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Hello there you awakening wonders. Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand. Oh, I did a few squats and push-ups just before I started to put me in my body properly. It's just so easy to just live cerebrally and ethereally. If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll stay on there for about 15, 20 minutes, really, to bring you over to Rumble, our home, where we can speak freely. A platform where actually you can handle the complexity

So we'll be covering in some... I'm getting it back now. We're going to cover in some complexity the challenge that comes with this. Say you believe in the MAGA movement and the MAHA movement. Say if you're one of those people who's of independent spirit and are particularly heartened by the alliance between Bobby Kennedy and Trump. How do we, for example, envisage in America post a second Trump election...

But this time it's not Trump 2016, it's Trump 2024. And where Trump on his Rogan interview talked about how like the mistake he made was the appointments that he made when he was in office last time.

Will Trump, and this is a question for all of you in the chat, you guys in Rumble, like Magamay and Jude the Brain and Dharding172 and Rockmonster of Word of Mouth. And I do, yeah, I've got to do more cardio. Maybe you're right. I'm going to start doing some cardio. You're right. A.D. Adam DC. I've not done enough cardio lately. I'm going to do it. Or you lot, like Grey Watcher and Negligent Banana and SensitiveHearts25. Like,

will the powerful interests that are not about... Look, it's really easy to criticise corrupt politicians of the left. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, the Obamas, Nancy Pelosi. Politicians that talk about virtue but govern in self-interest. But do you think... Here's an interesting question. What's going to happen if in government...

Donald Trump makes decisions that are detrimental to big food, to the food companies that use sugars and salts and seed oils to addict entire populations to food that's bad for us. If

Bobby Kennedy goes, hey, one way we could control that is by making the use of seed oils regulated, controlled, illegal. That's just one example. Or what if, you know, Bobby Kennedy or comparable influences within the Trump, the new Trump administration, you know, if Cali Means is going to get a voice, for example, I'm not...

I'm not privy to insider information, I'm just asking questions. If he was to say, you know, the only way that you're going to be able to make America healthy again is if you make legislation that's going to cripple Coca-Cola.

Let me know in the comments in the chat if you think Donald Trump is going to do that. Is he going to take on Pfizer? Is there going to be an interrogation into what went down during that pandemic? We all like to go, whoa, Fauci, that guy was not what he claimed to be. Let's have a look at the history of Fauci. And there's no better place to look, I would argue, than Bobby Kennedy's book on the man.

But do we think that Pfizer and Moderna and all of the powerful interests in the pharmaceutical world are going to be challenged? Let's get beyond that into the biggest business there is, war. We all, and just so you know my personal position, although who cares, you know, about personal position really. I'm against war.

All war, and I believe in all of the conflicts that are taking place that have the potential, particularly to become global, were they to escalate, Ukraine, Russia, Israel, Palestine, and what appears to be developing in the South China Seas between your country, the United States, and China around Taiwan and perhaps more locally and particularly semiconductors.

I would say that the heft of the United States and the alliances that the United States have on the basis of that power ought be deployed in order to bring about immediately diplomatic solutions. That would be sort of my position. But is that a position that you share, or do you think there are some instances where you want US interventionism? Absolutely.

And if that is your position, do you think that Trump and are we assuming that Trump's going to win in November the 5th? Or do you think that old Dominion Dominion voting machines might have something to say? Did you see that meme with Kamala Harris like Princess Leia? Help me, Dominion machines. You're my only hope.

You know, do you think that there's a possibility that something scandalous could happen between now and the 5th of November, which for British people is bonfire night, Guy Fawkes night, where there was a moment of revolution that went awry about 150, 200 years ago, 300? I don't know. I'm not very good with maths or history or really any subjects at all. That's why you shouldn't take my opinions too seriously because they are just spontaneous reactions to external stimuli. So I guess the big question is...

Are there embedded corporate and globalist interests that are so powerful and deep that even the president of the United States can't impact them? If you want a recent example of that, it's Joe Biden saying, we beat Big Pharma this year. And what he was referring to was not beating Big Pharma this year. He was referring to limited price caps on a small number of pharmaceutical products. That was being referred to.

as a victory. Now, Trump is a very different proposition from Biden. I believe much of the loathing and ire directed at Donald Trump is a direct result of the fact that he is an anomaly. He is not an intended candidate. He's not spent his life being groomed for office in the way that some of the Biden or Kamala has been, or even Obama. He is not just the cipher of the system and machine. Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that. But does he have

And will he have, in this new incarnation of the MAGA movement, the power to go up against Big Pharma, the power to go up against the military-industrial complex? And at that, what seems to have been an extraordinary rally in Madison Square Gardens last night with so many people we're familiar with on this channel, Tucker Carlson, Dana White, who's coming on the show on Friday, so many names, Bobby Kennedy himself, and of course, members of the Trump family,

Do you feel, do you feel that Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Pfizer, NATO, not only big state and bureaucratic agencies,

like NATO, WHO, etc. But corporate interests, big tech, Alphabet, Amazon, Pfizer, do you think they're watching that rally? Let me know in the comments and thinking, oh, we're in trouble. This guy's coming for the big corporations. Let me know what you think because that's what we're going to be covering. Yeah, Tony Hinchcliffe, that was brilliant bit of stand-up from him. We're going to

be covering all of that over the course of the next hour. We'll be with you for another 10 minutes on YouTube, then we'll be exclusively on Rumble. Then I'm going to invite you to become an awakened wonder so you can see our principal new project, Break Bread with Russell Brand, in which we have conversations about Christianity. I spoke this week with Ruslan, a brilliant YouTuber on the subject of Christianity, and he's a

brief moment of that now for you. Consider becoming Awake and Wonder. Have a look in the chat right now. It's telling you exactly how you can do that. Yes, I believe that we are made right because of the blood of Jesus, because of accepting him by faith, that it is a gift. It is not something we've done with our own

will and our own militia. And then as a byproduct of that, we then continue on in this journey to make sure that we are being consecrated, sanctified, cooperating with the spirit of God. So that unction we all feel to like, oh, you know, I was short with the kids this morning, or I wasn't very pleasant at the grocery store yesterday. Whatever that thing is, we need to acknowledge that before the Lord and confess those on a regular basis as well.

well. That conversation is up on Locals now for our members and tomorrow I'm going to be talking to Carl Lentz at 2pm Eastern Time. 2pm Eastern Time, Carl Lentz who's, you know, remember I've only been Christian seven months but he was a massive, massive pastor. Then I think he had some problems in his private life and

Things got crazy for him. So I'm going to be talking to him. And why am I so interested in Christianity? Precisely because I believe we need God. We need a living God to solve the political problems that we are facing. How else will there be peace in the Middle East? How else will there be peace between Ukraine and Russia? How else will we have political systems that are run in accordance with principles that we can all agree on when in

the realm of rationalism, individualism and materialism, all there is is doubt and division. Those are some of the questions we're going to be answering over the coming hour. Let's get into our content though, because there's been a lot of silly stuff happening. We're going to be looking at Rogan's chat with Trump. We're going to be looking at the rally. We're going to be looking about further funding for Ukraine versus Russia, the unwinnable war. I pray for the people of Ukraine. I pray for the people of Russia that there will be peace. Before we get into all of that, let's have a look at Kamal

Carla Harris has doing like, now listen, what's with the accents? Like I'm actually thinking about it myself, right? I'm from what you might call a blue collar British background, Essex. It's the New Jersey of the United Kingdom. So Simon's right, I talk a bit like that, depending on what kind of people I'm around. I might speak a bit more like that, lean into the accent a little bit. Like say for example, if I find myself talking like a working class geezer from like Essex or East London or wherever, I talk a bit more like that.

But then on occasion, I'm quite capable of speaking like this if it's required of me. All of us, perhaps, as your brilliant writer David Foster Wallace observed, speak numerous dialects. What is it that you call African-American? Eubonics? Is that that word? Eubonics? That's for like sort of black American. We all speak in different accents and dialects according to our conditions. But do any of us lean as ludicrously in a voice?

That's pretty crazy because when those Christians were going, you know, like,

She's like, yeah, I think you're at the wrong rally. Get out of here. Next thing, she's gone full MLK. Her accent is traveling a significant distance. What kind of carbon footprint has Kamala Harris's accent got? Because one minute it's here, and the next minute it's, yo, if you're Christian, get out of here. The path may seem hard, the work

Work may seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning. Oh, it cometh, all right. Would the real Kamala Harris please stand up? Perhaps there is no real Kamala Harris because there's only the Kamala Harris that the system requires. What the system requires, and by the system I mean the interface between the Democratic Party and institutions that are not altered in electoral cycles, deep state, globalism. What they required, it seems...

based on the cultural arguments that they're supporting, is a person of colour, a female in fact, a woman of colour who can advocate for positions that will ultimately benefit the continuing power of the state, deep state and globalism in order to distract us from the fact that those are themselves tyrannical,

centralised authoritarian entities. And in order to do that, first, you have to present a superficial case in the cipher that you offer us to vote for. And secondly, the opponent has to be portrayed as a deep,

scarlet and satanic entity. That's the way I see it. Let me know in the comments in the chat if you agree with that little bit of analysis. Myself, this is what I believe as a Christian. We are all God's children. All of us are invited to participate. I have no business judging anybody. You are all worthy of love. Forgiveness is available for all of us and there is no principle more powerful than peace and love between us for the final command

and was love one another. That's what he went out on. Let's have a look at this peculiar answer now. Kamala Harris gets, this is just, I suppose, an unexpected answer and a perhaps irrelevant compliment. Have a look at this. What do you say to those people, especially ones who might be concerned that, you know, doing a big closing argument speech at a place like the Ellipse may be leaning more into talking about the threat of Trump to democracy and not his threats that you see to the economy? Yeah.

One of the things that I love about the American people is we can hold many thoughts at once. And one of the highest priorities for the American people right now is bringing down costs, and that is the priority of my agenda and will be the priority of my work when I'm elected president of the United States.

You know, Stephen Hawking, God rest his eternal soul, although I think he was an atheist. He like had that, you know, the universe is expanding. He had like a sort of voice box that could fire off certain quotes. And I figure because a lot of people ask Stephen Hawking the same question, some of them were like preloaded. So he's got that. Thank you. That was very nice of you. Thank you. No, get your hands off me. Erections are involuntary. It's on a different system. Like, you know, he had the preloaded.

answers, didn't he, Stephen Hawking? And I think that's what most, maybe most of us are like that. But it's particularly redolent and exposing when it's a person who we have given the attributes we wish they had. The Democratic Party wish they had a kind of part Obama, part

Martin Luther King, the good bits of Hillary Clinton, if we could, I suppose that would be her drive. They wish they had that. They wish they had that. But do they have that? No. So they have granted Kamala Harris these attributes. But really what she has is like most people, most people are

unless we are awakened, we are on rails. We are waiting to be triggered by external stimuli into any one of a set of responses, cliches like the TV show Westworld, like Groundhog Day. We live out the same experiences continually without the ability to be spontaneous and true spontaneity will come from reacting to the moment and the moment

is where you will find the Lord and the moment where you will find awakening. Let me know in the comments in the chat if you agree with that on Rumble and on YouTube and also you Awaken Wonders in the locals community. Stay with us because it's just a matter of time before we're going to be on with Carl Lent. That's 2 p.m. Eastern time. It's hardly any time at all. You might as well stick around and wait for that to happen. Now, we can't continue

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Whatever you think of Donald Trump, his willingness to participate in a three hour long conversation with Joe Rogan is an indication that he's willing to be interrogated. Now, we're not privy to any pre-production conversations. What was on the table? What was off the table when it comes to questions? I've not watched it in its entirety yet. So were there any notable questions that weren't asked? Ask yourself that. But what

we can say with some certainty is Kamala Harris refused the Joe Rogan opportunity. We're going to leave you if you're on YouTube right now, start the countdown. So why would Kamala Harris not agree to be interviewed by the most popular online broadcaster, broadcaster and streamer full stop? If you want to reach a large audience, if you want

to win an election, you've got to talk to Joe Rogan. And if you've got nothing to hide, why would you be afraid to sit down with Joe Rogan for three hours and say, just ask me what you want and I'll do my best? What does it tell us that one candidate would do that and one candidate wouldn't? Click the link in the description. We're going to be answering that question and so many more. Let's have a look

the reasons why Kamala Harris might not be down with that kind of stuff. I think Michelle Obama's sticking up for her here. She's putting herself out there fearlessly, facing down even her harshest critics. She's seeking out Republicans to find common ground.

I found some common ground with Dick Cheney. What that common ground is, is the Middle Eastern territories that American tax dollars will be used to fund wars with and territorial takeovers of. Like,

Having common ground with Dick Cheney ain't a great thing. What do you want? Common ground with Jeffrey Dahmer. You know, I've got to find common ground and I just decided to, why stop at nibbling the fingernails? Chew down the whole hand. And why chew your own fingernails? Chew someone else's. You know, common ground with Dick Cheney is not a good thing, except maybe in the area of he loves his daughter. And I suppose deep down he's a,

probably he's ultimately full of love, isn't he? Unless people are actually captured by dark forces that we cannot understand. Kamala Harris also is not really true to say that she's faced down her enemies. She hasn't faced down her enemies, has she? Because she wouldn't even go on Joe Rogan, who has been a Democrat like Donald Trump in the past. Donald Trump used to be a Democrat. So that's not fair. That's simply not true.

And unlike her opponent, she's not ducking interviews or cowering in safe spaces only with fawning audiences. No, she's showing us what a sane, stable leader looks like.

Oh, wow. That's fantastic and brilliant. I'm looking at their chat in the Awaken Wonders and I can see someone. I can't see the name of the person, but a few of you have posted it a couple of times talking about what my perspective is on the Middle East. I'm very, very clear about this. I pray for an end to all war, an end to all violence. I pray for diplomatic solutions.

Immediately, immediately. That is my prayer. And when it comes to my overall position, when it comes to government, the left has been totally co-opted and is now controlled by corporatism and globalism. I know I've got no questions about that. And how will an eventual Trump presidency look? I don't know. Maybe it'll look a bit like his last presidency. That would be

the most rational analysis of that, wouldn't it? If you want to know what's going to, you know, what's going to happen if you eat an apple, maybe it's like last time you ate an apple. Maybe that would be a good thing to base it on, but maybe it'll be a nicer apple. Maybe it'll be a worse apple, but it's going to be, broadly speaking, an apple, I suppose. That would be my kind of general perspective on that. Hey, let's have a look at this. I love this.

Now, you are spiritual people. If you're spiritual, that means, well, the dictionary says spiritual means not material, means you're looking, intuiting, feeling, sensing powers that are not measurable and rational, not in the sensory sense of that word, a deeper, more opaque world.

A subtler form of power is available to us if we are correctly attuned. Now, the Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was asked about how concerned she was about the long-term status of the dollar with the BRICS summit taking place, which could collapse the global power of the dollar. Sometimes a power greater than ourselves steps in to indicate exactly what we should be concerned about, to give us a subtler, symbolic,

interpretation of events and almost an omen of what might come to pass. And that beautifully and appositely occurs right here, right now, when Janet Yellen, Treasury Secretary, is asked, are you worried about the BRICS at all? And over a longer time horizon, how concerned are you about the potential impact of the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency?

I mean, I'm not superstitious, but that appears to be the universe saying the whole thing could collapse if we're not extremely careful. Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that. Now, we've all seen Tim Walz's...

His extraordinary wife speaking patronizingly to audiences up and down the country. And one of the most famous things about Tim Waltz was his decision, wasn't it, to put tampons in bathrooms of people that are unlikely to menstruate. I think that's one of his most famous decisions. Here's an extraordinary explanation for why that might have been taking place. You know, if kids are hungry in school, what that does to brain and learning, you're not going to learn to read.

So if you're talking about learning to read and closing gaps, then you better take away the barriers for that. If that's tampons, then that's tampons. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense.

That doesn't make sense that you put tampons in it. Well, like you can read on it like a tampon. Well, I won't be needing them because I don't menstruate. Extraordinary piece of rationale right there. OK, so, of course, one of the big stories that we are covering is the Madison Square Garden rally. Was it a contemporary political event to drive support for?

Before an election, or was it a harking back to fascism beyond nationalism? Nazism was an attempt to recreate a 1939 America first star rally in which people literally wore swastikas. And if it was, would you see the star of David there? And would Donald Trump have recently met with imams and ablations?

the leaders from the Muslim community. I'm not saying that political leaders aren't capable of making astute choices in order to mask true intentions. I believe that's actually de rigueur and the modus operandi of most political movements in the world today. But is...

Donald Trump really the next Hitler or do the inept globalists that currently run America and have been since the election of Joe Biden, perhaps for a lot longer than that, require a truly demonic opponent in order to mask their own Luciferian intentions? Let's get into this story about Madison Square Gardens and MSNBC once again finding new ways to compare. You know,

that shakespeare song shall i compare thee to a summer's day thou art more lovely shall i compare you to adolf hitler let me count the ways well um i don't know hitler he had a penis but that jamboree happening right now you see it there on your screen in that place is particularly chilling

Because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so-called pro-America rally. A rally where speakers voiced anti-Semitic rhetoric from a stage draped with Nazi banners.

When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote, instantly a dozen or more stormtroopers set upon him, knocking him down and beating him as he held his head in his arms. Most of his clothing was torn from his body.

That's really funny because that is bad that that happened but that's not like Madison Square Garden last night. That's what happened then at that rally. That was definitely bad. I'm sure there are lots of people that support Trump and support MAGA that would say I don't think that the Jewish guy that rushed the stage in 1939 should have been stripped near naked and attacked by stormtroopers. In fact,

The reason that the United States joined the war, as well as there would have been certainly territorial and economic reasons, was at least in part to defend the threatened Jews then from genocide. That's why genocide in any form continues to, of course, be bad. Later, he was booked for disorderly conduct. Now, against that backdrop of history, Donald Trump, the man... Again, now, I'm going to give you that backdrop. Something anti-Semitic happened.

Now Donald Trump. Bill Clinton's done rallies at Madison Square Garden. That's the venue. You still have things happen at Brandenburg Gate in Germany. We've just heard this. Hitler was actually Chancellor of Germany. So we're closing down all of Germany. Hitler drove a Mercedes. We cannot have Mercedes anywhere at all.

Hitler used to drink Fanta. We cannot have Fanta available anymore for anybody. Hitler was a vegetarian. Everyone must continually eat meat. Adolf Hitler was an artist, and I once saw Donald Trump looking at a painting. So do you see? He's trying to look at the painting and imagine in his mind, oh, Hitler though. So maybe against that backdrop,

Will you please vote for Camaris, even though plainly she is an inept hollow cipher of the interests of globalism, otherwise anti-Semite. Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within, who has threatened to use the...

Just now, a law has been passed in your country allowing the use of lethal force at protests. You know that after January 6th, they increased the funding to the Capitol Police in Washington. You know that the level of authoritarianism you experienced in your country during the pandemic period. And right now, another $50 billion is being given by the G7 to fund the ongoing Ukraine-Russia war where the Azov Battalion fight on behalf of the Ukraine. And they are literal...

and 20 billion of that is your taxpayer dollars and a significant amount of that will end up in the hands of corporatists and curiously and ironically one of the people involved in sanctioning that is a Republican politician so it is pretty complicated I'll grant you that but when it comes to

tyranny when it comes to subjects like genocide and the various ways that that could be expressed. You've got to be very, very careful about the people that are masking themselves in liberalism and compassion because they are likely the biggest threat. To use the troops to quell what he says are lawless cities and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants is once again turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism. Ha ha ha.

Oh my God. It's desperate. Let's have a look at some of the other things that happened at Madison Square Garden. Firstly, I want to see Bobby Kennedy giving a speech there. Now, loads of you are 2016 MAGA. Loads of you have loved Trump from the minute he come down the golden escalator. Loads of you just love Trump as a guy. A lot of you are like kind of skeptical, confused about Donald Trump. I'm sure there's a variety of opinions on the character and nature of Donald Trump. Many people,

people will be fascinated that an independent figure like Bobby Kennedy, lifelong affiliated with the Democratic Party, is now part of the MAGA movement. And I would invite former liberal friends of mine to ponder what is the relationship between democratic former...

Bobby Kennedy would be a nominee for the Democratic Party if the Democratic Party would afford an independent candidate, and I mean independent-minded in this sense, to rise within their ranks. They have eschewed that possibility. They want heritage and legacy politicians. Clintons, Obamas, they didn't want Bernie Sanders. Too radical. What they want are people that are malleable and that they can control. Now, Bobby Kennedy,

Bobby Kennedy, you know, Bobby Kennedy, that dude's like an environmentalist lawyer. He stands up to big pharma. He'll stand up to big food. One of my big questions is in the event of a MAGA and Trump victory in November, is Bobby Kennedy going to be allowed to stand up against the FDA and stand up against Pfizer? Is he going to be able to stand up against big food? Is he going to be able to curtail the controls that are required, the controls that actually

agriculture have over your land and over your farming? Is he going to be able to, obviously along with Trump, who's going to be the president and it's not part of his purview to intervene in geopolitical and military matters, but will the mindset of opposing corporatism and globalism be able to prevail? Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that. Here is Bobby Kennedy saying he didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me. And I say, I don't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.

This is not the party anymore of Martin Luther King, of Robert Kennedy, of John Kennedy. That was the party of peace. It was the party of constitutional rights, of civil rights, of freedom of speech. It was the party that wanted to protect and nurture the middle class. It was the party that stood up to censorship, to surveillance,

That stood up to the CIA, the military industrial complex, and it was the party that wanted to protect public health. It was the party that believed in voting rights and fought for the right of every American to vote for the person of their choice. Today's Democratic Party is the party of war. It's the party of the CIA. You have Kamala Harris giving a

Speech at the Democratic Convention that was written by neocons, that was belligerent, pugnacious, that talked about the domination of the world by the United States.

Ashley, do you know what I want to do? This is an open invitation to any people that are thinking of voting for Kamala Harris and the Democrats. What do you make of Bobby Kennedy's position and inclusion in this movement? How do you reconcile the rhetoric of Kamala Harris and the celebrities that endorse her with

the ongoing wars that are being supported by American taxpayer dollars across the world right now. Why is Kamala Harris not saying I will use the office of president to ensure that peace is brought about in these various regional wars that have the potential to escalate to a global war? I will use the office of president to oppose the corporation

that are currently clandestine operators when it comes to both national and global policy making. I will ensure the deconstruction of the deep state so that you, the American people, have maximum individual sovereignty, maximum community governance. We will not continually be looking for ways to impair, incur, control your freedom and authority. Why don't

you go on Joe Rogan at Kamala Harris and say just that because that will be difficult to defy. That will be difficult to argue with and let me answer my own rhetorical question. The reason Kamala Harris cannot do that is because Kamala Harris, whether she knows it or not, is totally dependent

on globalist and corporatist power. Absolutely and totally. Now, I'm not saying that that is a problem that is exclusively on one side of the political aisle. There's no doubt that the Republican Party must get donations from big energy and big tech and billionaires and the Elon Musk

Elon Musk is the richest man in the world, isn't he? And he's going to have some pretty powerful corporate interests. But when it comes to the figure of Elon Musk, he did open up X. We do know what was going on in Twitter, FBI, CIA, under Biden, under Kamala Harris. So the reason people are cynical and skeptical about Kamala Harris is because there's good reason to be. And the people that aren't, the people that are still basically saying, hold your nose and vote for this flavor of corruption, aren't.

Are you not noticing that Bobby Kennedy, like Bobby Kennedy a couple of years ago, I was scared to have him on my show. I was like, well, this guy's been a bit like vocal on the subject of vaccines. This guy's been a bit out there with his criticisms of Anthony Fauci. This guy's took on a powerful, powerful corporate interest in agriculture and in pharma. Are you sure, Russell? Were you brave enough to ally yourself to him?

Well, man, the world has changed. The world's changing fast. And my own particular position as a Christian is mounted on the fact that no material thing is going to save any of us. Only God will save us. And what I mean by God, well, I mean by God is surrender to Jesus Christ. But what you could possibly interpret that...

as if you aren't down with Jesus just yet is what is your highest principle? Is the highest possible principle having the power to pray to be able to sacrifice yourself for something greater than you, something greater than you?

That's what I'm praying for. That's what I'm praying for. Now, which direction do you think that Kamala Harris wants to take the country in? Do you think that ultimately you're going to end up with more globalism, more corporatism, great global leviathans whose tentacles lash the planet with corrupt and corporate power? Or do you think your individual freedom might be served? And if you see Michelle Obama plainly and dishonestly claiming that Kamala Harris has taken on her fiercest opponents, that's simply not true. She has absolutely

take an interview after interview with softball punters like your man Anderson Cooper and has not fared well in even those environments. And the reason for that is a simple one, because within there is the concealment of an agenda that can't ever be explicitly expressed. And also, I would say, as well as that agenda, I don't know how much someone like Kamala Harris will be privy to the sort of deep machinations of globalism. There is the sense that

I don't really know what the bloody hell to say in response to some of these questions. I mean, you know, anyone who watches that can see it in real time. But that's just what I think. Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat, baby. Where are we going after that? Oh, a bit more Bobby. ...staged through our weapons of war. The Harris campaign is very proud that it received the endorsement of 50 former CIA agents and officers, and of John Bolton, and of Dick Cheney.

These are the people that gave us the war in Iraq, the worst foreign policy catastrophe that's ever happened to this country. These are the people that gave us the Patriot Act, that launched the surveillance state. These are the people that are trying to undermine voting rights in this country.

by weaponizing the federal agencies against political candidates, including me and Donald Trump and all other political candidates that can't win an election. And instead of bringing in a candidate who wins the primaries, abolish the primaries and then pick two candidates, anoint them without receiving votes. We don't even know how Kamala Harris received the nomination.

Extraordinary. And that doesn't seem like the kind of free speech and open democracy that that party claims to represent and claims to bring in were they to be granted another four years. Because let's remember, they're in office right now. And if Donald Trump is the Hitlerian authoritarian despot that they claim, then why is he actively

actively seeking the endorsement of imams and members of the Muslim community. I suppose whatever your position is on the variety of faiths, the Abrahamic and the non-Abrahamic faiths, surely you recognize that what we all aim for is a vision, at least, of unity because the alternative to unity is tyranny.

Voluntary surrender and involuntary surrender. Let's have a look at this story about Trump and his recent endorsements from imams, mayors and other Muslim community leaders. Good afternoon, Michiganders. As the president said, we just had a positive meeting with President Trump. We as Muslims stand with President Trump because he promises peace. He promises peace, not war.

We are supporting Donald Trump because he promised to end war in the Middle East and Ukraine. The bloodshed has to stop all over the world and I think this man can make that happen. I personally believe that God saved his life twice for a reason.

Whoa, that's pretty good stuff. That's pretty good stuff there. President for peace. Now, can those claims be made by supporters of the Democratic Party? Or do you believe that they are more deeply controlled? Let me know in the comments and chat by globalist powers. And there's

call it what it is, the military-industrial complex. And will Donald Trump in office be able to oppose the likes of Raytheon, Norfolk Grumman, Lockheed Martin, those great, powerful and extraordinary entities that exist under the general umbrellas of the Black Rocks and the Vanguards and what

Who knows what powers lie even beyond them? And are any of us safe from the influence of those powers, no matter what institution or system we were to politically advocate for? One thing we can say about Donald Trump, which I'm certainly is the guy knows how to communicate in the modern social media sphere. It was he, after all, that first deployed Twitter as a political tool back

baffling his opponents with his caps lock attacks. And now still to this day, with the world trying to amend and adjust to the new landscape that Trump has certainly participated in the creation of, he is still at the forefront of communications. You've seen the Joe Rogan, Donald Trump interview by now, and you probably would have come away from it thinking, I don't know, that he seems somewhat comfortable and affable in a three hour conversation. I've been on Joe Rogan and I find it hard just to cope with not going for a pee. That's the

biggest challenge I'm having most of the time in that chair. So here he is in his 80s, not

necessarily micturating for a while, neither before or after. Joe Rogan said he didn't pee before, didn't pee after. And here he is on the most famous or one famous aspect of Trump's persona. That is his sense of humor. Let's have a look at this part of the conversation before delving into the somewhat more significant matter of how will he handle control of the deep state and corporate disinterest. First, though, Trump and his sense of humor.

So I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn't... It wasn't like I was trying. In fact...

I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me why. Oh, I can definitely tell you. You said a lot of wild shit. Maybe. You said a lot of wild shit, and then CNN, in all their brilliance, by highlighting your wild shit, made you much more popular. Yeah. And they boosted you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit, pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they did,

Didn't agree with you. They at least knew whoever that guy is. That's him. That's really him. When you see certain people talk certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. They see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it.

One of the beautiful things about you is that you freeball. Like, you get out and you do these huge events, and you're just talking. We've highlighted you on the show many times. When he did this Biden impression where he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny. It's stand-up. It's funny stuff. But it's like you were making fun of Elon one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have, like, comedic instincts. Like, when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail. Like, that's great timing. Yeah.

But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one had done that. And I think it's funny. You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business.

This is a very dangerous business, first of all. It's a very tough business. It's the most dangerous business. For a job? Yes. I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business. It's the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous. Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts.

And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was attacks on Biden, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it. In a way, Trump talking to Rogan is...

is in a sense the, you could call it the symbolic event of our new media landscape. Trump is the first post-mass media or mass social media political leader, and Joe Rogan is its first true star. The two of them communicating on almost any subject, and of course they covered a variety, amounts to the epitomizing event of our time. Even

Even something as significant as the MAGA movement and the forthcoming election pale in significance when contrasted with what might be happening epocally. Now, by epocally, I mean beneath the superficial and stimulating events on the surface, there are deeper trends and deeper movements playing out. Tectonically is, I suppose, a good way to regard that.

And I guess what the two of them are talking about there via the subject of Trump's sense of humor is authenticity. In the past, it was easier to manage a persona or to manage an idea. You have obedient press, you have an obedient agency like the New York Times or the

BBC or CNN. You have obedient agencies within the deep state. Who they're obedient to, by the way, I don't know entirely, but it's easier to manage reality. Now we have tools now that could manage reality to an unprecedented degree. You could live in a totally immersive snow globe of CNN's world.

But that's not possible because of the intervening and disruptive forces that exist within independent media. And I guess Joe Rogan is the clarifying shard at the forefront of it, the tip of the spear. So seeing the two of them talk together, it's...

pretty fascinating. It's impossible, I reckon, to imagine that Kamala Harris can win this election because after that Madison Square Garden rally and after that Joe Rogan conversation, did you see some of the polls around it? People like 96% of people would vote for Trump. Now, of course, it's a particular section of the audience. There are places where in Manhattan, say, or places in LA where you could go and you would not meet anyone that likes Joe Rogan or Donald Trump.

But the culture has been ordered irrevocably. The technology that we have now can be used to create total decentralization or at least maximum decentralization. And I suppose you couldn't have any cohesion within decentralization unless there was some agreed upon guiding principles, perhaps like autonomy within each community and perhaps simple things like

end all forms of genocide and war, use diplomacy to advocate for peace.

always rather than to facilitate the military advantages of the potentially inferior or superior side. So there's always going to be a requirement for human beings for virtue, for principles, and those principles have to be derived from something. And I don't think you can derive those principles from the culture and its vicissitudes and its continual changes. The culture is too unreliable, baby. Too unreliable. Too

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Now, Kamala Harris weren't very comfortable, was she, talking about mistakes when Anderson Cooper in that softball interview asked her, what mistakes have you made? She said, I think my biggest mistakes is I like listening to the advice of a large team that are around me of experts. That's a literal definition of aristocracy and technocracy, but that's just a side note. That's a side note. Don't get caught up in that. When Rogan asked Trump about his mistakes, here are his answers. Now, let me know in the comments and chat.

Is this the kind of authenticity and integrity that you expect? And in a minute, what we'll look at is how, in this part of the conversation, what comes to the forefront, if you ask me, is the big challenge that any eventual Trump administration would be confronted with. How

do you take on Big Pharma, the military industrial complex, and globalism not in its bureaucratic forms, which would be groups like WHO and NATO. You can just tell them we're stopping funding you and we're not signing your treaties. But when it comes to Google, Raytheon, Boeing, Pfizer, BlackRock, let me know in the comments and chat, do you think Trump and the MAGA movement are going to take on that aspect of globalism? The star

looking at rogan and trump chatting about exactly that then we're going to move into this significant moment that will have been lost because of the nature of the coverage that's going on about the electoral cycle that another 50 billion dollars has been granted to ukraine and you know ukraine shouldn't be being annihilated by russia we all agree that but we know there's also a complex history to how we found ourselves in this war and funding this war of that

50 billion, 20 billion dollars of it is yours. So we're going to be getting to that and covering that. But first of all, here's Trump saying what his biggest mistake was. And ultimately, he says it's the people that he appointed. He was given bad advice. But what would a second Trump term look like? Will he be able to bypass that? Is he really going to be able to take on the true power that is masked by the institutions of democracy? Let's have a look at it.

The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people. I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. Neocons? Neocons.

Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people or – People that were just bad. People that weren't – Because you got bad advice. Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them a little bit today. A guy like Kelly who was a bully, a bully but a weak person, you know. You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. Yeah. But, you know –

He's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know John Bolton? A friend of mine called me up. I was picking Bolton, and he's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas. He's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player. He's just a natural. He's got poker sense, right? Good old poker sense. Yeah.

And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of a guy and one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him. Why? He's a bad guy. Now, he wasn't in politics at all. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just it always works out bad with that guy.

I said, oh, man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know, he's here. And he was right. But he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man, Trump's going to go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.

I mean, he's still got the quality that sets him apart is that he sounds like a normal person. I mean, he's an extraordinary person, isn't he? He's a billionaire and he's achieved in a variety of fields. But to talk like, hey, this guy's a nutjob. I mean, when you hear someone talk like that compared to the peculiar intonations of Kamala or Clinton or even like Bush Senior or Trump,

you know certainly career politicians like cheney etc you notice that he's talking in a way that's sort of recognizable it's very unusual and it's extraordinary so do you think though there might be more to obviously there is more to running the united states of america than that and in particular specifically rather than just the appointments that are made of you know hawkish figures like john bolton what their relationship is going to be like with pfizer and other like

For example, is Donald Trump saying, what we're going to do is we're going to ban lobbying as a profession. We're not going to bother with that. We're just going to form our own internal assessments of what policies to pursue when it comes to war or commercial interests in America. No, they're not going to do that, are they? They're going to continue to have lobbying. And are they going to continue to accept donations from massive corporations? I would imagine that they probably are. So what

exists then in that particular institutional trend if that's not going to be disrupted do you hear what i'm saying because i've spoke to bobby kennedy about that particularly on this show i've said you know if you still have donations funding yeah you're still vulnerable to that kind of inflection aren't you so let's have a look now at what's happening with the g7 and sending 50 billion to

perpetuate the ongoing conflict between ukraine and russia and i say this because if ukraine couldn't continue to fund that war then they would have to come to terms with russia and they would not be favorable terms because russia would be the victor so i suppose what the g7 could be doing is saying look we're not going to fund the perpetuation of the war but we are going to support ukraine when it comes to the negotiation that is a way out of it but i mean i can't be right can i can't be right i'm just some guy i can't be right about this okay let's have a look uh that's the u.s

Senate's G7 allies are moving forward with a $50 billion loan package to help Ukraine fight Russia. The U.S. is contributing $20 billion in economic and military aid, but Congress still needs to give the go-ahead for the military part of that package. This aid will be vital for Ukraine as winter is on the horizon.

Hmm. Okay. So this is the House Intel chief saying that the US must consider direct military action if North Korean troops fight in Ukraine. So there's a potential for this thing to continue escalating. And it's interesting that this is a Republican saying that if North Korea join Russia, there will be a continuation of funding. So

Does that mean that even in the event of a Trump presidency, that you would still be funding that war? Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that. So Mike Turner, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, has called for the US to consider direct military action if North Korean troops are sent to fight in Ukraine. If North Korean troops were to invade Ukraine's sovereign territory, the United States needs to seriously consider taking direct

military action against the North Korean troops, Turner wrote on X. The Ohio congressman also said if North Korean troops attack Ukraine from Russian territory, the U.S. should support long-range Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory using NATO-provided missiles, which Russia has made clear risks nuclear war.

Zelensky claimed that about 10,000 North Korean troops could enter the war. He's hyping up the threat to push the US and NATO to adopt his so-called victory plan, which calls for significant escalations in military support. I don't think any of us want to see significant escalations in that

conflict or any conflict, what we want is de-escalation and peace. Indeed, isn't part of the new purview that we should be adopting as an advancing species, that we want to bring about peace through communing rather than conflicting continually. Doesn't it seem a little martial, a little stone age, a little Neanderthal, that we're continuing to resolve territorial disputes through bloodshed and violence, particularly when there's a level of complexity in those territorial disputes that needs to be unpacked with

god, I don't know, philosophy, theology, rationalism, a whole variety of disciplines could be brought to bear on the complex wars that are playing out both in the Middle East and in Europe and could be escalating elsewhere. Also, if we don't somehow disrupt this trend where crisis for ordinary people equals opportunity for powerful interests and institutions, an obvious example being the pandemic, which whilst it might have been extremely punishing for small

businesses of every variety, individuals of all descriptions, was incredibly beneficial when it comes to the massive wealth transfer that took place during that period. Now, one of the challenges is, if you reduce the size of the state, which I do believe is necessary, is who is it then that is going to control rampant corporatism and globalism, which is a significantly

part of the globalist machine. It's not just the state that is controlling us. It is the state in partnership with corporatism. So are we going to see genuine opposition to, let's just name some of the brands, who are the companies that benefit from Americans not being healthy again? Who are

are the interests that benefit from America being in perpetual war, in perpetual sickness. If you can name them, if you can identify their logos, then you can directly ask of your leaders whether it were Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. Shouldn't matter.

what should matter is this are you going to end war are you going to oppose the most powerful interests in the world which we now know to be the nexus of interests that meet between corporatism and globalist bureaucracies so yes oppose nato yes refuse the who treaty yes put america first but that america has to be americans not american corporations that aren't

really American. They're global. Because if you were to analyze and scrutinize at some length the way that perhaps, I don't know, Amazon, Alphabet, Apple, the triple A's pay taxes, I bet you would find some anomalies when compared to how you pay taxes. I bet you would find convenient loopholes. And when it comes to donating and congressmen and women owning stocks and shares in companies that they regulate, you would find some hypocrisies. And

if those interests aren't opposed, then we haven't done the necessary job, have we? Well, that's just what I think. Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat. Okay, well, listen, if you're not an Awaken Wonder yet, you should seriously consider becoming one because we do our show, Break Bread, once a week, in which I talk about the Christian component of changing the world. That doesn't mean you have to be Christian. It just means that

I am Christian. Let's have a look at this part of the conversation I had with Ruslan the other day. This is us taking a little bit of literal communion, or is this the bit where I...

reflect on where problems are coming from. I'm going to do that one. I'm going to put up this clip. And after that, it seems like most of you want to see the Megan Kelly clip where Megan Kelly was well up for challenging. It was when she was on Bill Maher. I think most of you voted for that one. So we'll do that when we're back. But if you're not an Awaken Wonder yet, become an Awaken Wonder before tomorrow when Carl Lentz will be at the show, 2 p.m. Eastern time. Make sure you're there for that conversation. Join us live for that. You get to ask him questions as well. So

send your questions in, if you're already in Awake and Wonder, and we will play your questions to him. If there's a bit of scripture that you want us to discuss, or problems or challenges in Christianity, like hypocrisy, don't you think he's a bit hypocritical? What about, you know, the colonial interests of imperialism and the crusades? Anything. All of it. That's what we want to talk about. Let's have a look at part of my

conversation with Ruslan. That's what's amazing. You start doing it and you start to change. And one of the fundamental obstacles I had was I don't want to, and I didn't know this at the time, I still wanted to be God. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that the problem was I want to be God. And when you categorically accept Jesus Christ, a fully man, fully God, came to earth, died for my sins that I may be redeemed, rose again that I may know eternal life.

All of my meanness, which is the problem, you know, I might complain about global politics. I might complain about the culture. But a lot of the problems wasn't because of Putin or Kamala Harris or Diddy. The problems were because I couldn't deal with I'm not getting my own way.

Join us tomorrow when I'll be talking to Carl Lenz. You have to be an Awake and Wonder Locals community member in order to do that. The details are in the chat right now on Rumble as to how you can become one and join us for these live conversations coming up soon. We're going to be talking to some pretty powerful Christians and you are going to love it. If you have questions, bring those questions to us so that we can answer them together in faith. Oh,

want to have an argument with megan kelly she knows how to handle combat don't she isn't she a former lawyer she's come a long long way baby she's a person that when confronted knows how to handle it i saw her quite recently defending her decision to be a trump supporter which is extraordinary because one of the great iconic moments of 2015 was like blood blood coming from their eyes blood coming from other places that kind of stuff was pretty intense well now

Megyn Kelly is pro-Trump. The world's changing. It's changing fast. Here she is, and the title says, torching, torching Bill Maher for his criticism of Trump. Now, Bill Maher is another person, like Chris Cuomo now, who's coming out and sort of recognizing, hang on a minute, these institutions of the Democratic Party is corrupt. It's a very interesting moment in your country.

Let's have a look at this conflict between Megyn Kelly and Bill Maher and work out what it is exactly about it that fascinates us. Is it her as an individual? Is it him as an individual? Or is it the points that they're making? Because, you know, we get captivated by personality, baby. I'm not saying you don't have a point. I'm just saying it's hard for people to understand why that, which is not democracy, that's the border issue. And you're right. They fucked it up. That is...

With like the things he's been saying and all the people in his administration who said he's a fascist, he wants to be a fascist, he talks like a fascist, his friends are all dictators. I don't care about that at all. Not at all. Because January 6th was not good. Wait, why don't you care about that at all? Because they've been saying that about Trump for years. They've been saying that about Republican candidates for years. It goes, it has like a long storied history. If you are at all center or center right,

You are used to having your candidate of choice completely demonized, whether it's the F word, the R word, the misogynist word. They tried to tell us Mitt Romney was a raging sexist because of binders full of women. They tried to tell us John McCain was a raging racist, notwithstanding the fact that he had adopted a daughter from Bangladesh. They've been doing this for every Republican. They get to Trump, and we no longer are listening to them.

Trump has incendiary rhetoric, there's no question. But we have four years to judge him by, and the country was going pretty well when Trump was in there, unlike the four years we've had under these two. Well, I mean, I could argue with that, too. Actually, if Trump...

I had this economy and I could go through all the stats. The stock market is through the roof. Wages are up. That's how it was under Trump. Well, first of all, Trump inherited somebody else's economy. That's what Barack Obama would like us to do. Well, it's true. Okay.

It's really on day one, everything changed. It's all a lot of political conversations amount to that. That's old school. This is there are many novel phenomena that have emerged as a result of the fact that we have new media now, new means of communication. Time seems to be moving more quickly. We live in a perpetual blizzard of anxiety.

never-ending data, but the, oh, that was the fault of my predecessor, or I can't get it through Congress. Those arguments are perennial. They've always existed. It amounts to blame. If all you're going to do is blame your opponent, then what's the... Well, all right, you might as well get out of here then, because you can't overcome the mandates or tenure of your predecessor. What you want from a leader is...

isn't it? I'm going to, directed by a power greater than me, serve you. I am going to do it. I am going to overcome obstacles, even if it kills me. I am going to overcome those obstacles. Now, if you're not getting that, you don't have leadership. Now, what I suppose we're in a negotiation about broadly is whether or not you want your secular, inverted commas, leaders even to take on those kind of challenges, or do you want them simply to

make sure that the amenities and municipality functions. The water is working. The light turns on when I press a switch. Trash is getting collected. Vagrancy is lower. This country seems somewhat cohesive and we're not continually funding wars all around the world. That's, you know, a set of ideals that are not necessarily spiritual, though I reckon if you

To quote Kamala Harris, kick the tires long enough, you'll start to see that beneath them are ideas that are rooted in theology, such as a kind of a unitive principle that God is relational, as in the Trinity, that peace and service are important. And perhaps that highest idea, something I've only started considering recently as a result of my conversation with Jordan Peterson, you can watch now on Locals, this notion that God

Why Christ is a powerful figure, one of the reasons that Christ, fully man, fully God, is powerful because he makes the idea of sovereignty about not power of a king to dominate, power of a king to serve, power of a king to act.

absolutely self-sacrifice. We've been coached and trained by our culture to see heroism as about individual achievement, but heroism baked deep into our understanding of reality will always include sacrifice. Now I'm talking about sort of a Jungian approach or even your own great academic and

sort of popular academic, Joseph Campbell, who would say that in any story, any myth that's going to have any tenacity, any tactility at all, its hero will have to, at some point, sacrifice themselves for another. So think about your favourite movie or your favourite book and you will find at some point the protagonist does that. At some point, Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker or Erin Brockovich or...

Max Caius Maximus or whatever your RP McMurphy, in the end, they have to sacrifice themselves for a higher good. Almost as if that principle is somehow encoded deep within our DNA. Now, there are many things we can measure. There are many things we can understand through our

brilliant, brilliant minds, our collective minds, through our instruments of magnification and specificity. But there are also things we will never understand. Think of some of the greatest minds we've ever known in the field of science. Newton, proven wrong. Einstein, proven wrong. Now, here we are in the quantum era, where we recognize that there appears to be a relationship between consciousness, or at least observation, and

and matter itself, that things aren't straightforward, that there is something that will always require faith, the intention appears to be part of the deal, way down are the smallest components of observable and measurable reality. Doesn't that suggest to you a creator? Doesn't that suggest to you a set of universal principles, i.e. principles that cannot be denied, cannot be desecrated, cannot

be undone. I don't know. It seems to suggest to me that materialism and secularism are themselves under ideological threat and that we need to move forward, that our institutions are no longer fit for purpose. In the same way that Napster destroyed the record industry, that the Occupy movement showed that new forms of protest were becoming apparent, new political ventures will emerge out of this technology. But the

those political movements, if not serviced by an ideology that is robust because precisely it is universal, then you are not going to have a sustainable movement. What are your virtues? Do your virtues change from day to day? Are you willing to say on stage that that

Kamala Harris has faced down her fiercest distractors knowing that she said no to Joe Rogan. Are you willing to say this war's good but I'm against this war? Are you willing to say this billionaire's good but this billionaire's bad? These ideas apply across both parties. Indeed, the true radical looks not absolutely

the political parties, but looks at the institutions and framing in which they exist and say, what are we taking for granted here? What could be really challenged here? What could we move beyond here? So that's why I suppose you have to have a cultural purview that can sort of take on board Alex Jones and David Icke and Bishop Robert Barron and Barack

Obama and Dick Cheney. You've got to somehow swim in this confusing sea and not go under and not drown and not become ignorant and not become hateful. And you are not going to be able to walk on water yourself. You need to believe in someone who can. So just walk me through it. So Trump has Obama to thank for his economy, but Biden can't thank Trump for anything. Okay.

Let's get off this. Because it's not what I really want to get to. Amazing smile from Megyn Kelly as she recognises that her opponent has been bested. Bill Maher been on that show a bunch of times and Bill Maher contributed a lot to the culture and I think he's a, I pray, he's a fundamentally decent human being. But Megyn Kelly, she's a fierce...

there and we just see her in action. But what's important, of course, is principles, not personalities. What are we really discussing there? The tendency between both parties to blame their predecessor and when it's convenient, you'll say, oh, but Trump...

he inherited Obama's economy, but the reverse is not true. Unless you have real principles, unless you have real values, you're always going to struggle. Certainly that's been my experience in life, but that's just why I think, why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and

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