DEBATE DAY SPECIAL: Is THIS How Google Will Steal The 2024 Election?! SF449
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Hello there, you awakening wonders. Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand. Debate Eve, the very first time Kamala and Trump will meet across the podium. How will it go? Does it feel a little like the mating of giant pandas? We will, of course, be streaming live for our watch along for you, with you at

5.30 PT, 8.30 ET, and right in the middle of the night, just the way we like it here in the UK. Join us, JackTheLad12, you wonderful and glorious awakened wonder. Join us, Dagar, Digital Hippie, Bobby Myrna.

Join us. Join us. We've got a fantastic guest for the show tonight. I'm actually extremely excited. Dr. Robert Epstein is joining us to discuss the over-incredible, almost immeasurable impact of Google when it comes to curating our reality. Perhaps electoral interference is a

complicated subject to discuss. But when it comes to the 360 control of your reality, there's no doubt that alphabet or good organizations have an incredible ability to present particular political movements and particular stories in a very specific light. We will be talking to him about that. And yeah, I'm wearing a suit jacket. Yeah, that's what I'm wearing. Jackie O.

We'll be here, so join us. But now we're going to talk about, we've got a few things to discuss before beloved and dear and adored Dr. Robert Epstein joins us. We're going to be talking about, hmm, hmm, let me have a look. Would you like to refresh your memory with a little, like, this is not the kind of debate you're going to get tonight, okay? This is not the type of debate you'll get tonight. This is a little flashback. Oh, you want to see the t-shirt?

This is the t-shirt, Bongino's doing one, the Bongino army. We got anyone from the Bongino? This is, they're saying the volume's low guys. Thank you. This, is that an ironic Pfizer shirt, asks Lily Farm Girl in the chat. No, Pfizer have been really, they've been sponsoring it. No, why are you wearing a Pfizer shirt?

Well, actually, because as you surely know, Pfizer makes some pretty incredible products. Say, for example, you were concerned about getting, what was the name of that? COVID-19. Now, they make, I don't know if you've read George's Marvelous Medicine by Roald Dahl. A little boy with a dream makes a glorious concoction for his grandma. And yeah, that's right.

Anyway, these guys at Pfizer, oh, they do very, very good work when it comes to mRNA gene therapies. I'm hoping that irony is a concept that's traveled its glorious way across this globe in the same way that that very pandemic did. Let's have a look at...

Hillary Clinton and Trump in 2016 to give ourselves a reassuring little booster shot of joy. From everything I see has no respect for this person. Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States. No puppet, no puppet. It's pretty clear. You're the puppet. It's pretty clear you won't admit that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged...

espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race.

I don't know what you're going to get with no mics live tonight. They've both aged. It's been a tough time. It's been a tough few years. Let's have a look at CNN having a little panic about having a little panic about Trump's recent polling because it seems that the Kamala honeymoon is over, baby. If you look at the white voters without college degrees, this is a Trump based conspiracy.

Obviously, you see his huge numbers with this group. You see that this is a trouble sign for Harris. She also in a place like Georgia is not doing well with white college educated voters. She probably wants to make up some ground with white college educated voters across these battlegrounds as well. An important gut check for us.

for both campaigns and on multiple levels in multiple states is what's coming out here. It's great to see you, David. Chris Christie says that Donald Trump has got a very particular strategy in mind. The ABC presidential debate is just two days away. Let's bring in former DNC chair, Donna Brazil and former New Jersey governor, Chris Christie. So, uh, Chris, you have debated Donald Trump. You have helped Donald Trump prepare for a debate and,

You have seen this all play out. What what is going on with him right now? How do you think he is actually getting ready for this debate? He doesn't get ready. I mean, as someone who was in charge of debate prep in 2016 and 2020 for him, it was a constant struggle. There were times when we would go and debate prep would be scheduled. We'd go in to sit with him and he would just say, no, I'm not doing it.

And that would be it, and it just wouldn't happen. And so my guess is that, especially now, as you said in the lead up, his seventh general election presidential debate, he really doesn't think he needs to prepare.

He believes that just whatever his gut instincts are, are what's going to carry him. He will allow people to speak at him for a while. I will guarantee you there's been no mock debates. There never has been. He won't allow it, won't permit it. So he will be... He won't allow a mock debate. He sees that as somehow...

breaching the sanctity of the concept. I mean, that don't make me like him less. Do you remember when we learned that Joe Biden had been on a special holiday to prepare for that debate? And then we saw it, and even his dear wife, Jill...

didn't seem sincere when she congratulated him on it. I like the idea of a debate with a person that is not at all prepared and is entirely willing to trust their gut. Let me know in the chat how you think it's going to go. The mics are muted. There's no audience.

So you're not going to get it because you'd be in jail type moment. And again, do you think that the Republican Party MAGA movement and Trump in particular is still in a process of adapting to the social complexity that comes from transitioning from debating an elderly white man

male puppet of the establishment to debate in a non-white female middle-aged puppet of the establishment. What are the complexities? There's all different types of puppet. You can have one, you could have one with tentacles, you could have one with nine eyes, you could have one that speaks out the top of its head with a kind of fluid, a hot piping lava-like fluid. Still the same thing

Trump's not preparing for any entity that he has to debate. Typically, Donald Trump, which is, he's just going to go in there and wing it. And that's why I think what Kamala Harris does in this debate is significantly more important than what Donald Trump does, because he's going to be him, he's just going to wing it. You've seen this show before, Shazam.

she's the one that's going to get the most attention. She'll get the most attention. Will Kamala get advantages? Will this be a revelation of previously unexposed fissures? Will new information come? Will it make a difference? Obviously, in a debate situation, most both.

sides must believe that there is a value to doing it. Even with all of the restrictions and controls, it's at least an indication of some kind of optimism, is it? And of some good faith from both of the parties. Is it? Or is it little more than a spectacle? Will

we on the other side of this debate that we're streaming live tonight be holding a glowing orb of new information or will the people that believe in kamala say she won the people that believe in trump say he won let me know have a watch party shane larson at your house and invite everybody watch us stream on rumble tonight chris christie says trump ain't preparing and

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What more could you do with an afternoon? Very little, if you ask me. Now, overnight, even CNN have gone into a peculiar kind of meltdown while trying to reconcile Kamala Harris's current policy positions with her previous policy positions.

Marla Harris is a mystery when it comes to policy and every announcement makes it yet more opaque. One moment she's emulating Trump, the very next it appears that there could be a subverted and concealed agenda. While the debate may make things a little clearer, we've got to have a look at this to understand the true depths of what's going on.

of the complexity of Kamala. Let's have a look at this CNN report from Erin Burnett, who seems somewhat astonished. Tonight, Kamala Harris releasing details of her policy positions for the first time on her campaign website. A K-file investigation has uncovered, meantime, a 2019 questionnaire. And in this questionnaire, Harris laid out some much more liberal stances

among them on immigration. So in 2019, in what Kay File found, she said she would cut funding to ICE, writing, quote,

Well, now, of course, she's touting the Biden administration's executive order to crack down on the border. K-5's Andrew Kaczynski joins me now. Andrew, that's pretty incredible on its own when you're talking about what you found here on ICE. What else did you find? Yeah, and this was a questionnaire that she filled out for the ACLU. And this questionnaire is really an interesting snapshot in time of that 2019 Democratic primary. Kamala Harris was trying to get to the left.

of Bernie Sanders. She was trying to get to the left of Elizabeth Warren. And you really see that in a lot of these answers. And I want to walk our viewers through a little bit of what she said. Let's just take immigration and look at what she said here. She said on immigration, she made this open ended pledge to end immigrant detention. She said she supported taxpayer funded gender transition surgeries for detained migrants. She also said she's taxpayer funded gender transition surgeries for detained migrants. And what may I ask is wrong with that?

How do you propose elsewise that the gender would be altered of a detained migrant without some sort of surgical procedure? Are you imagining that the gender could be changed simply by imagination or self-will or by the weather itself? It will require medical intervention. What is the next policy? She wrote, both wrote and wrote.

in the affirmative when she was asked this. And she said she also supported it, uh, for federal prisoners. Now, she also pledged to slash immigration detention by 50%, close all family and private facilities, and decrease funding for ICE. And then the end, uh,

and ice detainers with local law enforcement. I mean, these are things that, you know, it would be hard to think that you would come up with taxpayer funding, gender transitions for detained migrants. And yet this... Surely trying to suggest that the American population at large don't want to fund the combined issues...

of gender transitioning surgery and immigration. What, Erin, is your problem, you fascist? You say written and verbally. Mm-hmm.

You know, what else, you know, did you find? Well, let's also let's take a look at her answer here on drugs. She got asked about, you know, this the question from the ACLU was since drug use is better addressed as a public health issue through treatment and other programming. Will you support the decriminalization at the federal level of all drugs?

drug possession for personal use and Harris answers yes. Now what would that mean? Well, I mean the federal all drug possession that's not just marijuana which she alluded to in her answer to this question but it also would mean you know it's federal level all drug personal use. You know cocaine things like that yeah. Have they responded? May I ask you what possible problem you may have

with not only legalizing but celebrating fentanyl, a drug that has done more to reduce the population of America than even... I don't know, I can't try to think of an example of any other ways you could reduce a population...

Nope. I'm blanking. I'm blanking bad. All I'm saying is, is getting populations down seems to be part of the agenda. What's wrong with that? The actual irony is, is I do believe in the decriminalizations of substances, believing that addiction is a spiritual problem brought about by a deep, deep despair. The despair itself comes about from not being in alignment with

God and not being in alignment with God, of course, comes from a number of conditions. Could be biological, could be familial, but I would argue quite strongly that they are sociological because we have cultivated and created a dark, near demonic society where the light of the Lord is extinguished by the bright Vegas-like light.

glare of an endless Tokyo of neon lies bombarded continually into your consciousness by deceptive corporate globalist forces that only are able to get away with this

guile and cruelty because they pretend they are helping you while they're doing it. So I'm not surprised that Kamala Harris has flipped flop more than a fourth of July hot dog while trying to make sense of

of the business of running for president. Because if you don't actually have any principles at all, simply say anything. Believe anything. If you are a cipher for a far deeper, potentially darker power, and I'm not suggesting that Kamala Harris is like,

aware of this while she's, what is it they're doing? They're out sizzling up bacon for a nephew. I was at home sizzling up bacon for a nephew, wasn't I, Chris? That's right. And I was, um, what was I doing? I was being in the war with a gun in a war army. I'm in a war army and I gunned them right up the war army. Didn't your wife say, my wife says I have problems with grandma. I'm having it now. I'm not saying grandma correctly.

I was sizzling a bacon for a nephew. Was it a niece? I don't remember. I never watched DuckTales entirely. Am I right? Am I right, though? It's an extraordinary world that we're living in when this slew of mania and insanity can be passed off to the beautiful people of America as some kind of political campaign. And perhaps tonight in the debate, which I'm hoping you'll join us for, we will see...

a different perspective, a different view. Perhaps we will understand that life is not linear, but neither is it so.

circular, it's more like a spiral, that the same ideas come round and round again, but perhaps this time you'll see them from a higher perspective or with a deeper understanding and having lived through several elections now and managed to glean above all else that they are part of a deceptive spectacle that ensure the ongoing power of institutions that sit beneath the reach of electoral democracy, what we might see

at best, is a charismatic wrecking ball disrupting a trajectory towards globalist authoritarianism, which can easily be diagnosed by anyone looking at what happened during the pandemic period, what we were told at the beginning, what we experienced by the end.

It's a complicated idea and perhaps no perfect solution is yet available and perhaps it's not even our job to bring about a perfect solution. But it is our best to be open-hearted, open-minded, and it is our right to be able to speak freely and to move towards a healthy awakening together. But that's just what I think. Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments below.

and the chat, because if even CNN can't make head nor tail of Kamala's positions, how can the rest of us possibly? Well, if you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to leave you now before I get one of my favorite guests ever on the show, Robert...

It might be Epstein because I'm never sure with Steenstein. Okay. I've made mistakes in the past, probably because of Harvey Weinstein. I can't remember what his name is anymore or Jeffrey Epstein. I can't remember. I don't remember the Steenstein situation, but Dr. Robert Epstein, I'm going to say Epstein, Epstein. He is a magnificent man who educated me brilliantly on the power of Google and their ability to manipulate information to a degree where you may not even know what you're voting for. Click the link in the description. Join us for this. You are not going to want to miss it.

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in a moment with my rather exciting and brilliant guest, Dr. Robert Epstein.

Do you contemplate the who made God question? It's an interesting one, eh? Yeah, it's infinite regress, isn't it? The who made God question. Whenever you ask someone what happened before the Big Bang, the question you're also asking is who created God? And in both cases, you will get an answer along the lines of, well, why does there have to be a before? In the case, as a Christian, I would say that the Trinity represents

eternity that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit existed in an eternity of timeless, not timeless, atemporal life. There's that Wittgenstein quote, isn't there? When you consider eternity not to be a large duration of time, but the condition of timelessness, then perhaps eternity belongs to he who lives in the moment.

oh yeah, Wittgenstein, that's who I'm quoting. Now, would I have become as educated as I was able to using things like, I don't know, libraries and listening had I lived as a boy in a 360 sphere curated by Google? That's the subject we'll be discussing with Dr. Robert Epstein. He's a psychologist, professor, author, and head of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology. He was awarded a PhD in psychology at Harvard in 1981 and was editor in

in chief at psychology today and has held positions at several universities including boston california san diego harvard and many more one thing i'll tell you is you will not reach that man using a gmail account because he believes that it is our duty to get out of the clutches grasp and control of big tech and that it goes far deeper and is far more nefarious than we ever dared to imagine dr robert thank you for joining us

It's my pleasure. It's always a pleasure to come back here. Please tell me how to say the Steen or Stein so I don't feel so embarrassed. Well, just think Einstein. No one says Einstein, right? No, they don't. So just think Einstein with an E. That's easy, isn't it? And that works, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Einstein. Epstein. Yeah. But then...

Let's not waste our time talking about that. I want to get to... Do you think, on the precipice of this election, with the campaign being sort of a giddy carousel that's moving faster than a hydrogen collider, like, how...

are we supposed to stay abreast of deeper truths? How are we supposed to make informed decisions? And what do Google do in particular that prevents us from assessing the election and the information emerging from both campaigns accurately and effectively?

Well, just a couple of hours ago, this is breaking news, a leaked video has been published from Google. It's an employee of theirs named Dakota Leaser, and he is actually talking about how Google is deliberately manipulating online content to favor Kamala Harris.

Now, it turns out that since you and I last talked, my team and I have set up the world's first nationwide monitoring system to do to Google what Google does to us and our kids 24 hours a day. They surveil us. Now we're surveilling them. So at the moment, we're collecting data, court admissible data, through the computers, through

of a politically balanced group of more than 15,000 registered voters in all 50 U.S. states, and we are collecting the evidence. We're actually collecting it by the millions. If you go to Americas, with an S, AmericasDigitalShield.com, you can actually see a dashboard where you can see the data coming in, and you can see the bias because we're measuring their manipulations in real time.

So what do we know, for example, about search results?

Search results related to Kamala Harris. What do we know? Well, it turns out over the past four or five months, well, five months ago, they were not supporting her in search results. They were sending people to both positive and negative content about her through their search results. Now, very gradually, they've introduced extreme bias favoring Kamala Harris. Well, wait a second. Let's pull that up right now. Let's post the link in the description and...

And let's have a look at, let's have a look. Let's have a look. Let's look at the website. Can we pull it up and have a look at it now? So it shows us a dashboard that shows us in real time the way that these biases are accumulating. And you've achieved that by getting 15,000 inverted commas neutral. Although I've got to tell you, Robert, I don't know how anyone could be neutral in this environment. It's so incendiary. It's so intoxicating. It's so sort of

driving and goading. But you told me you were going to do this last time we communicated, but it seemed to me to be an insurmountable task. But nevertheless, you've done it. Across the United States, there are 15,000 independent observers adjudicating and watching, as you say, exactly what Google do to us, you are doing to them. You are watching and accumulating data points so you can, in a sense, create a silhouette of

of what Google's intention might be based on the observable light of their conduct. And let's have a look at that now. Here it is, live ephemeral experiences captured. So can you talk us, I don't know if you can see it, Robert, but it's up on screen for us. Can you talk us through what we're watching? It's 99 million ephemeral experiences, but I don't know what they mean. Tell me how to appreciate this data.

Sure. Google manipulates by showing people content that's very fleeting, that has an impact on them, and then disappears forever. And internally at the company, they call those ephemeral experiences. So at one point, there was a leak of emails from Google to the Wall Street Journal in which Google employees were saying, how can we use ephemeral experiences, again, it's their term, to change people's views about Trump's travel ban? Yeah.

Now, so they use ephemeral experiences like search suggestions, which disappear, search results, answer boxes, recommendations on YouTube for recommending the next video, then the up next video that plays automatically. All that is ephemeral. In other words, it disappears and it's gone forever. For that was always their biggest protection because they assumed no one could ever capture ephemeral experiences.

We've spent almost $7 million and about seven years developing increasingly powerful systems for capturing ephemeral content. And yes, I told you last time I was on that we were planning to set up the world's first

nationwide system. And no, these are not independent people. This is a politically balanced group. It's around 25% conservative, 25% liberal, 25% moderate, and 25% people who say other or unaffiliated. So we're getting the full balance and we're collecting data in a scientifically valid fashion and in a manner which is now admissible in 19 or 20 states.

and we're collecting data from all 50 states 24 hours a day. This webpage that you're seeing, which shows the bias in real time on Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, and other platforms,

This is court admissible. This is the biggest threat these companies have ever faced. The bigger this database gets, and we're getting very close to 100 million ephemeral experiences now preserved. Well, actually, I think it might happen while we're sitting here. The ephemeral experiences, they're accumulating right now. So some of the examples we have here are like Google searches for Trump showing up as results for Kamala.

Google searches for Donald Trump showing negative stories about Trump. Google searches for the assassinations about Trump disappearing. Now, we've seen Elon Musk post this. Now, given that this is primarily a story about objectivity, I feel it would be remiss for me not to ask you about, I'm seeing a lot of comments in the Rumble chat talking about Jimmy Dore. Did you go on Jimmy Dore's show and what was that experience like and what happened? I didn't see it myself. I'm just responding to comments saying that you were on Jimmy Dore and maybe it was contentious. I don't know.

Well, I don't know. I don't think he was feeling very well, and I wish him all the best. But he did kind of get angry on the show. I've never seen that happen. I used to have my own show on SiriusXM. I had on Jimmy Carter, Jamie Lee Curtis, Carrie Fisher. I never got angry at a guest before, but he did kind of get angry at me. And again, I wish him the best. I hope he's okay.

But a couple days ago, I was on – for the second time, I was on Joe Rogan, and that's going to air tomorrow. And there I had a kind of a meltdown. You had one.

I had a meltdown because... What's going on? Are you going to be safe on this show? I don't want anything happening. Jimmy Dore, I absolutely love him. Joe Rogan, I love him. So me and you are going to be fantastic, though, and you're going to have a lovely, delicate experience. What happened to you on Rogan? Well, Rogan... No, no, Rogan...

handled it very well and he told me afterwards that he thinks it was one of the best shows he's ever done and he thinks it's going to go viral he says that to everyone he's playing with you he's playing with you Robert now go on what happened man

Well, what happened was that we started out in the usual way, and he asked some straightforward questions. And then I said, well, I can't really answer your questions because I need to have a meltdown first. And he goes, it goes a meltdown. And I go, yes, I need to have a meltdown on your show. Is that okay? And he said, well, I guess so.

And I just started explaining to him how fed up I was, how stupid people are, how complacent they are, that they don't seem to understand what's going on. And I've been working for 12 years doing intensive, rigorous research, publishing in peer-reviewed journals, writing articles, going on shows like yours, trying to get the word out, and people just don't care.

And it's so frustrating because people are being manipulated to an extent that is unprecedented in history. And this year alone, Google has the ability to shift between 6.5 million and 25.5 million votes in our presidential election. And again, it's so rare that I find people who...

who get it, who understand what a big deal this is and what a threat it is to our democracy. In the U.S., as far as I'm concerned, we've not had control of our own elections since 2012 because that's the power that these tech companies have to shift votes and opinions and attitudes and beliefs and purchases. And they use this power without any...

They use this power 24 hours a day. And I know because now we're catching them. We're actually collecting the data. So I just went on and on about how fed up I was. That's what happened. And then Joe kept kind of, you know. Checking you were all right. That's nice to hear that level of sensitivity from a man who I know to be a tender-hearted individual in spite of his obvious personality.

macho-ness. Now, I want to talk to you about a few very particular stories, and I'm going to show you some clips, because you are a man who loves Data Doctor, and I don't want any meltdowns. This is, first of all, a story about Democrats paying social media influencers up to $10,000 per post. That's number 12. I'm going to play that now.

This month, Sunne says she was hired by Protect Our Care, a progressive advocacy group that relies on anonymous donors. She made a video warning about Trump's second term agenda. They almost help you script it, right? Right, definitely. She takes their talking points and puts them into her

own voice saying she always discloses when she's being paid what's your rate so a video just for a creator in my size an average can go from three thousand dollars to ten thousand dollars depending and upwards see well these this is an interesting story doctor i don't know if you can see my t-shirt but we've done some interesting deals this is a nice these are a bunch of guys that you can rely on

They get a lot of bad press primarily because of stuff that happened in the last few years. But I assure you that they're doing their absolute best over there at Pfizer and Moderna. They're all very good. All of them, the whole lot of them, Johnson and Johnson, but don't trust that third Johnson. He was the worst of a lot of them. So do that, that,

The example there on CBS Mornings, isn't that kind of, this is not precisely what you're talking about. You're talking about the management of data and the manipulation of data and these ephemeral impressions I might just see when I'm looking at my YouTube feed or, of course, I only use Rumble. I'm a company man. But were I to be looking at some of those nefarious big tech hell holes online,

what you would see is that the impressions are somehow being manipulated centrally to subtly guide people. And you say it could be as many as 25 million people, which of course amounts to an election. But one thing I wanted to follow up on, as well as seeing if you have anything to add to this clip we've just watched from CBS and Influence, is if it's been influencing every single election since 2012, then we've had...

victories for either side during that period. So are Google available to either side? And if so, it's just another utensil and does it matter?

Okay. Couple of things. Number one, that clip that you just showed, that's not something we should worry about because that's competitive. That's like, that's like, uh, the campaigns buying television commercials, competing television commercials, competing billboards. That's competitive. There's always dirty tricks on both sides. That's not a threat to democracy, but we have, uh,

Instead, we have something that's never existed before in history, and that is we have these couple of huge online platforms. If Google wants to support a particular candidate, you cannot counteract what they're doing. Let me give you an example of what we're detecting right this second. And again, without a monitoring system, you would never know this is occurring. Right now on Google's homepage, which is seen 500 million times a day in the U.S.,

They are sending register to vote reminders to Democrats at two and a half times the rate they're sending them to Republicans. Now, that's going to turn into partisan mail in your ballot reminders and then that's going to turn into partisan go vote reminders.

And those manipulations alone, those targeted messages on Google's homepage, you can't counteract it. And if there's no monitoring system in place, you can't even see it. And that shifts millions of votes. Literally, go vote reminders on Election Day itself will give one candidate an additional 450,000 votes back.

that day. That's why we have to have monitoring systems because without them, you don't know what is going on. What the tech companies are doing has nothing to do with dirty tricks. It's literally these huge monopolies who have at their command incredibly powerful forms of manipulation that have never existed before. And that's what we study. That's what we publish.

And it's scary stuff. The more we've learned about it, the scarier it gets. Can I give you a quick example of some of our latest research? Okay. So we've done a lot of research showing that biased content, for example, in social

Search results, search suggestions, answer boxes can shift the voting preferences of undecided voters by between 20 and 80 percent. So that we've known that's been replicated. That's a real finding. But what we discovered recently is even scarier. And that is this. If we show one group biased content, we'll get a 20 percent shift or so in their voting preferences. And that we know.

But now we have another group. In this other group, we're sending them the same biased content, but it's coming from news sources that they say they trust. In other words, we're personalizing the content. We're personalizing it. And when we personalize it, the effect triples. We'll now get a shift of 60% or more, triple

triple the effect just by personalizing the content. Robert, sorry to interrupt you, can you give me a specific example of a personalized piece of manipulative content versus, you know, like, oh, if it comes from a CNN feed or if it comes from, can you give us some actual literal examples of personalized versus the more neutral type of bias?

Sure. So we could have a bias story that says Kamala Harris has the perfect health plan that's going to solve all our problems, and we send it to people over here without...

any particular news source and then people over here we send it from a news source that they say they trust so we manipulate it so it looks like it's coming from a news source that they say they trust so now it's personalized to fit their particular likes and dislikes and the effect triples

Now, does Google send out personalized content? Of course they do. If you've been using Google for 20 years, they have the equivalent of more than 3 million pages of information about you. And they use that information both to manipulate and, of course, to sell you things. And that's how they make their money. So, yeah.

What we're collecting in this monitoring system is not just content from more than 15,000 registered voters throughout the U.S., it's personalized content. We're looking over the shoulders, with their permission, of registered voters, and we're capturing what they are getting on their screens. We're capturing the content being sent to them by Google, Bing, Yahoo, YouTube, Facebook.

TikTok and other platforms. Sure, but would you say then that Google would send a piece of content that would say Kamala's health plan is, you know, there's never been anything quite like it, says Rachel Maddow.

I'm saying that they would say that anyway. So what would they say? Says Dwayne The Rock Johnson? Says Sean Hannity? I mean, how would it look to the eye of the... No, no, no, because...

Because here's the search results. You're typing in healthcare at the top. They're showing you search suggestions. They're showing you search results. What I'm saying is they will filter and order the search results so that at the top, there's content that they know you will trust, that they're personalizing it. So it's real content coming from the internet, but they're

ordering it in a way that you're likely to click on what's at the top. And that's what people do click on. And that takes them to a web page that they're going to be very trusting of. I see. And that's what we test in our experiments to see how much power that has. I see. Because it would organically do that because it knows what sources you're continually using and the media will comply and provide that kind of content because that's

what they functionally do. I get it. Now, that makes sense. Thank you, Robert. Now, I'm going to show you, if I may, a James O'Keefe piece where a Google growth strategist exposes Google search engines, a Google search engine manipulation for the Kamala campaign, which for you,

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Hey, we mentioned before the commercial that we are going to play this clip of James O'Keefe, who's doing a little sting on a Google growth strategist that's right in Dr. Epstein's area of expertise. Let's have a look. Google was essentially promoting through its ads rhetoric that was very pro-Kamala. And it seemed to link out to legitimate news publication sites. So it seemed like it was an ad from PBS.

but it was really an ad for the Kamala campaign or whatever. - Meet Dakota Leaser, growth strategist and ad salesman at Google. Dakota Leaser goes on to say they're quote, "Reorienting the search engine to favor Kamala Harris." - But it's like you go to Google

They're reorienting the search engine such that Kamala is more, you know, favored. Facebook, I feel like, is promoting, you know, content that is favorable towards her. A lot of the AI stuff that's sort of, like, deliberating right now is doing so in a way that's, like, generally favorable to her. Dakota Liazer, growth strategist at Google, reveals that, quote, Google is a very progressive company, unquote. He admits that, quote,

Google will allow a belief that one side will allow them to make more money. I mean, Google's a very liberal, progressive company. If they have a belief that one side will allow them to make more money. I don't think it's like, at the very, very top,

I don't think it's political. I think it's like economic. I think it's all about like the share or the stock price. The Google growth strategist suggests that political headlines help generate ad revenue for Google. These political headlines that are generating clicks, which generates ad revenue, it's all fueled out of hate.

Well, what do you say, Doctor? Is this the very kind of thing that you're talking about from Dakota Lisa, this ad salesman? In fact, you did use this example. Do you think this is happening at scale? Do you think that this kind of manipulation happens not only around elections, but to further promote stories that are in other ways beneficial to the establishment? For example, are you familiar with the Trusted News Initiative, which includes numerous news organizations like the BBC...

YouTube, I believe the New York Times are in it, certainly the Washington Post are. So, for example, if they wanted to destroy Joe Rogan with the either Mectin story or attack me on the basis of allegations, those stories would be promoted. Do you think it could be utilized across a variety of issues? And do you imagine it was used in the pandemic? Do you imagine it is used as part of smearing and taking down opponents?

I have no doubt that they have been using these techniques for many years. But what I'm trying to tell you is we performed a miracle because we have actually now built the world's first nationwide monitoring system. And what this David Leazar said in this clip, we have the proof. We have court admissible proof on a very large scale coming from all over the U.S.,

not only the way they're using bias in their content to support Kamala Harris, but we actually can track what's happened over the past six months. We can go back in time now because the database is growing and growing, and we can see that six months ago they were not supporting her and that they've gradually increased the support, and now the support is enormous. It's astronomical. It's enough to shift things.

millions of votes in a national election. And how do we know it shifts votes? Because we've been doing research

controlled experiments since 2013, which we publish in peer-reviewed journals, which shows the power that bias and personalization has when they're presenting content that favors one candidate or another. That's how we can do the computations. So we have the evidence coming from the computers of more than 15,000 registered voters in all 50 U.S. states, politically balanced and

And we have the scientific research that shows what the impact is of these manipulations. So, yeah, I agree.

What this man is saying is true, but what he's saying is probably not court admissible. And a lot of the news stories that pop up, the one recently about, for example, trying to look up the Trump assassination attempts on Google, and you type that information in and they send you search suggestions, but all the suggestions are for Lincoln assassination and McKinley assassination. Nothing. They don't send any suggestions related to Trump.

But, you know, that's anecdotal. It's not admissible in court. And that's what people keep doing. They keep coming up with anecdotes. But we're collecting those search suggestions by the millions. We know what they're actually sending to a very, very large group of people across the U.S. because we're looking over the shoulders of real people. We're seeing the real content that they're sending. And we know, by the way, when they're sending different content

to conservatives and liberals. We can track it that way too. We can break it down by demographic. We know what's really happening now. Stop saying you're looking over their shoulders, Dr. Robert. It sounds unusual and eerie, like they're peeking at you.

With their permission. Yeah, I know. I understand. It's also somewhat metaphorical. But so a few questions. One, what are the next steps with the data that you've accumulated, which you say, and I believe you, is empirical truth that these biases that we all understand take place anecdotally is indeed taking place now demonstrably. Would you explain to me what the next steps are? And also, like, you know, because further to that, I know that if I

were to use YouTube because whilst we are on Rumble and Rumble's our home precisely because we believe in free speech, if I look at how my content's doing on YouTube, and by the way, it varies vastly. Like the last time we did something about vaccines or mRNA therapies, for example, it looked to me like it was bizarre

being controlled, that there is definitely certain types of content that is shadow banned or in other ways impaired. For the longest time, whenever I'd put my name in, because I don't use the metrics app to look at YouTube, I just check how our content is doing on them. Just trying to let you know that I do look at how my content does. Shoot me, shoot me for caring about what we do. Like that when I put Russell Brand into YouTube, it's always trying to get me to go to Russell Brand,

is a right bastard. Like it's YouTube. It doesn't appreciate what I've done for it. Quite the opposite. As a matter of fact, it seems to want to destroy me. So is that, would you say that's further evidence of what you are dis, what you've proved, but it's a, you know, anecdotal evidence.

Well, it turns into evidence when we make adjustments in what we're looking for, which we can do at any time. So if we add your name into the content that we're searching for every day. So right now we're searching for about 600 different items. But we could add you in there as well. I mean, why am I not in there?

But moving forward, we can make adjustments of any sort and we can look for anything at all, any manipulations on any platforms. I would at some point be able to use that as evidence to say, hey, look, Google is clearly biasing people towards these outcomes. Could you do it? Is it possible to do it retrospectively or is part of the problem that it's ephemeral? Could you go back to, for example, September 2023 when a series of

media organizations worked in coordination with several other NGOs and government agencies to propagate some pretty nefarious stories.

Well, right now we can go back about a year, but moving forward, we're going to have years and years and years of data, and we can, as I say, make adjustments in what we're searching for. So right now, as a matter of fact, we're in the process of revising what it is we're searching for because the elections are so close here. So we're going to be searching for more than 1,000 different people and topics here.

And, you know, as this system grows, because it's growing every day, we have more field agents at it every day and we're looking for more topics every day. The system is just going to grow and grow and grow. And yes, at some point in time, you'll be able to look back.

If you're in the system, you'll be able to look back and we'll gather all that data for you. And then moving forward, we can look at anything that we want to look for because we have access with, thank goodness for these, these wonderful people who are allowing us to do this because we have access to all of this information.

data coming into the computers of real people. You have to, if you want to know what they're doing, by the way, you have to, I know you don't like this phrase, but with their permission, you have to look over the shoulders of real people because that's where you see personalized content.

And we do this without Google being able to detect what we're doing. So this is called passive monitoring. And we developed this technology from scratch starting in 2016. And now it's very sophisticated. What I told you we were going to do, which is about a year ago. OK, I never imagined we would have gotten this far. And we are going to cross over that hundred million mark, probably.

probably within hours or days. And that's amazing. I think it's brilliant, Robert. I don't know why you keep having such a tough time in other people's podcasts, because I think actually you're doing fantastic and important work. And I can see how personally I'd be able to use that data. But I do recognize at the moment there's an election coming up and you have other priorities. But if you get time to add me to the 600, 601.com,

It's not such a round number. Are you writing it down? Good. Yes. Thank you, Robert. Pop it in. Pop it into the get it peep over their shoulders. That one is what I would say. So we've talked about how it will impact, you know, vote registrations, for example. You've told me that it could affect between six and twenty five million votes in the forthcoming presidential election.

Another person that has made claims of this nature, and in fact, I think might have a court case, is the significant voice when it comes to the condemnation of the pharmaceutical industry and their insidious tactics. Bobby Kennedy, who is his joining, in fact, of the Trump campaign and MAGA movement. That gives me some encouragement that there might be the ability to disrupt this tendency towards corruption.

technological omniscience and governmental omnipotence that appears to be the current intention. Where is Bobby Kennedy a particularly interesting case? Is he someone that you have any examples around?

Yes, we do. We've just generated an RFK Jr. report. I have not seen it yet myself, but apparently the report was finished yesterday. I can't wait to see what's on it. But now to go back to the big question you asked a couple of minutes ago, we have scheduled a meeting with RFK Jr.'s staff for next week.

And basically, we are working now with AGs around the country, attorneys general. We're working with members of Congress. We're working with public advocacy groups, parenting groups, election integrity groups. So you're saying, what are we going to do with all this data? Well, this data is going to be used in lawsuits and it's going to be used in public pressure campaigns.

And it's going to be used to shame these companies and it's going to be used to push them away from our elections and away from our kids. Oh, my God, that's amazing. And the fact that you've done this in one year, when we spoke a year ago, this you were just a giddy young doctor with a dream. Now you're a fantastic scientist with an incredible project out.

there breaking hearts and baffling some of the finest podcasters in the space. Dr. Robert Epstein, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for the incredible work that you are doing in exposing a power so all-consuming and ubiquitous that we almost don't notice it's there and wouldn't be able to prove that it was had it not been for your fantastic endeavor. Thank you for your work and thank you for joining me today.

Absolutely. And please go to AmericasDigitalShield.com if you want to see what we're doing. Americas with an S, DigitalShield.com. Thank you, Russell. It's a pleasure. Thank you, doctor. Post those things in the chat. Post them in the chat right now. Well, thank you, Dr. Robert Epstein, for being such a fantastic guest. Thanks all of you for joining us. We have but a matter of hours before we will resume streaming to give you our debate live. I've already made my prediction.

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