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Lara Logan EXPOSES the Media's Hidden Agendas & Power Plays – SF499

2024/11/24
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Russell Brand:主流媒体与独立媒体的权力斗争在2016年(特朗普当选和英国脱欧)和2024年(特朗普再次当选)都得到了体现,这表明政府不能再依赖传统媒体来控制信息,从而保证有利于他们的选举结果。 Lara Logan:我们正处于第五代战争(信息战)阶段,信息不再仅仅是战争武器,而是整个战场。2016年、2020年和2024年美国大选都证明了这一点,传统媒体的信息控制(信息优势)在2024年被打破,独立媒体和公民记者的崛起至关重要。公民新闻很重要,但目前缺乏指导和原则,需要建立在新闻原则基础上的独立媒体。 Lara Logan:技术试图模仿上帝的全能,将人们与创造者分离,这是撒旦的策略。全球主义和公司主义背后的力量专注于与上帝对抗,通过各种方式(包括对儿童的虐待)来造成痛苦和伤害。许多看似积极的社会运动(如性教育)背后隐藏着破坏家庭和道德的意图,毒品和酒精被用来削弱人们的意志,使他们更容易受到黑暗势力的影响。她分享了自己的人生经历,强调了信仰和与上帝的联系的重要性,以及在面对邪恶时保持正直和坚持原则的重要性。撒旦会创造条件,让人们做出错误的选择,但重要的是要坚持自己的原则,做出正确的选择。

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Why did the rise of independent media become significant after the 2016 election of Donald Trump and the Brexit vote?

These events demonstrated that traditional media no longer guaranteed favorable electoral outcomes, prompting a shift towards independent media as a more influential information source.

How did the control of online communications change between the 2016 and 2024 elections?

Centralized authorities, including censorship and tech platforms, attempted to manage online communications to prevent a repeat of the 2016 surprise, but the 2024 election showed these efforts were not fully effective.

What role did Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter play in the information battle space?

Musk's takeover of Twitter broke the information dominance previously held by centralized media, allowing for a groundswell of truth from citizen journalists and activists.

Why is it challenging for young journalists to cover sensitive topics like cartel activity?

Young journalists lack the mentorship and support needed to navigate dangerous situations, such as dealing with sources who may lie to protect themselves from cartel retaliation.

What are the Ten Commandments of Real Journalism according to Lara Logan?

They include principles like seeking the truth regardless of consequences, not misleading the public, questioning everything, and valuing firsthand sources. Full details are provided in the transcript.

How does technology contribute to the spiritual conflict described in the conversation?

Technology mimics God's omnipotence by recording and monitoring everything, feeding data into databases used to exploit and control people, thereby separating them from their creator.

What is the significance of free will in the context of good and evil?

Free will is the dividing line between good and evil; God cannot intervene when individuals choose evil, as it would violate the principle of free will.

How does deception play a role in the strategies of those promoting globalist agendas?

Deception is central to globalist strategies, as they present attractive but false solutions to societal problems, leading people away from the truth and into darkness.

What personal transformation did Lara Logan experience that helped her understand suffering and purpose?

Logan's near-death experiences and career setbacks led her to realize that her suffering was a fraction of God's pain and that her purpose was to seek and communicate the truth, aligning her with God's will.

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The conversation begins with an introduction to Lara Logan and her experiences in mainstream media, highlighting the rise of independent media and its role in breaking information dominance.
  • Lara Logan's background and her transition from mainstream to independent media.
  • The importance of independent media in challenging information dominance.
  • The potential censorship of certain topics on mainstream platforms.

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Hello there, you awakening wonders. Thanks for joining me today for this very unique, spectacular and magnificent conversation with Lara Logan. Do you know who Lara Logan is? She was once a treasured and adored debutante, clutched to the bosom of CNN, hosting 60 Minutes, adored and devout.

She's experienced some extraordinary trauma, things that sort of are staggering and difficult to believe. I'm not saying I don't believe her. I do actually believe my guest thinks she's telling the absolute truth. But for someone to have such insights on independent media, on centralized media, and above all else, the potential maneuvering of occultist forces within political and secular spaces is...

undeniably fascinating. You can see why on X she's much adored and admired by the likes of Musk himself. And I believe this is someone that will continue to inform and change the conversation. Her 10 commandments on journalism has to be

seen and heard to be believed like all of Deuteronomy. Hey, if you're watching us on YouTube, by the way, we're only going to be with you for about the first 15 minutes or so. Why? Because we start talking about dark, weird stuff, the kind of dark, weird stuff that in all frankness, in all honesty, they don't want us discussing on a platform that's to some degree controlled by a globalist interest. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's a bit late now because we've already been dubbed that. If you refuse to be compliant, what's the choice? You're a conspiracy theorist. Without

any more nonsense. In fact, with one more bit of nonsense, if you're not a member of our Awaken Wonder community on Locals right now, then become one. Break Bread is the show that I do every single week where I have conversations with fantastic Christians, whether that's Jack Posobiec or whether it's Jonathan Peugeot, who's coming up this week. It's a brilliant conversation. Well, I don't know yet. It should be. I haven't had it yet, but I know that I'll be asking him about Christ. I'll be asking him about myth. I'll be asking him about power.

Excuse me, I'll be asking him about his friendship with Jordan Peterson, all stuff that's likely to illuminate you, edify you, educate you and elevate your consciousness to a plane that you didn't believe was possible till you became a member of our community. And to get you ready for that, here's a person that stands astride numerous worlds like a colossus, forgive the image, because she's been an expert journalist. She's a journalist with integrity and power. And as a result of that, she's experienced incredible attacks

censorship. Please welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand, Lara Logan. Lara, thanks so much for being there. Thank you, Russell. Actually, I'm excited to be here. Are you? Well, you would not believe it, but I'm actually in Dallas right now, although I live in a small country town in the middle of the Texas hill country. So I'm not normally in the grand metropolis. There's around 11,000 people in my town usually.

We're living in a seismic moment when it comes to the power of legacy media or mainstream media versus independent media. Lessons that appear to have become apparent in 2016, notably in the cases of the first election of Donald Trump and the Brexit vote in the UK, where the British public voted to leave the EU, demonstrated that no longer could systems of government rely on the control

conduit to the people being the old school media and that that would guarantee them electoral results that were favourable to them. Now, we've sort of seen it again in 2024. Prior to Trump's second election, the conversations I was having with people in this space were, do you think that since 2016, centralised authority, whether it's the censorship industrial complex or big tech

platforms or governments using groups like CRISP or logically AI have found ways to manage online communications that will mean that in 2024, Kamala Harris will be victorious rather than Trump. Now, obviously, now we know the answer to that question. What does that tell us about how independent media and social media are likely to align going forward? And what is likely to be the impact of

politically? Are we going to see increasing attempts to censor or are we going to see new political movements emerge out of social media? I'm not sure if you're familiar with that guy, Thidius, who's a member of the European Parliament, who's like a social media star that got elected into the European Parliament. They're just all like, OK, guys, this is the budget. And he just tells you transparently stuff. He's been on my show. He's a fantastic young man. I just wonder what

we've learned about the limits of centralized power, whether it's state or media, and what you envisage as an independent journalist yourself, having had experiences in mainstream media, having been a denizen of that world and a decorated journalist within that world, how do you feel it's going to unfold with the recent victory of Trump-MAGA? What do you envisage evolving from this situation?

Well, there's a groundswell of support across social media for independent journalists and for citizen journalism, right? And if you look at that, Russell, I always try to understand what is really behind this? What is this really about? So if you look at it, we are now, we have been for some time in the stage of fifth generation warfare.

You know, the generations of warfare are obvious. It started out with swords and clubs and all the rest of it. And then you introduce mechanized warfare and planes. And obviously, then you have, you know, machine guns and all the rest that come in. Then finally, you know, fourth generation warfare was where you introduce terrorist groups, non-state actors in this kind of covert warfare. And then now you're in fifth generation warfare, which is the information battle space.

where everything is, this is no longer, information is no longer a weapon of war. It is the entire battlefield. So what you're talking about happened in 2016 that took them by surprise, that they then worked very hard to make sure it didn't happen in 2020 and then just happened again in 24, is that their hold, they had what is known as information dominance since.

And you could see that because every tactic that they used was successful. So when they said Trump was a white supremacist, which wasn't any more true in 2016 or 20 or 24, right? Why did it work in 2017, 18, 19, 20? And it didn't work in 2024 because they no longer had information dominance.

And what was the sphere? Well, you know, Elon Musk taking over Twitter then gave up one of the most important weapons in the information battle space because it's so vast and it reaches people and it gave such a voice. But that wasn't all. I mean, as you pointed out, it was yourself questionable.

quite frankly, yourself, Joe Rogan, all these other podcasters who are able to amass huge audiences, but not just audiences, right? Because it's one thing if you're in the echo chamber, when you're on social media, the reason you keep getting the same information or similar stories or things that appeal to you and your ideology is because the algorithms are written to create what's called feedback loops. So

So I may think if I'm a Trump supporter, oh, Trump's doing great because in my feedback loop, everything positive about Trump, or if I'm a Harris supporter, I'm getting the same thing in my feedback loop. But somewhere in between that is the truth. Well, how do you break that information dominance? You do it with people like Russell Brand. You do it with people like Joe Rogan. You do it with people like RFK Jr.,

Because their audience is not the mega base. Their audience goes beyond. So what do they want? They want Laura Logan never to be heard by anyone who's libertarian or independent or open-minded. You can be a Democrat and just be open-minded. You want to know the truth about child trafficking, which is something I cover a lot. Well, how do we keep you isolated from Laura Logan so you never hear the truth? So this is the most simple example I can give you.

If you were a Trump supporter in 2020, you saw the visible, physical image of

That was a manifestation of his support base. So you knew when the 2020 election results happened, you knew it was a lie. You knew before it went to court. You knew before the experts got on TV and yelled at you. You knew before the Justice Department started criminalizing it. You knew it was a lie because you knew that a guy doesn't get elected from his basement when he's drawing circles around the eight people at his rally and someone else is churning out crowds of 30, 40, 50, 60,000 during COVID is the more popular candidate.

But if you were living in that Biden world, it made perfect sense to you. You know why? You never saw a Trump crowd out. You never saw a Trump rally because they stopped covering it. And

And not only did they do that, look at a person like Candace Owens. Candace was phenomenally successful. And in 2020, she got taken off Facebook. And not only did she get taken off Facebook, but her emails were blocked. Her text messages were blocked. Why? Because the email companies and the tech companies and the phone companies, they all got together. And in what is basically a seditious conspiracy, they agreed to block Facebook.

People whose voices they didn't want heard to maintain information.

dominance. But when Elon Musk bought Twitter, that was over. It was done. So you still have censorship. You still have people who are unhappy. But ultimately, you broke information dominance. And then what did you have? You just had a groundswell of truth. Whether it was citizen journalists or it was citizen activists, you had all of these people rising up and saying, we're not going to do this anymore. And then you had people like myself. I wasn't the only one. But you had people calling out the tactics.

So when they say that Trump is a Hitler or Trump is a Nazi, it's like, wait a minute, hold on. You have the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, which is the division actually, who are real Nazis, who fly the swastika, have that as their flag. You have Ukrainian soldiers walking around with the black sun of the occult on their uniforms. And who used that emblem? The Nazi SS. And by the way, where was the SS headquartered during the Second World War? Oh yeah, Western Ukraine.

And they yelled and screamed when Putin said, I'm going into Ukraine to get rid of the Nazis. And everybody said, how could he disrespect the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian Jews who were murdered? But who murdered them? The Nazis of Ukraine, mostly. So they couldn't stop the truth from rising. And then what did you see? You saw it bleeding into MSNBC. I mean, this is the home of state-run propaganda in the United States.

And yet you've got people on CNN and MSNBC literally saying, I'm not voting for Kamala Harris. I mean, by the way,

African-American voters on their air saying, I'm not voting for her because of this, this, this, and this. And by the way, she's not black. Well, what does that tell you? That the tactics that they were using have now failed, right? People are not putting up with it. People are speaking up. People are pushing back. When they first try to, you know, put Charlottesville on Donald Trump and call him a white supremacist, what did most people do? Including Republicans, by the way, they hid. They hid like little cowards.

because they didn't want to be associated with that. So on the one hand, it is cowardly. But on the other hand, what's in our DNA?

We are herd animals. Where do we find safety in numbers? You know, you go into the wild. I'm an African. I grew up in Africa. You know, you go into the bush. Where will you find the animals? You'll find them herding together because there's safety in numbers. So on the one hand, it's part of our DNA. On the other hand, you know, we very often lack the moral courage to stand up and take the hits.

But now people have seen posts through four years of Biden and through having a voice through the success of the Charlie Kirks of this world, the success of Tucker Carlson, the success of Russell Brand and the voices of the Tulsi Gabbards and the RFK juniors, people who crossed the aisle and said, wait a minute, you know, I wasn't ever a conservative, but I'm not a lunatic.

Right. I'm not. I mean, when you have Kamala Harris standing up at a rally and she says to two young men who cry out, Jesus is Lord and Christ is King. And she said, oh, I'm sorry, you're at the wrong rally.

That message would have been buried before behind a wall of information dominance. But now it's reaching. This time it reached Christians on all sides of the political spectrum. And people said, hold on a second. What is she saying? You're the party of the godless. If you follow God, you got to go to the other side of the aisle. And that's what you saw in the 2024 election. But now with the rise of citizen journalism, this is the one thing that I would say to you. And I would ask you,

This is probably the most important thing for me right now. I am an old school journalist in the sense that I believe in principles of journalism. And I believe that without principles, every time you create a space

These people, this darkness will fill that space. And so citizen journalism is hugely important, but it's kind of anchorless right now. They're not investing in beat journalism. They're not investing in other journalists because most citizen journalists are just struggling to survive.

You know, I know every day is a daily struggle for me to survive. And I have, you know, every journalism award, almost every award in existence, I already have, and many of them multiple times. So I'm a known entity. People have that sense of my history as a real journalist. But what if you're a young kid trying to make it today? You know, you can't send a young kid down to Aurora, Colorado, which has been taken over by Tren de Rago, one of the most violent cartels in the world.

and ask them to go around the building asking people, are you a member of the cartel? And when everyone tells you no, then you say, oh, well, it's not true. There's no Trenada, there's no cartel activity in Aurora, Colorado. Well, absolutely there is, but all those people are lying to you because the moment you leave, the cartel is going to, quite frankly, murder their children in front of them and then bleed them out slowly, right? So this, you know, Russell, I never forget as a young journalist,

Walking into my news editor's office or into a news editorial meeting and literally having the shit kicked out of me by all the others because I was young and idealistic and I didn't really know what real journalism was. Who's doing that? Who's mentoring and helping and supporting citizen journalists? There's nobody right now. It doesn't exist.

And so we as journalists, if we are real journalists, who's going to fix it? Who's going to make sure that what rises out of the ashes of legacy media is built on a foundation of principle? I wrote the 10 commandments of real journalism. Somebody told me not to call it the 10 commandments, but I didn't listen to them because principle to me, principle comes directly from who we are as you, as, as we were created by the creator. It comes from God.

And so these are the 10. I mean, I can send them to you if you want. They're very basic. For the rest of this conversation, you're going to have to click the link in the description. It's about to get fantastic. Start the countdown now. The remainder of this conversation, we get into occultism, we get into Satanism, we get into global power, we get into the manipulative endeavors of centralized media forces. And to talk about that properly, you've got to be on Rumble. You've got to be in that sweet stream of freedom. Join us there. Click the link right now before we disappear off YouTube, before it's too late.

late. Get on over here with us. Tell me the Ten Commandments of Principled Journalism, Lara Logan, because this, I believe, is the future of journalism, that it has to come from some universal principles. It can't be derived from what they call rationalism, but it's plainly the expedience of the establishment and the system. That's here, the Ten

commandments of proper journalism because this is the kind of broadcasting streaming that we have to do it's very simple number one journalists are not lawyers in a court of law trying to prove a case or activists campaigning for a cause our job is to seek the truth no matter what and follow the facts wherever they lead us regardless of political outcomes or consequences simple number two it's not the role of a journalist to decide what people should think

Our duty is to search for the whole truth and communicate accurately and honestly so the audience or reader can make up their own mind. Number three, thou shalt not mislead, deceive, or lie to yourself or to the public. Number four, question everything. Only the truth stands up to questioning. Five, two firsthand sources are the holy grail, always better than indirect or single sources.

Six, be as skeptical of those you like and agree with as you are of those you neither like nor trust. Seven, opinion and analysis have a worthy place in journalism but are not fact and should not be presented as such. Eight, never underestimate the audience. People are not as dumb as you think and lack of familiarity with a subject should never be confused with stupidity.

Nine, be honest with yourself and aware of your own bias. No one is immune. Ten, anonymity has an important place in protecting sources for valid reasons. It should not be used as cover for political, corrupt, or nefarious purposes. And it is up to us to be the guardians of our craft.

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an information war because information is reality. Reality is incomprehensible to a limited creature like me or you or anyone. That's why we need some principles that are transcendent of human reason and human limitation. We need to get beyond reasons, limitation and operate in some new world, some new system. It seems to me that...

excuse me, Lara, that one of the defining traits of globalism and corporatism has been the slaughter of God and the divine principle and the laying claim of the power to the power that that God once possessed, the ability to kill, the ability to control, the ability to censor, the ability to act like a God while claiming there isn't one. Do you agree with that? And how is something so sort of

theologically profound playing out in real time in our political arena and our media arena right now. Okay, so this is why you have a special gift, Russell. This is why people listen to you because that question goes right to the heart of everything that matters today. So, and I'll stop by saying this to you. Technology, the technology that we use is literally...

Satan's way of mimicking the omnipotence of God. This is what you, when you're talking about, yes, because the only, the only thing actually in our world that is omnipotent is God itself. But once you have technology that is around you all the time, that's recording and monitoring everything you say, that's feeding that knowledge into databases where people pray upon it, right? And use it to exploit. All of this is designed to do what? To separate us

from our creator. And in fact, you know, you talked about principles beyond reality, right? Because we as human beings, this is so much bigger than us. And yet at the same time, while it is bigger than us, this is how you know when things come from God, because in that very same moment, it is completely and utterly grounded in the earth that we stand upon. And it is absolutely within our reach.

to know what reality is. You know how and you know why. So the how is we know reality because it sits in the pit of your stomach because you are given a God-given instinct.

that guides you. That's how we know what is good and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong. That even, that, you know, I can go into, I can go into a hotel in New York City and I can sit there and talk to the overnight cleaner who may have come from across the world from some unsophisticated village in some unsophisticated third world country.

And they can tell me the difference between right and wrong. But I can go and sit with the most educated people in the United States of America who've graduated with how many degrees from the best universities, and they can spin themselves into an alternative reality that is completely and utterly separated from reality.

from what is true and what is honest, and they justify it a million ways and they look down on everybody else. Why? Because what have they become? They have become separated from God. And by the way, the reverse can apply. You know, this is not something that is just unique to one group in society. And I spoke, I know a very interesting man, someone who doesn't do interviews. So you probably never get to talk to him, certainly not publicly, but this is a very serious man.

And he spent many years underground training to infiltrate the global cult. And when I ask him the kind of questions that you're asking, and I ask some simpler questions, like tell me, explain this violence against children to me. I want to understand it. And he always says to me, Lara,

You're not looking at it the right way. You're not asking the right question. And I said, what do you mean? And he said, because if you're trying to understand the mindset of the people who are implementing this, who are using technology for these reasons, who are pushing this ideology, you know, that is whether it's trance ideology or whatever it happens to be, they are not concerned with you or me.

They don't care about human beings. They have only one focus. So while the world is being led away from this one thing, they are laser focused on it. And it is God. That's what they're focused on. Every single thing they do

is about God. It is about inflicting pain and suffering and victory over God, because that is how they are rewarded in their world. That's how they are recognized. So, you know, it's while we wander further and further and further away from our creator, whether it's believing that nature can exist, that the beauty and spirituality of life exists in nature, independent from God or any kind of creator, it doesn't matter. You

For them, they know it's all about God. And so all the things that you describe that separate us from our creator, all the things that make us feel lost, our children, they don't know what is a gender role. Oh, no, you can't say a gender role because that's bad.

Except now I've lost my identity. I don't know what I'm supposed to do in the home or in the workplace or in society. Right now you've got men. I talked to psychiatrists who've got all these men as clients. They're addicted to pornography and they are their shut ins. They don't go out. They don't socialize. They don't interact.

Why? Because they're afraid. They don't know what their role is anymore. They don't know what's expected of them. They don't know what's allowed. They don't want to overstep because essentially I do believe in the goodness and I do believe that good is greater than evil. They don't know what to do anymore. So what is that doing? It's isolating us further and further and further. Those feedback loops in the information space, those social cues that now are compartmentalized,

completely, they're in disarray and you go on and on and on. The punishment system that's been put in place, if you transgress, if maybe you say something you shouldn't or believe something you shouldn't or God forbid, do something you shouldn't that they've deemed shouldn't be done. All of this is to separate us from who we are because when we know who we are, when we're centered in who we are and what we stand for and what we believe in, we are never closer in that moment to God.

And what they want to separate you from, they want to separate you from that identity. So this is why, you know, Tucker Carlson did a great interview with Hunter Biden's psychiatrist. And I'll never forget that he said in that interview that they have created a mass delusion.

And we're all being ordered to participate. So it doesn't matter. It could be the trance ideology, could be the climate crisis, whatever. All this, quite frankly, all this nonsense. If you don't participate in the mass delusion, you get punished. Right. And what is the mass delusion? It's separating us from reality. And what is greater? What is greater than reality?

than self, than knowing who you are. And as you were what? As you were created and designed by your creator. So now we've got kids growing up thinking that it's possible for boys to have children.

Right. Men can give birth and menstruate and can test feed as opposed to breastfeed. Well, when you go to the darker realm of that, Russell, if you go into the darker realm on the dark web and you go beyond what we see on the surface in our society, you will now find images. And I know this through the counter trafficking work that I do in the people I work with. You will now find images of toddlers who are pregnant.

Because this ideology is completely and utterly hedonistic and dark and evil and satanic. This is pure evil. If you want to find where evil exists and then think about what technology has done. It's taken every single evil person on the planet. It's given them purpose. It's given them identity. It's given them a home. It's made them rich. It's made them richer than ever. They found each other. They found each other and they proliferate in this dark world. But who runs that dark world?

Who runs it? The people that sit at Ericsson and the tech companies, the people who host the servers that store all of this pornography, that store what they call sadistic pornography, which has a name now called HurtCore. The tech companies that know all the lines and the towers where this information that is data, it travels along those undersea cables. It hits those towers. It is stored by people who own government contracts.

who move information and use it to control all of us, to manipulate our behavior, to get the electoral and political outcomes that they want, but also to get us to move further and further and further away from as we were created

Why? To separate us from our creator, because in separating and distancing us, they cause pain to God. When we use our free will to choose darkness over light and to choose Satan over God, that is a victory for them. And in their world, they rise and rise and rise. And nothing causes God more pain than the victory that they can have over hurting God.

innocent children and babies, by the way, babies who, whose veins are cut in a particular way so that when they're raped, you have a blood show. There are people that like a blood show. They do this to babies, toddlers, children. They do, they traffic adults. And there are people that now make money out of that. And all of this technology, these companies know where this is. They watch the data move. They can stop at any time they want to. And they never do. Laura, it's, um,

how darkly occultist this conversation has become so quickly. And I recognize that one of the odd phenomena of the last few phenomenon of the last few years has been the repression of information about child trafficking. But before you go into that very particular, very lurid and obviously very disturbing subject, you were speaking in

more general terms about the nature of the conflict that's taking place currently. It has to be regarded as spiritual.

We started off talking about information and how if you control information, you control reality. And quickly we've gotten into territory. A few years ago, you'd only have heard people like David Icke or Alex Jones talking about people that are now sort of even in the sort of dark peripheral edges of independent media are still somewhat spoken of in hushed terms. But when you sort of said...

There's some things that I can really tether to more palatable arguments than the very difficult, vivid and disturbing ideas around child abuse. And these are things I heard about like, you know, a long time ago, because I was reading that kind of stuff when I was taking acid as a teenager. I was learning about occultist organizations and Illuminati and Bilderberg Group and how sets of economic interests appeared to intersect with

with occultism, that sort of stuff prior to the sort of modern immersive internet was available if you were a counterculture person. If you're a person like me that probably lived in big cities and smoked weed and was likely a drug addict and knew that you didn't belong in the main culture, you'd sort of get access to that kind of stuff. Increasingly, it's been derided and ridiculed. And it's interesting to hear someone with your journalistic credentials

speaking about it seriously and with authority. What I want to talk about is how I find listening to you and talking to you inspiring because I find even working in these spaces to be a kind of drain. It's a drain to continue to generate content. I'm very lucky that I've got the kind of deal that I have with Rumble where I'm supported and when there was a pretty cohesive assertive attempt to cancel me, I

Rumble were really bold and really sort of stood up for me, right? But it's still difficult to make this much content possible.

continually to feel like, not to feel like, to know that I'm under attack and to see the ways that I've been attacked, the allegations, the accusations that have been made, and that the people that would make those allegations and accusations are not directly themselves part of the Illuminati. Whether you're talking about the journalists that have been involved in conducting investigations or

Maybe even the online groups like Logically and Crisp have participated in controlling and repressing information. Maybe even the whole sets of trusted news initiatives, journalistic and news organizations that parroted and printed stories, the various institutions.

legal and law enforcement that have in various ways participated in a project that I've got no choice to take personally because it's personally about me, that it meshes onto, webs onto and is connected to a very powerful idea when it comes to a...

That's an argument, a fight, not an argument, a war between good and evil in which I, like loads of people, have just been inadvertently caught up in because I was a person with a social media presence and a particular political perspective.

Generally one of independence, mistrust of authority, a willingness to criticise power, whether that's state power, corporate, commercial power in all of its forms. But most obviously, the power of big pharma that was exposed during the pandemic period and the power of the military industrial complex that comes to the forefront during any war or pre-war period.

And I mention those because they're sort of rational, observable, measurable and obvious and easy to corroborate and are being corroborated by journalists like you or Whitney Webb or a bunch of others to various degrees on the left and on the right. But what's not spoken about so often is this idea that globalism is by its nature. And this is where things get scary.

I would say edgy, somewhat satanic. And I can I can unpack that in a rational way, because what is at its essence taking God's power, the power of some transcendent yet imminent force and

some triune God that is by its nature relational and loving, extracting that power and that purview and giving it to either political, corporate or bureaucratic entities. That in itself is literally a Luciferian project because what is the nature of Lucifer? To lay claim to God's power. I

I am powerful like you. I live outside of your domain and I have my own kingdom and I will bleach out your true light with my false light. I was struck recently in a conversation with Tucker Carlson, as a matter of fact, when reading Orwell, who I'm assuming was probably an atheist, atheist by the power of this moment and this image, the

passage prior to Orwell's famous maxim that if you want an image of humanity's future, picture a boot stamping on a human face forever, I was struck by whose image are we made in? Whose image

image is the boot of authoritarianism stamping on. What is being described in that image? The annihilation and the destruction of God is what's required for state power to take away God's power. Now, I just want to mention that

Emerging out of the romantic literary tradition in my country, most obviously and notably the novel Frankenstein by the British writer Mary Shelley, was the problems, the moral, ethical and spiritual problems that emerge when man moves into mankind, moves into God's domain.

If you start to mess with life and death and life and birth and the sort of basic fundamental rules of reality that are notably who is the one person that's meant to bring the dead back to life? Are there any stories about that anywhere else?

in the Bible, if you start moving into that, bringing the dead back to life through science, what you get is a demonic monster, a monster that will be destructive, that won't know what it is. Now, that's what's clearly being deliberately created. And this can only really be assessed and understood from a spiritual purview. Who can end life and at what stage? Who can

revivify and resurrect and at what stage and under what conditions? Who can decide what can be said and what can't be said? Now, if you sort of step back to a kind of somewhat cosmic or at least, you know, 200 foot high perspective, it's clear that what's happening is the state in alignment with concealed corporate and indeed bureaucratic interests are taking that power.

And the way that we're participating in that is by sort of foolishly entering into this pact, believing that what we're doing is supporting people's rights and protecting vulnerable people and standing up against corruption. I actually believe that people that

are committed to woke ideology are well-intentioned. I even believe that many of the people that have attacked me are well-intentioned. They don't know, forgive them, they know not what they do, that what they're doing is the devil's work.

killing God and replacing God with Luciferian power. And if we don't learn how to have that conversation, to recognize that this goes beyond, as you've just explained brilliantly, goes beyond who gets to decide what wars to start because then you get access to these minerals or this territory. Who gets to decide what crises to deploy and how to respond to that crisis in order to augur citizen management. This

goes beyond that significant and serious set of arguments and into the motivations, which it seems do

do include things like you've described, occultism, child murder, sex magic, weird stuff that feels like someone coming out of the civil rights and cultural revolutions of the 50s and 60s doesn't even belong in the political conversation. But isn't that part of its genius that once you've extracted God and divine principles, that the squabble is itself somehow dislocated into...

talking about civil rights and social justice rather than where civil rights and social justice come from and how you can even conceptualize civil rights, the rights of civilians and humans and justice. You can't have that without God. You can't discuss it. You can't frame it. You can't underwrite it. You can't legislate for it. You can't kill and die for it. So

I'm really grateful to you because when I was listening to you, I thought, this is a person that's having the conversation I'm having. How do you move between all this weird hypocrisy and corruption and globalism? And why am I getting accused of these things? And then into a cultism and Jesus Christ and God and the devil. It ain't easy. And I, you know, it's not an easy conversation to have and I don't get to have it very often. So thanks.

So, Russell, it really comes down to this one word, if you think about it, what you're describing, deception, right? Because if you read the Bible, anybody who's read the Bible knows when the devil comes to you, he doesn't come to you as his true self with all his ugliness.

He comes to you as something attractive or something impressive or something exactly like you're describing. What appeals to us? How do we know that good is stronger than evil? Because look at all these people that when you come to them and you say,

Shouldn't we have a system of government or economics where nobody suffers, where people don't starve, where everyone has access to education and to health care and so on and so on? And what do people say? The good in us speaks up and we say, yes, yes, that sounds like a great system. But imagine if Hugo Chavez of Venezuela came to his people and he said he didn't say we're going to take the wealth of this country and we're going to give it back to you. We're going to make life better for everyone.

That wasn't what he meant. What he really meant was we're going to take it all. And in a few short years, more than 80 percent of this population is going to be living below the poverty line. You are what you have today is going to be is going to be riches compared to when you're you're in the trash sorting for the through the trash looking for something to eat.

So what is that? That's a deception. So when I look at it, when people come to you and they say, a headmistress or a therapist or somebody comes to a parent and they say, your child has gender dysphoria, and this is the solution. They don't tell you chemical castration or, you know, sort of gender mutilation is going to mess up your child for life. Suicide rates are going to go up. No, what defines all of these things? Deception. When they tell you globalization is going to...

make everybody, you know, give us access to goods. It's going to lift people up all over the world. That was a deception, right? It was a lie. So anytime you want to identify what you're talking about, if you can find the presence of deception, you really have the presence of Satan. You have the presence of darkness.

because Satan comes to you with, oh, here, we want civil rights. We want to end slavery. We don't want anybody to suffer. There should be an end to racism. Yes, these are great things. And it is a testament to our humanity, honestly, to our fealty to God that we choose to say yes. But what we don't know is that behind this, this comes to us not from a place of light. It's coming to us from a place of darkness.

and we are being sucked into something else. That's why you say, how do these things connect? How does sex education in American schools, what does that have to do with where we are today? Well, because it came as a Marxist ideology. It came from, you know, all this stuff, hippie love. I grew up in the culture that Woodstock was a wonderful, great time of free love, right? But what was Woodstock? What was it also about? It was all of those things. But behind that, it was about something else.

It was a breaking down of the family and of morality and society. It was the introduction of narcotics because what is narcotics? Why do we call them gateway drugs? Not just because marijuana can lead you to cocaine, but because it opens up a gateway. It opens up, it opens you up.

to forces of darkness. You behave in a way that you wouldn't. How do you get people to do things they wouldn't normally do? You either you break them down through alcohol, by the way, spirits. Why are they called spirits? Because they open you up to other spirits, right? Things that are not from God, things that come from somewhere else. And so when you say, how can we have a conversation and fix these things if we don't come back to what this is really about? Is that when we as adults

as a society, when we try to make policy and we separate ourselves from God, we are separating ourselves from the very thing that defines what is good in us and in our world. So it's like when somebody comes to you and say you have a friend, say you have a friend who's having a midlife crisis or they're having PTSD or trauma, but they don't believe in God and they don't have any family.

And they're older in their life. Well, what's your purpose for living? What is it you're going to do if you've got enough money? What are you going to do? You're going to play golf. You're going to go on vacations. You're going to travel the world. You're going to see the world. What is the purpose of your being here? If you don't believe that there's any great purpose to being here, then your life becomes reduced to something incredibly superficial.

And what do we know about human beings? That even when you have all the money and fame in the world, what do you crave? You crave meaning. You crave purpose. You crave something that is bigger than yourself. Why am I happy in my life? Because I have been living God's purpose since the day I was born. Because...

Even before I knew that I was living God's purpose, I knew what my purpose was. And then over time, as life progressed, why did I survive being gang raped and sodomized and beaten almost to death by a mob of more than 200 men when I was reporting for 60 Minutes in Egypt, in Tahrir Square? Why did I survive that?

What was the purpose of that? Why did I learn every what? Why did I survive the war in Afghanistan on my own as a young journalist? Why did God put angels on my shoulder and guide me? Why was I there when the Taliban owned more than 90% of the ground in Afghanistan and women were being executed publicly in stadiums for just showing a tiny bit of flesh? And I was living with Afghan soldiers, living with Afghan soldiers on the front line.

Why did I survive all of that? To take it to my grave, to offer nothing beyond who I am as a person? No, God was preparing me. He was preparing me for every little step along the way. And on that time, Russell, I was divided. I was separated from God through pain because I could not bear to see injustice.

anywhere around me. It broke my heart. And I could not understand when I was helping to dig, you know, the wrecked body of a young child out of the rubble from an airstrike. What was the purpose in all of this? How could God let this happen? Growing up in South Africa, how could I see kids on the street? You know, how could I see them suffer and starve and never know love? How could there be a God if this could be happening? And what I realized as I grew older is

And God stripped me of the big salary and the fame and, you know, the fortune and all of those things. He stripped those things away from me so that I could just be free to be, to just do what I was born to do, which is to be honest, no matter what, not beholden to any special interests, not beholden to any political interests, not beholden to anything or anyone except the truth.

Which comes from who? Which comes from God. That's all I was beholden to. That's all I worked to discover and to learn. So how did he show me that? Well, one day I began to realize that the dividing line between good and evil, the dividing line between God and the devil is free will.

And that when God gives you free will, it means that when you exercise your free will, he can't intervene because what are principles? Principles are absolute. They're just a bumper sticker, right? They're just something you say if you don't stand up for them when they're going to cost you everything. If you only choose to pick and choose when you're going to stand up for principle, then principles are rendered meaningless. So if God says, if the principle is I give you free will, he can't intervene when you choose evil. He cannot intervene.

So that was when I stepped back from it and I realized that my tears, because my brother, my mother, actually, she used to say to me as a young girl, the problem with you, my girl, is you've got your bladder behind your bloody eyeballs. Okay. Because I had such a soft heart and it would break me to see suffering. And I learned that that pain that I felt that was separating me from God was really a fraction. That was God showing me his pain.

a fraction of his pain at the evil that we do on earth. And then when you realize and you learn how to let go, but you realize that the word of God is the instruction manual. It's the instruction manual for us in our lives. It's the instruction manual for government. It's the instruction manual for how we as society are meant to function because it keeps us close to the principles and the truth and

And those things all come from God. So when you begin to separate a society from God, so I grew up believing the church has done, people have done terrible things in the name of God. The church has done evil, the this, the that, the pedophiles. And you start to, in South Africa, it was justifying racism through the church. Well, I don't want to be any part of that.

This is bad, right? This is separating us, coming to us in the guise of something that is good, but separating us from the real good, from the true good that is within us. And it's within us, we are born with it because we are born in the image of God, as you just said. And so you can't fix any of this. If you turn to yourself, understanding the difference between

working to the good of God, because we are a works-based faith when we believe, working to the good of God, but also recognizing what is beyond us. So I never get depressed or bogged down when I'm overwhelmed by the scale of something happening around me, because I know that's God saying, you've done your part. This is mine. Leave it to me.

Have faith. Leave it to me. And so then I get strength from that. Instead of being overwhelmed, I take strength from it. And you talk about all those people that have attacked you. I know exactly what you're talking about. They came for me more than 10 years ago. And that was a revelation. And I began to uncover what this world is that they've created. Well, you know what the devil knows how to do is to set the conditions right.

Right. So that when you say, well, some of these people attacking me, they may have good conditions, may have good intentions. Well, the devil has set the conditions for them to believe that and to take the actions that they do. But we are past that point now where they get a free pass because it is well documented, for example, that there are more than 300,000 unaccompanied minors who've come to the United States without anyone and they are missing and we don't know where they are.

So now is when you have to say to yourself, okay, am I going to just go to sleep every night and wake up every day? And I'm going to be a person that says, well, you know, kids go missing. No, no, God's children are not for sale. So who are you as a person? You have to decide because the only thing that matters is when you stand before God and he says, once you knew, what did you do?

I do get bogged down in overwhelming situations. I do still have in me a kind of reverence for self. It has changed radically and improved since being baptized. And I now have the facility of the Holy Spirit and have the present relationship with

With him, that enables me to abide and obey. What I suffer from, Lara, is what you just described there with the devil's ability to set conditions, is I feel the kind of, I would never describe it as this profanity,

before hearing you use these terms, is that I feel myself getting pulled back into only caring about how I'm affected by things and what it's going to do to me and my fear. I'm not going to get what I want. I'm going to lose what I have. In practice, I lose my faith. So it's very...

It's odd that really what is being demanded of us, you know, the material world, the rational world is demanding that you become devout as well. And to such a degree that actually when you talk about when you sort of for a moment, they took your childhood and you listed some of the traumas you've encountered, which appeared to include gang rape.

as well as exposure to violence and other people's deaths and a lot of trauma. It was quite a lot to listen to, let alone obviously endure. When people talk like that in the nature of the spirit, I can almost feel...

a sort of a disjunct and a kind of pushing away of like, no, that can't be true. That can't be true. It cannot be. It's too it's too much. And then, you know, and even when you relate it to the child trafficking, it feels like, no, I can't take that on board. It's like, you know, when you're overwhelmed with self self-centeredness, it's such an overwhelming and demanding religion.

And it's cathedral is everywhere because you carry it in your pocket. So it's very difficult to break away from that. And it starts to sound like what the mastery of the senses

setting of satanic conditions is to even speaking spiritually sounds like a kind of insanity it sounds like a kind of hysteria i wanted to bring a bit of word into it help help me out certainly i know it'll help you because it is him uh from john this top of john in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god he was with god in the beginning

Through him, all things were made. Without him, nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

What strikes me about this opening verses of John is how we're invited to transcend, of course, our understanding of reality, space and time. We're invited to accept that Jesus Christ was present at the creation. And there's some Old Testament, you know, some people would object to the word evidence, but there's certainly corollary there.

In the use of the plural in the Garden of Eden, they will become like us. And we mentioned before the triune nature of the Christian God, one God, three persons, ice, water, vapor, all H2O. And I mentioned this in conjunction, too, with what you said a minute ago.

socialism and about something that I recently learned a lot from revisiting Orwell and a lot from reading a Christian apologist called Joseph Boot about how totalitarianism can flow forth not just from 20th century forms of dictatorship but this new technological feudalism that seems to have been born

of social democracy, that most liberal of ideologies that claims to be about the freedom of the individual. But what does that freedom mean? It appears to me in a kind of freedom to be absolutely exploited and totally controlled. Now, like it's clear to me that the solution personally, and I guess I'm not qualified to go beyond that claim, is that

Christ is nothing less than God, the creator of all reality.

came into our reality to experience the limitations while simultaneously experiencing the limitlessness of God and died for our sins in order, as best as I can conjure up using the English language, create a new frequency through the covenant of blood that allowed us

an essential beingness that was impossible before to be now, which we might theologically know as the Holy Spirit or our personal relationship with Christ. And if we were to try to understand it using perhaps quantum language, a sort of super state of potentiality where we, through the free will that you mentioned earlier, can become

come living conduits for God, or as he would say in Jeremiah, the

living water, the living stream that we must resist breaking down into systems, solipsistic, self-contained, self-centered systems of personhood and allow to be part of an ongoing flow. Maybe if the Pentecost has one clear image in it, it is the reigning of the Holy Fire, is the waking of lingual magnificence and luminosity,

that comes when we are able to become conduits of his grace and greatness and engender and evoke his power through language, resuming his power here through a new relationship, a relationship that might emulate the relationship of those three aspects of God in our relationships with one another.

I recognize that that's not a question in the conventional sense, Lara. It's more of a set of statements based on scripture. But given that you're having to, like at one point, what did you say during your last answer? You talked about Hugo Chavez and you talked about the...

You know, for a minute you said, well, what that done is it put 80 percent of the population below the poverty line. And in a sense, we are forced to have this conversation almost in economic terms. And I know a lot of people that are socialists and even Marxists that are, you know, like good people that believe that what socialism is.

It's kindness, fairness, togetherness, oneness, God's holy family. We're all brothers and sisters. But when you try to do that materially and rationally with the distinct and definitive annihilation of the God principle, what you get is by its nature Luciferian. I never believed that I would say that. I never believed that I would look back at, you know, cultural, um,

moments like Woodstock and sort of agree with you that what it fundamentally was, was a depositing of holy power in God. And one thing I do want to be careful of is like, you know, when talking about like the Cold War and the wars that came out of it and the culture that preceded it, how do you avoid, Lara, what we're discussing now, not

becoming, not eliding into saying the 1950s in America was great. Mum and dad were home with their two white children and their perfect lawn and the Negro toiled away. You know, like, how do you like not equate what we're talking about of like a culture based on God's word with

Because, you know, immediately prior to the cultural revolutions that come out of the Beats and the 60s, what most people would consider to have been American identity was a kind of

That heterodoxy that was quite, some might say, repressive was about to become mass consumerism and the white goods era, the implementation of levels of manufacture and industrialization that I believe Marx was correct.

to identify as exploitative of human beings. The Henry Ford model of car construction being just one casual and colloquial example. Do we not have to be careful when we're saying that Chavez plundered a bunch of people below the poverty line to...

to ensure that we acknowledge that free market capitalism, which I think a lot of people are that we might be becoming affiliated with, is not God, is not Jesus. There's two things that stand out to me as I listen to you, Russell. And one is that Marxism and communism, people don't

They don't really look at the history. If you look at the history of socialism and Karl Marx, who hired Karl Marx? Who paid his bills? Who tasked him with creating this system of, by the way, social control? Anytime you see the word social in these contexts, it really is a euphemism for control. Well, it was the Rothschilds at 10 Downing Street or 14 Downing Street.

And if you start to look at that history, so what does that lead me to? It leads me to the very thing that I mentioned in the Ten Commandments of Real Journalism, which is our job is to search for the whole truth.

Right. Because it's the whole truth is obviously a big thing, but at its core, it's very simple. They want to complicate it. They want to tell you, you can never possibly understand it. You know, you're not educated enough. You're not, you're too stupid. You're not sophisticated enough, whatever. It doesn't matter what they say. The fact is that the truth can often be very big, but what helps us is that there's only one truth.

And usually it's very simple. So it might be big, but it's very, very simple. So when you come back to, you know, what you're talking about,

What happens to us is we get channeled into certain categories. So one minute the 50s has to be the be all and end all of the world. The next minute the 50s has to be a big lie. But the truth is, this is what Shakespeare and Thomas Hardy and all of these kind of writers, this is what they created. Really, Shakespeare created it, right? Was that hero or that villain in literature that was not simple, but they were complex.

And what was that revealing? A simple truth. And the simple truth is that people are usually good and bad, that we're flawed as human beings, and that those of us who are truly and utterly pure evil are rare.

Right. And so you do have the rare what I think in the Bible, a friend of mine who does counter trafficking pointed this out to me one day. He said, you know, the sinner can repent. You can you can repent right up to the hour of or the moment of your death and God will forgive you. But it is the wicked sin.

The wicked spit in the face and in the eye of God, right? They don't want repentance. They don't want forgiveness. So what you're dealing with is you're dealing with this reality that evil actually does exist, right? And why do I mention this? Because when you search for the whole truth,

It reveals to you both the simplicity of truth and sometimes that things can be bigger than us and also can be complex at the same time. And people can be good and evil at the same time. So I don't ever shy away from understanding the truth. For me, it's very simple. I am just as flawed as you. I am just as imperfect as you. I struggle every day to be a better person and to be closer to God.

And to learn more and to understand more and to be better. Because one of the things that bothers me is my, you know, God says that our children, our responsibility as parents is that our children know God.

And I think my children are growing up in a relatively godless society, not a godless world, but a godless society because they're surrounded by everything satanic, you know, from popular culture to Hollywood, to video games, to the social pressure. As you pointed out, you can't talk about these things without there being something on you that labels you as crazy, right? And so my job as a parent is to try and do better on all of those fronts.

But what it comes down to for me is I have a very simple purpose. My purpose is to understand the whole truth. And then my job, once I understand that, is to communicate it in a way that is memorable and that is understandable and that reaches people. And as long as I do that, when I crawl into bed at the end of the day, I'm exhausted. I give every single part of myself, every part of myself, I devote to this.

Some dignity. I'd like you to get in. Don't crawl in there like a centipede. Sometimes I'm just exhausted. Get in that bed confidently and competently. Lay your head on the pillow. Maybe a quick pray before...

Well, I will say I have five dogs and four cats and three puppies, so I've got to fight for a space in that bed. Yeah, we've just got a puppy. Not to mention my husband. I shouldn't leave him out. He's important. Get him in the menagerie. My bed, our bed, there's me, my wife, there's my young son, there's a new Dachshund puppy. They're all in the bed. They're all getting on my nerves. Yeah, she sleeps under my legs. A cutesy doxy. Doxies. That's what we're calling them.

You know, I think that was such an amazing conversation. I simply think that we have to participate in the creation of a network together. Done. You got it. Will ya?

Do you wanna? I do. I do. In fact, I've been looking for the right place because I have a brand. I have an identity. Millions of people know my work. Millions of people know who I am. But I have not done a podcast because I wanted to fight for something, for the part of journalism that is being lost. You're doing a good job. You should know that there's a man lurking behind you. Seems like he could be an honest gentleman, but just...

Watch out for him because he, you know, I don't know if we can trust that guy in the stovepipe hat. You are very funny. Thank you. I was a comedian before I was vilified and tortured into becoming a follower of Jesus Christ.

Well, you know, I mean, Christ was crucified, right? He didn't get to say when he had the hammered in the first nail. Oh, that hurts. Can you skip the rest of it? Oh, actually, I didn't agree to that. Whoa, that's a bit much. I mean, have we made the point? You know, we've made the point now. Do we really need to go all the way? Yeah, we've done it. We've done it. It's OK. That'll do. That hurt. No, it went on. I need to tell you about something. You just made me think of it.

I did a story once about a man who was falsely accused of murdering his wife, of beating her to pieces, pieces of her on the ceiling and doing all of this in front of his young son, who was three years old and he just survived open heart surgery. And this man went to prison. He wasn't, he lost everything. He was vilified, lost his freedom, his reputation. He just lost his wife. And he went off to work that day to stack shelves at a supermarket. And when he came home, you know, his wife was dead and they'd already decided he was guilty.

So this is the man who often, I think it was close to 27 years in prison, maybe a little less. And he was finally vindicated through DNA testing. And not only was he vindicated, but they vacated his conviction and he was declared innocent, which is a big deal in America because then you're entitled to compensation. But until then, you're not. And he described for me the very worst moment of that entire time that he was incarcerated was when

First, his son changed his name when he got older, and then he stopped visiting him. So I'm sorry, he stopped visiting him first, then he changed his name finally when he got old enough. And this man spent 15 years every day of his life in prison planning, plotting, listing all the people he wanted to kill because they did this to him. And then he had a moment when

when he was visited by the Holy Spirit, he had his God moment when he discovered Christ. And he spent the rest of his time behind bars actually working to improve himself. He got a degree. He did all kinds of things, but he walked with God. And when I interviewed him for 60 Minutes, my son was three years old. And during that interview, the only time that Michael really broke

was when he described to me what it was like holding his three-year-old son and the sheriff came to his door with a neighbor and, and he,

It had been his birthday the night before his wife was murdered, and he was mad at her because she didn't stay up and have sex with him. And he would. So he wrote over nasty, you know, angry letter before he went to work. And that letter they used to convict him. And so he just got his son survived. He'd lost his wife. The sheriff shows up at his door and they tear his son out of his arms and give his child to the neighbor.

And that boy would not be raised by either of his parents. His mother is dead and his father is behind bars now for 20 something years. And when Michael described that moment for me, it was painful because I knew I had a three-year-old son at home that I would happily give my life for. Right. And so what,

After Michael came out of prison, one of the things he did was fight to change the law because he was convicted by a corrupt prosecutor and they withheld exculpatory information. And in the United States at that time, there was complete immunity for prosecutors from civil litigation and civil liability. And Michael changed that in the state of Texas is because of him. We now have Morton's law, which has gone to other states. But when Michael came to our home,

and spoke to people in a fireside chat about the book that he'd written. One of the things he said to those people was, he said that it is our job to be as grateful for our trials and our suffering and the adversary in our lives as we are for our blessings. Like he said, I am glad that this happened to me. And I, you know, when he finished speaking, I talked to him, I said, Michael, I said,

I know what this took from you. I know what you went through because we went through all of this for a long time when we were doing the 60-minute story. I said, how can you stand here and say that you're glad that this happened to you? And he said to me, because I would never be the person, I would never have become the person I am today.

If I had not gone that path, I would happily do it all. I said, if you could do it all over again, you would still go through that. And he said, yes. I said, I believe you, but I cannot understand it because I know how you suffered and what you lost. And by the way, he and his son are now close again. And he was there for the birth of his first grandchild. However, I was not in that place where I could be as happy for what I'd been through. And guess what? I'm there now.

I'm glad that I was stripped of my 60 minutes job. I was the future of the greatest, you know, investigative show, most successful in the world. And I was,

I was, you know, in the New York Times and magazines. I was given everything you could imagine. I'm glad I lost it all. I'm grateful to God for stripping me of all of that and letting me, I never have to worry. I never, ever betrayed my purpose. I never buried the truth because I didn't want to lose my job. I didn't do it. So I'm not some great person. I'm not better than you. He stripped it from me and saved me from having to make that choice.

That's why I'm sympathetic to people out there who maybe lack the moral courage to come forward or lack the ability to come forward because they can't afford to lose their job. But at the same time, I want you to know there is such peace. When you get to this place where I am, and I am grateful for what happened to me in Egypt, for every little bit, I got cancer 10 months later when my daughter was 10 months old when I almost died in that square. My son was a year old.

Right. And they were they were one and two when I got cancer. And I am so grateful for those things because you realize that they're built into the fabric of who you become. And if you can be proud of who you become because you know that every single day that you get up, you do everything you can to be good and to live a good life and to make good decisions. And you give every ounce of strength that you have.

You give it all. And when you wake up in the morning, you do it all over again. And you never get tired. You never get tired because it's the most beautiful feeling of peace that you have that carries you through, that I know what my life has meant. I know why I'm here. I don't have to worry. And I know where I'm going. I don't know what it looks like, but I'm going to rest. I'm going to rest. And you can rest when you're dead. You don't have to do it now. Thank you, Laura Logan, for that passage.

powerful story and illustration of spiritual principles in practice and how they might be deployed in a variety of worldly roles without succumbing to worldliness and therefore the sets of values that increasingly becomes clear

underwrite them. That was a really amazing conversation. Until we eventually form our own media operation together, thank you very much for your time. Don't buy time, Russell. Let's do this. Okay. I'll text you afterwards. Lara, thank you very much for joining us. Lara!

Thank you for the education. Thank you for the illumination. Thank you for the boldness and bravery. And thank you, too, for being a member of this community and supporting our content to support it further. Become an awakened wonder and join us every week for Break Bread with Russell Brand, where I literally take communion, eat in the body of Christ, drinking the blood of Christ that I can experience a deeper awakening. And it is an awakening I want you to have with me if you have the time.

and the inclination. There's a link in the chat right now telling you exactly how to do that, as well as a small moment from the conversation that we had last week with Jack P. Check that out. And this sort of cultural...

shift happened in Western societies. It was the removal of God from the public square, total removal. God, oh, that's just something from an old book. And you know, the nuns will wrap you on the knuckles if you do something wrong in class. And that has no bearing on our modern society. So we've gotta get rid of God and we have the atomic age now. We don't need him anymore. But so we took God out.

And we said, all right, well, we're just going to be people now. We're just going to be humans. And we'll try to live by those same ethics. And it's been a complete disaster. It's just been an utter and complete disaster. Well, thank you very much. I will be back on Monday for a whole new week of shows. Fantastic shows. Six hours and 15 minutes of content.

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beautifully to bring you over to the sweet stream of freedom that we call Rumble. But that's not for today. That's for next week. A whole new, brand new week infused with new energy and glorious power as we approach the feast of Thanksgiving. And what are we giving thanks for? Freedom, Heavenly Father!

Freedom that we know only in your name, even though this is a secular holiday that essentially is celebrating colonialism and oppression, I suppose, on some level. You can let me know in the comments and chat if you would agree with that, baby. Okay, see you Monday. Not for more of the same, more of the different. I'd never insult you with that crap. Till then, if you can, stay free.