump has experienced.

So this ability of these kind of shadowy bureaucrat administrators that we don't even know who they are. And by the way, that's one of the goals in fifth generation warfare is you should not be able to tell who it is behind the messaging. So this is intentional. It's part of the strategy. And remember that fifth generation warfare is a core to the new NATO battle plan, which

which they call hybrid warfare. So NATO specifically acknowledges that this kind of message management control, media control, information control is a core part of NATO battle operations. And they have built a lot of infrastructure in order to do that. Of course, that feeds into this growing narrative, thanks to this Dutch

politician that's disclosed the role of NATO in promoting the COVID crisis. I think the lovely thing about the COVID crisis is that it's, as you say, it's given us a window to see what these mechanisms and structures are and how they operate and how they're intended to be operating in the future.

And again, to loop back to your question, clearly alternative media is a major threat to this. Now X is a major threat. I think that Elon Musk has been radicalized based on, you know, in his own experiences with EU and others in Brazil, etc.

And I don't know that he started off wanting to be the champion of free speech across the globe, but that's the role that he's now thrust into. And X is one example, but the open format podcast is another. And hence, it's no surprise that these tools of censorship are being very actively weaponized, including debanking.

I don't know if you've experienced debanking. Nigel has. I have. The Canadians have. And that is our canary in the coal mine about what is most likely to come down with central bank digital currency. So, yeah, so alt media and this election, I think –

Someone posted the other day on X that Trump is the first podcast president. There's no question that Trump and Kennedy and J.D. Vance and many others in this political sphere have embraced alternative media to great effect.

And it demonstrates the failure of in the in the failing business model of corporate news once again, as does the collapse of viewership for MSNBC. These are American broadcasters, MSNBC and CNN, a global broadcaster. Their their viewership crashed.

In the context of this election and what I'm reading is that MSNBC is now up on the block for sale by Comcast. So this is how we beat them, frankly, is we make their business model obsolete.

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Fifth generation warfare was not a phrase I'd heard before and many of the ideas that you're not alluding to describing have previously only been located in discourse that belongs to sort of

1980s style deep state conspiracy conversations or a cultist analysis of the true nature of the dark power that might be running the state.

When you talk about fifth generation warfare as being diffuse, I'm reminded of something I once heard about the CIA is that functionally the CIA was kind of like a hive that you couldn't locate a center and even not really like a hive in so much as a hive would have a queen bee in it, which you one might locate as it's

and identify as its nucleus. The power was diffuse, that it was a hydra model by nature, that you would never be able to identify the person, one person that's like, "We're doing this, then we're going to do that." I like this idea. The term, it's highly siloed. Highly siloed, inverted totalitarianism. Like that when you

It's interesting because anyone that's experienced the ire and attack of that machine will know that it has this kind of terrifying sort of semi-sanitary Kafkaesque quality of that you cannot identify where it's coming from. That's my intention. It's the intention. Yeah. Because the people that are attacking me in media are

aren't rubbing their hands together saying, "And here we are doing the bidding of the state." They genuinely believe they're undertaking an important investigation into the misconduct of a womanizer who on the surface of it was a party boy having fun. But if you dig deep enough, you will find that there was malfeasance. They probably never stopped to question

Why is it not these celebrities that are having an investigation done into them? Why is it that it's this celebrity

at this time. Why is it that this celebrity didn't have things come out during #MeToo, for example? They're unaware. No cog in the machine even knows it's a cog in the machine. And they're kind of invested in not undertaking that investigation. No one wants to undertake an investigation and learn, oh, like Chomsky said,

to Andrew Marr some time ago when Andrew Marr, a BBC reporter said, "Well, I'm not participating in the agenda of a state propaganda unit." And Noam Chomsky said, "If you weren't already primed, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair."

You've always already happened before you arrived there. You've been pre-chewed. And now I know that about the academics, the rise to the top, the you, you know, someone sees a Steven Pinker, a Steven Pinker dissertation the same way that Serge, Serge Brin and Larry Page were being sponsored by a CIA cutout, even while they were acting.

Stanford or wherever it was that they were and and then they're on the conveyor belt at that point that the system is the intro with a lot of the entertainment industry

Sorry, sir. The same is true with a lot of the entertainment industry. It's not just academics. And to kind of, there's an opportunity to go back and understand the structural underpinnings of this. If you go back to the 50s and 60s, keywords are the great, the grand whirlitzer. There's a book to that effect. And the other one is Operation Mockingbird.

And Operation Mockingbird was partially revealed after congressional investigation, but they pulled their punches. They didn't disclose, for instance, many academic links that existed between the CIA and academe. And I'm very aware of that. I've run into multiple people that exist within academe that are CIA agents, trained as CIA agents, and then placed back into academics.

So this was really well covered by Carl Bernstein in an article in the old Rolling Stone. That's available largely. You have to go to the Wayback Machine or some other alternative source. I don't think you can still get it off of Rolling Stone servers, but because Rolling Stone now has got sold and is compromised, just as the Atlantic Monthly is. But anyway,

Once you understand, and it's documented, the structure of Operation Mockingbird, which was this, and probably still is in operation, the CIA structure in which there was payments made to accredited journalists, as well as, I don't know the language, stringers,

The kind of the second tier people that occasionally write articles and do investigative work for the major publications and their editors. So in terms of the structural change chain of control here, it seems to flow through the editors down to.

individual reporters, including those reporters that are not formally accredited. The reason why I emphasize this is that I think it was under Colby, there was a decision that they would, that CIA would no longer capitalize

the accredited reporting pool, but there was no commitment that they would withdraw their funding from these academics and from the stringers or whatever you call them, the more informalist, informal journalist corps. So once you, this is all fact, it's well documented.

Once you see that and understand that and understand that that structure was never stopped, it was slightly modified in response to public pressure, but it appears to continue into the present. And then, Russell, we have a fantastic document that can be very helpful to people if they want to really understand the structure of these things.

that came out from the energy and commerce committee of this of the house last month in october uh it's a report on a uh the slang is beltway bandit these are the contracting companies that work for the government that are typically located in and around the dc beltway so that's hence the the slang and the company's called forrest marsh and they were paid about 991 plus change million dollars

to operate a propaganda campaign throughout the COVID crisis that, among other things, had a specific objective to increase the level of fear about the virus in order to manipulate or manage human behavior, to be more compliant with government policies. So this is all documented in the House report. It's just fantastic because it lays out the specific commercials

and the contract language that was implemented by HHS, and then the kind of almost daily collusion between in particular Rochelle Walensky, who is the head of the CDC, and this major contracting company to promote all this false messaging that was demonstrated to be false. And this loops back to Tedros' comment, well, the WHO didn't actually force mandates. They didn't actually force these things. Well,

what they did do was they promoted false narratives that were then reinforced informally through a whole series of structures that uh centered very much on censorship defamation delegitimization and all the other tools of modern fifth generation warfare i don't there's the best language for it uh um you know like psychological warfare is another tool another term for this but

But there, you know, we've had Schellenberger and others, if your UK audience is not familiar, you can look them up, that have, and Matt Taibbi, of course, a former Rolling Stone journalist back in the old days, that have documented through the Twitter files, the Facebook files, et cetera, the growth and extent of the surveillance censorship state

structure, which transcends the United States because we have these various alliances, like the Five Eyes Alliance of the intelligence agencies, which is UK, US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. Some of the most heavy-handed COVID responses all came from that. And

You know, credit where credit's due. There's a number of people that have been promoting the thesis that all of this was a military operation. And as we mentioned a moment ago, this is now coming out by

more peripheral nations disclosing that in fact they were pressured into these positions by through their NATO alliance structure. So and we have in the UK, you know, I want to get Andrew Bridgen on my podcast. Maybe you can get him to talking about his own experiences with the 77th Brigade and the mutton crew there in the UK.

77th Brigade was specifically empowered, and we talk about this in the book, the whole genesis of it. It's covered in Wired Magazine, which has strong CIA ties, in the origins of the 77th Brigade as coming out of your UK marketing capabilities and merging with defense capabilities. In the United States, we have a Operation

That is a core. They call themselves the Cywar soldiers. Fantastic recruitment video you can find on YouTube if you want to scare the dickens out of yourself. But, you know, we have we have deep capabilities in the United States, Canada, all these nations in the military.

psychological warfare and this was all deployed apparently according to a variety of press reports from all these countries obtained under freedom of information this was actively deployed against the citizens of their respective nation states under the thesis there had to be a whole of government response so when Tedros says oh my hands are clean I didn't do that oh that's that that is really a contrivance

Tedros, together with the public health infrastructure of those respective nation states, were responsible for distributing what was the approved narrative.

And then that was all reinforced with the logic of misinformation. Remember, misinformation, which I'm accused of, and I'm sure you are too. So the sin of misinformation is saying anything which is contrary to the approved narrative of the time, coming from one of two things, either WHO or your National Health Service.

So that's the way that ecosystem works is, yeah, they don't have to reinforce it at the top level. They can say, oh, my hands are clean. I was just putting out what my scientists believe to be the approved narrative, the science, right, at that time. And then it all gets reinforced through this structure that's been set up that Schellenberger calls the censorship industrial complex.

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It's extraordinary that there's unlikely to be the required reckoning when we can see now the information that was available relatively near the advent of the pandemic is now being verified.

And also, if we take, for example, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, which is where I read for the first time about the sort of connections between bioweapons and vaccines and their fundings, the way that Anthony Fauci has connections to HIV, the way that he earns money through royalties, even as a government employee, how difficult it is to track that, how diffuse and...

clandestine. His relationship is with other state agencies, the CIA, the way that he communicated with other agencies in order to repress the Wuhan lab leak theory, as it was then known. All

That's just sort of one branch. The efficacy of vaccines, the likelihood of adverse events, the foolishness of trying to vaccinate at the height of a pandemic, the importance of vitamin D, the potential effectiveness of ivermectin, all of these things that were bunched together under that term misinformation, all of that.

has now, because of independent media and the tenacity of men like you in continuing to participate in keeping that discourse alive, has become a sort of an unavoidable iceberg for the establishment. In the past, when there was centralized control over media, that information could be marginalized and it would only be

Alex Jones or David Icke or the sort of early pioneers of this space, who in a sense were in a way the sort of curious forefathers of independent media because they kind of existed, along with, I suppose, what you might call more credible journalists. But to be a credible journalist these days means you have to take oaths of fealty and fidelity to systems that will ultimately prevent you telling the truth. That means that you are going to get this more...

difficult, esoteric and more, I would say, controversial but true information from sources that have already been pre-bunked. Now, though, that they have begat a thousand children, most evidently and obviously the sort of totem at the center of it all, Joe Rogan, but as

There are hundreds of voices, at least, you know, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger. They've been on my show a number of times. I've done live events with Schellenberger and Taibbi talking about the censorship industrial complex, how that's playing out in Ireland, how it's playing out in Canada. Even someone like me, an autodidact entertainer. When you I get it when you when you mention Ursula von der Leyen.

I know about her text messages with Albert Baller. When the subject of Canada comes up, I know about the truckers bank accounts being frozen or people that donated through PayPal. Like now we've got such an accumulated wealth of information that their machine has to work so hard to deny and decry and undermine, to smear and attack

opponents to find, as Elon Musk said, citing that Stalin torturer, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. They have to find ways to bring down the opponents in real time while recognizing now that there is a general sense that most countries will be better off

with a nativist approach, even if that is reviewed in the most simplistic terms. Put France first, put the UK first, put the US first, put Sweden first. And that sort of plays out across a variety of narratives, whether it's migration and the way that migration can be used to destabilize populations.

granting control to the WHO, which as you've described, they're busily in the business of denying they even tried to do. A total mistrust of mainstream media as CNN, SACOF employees and MSNBC and the BBC, which is of course still publicly funded, become more questioned and questionable because of

As you said at the beginning, an institution like the TNI, even I've heard of that, thanks to probably a mutual friend of ours. I know what the Trusted News Initiative is. I know they likely played a role in the attacks that I experienced last year. I know what the 77th Brigade is and who Mark Lancaster is and that he's married to Caroline Dynage, who is the MP that wrote to Facebook reporters.

Rumble and X and said Russell Brand and YouTube are saying Russell Brand should be demonetized. Have you seen these allegations? Demonetized that they are married. All of this can be tracked. I know that it was a CIA carve out the funded media that was going out in the Ukraine to say that I was a Russian disinformation proponent. The problem is now that we're all we've all got access to all of this information. So what the Barack Obama's and Ursula von der Leyen's

and Victoria Newlands have to do is work in concert to say, don't trust Robert Malone, but don't trust Russell Brand. Don't trust Joe Rogan. Don't trust Michael Schellenberger. Don't trust yourself. Your nature is evil. You need to be managed. You need us to help you. Won't you please let us help you? Get in your house. Take your medicine. And it starts increasingly to be unavoidably hysteria on

on their part and probably a concomitant component of this fifth generation warfare that you're describing which is by its nature diffuse in order to avoid the our ability to identify their culprits is probably a type of hysteria might come along with it because ultimately the participants

can't have a deep faith in what they're doing. Even its oligarch or billionaire figureheads, whether that's Soros or Gates or its superstar politicians like Obama, must surely now be recognizing that the plan is under threat, that the wheels are coming off. There's only so many times you can call people racists and rapists and misogynists before a general population starts to think, "We're better off

on that side of the line than on your side of the line. It's amazing though that there are still protests against Trump going on because people are like, "This guy's not my president, not my America, the sexist pig." The turkeys are still trying to vote for Christmas, but now there's not 20 million extra turkeys that seem to have disappeared since Biden's election.

But that was an epic rant. Thank you very much. So so we so here we are. Right. We can see it. As you say, the wheels are coming off the bus. You can see it in that remarkable photograph of Barack Obama as he's going off stage looking like he's just a.

eaten glass fragments. And you're right, this is falling apart and they are becoming increasingly desperate. And when that happens, it's the moment of greatest peril, which is where we're at right now.

And I think that there needs the risk here is I posted something on Twitter last night. I just finally had to say it, that the truth is I'm angry. I'm angry about what we've experienced. I'm angry about what I've experienced. I'm angry about the fact that.

that neither political party in this recent election, none of the majors, discussed the COVID crisis and the mismanagement. That was off, that was excluded from the Overton window. We were not allowed to discuss that. And that thing went viral. Just that simple statement that, you know, was kind of akin to my network, if you remember the movie, I'm

I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. I didn't put it quite that strongly, but people are pissed off and they can see it, as you say. And the question is, can we move through? So you're raising the core thread here is the election results that the left did not anticipate.

that just happened in the United States and are likely to trigger a cascade across Europe and most of the Western world and The risk is that we overreach this is what I keep warning about because we're pissed we're mad as hell we there is a natural desire for retaliation and if we give in to that and

We will lose the midterms in the United States. There will be a backlash. And this happens again and again and again in American pivots, is that we have a mandate, a major election, a major disruption. And the new folks come in, they want change, and they want it now. Because the structure of American politics, basically everything runs on a two-year cycle.

because the house and so the risk that I perceive right now is that we move into a phase where the urge to retaliate is almost unavoidable. And with that will come overreach.

And with that will come a destructive process which may have merit, but which will create risks, weaknesses, and vulnerabilities over the near term. And how to manage this in an environment where people feel betrayed and angry is not a trivial task. And I...

This is my concern about the appointments that we're hearing from Trump, is he's selecting loyalists, clearly. And many of those loyalists are very supportive of major change. And clearly we need major change. But because they're coming from the outside, people like if I was to join the administration, Bobby's a great example.

As far as I'm concerned, Bobby is a transformational leader, but he is not an administrator. And he's going to, you know, what I'm hearing is a lot of new thinking, which is good, about major change. But what?

Let me give you an example. The Director General of the United Nations in promoting the Pact for the Future and Agenda 2030 speaks that in his own words, we have the best plans and he feels entitled and empowered to implement those plans. Those plans have never been tested before.

And so he is in the United Nations is busy trying to implement these new plans like thesis. That's a basic human right to migrate wherever you want the world and advancing the climate change agenda and DEI and all those kinds of things. They've never been tested before and a number of them are already failing and they're not the best plans.

And that's the risk is that as this new wave of firebrands comes in with Trump, that they throw baby with bathwater and that we end up with dysfunctional solutions that are perhaps novel, but perhaps may not be optimal. And that I think it's almost inevitable.

And the consequence will be further disruptions, further turmoil. And frankly, speaking from a Western perspective, the winners in that kind of situation

are those entrenched opponents that are taking a long-range tactical and strategic view. One, you know, a case could be made that's the situation with the CCP in China. A case can be made that that's the situation with these various countries

entities that sit behind this globalism agenda and we could name them in terms of these think tanks and non-governmental organizations and large financial interests. You know, you know all the names, same as I do. I don't think it serves any purpose to call them out right now, but we know they're there.

And those entities have the advantage of being stable, well capitalized, and able to sit back, let this play out, and then take advantage of missteps that are made in haste. And that's my fear. You mentioned network fleetingly there.

And you also talked about the vicissitudes, the sort of biannual or every two year vicissitudes that mean that somehow the polarity created by those movements allows entrenched power to continue to remain entrenched. And you talked earlier about how you sort of spoke to a Make Europe Great Again committee. There was a conference in Romania. Yeah.

Yes. What concerns me, I suppose, is that because we've talked around, and I've learned these two terms today, inverted totalitarianism and fifth generation warfare, because what we appear to be describing is a set of ulterior powers that

that are by their nature designed to withstand precisely the kind of popular uprisings and populism that this recent election is an indicator of. And the technology that we have now could be used to create new systems that sustain the mandates achieved in these elections, but it is also simultaneously being used

as a prophylactic against the success of those systems. And because you mentioned network, you know, we're all like, my favorite moment in network is like when eventually he sat down in a boardroom with someone who explains to him. Yeah.

at that log. This is what power is really. This is what power is really. And I wonder, because we've talked a lot about that power these days, Doctor, being diffuse, and it's unlikely that there is one individual that represents it, that somehow makes it more frightening that it is so amorphous. While I'm listening to you, there are many cause, but there's much cause for optimism. But I can hear the nodes of

throughout this conversation of your concerns of how, hmm, Bobby Kennedy may not be able to implement policy in this new administration. There are ways through global bureaucracy of opposing a figure even as robust as Trump. And let's not forget, Trump's already had four years in government, and I know his greatest advocates would say it was better than ever. America was getting great again, and it was the pandemic that stopped his ascent. But as an outsider, in general...

it seemed like the framework remained the same. There were less wars. There's loads of things that you could credit Trump for if you like him, and probably loads of things you could attack him for if you don't. - Give me an example. We just wrote a sub stack about this, about Schedule F. So Schedule F was Trump's structure to try to circumvent the power of the senior executive service.

And what is functionally what it was designed to do is make these people at will employees so they could be fired because right now they can't. Functionally, it's absolutely impossible. They are a diffuse royalty in the American bureaucracy.

And so under Schedule F, Trump tried to create a new employment category that he would then transfer these people into that would be at will so they could be fired. Remember, that's his kind of his signature. You're fired. And so it took a long time to get it through the courts and the challenges because the SES has their own functional union that fought this thing tooth and nail.

And finally, he got the approval. He set it out as an executive order right at the end of his presidency. And literally the first thing that Joe Biden did was rescind that executive order, which shows kind of the influence of the SES on and the, you know, we call it the deep state of the party on Joe Biden because that was his top priority.

Since then, there's been a series of legislative maneuvers and bureaucratic maneuvers to make it so that Trump cannot implement, nor can anyone else, a Schedule F type structure. So that's the way this works. When we show a strategy, and this part of the criticism I got for publishing this was I was revealing a tactical opportunity prematurely.

um in in raising awareness of it but every time one of these initiatives comes up somebody figures out some way to counter the growth in increased power of this entrenched bureaucracy they fight back now there's there's one thing that i think could be really effectively exploited that's changed the landscape for the bureaucracy in the united states

is the overturning of what was called Chevron deference. Now, in UK, there's nothing like that overturning. In the UK, the courts defer to the state routinely, as Murray Rothbard proposed in his classic work, Anatomy of the State. The function of the courts in a modern society

whether we call it a democracy or whatever in the modern state, the function of the courts are to legitimize and support the state. They're not to promote equity or rule of law. And that's absolutely, as you look across the COVID crisis and you look at across at the court's responses to various challenges, they have been entrenched in supporting the interests of the state. And

What has what the courts did in the United States the Supreme Court is they placed a ruling that that made it codified that if a case came up in which the Functionally the administrative state or the bureaucracy or whatever you want to use to call it. Um asserted a set of facts scientific facts and

then that was presumed to be the core truth. And you could bring up expert witnesses and tell you're blue in the face, but primacy was always given to the position that the administrative state took.

And that was overturned in just not so long ago, in the last year by the Supreme Court in the United States, that Chevron deference no longer applies. What that enabled was basically lawmaking by administrators. That's what's been going on in the United States for about a decade. That's now been overturned.

which means that all of those administrative laws that were put in place are either going to get taken out piecemeal by lawyers. I mean, this is like full employment act for lawyers, this overturning of Chevron deference to sue the state on behalf of their various clients that are aggrieved by this, that, or other regulation. Or the Trump administration could say, look, guys, it's a new game.

Chevron deference is over. And we are directed by the Supreme Court to go through and eliminate all those regulations and rules that were put in place that were not congressionally authorized. So it's that kind of thing, I think, that has to be done is to use the structure of the Constitution and the position of this conservative court to work through in a workmanlike fashion

the bureaucracy and eliminate a lot of these things and you already have the legal coverage to do so uh an example of that is what happened uh with housing and urban development during the prior bush uh prior trump administration

where this neurosurgeon, right, was put in charge of, a neurosurgeon from Johns Hopkins was put in charge of housing and urban development. Who would have thought it? Okay. And what he did is he set up a group and they went through methodically HUD looking for regulations that were superfluous,

not appropriate, et cetera, and eliminate it. It's very much like Javier Millie, right? And the consequence is that now housing and development is considered to be one of the most effective departments in the federal bureaucracy. So I think there's ways we can do this. I don't wanna end on a glum note, but there's a real risk of implementing radical changes

that involve untested solutions that will inevitably create blowback.

It's amazing to hear the sort of ingenuity that is available to us, successfully deployed. And I reckon many people will feel optimistic, even if cautiously, about Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk being given their own department, because it's precisely the kind of entrepreneurial ingenuity that could make changes in an optimistic appraisal. I'm sure the detractors will say, he's an oligarch and a lunatic and Vivek Ramaswamy is a

I know there are a million ways to attack people. Dr. Robert Malone, thank you for your heroism up to now. Thank you for being able to cross-pollinate and create new constellations of information on the fly for us in ways that are so easy to explain. I feel that you're giving us access to a university that, frankly, we don't deserve and wouldn't be able to afford if we had to pay for it. Thank you so much for your time today, doctor.

Thanks for having me on Russell and deep respect for all you're doing and for your own ability to make connections. I'm constantly astounded when I watch your podcast. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Well, I hope you enjoyed that show as much as I did. I feel brighter. I feel enthusiastic. I feel empowered to take on the world now. Remember, intellectuals and academics like this are only available because of platforms like Rumble, because of podcasters like Joe Rogan, whose name came up, but there are many more.

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