Where To Meet Men IRL, No BS
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I do. Part two is a one of a kind experiment in podcasting and love. Now, if you didn't get love right the first time, which let's be honest, we all know most of us probably don't. Our hosts and our celebrity mentors are here to help you get it right the next time. I'm one of the celebrity mentors today and I'm hosting the show. I'm Bob Guinea. You might know me from The Bachelorette from Trista's season way, way back and The Bachelor from my own season way, way back. I'm a celebrity mentor.

And also now the podcast, almost famous, The OGs, which Trista and I host together. And I know that love is not all roses and helicopters and volcanoes and all sorts of crazy things that happen on the Bachelor franchise.

And sometimes you find your forever person the second time around, right? So today I am joined by two other members of Bachelor Nation. You know my great buddy. I love him to death when he was the star of season 13 of The Bachelor. And we've also got a fan favorite from this season of The Golden Bachelorette. Please welcome Jason Mesnick and Gary Levingston to the podcast. Hey, guys. Hey, Grandpa. Bachelor's here.

I know. I'm telling you, buddy. Well, you know, I do feel like we are going OG status here, too, because Jason, I think you and I might be the oldest bachelors, right? From the actual Bachelor franchise. Well, yeah. See, the first thing that goes is the hearing. I'm telling you. And then Gary, you know, even though you look incredibly young, you just came off of the Golden Bachelorette with Joan. So great to have you guys, man. Thank you for being here. Thanks.

Thanks for having me. It's awesome. Yeah, thanks for having me. So, Gary, real quick, tell me, you know, how are you feeling coming off of the show? I mean, obviously, the show's been a big hit. How have you felt coming off of the show, and how has everyone been responding to you since you've been back home? Well, it's been pretty exciting. You know, I have to tell you, this whole celebrity status thing is far from –

my retirement world that I was a part of, which is a very quiet, peaceful, tranquil thing. And now I go to the market, I go to my local Indian Wells coffee shop and everyone wants to take pictures. So it's pretty amazing, keeping it fun, but also keeping it in perspective. So it's been a lot of fun. Yeah, man.

I think that's probably one of the things, from a personal perspective, and I'm sure Jason will agree, one of the greatest parts about the show is, especially when you've been fortunate enough to be edited well, which I know I was, it's nice the way people respond to you when you're out there and you hear all the nice things and all the great responses. I mean, Jason, I remember you and I being out together in Seattle a couple times, and it was pretty fun. It was really fun. Yeah.

I mean, I'm sure you still get it every day. I mean, you've got your real estate firm that you're running and everything else. And with you and Molly, I mean, it's got to just be so much fun. It's a blast. I mean, obviously, like, you know, when you're on their show, it kind of spikes and everybody's like, hey, selfie this, selfie that. And as the years go by, they're like, did I used to work with you? Did we go to high school together? Yeah, you look like The Bachelor, just a little fatter. You know, it's like, I'm like, I'm big boned. Uh-huh.

That's my line. That's my line. Hey, man, I've often said it, man. I'm like, I think people remember me from Trista's season because I was the only one that didn't have a six-pack, right? I didn't pack my six-pack for that trip. Tell me about this.

Yeah, I'm telling you, buddy. Now, Amy Roback and TJ Holmes are a big part of this show, obviously. TJ made a really great quote on one of the previous episodes that I think really resonates. Let's take a listen. Why can't people just meet people? We see people all the time, but we don't give people that we see on the train or at a restaurant or down. We're looking at our phone when the love of your life might be at the end of the bar.

So true, right? I mean, we all get so caught up in that, especially in today's day and age with smartphones and everything else. I mean, we've all chosen to find love the old-fashioned way, like going on a TV show and handing out flowers, right? But then this newfangled smart app stuff comes out. So, I mean, let's talk about that a little bit. I mean, how was life different

for all of us, obviously prior to our times on the show as well, but back in the day before you had apps. I mean, people will always say to me like, well, did you ever use an app? I'm like, no, I really, I never had because after I came off of the show, I wasn't, I was,

I immediately jumped into a different relationship. Next thing you know, I was dating and then we got married and divorced and, you know, and then Jason, I mean, you went on the show, you come off the show and you obviously had such a, an emotional ending to your season, which changed your whole life. And it was pretty spectacular. And to this day, ranks is one of the favorite moments on the show. And,

You know, what are some of the ways that we used to meet people before the apps? Like, do you guys even remember way back then? You know, it's funny. Like I was thinking about this in the last person that I met, and this is no joke, is in a parking garage.

I just remember like, I think back in my younger days, like I would have been so intimidated and this has nothing to do with the bachelor. I was nervous. We're all nervous about rejection. And maybe that's why people are quiet. You know, if they're sitting on a train or a bus or whatever. But I remember like at one point I was like, screw this. And I saw a cute girl in a parking garage and I was like, Hey,

I know this is awkward and it could come off a little bit creepy, but like, would you like to grab a cup of coffee? And I think that was the last time before, you know, I think you almost have to put yourself in a position where you're like, it's almost like, like I'm in sales, right? Like you gotta put a lot of feelers out there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, like, you know, they always say, what, 10 no's for every yes type of thing. Yeah, I get it. That's the life of your world in sales. Absolutely. Right, totally. How many doors are we going to knock on before the one finally opens and let me in? Well, Gary, what about you? I mean, you know, obviously, you know, the whole concept of the Golden Bachelorette and the Golden Bachelor is...

People who have come on who, you know, are looking for that second chance at love. And, you know, before you did it now, which is probably now considered one of the old-fashioned ways, which is handing out flowers on TV or taking a flower. You know, how did you meet people? How did you find, how did you kind of search for that special someone?

Well, you know, back in my day, it was a disco era, right? So everybody was out at the club dancing. And before the night was over, obviously, you were leaving with someone that could have potentially been your girlfriend and ultimately someone that you dated for a while. So, yeah, it was completely different going out, dancing the night away and meeting someone, you know, in that way as opposed to online like Match.com or these other dating sites. So, yeah, completely different world.

Well, I will say this. I mean, you know, I hear some stories of success from the online stuff and all that from friends and everything. But I also hear a lot of stories of that not working because people are just swiping. And, you know, it's almost become like a hookup app and less of an actual dating app to a certain degree. You know, my wife, it's actually kind of crazy. Post-Bachelor, I had kind of decided, you know what, I'm not going to get married again.

I'm good because I got married before The Bachelor. I'm like, I'm not going to get married again. I'm actually really enjoying being in the situation I'm in, which was just being single, being honest and dating, but at the same time not having that pressure. But as I got older, I realized, man, I really wanted to have a family. And I feel like this has become the old-fashioned way, which was my co-host. At the time, I had a radio show, a daily radio show, and my co-host's really good friend

I met her and ended up marrying her. So I got to know her through friends, socially hanging out, you know, then you'd be in certain situations and, you know, you'd all be together and it was kind of natural and fun and organic. Um,

You know, Gary, I know you've got children. Were you married previously or what's your story? Yeah, married for 17 years. And you're right. You go through this thing of I want to have a wife. I want to raise the kids and the two dogs in the suburbs, you know, going to and from work. And you build this great life around that. And then you find that you've actually taken separate roads with where you are once the kids leave the house.

And then ultimately going back to I'm lonely. I would love to have companionship. I do want to be married because I believe in the institution of marriage. And that's where I'm at now. You know, I'm searching again for a companionship, a partner and someone that I can walk on those paths.

global sandy beaches with not by myself, but with someone that I actually am in love with and who loves me as well. So. Absolutely. Hey, Jason, you know, I don't think I ever asked you and I hope you don't mind me asking, but, you know, before, obviously I think the world knows, you know, how you met Molly and we'll definitely touch on that, but you were married prior to the show, as was I, how, how did you meet your ex-wife? You know, like I think about that all the time. My, my,

my ex, you know, I met her working at like Bennigan's as a bartender in college, you know, like how did you meet your ex and how did you guys end up getting together? Yeah. I mean, you're exactly right. I think like, I guess if I think about it, if I was single right now, I would absolutely do everything right. It'd be in person, online, whatever. But again, like this is before texting, right? Like, you know, when the phones were just to call people. So my best friend from growing up, he was a bartender at a restaurant and my ex-wife worked at the restaurant.

Yeah. And you go there, you know, you go there and I'd hang out because I was single. I'd go hang out at the bar, you know, even with friends or even by myself. And while you're there, you just meet people organically. And I think it kind of goes back to just being open. And I know it's scary, like putting yourself in positions where you normally wouldn't want to be. But like if you if you

Put yourself in those positions where you're a little uncomfortable. What's that? What's that saying? Get comfortable being uncomfortable. I think if you do that kind of stuff, like you just open yourself up to meeting so many different people. Yeah. Oh, that's so true. You got to put it out there and you got to be willing to get hurt. Yeah. And then, you know, kind of like me when I, when I met Canyon, um,

I wasn't looking anymore. I was like, I'm good. You know, I'm totally fine. And then we ended up getting together and, you know, 10 years later, we got a couple of kids and it's like, you know, this whole different world. But yeah. And Jason, tell us, you know, remind our listeners about your and Molly's story. I mean, I know it's something you've talked about ad nauseum, but I love it. Oh, gosh. Well, I mean, so I did The Bachelorette first, The Bachelorette

a bachelor at four. Her name was Deanna Pappas and she was awesome. She picked another guy on the show and then they asked me to be the bachelor. And so fast forward to it. And I honestly think they were looking for this like single dad story. And so they picked me and my son at the time was three and now he's in freaking college. I mean, isn't that amazing? Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. We're going to parents weekend at his fraternity this weekend. Oh my gosh. College man. That's full grown man. Oh God. Yeah.

But, you know, the show for me, it was it was super fun to learn how they made a reality show and go through that whole process. But like at the end of it, I picked somebody else.

uh, her name was Melissa and she was awesome. And we dated for about a month and a half after the show. And through that whole process, her and I kind of realized that we weren't going to make it long-term. So I called up and asked the producers, this is before the show even aired. Like, so we already filmed everything. And I called up and told the producers, I'm like, it just didn't work out between, uh,

Melissa and I could have a chance with Molly. And they basically had said, you can have the shot, but just realize we've already asked her to be the bachelorette next year. If you're going to ask her, you got to ask her on TV because we need some serious reactions. Oh my gosh. Oh,

And so it all worked out, right? It all worked out. I'm still wondering why she chose me over the Bachelorette, but that's a whole nother episode probably. But we have good looking guy. You seem like a great guy. That's why she chose. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I guess, you know, you kind of go back to Molly. Molly's got those good, you know, good Midwestern roots, Midwestern roots, buddy. Yep. And she was not willing to go back and do that. And she was willing to take a shot at, you know, this, this Seattle guy. Whereabouts are you located, Gary?

I'm in Southern California, the sunshine state of the union here. Absolutely. And currently in Palm Desert from Los Angeles. So the big city. And then finally retired out here in Palm Desert. So it's been great over the past nine, ten years that I've been here.

Yeah, I used to, I lived in Studio City for 10 years and loved it. And then, you know, I mean, but that's one thing that you have as an advantage, right? Like, like Jason has been in Seattle forever. I lived in Seattle for a little while too. And now I'm back in Michigan. We don't, we, you know, we've got a concentrated set of months where we can be out, you know, as single people, you know, working the circuit, so to speak. You got 12 months, you got 12 months a year. You could be working that angle, can't you? Yeah.

Yeah, not only 12 months, but, you know, for me, athletics and sports is a big thing. So we have our L.A. Dodgers. I'm a Trojan alum. They got the Trojans football games. We have the Laker games. Those sporting events are also some great places to go and play.

and find folks as well. So, you know, yeah. And it's year round. It really is. What about, what about if you're in Palm Springs, what about like the golfing world? Like, I feel like that's such a, such a things that thing that people do down there. It is. And golfing is one of the top things. We've got some of the best courses in the world, but you know, once you get out on the course, you,

You don't see anybody for hours. So it's not like it's a real social environment as opposed to the foursome that you're playing in. And then we also have the big BNP tennis tournament, the BNP, which is another event. So, you know, those are fun things. But yeah, golfing is once you're out there, you're out there.

Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. You've got four, four hours and I feel so much guilt because I'm, you know, I'm 53. I got a five-year-old and a three-year-old and I love to play golf. And, you know, anytime I get a chance to do it, everyone's like, well, let's go out on Sunday. I'm like, no, no, we're not doing that. That's family day. Yeah. How about, how about Thursday afternoon? No, picking up junior from school, you know? So yeah. Yeah. I got sports, man.

But, you know, we actually have a caller who's going to ask us a question. And this is really going to put our knowledge to the test, guys. We're going to see if we can't help out our listener.

Audrey! Good morning, gentlemen. Hi, Audrey. Thanks so much for calling. Thank you, guys. So, Audrey, you've got a panel of Bachelor Nation experts here. I know. We've got, you know, 22 years ago for the show for me. How many years ago for Jason? 15? Yep. 15 ago. And, of course, fresh. And, of course, fresh.

And hot off the griddle, we got Gary from John Season of The Golden Bachelorette. Thanks, thanks. And you've got different generational takes too, right? So you've got Gary. I hope you don't mind me saying this, but Gary's in his 60s.

I'm in my 50s. Me too, buddy. And Jason's in his 40s. So we got the gamut covered. And I know never to ask a lady her age. So I will just say that we know that you are in your 20s and you're looking for ways to ask us a question. So go ahead and give it to us. So I am 64.

I was married for 25 years. You look great, by the way. Absolutely. Oh, thank you. I was married for 25 years and then had two, I have two adult children. So now I'm a grandmother, Gigi of three. And I set myself up for being able to retire early and watch my grandchildren. Well, in the meantime, from my divorce, I've been divorced for 21 years.

And I've been engaged three times. Yeah. So I just say I've dodged a bullet three times. But now I'm at the part in my life where it's like I could be so happy just being by myself. And I'm self-supporting. I'm debt free. I'm loving my retirement home here in Jacksonville, Oregon, which is a little historic town.

And that's where it comes to the big question. Where do you meet men when you're

you know, you're in your sixties like Gary and you know, we dated differently and who we were looking for back in our early years, isn't who we're looking for for the second half of our life. Yeah. Right. And, and it's, you know, I've done the dating app thing when I was newly divorced, but that was a long time ago and I'm not really someone that goes to bars. So, um,

That is the big question. Where do you meet men? Yeah. If I could jump in, because we're from that same era where –

You know, back when we were coming through the pipeline, so to speak, it was all about going to the nightclub or going to the disco or going to something like that where we were dancing and the entertainment was happening. And now, like you said, that you've got grandkids and you're so used to that little world that you are part of it. I don't mean little as in small or tiny. It's just we create the bubble that we are now part of.

The ironic thing is, from my perspective, you're still out there having fun doing something. You go in Jacksonville to your kids and your grand, their events like at the soccer games or. Yes. Are there any professional sports or are there any sports like high school games or anything like that?

Yes. So basically, I'm in Southern Oregon, you know, just incorporate that 30 miles from California. So, I mean, it is a bigger, you know, the valley. And they do have, there's a lot to do here because, you know, where it's located. Yeah. I think the thing is, is though, is when you go to certain things, you

Men don't seem to be as easily to approach women. You know, I don't know if it's like they are afraid of the failure or they're going to get rejection or what. I mean, I don't wear a wedding ring. You know, I'm pretty open and can carry a conversation with anybody. Yeah.

I'll tell you what, Audrey, thank you so much for calling and thank you for your question. And thank you for being so open and vulnerable and putting yourself out there. You know, I think we're going to dig into this a little bit and we're going to get you some answers. So thank you again for joining us. Thank you for your questions. So have a wonderful day. Now, guys, we got to dive into this. Now, we got to give the listeners what they want. Audrey is obviously asking us a very direct question, which I love.

And it's actually the number one question that our listeners want to know the answers to. Okay. So I think that's pretty spectacular and great follow-up question to Gary. I think, you know, some of the things that we know about Audrey in particular, right? She's 64 years old, obviously looks very youthful, you know, still active and everything else. Um, you know, uh,

two adult children, a grandmother, a Gigi of three, which is adorable by the way. And I think, I think I need to tell my mom, she needs to start calling herself Gigi instead of grandma. But you know, it's like everything she said kind of resonated with me a little bit because it literally is what Joan is.

I mean, and Gary, you're closer to this than anybody, but Joan had basically said, you know, I didn't think I was all of a sudden going to feel invisible. And I do. And, you know, I didn't hear Audrey say that necessarily, but it is kind of one of those things where, you know, so what is she supposed to do? Shut off that part of her life now and just be a grandma, be a dedicated babysitter to people. You know, it's like, you know, my mom's going through it right now. My mom's 78. She's older. But, you know, yeah.

There's not as much of a drive to be, my mom's not ready to be a grandma sitting around knitting all the time, you know, and just being at my beck and call for babysitting services. But she's also, you know, my father passed away a few years ago and all of a sudden she's sort of in this place where she's like, she's not out there looking for the next love of her life necessarily. She's just out there looking for someone to hang out with. And I think one of the things that Audie said, companionship, you said it, Gary. Yeah.

Audrey basically said it. She's like, you know, she's been engaged three times, but dodged a bullet three times. And, you know, sometimes I think you go down that path because that's what you're supposed to do, not maybe what you want to do. And I mean, what do you guys think about that? What do you think? What do you think, Gary? What do you think, Jason? Companionship at our age is extremely important because we don't want to go to the movies alone.

Something as simple as going to the movies. Something as simple as going out to dinner or going to watch a film on Netflix film at home, eating popcorn. You know, companionship is so very important because I think it adds a whole nother flavor to the relationship of I don't have to be alone. Even though you might be in that in-between stage of losing

losing someone but also still in need of the companionship the the relationship in that way not necessarily having to be married even though it'd be nice because then you could start planning trips to go on trips together and that fun stuff so the companionship thing is really super important going to someone's birthday party and having you know folks over for a

It's critical and you don't want to show up alone. Especially when everybody else is coupled up. It's crazy. I think back whether Bachelor or not, when you're younger, whether you're at the disco or I'd go to the bars, you're looking for who you're attracted to. I think about people would ask me all the time, did you know who you're going to pick right away on The Bachelor? You're like, well, you know who you're attracted to and that's obvious. Even in my

Early 30s, that's what I was thinking. But I think as you get even me, like in my late 40s, 50s or 60s, I think... I'm just curious. It changes where more important, like the attraction is important, but I feel like what's even more important is like having common interests. Yeah. Right? I totally agree with that. Absolutely. Whether it's movies or...

some hobby or cooking or golf or tennis, whatever it is. I wonder if it's possible to break down those barriers and just find groups of people and take out, and I'm not saying completely eliminate the attraction piece because I know how important that is, but way heavier in saying like, I think if we all went back and said, how would I date differently? It's like, how important are those common interests? Where so you're not just like...

like sitting on the opposite ends of the couch, not talking or sitting on your phone, sitting there engaging, talking about something that's important. Like putting yourself in a position where you're really going to find somebody that has those interests. So if it is dancing, like I do remember, like actually one of the last things I did before

I wanted to learn how to dance. And before I went on The Bachelor, I took some salsa lessons. Right. And I'm a terrible frickin dancer. Right. But I did put myself in a position. I didn't meet any girls that I would date, but I had an awesome time. I look forward to going to it every week.

Yeah. Well, I was going to say that too. You know, one of the things I say to my mom all the time, and I think even though Audrey's much younger, I would think that I would want to say this to Audrey too if I had a chance to talk with her about, you know, some of this stuff in a little more detail. And Gary, I love your input here too. But, you know, it's like you got to put yourself in the position to meet these people. And, you know, the only way you're going to do that is by getting out of the house and

And by, you know, and it can't just be at, you know, at children's sporting events and things of that nature. Like you've really got to put yourself into the mix where it's like, okay, you know, and it does, and you don't have to hang out with just single girlfriends, right? You can go out with your girlfriends that are married or, or, or whatever. And you can basically say, you know, Hey, let's go out tonight. Let's go to the restaurant or let's go to the bar or let's go this, let's go that. And, you know, it doesn't mean you're a drinker.

but you can still go to a restaurant and have dinner with your friends and then hang out in the lounge area and relax. Or, you know, I mean, man, in Oregon, you know, there's so many great places where people go in the summertime, like summer in Oregon is so beautiful. The Pacific Northwest is amazing. You know, go to Seattle for the weekend. You could do a whole bunch of things. I mean, Jason, Jason, you could probably give her a list of things I do in Oregon that would just blow her mind. And so, you know, to that end, you know, ladies grab your pens because we're going to get into this. I think I'd love to see if we could give,

a list of some places and not just huge generalities, although that's okay as well, but, you know, really kind of dig into it a little bit and think of some places to go that you might meet people that are around your age,

They don't have to be the same age, but around your age range and maybe with some similar interests. You know, like, for example, I mean, she was talking about she's in Jacksonville, Oregon. She's in Southern Oregon right out, you know, right near California. Right. So we know that there's great weather, beautiful coastlines.

I mean, you know, there's so much to do out where you guys are at. And, you know, what are some things specifically that we could tell her? You know, I think of like there's some great hotels in Portland, right?

that have really cool lounges. And they're not necessarily places that people go to get hammered and, you know, get carried out of there. They're the places that people go for the architecture and they sit around and they're taking in the vibes of the places. And, you know, anything like Jason's Pacific Northwest specifically, what are a few things you've done? This just occurred to me yesterday. This place overlaps so many different things, right? So we were at the Fairmont Hotel last night.

And this, what I mean, it goes so many. So when we filmed the bachelor back in the day, all the girls stayed at the Fairmont hotel. Right. And yesterday Molly was like, I would totally come out. Like, it's kind of this old school vibe. And even though she would go sit there and hang out, every major town has a Fairmont, which has got this old classic feeling. Even if you're not drinking, you can sit there and enjoy the atmosphere. But on top of that, so that's like,

one place I think that you can go in any any given city but there's also a really cool like if she ever came to Seattle there's a cool little restaurant right on the lake called Como here in Kirkland I don't know yeah yeah so Como awesome like in the summertime it's like right on the water boats are there like you're sitting out on the deck and and again like when I've been there it's always been with a group of people right and the people have ranged in ages from like

30 to 60, right? And you just have a good time. And again, like I understand, like there's a lot of people that don't drink, but I think putting yourself in an atmosphere and not being afraid, even if you don't drink, I have a lot of friends who don't drink. You can meet people in a cool place. Yeah. And then also, you know, Kirkland in particular is such an awesome area in the greater Seattle area. And I love that you live. I mean, you know, I was in Sammamish on the East side and I would always end up in Kirkland to see everybody because it was such a fun vibe. You can find those places anywhere you live and,

that have kind of a fun atmosphere and energy and people are out and about. And it's like, you know, maybe it's ped malls or whatever it is. So everyone's walking around and interacting and engaging. I mean, you know, we have them here in Michigan and it, you know, it's my favorite place to go. Cause it kind of brings that energy of the people out and,

And, you know, you can be a social butterfly in those situations. You can say hi to everybody. You can, you know, and like she, like, I think one of the things Audrey said that kind of resonated with me was she's like, I don't wear a wedding ring. I talk to everyone, you know, and it's, she's open and fun. And it'd be like, you know, just find, find your tribe, you know, find some people that you can go out with and you feel really comfortable with. Have a great time with those people. Sure.

And because if you're out looking nine times out of 10, it's not going to happen. I firmly believe that. Have some of the people you're with and people will approach you. Like Jason did, you know, that, that, that not that it was like, you're in a, you're in a parking structure, but you're like, I need to meet that person. You know what it's like? I know how that goes. I hear the parking structure. I think I ruined parking, parking garages for everybody. But listen guys. Okay. So here in California, right. And where she is at and in particular,

Outdoor concerts, a fun place to go, and entertainment is happening. The other big thing now is also pickleball, where there's lots of people gathered. It's not as much strenuous activities going on, but pickleball is another arena or set of places that people go to for entertainment.

I love that idea. Pickleball team is awesome. Yeah, totally. I do too. You mentioned sporting events too, Gary, like Portland Timbers right there in Portland. Right, yeah. I'm not sure how far Jacksonville is from Portland, but I'm not saying she has to relocate necessarily. But there's always...

There's minor league baseball teams. There's always stuff going on in different areas. Now, okay, we've also got some, let's talk about some specific places, okay? So we've got some spots here and I can tell you that a few of these places, and I will let you know when, that I have actually met people at, you know, prior, of course, to being married.

You know, one play, and you guys can let me know what you think. If you've been to these or if you know of these, you know, destination travel spots that maybe she would go with a couple girlfriends and just sort of, again, having a great time with her group and it resonates, right? For example, the Pebble Beach Pro-Am, we were talking about golf, right? Now, granted, you're on the golf course for four hours, but when you're walking the golf course, watching the pros, it's a totally different vibe, right? You got cocktails, you got places you can stop and get food. Totally, totally. Right?

What do you guys think of that? I think that's a great idea. And what a wonderful thing, you know, and people are more approachable and they're friendlier and they're in this outdoor environment where it brings on the conversation piece or who are you following or you can engage a lot easier. What a great thought and great suggestion. I agree. It's actually interesting because like, you know, you're in a place also where if you do like, you might be there because you do like golf.

If you play golf, you're meeting somebody who also has some common interest and you know that that's something you might have to do with that person. Right. Absolutely. Well, ladies, write this down. That's January 27th through February 2nd. Right. Who knows? Gary might even be there walking around. I'm going with Gary. I'm going with Gary too. I think that's going to be fun.

All right. So if it's still, you know, it's this year, you want to get out before the holidays, right? One thing I always love, you go right downtown. It was one of my favorite things to do in the holidays. And when I used to work for the Today Show all the time, I used to love doing it, but they'd always bring me out and I'd be right downtown, right in Times Square or right down by Rockefeller Plaza, you know, and it's right there at Christmas time where Christmas is vibing in Manhattan. You know, that's amazing. That usually starts right after Thanksgiving and goes all the way through the first week of January. Art,

Basel in Miami, right? That's, what's that? That's December 6th through the 8th. I mean, that's something that, I mean, you talk about people, everyone I know who's gone to that and I have not.

But everyone I know who's gone to it, my wife's gone to it. She says it's amazing. The vibe is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right in Miami, you know, as a curve ball, like you go to the Kentucky Derby every year, don't you? I do. I do. And is that like, I mean, I know it's, it's packed and it's maybe it's a bucket list for some people, but how, like how fun would that be to meet somebody at an event like that? I will, I will tell you, I have, and they, you know, it's true. Like, yeah, the Derby first Saturday in May every year, I've gone now for 20 years and,

And when my ex-wife and I split up, it was post-bachelor, right? And it was before I had met Tanya, my wife, Jessica. And I was there, I went two years by myself. And I met someone one year when I was down there who, you know, he just graduated from, you know, UK. And we hung out, had a great time, met all of our friends and family. They met all my friends and family. And we ended up, I ended up working down in Louisville a few times after that.

And it was awesome. And it was really, again, super organic. I was with my friends, not looking for anything. Somebody thinks it's fun. We're having such a great time. You guys are having a great time over there. I'm like, yeah, come on and join us. That kind of organic vibe. And we all know exactly what I'm talking about because we've all had that happen, right? Totally, totally. Yeah. You guys are doing that. And I'm usually following...

the college scene, the college football scene, right? So another place where you're tailgating and you're inviting folks in. The beauty of this that you're suggesting

that it can become an annual thing. Oh, this is where we met and you continue going to that location. And how special would that be to say, yeah, this is where we met. We go every year and what a great place to go and meet some folks. But yeah, great, great, great suggestions. I love that tailgating thing. I remember we were at, this is even though like I wasn't looking to meet people, but we were in Green Bay for a Seahawks game. Yeah. And the amount of people that were just like everybody at every tailgate was just like, come on.

in and have a bra or have a beer or whatever it is. Like if you find a, like an, like maybe it's the Midwest, right? Like going to a tailgate in the Midwest where people are that welcoming. You don't meet a stranger, you know? So listen to this guys. So last year, Detroit lions make it to the NFC championship game. Lions have been my team forever, you know, and we had some lean years here.

And I go to San Francisco for the game with one of my buddies who's a big 49ers fan. And I had always heard that, you know, San Francisco fans are tough. You know, like they don't like outsiders the whole bit. And I'm all decked in my Lions gear, you know, and he's in his 49ers gear. And we were having such a great time that everywhere we went, the 49ers fans were like, hey, come

on, man. And they were amazing because of the good time my buddy and I were having. And they were in literally that energy. So it doesn't even have to be, you know, it could be like just people wanting to meet more fun people or whatever it might be. But it was like, you know, Hey man, if it wasn't us going to, you know, it wasn't the 49ers, we'd want it to be the lions, you know? And it was like this kind of really cool copacetic vibe. And I know, you know, Jason's from Seattle and Seattle and San Francisco notoriously don't get along, but you know, for the record, that's the football teams only. Cause I mean, Jason gets along with everybody.

Well, trust me like this, this year, you know, Molly's from Michigan too. Like, yes, I've never seen her love football more than this year. I love it.

I love it. Well, tell her we're all going to the Super Bowl together, buddy. All together. But yeah, those are some great spots. Yeah, don't underestimate the college scene as well. And I'm more of a college sports fan. I love the pros, don't get me wrong. We have so many activities associated with the pros. But at the collegiate level, there's also a very long and illustrious history of alumni, right?

as well as the current student base and friends that come in, it is a fabulous experience to, to do the college thing as well. I'm not sure if she has a university in her area up there, but what another great venue for her to go and say, Hey, you know, um,

This is where there's a great place to meet folks. I love the alumni thing. Cause you have something that you're, you're bonded right away. Totally. Totally. Great idea. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I love, I love the idea too. You know, and one of the great things about civic Northwest and you said it best, Gary, you know,

is the outdoor, the outdoor concert scene. And a lot of it is like really cool with the wineries, right? Like Jason, remember like, what is that one that, oh my God, they give the best concerts out, out near St. Michelle. Yeah. St. Michelle, Sheryl Crow, all these different people. And it's more of a vibe, like you're like,

Like, yes, there is a concert and yes, people are watching it, but there's also more of the vibe around the concert where everyone's got wine tastings going on. And it's just a really chill, almost like a coffee shop concert setting in a major concert venue, you know? Yeah. And those are really fun. It's, it's age appropriate. It's like, you know, I think that's one of the things, and I've said this many a times and Jason, I'm sure you probably agree with this, but one of the things I really love about how the golden bachelor has been casted is

was because they could have been, for lack of better words, a SHIT show, right? - Oh, totally. - They could have done this as a publicity stunt and had like, we're gonna throw in three Chippendale guys and whatever. - They really were blessed with getting the group of guys that were cast for the show

And it made such a difference because of the illustrious history that we all have, but the way we all bonded as a fraternity. So yeah, it was, it was a true victory. Yeah. Yeah. And it was all, there wasn't any stunt casting. It was just good dudes, you know? And it's like, I think about that from when I was on Trista's season of The Bachelorette. And then, you know, after that, I went on to be The Bachelor guy, but it was like that group of guys, we were genuinely friends. Like, I remember thinking to myself, like, man, I,

you know, I, when I, when I knew it wasn't going to be me and everything else, I was like, you know, I really feel like, and I, and I mean, true. He was, he was like my bunk mate in the mansion. I was like, I really want Ryan to be the guy, you know, like he's in love. Like he really, it's like, yeah, you're rooting for each other. You're not. And I remember saying that the first night, cause I was the older guy. Even then I remember saying, I'm like, guys, it doesn't matter if we like each other or not as to who she's going to like. So we might as well make it easy on ourselves and just get along and

Yeah, it's funny. Like with the Golden Bachelorette, it really seems like they went back to the roots because like even when I was on it, you know, a few years after you, it was still sort of like that. But I think then it went to like the Bachelor and Bachelorette went to it like like somehow it followed their Kardashian world or the whatever the drama. I think the Golden Bachelor and Bachelorette really went back to some of the roots. And that's why people love it so much.

It was like a reset button for the whole franchise. And hopefully it carries over, you know, a few more places to talk about a U S open tennis tournament. These are places you can go to in different areas geographically, or you can make, like you guys said, like Daytona, Daytona 500 every year. Yeah.

Indy 500. You know, there's places that have these annual events. The BNP Tennis Tournament down here in Indian Wells. That's scary. I like it. But you know what's funny? You don't even have to go to the actual event, right? Sometimes it's the parties around the event that are just like, I went to the Masters. I went to the Masters a few years ago. I never even made it on the course. I walked around all the places around it and had the time of my life, you know, with some of the greatest people. So, yeah, I love it, man. I love it. Great ideas. I think great advice. Yeah.

Um, you know, I travel a ton. I've probably met people in the Delta lounge more than I even care to mention. Yeah. Even today. I mean, I'll, I'll literally walk out of there. My wife will go, do you ever meet a stranger? I'm like, Oh, you know, no, I guess I don't, you know, I love people and I love getting a chance to talk to them. And, you know, um, like you said, everybody's got sport sports teams around them, even if it's a little bit of a drive, a destination for the night, you know, she's obviously comfortable. She doesn't need, um,

She doesn't need a man. She just wants to meet someone. The companionship. The companionship. That's a great thing. Just like I talked about. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I agree. Such beautiful. I think those are all just great ideas, man. I love it. When I used to live in L.A., and this was something that was, you know, it's very common in L.A. Gary, you could attest, but, man, I was at the dog park every day. I was at Runyon Canyon every day. What a great spot. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. And I would meet people literally every day. And it would be like, you know, just because you're passing them twice on this trail. Hey, how you doing? You know, then about a second time. I see you here every day. What's your story? What do you do? Where do you work? There you go. Exactly. Always. Yeah, I loved it. But it's that kind of a vibe, I think. As long as you're not, you know, as long as you're not feeling the pressure of looking for something. Yeah. You're going to find someone you connect with in some way, shape or form. Yeah, absolutely.

And pushing yourself to do like an interest that you have. Right. So we all like something, whatever, like putting yourself in a position where you're doing that consistently enough where you're going to meet people. Absolutely. Agreed. Well, we talked about all the hotspots where you can meet somebody. Let's let's throw out a couple that are probably good to avoid. Yeah.

So, you know, I mean, I don't know. I guess some of the first things that pop up on my mind and, you know, I'm thinking more along the lines from what Audrey had said. You know, she's like, I'm not the type of person that goes out to a bar, you know. But I think, you know, I think what's interesting about that is

There's not always, it doesn't have to be a negative connotation about a place that serves alcoholic beverages, right? You can go to a restaurant that has a bar. You can go to a hotel that has a bar and you can sit in the lounge area and drink a Sprite all night. You know, it's like, you know, we've, we talked about that, right? There's great outdoor venues that you can go hang out at where other people might be drinking. Doesn't mean you have to.

Where else? Where else would be a bad place to meet somebody?

And unfortunately, you know, it's like a pickup place for these young kids. And you're like, I'm way too, I shouldn't be here. This is not what I expect. It's not what I want. It's not what I'm looking for. So the age appropriate bars, I think, make a big difference as well. Someplace you want to avoid going to a younger hipster kind of place versus someplace else where you can engage in conversation.

Yeah. And I would wonder too, like for a place for, if women are looking like a place where they just feel unsafe. Yeah. Right. Sure. Cause that's something that I don't know if a lot of guys can really identify with, but like unsafe might be like, you might go to somewhere for coffee during the day, but if you went to that same, same area at night, you might feel a little bit unsafe. But then I would argue my, on the flip side, like what if you went there with a friend? Yeah. Like,

Find a place that you're comfortable with, even if you feel uncomfortable, but you really want to go there, open it up and bring somebody with you. So you do feel safe. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think one of the things you're saying too is like, I got, I hope this isn't an inappropriate term, but I remember people saying, oh yeah, it's like a meat market down there or whatever. You know, you don't want to go to a place where you feel like you're on display. Right. And you're like walking through and everybody's sizing you up or something like that. Wouldn't be fun. I mean,

Another place, probably not a great place to meet people, the gym, right? Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Like you go to the gym, if I go to the gym, which we can tell doesn't happen often, but if I go to the gym, I'm literally there for a purpose, right? I'm there to get, to break a sweat, get in, get out, probably, you know, don't, don't, you know, I'm not at my finest, you know, I probably didn't spend a couple hours getting ready to go into the gym. Um,

I would imagine most women aren't going to the gym to meet guys. And so... And it's an interesting point you make because the few times that I've been to my gym now, people are approaching me and it's like, oh my God, they're scary and that kind of thing. But I'm trying to get in my workout and it's a disruption. So yeah, that's not obviously a good place you want to meet someone. Yeah. Yeah. No way. I think you're right. Yeah.

All right. Now I'm going to throw out a couple of places. You guys give me your immediate gut reaction. Okay. Whether or not it might be a good place for Audrey or for anyone to meet someone. First one we're going to start with, let's say farmer's market. Heck yeah, Seattle. I was thinking of Seattle right away. Yeah. I was also thinking of LA, downtown Sherman Oaks. They have this awesome farmer's market that people would go and they'd walk their dogs and they'd walk around. Yeah, I agree. Great one. Yeah.

How about an auto show or a boat show? Let's say, well, I mean, that's where I think like, if you have that hot, like if you, if you are passionate about cars or boats or whatever, it might be a super interesting place to go because I don't think most people are going there just to meet people. They're going there. Cause it's, it's their common interest.

Right. Like I love boats. I want to go look at boats or I love cars. I feel like for whatever reason, I feel like that's, that sometimes lends itself to a more of a couple's activity or a guy's activity. Yeah. I don't know what that's about. That might be sexist for me to say that, but like, I always think of like the auto shows when I used to have to work them back before the bachelor stuff and everything. And I remember it'd be like just a ton of dudes rolling through there, you know? Yeah. And if there was a woman, she was typically with someone, you know? Right. Yeah.

How about representing one of the autos that were? Yeah, exactly. Or they have like a Chrysler pin on their shirt. What about like, let's think about like, you know, because a lot of times people say that being in an adrenaline activity, like river rafting or zip lining or, you know,

running or biking that that gets your endorphins going. And, you know, what do you guys think of that kind of stuff? Like an adrenaline related activity. Does that ever, that'd be pretty cool. Like I used to do triathlons, right? Sprint triathlons, not the Ironman or anything like that, but it's a great place to go and meet people that enjoy those outdoorsy kinds of things. So yeah, I think that'd be a great suggestion. Well, and especially like for, for her in Oregon, like even going, right. Like you're going to get your heartbeat up a little bit and you're going to see the same people on the same trail. Yeah. Yeah.

I do too. I think the hiking, I think anything where you're outdoors, like you said, Jason, feeling safe, you know, and maybe doing it with people that are, I don't know, not, you know, again, I mean, I can only speak from my own experience, but it's like, I feel like going in those situations when you're not...

looking for it. Like when you basically said, you know what, I'm just going to go have fun with my friends. I'm not going to try and, you know, common interest. Yeah. Common interest. I'm with people I love. I feel comfortable and safe and we're enjoying, you know, uh, what's the crab, uh, Jason, that's so famous in Seattle. The, um,

Oh, my God. A Dungeness crab. Oh, the crab you eat. I'm like, yeah. He threw me a little too on that, Jason. Yeah. I'm going to go because I love the crab. I love the crab cakes here. Or I love, you know, like you mentioned the Fairmont. Like, I love that little bar lounge area in the back of that first level when you go upstairs up the street level. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I love that place. And then now they did the library kind of speakeasy thing on the other side. I mean, you talk about great. When you said that, I was like, oh, my God, I forgot how much I love that place. And I wouldn't have remembered again. I was there just yesterday. When Molly walked in right away, she was like, oh, my God, I love this place. I forgot how much I love coming here. And it's great for all ages. It really is. And that whole area, I love. I love downtown Seattle. It's still to this day one of my favorite downtown areas ever.

ever that I've visited. And, and especially when I got to live there for four years, it was like a dream, you know, it's just like every day I'd go down there and just be like, ah, smell the fresh air and the whole thing. You know, so let's, let's, let's transition a little bit here. I think we've got some great stuff. We've covered some great information. Hopefully Audrey will feel like, you know, we've, we've given her some good ideas and inspired her a little bit, but let's transition a little bit back into, of course, this season of the golden bachelorette, because we do have, of course, Gary with us, who is,

just living legend status coming off of that show, buddy. Uh,

You know, you were so fun to watch. Like you mentioned, too, the whole cast has been so fun to watch. And I loved. Yeah. I really loved the casting on Gary's season last year. And then, of course, now on Joan's season this year. You know, with all that, like it's coming down to the wire. Right. I think you're probably pretty close with all the guys that are still left standing. Oh, big time. Yes. And this is not a spoiler alert. Right. Well, we'll put it out there. No spoiler alerts here. But just your personal gut feeling. You know, how are you seeing this season play out?

Well, it's interesting because I know that there is a true emotional connection, or at least there was with Chalk and Joan when his mom passed away, which was very touching for all of us. There was an emotional connection that they both had for some odd reason or another.

But then as I'm reading more into it, Guy is the other person I think that would probably be a good fit for her who is a fun-loving, outgoing person that would match up well as well. So between Chalk and Guy is who I'm putting my bets on. And is that only because you didn't like Pascal's choice of evening attire? No, no.

No, I think Pascal's a great guy and we are good friends with each other. I just think that he's got a very busy life, you know, with his hair studio and the hair salon and all the things associated with that. Guy and Chalk on the other side of that are people that, or men that are

um, looking for love. They're looking for love. Not that Pascal isn't, he just leads a much busier lifestyle than the other two guys. It sounds like somebody would really, she'd really have to fit into his life. Yeah. Right. Right. As opposed to them both merging together. Um,

And that's again, why I think guy, because he's a series and ER surgeon, he would move to Maryland in a heartbeat. If that were to work its way out. Um, and, um,

Yeah, so those are the two guys I think that she'd match up to. Well, I think, too, you know, one of the things I think we've learned from the first season of, well, from the Golden Bachelor is that everyone at this stage in the game is invested in the areas that they live in, right? I mean, whether it's because your grandchildren are there, you know, whatever it might be. And, you know, how many people are going to

literally uproot and say, okay, I'm moving here. You know, it's like, you're not going to want to vacate those areas where your family is and where your family, you know, your children, your grandchildren and your children are. So, you're going to need someone who's either A, completely unattached or B, willing to kind of be not necessarily bi-coastal, but by city living, right? Like they're going to have to be willing to go, hey, we're going to go two weeks here and

two weeks there or maybe every other weekend we're here you know season there and a season here there you go yeah you're gonna have to be open to that and and maybe that's part of it too with pascal like you said and like jason mentioned plugging into his lifestyle obviously you're right he's not necessarily uprooting and going anywhere you know not no matter how much he might care about someone it's going to be a long-distance relationship yeah you've got you've got a whole season there man in palm spring yeah you saw the same season all the time which is perfect every day yeah exactly

I'm looking at the sunshine today. It's in the mid-70s, and it's that time of year when all of the folks come back in

uh, in town, you know, they leave for the summer and they come back for the winter and spring months. So yeah, that's why traffic's better here in Seattle right now. They've all left to come down there. They've all left. They're all, and guys, guys, it's 75 and mildly sunny here in Michigan. So we're kind of got the best of both worlds. We got the mildly sunniest Seattle and the 75 of the Palm desert. Yeah. Um, beautiful. So Jason, I got a question for you. So, um, and you are the one who can answer this better than, better than I know myself. Um,

Joan and whoever she chooses, right? The hardest part, and we've seen this all the way back to the original first Bachelor, all the way through to whatever season 165 that we're on now. How do you adapt and adjust your lifestyles together post-show season?

Right. Because I think we've all seen people come off the show. Now we've even seen a few people come off the show and get married and divorced. Um, you know, and, uh, I mean, I can say, honestly, it's not easy coming off the show and keeping even a dating relationship together. Um,

But Jason, you've done it and you've done it in grand fashion. I mean, you're happier now. Every time I see you, I'm like, God, I love those two together. It's just like you guys, you know, and Tristan and Ryan, same thing, you know, Aaron, Aaron and Catherine, you know, I've seen it and it's. Joey and Kelsey right now. There you go. Joey and Kelsey look amazingly happy right now and they're committing that time together. And that's gotta be so hard too, because he's on Dancing with the Stars as well. And he's. Yeah.

You know, he's on a dance floor. I mean, there's a lot going on there. But Jason, what would be your experience? If you had a piece of advice to give to Joan and one of these guys, what would it be? Well, I think there's a couple of things that stick out. The first one, and I said this to anybody who's asked me for advice, is I think only you and whoever you choose or your partner is know what the truth is. Like, are you in it for the TV fame and all that? Or are you really in it for the relationship? Right.

And then you got to be honest with your, because there's a lot of people, especially the younger, not talking about the golden bachelor bachelorette. I think a lot of people are looking to make, make a really good living from what they've done.

Right. And you've got to, yeah. The TV stuff. And I think you've got to be honest with yourself. And if, if, if you really do, I think it is helpful to go back to wherever you're from. Right. Chris Harris used to say that all the time. Like don't move to New York. Don't move to LA. Don't quit your day job. Like, yeah. Yeah. Chris is like, you'll be more successful in your day job than anything else. Yeah. I would say that. And I used to talk to Trist about this all the time. And I, and I think the other thing is like, give it like,

Molly and I were – Molly was living in Milwaukee and I was living in Seattle. Like, you don't have to jump in real quick. Like, uplifting your life, uprooting your life and saying, hey, I'm going to move to Seattle or I'm going to move to Michigan or I'm going to move to Palm Springs. Like, that's not real either. Like, you meet somebody and a week later, move. I'd say give it a shot where you're going to expose yourself to their life. They're going to experience some of your life. And, you know –

And again, whether it's the Golden Bachelor or as the show changes a little bit, a lot of people have kids or grandkids. So you want to be able to be... And I went through this. You want to be really sensitive that that really works out. And...

like the people in your life aren't like shell shocked by this other person coming into your life and same vice versa, but really experiencing where they're from. Like Molly and I dated long distance for about a year. Like we should hear once a month, I'd go there once a month and we did it like, again, it took a, it was a year and that might be fast for some people, but we gave it plenty of time before she moved to Seattle. Yeah. I love that. That is the kind of advice that, yeah, that's the kind of advice that you need to hear because I

I think what happens, there's so much pressure, as we all know. And I mean, when I chose a woman by the name of Estella, I didn't propose at the time. And when we came off the show, there was just so much pressure to do so many things. And my life was going a million miles an hour. And, you know...

hers wasn't because they didn't know her yet. Right. Cause she hadn't been exposed yet. And, and it's the way they used to do the show back then. And I'm not sure if you, if you even watch it back then, Gary or not, but they would always make it seem like you were going to pick the other one.

So that, you know, it was like this formulaic thing. And so if you were choosing this person, they always made it look like you were choosing this one. So that when you actually chose this one, it was shock and awe. But there was also automatic backlash, you know. And so you come off that last night of filming and now it's finally out there and everyone knows we're together. And everywhere you go, they're like, why didn't you pick the other one?

I don't understand. And they're saying it right in front of her. Like, she's not even there. And you're like, oh my God, you know, it was terrible, you know? And thankfully we're still really friendly that both of the last two girls on my season and I are, and they've both been guests on almost famous DOGs by the way, which is crazy. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's been kind of fun. My ex-wife's been a guest too. Yeah. We, so we, any, you know, it's always Bob's ex that's on the show. But, um,

Let me interject because I think something Jason said is very important and we don't want to forget. And I think that's why the producers have incorporated the family, you know, the hometowns, the meet the families, because you really take into consideration your loved ones and their thoughts who are now adult kids and they have marriages and you want them to have some say in this because you really value and trust their opinion on

And I think that's another big part of the decision you have to make in who you're going to be with, because it's not just you stand alone anymore. It's now you and me.

so many others that are involved in that decision process. You know, it's interesting because like, I think being on the show, you get this natural high, right? There's the TV, the cameras, the girls, the dates and everything. But even outside of the show, you're still on a high in those first few months you're dating somebody. Yeah. Like, and I think you've got to figure out how to put yourself in a position where like things will happen after the high, like the real relate, we all, we've all been married, right? So the real relationship,

happens when the high is over. Exactly. In a position where you can really realistically understand what life will be like after that high. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree, man. Well, hey, Gary, if your phone rings tomorrow,

And they're like, yes, sir, Gary. This is the call, buddy. We want to know. Here we go. Jason's doing the call. We want you to be the next golden bachelor. Gary, what are we saying? That's a tough call.

you know, look, you guys have been in that hot seat where you're making decisions about who and when and where and why. It'd be a lot of fun, but at the same time, it could be very stressful. Oh, yeah. I'd have to

think about that. I haven't really even thought about that in taking that next step, but who knows? Let's see where the big man upstairs takes me, and that's where I will be. You know what's funny about that? I think I even called Bob before I did The Bachelor. I think we all called Bob at some point. We did. Yeah, we talked for sure. Stay close. Stay close.

I think he's, I think what he said, and if I could quote wrong, he's like, I'm going to tell you not to do it, but you're going to do it anyways. Yeah. I actually do think I said that because I will tell you, I mean, one of the things too, what about golden paradise? What if they did a bachelor, you know, golden bachelor pair is that,

Is that easier? Okay, so I'd probably have to drop about 30, 40 pounds. I don't know if you guys saw that Chippendale dance where the big keg showed up. I'm thinking I got a six-pack, and they did it in slow motion. I'm thinking, oh, no. Well, when you get older, it's called a keg. Exactly. Yeah, it's a kegger. It's a kegger.

So you guys, yeah, I love to think about it. Right. Well, thank you guys both so much for being open to talking about all this stuff. And I mean, you talk about putting yourself out there. You guys both did that today. You both did it when you were on the show. And I think,

I've already seen it unfold for Jason, but I think we're going to watch it unfold with you too, Gary, that it's just, things are just going to keep on getting better, buddy. And I think you deserve it. And I'm happy for you and very happy to see what comes next for you, my friend. And you guys are always welcome to join me here where we are just doling out the best advice we humanly possibly can to anybody who might be listening, right? Awesome. Awesome. Stay close. Stay close. Yes. I'm going to have a phone in, buddy. I need you. I need you.

I keep doing what you guys all do so very well, man. You guys mean so much and you matter to so many folks. But I need you to. So stay close, please. We got you. We got you, buddy. Jason and I, we're a package deal. You got us anytime you need us. Okay, guys. All right. Guys, it was so great catching up with both of you. I think a lot of women got a bunch of wonderful information out of our

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