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Listen to The Podium on the iHeart app or your favorite podcast platform weekly and every day during the games to hear the Olympics like you've never quite heard them before. Hey, everybody. It's Gavin Newsom. And today we have a remarkable episode. We go behind the scenes. We go behind the walls. We go in to death row. It's San Quentin Prison. San Quentin Prison, one of the most iconic prisons anywhere in the world for one notable reason.
It has the largest death row in the Western Hemisphere. You know the names from Scott Peterson, Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, Charles Manson even spent some time at San Quentin. We'll go into death row for the first time since death row has been shut down. Not the prisoners were released.
But death row now is being converted into general prison population. The reason we're at San Quentin is because of remarkable reforms that are taking shape, focusing on public safety, focusing on reentry, focusing on rehabilitation.
We'll talk to incarcerated individuals. We'll talk to the warden. We'll talk to guards. We'll talk a little bit about the history of Marshawn, whose uncle was a guard in San Quentin Prison. I even run into an old baseball teammate from Little League in the yard at San Quentin. So come in, join us behind the scenes in this raw, unfiltered, and real conversation about life at San Quentin Prison.
Man, what's happening, man? You got Marshawn, Beast Mode, Lynch. Doug Hendrickson. And Gavin Newsom, and you're listening to Politicking. Children on the beat. Children on the beat. Guys, good to see you. Today we're going into San Quentin to learn more about...
this place and what it's all about and where they're going with the movement and where they're going with the programs they have and for us to kind of show everybody what we're learning. We're in the oldest and probably the most notorious prison in the United States of America, 1852. The largest death row in the Western Hemisphere.
And it's also now the most notorious prison for reforms in America with something we call the California model. A few years back, we set a course for a new strategy, a new approach to rehabilitation and also public safety. We want to focus on the fact that 95 percent, 95 percent of the folks that come here are released.
They don't end up here. They don't die here. Folks that cycle through this system, we want them back home as better neighbors because they're going to be your neighbors. So this is a public safety effort, a public safety initiative to make sure people don't come back here. And the reality is the recidivism rate, the number of people that reoffend is off the charts if you don't get programs in prison.
So the smartest thing we can do, the toughest thing we can do on crime is get programs in prisons like this but at scale and give people hope that on the outside they can turn their lives around and at the same time make our community stronger, more resilient, and safe. So we're going to have a chance to see some of these programs, talk to the prisoners directly, talk to the warden.
who's a change agent, a warden, by the way, who's had real lived experience with family members. His father was incarcerated, knows what he's talking about. One of the most exciting and reform-oriented wardens in America that happens to be here at San Quentin. And then we're going to walk through death row.
We're going to walk through death row that you name it as some of the most notorious people that have spent the greater part of their lives have died in death row. I have a chance to see the old barbaric gas chamber and see the side of the last lethal injection in California.
all today. Sounds like you got a pretty full lineup today, huh? Yeah, we got a lineup, brother. It includes Marshawn Lynch in the yard with you. You ain't rolling with me. Marshawn Lynch and Gavin Newsom on Politicking coming your way. Dude, you haven't been on Death Row? No, I've never been in the prison. You've never been in the fucking prison? No. I'm so excited for you. I'm actually excited for you. I'm actually happy and excited for you.
I mean that. By the way, you can appreciate every developer. Want this land. They want this every fucking year during the budget. We have people with new proposals and how they'll take care of tearing it down. Just give it to us for a dollar a year and we'll take care of the property. This one of them properties? This is the one everyone wants because it's Marin fucking County. It's the whole thing. And you do ferry service right up to the new development and it's massive land. I mean, this is literally some of the highest.
Most valuable land anywhere in the state. I mean, shit, look at it. You know I lived on the other side of it. You was right on the water, man. On point. Yeah. Rich, man. Yeah, you appreciate it. But to caliphate that goddamn tax shit. You look young to get word.
This guy gave me an opportunity, so I'm taking full advantage of it. This is no Shawshank Redemption with the suit and tie on. No. Okay. By the way, 1852, it's the oldest prison that was, when it was built, was designed to deal with the entire incarcerated population for California. And then we went on to build another, well, peak 34. So was this built before Alcatraz? 1852. When the hell was Alcatraz done? 1852.
I could tell you're on much later, right? State. State prison. State prison. As the boss said, now we're kind of the lead mark in this California model. So I think, first time here? First time. Oh, very excited. First time's the best time because I think we get to change the perception of how people see some of our prisons in California. Yeah. But, Doug, old.
This is the main place from a deferred maintenance perspective, etc. Struggles. We wanted to welcome you the right way. Welcome to St. Quentin. I don't feel comfortable. I'm very uncomfortable right now. That's too funny. Get in here, man. That was funny. How many inmates here currently? Our count's about 3,400. 3,400? Yeah.
I've been hanging out with this guy for years now every time I'm here. There he is man I've been trying to get him massage some shit over See you know they just everything by the book everything by the man he put about a book and
Yeah, by the book. This ain't by the book. Well, listen, I don't know. You know, they whole life trying to stay out of this motherfucker. And you want to come in the motherfucker. I got it. Maybe backwards. You tell me how fucked up in the mind you got to be. You want to stay out of it? I had a free Sunday last Sunday and was hanging out here. Marshawn, check this out. You got to come in here, man. Is this open? Do you have it open? Yep. Mary, you got a key out for the dungeon? I don't.
I can get it by the time you get it. Marshawn has to check this out. Doug has to check this out. So this kind of shows our true formation of where we're going. So this is the dungeon. This is what it used to look like. Stuffed people in here. No toilets. Just walls. Yeah, why do you think I would want to see it? Because you didn't know just to see it, man.
No, Marshawn. Remember, man, I got this kind of other shit already fucked up in the 80s. I don't need no dough, so I can imagine that that's enough. No, Marshawn, it's worth taking a look at, man. You talk about people who's in there shitting and pissing on each other and this kid can't get up.
I'm just saying that ain't exciting to me, man. Oh, but it's important to understand the past so we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. When we come back, we'll go into the San Quentin yard where folks are getting a little bit of exercise in taking a little time for themselves, including one incarcerated individual, Reginald Thorpe, who died.
He's from Oakland, California, and has been serving time for a murder conviction. He's been incarcerated now some 26 years. It's a conversation I never thought we'd have in a raw and unfiltered way that takes some twists and turns that make it a fascinating look inside the prison at San Quentin. ♪
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What's up, man? Good to be back. Told you. I'm not walking away. A lot of work. How you doing? Good, man. Good. I ain't seen nobody break no nine tackles. I haven't. I haven't. What's up with the sound, though, man? I see y'all from the east, bro. Where at?
- From Grusdale? - Grusdale, 700. 700. - It's treacherous over here right now, though, how Hagenberger is. - Yeah, they just was mobbing. They just hit the gas station right there. - By the way, where was I yesterday? At the Shell gas station in Hagenberger, bro. - Oh, you was? - The Shell. I spend more time in Oakland than you do, my son. - You just coming through there and doing the little pop-ups and shit for your camera op. - No, man. That was the fourth time I've been to that damn Shell.
This time there was no one with me, man. See, I lived there. That's where you raised, born and raised. But don't trip. You know why you can do that, because they seen you fuck with me, so they got me. They got to give you the pass when you slide down. It used to be like that, though, bro. When I was a kid, I used to run around in that area. When they had the castle in the Malibu over there, it wasn't nowhere near. Yeah, bro, I'm old school, bro. All that parking lot and stuff, none of that was right. Man, I used to break into the Coliseum to feed myself during the 80s.
- The corn dogs, hot dogs, - The whole shit. - I used to go up in the concession stands. - I know man, I was gonna tell you, and then they take all the teams out of town and then expect people to go to work. - We still got the ballers. - We got the ballers, we got the rooks. - They just came back. - We know how to put the mix on everything. - They don't even finesse the shit, huh? - Yeah, we bitch-stepping, don't stop making it. - They got the ballers? Hell yeah. Now what's your name? - My name's Rich, bro. - Rich? - Yup. - Right on. - Yup. - Respect. - Hagenberger.
What you was doing, Gavin? We've done a lot on Hagenberger. No, it's not even politicking, man. I'm not even kidding. By the way, after reading, it's the most dangerous gas station in the United States of America. I did read that. It's the last station before you go in and return your rental car. 15 to 20 robberies a day.
And when I read about this kid who had a backpack on and they dragged the kid with the backpack on, this little eight-year-old kid, and pulled him out to rip the backpack on, that's when you set it up. Well, it's sad, the whole corridor. I mean, the Hilton's gone now, the Oakland Hilton. Well, we lost the In-N-Out Burger. How did it get like that, though? That's the issue, man. Go back years, though. That didn't just happen overnight. The system they put in. The system, the way that things was designed over here, like...
It's not enough money in Oakland no more. The way that they get the property tax over there, they're getting that money and they're not reinvesting it back into Oakland. But shit, they done pushed me out. They're not doing that no more.
I remember when I was a kid, I used to be able to go to the recreation center. I didn't even have to worry about getting in trouble or being in the streets. But now there's not no resources there no more. They're taking the money and they're holding on to it instead of putting it back in there. It's like they want to put more money into law enforcement and locking people up rather than trying to find solutions to the problems that's really at the root of that stuff. There's a lot of people out there home being starving and there's nothing for them to do.
Well, we're trying to, I mean, it's right now, it's...
It's gotten so bad that we do have to put a lid on how bad it's gotten, but none of us have forgotten the original sin as it relates to lack of investment. And so that's happening in parallel at unprecedented levels as well to reinvest back in the community. One thing I know about Oakland as a child, Oakland took care of me. When my parents was using drugs and stuff, when I went out in the streets, Oakland took care of me. That's why I'm still right here today because the city of Oakland, it
itself took care of me despite all the bad stuff that was happening in North City. Oakland took care of me when my parents couldn't take care of me. For real. And we got a spirit out there. That's why Steph and Draymond and Clay, when they went to San Francisco, they wasn't feeling that because they didn't have no say in that. They wanted to stay in the town. They was like, that ain't my choice. But they wanted, they loved the town. They wanted to stay out there. We got a culture out there. Yeah.
We got a culture in that spirit in Oakland ain't gonna never die no matter what they do, no matter how many people they lock up, how many police they put on the street. We don't always at the town hall. And they call it town business. For real, bruh. That's what it is. That's what it is.
that's what it is look because you just explained some to him like we was chopping it up we kick game because we politic for our little uh for our podcast and hell of i stopped politicking but i'm sorry but the thing is you stop politicking but what you just did the ism that you just you feel me the ism that you just gave look like that's the politic and then family though away from his politics yeah but you being able to explain something like that you feel me that is big
You feel me? Because motherfuckers don't hear it on that type of level. And then when you hear it coming straight directly from you, rather than you looking at some numbers, oh, we got it. Because it don't come like that. It come, oh, the budget this, and we got to do this, and all the smart-ass RRAs and all that other shit. When you hungry, that don't even matter. That's what I'm saying. You ain't worried about no budget, bro. That's exactly what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying, but when you're able to break it down to him like that and tell him straight up, because the way that they're going to see it on that other level, that's all they're looking at. Do these numbers matter? So when you talk about they taking money out of the community and shit, they're looking at, okay, well, last time we put in X, Y, Z for this project, and then they're looking at the project. What did that project do? How much money did that project bring in for us? Okay, well, that didn't do right. So
So fuck it, we're going to take the money that we was getting for this and we're going to move it over here. Now they're just moving shit around just to figure out and try to see what's going to work, what's going to stick. And then at the end of the day... What about that one youngster who live they say that they're not talking about that stopped from going in that store and robbing that convenience store on Hagenberger or coming up in there hella deep
see that's how we that's how we feel they talk about people going in there robbing and doing all this stuff talk about that one youngster that didn't decide to go on that mission and go in a different direction they don't talk about that that one yeah that one youngster ended up turning into that youngster like me like you said you from the deep you feel what i'm saying from the north i lived on 55th and field so when i had to go to school i had to go all the way through the east okay all the way back to the north and then to come back home so
Know exactly what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about.
When I was still doing my stuff, he used to be running around on the level foyer chasing me around when I was young. We was IGI, bro. You know, I'm happy that we got a warden like this that know where people like myself came from. He was on the line when I was on the line, active and doing hella shit, bro. He seen me grow up in CSP, Sac, Blue Possum.
And for him to see me then up now to who I am, it speaks value. We both quit politics. Yeah. That's right. Oh, man. Man, look. You know what I mean?
No, but what's so interesting about this conversation and mirrors, literally we were having exactly this conversation last week. Yeah. I mean, I know you give me shit for going back for the fourth fucking time to this. No, I know. The place without any cameras, each time without any cameras to make the point. I'm going to keep coming back over and over and over again. And I've been doing that. Look, not the mayor of Oakland.
There's 476 cities in California, but it's out of control there. And so we stepped up. We stepped up last six, nine months. But I will say it's been out of control. I get it. But it's like out of control in the 80s when they start bringing cocaine into this country. I get it. I get it. I know I can't make up for all the mackerel, all the history. But I know I understand. But it was what things really started to spin.
in the last few years in particular. And so we have significantly stepped up our investments. But the point you're making is a difficult point, right? At the same time, we should be, I mean, I get it. That sort of binary, this notion that, okay, he's just putting more cops on the street. That's bullshit, locking people up. That's not going to solve the problem versus addressing all those systemic issues. So for us, it's both and. It's both and. But I've got to put a lid on it because it's so bad now.
that people are leaving in droves, businesses are leaving, and it's just gotten to a point where no one is comfortable. Well, we've been saturating with the CHP and others supporting local law enforcement. They're wildly understaffed. They're not doing any pursuits. We're not prosecuting even people that are being arrested. And you've got folks. I mean, I had a member of my staff. Now, listen to this. A member of my staff with her daughter
and a gun was put to the kid's head in the stroller to take the diapers.
I mean, at what point do I say, okay, we just, that's the kind of stuff, like, that's where you draw the line, and there's got to be some accountability. So it's, again, I don't dismiss anything you're saying, quite the contrary. I'm actually praising what you're saying. But at the same time, I'm trying to express, hopefully, an understanding that we also need to deal with the lawlessness at the moment and put a lid on it, but without overcompensating, going back to the old days of over-incarceration.
And that's why we're here, man. That's the whole point. You know what we used to do when housing authority used to come? What? We would run and hide and then come back out when they need us. Look at that. That's a whole other conversation. I mean, housing, the task force, Oakley Police Department, the Alameda County Sheriff's, Park Police. I get it. We would run, get away. As soon as you leave, we'd come back out and do what we was doing. I get it. So it's like...
Okay, I understand that you're trying to just put this band-aid on there, but really, that thing needs triage right now. Oh, that's what we're doing. It needs some real, like, somebody...
And then a lot of the crimes that's happening in that area ain't even people from Oakland that's committing no crimes. By the way, that has become a bigger issue. I agree with you. Some of the crimes that I be saying, I'm old school. Some of them people that got the shit beat out of them, bro, why is you bringing heat to the block? Literally having this conversation. Yeah, bro, you about to get after everything. Man, we got this. We don't need more.
To with the point, that's what we're also trying to address. 100% right. But the people that was enforcing that, they locked up. They've been locked up for the last 20-something years. I hear you.
People that was enforcing that they've been in prison for the last 20 25 years Well, that's something that's good that brings us long-windedly to the the actual why we're here, which is part of this rehabilitation We're doing here the new Calaborta model trying to scale this stuff You'll see it physically when that wall comes down and the work we're doing and I don't know if you know the work I've been doing for decades now on reforming the damn system and investing in those all
alternative pathway so we address the substantive problem. - Who from the system that you working with in order for it to not be another lapse? 'Cause it's like every time it's like, yeah, we trying to go and rework the system and change, but do y'all bring people that then come from that shit who actually like, no, this is where that shit changed. This is why we continue to keep running into that same problem. - Marshawn White. - The way when we get here,
What's this warden doing here? Who appoints the wardens? We're going to figure it out. Don't find somebody to help me clean up my building. These guys put in this community. These guys, their ideas come. Like, we build this together, right? It's a community. So when we get them input, we take their ideas and invest. So when they see something done, we work together. That's one thing. Staff and the population, we got more similarities than differences. We all work here together. So then how can y'all get that together in a place like this, but then out in the free world is... Yeah.
Running regular is more structure in in places like this I get it then it is actually yet you feel me though at the house and then it just come to a point where one from my my understand my respect and
When I see somebody come home from doing like 15 or something, when they get back into the, you know what I mean, the new world, they out of touch with everything. You feel what I'm saying? And now because the individuals who've been outside, these little young motherfuckers, they on some other shit.
So when somebody come home and they try to enforce what was, you know what I mean, how we even established this foundation for our neighborhood or what's going on, ain't nobody trying to hear that shit anyway. So it's always a disconnect. But at the end of the day, the same system in which we still have and that is still rocking right now is the same one that we just continue to just go around in circles with. Now, the thing that we ain't talking about is everybody know that this shit is a big business. Oh, there's that too. So, I mean...
Why in the fuck, if I'm getting billions, why the fuck would I want to go change the system that's going to continue to keep feeding my pockets? Now, the problem is you get individuals who got a respectful mind and a decent heart like yourself. And you come in here and you're like, damn, I want to change. And then it's going to come to a point where you're going to be like, well, fuck, I done hit my ceiling with these individuals.
They not letting me get no, because if we do that, it's going to create real change. But that real change is going to hurt somebody real change when it comes to the higher ups and where all this money is going and how all this shit is funneled around though. Because we all had, look, we all like, he say something to it like, you know what? Motherfuckers always talk about what they're doing, how they need to do this and how they need to do that. And that's like,
Motherfucker, I would love to see them. You give them this position and let's see what they'll do. Thank you. But it's hard though. But man, that's crazy. Gavin's been in a position since he was the mayor of San Francisco and I don't know what he was doing before that. He was already gathering his support network. Like he...
he Gavin, right? But he have people that support him. Yeah, for sure. Be able to where he could rely on them to take care of shit that he can't see or do because he got other things. And by him having that support network, it allows him to elevate and elevate for like 2028, right? He's still dealing with what we got going on in California, like on a higher level, that's going, that's going to pan itself out. Hopefully we don't get somebody that that's a dictator in our
He's going to put me in the mix. Why don't you run for mayor of Oakland? You're bitching about what I'm not doing. You should be running, goddammit. Seriously, lease mode 2024. You heard what he said? And Fab is your vice mayor? Yeah, who's your vice mayor? Jesus. Oh,
Oh, God. We're going to go turn this city up. Man, throw me in the office. You talk about you coming to Oakland four times. No, no, just in the last week, asshole. Not in the last goddamn week. I told him I'm there more than you, man. Go down to City Hall and tell him, hey, look, y'all clear. You see I got my big-ass bag outside. Tell him, hey, I got bag with me. We finna take my big-ass bag in.
Oh my God. He's moving in. We can get the bags and we can go. I'm sad about Oakland though, bro. Like, I'm really like, every time I watch the news, my heart just go out to my city, bro. Because Oakland took care of me as a child, for real. Where'd you go to high school out there? I went to Castle Mountain. That's Castle Mountain. On MacArthur. Yeah. I went to all down there, every elementary school in East Oakland because my parents, when they was using drugs,
They drug us all through Oakland, so I went to all the schools. Well, look at the history. Black Panthers, Bill Russell. Yes. I mean, Ricky Henderson, everybody. I mean, it was unbelievable in terms of the history of Oakland. That's why Draymond played and Steph wanted to stay in Oakland. When they started their little legacy with the Golden State Warriors, that energy that we had and developed in the town, that was with them. That's what got them four championships. We just talked to Draymond. Draymond said that when he came to Oakland, he felt home.
Yeah. Because it reminded him of Detroit and Sagal. He was one decision away from not being in Europe like me. Yep. He was one choice away. I made the wrong choice. Draymond made the right choice, and he went and played college for Michigan State. What did you play? I didn't play anything. I was in the streets. I was trying to find me something. What would you have played? I wouldn't have played no sports. Okay. No, I'm more – since I've been incarcerated through rehabilitation, I found that I've got a serious passion.
Mathematics. I love math. I love numbers because numbers don't lie. How long have you been here before? I've been at this institution for five years. What about overall? 26 years. Okay. And when are you getting out? I don't have no idea. No idea. Okay. I should have been going in March, but they said because some confidential information that was put in my C-file, the board determined that I didn't follow the parole board's recommendations, and they told me I got to wait until 2000.
Is it hard to battle through daily not knowing there's no end date? And is your family, is this your family here? Has your family come visit? No, the reason why it's not hard because it's consequences for choices. And I made a decision to take somebody's life. And in California, the consequence for taking somebody's life and being found guilty of murder is spending the rest of your life in prison. So I'm not, I regret what I did. And I understand that it's a possibility I could die in here because I took somebody's life.
So I deal with that in a way according to the law. But however, I am optimistic. I believe that I made the change and the transformation to go back and be a productive member of society. Well, to me, that's what it's all about. And I appreciate you getting involved in mathematics and doing that, man, because I can't imagine being in here. No end date, but you doing what you're doing is big. A lot of these young people that don't have no education, that's trying to get their GEDs and even the ones that's in college, they struggle with math.
yeah math it seemed like it's the most difficult subject and through my rehabilitation i found that i was passionate about doing math when i was a young man and i said you know what reggie i said what did you like to do before you start committing crimes before you start being bad i realized i like doing math and i was like you know what i'm about to hone back in on that and i started uh going to college
I've made it all the way to calculus too. There's been some times where I've been at the only African-American institution that was taking calculus and actually passed. So that's one of the things that I can't... Are you mentoring some of these young kids at St. Ben Math? Whenever they need help, I'm available. And people tell them, like, hey, man, he's pretty good with math. If you need some help, I'm open to help anybody with math. I love math.
It's good, but it's taking advantage of the program. And I'll tell you what, I mean, just back to Marshawn jarring me a little bit. As the guy who ultimately decides whatever the parole board does doesn't matter unless the governor signs off on it.
All that programming you have no idea how determinative that is and how critical that is and you stack that stuff up Because there's so many folks that are wobblers. I'll send back they call us on bonk or we'll just reject If you don't see that programming in there and you get medium to high risk You know those the folks that are being sent back. So what you're doing is
profoundly consequential in terms of stacking that kind of support for yourself long term and then you just got to get through that first hurdle with the role or man do come across the board yeah whatever you got you got a resume I needed to do some healing up in here like I was really hurt like I went through a lot of trauma growing up and open myself I went through right and you
In order for me to change and transform, bruh, I had to heal myself through these self-help groups and having the support network in here, bruh, they help you heal. You're right on time, bruh. If you don't heal yourself, bruh, you ain't going to be no, you can't help nobody. You can't help nobody. That's crazy that you even say that because the last time we just chopped it up with, uh, we should talk about Draymond. We just chopped it up with him and Dog was talking about when he went, uh, tried, what's that shit called, uh,
Therapy? Therapy. Oh, yeah. He went to therapy for the first time and, like, you feel me? It was shit going on that he didn't even know, you know, that was happening with him. And a lot of it is that trauma that you, you feel me, though? You gather while you were a youngster, though. So by even you saying that, because we were just talking about it on the way over here about the...
about like you know when people come into prison coming to jail you know i mean supposed to be an opportunity for you to you know i mean uh rehabilitate rehabilitate yourself right but i'm like man at the end of the day what the y'all will really be going on like
how much help do motherfuckers really get? Like, if it is like some shit that is needed, how do you get that? You feel me? How do you get that in here for when, if motherfuckers do get a date or be able to go ahead and stack the support that you talk about in order for when you go to the parole board, motherfucker look at that and it's,
You ain't just looking at a sheet of, "Oh, well, this motherfucker was in here for murder or robbery," just all the shit. But this is the steps that this individual took in order to rehabilitate itself, in order to get up out of here. But it just look, I don't know. To me, it just seemed like a holding place. Like I was telling you, I come in here, visit my pops and shit. When you talk about, "Are we going to go in here?" Nah, I kind of don't.
Like, you know, I'm trying not to go into jail and you trying to go in the motherfucker and just sit down and chop it up like fuck. But I get it. And I mean, you know, it's really good. You know, I mean, especially for myself to see this. But then, I mean, for you to come around and see what's going on and shit like that.
It's some good shit that you feel me though that you possibly can't do. I just hope that you take the information that you know that they've given and I mean come up with something better. I'm talking about overall like not just here but as far as the whole system. And you the motherfucking president. Why you just change the shit up?
I wish we could just snap our fingers, Warden. You kind of can, though. But the whole idea of San Quentin has become the model rehabilitation prison in the United States of America, and then we spread it throughout the rest of the system. So everything that happens behind that wall, we'll determine that. No bullshit. That's what it is.
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Wow, literally, that's almost verbatim, the shit you were saying about Opal. It's so interesting. But think about it. He hasn't been outside in 26 years. I know, but he feels it nonetheless. But I'm saying it's the same shit. Yeah, yeah. See, I was born in the 80s. He was running around in the 80s. But the fact that the same shit was going, that's why I'm saying, that system shit. No, I get it. You never built that system and whatever it was designed to do,
The keepers fucking shitty or locked up in places like this, they designed a hell of a system. Because think about it, for 20 years, it's still the same shit. I want to get into that conversation because I can give you chapter and verse on that. You do not understand how spot on you are about that. But I will give you some proof points. And I don't think it's just not one system, though.
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