“They Want Us DEAD!” Roseanne Barr on The Elites’ Public Experiments & Profiting - Stay Free #349
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Now, please enjoy this episode of Stay Free with Russell Brand. Thanks. Hello there, you awakening wonders. Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, a very special show when we are talking to Roseanne Barr, who I consider to be an extraordinary, shamanic, swirling, whirling linguist. It's odd when you meet people whose

talents and gifts are harnessed by an aspect of the system. In her instance, the entertainment industry or Hollywood, whatever synecdoche you want to use to describe that. She's a person whose gifts are spiritual. Indeed, I believe that all of our gifts are spiritual, but tend ultimately to get harnessed by materialistic systems. It's a brilliant interview. Me and Roseanne really get into it.

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So, Roseanne, as you may know, is sort of a big star. As well as having won a whole bunch of awards for a variety of things, she's also run for office. Did you know she's run for president twice? Her show has been the most successful and popular show in the United States of America. And of course, she's been aggressively canceled.

Now I know a little bit about that and it's one of the subjects that we will be discussing in our conversation over the course of the day. Here's an interview that you could have watched live on Locals. You'll notice that several people's questions like Fire Girl 2020 were put directly to Roseanne and we've got some fantastic interviews coming up. Bobby Kennedy's coming on the show soon.

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of this movement. Without further ado let's enjoy this glorious conversation with a very surprising, brilliant, plainly extraordinarily bright human being, Roseanne Barr. Roseanne, thanks for joining us.

You well thanks for having me. You're just talking about that we were... I need to be with you. Yeah I'm excited to be with you. You mentioned or at least we're beginning to mention I think a time when I did a comedy show in the UK and you came over from America and we were so excited that you were there because prior even to the epochal significant and genre-defining Roseanne show you were

controversial and much beloved stand-up comedian and it seems like for a minute and this is something I know from my own culture and from my own country is that for a minute you were sort of able to be utilized by the culture as an example of this is a working class person that shows that you know America is working and liberalism is working and look how we're giving a platform to this

white trash woman. I'm not saying that's what you are, I'm saying that's how you were used by the culture for a moment and in a way we can use perhaps God, certainly your journey and I know that personally, I think you're getting a lot of love by the way in this chat, like you can use your journey and my journey in a sense to track how the culture is changed, how it talks about class dynamics, class politics, how ideas like freedom of speech

speech, how the fating and utilization of mental health and yet the condemnation of errors of judgment have evolved over time. I wonder, Roseanne, because a lot of our audience may not know that you stood for leader of the Green Party, that you've been outspoken on a number of issues, that you were pretty vocal Democrat supporter, I feel, at times in your career before supporting Donald Trump.

I wonder where you are in the culture right now? How do you feel? Generally cynical and skeptical about like what you might call mainstream culture given what happened when the Roseanne show returned with tremendous success to the air and how you were treated and how the show was cancelled. I wonder how you what you feel has fundamentally changed since your first flood of fame and success and this new incarnation of Roseanne. Well I

That's a lot to unpack there, but I was just thinking about it this morning, funny, that I thought, you know what? I haven't changed at all. I have the exact same thoughts and beliefs that I had when I first came to Hollywood as a stand-up comic that wanted to talk about just regular people who do all the work that makes everything go.

And I appreciate a working class, you know, and and class politics. I haven't changed any of my views whatsoever. But the the what do you call that? The hourglass, you know, they do those hourglass flips in the mind control program of the mass media. You know, they do these hourglass flips, you know.

And so they did a total hourglass flip where suddenly the left that I was, you know, I did run for president in 2012 as a socialist.

And all of a sudden, you know, that left and the left that I was raised in because my parents were socialists, too, and their parents. But that left. Well, we cared about freedom of speech and we cared about, you know, civil rights and bettering yourself with education and moving up. And all of that flipped.

And now it's like the left is not, as I always say, well, the left doesn't seem like your daddy's left anymore. Now it's just a kind of a fascist structure that hates civil rights, hates freedom of speech, hates individual rights, and just says, no, just authoritarian and just repressive, putting its big, can we swear on your show? Yes.

I have to stop this interview right now because Roseanne is about to transgress all sorts of extraordinary community guidelines that are amorphous, Kafkaesque, difficult to read and understand, almost as if that's the intention of them, that we live in new, banal, bureaucratic spaces that are indecipherable and deliberately opaque in order to keep us in a constant state of confusion. So if you are watching this on YouTube, you can see now that there's only a few seconds left on the countdown. So click

the link in the description and consider becoming an awakened wonder and joining us for all of our content. See you later. Goodbye. Rubbing its fucking huge jackboot into your face and grinding it into the goddamn dirt, which is what they did to me because they didn't like...

Well, they don't like working people is basically it. And they don't like anything having to do with working people or the kind of they look at us as they look at that class of people as like the great unwashed. Now it's like, oh, not only the great unwashed.

Because they've destroyed the whole working class and now they're working on the middle class to take all their money. Because all they do is just go where there's a big pile of money and rob it. You know that. So, you know, they scope out where there's money and then they can go there and steal it and destroy the people that have it. But it may have always been that way, but I didn't.

I didn't perceive it that way because I had that thing that left us have where you see fake images

kind of make-believe happy world where you believe that you're compassionate. You don't really see how fascist you are until, you know, I was speaking in the past. I didn't realize all of that stuff about the left until I left the left slowly to go, oh my God, look how they do. Because when I ran for president in the Green Party and socialist structures, I really believed it was about

something different. And then when I saw how it was just about graft and grifting, just like the right. And I was like, man, they're the very same thing. There's not two parties. There's one.

Like my friend Gord Vidal said, there's just one party and it's the money party. And they'll put one guy in the window till the people are tired of being robbed and they go throw the bums out and then they'll put the other party in the window till the people are tired of being robbed. Throw the bums out and then they'll put the same first party. You know, and that's what I mean by the hourglass flip. There's very little difference between

in either of them and even narrowing even more, you know, where it's just like, you know, we mean to take everything from you.

and you're just going to have to get used to it. The vacillation between the various representatives of what is commonly called the Uniparty or what Gore Vidal would have called the Money Party is one example that helps me to understand that hourglass flip. But what struck me as more astonishing is when values like free speech

were cast out, when the pharmaceutical industry were embraced as heroes, when censorship was legitimized, when war became cooler than peace. That's when I started to think, hey, maybe they never liked working people in the first place and just used working people for a while in the same way that perhaps now they use different inverted commas, minority groups, ethnic groups, sexual identity groups,

as a kind of mask for what appears to be a type of avarice that seeks to legitimize itself by pretending that they're somehow doing something for vulnerable people. I like the positions you've taken. Yeah, because they've got to have an audience. They've got to have like a captive audience so they can sell shit to them.

and convince them that they're under threat so they'll go get the shots they're making $10 billion selling. And then they get cancer, so then they own the cancer cure and the treatment for cancer. They own frigging everything. They give you the cancer, and then they own the cancer treatment company and the cancer medications. Of course, they hide the shit that cures cancer.

I mean, it's just like the devil. You know, if you get really fundamentally fundamentalistic religion in some way, you can understand it. It just is the devil. Yeah. I can.

I can understand when people go and say that. I mean, it's easier to communicate with people who think that way than it is to communicate with people who talk about, you know, stock prices. It's just too out there. And it just makes no sense at all for living human beings who think, you know.

Yeah, you're right. Like a sort of a Luciferian metaphor or metaphors derived from scripture or metaphors that acknowledge the existence of good and evil make more sense and seem to have more value and have more utility than...

just the endless doubling down on rationalism, especially when it seems that rationalism, as I said before, can be used to justify whatever they want to do. Oh, now censorship is a good thing. Now war is a good thing. Even the idea of being rebellious used to be kind of edgy. It sort of struck me recently that the CIA... You know what blew my mind, Russell, is that they...

I hope we don't get in trouble. Will we get in trouble? I don't know. I don't want to get in trouble. For what? I was going to say how they sold the...

you know, I'm a Jew and you know, in Israel, they, everybody got like five and six, 16 boosters. I don't know, right in the eyeball and they couldn't line up fast enough for it. And all my family, they're all liberals and gay, you know, in America, Democrat, liberal, gay folk, and they couldn't line up fast enough to get the damn thing. And I was like, is there nothing in your memory, perhaps,

About not trusting a government that tells you, you know, something with medications or gas or showers. Is there no memory of any of that lining up for.

a government that, you know, Tuskegee, the poison blankets to the Indian. Is there no memory? And it's like an assault on memory. That's what I think they're really doing. And that's why the hourglass flipped too, because then you don't really have any memory bank. And of course they just erase the

fucking internet every time you turn around everything you go to look for is gone you know what I mean like the information is gone or compromised or changed and that's why it's difficult to even talk about what's happening right now because in three weeks they'll be exposing that that was all a lie yeah

Yeah, there is this sort of immediate amnesia, this constant updating of the present, this bewildering hyperspace. And I suppose the exorcism and annihilation of tradition is an important part of that. Because if you're able to go, hold on, this is our family. This is where we're from. This is what we believe in. This is our traditions. This is how we live.

represent our tribe if you have all of those values you're not such a dupe you're not such an easy figure to be manipulated and as you say it's like when did pharmaceutical companies and the state become the goodies in like within a couple of years of that opioid crisis that annihilated

the working class people of America continues to have an incredible impact. How do they do these bait and switches and find the lady moves so quickly? And like you say, as well as they are in real time now curating reality. One of the things that strikes me, what strikes me, Roseanne, is they're always using like the specter

of those 20th century dictators, your Stalins and your Hitlers as the big threats. That's the thing you've got to watch out for. But it seems to me that we're entering into a type of... And you know what they never say, Russell? Go on. And I love saying this too. They never, ever remember that there was a Stalin-Hitler pact. They never bring that up, do they? Wow, go on, tell me more.

Well, you know, to me, it's like, oh, they had a contest who can kill the most people, you know, that's what it seems like.

they made a business of it. Oh, we can kill them and we'll, you know, and it never stopped. It never stopped where they say, you know, I'm saying where people say, oh, never again. How about it never stopped? And we went over here and killed all that tribe. And then the Nazis supposedly went to South America, killed everybody in the rainforest, doing experiments on captive populations is what it's all about. And that's what

I'm talking about when I talk about people lining up for inoculations or whatever you want to call them. They've never stopped. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, whether it was projects, paperclip or just the way that power migrates and moves. And I'm glad that you've mentioned your

racial and cultural heritage this early on and I know that you've been attacked for being a glib or well no a bell word is humorous as a comedian around that subject and the history of your people and your race before but it seems to me that the type of uh

dictatorships that we're being faced now are not evolutions of the military dictatorships of Stalin and Hitler, but something that was foreshadowed in European literature at that time, whether it was in Brave New World, of course, obviously George Orwell. But I significantly think the Czech writer Franz Kafka, that we live in this Bernard

bureaucracy where you suddenly you've done something wrong when was it what was it what did i do wrong what did i say we're not going to tell you but you did something wrong and you've been unpersoned now and this hourglass flip and this amnesia these are almost existentialist problems aren't they rosanne it's like reality itself is morphing the culture is wafer thin you know words are changing their meaning political parties are changing their position we're pro free speech we're

pro-civil rights, you have to be censored, we're going to war. Hold on a minute, what are our principles? What is it we're supposed to believe in? And it seems to me that what power is, what the kind of power that's being granted now because of the advent of technology, which of course perversely and inversely could grant us incredible freedom, this could be the generation of a movement that is

a global, unified, decentralized, true representation of ordinary people that recognizes leadership skills and grants leadership in communities rather than centralizing power wherever possible to exploit as many people and exploit as many resources as possible, all the while doing it with the gentle language of convenience and safety. Man, have you ever received a letter from YouTube? "Hello, we've closed your account.

We're not giving you any money. Signed, the team. You don't even know who anyone is. You don't even know what you're supposed to have done. You don't know who you're supposed to appeal to. That's Kafka. I think that one of the problems with some of the political models that idealists and ideologues hanker after is that socialism, for example, was a response to industrialization. But in the West, at least, we're living in a post-industrial age. We're living in a technological age.

And we need political movements that are a response to how power is operating now. Industrialization was how power controlled resources and controlled people a hundred years ago. Now they're boosting up to control us with, we got your data. We're watching everything you do. We're capturing and scraping everything you said. We got a hundred million data points on you. And like, it's almost... I told my son last night, we were...

you know, my son and I are having a great time here in New York. We were out drinking and pontificating, you know, that's fun. And I got the idea and I said to my son, you know, I think it's a, it's a, it's, we all know we're in an information war, but I was like, it's like artificial intelligence versus the other artificial intelligence. It's like this war between two artificial intelligence things.

And it's always a war between two things. That's how they keep us going and at each other. But the real solution, I love what you just, I mean, I agree with everything you just said. Why couldn't we have perfection? We have everything in place to do it. The only thing is the light bulb hasn't gone on in the conscious mind yet. But I do feel it's coming, you know, I do. But of course, the real solution is synthesis.

of two structures, you know, two economic structures. Neither one really works, but a synthesis. That's what I ran for president. I ran on that. I said, let's, let's not say capitalism or crony capitalism. Let's not say socialism. Let's say people ism. You know, let's go to the next frigging level of shit.

and leave this shit behind because it's old. It's over. It's never going to fucking work. We've had all these world wars. None of this shit's going to ever, ever work. No. We have to go to the next step. And there's people who are smart enough, and we have all the technology in place that we're the right people to, I always say, seize the means of media production.

We can do it because that's all that stands in the way is people hearing the right information that will trigger and fire up their great imaginations to actually solve some of the fucking problems that human beings deal with that are all unnecessary because somebody is making money off of that.

off of exasperating the problem. That's what's wrong. Hey, Roseanne, it seems like, you know, in spite of like having a pretty difficult and tumultuous early life, you were born with a spiritual gift, let's say, the gift to entertain, the gift to captivate, the gift to speak in front of people and retain and obtain their attention. Then, of course, your show became very successful. But it seems to me, at least as an observer, that

that it was the commodification of Roseanne and I know you had to fight pretty hard to get creative control of your show. I wonder if there was ever a time where it felt glorious to you. I wonder if there is ever a time when it felt like it works. You mentioned before that we met and of course I remember it because it was a significant moment in my life. This was when I was totally enraptured with fame. I was in ascendancy. I was adored. I was sleeping around. Women are throwing themselves at me. Nothing

can ever go wrong. I'm going to fly closer and closer to the sun. And I remember meeting you and you had the obvious aura of a star. But in addition to that, I felt like, and you know, I know there's 365 days in a year and maybe I caught you on a date, you know, but you felt like, whoa, this person's dealt with some shit. And I felt like you didn't seem like you're like, woo!

I'm so happy to be doing this British TV show, you know, like you use. And I, so I wonder when did you realize that what happens when you enter the mainstream is it commodifies your gifts and it like a vampire uses you and it, when it can't use you no more, it discards you and spits you out. Or if you say anything that's antithetical to its aims, it's

it will crush you, it will destroy you, it will rake over your past and find something, invent something, create something to destroy you with if it has to. This machine that seems so slick and glamorous and seems like the approval that you need when you're a little kid suddenly turns on you like a demon. What was it like at the very beginning of it? And when did you realize that it was not the thing that it appeared to be? Well, I like how you put it. How it felt was...

I always felt that I was battling because they made it a battle. Like when I first, I got to grab this Kleenex because I have the worst allergies, but it, it always felt like a battle because they made it a battle because, you know, cause I was a woman that was, that was then in the, what was it that I went on stage 1980 the first time and in Denver. And it was like,

There wasn't a lot of women there. You know, I think it was just me and another woman. And they were like, oh, it's just so long to even go into. But it was a battle. And I felt like I'm a fucking win because I come from a working class family, you know. And so you always had to scrap. My brother was my brother was nine years old and had had his nose busted nine times by the time he was nine years old.

Because, you know, coming home from school, we lived in a working class neighborhood, you know, and it was racially mixed and such. Well, they didn't like Jews too much there. And they're like, how come you're not living with your rich? You know that. So it was always a beat down, you know. So I just was born to fight. And so when I got famous, it was just always a fight. And it was never not a fight. So it was always like, I'm going to fucking fight.

you know, and I, I, I had the feeling like that I was kicking doors down like a, uh, like a, like Jonah Bark or something for, well, not just women comics, but for comics that, uh, had something to say, like, like, you know, the comics I loved and I, uh,

I saw how they battled. Like I saw how Lenny Bruce battled. I saw how Richard Pryor battled. Those were my idols and I knew it was going to be a battle and it never felt like I won or that I was on top or none of that. When I was number one, I was number one because I unseated Bill Cosby's show by the third episode. I became number one and he went down. It wasn't like I was like, I'm so, I was like, it always felt like

We did it. I always felt like Jonah Barker or some shit. I was...

way too socialist indoctrinated by my family because it's like we fought the czar. I heard all those stories. We fought the Holocaust. It was always just I had to fight and win. And I never I never I know when I got the money, when I first got my paycheck, I was didn't even know what to do because I was like, oh, now what?

Now I've that was the money was a fucked up thing because I was like, now what? Now I'm rich. This ends with me being a fat, fucking rich bitch. What am I supposed to do with that? How can I fight now? So it was like I had identity issues. And then I was like, fuck it. I don't even give a shit. I'm just going to buy stuff.

And so like the first thing I did was go out and buy 16 dining room sets. I don't know why I never had any money and I don't know why I did that. But, uh, and then I had to buy an airplane hanger to store them. And then it was like, God, do I really, that was about maybe 10 years into it and still doing the show. And then I was like, I really can't.

sit here and talk about diets and plastic surgery anymore with people. I miss...

And I'd go to people's house and they'd have parties. I always end up in the kitchen talking to the maids. I was like, this is the culture shock beyond anything because I made it and I wanted it to be glamorous. But it was like, I'm not cut out for any of this. So I went and moved to Hawaii and got a farm. And then I was more grounded. I totally lost everything.

my balance and lost myself because all those times of fighting,

I didn't know how to be me anymore. You know, I didn't know how to be the rich lady. I didn't know how to be the grand dom. And when I was a farmer that I was coming back to myself and then I was like, I'm going to go back. Cause I thought I could be useful again. You know, when my comeback thing, I thought I can be useful with don't let, I don't want them to divide Americans. That's what I felt they were doing, you know, with the whole Trump thing.

Hillary think they were dividing us. And, you know, I don't like the divide and conquer because I know what that means. A beat, massive beat down for everybody except the rich. So I was like, hey, I'm going back. And I was in a different space and I was older. I was in my 60s. And when I came back and 28 million people viewed it, that was when I went, oh, my God. And I got it.

I got, I won. I won for me and my ideas. And it was so exciting then and only then. And then the fucking shit kicked in and that fucking shit hit like a load of bricks, but yeah,

And I felt the, and then when I got fired and that horror happened to me is when all that shit crumbled and I just started to feel the love. I never had felt that, that I thought everybody was going to hate me and go, you racist fucking bitch and shit. Every place I went, they were like, we love you. I could feel, and I felt it.

and I never had before, but it was astounding to me. All the positive, all the love, everything you'd hope to feel, I think you're talking about when you made it, you felt like, nobody was ever fucking throwing their self at me though, damn it. Maybe you were putting yourself in the wrong places.

I never had any men try to have sex with me, damn it. I never had any groupies except for gay guys that wanted to do my hair or something, which was great. You're getting your hair done. I mean, look at the upside of it, Roseanne. And I suppose we're talking about some sexual dynamics there that maybe do advantage the male of our species. But it's a very poetic and painful story to hear you fighting and not knowing when you're winning until it appears that the

culture is telling you that you've lost and like some poor girl filling up an aircraft hangar with unnecessary furniture just as a sort of a mad image of how materialism can never fill the spiritual void and how we're given the wrong metric, the wrong pathway, the wrong religion by our nihilistic, materialistic, evangelical but heading nowhere, empty hollow

banal culture. One thing that I did do that I just remembered is when I did get rich beside buying all the dinettes and shit like that, and I was depressed going, I don't know how I'm supposed to be a rich lady from what I come from. Well, one thing that did help me get through is that I started to finance all these lawsuits.

And that was really fun because I love thinking of lawsuits, you know. And then I would finance them to help people sue, especially against the government. And I won quite a few of them. I mean, we did. But I put a lot of money into a lot of lawsuits, like making it legal to grow hemp on Indian reservations. We did that. And like I got some blows against the empire in with my money. And then I started doing.

Kind of finding a balance. But it's really hard to go from being a warrior class socialist red diaper baby to a big Hollywood star.

star it doesn't make any sense whatsoever and yet the idea is that that's a kind of natural trajectory that you're somehow participating in the american dream plucked from obscurity and like to become a champagne socialist that was kind of what you're supposed to be doing there like you're a member of the intelligentsia now during the

the Trump-Hillary campaign. There was a lot of talk about Trump being a dog whistle racist, but one of the dog whistles that's consistently missed, and it's a pretty shrill and loud one, is the hatred of ordinary working Americans, because what

started off, I suppose, or at least it seemed to, as a personal attack on Donald Trump. And one can argue the merits and flaws of Donald Trump all day long. But certainly it seemed to grant the opportunity to condemn 50% of the population as terrorists. And the image that's continually used is of the white

working class, not exclusively white because certainly Trump's appeal is growing across numerous racial dynamics as anti-establishment politics across the world takes off when people start to recognise, wait a minute if they hate this person maybe this is my best shot

some kind of, you know, victory against the empire, to use a phrase you just used. But what was really evident is that working people are detested and it seems like the culture, the establishment, the mainstream is looking for ways to justify, legitimize and double down on that hatred. In our country, it was with Brexit. In your country, it was with Trump. These people are racists. That's, in fact, a common...

refrain but i see so much opportunity you know why because it's the ultimate classist insult and they are elitist classes and that's what i found out when i ran a socialist candidate is their classism is off the charts and as if you really break it down of course racism is a byproduct of classism it's not the other way they did that hourglass flip you know

But their arrogance and their, you know, arrogance and ignorance, they really are a magnet. They go together. But that's that's their way of being racist, too, is when they say the Bible cling. Who the fuck do they think they're talking about? The Bible clinging this and that. We know who they mean. Yeah. You know, they mean the black church for one thing, but they won't. They got their language. We know what they mean.

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to keep it simple you can just say it seems like the devil it seems like at heart what they don't want is people to have values that are outside of their prescribed value system that makes people manageable if all

if people that emerge from working class communities can be hoovered up into sport or entertainment or shut down altogether or lifed off into dead end factory jobs or worse, or if they can be placated by universal credit and ignored, then you don't have to address the systems that are creating this. And these systems seem to be- - And you can steal their votes too, Russell.

Is that what you, how do you conceal them, nullify them, not include them, not record them? Not count them, right? Right. It's really interesting. I watched that film Selma the other day about, you know, the, like, the historic struggles of Martin Luther King. And it seemed implicit in this film that, like, the inheritors of Dr. King's legacy are the current Democrat Party, whereas the

inheritors of the standing at the sides with the Confederacy flags like spitting Yahoo white trash are the Trump voters. But it seems to me that if you look at CIA activity then, they were spying on Martin Luther King, and CIA activity now, they're spying on people that are anti-establishment, whether those people are right-wing Jan Sixth or

left-wing BLM, it seems to me that power is still centered on the ability to control perpetuating continual wars, legitimize authoritarianism through crisis or response to crisis. It seems to me that one of the hourglass flips is we don't know who the goodies are anymore and it certainly ain't the current incumbents of the White House who, whether it was Obama or Bush or Biden, perpetuate continual war

you do whatever tokenistically they have to do to placate and distract the population while continuing. It is a total tokenist, total tokenism and a beat down, always a beat down, you know, and also just separatism to the max. You don't, there, there, you know, a lot of comics have done stuff, but, uh, you know, stuff about, uh,

They want us to forget how much we have in common with everyone else and just focus on that little tiny sliver of difference and be enraged over that. Yeah.

But it's divide and conquer because then all of us can lose in a big, big way and they can steal us blind. And that will be like horizontal violence, horizontal blame. The one thing we've learned from mind control is to never, ever assign blame upward where it belongs. We never can do that. That's no, no, no.

I think that's what the Democrat Party exists for, to keep us from doing that. Yeah, I agree. Because, you know, they're the ones that invented the KKK. Do you know the Republican Party was founded by Frederick Douglass? And the Democrats came to make the KKK because they didn't want their slaves to be free. And they also invented Jim Crow and, you know,

kicking the black father out of the home and the prison military industrial complex is their baby too. But they're really good. Like right now they're blaming Trump for the border, which they did it all. And they're blaming Trump for it. They're really good at projection and blame and never fixing nothing in

enriching themselves on it, like the money they sent to the Ukraine for their borders. It all goes into their pockets. The money laundering goes into their pockets. Taking public money off the table, putting it in private pockets. It's the greatest frigging scam. And the

Of course, the Republicans are no better because they're right in there with them. Our country is just grifters. It's just run by political prostitutes that we call representatives, but they don't represent none of us. They represent their lobby, their lobby bosses. And so we have to do something about it. And I do see people are doing something about it.

Because the grassroots here in America are really fired up. And you can see all across America, because I never report on it, but I do keep an eye on it. It is moms and dads and grandmas of all shapes, sizes, and nationalities and colors. They're going and getting involved. And that's what's great about our community.

representational government. It works if you work it, you know, like AA. It works if you fucking work it. And people are starting to do it at school board level and local. It's about local government. That's what they came in and nullified local government, local voting. They did everything on the small. And so that's how we take it back. And people are. And, you know, we have, I think,

a reason to be optimistic. Yeah, I think we do as well. When you said earlier that we're kept in a kind of state of bafflement because of the continual flips, I felt too emotionally we're kept in states of fear. You've already mentioned that division is a necessary tactic, the continual divide and conquer. And I am also heartened by what appears to be happening, certainly in your country, but

in mine too and across Europe, we're beginning to see agricultural movements, farmers coming together. And in your country, and this fascinates me, I spent a bit of time in Florida recently, Roseanne, and I spoke to several active service people

are so disillusioned with the agenda, trajectory and objectives of the United States. And it really struck me like, cause all the time we're discussing things flipping that appear to be negative. Well, I'll tell you one thing that seems to be positive. 20 years ago as an English person, if I'd criticized America, people would have took it that I was somehow attacking American people rather than attacking the American military machine, the American corporatist machine. Now people like,

Now an American patriot is once again someone who does not trust and maybe even hates their government. And I'm talking about West Point graduate and military personnel. And I feel like, whoa, if they're losing those people, they're in some serious trouble. Because, you know, one of the communities they've got to annihilate, whether it's with fentanyl or bad food or bad TV or bad ideas, is the working class majority. They've got to be annihilated. You know, the

from which they draw their police forces and draw their militaries that ultimately impose their law with violence, the threat of violence and the ability to kill because who's more powerful than the people that can determine who's killable and who's not killable? Well, it seems to me... That's so true. That's why they're bringing in all of these...

You know, you know, migrants or whatever they're called illegal immigrants, immigrants, whatever these human beings is because they're they're tired of, you know, they know that the Americans aren't going to vote for them.

the Democrats, they know that no American people will vote for them because we see so clearly that they are the establishment and they have fought all this time. They're just like me. When I got famous, it's like, what the fuck do I do now? They were always the anti-establishment till they were the establishment and they didn't know what the hell to do there. They're like, wait a minute. So they just want to hold on to power.

So that's all they care about. So they're bringing in these people to replace our votes. They call it the replacement strategy. And it was like for the guns, the gun clingers and Bible clingers. I don't know what they plan to do. Maybe arrest us all or put us in work camps or what, like they did in every other country we've gone to and done this to, every other color revolution that American CIA has done.

backed everywhere and just have them be the new police, the new army and the new voters. That's what they're doing. They're really smart, but nobody sees it yet. And they are so stealth in it. They're so stealth. But, you know, all that stuff has just been step by step by step because like the Nazis didn't just take over overnight. It was small steps.

It was like if you were a Jew, you had to register for a telephone, telephone number.

with small steps. And then you had to move downtown because Jews had a higher level of typhus. So you had to move downtown. It was these small steps. It was never like, okay, we're killing everybody. You know, they got to get your trust and get you to do these little tiny steps, you know? Yeah, you're right. And that's what they're doing here, but they don't like...

messy, stinky, working people that don't even know enough to, you know, like them.

I like that. I like that. Also, that each of them steps appears to be necessary and rational when it's taken. We're simply asking you to carry a medical card to demonstrate that you've been vaccinated for ecological reasons. We need you to stay within 15 minutes of your home and residency and inform us. Then we're only going to allow certain people to travel. If you've accrued enough merit and credit, then you'll be allowed to purchase airline tickets. And before you know it, what's required is that

absolute model of total control that's there for your safety and your convenience. It's not about tyranny at all. That's right. They just want us dead. They want to experiment on us first so they can make a lot of money on cures and stuff that they do. But they want us all dead. But here's what's great. It's right in front of our face. They put it right in front of our face so we don't see it, like hiding in plain sight. Yeah.

The war on carbon. I mean, come on. We are carbon. Carbon's what all life is made of, all material life. Carbon and the war on consciousness is already actually underway, I think. I think they may have won it. Yeah.

Yeah, it's increasingly difficult to find a way to be awakened. So like this point of optimism that you touched on a minute ago was it seemed to me to be about the devolution of power to the most local levels of subsidiarity, that the sanctity of the individual has to be respected. And when it comes to power and decisions and control, it should be as near to the people that are affected by it as possible, not what's going on now.

ongoing centralization, ongoing authoritarianism. So it's like the agenda is continually marching us in small steps, admittedly, although the Nazis didn't always take small steps, not when they were marching, not when they were marching, Roseanne. That's when they kicked them boots pretty high. By then it was over. You know, there was no way to stop it. Show our true colors.

But look, this is why we do podcasts, right? Because this is local level nitty gritty shit podcast. And there's so many of us now. There's so many of us that they can't ignore us anymore. Like you said, with the thing of being struck by the love that you were receiving, I was subject to some pretty brutal attacks in the media a few months ago, accused of the worst things that a man can be accused of, I guess.

and you go out into the world and people are like, hey, how's it going? People, they're losing control. They're losing their grip. They're losing their ability. Certainly in significant portions of society, they are not trusted. People don't trust the media. People don't trust the government. It's reaching, I would say,

dangerous levels. Like a few years ago you couldn't have had Bobby Kennedy become as popular as he has become through appearing on people's podcasts. Now he's going to be a serious liability in this campaign. He's going to take votes off people. And now this might be a time where independent politics or politics that's about bringing power local could

become effective again. Do you feel like you've got another run in you or do you feel too burned by that and do you feel like it's too much of a dangerous game?

Well, I always think about it, you know, and I'm in, I always have it in my head because I can't not do it because it's so much a part of my background and being raised. But I think about Trump being a populist. And so I think about populism growing. And so I was like, well, if they, if, you know, I said it in a joke, but I just, I just want to support the idea of populism people, you know,

you know, being able to have a say in their own existence. I mean, nothing else makes any sense. It's just ridiculous. And I think that's what the decentralization is about. And that's what grassroots is about. And that's what the hope of humanity is about too, especially for women like, uh,

that we have sovereignty, that all people have sovereignty. It seems like it's so top-heavy now that it can't help but fall over, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's where we're heading. Can I ask you some questions from people in our audience, Roseanne? First one, Firegirl2020, I'm curious if you have any thoughts on why most of Hollywood seems to act in lockstep with the mainstream. Aren't artists and actors supposed to be renegades who think outside the box? How did Hollywood get so co-opted?

No, they never were renegades that, like I said, you know, they never were renegades that thought outside the box. That was just the image, you know, that they were not the establishment. You know, they're still like reacting to Reagan or something, Tony. You know, when the counterculture, that was like even before, I can't remember who was president way back during Vietnam War or something, that counterculture became...

the establishment and it had an existential crisis because of it. So all those actors thought, you know, Hollywood was the counterculture and in effect, you know, just the hourglass flip and became the establishment. So they're just, you know, the voices of the establishment and before that, the

counterculture which the establishment owned you know there wasn't any freedom there ever nobody could ever get anything they wanted movies made you know like apocalypse now took 10 years to get it made nobody uh nobody with any like artistic integrity could get anything made ever

You know, you had to get in bed with the CIA to get anything made on TV or in movies. But now there's all these studios springing up and people are, of course, you can't make a $150 million movie, but you can make a $3 million movie. So it's just that same thing again, small, you know, don't be afraid to think small because that's what's going to kick their ass. Yeah.

I like that. Thank you. This is another question. Carolyn Joyce says, where do you see this all going? Does the tech-driven, cashless, totally surveilled world hold any promise for working class people or is it heading to a one world government as predicted?

Well, I think it was so I think that that's what they wanted, but it became so corrupt that it couldn't possibly do that because there's not enough money in the world to pay off all the criminals. They ran out of money. They went broke and bankrupt because they pocketed too much of it. They made money worthless money.

with jacking it up too high, you know? Do you think that something significant happened in 2008 and around that crash? Do you think that the Occupy movement was something significant? I know that you went down there and participated in that movement. Did you think that there was potential there? Do you think that that somehow got squandered? And do you think that something like that could happen again? I remember I went down there to see for myself that first day and the way that it occurred to me as I was there watching it

Because they were asking me, like, what do we do? And I was telling them from the 60s what we did. But as I was watching, I was like, this is kind of funny because the kids on the ground here and the buildings there where the stockbrokers are, it kind of looked like the kids were yelling up at their own parents. Yeah.

That's what it was. Occupy Wall Street was like, hey, dad, look, you know, I I'm a prude little fuck and fuck you, dad. You're paying my rent, though, right? That's what I thought it was. And then I was like, man, I.

Then they started to want to buy debt. And I still love those kids. A lot of them, they start saying, oh, we're going to relieve debt like Joe Biden and his bullshit for giving the debt of the student loans. You know, they're like going to buy. They're going to buy and forgive student loan debt back then, too. And I go, what?

What about just debt relief? Why don't y'all ever go there? And it was because their dads are stockbrokers, so they're never going to go there. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. They're all bought in. Nobody who isn't for Nasara and Gasara.

Has any fucking clue as to what to do or what's going on. And that's what needs to happen. And it will happen. And it's extremely biblical. It's the Jubilee. And that's what we need is a debt Jubilee. And then we can start over again, which we need to because money is worthless. It don't it don't mean anything. It's just paper. Paper.

Yeah. Do you know what, Roseanne? It seems that because you've experienced so much, because even in your early life, even prior to being touched by fame, you'd experienced a lot and suffered a lot. And it seems at least to me as an observer, I felt a lot of joy, but felt a lot of pain that you've,

been on this roller coaster now and you've got a lot to endow us with a lot to teach us guys can see why you get attacked in the way that you do because what happens is when people come out of them communities when people achieve the dream and then speak from the inside of it and tell you what it's like it's a very powerful message it nullifies a lot of their poison and it provides an inoculation to another generation and I feel that but when people like you but

are overtly politicized and become interested in waking people up. It's very effective and very dangerous. And I'm really excited and surprised by how our conversation has gone. I'm really grateful for it. Thank you, Roseanne.

I love talking to you. Yeah, it's a laugh, isn't it? Well, let's have more conversations. I'd love it. Yeah, thank you. I want you to come on my show because I want to ask you about what you've been through too because you've been through the mill yourself. Oh, man. I want to hear about how...

It is for you after all that to have these children you have. Oh my God, yeah, my babies. I'd love to talk to you about all of that. And many of our viewers are noticing that, I'm sure, I don't know where you are, I know you're in New York, but Queen Elizabeth I is behind you. That great matriarch. Is that who that is? That virgin queen right behind you there that you are

echoing almost like an American working class version of that great virgin queen, Roseanne Barr. Thank you very much for allowing us into your kingdom, queendom, dominion. I don't know what's right. I love you. I love you, mate. Thank you. Thanks, Roseanne.

I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Roseanne Barr. You can watch Roseanne's podcast on Rumble every Thursday. I'm going to be going on it soon. She's a fantastic person. I can only imagine that her podcast is brilliant and in-depth. You know what I also like about Roseanne?

the way that she just interrupts you like that like i've never had a conversation with zoom like that ever before with anyone where they just sort of go well yeah you know and they'll just talk over you and like with absolute confidence me i like i've had signs made i've done all sorts of things to try and get over those moments on a zoom call where you're like i've been i've been

Could you mind if I could like Roseanne? Absolutely. Just blasts away like a juggernaut into an answer in a query even she answered several questions that simply weren't there So you should go and have a look at a podcast and hey listen become an awakened wonder if you're not one already because we do additional content all the time I want to welcome now our new members like Jan posp academia Dorino loin rider PJ C kiddo one free and let pre corn Sean Lopric on Sean

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