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What Republicans Lost When They Won on Roe

2024/6/20
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Astead Herndon: 本期节目探讨了2022年6月最高法院推翻罗诉韦德案后，共和党在堕胎问题上所面临的困境。尤其关注亚利桑那州的堕胎权利公投，以及由此引发的共和党内部的分裂。 Matt Gress: 作为亚利桑那州的共和党州众议员，Gress 认为1864年的堕胎禁令与现代社会价值观相悖，投票支持废除该法案，为此受到了党内同僚的批评和惩罚。他认为共和党需要在堕胎问题上采取更具策略性的立场，以赢得更多选民的支持，避免在中期选举中失利。他主张在堕胎问题上寻求妥协，例如支持15周的堕胎限制，而不是完全禁止堕胎。 Jeff Durbin: 作为Apologia教会的牧师，Durbin 是堕胎废除主义者，主张完全禁止堕胎，并将堕胎视为谋杀。他批评共和党内部的“亲生命”势力在堕胎问题上立场不坚定，缺乏一致性，未能坚持原则。他认为，共和党为了选票而放弃原则，这是一种不诚实的行为。Durbin及其教会积极参与反堕胎活动，并对那些寻求在堕胎问题上妥协的共和党人施加压力。 Elizabeth Dias: 作为《纽约时报》的全国宗教记者，Dias 指出，在罗诉韦德案被推翻后，反堕胎运动内部也存在分歧。一些激进的废除主义者坚持完全禁止堕胎，而另一些人则更倾向于寻求妥协。这种分裂可能会影响共和党在中期选举中的表现。共和党人需要在赢得选民和坚持原则之间找到平衡。 Astead Herndon: 在推翻罗诉韦德案后，共和党面临着一个关键问题：下一步是什么？在亚利桑那州，这个问题尤为重要，因为民主党已经动员起来，推动一项公民倡议，以在州宪法中确立堕胎权利，这可能会对拜登总统的连任产生影响。本节目采访了支持和反对该倡议的人士，探讨了亚利桑那州反堕胎运动内部的新裂痕。

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For decades, the mainstream Republican position on abortion rights was clear: Overturn Roe v. Wade and send the issue back to the states.

But since June 2022, when the Supreme Court’s conservative majority did exactly that, Republicans have faced a question that few seemed to consider beforehand: What comes next?

In Arizona, that question is especially important. In that battleground state, Democratic groups have already mobilized to put a citizen initiative on the November ballot that would enshrine abortion rights in the state’s Constitution and help increase President Biden’s chances at re-election.

So this week, after spending time with organizers who support the ballot) measure on the last episode, we are meeting its opponents and exploring the anti-abortion movement in Arizona, which finds itself fractured along new fault lines. 

On today’s episode:

Matt Gress), a Republican state representative in Arizona

Jeff Durbin), pastor of Apologia Church, in the greater Phoenix area

Elizabeth Dias), national religion correspondent for The New York Times