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Hey everybody, welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder With My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. If you are listening on podcast right now, thank you. We are so happy to have you here. Please subscribe. Please leave us a review if possible. We love the engagement. We love the reviews. And if you are here on YouTube, hi, hello, please turn on notifications so that you guys can get notified every single time we upload. You know the drill. Also give us a
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Um, she's over in the corner to the left of me. Try not to look at her and look at the camera. She is watching us. So we have live audience today, but yes, we love her. We love having her here. So that's my 10 seconds this week. Other than that, I don't know. He does have a weird tan line on his head. Oh my gosh. Yes. If you're on YouTube, if you can see it, I'm sorry. We were playing pickleball. He was wearing a hat.
And we didn't realize it. Sorry, everybody. It's cute. So we are actually covering a very infamous case this week. It's a big one, I think. I kind of heard about this case, watched this case on the media, on the news when I was like 13 years old. My little...
True crime self was just enthralled with it. I would keep watching Nancy Grace as my mom went to bed. So most of you are probably going to know this case. Garrett has absolutely no idea what this case is. He just knows that a lot of you have suggested it. So here we go. We are jumping into the case of Jodi Arias.
and Travis Alexander. This case has everything that made it a media whirlwind, beautiful people according to societal beauty standards, passion, lust, sex, betrayal, lies. It has everything that made it huge. There is a lot of imagery that will be on our YouTube video, and we can also load some of it on our media channel. So if you want to watch as we go, check it out on YouTube. And
So we are trying to cover this case in one episode. And like I said, it's a large case, so there's a lot of details. So there might be some that we leave out just trying to condense it. And so I'm sorry about that. If you have any other important details that you want to include, we can always do it in comments and stuff. I love going on, continuing the conversation there.
case sources this week are HuffPost.com, an Amazon documentary called Jodi Arias, FilmDaily.co, and also JCS, the YouTube channel covers this two hour long interrogation. And it's amazing. Like I always say, I know I rave about him, but yeah, so you can check that out too. It's really good to watch. Our case starts in September of 2006 in Las Vegas, Nevada at a conference.
A 30-year-old clean-cut man named Travis Alexander, who was a motivational speaker and legal insurance salesman, was speaking at said conference in Las Vegas. Travis had grown up in Southern California with drug addict parents. It was a rough childhood. He was physically abused and neglected as a child. And so when he was 10, him and his siblings went to live with their grandparents who were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
And I know this is the second case we've covered with Mormons, and I know that makes it seem crazy, but this just happened to be the case I chose. So I'm sorry about that. Travis began attending church, and then at age 18, he served a mission in Denver, Colorado. When he came home from his mission, he found a job at a multi-level marketing company that was called PPL, which stands for Prepaid Legal Group.
This is why he's a salesman and a motivational speaker at the same time, because in multi-level marketing, the higher up you get, you kind of stop doing the work and you more start encouraging people to join and stuff like that. So he kind of had moved on to the motivational speaking, trying to get people under him type
In 2004, Travis moved to Mesa, Arizona because it had a larger Mormon community than California. And he was a young bachelor. He was looking for a wife and he was kind of living a good life. He had a big house, he had a BMW. And so this is where he wanted to end up.
28-year-old blonde Jodi Arias attended the same Las Vegas conference for PPL. She was traveling in from Palm Desert, California. Jodi grew up in California in a stable home. She was described as quiet, a good student, and from the time she was young, she always had a boyfriend. Parents say it was kind of her weakness. She loved boys.
So Jodi and Travis were both reps for PPL. So Jodi was just barely getting into PPL and Travis was high up in PPL at this conference. Got it. So he spoke and she saw him at the conference. Okay. But in 2006 at this conference, she was aspiring to be a saleswoman and an independent photographer. Okay.
Travis and Jodi end up meeting at the conference and had an instant connection. They were both young, both attractive, and they instantly just started exploring this relationship. As the conference ended, Jodi and Travis returned to their separate homes and called and emailed every day. They exchanged approximately 82,000 emails during the course of their relationship. Yeah.
As time goes on, Jodi begins to fall in love with Travis from afar. Remember, she's in California, he's in Arizona. And because Travis was a Mormon who lived in Arizona, Jodi decided to be baptized by Travis into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on November 26th, 2006. So only a couple months after they had met.
Uh-huh.
And they were doing this before they became officially boyfriend and girlfriend. They were having a sexual relationship. Jodi probably didn't realize that the more physical her and Travis were, the less marriage material she began to look in
in Travis's eyes, according to his standards. And on June 29th, 2007, Travis and Jodi break up. And around this time, Jodi decides to also move to Phoenix, Arizona. What was the reason they broke up? Because of the whole sexual relationship. Travis was feeling like, I need to be taking dating more seriously. I'm looking for a wife. I'm old enough. I want to settle down. And unfortunately, our relationship is just not, it's not that for me. Got it.
Um, so once they break up is when she decides to move to where he lived. So they dated afar the whole time. And then once they break up, she's like, okay, I'm going to move to Arizona. Is it because she wanted to date other? Exactly. So she says it's because she too wanted to immerse herself in this religion that she had joined.
Although Travis is upset with the move and is telling friends that, you know, Jodi wasn't marriage material and he wanted her out of his life, but now she's moved here and that's made it hard. Travis and Jodi just can't seem to stay away from each other. Jodi literally becomes Travis's kryptonite. They maintain their physical relationship, but not dating. They just maintain a physical relationship, which goes against Travis's beliefs.
They begin hiding it from his friends and family because she lives close by now. They can sneak around and it kind of becomes this hidden romance that they aren't telling anyone else about.
She knew that Travis was beginning to only see her in a physical light, but Jodi was just falling more and more in love with each rendezvous they had. This is when Travis and Jodi's relationship becomes extremely toxic and rocky. It's back and forth. They're on again. They're off again. One minute they are hooking up. The next day, Travis is taking a girl from church on a date.
So he's living this secret life with Jodi and then going to church and preaching and being like, yeah, let's go on a date. I want to get married. Did Jodi not care? She did care, but she liked him. So she wanted to be with him and this was the way to be with him.
In December of 2007, Travis begins steadily dating another woman from church and tells his friends that Jodi has been harassing him. She slashed his tires twice. She's breaking into his house. She's logging into his Facebook, to his bank account, all of this stuff.
Travis' new girlfriend was also being harassed via email and Travis says, I think it's from Jodi because it was like anonymous. He's like, I'm pretty sure it's from this girl named Jodi. She's obsessed with me. She's a stalker, all that type thing. In January of 2008, Travis and Jodi are maintaining a physical relationship on the side after the new girlfriend doesn't become as serious as Travis thought. So this new girlfriend ends up like leaving Travis' life and he goes right back to having a- So the whole time are they still- I think-
Kind of, you know, in and out. But once the new girlfriend is out, it's more common again, these hookups. Got it.
So very promiscuous texts and phone calls going between Travis and Jodi at this time. Meanwhile, Travis is still dating and portraying himself as single and Mormon to his friends and family. In March of 2008, Travis and Jodi traveled together to Oklahoma and Texas. They need to get away because they're just having to be in hiding their relationship. But if they go out of state, they can be open about it.
In April, Jodi moves back to California from Arizona after growing tired of sneaking around and not being more than just a physical relationship for Travis. So they break up. I mean, they break off their hookups. She was also growing extremely jealous of each new date that Travis was going on in between their hookups. Travis tells friends that he's looking forward to his life now that Jodi is in California. He can
finally get rid of that toxicity that was keeping him from living the standards that he wants to live, that type thing. He feels like he can get his life back on track and focus on finding a wife because that's what he wants to do. On April 20th,
Jodi and Travis are still in contact via text flirting once again, even though she's moved back to California. On May 10th, Jodi and Travis are fighting via text. On May 18th, Travis makes a post about dating to Mary and why it's important. On Facebook?
Yes. Well, it was on his blog, but he was also using Facebook. This just goes to show that they're like up and down, up and down, hooking up, texting, flirting. Yeah, they're all over the place. Never mind. I don't want you. I'm focusing on cleaning up my life and getting my wife back together, hooking up again.
In June of 2006, Travis tells his friends that Jodi has hacked into his Facebook account. He tells his friends that he talked to her and told her to stay out of his life forever. Travis seemed to care a lot about what other people thought about the relationship. Societal standards. Everyone around... I mean...
His surroundings were people at church and they all share the same standards. Like I told my parents, I told people at church, I told my friends this. And they all have the same standards. And so if Travis is breaking those standards and he cares a lot, he cares a lot that he's not because he liked Jodi, but he was like, I can't marry you because we can't seem to agree upon these standards or whatever. Yeah.
And it wasn't like Jodi was pressuring him. I don't want to put that out there. I'm just saying that they, as a couple, were not living the standards. On June 9th, 2008, Travis's friends are worried because they haven't heard from him in several days. He had missed some important meetings and was supposed to be going to Cancun for work with a new love interest named Mimi Hall, whom he had met at church.
So they go to his home and they find his roommate home. They ask him, hey, where's Travis? He's not replying to texts and he's supposed to be leaving to Cancun. And the roommate's like, oh, I thought he was in Cancun already. So his friends are like, no, he's not in Cancun. So they're like, okay, let's go check his room. The door was locked. So they get the extra key.
And they walk in and they see blood all over the floor. He has like a little hallway, a bedroom, and then the master bathroom. They see blood all over the floor. They walk into the bathroom and they find him dead on the floor of his shower. Keep in mind, his roommate has been sleeping at the house.
What? Yes. How many roommates does he have? Just one. Just one. Was the bathroom inside his room or outside his room? It was inside. It was connected to his room. Got it. His state of decomp suggests that he's been dead for multiple days. So this roommate has been living in the house. Wouldn't he smell it?
There was a foul smell and the roommate told police, dude, we're a bunch of guys. Like it could have been the garbage for all I know. Our house constantly stinks. We smell something funny and we just wait for the next person to take the trash out. Yeah. So there were large amounts of blood discovered in the bathroom, on the floors, on the,
Weird. The bedding was gone? Yes.
Like the sheets and... Yes, the sheets and everything. Okay. Police determined that Travis had been shot in the head with a .25 caliber gun. The bullet was found in his left cheek. He had then been stabbed 27 times and his throat slashed from ear to ear. He was almost decapitated. 27 times? Mm-hmm.
Crime scene investigators found a 25 caliber shell casing on the floor next to the sink and also a hair and handprint in blood were found near the bathroom entrance. So like the bathroom doors here and it's kind of on the wall outside the bathroom door.
My other question is, did no one hear the gunshot go off? Well, I know that he was home alone at the time, but I'm going to say no because no one came forward and said anything. Travis's digital camera was then found in the washing machine in the laundry room downstairs. And the camera had been run through a wash with some towels on the machine. And the pictures that were on the memory card had been deleted. What in the world? Yes.
When Travis's friends are questioned, they all mention his stalker and harasser ex-girlfriend Jodi Arias. This is from thehuffpost.com.
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So on June 2nd, 2008, Jodi had rented a car in Redding, California, headed on a road trip to Salt Lake City for a PPL convention and also to meet up with her new love interest boyfriend, Ryan Burns. On June 5th, 2008, three days later, after she leaves, Jodi arrives in Salt Lake City and visits Ryan Burns, that love interest and coworker who lived in West Jordan, Utah.
So it took three days to get from California to Utah. Now Garrett and I have, okay, from Northern California to Utah. Garrett and I have made the drive multiple times from Southern California to Utah and back. I will say it does not take three days. No. And Northern California shouldn't be, I mean, do you know what part of Northern California? Redding, California. Yeah. So Redding is probably a 10th.
10, 11 hours from here? Yeah, so definitely not three days. I mean, she could have stopped, but then that's only two days. You know what I mean? So police ask Jodi why it took her so long to get there. She says that she stopped and visited friends in Southern California first. She didn't sleep the night. She just stopped and saw them. Police contact Ryan who says, yeah, she really did show up that day. It was, you know, it was good. She wasn't acting weird. It was a little weird because blonde bombshell Jodi, like blonde bombshell,
had actually dyed her hair brown. So when she showed up, she had brown hair all of a sudden. And, you know, she had some cuts on her hand. But other than that, like nothing really stood out to me. Uh-oh. Just a couple of cuts. Jodi tells police on June 7th, 2008, that she made it back to Northern California and returned the rental car. And that was the extent of her road trip to Salt Lake City. That just happened yesterday.
to be over one of the days that Travis had been murdered. Yeah, what a coincidence. So on June 13th, 2008, Jodi posts an album on MySpace titled In Loving Memory of Travis. This is after Travis has died. On June 17th, 2008, Jodi is voluntarily fingerprinted, also gives her DNA along with some of Travis's other friends. So it wasn't that weird that she had agreed to this.
While waiting for the results, police are shocked to discover that technicians had been able to recover some images from the camera in the washing machine at Travis's house. No way. Okay. And what they found on there would change the case in its entirety.
There were deleted pictures of Travis naked in the shower. He appeared to be posing for the pictures like promiscuously, but the next pictures on the camera were dark and grainy. And there was also a picture of Travis on the floor of the bathroom bleeding profusely, like just a part of his body. And in that picture is a foot and a leg.
And like a shin, someone standing over Travis. It's almost like the camera had accidentally gone off after being dropped in the struggle. Holy crap. There were also pictures before those ones I just described that were of Travis,
and Jodi Arias, nude on their bed in provocative sexual poses. They had had a whole entire photo shoot, and these pictures are time-stamped during the time that Jodi had driven from California to Salt Lake City. So why...
Why did she throw it in the washer? Why wouldn't she just take it with her? So these photos prove that Jodi had lied to police about when she had last seen Travis. It also proves that Jodi was the last person Travis was in contact with before he died in the shower seconds before those pictures were taken.
And can they tell like whose foot it is? Like if Jodi had her foot out, could they tell? I mean, no, there's no way to positively 100% match that. But if Jodi's naked on his bed posing minutes before he's in the shower, which is seconds before he's killed...
Yeah. I think it's easy to draw the line that Jody was at least there. Maybe she wasn't the person that did it, but she was definitely in the house, which she told police she hadn't seen him since she moved to California. Later that day at 10 54 PM, Jody posted a message on my space that said, I'm missing Travis. See you soon, my friend, but not soon enough. So the day that police figure out that she had lied, she's also on my space posting about how she misses Travis.
On June 26, 2008, the tests come back and conclude that the bloody handprint and the hair in Travis's apartment belonged to Jodi Arias. This seems so, I mean. Open and shut. Yeah. Right? The bloody print also had both Jodi and Travis's DNA on it. So like on the handprint was also some DNA that was both Travis's and hers. And that same day the police like discover this match, Jodi attends Travis's memorial service.
On July 14th, Mesa police drive to California to interview Jodi in person. They're like, okay, we have the evidence. So now we need to like go get her. This is when their investigation opens into Jodi.
This interrogation is pretty intense, and this is what JCS Criminal Psychology does a deep dive into, the two-hour one, and I would look it up if you're interested. He, like, dissects all of it. We're not going to go into it here, but that's a great source if you want to watch it. Jodi was very open and offered a lot of information during her interrogation, but police tell her that even if she had slept in her car, her road trip still left 18-plus hours of time uncalled for.
They tell her that they have her blood, hair, and DNA at the crime scene after she promises she was never at his house during the road trip. No matter what they tell her, Jodi maintains that she was never there.
That she wasn't there at all. Yes. Or just there when he died. Just there when he died. So she says, well, my hair's probably there because I've been there multiple times. And she's like, but I was never there during this time. They're like, Jodi, your DNA is in blood. And she's like, well, I wasn't there. I don't know what to say. And is she lawyered up at this point? No, she's just sitting in the room alone.
Police finally tell her that they also have the images from the camera in the washing machine. And this was a bombshell on Jodi because she had just said, I wasn't there. Did she freak out? These images are timestamps. So she was definitely there. Police pull out the pictures and show her. And I do have to say, these pictures are full on naked. So how awkward to sit there and they...
slide out and say, look, this is you with a timestamp right there, full on spread eagle in this bed. And she's like, she says, oh, that is me, isn't it? That's what she says. Like just blown away. Okay. So I do have to tell you this about Jodi. And JCS said this, she puts on this character around everyone to try to make her seem less guilty or less likely. Like innocent almost. Yes. And she talks like,
Yeah, like very soft-spoken, very Christian, very God-fearing. Like she puts on this whole character. Police pull out the pictures, and she's like, well, yeah, that is me, but I don't know when those were from. And they're like, hey, well, they're time-stamped, so you can't argue with that. And she says, well, I mean, but you can doctor those. Like those time stamps could be fake.
So she's just, oh my, she's just trying to lie. She sticks with the fact that she wasn't at Travis's house on the 4th or the 5th of June, 10 days earlier. Jodi says that timestamps can be altered, but then police show her the image of Travis on the ground bleeding. And they say, hey, we think the camera kept going off. And they say, and also Jodi, that's your foot. That's your foot and your pants in this image standing above the body while the camera's accidentally shooting. Jodi doesn't budge. That's not me.
I can't believe she can say that with a straight face. Yes. Well, she's like very blinking a lot. Like that's not me. Yeah. So she's read her Miranda rights and left alone in the interrogation room. And this next part is why some listeners have commented on our episode 24, Ryan Poston and Shana Hubers, that their case reminded them a lot of this case. And this is why. Before the detective leaves, Jodi looks up at him through tears and says, well, if you're arresting me,
can I have some, you know, this is going to show you how vain I am, but can I have some makeup and a mirror to get my face ready for my mugshot? And he's like, yeah. And he's like, ah, no, you're going to take it just how you are. Detective walks out. Jody immediately stops crying, instantly turns off the tear. She's in full blown. Oh my gosh, I'm getting arrested. He walks out. She doesn't know that the videotape is in there and she immediately stops crying, looks up,
moves her chair, crawls on all fours over to the wall and does a headstand against the wall for like a minute. Doesn't say anything. No, she does not. Yes. And this is going to be playing. Yes, this is going to be playing on our YouTube. I need to watch this. Does a headstand against the wall seconds after being told that she's going to have to take a normal mugshot. Impressive. And then after that, it kind of wasn't. I was kind of thinking that like,
even do a headstand right now because the blood rush like she just got up and did one. So then after that she goes and sits back down. She starts singing Oh Holy Night to herself out loud and once again has a good voice just like Shana did and once again why can I not have a good voice? It makes me mad but whatever. So she then starts talking to herself like in the chair she goes she mumbles these still hate me and then she mumbles brat.
And you can hear all this in the video. Yes, just talking out loud. And keep in mind, she doesn't know she's being recorded. So she's just... Okay. Yeah. So the next day, police continue the interrogation with Jodi. This time she's in a jumpsuit because she spent the night in jail. And they try to bring in a female detective. Jodi won't talk to her. She obviously...
Only wants the man. Were the cops not scared? Like, is she possessed? Like, what's going on right now? I just think they think that she doesn't care. Maybe they're used to this. Detective Flores comes back in and Jodi unloads. She tells him, okay, fine. I'll tell you what I know. Travis knew that I was stopping by during my road trip to Salt Lake and that she got to his house around 3 a.m.,
She says that they went to bed and then they woke up later in the afternoon and they had sex and they took those naughty pictures of each other on the bed. The last photos of Travis in the shower were taken around 5.20 p.m. that day. Jodi finally tells the detective that a man and a woman in ski masks
barged in on her and Travis during their shower photo shoot. She says that they attacked Travis in the shower and through sobs, she says she ran into the closet and the man held a gun to her head and that she began fighting with the woman who had a knife
and that the woman eventually let go. And that's how she got the cuts on her hand. She says the man and woman in ski masks argue about whether or not to kill Jodi. And she says that the man says killing her is not what they came there for, that they came there to kill Jodi.
Travis. She says that the fight left her cut and that the intruder told her if she ever said anything about it, that they would go and kill her family. They had gone in her purse, looked at where she lived, everything, and they let her go. So she just got in her car and drove to Salt Lake City and met up with Ryan, whom she also was interested in. And he said she wasn't acting weird. They made out. They were
basically dating that weekend and she went to the PPL conference. So this seems like such a just solid case. Like she did it and... You and everyone else agrees. But now I'm confused because you're still talking. So...
So Jodi's parents are interviewed during this time and they tell police that Jodi got along well with her siblings, but not with them. That Jodi had moved out during junior year of high school, moved in with her boyfriend. And after getting busted for growing marijuana in middle school, it was just kind of downhill from there. Parents say she's a really smart girl.
She's very friendly, but they just didn't have a good relationship with her. They say that a couple days after Travis's murder, Jodi came back to California, sat them down, and told them that she was going to leave the country because she was going to be blamed for something she didn't do, and she couldn't tell them any more details.
Why? This whole thing is insane. It's just an open and shut case, it seems. So we're in 2008 still? Yes, correct. They met in 2006 and we're now in 2008. Got it. On September 5th, Jody is extradited to Arizona and assigned a public defender. Juan Martinez is assigned as the lead prosecutor and he decides to go for the death penalty.
On September 11th, 2008, Jodi pleads not guilty and tells the media that she and God knows that she's innocent. Her arrest and glamorous mugshot and now facing the death penalty means Jodi becomes instantly famous in the United States. The media picks up this story, jealous girlfriend, kills her boyfriend, acts crazy, has a beautiful, because in her mugshot, she's smiling.
And her head's tilted. She's crazy. Yeah. And so they're like, oh my gosh, look at this crazy girl who killed her. Like she goes instantly haywire. And this is when I at 13 years old was like turning on Nancy Grace. Like what's, what's new in the Jodi Arias case? I kind of am picturing Harley Quinn a little bit in my head. Yes, I would.
say yes a little. I mean, she's a little more refined. Like she has to go for the innocent look, but definitely crazy eyes. Like definitely a little weird. Jodi's face is all over the news and media in 2008. Um, an infamous clip from Nancy Grace that I remember is when they show Jodi during an interview with media because she just starts taking any interview she can get. She's doing interviews with everybody from jail.
I'm talking about her innocence. How did I not hear about this? Cause you don't, you don't pay attention. I don't understand. So during an interview that she's doing, she takes a little break during the interview and they're still filming her and she goes to put makeup on while in her jumpsuit. She's like, can I just freshen up my face while she's talking about being convicted of murder and on the death penalty and she's doing her makeup and Nancy yells literally at the TV.
Gotta get your makeup straight before you're asked questions about your lover's murder. She just said that? She yells it. And it's just, it's so good because Nancy Grace is just, you know, and it's so good. So yeah. Jodi gets a selfish, self-consumed, flirtatious rap around the nation. They're like, this girl's just trying to flirt her way to innocence.
She isn't taking much seriously. She's laughing in her interview. She's talking about herself a lot. And on August 8th, 2011, Jodi requests to represent herself at trial. Eight days later, after failing to get some forged letters from Travis that she had forged herself stating that he was a pedophile, she admits to court, you know, judge, I think I'm in over my head here. And so judge reinstates her defense counsel.
Jodi also changes her story to domestic violence defense, stating that Travis had attacked her that night. And so she had shot him in self-defense after sexual and physical abuse throughout their two-year relationship. So once you change your story, I feel like that instantly makes you like that you're guilty. I think it's the fact that she's going from one extreme to another extreme to another extreme. I wasn't even there. Fine. I was there and two people broken. Fine. That didn't happen either. I was there and I shot him in self-defense. Exactly. Exactly.
So we're in 2012 now. This is how long this is taking. Jodi was assigned a new defense attorney after hers requested to be released from position. So her attorney was like, can't work for this lady. Next. And that's why this is taking just so long.
Oh my gosh. Isn't it just, all right, you're guilty. Right? On January 2nd, 2013, Jodi Arias' trial begins and people line up outside the courtroom just to see the Jodi Arias in person. The state cites the number of times Jodi changed her story. The fact that the murder was so violent and everything as points against Jodi in their opening statements. The defense states that Jodi had killed him in self-defense.
And so they shouldn't convict her of first degree murder. Like they say, okay, she did kill him, but it was in self-defense. So it's not first degree murder. Take the death penalty off the table. And I feel like, I don't know, is that something you can prove? Right? Because I mean, she could lie pretty well that it was self-defense. Yes. Except for if the state can prove that there were things she did previously to plan out the murder, then...
Then it'll go against it and they won't be able to prove it. They say that if Jodi hadn't killed Travis, she wouldn't be alive today. That it would have been her instead of him. That's how abusive the relationship was. But the biggest bombshell, the defense drop, is that Jodi was forced into a sexual relationship with a dominant Travis and that every aspect of their sex life would be exploited at trial.
So they come right out and they say, sorry about it. You're about to learn every single aspect of this very abusive sexual relationship between Travis and Jodi. Welcome to the trial. That's what the defense says. Wow. And I mean, is it true? Well, some of it's proved at trial. And this trial is a big deal. This trial is televised.
This trial is televised. And also, you have to think about this from Travis's friends and family who are sitting in the courtroom. They get the first couple rows. He was obviously not living the values that he wished to, and he had been lying to everyone about it. And now his sins, from his point of view as the victim, would be on full blast at his own murder trial. That's really rough and exploitive and disgusting and hard and not how he should be remembered. But it's going to happen because...
that she's trying to get off. The state blasts during their couple days that the number of lies Jodi told police in her first interviews downplaying her and Travis's relationship and the gruesome nature of Travis's death should all prove that she did this and it was first degree murder. Also how hard it would be to kill someone of Travis's size if it was self-defense and her not have any extensive wounds besides a couple cuts.
that he had to have been caught off guard or surprised in the shower in order for someone of her size to actually overpower him and kill him. That nearly decapitating someone and stabbing them 27 times isn't self-defense. That's what the state says. Got it.
The state also shows during their time a lot of the crime scene photos, which are brutal, and you can see them. Everyone in the courtroom had to see them as well. It was a really awful time. Think of Travis's family sitting there having to see Travis nearly decapitated in the shower. Jodi hid behind her hair for most of the time that the state was up.
Jodi also said that she shot him in the head and he kept attacking her. But the ME comes out for the state and says that wouldn't make sense that he would have gone down immediately after being shot in the brain.
Like, why would you then stab him? Well, they're like, there's no way he kept attacking you. Cause she's like, well, um, you know, he just kept attacking me after I shot him. So then that's why I had to stab him 27 times. And the Emmy's like, no, he would have gone down. Yeah. You shot in the brain. You're down. You don't keep attacking enough.
to have, you know, 27 stab wounds. The defense says there's no evidence of that though. And the ME is like, yeah, you're right. Like on cross-examination, they're like, but there's no evidence that he actually didn't go down. That's just your professional opinion that getting shot in the head would make it worse.
Yeah. This seems just so obvious to me. I'm so confused. Yeah.
And on day nine, prosecution rests its case. So the state's like, that's it. We're done. We've done what we can to prove that this was, you know, first degree murder and that Jodi did this. The defense comes up and Jodi's ex-boyfriend testifies about how calm and nice she was. I dated her for years when she, you know, moved out of her house and lived with me. And she was great. There was nothing ever wrong. But it comes out that before Jodi left for her trip,
She had stopped by this same ex's house that was just testifying and picked up two cans of gas from him. It doesn't seem like that big a deal. Oh, okay. But the state gets up and cross-examines him and they say...
You know what? We went through the receipts. We found a box of receipts from the trip, this road trip she took from California Salt Lake during the time that Travis was murdered. And she never filled up with gas in Arizona. Never once. And she spent a whole day there. We know. Never once did she fill up with gas. She instead used those gas cans that she had picked up from your house.
Almost like she was trying to keep herself out of Arizona when it came down to paperwork. I was never there. I didn't even get gas there. And that proves that this was calculated and planned, which would prove first degree murder. Just like you were saying, if the state can come up with something to say, no, she planned this. And there you go. There you have it. She knew she was going to kill him and she wanted, she turned off her cell phone. So her cell phone wouldn't ping.
The whole entire day she was there and she brought gas with her so she wouldn't have to fill up there. One of the biggest questions during trial was if Jodi Arias was going to get on the stand or not. This is a big deal. Are you going to testify at your own trial? Like that's a big deal.
It was day four of the defense's testimony when Jodi walked into court and walked right up to stand. She would testify. This is huge. This part is going to get a little in-depth sexually. So if you are uncomfortable with that or your kids are listening or whatever, you can feel free, whatever. Jodi says the day that Travis baptized her, they went back to his house and into his bedroom and Travis and her had anal sex.
This combined sexuality and religion, and they say this because sex was being used in a not good way. Like when it came down to religion, it was being used to control her. That's what the defense is trying to say. They began reading through...
Jody and Travis's emails. And this is all while Jody's standing like on the stand. And they're saying, did you say this, this, this to him? And she has to say, yes, I did. And they're bad. Like they're, I mean, they're not bad, but they're very sexual in nature. And it's just, it's an uncomfortable situation for everyone. Yeah. He called her a slut. Yeah.
Said she would rejoice in being a whore for him and that her whole purpose in life was to please him and to have animal sex with him. And all of this is written or recorded. So it's all proved. He also, this is a big deal from the trial. He also refers to her multiple times as a three hole wonder.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yes. So his whole family sitting here having to hear about this very secret, I'm not saying bad secret life he was having and outing him in a way because he didn't want to be portrayed as this or perceived as this. And so it's just, it's,
It's horrible. So it definitely threw a fork in everything that had been going on. This relationship had emotional and mental abuse, according to the jurors. Like the jurors said that. Especially because I assume the state was painting him as this perfect kind of guy, correct? Yeah, like this religious, very successful guy. And he was. I don't want to take that away from Travis because he was. And I don't think just because you have a...
a sexual relationship with someone makes you a bad person. Like the defense is trying to portray it and they are, they're trying to portray. And now if you're, if he was being abusive, it's according to the, his religion. Exactly. Exactly. And, but the jurors say, no, it was abusive. Like he was calling her derogatory things. The only thing was, was it consensual or was it abuse? Okay.
So Travis and Jodi were acting as good Christian churchgoers and then living this secret life together. Jodi tells the court that she saw him one time masturbating to child pornography, says he was a pedophile,
a pedophile so travis our victim is just getting slandered the worst basically the worst accusations and things were said about travis while jody was testifying she herself was saying these and was everything proved or just some of it none of that pedophile stuff was proved there was no child pornography on his computer there was nothing that all came single-handedly from jody some things um were in the emails like i said but also some things were just said by jody
Jodi says that he was physically abusive and the physical abuse would then turn into sexual abuse. It would start as punching and then turn into rape.
And then the defense plays a phone sex tape session between Jodi and Travis. And they play it for everyone to hear. And it's long and it is X-rated. And it is very shocking to hear considering the situation of this girl murdered him and now we're hearing their sex. It's a very intimate moment being shared publicly to try to say this is how nasty he was during sex with
Keep in mind during the sex tape, Jodi never once is like, I don't like that. Why are you saying those degrading things to me? So that's why I'm saying. So it sounds consensual almost. Yeah, it is. Like she's very, she is acting very consensual. And so now it's up to the jury to decide is Jodi actually the victim? Cause she's on stand saying none of this was consensual, but in the literally in this, in the tape,
he'll say something nasty to her and she'll be like, Ooh, that makes me feel bad. I like it. Yeah. So she literally saying the words, I like it. So that's, it's up to the jury and the, I will give it to the defense doing good job of making this questionable. The trial was so sexually graphic. There was moaning in the sex tape. It was raunchy. It just felt embarrassing and sad considering the situation.
Jodi finally testifies that the day she was taking pictures of him in the shower, the camera had accidentally slipped out of her hands and this had caused Travis to explode and get mad at her and he began chasing her through the house trying to kill her.
So she ran into the closet and remembered that he kept a gun there, this gun that no one knew about, like he didn't know. And she grabbed the gun and she pointed it at him and she fired on accident. She says that after this, she then blacked out and she has no memory of stabbing him 27 times or dragging him back to the shower after she shot him. Cross-examination comes and the prosecution brings up her journal,
saying you didn't write anything negative about your sex life with Travis in this journal. There was no pedophilia. There was no rape. There was no physical abuse. All that you write about is I have this relationship with Travis. No, I think he's only using me for sex. Now he's dating this girl. Everything we knew. Jodi was on the stand for 18 days testifying. Whoa, it's a long trial. Because her team has a chance and then the state's team has a chance.
and both sides then prepared for their closing arguments. The trial was wrapping up. After four months of trial, the jurors left to deliberate. Days and days go by, no news.
Four days later. And are they locked in a room together for four days? Yes. I mean, they're getting food and they get to go home and sleep. Oh, okay. I thought they were just sitting there for four days. And I don't know if this jury was sequestered or not because they might be sleeping at the hotel or whatever. But four days later, the jurors come back and they find Jodi guilty.
guilty on first degree murder. Okay. So now Jodi is going to go to sentencing and we will decide if she gets the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole because she was sentenced. Oh, so she hasn't been sentenced yet. No, she's only been convicted. But before Jodi can go to sentencing, she immediately after getting declared or after getting announced that she's guilty, she does a TV interview once again, minutes after the verdict and
She sits down. She says she's overwhelmed, that it was unexpected, but that death is the ultimate freedom. I would rather die than live my life in prison. She said that? Minutes after getting-
Yep. That's heavy. Yes. So at sentencing, Jody comes up. So his whole family comes up and testifies, tells the judge, you know, Travis was our rock. Travis has been painted in such a bad light, but he was such a good man. And this is why we think she should get the death penalty. Jody gets a chance to talk at sentencing. Every single person that is being convicted or has been convicted gets a chance to talk. So Jody gets up and she holds up a shirt that says survivor on it.
And then proceeds to tell the judge that she's selling this shirt and she's created this shirt and that all proceeds will go to victims of domestic violence. So she is still holding to her story that this was a domestic violence situation, which is not a good look. It's not a good look because it was kind of obvious. Like the trial didn't necessarily go in her way at all.
The jury comes back with a decision for life or death. And this is a big deal. Every single media outlet is covering this. And the jury says, judge, we can't decide. We have eight for it, this many against it. So doesn't it go to the judge at this point? No, it goes to mistrial. So the judge declares a mistrial and they have to start all over again.
all over. No freaking way. Yeah, so they have to start all over with the sentencing. Oh, so not with the whole trial. No, so she will still, she's still convicted, but now they're going to have to go through a whole new trial to try to convince a whole new set of jurors to give her the death penalty. I thought they had a, I mean, that sucks, but I thought they had to start like from blank one. Yes, no, no, no. They kind of do because they have to convince a whole new set of jurors. Okay. But,
I mean, she's already convicted. So the jurors aren't deciding if she's guilty or not. The jurors are deciding death penalty or life in prison. So a year later, that's how long it takes to regather everything, create all these cases again.
Everyone comes back and tries to prove that Jody deserves death. The second trial is over. And after six days of deliberation, the jury comes back and says, judge, we're hung once again, 11 to one, 11 for the death penalty. One person holds out.
Judge declares a mistrial. You can keep doing that over and over again? No. So Arizona rule is that you only get two shots to sentence someone to death. And if both those shots come back with a hung jury, she immediately gets life in prison without the possibility of parole. Oh,
So Jodi is sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on April 13th, 2015. And has she said anything else about that recently? She did a couple interviews after that. She has appealed her sentence twice. And she's in some public battles with her attorneys saying she had misrepresentation. She's suing them, all this stuff. But nothing has really changed. She kind of died out after that because there was like a nice little bow after that.
After the mistrials and her getting sentenced, I was like, okay, this is nice and wrapped up. It's over with. Yeah. But that is the very summarized version of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. That whole thing was insane. I can't believe you knew nothing about that.
this case isn't as big to other people. Oh, I knew nothing. I knew absolutely nothing. But I think you say her name and it's pretty popular. Well, I've seen it in the DMs a couple of times. Yeah, we've had a ton of suggestions for this case. Everyone always sends them like the names that I'm supposed to know but that I don't know. He said, I was like, I don't know what case to do this week and he was like, there's been one a couple people sent and it's like Jody or something and I was like, oh, Jody Arias. I was like, yes, I can do that one. So Gary,
knew the name, but he didn't know anything about this case. There was so much evidence. And as we're watching these trials unfold and she's getting up on the stand, everyone's thinking, how are we even at trial? Like,
There is so much evidence against her. I mean, she obviously did it. And so then they go into trial and they're like, yeah, yes, she did it for sure. But this is why she did it. Then you have to imagine before they went to trial, no one knew about this secret sex life. No one knew about the kinkiness, the, you know, the deep dive into everything.
And all of this is exploited at trial. So can you imagine the media is just coming out? I mean, I feel like we will have moments like this with the Rexburg kids. With Chad and Lori? Yes. I feel like we will have moments at trial where we are like,
Blown away. What? No one had any idea that this happened. And that was kind of what happened with Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander was this nice little blonde woman who killed her boyfriend. And it was this all so much stuff involved. It was insane. Yeah.
Crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, so 13-year-old me was just... I mean, you did a really good job condensing it. I'm surprised we got it all into one episode. I mean, like I said, there was probably some... I mean, I could be like, and then she went to this place. It's in this city that we, you know, but...
We got to do what we got to do on this podcast. Like I said, there's plenty, plenty of other sources that really do more, you know, like deeper dive into all the nitty gritty little details. If you're wanting to know, you know what color of earrings she wore or whatever. But yeah, it's insane. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for listening. We love you guys so much. Also. Oh, I did forget to mention I'm wearing my or rate ring.
I really wanted to show you guys because we didn't add for them. And I finally got my ring that I ordered. And I'm so excited. I seriously love it. So yeah, if you want to check that out, it's Aurate. That's A-U-R-A-T-E. But yeah, I just wanted to slip that in really quick because I didn't want to miss it because I was really excited about that. But we will see you guys next week for another episode. I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.
