‘Wayne’s World’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt
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It's Wade. This is definitely the type of place I'm gonna get when I move out of my parents' house. It's Gar. I love you, man! Thank you! And they've sold out. You know, I thought I had mono once for an entire year. Turned out I was just really bored. Now they're out of the basement. Hi, Wade! And they're headed for greatness. Get the net! Wade's World. Hey, are you through yet? Cause I'm getting tired of holding this. Sure. That's what she said. Rated PG-13. Starts Friday, February 14th at theaters everywhere.

All right, Kyle Brand is here. Usually we do bad action movies and we celebrate the careers of Stallone and Van Damme. And I call him Von Dom and Van Damme. And, you know, I screw that up. But we're doing Wayne's World. This was a special request from you from like six months ago. Why? Yeah.

Really, really special movie to me. Saw it when I was 13 years old. Perfect age, perfect theater. First movie I ever went to with a girl. I put my arm around her for the whole movie. Laughed my ass off. And it's just a very special, very happy movie in which...

Two fastball throwers just were throwing heat for 90 straight minutes and just giving you everything they got. And on the rewatch, Bill, I probably haven't watched Wayne's World in total in like maybe 10 years. I find myself laughing through every scene. It's every scene brings something and it just makes me happy.

I was really worried because I had watched pieces, but I hadn't watched start to finish probably in five or six years, but had seen it. I don't know how many times in the nineties and two thousands. And I was a little worried. I was like, is this movie trapped in 92? Is producer Craig going to be shitting on it at the end of the podcast? Mm-hmm.

I laughed the entire time. And my wife came in for probably 40% of it. And she was just like, wow, this one really makes you giggle, huh? I was like, it just does. It hits my funny bone. Uh, I don't know why. I don't know why it's still funny. A lot of this stuff is so dated. I can't wait to talk about some of the dated stuff, but tied into SNL. Uh, this was the second sketch movie they ever turned into an action or a second sketch to actually turned into a movie. Um,

Improbable. I remember watching SNL in college and it was a 10 to one sketch. They used to call them. It was the last sketch before the closing credits where they were just kind of shove stuff that were like passion projects for the cast or like the weirdest sketch they had. And this was one of the, I think this and the Barry Gibb talk show,

are the two most famous 10 to one sketches. So they shove it in, they start doing it over and over again. It's right when Myers is starting to kind of take off first, when he joined the cast, it's like this guy's name's Mike Myers, like Michael Myers. Yeah. From Halloween. And quickly he had Wayne's world sprockets turns into a star and

And at some point, news came out they were making this movie. Yeah. So I don't know. Do you remember even hearing that when you were a teenager or an almost teenager? If I remember it right, and it was really special because I think 12 and 13 is the time when you kind of really start to think SNL is cool, especially in the 90s. And Carvey was amazing and Hartman in that era. And I was like in seventh grade. And we would come to school the next day and quote like Lothar of the Hill People or Unfrozen Caveman. We just thought it was so cool. If I have it right, I...

They ran a trailer for Wayne's World, and it was an Addams Family spoof that I think ran in the theater before the Addams Family, which was a huge deal. And it was Wayne and Garth singing the Addams Family theme and kind of forgetting the lyrics. And they were making a Wayne's World movie. And I had never, listen, Blues Brothers was before my time as a kid at that point. So the idea that something I watched on Saturday Night Live would be in a movie theater was electrifying, especially since Wayne and Garth were just so funny. And I love the music with it.

I think, first of all, you're lucky that this was your cast. And you're right. When you're 12, 13, your first SNL cast becomes your favorite cast. Yeah. I think this was the best four-year stretch in the history of the show. I think they had more important stretches. I think you could talk about the season three and four with Belushi and Aykroyd and Bill Murray and Gilda Radner. And you could say that. You could say...

Eddie's like two and a half year peak. Some people love that. I get it. You could say the Will Ferrell, basically late nineties leading into the Gore Bush election. You could talk about the cast with Sudeikis and Hader and Kristen Wiig and, uh, and Amy Poehler and all that. You could go there. Yeah.

I just think that from 89 to 92, the show had been around long enough that all the people who were on it had kind of grown up affected by it. So it was like second generation and they were just loaded. I think Carvey and Myers and Hartman and it was fucking, it's crazy. Look back at you, Farley and Sandler as like, just kind of coming off the bench, shooting a couple of threes as 10th men. And like you mentioned Lothar, um,

Like that's like a stealth SNL sketch, but that was the kind of shit they had all the time. The unfrozen caveman lawyer, all this like really, really crazy weird stuff. And they were just delivering every time. And it's also early nineties were pre even rudimentary internet. Yeah.

So to see the stuff on set, like try to imagine being about 14 years old and watching SNL on NBC and they, you see the Schmitz gay commercial for a gay beer. You couldn't fucking believe what you were watching. And there was no way to see that in the internet. And you would talk to your friends the next day at lunch, be like,

that was like a gay beer commercial. And then the guys came out on their bikinis. You could not fucking believe it. And it was Farley and Sandler. It was just like two all timers. It's a, it's a, it's a wonderful, wonderful time. And one of the best things that kicked out was Wayne's world, which is the best SNL movie and by far the most successful SNL movie. Yeah, that's true. I remember in college we would tape it cause we were out and we'd watch it on Sunday mornings.

And every once in a while, like they'd have like the Sinatra group sketch and we would just like, we couldn't handle it. I can't imagine the show. Now it's like everything's online immediately. There's just no way there's like the communal effect of the show. There's a really interesting, this is a dopey, stupid movie, right? That we love. But there's a really interesting theme that ties into the early nineties with it.

It's about the concept of selling out, which was the single most important theme of Gen X and is in a lot of the movies that are from this era, including some we've already done. It's the theme that drove Reality Bites. And this movie, even though it's stupid in a good way,

But ultimately it's about like, these guys had this great little cable access show. And then Rob Lowe, evil Hollywood executive comes in and he buys the show. He changes it. All of a sudden there's a narrator at the beginning party on Wayne and party on Garth. There's a, there's a fake theme song.

Wade's world, Wade's world. And it's just like, this was everyone's fear for whatever reason from 91 to 95. It was in all the music. It was in the TV. It was in the movies. Don't sell out. Stay true to yourself. Well, MTV, massive.

Very important to have music videos. I look at the year before this movie came out, Metallica does the Black Album with Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters, and took shit. Why are you doing a ballad? Why are you making these videos? And that was looked at as a sellout. And there's that line that when they finally finished the highly produced open of the TV show, and Wayne goes, party on, Garth. And Garth goes, I guess.

And that was like, that's a reaction to someone who just sold out. You're like, nothing else matters. They're a great song. And some people want to be like, I guess. Like that's the whole, in one line, that's the idea of reacting to selling out. You're right. I mean, the most important sellout moment of the entire 90s was, I think Pearl Jam was on.

Time Magazine? Yeah. Rage. And Eddie Vedder was devastated. It led to all of their album choices for the next four years. They were so upset that there was a possible people thinking that they were too mainstream, that they didn't care about their art, their music. And Cobain was always the North Star for this stuff. He was begrudgingly doing everything. All he wanted to do is care about his music. So anyway, the Waynesworld thing, which now it's 33 years later? Yeah.

It really makes sense that that became the North Star for this movie is like, can these guys keep their little...

randy k black's this thing i gotta say i didn't think the show the movie was gonna work um it just seemed inconceivable that they could drag it out for 90 minutes but my faith was in garth who i thought was an all-time comedic genius i love garth on the sketches and i was like man if they could really explore the studio space with garth maybe we'll have something with this movie and then garth is like you know the mvp of the movie he's amazing

Well, it speaks to, I know like we have the Devil Wears Prada award, right? And it's like, did this movie set out what it's the crazy thing. We watched this sketch for over three years and it's only in a basement and people come down, but you never leave the basement. And what they set out to achieve with this movie is let's see what their world looks like when they go up the stairs to the basement. They go up the state, they start this, the movie with like the normal sketch. Like I've seen Wayne's world before.

and then they go up the stairs and Wayne breaks the fourth wall immediately. And you're like, oh shit, this is cool. Like he's talking to the camera. And then five minutes into the movie, we're already at Bohemian Rhapsody and the thing's incredible. They do an amazing job of coming up the stairs. You're right. Probably the best of any sketch turned in. I mean, we talked about Blues Brothers last week, which I know big Chicago movie. I'm sure you've seen it a few times in your life. Same thing where it's like, how are they going to turn

this premise into this whole bigger world. The only hint that they could do this with the movie in Wayne's world was when they had the, uh, they had that great sketch with Aerosmith and Tom Hanks as like the groupie siblings, siblings. Um, but those Aerosmith guys came into, came into Wayne's world in the basement for a little bit.

And it was like, all right, this is weird. It's also kind of cool that Aerosmith is in Wayne's basement. And it kind of, to me, opened the door for possibilities. Well, it's Aerosmith, and it's the Madonna truth or dare spoof. Right. Where they're doing this big, heavily produced thing. And Wayne's like, I dare you to make out with me. And then it was like the biggest thing ever. So they did a little bit.

But I didn't think this movie could be as good as it is. And I think it's still excellent. You were talking about how much you were laughing. There's some of the stuff now when you watch that you laugh at because it's genuinely funny. I find myself laughing that we used to laugh at this because it's so stupid. But I promise you at the time, we laughed at it and it was cool. Well, Myers kicks off this whole...

era of like this absurdist meta referencing little stuff that had happened in the past leading to Austin Powers and all those movies. And this is like a 12 year run of just goofiness. You know, it's all the Jim Carrey movies. Yeah. It wasn't really until that 0304 range with old school and the Apatow movies that we moved into some new version of movie comedy. But I think Myers really set the tone here for about a decade.

Just be as goofy as possible. Yeah, listen, all the stuff when he talks about that they're making a movie, this is the Oscar clip, this is the gratuitous sex scene. Obviously, we're going to talk about the sponsorship scene, which is just iconic. You know what I find myself reminding of in a contemporary sense? I find myself thinking about Deadpool and these Ryan Reynolds movies in which...

He's constantly talking to camera, breaking fourth wall, talking about the movie itself. And Ryan Reynolds is a guy who grew up in Canada and I would guess probably idolized Mike Myers without knowing that. That's what kids are watching now. And there's a lot of Wayne's World in these massive Deadpool movies. Yeah, it just it just works, man. He talks to the camera and I get it. I feel like I'm hanging out with Wayne.

One of the other things from the early nineties, and I think the SNL would always, I've talked about it before, but SNL was, these are all kids raised on pop culture, right? We didn't have the internet. We didn't have all these different things. So we all kind of got the same jokes because we're all watching the same shows and the same movies.

And Myers was the best at that, I think of anyone on the show. And even like you see in this movie, like he's ripping off a Laverne and Shirley parody where they see the sign and he's like, you know what? We're doing a shot by shot Laverne and Shirley parody. And it's like, I was the, I'm like a hundred percent the audience for that. I'm like, are they doing this? Oh, we're doing it. And I just think now I don't know what that is in 2025. I think it would be so hard to find common ground with everybody watching anything.

That they would get like, oh shit, I bet he's about to do the Vernon Shirley shot for shot. And then they do it.

It's they they do a really deeply produced Laverne and Shirley listens to music that probably took them two weeks to shoot that thing. It was so important. And it's like it's so unbelievably dated for someone watching now. And I just think that that was one thing that was tough for me is that now that I watch it at 13, there were so many refs. I didn't know who Dick Van Patten was. I didn't know Ravi Shankar and all that shit. Like I barely knew Laverne and Shirley. The two Darrens?

Do you know the two Darrens from Bewitched? Sergeant York, all that. I didn't know any of that stuff. It was still funny the way he was saying it, so I would laugh. But you probably got that stuff. I got all of it. I've said this before, but the SNL sketch that was one of the most dated sketches that was also a Hall of Fame sketch was when Susan Day from the Partridge family was on. And they did a Brady Bunch versus Partridge family kind of musical showdown. And Chris Farley was Ruben.

And they were able to use the whole cast. And it was just like, this is it, man. You guys have nailed it. This is my entire childhood in one sketch. And Wayne, a lot of the stuff that he did, Myers on the show as Wayne and Sprockets. And he was always kind of dipping back into the 70s and 80s. And then eventually with Austin Powers, just became like 60s James Bond movies crossed with English spy movies as like this whole thing. Anyway, Myers.

So he's a real star at this point. I don't know if he's the biggest star in the show, but he was probably the one doing the most interesting stuff. I think Hartman was the best guy on the show. Carvey was probably the biggest star.

And Myers was like, you just kind of never knew what was next for him. What he would, he would always be kind of zagging doing like coffee talk all of a sudden and always like taking pretty big character swings, which you don't see in the show anymore. Well, Hartman was the ultimate glue guy in that he, you know, he would do some solo stuff, but he could tie it together with the cast Myers stuff where you really shine was either him by himself, like Simon or like Lothar mostly, or Wayne and Garth. But like,

like a sketch comedy prodigy. The backstory for him is everyone tells their audition story. Mike Myers did not audition for SNL. He was doing a display at the second city in Toronto. Martin short saw him and called Lorne Michaels and said, you have to hire this guy. Did not audition was hired. That's like, that's unheard of no audition. And he came on in the middle of a season, mid season replacement. And by the end of the season, he was already doing these, these characters and then became a star really fast.

It's funny. This happens sometimes on the show where the person joins the show, either start of the season or sometimes mid season. And you know, right away, like Kristen wig was on, it was like within two episodes, like, Oh, this is easy. Hater was like that. Um, and Myers was definitely like that. What's weird is there were some people that,

I remember really like... Andy Stenberg's another good one. I remember Ben Stiller... Yep. ...had a couple really funny things during... I think he was only on for like eight, nine episodes, but it seemed like they had something there and it just didn't happen. Sarah Silverman was another one. She was on Weekend Update a few times and I thought killed. And we were like, who's this? This girl's great. And then...

And then was gone. So I don't know what Lauren's calculus is for some of these. That's the weirdest niche, dude. That is the guys where you're like, oh, that person. Jay Moore, Downey Jr., Stiller. Those really talented people who just didn't fit or something. Tim Robinson was a latest one. Like the mid-2010s just didn't make it and probably should have. So Myers, pretty... And there's been a few SNL books and there's been a lot written about the show pretty early on.

It's clear he's an artist. He's a little bit of an atypical SNL cast member, a little difficult. And this becomes part of the Myers kind of legacy as we go from the last couple of years, SNL, Wayne's World, all the way through Austin Powers. There's multiple like...

really harsh pieces written about him, like a Vanity Fair piece in 2000. There's an Entertainment Weekly. You can go find these pieces online. He said his dad died in 1991 and he kind of went on a spiritual quest after that and just, he admits that he got a little strange. But the Carvey stuff with this movie, Carvey versus Myers and all of the research and which a lot of people know is this, I didn't know any of it in the early 90s,

a really fascinating part of this movie. Myers didn't want Carvey in the movie. He wanted it to just be Wayne. After the movie, a couple years later, he kind of openly steals Carvey's Dr. Evil, which was a Lorne Michaels impersonation, just turns it into Dr. Evil, and Carvey's pissed about it for 20 years. They don't talk. And that becomes part of the baggage of this movie in a not great way. Do you care?

I care now. And it goes back deep. Myers would do Wayne for years before SNL. It would be part of his Second City stuff. He had this character named Wayne. Gets to SNL and he's like, all right, I want to do Wayne. He's this guy who likes heavy metal and is funny. And they're like, no, you got to have a wingman. You got to have somebody else. He tells the story that he said, all right, I picked Dana Carvey because he was the best person in the cast. But then I also hear that he doesn't want him in the movie, even though he's in the sketch.

And I've heard you guys talk about the Dr. Evil stuff, which is, Carvey has said it. I mean, I think he was on Howard Stern saying, it's not just the voice. When I would do Lorne Michaels, I would do the backwards pinky finger too, which is basically how Mike Myers ended up printing money. And in the lens of Dana Carvey going on to not have a huge movie career, it's rough, man. I mean, I don't like hearing about it.

And Carvey said it was a complete betrayal. I guess in the last couple of years, they've buried the hatchet.

They're apparently good friends now and they're doing the whole thing. And I think, I think Myers has apologized to him, but I think especially in the SNL circles, the people around the show, the writers, I think they were kind of shocked by the Dr. Evil thing for two reasons. One, that it was such a blatant Lauren invitation. And then two, that he's took this thing that Carvey did. Now the counter would be everybody imitated Lauren. You imitate your boss. That's what you do. But, but yeah,

According to the research, Mike didn't want Dana in the movie. He acted like a crazy star on the set. The director did not like him. By 2008, Entertainment Weekly wrote about Myers, his unique brand of humor driven by outside absurdist characters, psych eggs, and elaborately constructed and at times esoteric wordplay.

may be falling out of fashion as audiences drift toward more grounded, relatable comedies like Knocked Up. But then they add, the degree of enmity directed toward Myers by some who've worked with him, even years after the fact, is rare.

Says one executive who added a rocket relationship with buyers. I honestly root against him. And there's way more stuff. And it's just like one guy, there's another exact in that thing. He's like, he's a great conversationalist. Fun to talk to. It's all brain. He's not able to intuit anything real or natural about human experience. The truth is for a lot of comedians, there's like a degree of Asperger's syndrome. He just seemed, his just seems more acute.

These are things written in national magazines about Mike Myers. So difficult guy made Wayne's World 2, making that happen, difficult too. And guess what? I don't care because the movie made me laugh the entire time I watched it. I love it. It bothers me to hear it, but then when I watch the movie, I instantly forget it. And you know how he must have been a really, really strong person I'd have to deal with? Wayne's World is his first ever movie. He has never appeared in any movie scene of any kind. He's the lead in this movie, and he's still not happy.

to be there at all and not like, wow, great. I get to make a movie still causing that many problems. And that's how strong opinionated he was. Tough. Carvey had done Opportunity Knocks, a movie that didn't make it. And this ends up being the most successful movie that he's in. There's a lot of mystery why he wasn't a bigger movie star, why he didn't, why at least he didn't have like a Will Ferrell arc. And I don't really have the answer. And I don't know at the very least why

He didn't have some sort of like John C. Reilly type of comedy career where maybe he's not the main guy, but he's always in great parts for eight, nine years. He had some sort of illness at some point. I forget if it was the late 90s, early 2000s. I think that screwed it up a little bit. He had a family. Maybe he didn't want it as badly as some others, but I feel like we're like four Dana Carvey great movie parts short looking back now.

I have several thoughts on this for one of my flex categories today. Okay. We'll save it. Yeah. Save it. We can talk about that. You know, we can talk about Rob Lowe's comeback movie. Come on now. Let's go. We love Rob Lowe in this podcast. Rob Lowe. Uh,

incredible eighties, just banging out hits, huge part of the pop culture. And then, uh, had a, had a sex tape thing and it seemed like his career was over, but Lorne Michaels loved him because he was a great SNL host. He hosted one of the best SNL episodes of that entire era. We put one of the sketch was sketches was, uh, he played Carcinio. No, no, he didn't play Carcinio. He played, uh, he played Arsenio. Yeah. Um, and had like these long fingers and was just doing the whoop, whoop,

He was amazing. It was like, Rob Lowe's funny? Nobody had any idea. So Michaels filed it away and then cast him as the evil TV executive. I watched this morning. It's the 1990 episode that Rob Lowe hosted. The opening monologue is very strange. He comes out and he hasn't made a movie in two years and he's hosting SNL.

He has this videotaped scandal with these young women, and it was dicey as hell. And as he's going through the monologue, they have plants in the audience, and they're yelling at him, I have a daughter! And everyone kind of laughs nervously. And then Lovitz comes up and says, you know, Rob, I'll take it from here. It's a very odd monologue, but became a very good episode. Yeah, and there is...

I think he, maybe he was in sprockets, but I just remember, I just remember him being great. And, uh, and by the time he got into this movie, wasn't surprising. He ends up being in Tommy boy and it, it resuscitates his career. He ends up on a West wing. He's really good in this. Michael's picked a director who had only made really music documentaries. Who's in her mid forties. Penelope Spheeris. Yep.

Because he liked their documentaries and he felt like this needed a hard-driving musical edge. It was a very unusual choice. It worked because the movie's good. It was written by Bonnie and Terry Turner who had an SNL pedigree and went on to write a whole bunch of stuff. $20 million budget. $183.1 million it makes. It's the 10th biggest movie of 1992. Phenomenon. Had to have a sequel, which we'll talk about later. Roger Ebert

Three stars. Good. Good. See? He said, I walked into Wayne's World expecting a lot of dumb, vulgar comedy, and I got plenty. But I also found what I didn't expect, a genuinely amusing, sometimes even intelligent undercurrent. Raj! He's back. Raj likes story and comedy. All right. We're going to take a break, and then we're going to do the categories. Great days start with great underwear, and Tommy John makes the greatest.

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Stop by a Warby Parker store near you. Mixing it up a little bit. I'm starting with what's the most 1992 thing about this movie? Okay. Because the answer is actually everything. But I'll give you some choices and then feel free to throw in some more. There's a commercial for the Clapper. Yeah. Great Poupon parodies.

Alice Cooper, Meatloaf, Nostalgic Casting. Laura Flynn Boyle, when she was kind of like- Hell yes. Kind of a little bit hot career-wise. Yeah. There's a conversation about the two Darren Stevenses that I guarantee producer Craig wasn't following. You have cameos from Ione Sky, who was in Say Anything. Ed O'Neill, who's in Married with Children and Chris Farley. You have Donna Dixon.

About 10 years removed from being a true TV babe icon from bosom buddies who now married to Dan Akron. Portable CD players in a car. Yeah. That just made me happy. Rob Lowe's ties. I don't know if you noticed some of the ties he had. That was like that era that was in with just like the craziest designs possible. You never wear one of those ties on a TV set now. Never. People would think you were like trying to raise money for some sort of charity. Yeah.

successful arcade owners might be my pick. Kids keep coughing up quarters. And then a Scooby-Doo ending would be my last one. Is there anything else you would have for this? You got mine in there. I mean, we missed it. Chia Pet is in there. Empire Carpeting. I know we're going to talk Needle Drop later, but Ugly Kid Joe was just amazing. And that

I hate everything about you. Right. But when he's driving with Cassandra and he has the dashboard mounted Discman CD player who then he opens up and she says, wow, look at the CD player. And then the song he puts on is a deep cut chili pepper song that is the B side to under the bridge. That is my answer. That's holy shit. That's good. It's beautiful. I,

I think I had four different versions of that card because it would just get stolen. The moment you forgot to lock a door or leave a window open, that thing was just getting pulled out. Did you have the one where you would put a cassette tape in and the cassette had wires that came out of it that went to the CD player? Oh, yeah. I had that one. That was like the first one.

I had that. Yeah. Did you? Yeah. That's great. I was definitely playing. It got pretty good on that. Um,

What's the perfect age to see this movie? What did you have for this? Initially, I was going to say 13 because of your entry to SNL, but I missed so many of the jokes. I think it's actually what Wayne's age is in this movie, which is a little debatable, but he's living with his parents and I think he's like 23. I think out on your own, but maybe you have a crappy job and you live to have bands and music on the weekend. What do you think?

I think college really hit home in college, but I think it's like sophomore, junior, senior college somewhere in there. It's perfect. Cause yeah,

a lot of the pop culture stuff you have to be kind of old enough to get yeah I never watched Bewitched but I got the two Darren's joke like there wasn't a single joke in that movie that I didn't get even though so I was just old enough to have a history for it and then the Devil Wears Prada word for is this movie actually perfect for to try to do I'm gonna say yes yeah they said it's like a 9.7 yeah and a wholly fully realized world with friends and characters and rock bands it was great most rewatchable scene opening scene

You think it's an SNL sketch and then it blows out. Bohemian Rhapsody. Let's go. I think we'll go with a little Bohemian Rhapsody, gentlemen. Good call. I see a little silhouette of a man. Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the bandai? Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me. Probably my answer. It brings me the most joy. The first time they did it,

When are the first time you saw the movie kind of didn't know what was happening and it was so goofy and silly, but so much fun to watch. It kind of resuscitated queen. Yes. Not that queen was dead, but I, all of a sudden the song was number two. It had been out for, I don't know how many years it rose to number two in the rankings. Cause the music video, everything about it. And then a great Chicago foot. I mean, it's a war, but it's like, there's a couple of Chicago adjacent landmarks. What else did you like? I, you,

You can't say enough about the Bohemian Rhapsody scene. That was the takeaway from this movie for the masses. That's why it was a big hit. And I think it's really interesting because if you have some of it in the research, like Myers insisted that it was Bohemian Rhapsody. It was a queen song. It's old at that point. It's not a 90s song. Myers loves everything British. And then allegedly there was pushback from Lorne Michaels who wanted it to be Welcome to the Jungle.

And Myers eventually won. And I think he won. I'll tell you why. I saw this movie at 13 years old. I had never heard Bohemian Rhapsody in my life. I didn't know what the hell that song was. I don't know. This Beelzebub and all that shit they're talking about and the headbanging was crazy to me. And a kind of a cool thing, like when the Bohemian Rhapsody movie came out with Rami Malek, I, through the NFL, got to interview the four guys in the band, like Rami Malek and the three other dudes. Yeah.

And I asked them, I said, so when did you guys first hear Queen's music? And these are pretty erudite, smart, like mostly British actors outside of Rami. And I thought they'd be like, oh, you know, my vinyl collection of my father. Every single one in the band said Wayne's World, Wayne's World, Wayne's World. I all heard Rami Malek won an Oscar playing Freddie Mercury. And he first heard Freddie Mercury in the Murphmobile in Wayne's World. That is so cool. That's a big deal.

I was not, you know, we, we didn't have a lot of musical choices in the eighties from a library standpoint. Cause rocket only really existed since the late sixties. Yeah. Bohemian Rhapsody was not like a song that I was put on mixtapes. It was not a song. We were cranking. It was, it completely reinvented the song, even though the song was there the whole time and then became this legendary song. I'm sure like the giant diehard queen fans, but no, no, that was, we always knew that was like, I'm just saying like for the general population, like,

It was always, we are the champions and another one bites the dust. We're like the two giant queen dust songs. Yeah, exactly. And it made me think, if you could have picked a better song in 1992, and I was thinking, if they had dropped Smells Like Teen Spirit in that scene, would that have totally changed the movie? It came out in 91. They're probably shooting the movie in 91. It would have worked and been cool, but there was something timeless and nostalgic about Bohemian Rhapsody that just worked. And Myers was right.

Myers was right. Apparent allegedly threatened to walk off the set if they didn't listen to him on it. I think from a nostalgia standpoint, what we talked about earlier with like, this is a movie made by people raised by seventies and eighties pop culture. It made sense. And it's just fucking funny. It's like, it's campy. It's good. The music video, which was on for a year and it always ended with Myers, get out of the car and doing that thing with the, with his hands. Um,

I can't tell you how many times I watched it. That was the Hyde MTV. That was the Beavis and Butthead era. Great Chicago footage. It has the stop by to look at the guitar. It will be mine. Oh, yes. It will be mine. It has the stealth Garth not knowing the words. So funny. Where they cut to him. He's just moving his little curled lips while it's nothing really mad. And he's way off. I love that part of it.

I think it wins two extra awards. The Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. And then the, okay, motherfucker! The award for the exact moment when the movie just goes up a notch. Because it's like, oh, it's just going to be a Wayne's World sketch. And they're going to look at the camera and it's like, oh, shit. Now we're doing Bohemian Rhapsody and a 1976 Pacer? Yes. That's what we're doing? Yes.

And it goes right into the cop when they meet the cop. Does anyone smell bacon? I don't know. It still makes me laugh. I definitely smell a pork product of some kind. Officer Koharski. Great. Next one. Stan Makeda's donuts right into the nightclub. I'm just combining those scenes. Ed O'Neill is Glenn, the manager. He's a fucking serial killer, apparently. Donna Dixon, Stacy, the psycho hose beast.

We go to the nightclub, we get Meatloaf as the manager, which was like really, really impressive stunt casting in 1992. I don't know if the impact's still there. And it's all a wide shot. They never even zoom in on Meatloaf's face. You're like, is that fucking Meatloaf you're trying to see on the VHS? And it is. Yeah. We get the shitty Beatles mentioned.

Are they any good? They stuck. So it's not just a clever name. We find out Crucial Taunt is just wrapping up their set. Yep. We get Tia Carrera singing Fire. Garth Taser is doing somebody, Dreamweaver, another callback to a big 70s song. And then my favorite part of this whole scene when he's trying to hit on Tia Carrera after and he says, Cassandra. Cassandra. Rough night, huh? Everybody's kung fu fighting. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, nice meeting you. Hey, hold on. Can I call you sometime? You got five bucks. You can come to the red party. It's at my loft. I'm there. And then for us, like they'd use this in the sketches, but she makes me feel kind of funny. Like when I climbed the rope in gym class was a joke for the entire nineties for me with my friends. We would say every girl we would talk about like that.

We would say that, and then we would say, at first it's constrictive, and then after a while it becomes a part of you, like the new pair of underpants. What you just described is like the first 12 to 15 minutes of the movie, and it's absolutely perfect. There's fun camera play where Garth's like, oh, what's that over there? And then he fakes out the camera and runs away. It's all so fun. A lot of these comedies from the 80s and 90s, the first hour or the first 45 minutes is usually the best part. And I think this...

This probably leans that way too. The first hour is just a home run, but the first 15, 20 minutes is not a wasted minute. Really great. Really funny. Next one. Rob Lowe offers them a contract. They're at that bar with that big, big drink. The pineapple thing up front. Yeah. We're between lawyers right now. And then Garth says, I grabbed him by his big fat head. I said, listen, man, I'm not going to go to jail for you or anybody.

We get the Twilight Zone analogy, too, and then we got $5,000 theme song. I really like that scene. Everybody used to walk around saying, I've got $5,000. That's one of the thousand things you'd say from this movie, and it's a fun little scene, and Lo is good in it, as usual. Watching airplanes take off is really fun when they're talking about Tia. In French, she would be called Le Bernard. She's Babraham Lincoln. Yeah.

Baby Majora. That stuff worked. We were all laughing at that stuff back then. It was awesome. Craig, without spoiling your take at the end, did you find that funny or absolutely ridiculous? The Abraham Lincoln? Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah, I love that stuff. Okay, good. Great deal. Bugs Bunny.

Was Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress? It's an argument when you're lying on a car watching airplanes go by. I don't know. It would have made time. And then at the end, Garth just says, no, neither did I. I was just asking. The Foxy Lady scene is probably Carvey's greatest minute in the movie. And he's just a really special comic talent. I don't know if anyone else other than maybe Jim Carrey pulls that off.

From a physical standpoint, just really good. Foxy lady. Here I come, baby. I'm coming to get you. Why don't you just go to the hospital? Why don't you just go to the hospital? Why don't you go?

Yeah, when I was watching this, one of the times I laughed the hardest when my wife goes, what are you watching? Is at the very end when they go tight on Garth and he goes, here I come, girl. I'm coming to get you. And he's just like super sex machine with that stupid wig and glasses. And Carvey is so, so funny. Well, I have this team with Myers in the underwear scene because both of them just physically are so funny in that. But Myers trying to mess with her when she's on the phone. He's in his underwear and he's walking around and

it's just like it's he does some of that and so I married an axe murderer too it's just like it's I'm just gonna laugh I'm sorry I'm always gonna think that's funny Rob Lowe's apartment next rewatchable scene a fully functional babe lair yeah he's got a Rolodex Wayne orders the cream of some young guy I laughed hmm who wants Chinese takeout I know a great place I'll have the cream of some young guy

I couldn't help it. When that line came out for the next 20 years, anytime anyone was ordering Chinese food, someone would say, I'll have the cream of some young guy. You had to say it. Rob Lowe orders in Cantonese. I still say it. This guy's good. The first new Wayne's World show I have in there with the Noah Arcades, the present sign where they're like, what the fuck is going on? Wayne's World.

The generic announcer. Wayne changes the index cards. That's great. Then Wayne gets fired. Garth has toast. And then I put the third ending. It's pretty funny. All the ending. The super happy ending makes me laugh. Anything else you got?

it's just those index cards it's not just that he writes he blows goats he says i have proof and that line always kills me on the car he has proof that he blows goats and just the stupid little stuff like we haven't talked much about not yet i know we'll get there but like he introduced him he goes here's our sponsor noah vanderhoff nice name not and i laughed when i watched that last night yeah so what do you got for most virtual rhapsody um

It's the most memorable scene. For me, the Makita's Into the Gas Works is the best stretch of this movie, and it's unbelievably good. I would go with that. What's aged the best? We talked about all the Myers-Carvey, just the intrigue of their relationship aged really nicely. A Chris Farley cameo. It's great to see him. First time ever in a movie. Super early for him, too. Yeah, and he was funny, and he was doing his...

They come up through Chicago and you can tell like that guy totally has it. He's talking about cities and I'm laughing. I mentioned the music video, the no stairway to heaven sign in the music store. Okay.

Just great. I don't know if that still happens, but that was the go-to song for anybody learning how to tune a guitar in 1992. And there's weird shit with that, where everybody had the VHS of Wayne's World. I think it was even one you could get at McDonald's if you ordered a value meal. And he would start that scene, and Wayne would play these three bizarre notes that sounded nothing like Stairway to Heaven. Because they couldn't get the rights. Right. So the story there is...

they couldn't, they wouldn't pay Led Zeppelin to even play those three notes. So they, it doesn't sound anything like stairway. The joke doesn't make sense, but we just went with it for years. So in the research, they said they didn't want to pay the a hundred thousand dollars for the VHS and the DVD. And so instead they mangled the movie.

It's $100,000. I can't imagine how many people bought the Wayne's World VHS. Like they definitely could have paid for it. And it fucked up the movie like forever. And then when they finally did like the Blu-ray, I think three years ago, they fixed it. If you watch it on Amazon now, just if you rent it for three bucks, it's the notes from Stairway to Heaven. And it totally makes sense. And the joke is there. Everyone, even though it didn't make sense, we would still all talk about no stairway. It's the joke still lived without it making any sense at all.

I mean, you could buy it for five bucks on Amazon. It was half price because I think it was because S&O week. Yeah, I have more. What do you have for what's the best? We talk about Tia Carrera's performance. Like, I fucking love her in this movie. And the fact that they chose her and where she came from, like Tia Carrera was from Hawaii. She had done all these weird, stupid little shows that they did back there, like Airwolf or Love Boat, that type of stuff.

and was going to do Baywatch and did this movie. And as far as I've read and understood, does all of the singing. That's actually her. It's not like Marty McFly with a fake voice singing Go Johnny Go. That's actually her singing. I love her in this movie. Love it.

I had a different spot for her later. I'm happy to do this now. I never understood why she wasn't in more stuff. And she wasn't bad. She was in True Lies. She was in some good stuff. She had a good career. She was a Curb Your Enthusiasm. She played Richard Lewis's girlfriend. Yeah, yeah. But everybody I knew loved her. Yeah. And I almost feel like this feels like yet another Hollywood failing somebody who is actually talented. But there was some...

There was some extra awesome part for her that I don't know what it was. And cause she was really like really talented, very, very talented, obviously beautiful, but also like cool with the comedy. I'm sure you appreciate her in rising sun with Connery and Snapes. Like that came a few years later too. Come on. I know you're talking to, I know you're on that. Who are you talking to? Yeah. I thought she hung with the comedy really well and was like a good wingman. Cause we've seen, you know, especially in these nineties, 2000 comedies,

I thought Beyonce really struggled in the third Austin Powers movie, but Heather Graham, even though I wouldn't call her the greatest actress, was kind of good at playing off

Off Austin. But then Elizabeth Hurley, who I wouldn't have expected, was really good. You just kind of never know. And they would just always throw in. But she was great, I thought, with playing off Wayne. She's hanging in with that scene and the subtitles. That's like high comedy when it's they're going back and forth and they have to wait and the timing is there. And like Myers is just cooking. And I'm never like this girl's over her skis at all.

I just think she does a really, really good job in the movie. And like, I'm always, I'm a lifetime fan of her just because she's Cassandra. Yeah. And also I think she has a really critical role and like her casting in this role bill keeps this from maybe being the whitest movie of all time. It's still probably in conversation, but if, if, if they cast somebody else who's not her, it's the whitest movie ever made from start to finish. But I think Aurora, Illinois, I think maybe that was one of the things that we're going for. Yeah. I, I, uh, Craig, uh,

Bringing you in again, Tia Carrera. What, what, what were your thoughts watching this? And what did you leave with? Like wondering what she, what other stuff she did?

I watched Curb, so I remember her from Curb. But the first time I really saw her in a movie was when we did True Lies. Yeah. I thought she was kind of like, honestly, a replaceable character in that. Like you could have probably slotted a lot of people in. I thought she was awesome in this. I assumed she was lip syncing, but watching the film, I was like, man, she's doing either the best lip syncing job I've ever seen or she's actually singing. I thought she was awesome and had great comedic timing.

Yeah. Hollywood failed her. Also very good looking. Yeah. Hollywood failed her. There was a couple other places. There was also not a lot of people like her in Hollywood at that time. So too bad. What else do you have? The soundtrack. Musically, this movie drops at a really interesting time, Bill. The hair metal thing is just kind of dying and grunge is just showing up. And my take on the soundtrack is that

Singles is looked at as the grunge movie and it has total credibility and it's very, very cool. Are you doing this? Doing which?

I just want to put my seatbelt on if you're going where I think you're going. This is a much more fun, more watchable movie than Singles that has at least one foot in grunge. They play a Temple of the Dog song in this. It's called All Night Thing. They were there early, and it was cool. I like this movie much more than Singles. It's not as serious and maybe not quite as smart, I guess, but it has total credibility in hair metal and grunge.

I had it in what stage the best, because it does a nice job of seventies, early eighties, nostalgia stuff like dream Weaver, be me in Rhapsody. It also has black Sabbath. It has Eric Clapton, Alice Cooper with feed my Frankenstein, which I guess he insisted on his manager wanted him to play that instead of one of his hits. You have Tia career dude in the ballroom blitz with the re-recording of that one.

And the Red Hot Chili Peppers song you mentioned and a whole bunch of other stuff. Hendrix. And Hendrix, which is probably the most fun Hendrix song you could have put in a movie other than Hey Joe. But it's basically three different genres of music that they're weaving into it. I know. I also thought, what was Tia's band? I'm blanking. Crucial Taunt. The Crucial Taunt wasn't bad.

Kind of like a high-end club band. Like if you were on a Wednesday night in Aurora, like, oh, Crucial Taunts playing? This is great. Got this mega babe for a lead singer. Yeah. Yeah, they're awesome. I love them. A couple more would say it's the best. Dutch door action? Great. First he screws me, then he screws you. It's Dutch door action. I used to say that all the time. Is that a real thing, or do you think Myers invented that on the spot?

Well, a Dutch door is one that is kind of cut in half in the middle, I think, and the top opens and then the bottom. But it almost sounds like an ad lib. I've never heard Dutch door action when it pertains to how you treat someone. Is that a possible production company for you? Dutch door action productions? Your new production company? Yeah, we make porn. It's great. Rob Lowe saying literally in this movie, then apparently on Parks and Rec, that became like the guy's catchphrase that he played on Parks and Rec.

So apparently, did you not watch Parks and Rec though? I saw some of them. I didn't see all of them. I'm the same boat. I wasn't a huge Parks and Rec guy. Yeah. Um,

I didn't put this as a rewatchable scene because I only really like one part, but the Alice Cooper, the Millie Wacke. Fantastic. One of my college roommates, Chip Cain, was from Milwaukee, and we just changed it to Millie Wacke from that point on. We went to see him. We're like, we're going to go to Millie. I'd never heard it before. We loved it. Got like a...

six, seven years out of that. Which is Algonquin for the good land. One of the most interesting things about Milwaukee, Bill, it's the only major American city to have elected three socialist mayors. Cooper is great in that. He really is. Apparently he didn't know he was going to have dialogue and they just threw like all this dialogue at him. He's like, all right, I got it. Yeah.

He thought he was just like doing like a handshake scene. He didn't realize he was speaking. That dynamic of that scene where they're just like, party. Oh, my God, it's Alex Cooper. And he's like, well, Milwaukee certainly had a share of visitors over the years. It's excellent. And by the way, another thing that just everybody does when you have the backstage pass and you just hold it out in front of you to show everyone, that's what became because of this movie. You did it. Yeah, I had that too.

the, also the blue screen taping, not quite good enough for a rewatchable scene, but when they're in the different cities and then it gets to Delaware, it's hi, I'm in Delaware.

Um, really funny. Cause I have, uh, some of the Simmons family lives in Delaware. So we got a lot of enjoyment. That still hangs around to this day. You know what that line is like? It is like in sideways. I'm not drinking any fucking Merlot. Right. And then for Merlot is dead for decades. Anytime you mentioned Delaware to someone of a certain age, you just say, hi, I'm in Delaware. It's permanent. Right. The brand of content segments. Funny.

It's fantastic. For 1992, it was right when we were kind of losing our minds with people shoehorning products and this stuff. How'd you feel about street hockey and Blackhawks jerseys?

I felt great in a random sports scene out of nowhere. And it gave us the chorus of game on car. It's it's I love that part. It's great. They don't need to have that. They could be sitting on bar stools just talking about Benjamin. They go out and play some sports. It's pleasing to the eye. And then you get Stacey driving by and crashing into the Trans Am or what? And that's a laugh out loud moment. And that was in the in the trailer. I remember.

Like the commercial when they were running a commercial endlessly. It was always her going into it. Led Zeppelin didn't write tunes that everyone liked. They left that to the Bee Gees. It just stays the best. People still love the Bee Gees. 33 years later, Wayne was calling it. So Carvey did his own drum playing for the music shop scene and is apparently a talented drummer. That was really him and just 100% authentic. Yeah, we watched that sketch for four years and he kind of just drums on his legs a little bit. But then they put in like this long drum solo and I guess he's really talented.

Would you have lusting after Claudia Schiffer in what's aged the best or what's aged the worst? Or both? Probably best for me. I mean, I'm a fan of Claudia. Best for me, but I don't know if it's aged well because like, does how many people under like 35 remember Claudia Schiffer? Oh, yeah. Well, she shows up in Love Actually. And so people actually know that movie really well. And so that's timeless. I think they might know her. I have two more what's aged the best.

I kind of enjoy Tia's music. I'm just going to be honest. I listen to it. She's doing all covers. I enjoyed the passion. She's really into it. Good performer. Just kind of fun to watch. It could have gone way worse is my point. She, the crucial taunt set list. You have fire and you got ballroom blitz. And then she's got that one. That's got ain't got no reason for reaction. Yeah. That's cool. And then it's like a, why are you gonna break my heart? Ooh, it's,

That's probably the worst one and it's still solid. It's a cheesy ballad. I have their band comp. It's a little bit of Lita Ford, which is the touch of hole. And it's a pretty cool band. I like Crucial Taunt. Yeah, it's like before it's time, not as good hole. I like the Lita Ford. I think you're right there. All right. Bits that age the best. We'll also be doing this for what stage the worst. Okay. No way. Way. I think still works. All the time. Thumbs up.

Yeah, that's what she said. Still funny. That's pre-office. That's pre-Michael Scott. That's what she said. Will you hurry up? I'm getting tired of holding this. That's what she said. Crushed it. Still works. I believe I requested the hand job. Still funny. The Terminator 2 cop, which should be dated, the cameo, but I think still works because that movie's iconic and everybody knows who the Terminator 2 cop is and it's still good.

that's this movie just hitting you with every fastball that possibly, it doesn't need to have that. 91, Terminator 2 comes out and the next year they get Robert Patrick to show up. Have you seen this boy? And everybody in the theater lost their fucking minds, brought the house down. It was really cool. I love that part. That was probably the, one of the three biggest movies in 1991. So it was a good cameo. And then I still feel like the Oscar clip

extreme close-up. All that stuff still works. I wasn't embarrassed laughing at it. When he reaches for the water and throws it on his face, I like it. It makes me laugh. The gratuitous sex scene, I like that.

What doesn't work? What do you got? Great shot, Gord or a word for most cinematic shot. Probably something with the airplane flying over them, the way they shot it with those guys down. I mean, this isn't like the crazy best directing. I like the meta answer is when Wayne goes, camera one, camera two, camera one, camera two. Okay, that's good. Actually doing a shot.

Would you have for the Chess Rockwell and Brocklanders Award for best character name? Would you go with Garth Algar or would you go something else? Those are great names. Garth Algar at the time. But also remember that one of the largest entertainers in the world was Garth Brooks. And there was only two people I can think of ever named Garth. And then Algar, Garth Algar is an awesome name.

All right, flex category. I gave you a couple choices, sent you all the backup categories. What do you got for us? I'm going to go with an old classic on the rewatchables. I'm going to go with the racehorse fantasy team name, band name, because there's just so many of it. We mentioned Dutch Door Action.

My buddy Aaron, whose Bar Mitzvah theme was Aaron's World in homage to Wayne's World, he named his fantasy team the Shitty Beatles. There's Psycho Hose Beast, but the best one by far for a horse, band name, or anything is Pralines and Dick. If Benjamin was an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and Dick. I still laugh at that, too. Pralines and Dick is a horse name. Perfect.

That's great. I love that one. Butch's girlfriend award, weak link of the film. This is hard. I'd say I I'm nitpicking cause I love this movie, but the last like 25 minutes probably just isn't as good as the first hour would be my nitpick. Once they're trying to get to Jackie sharp, the record exact, you know, it's all these comedies have the same issue. Would you have gone with something else?

Mine is a little outside the box. My problem with this movie, how and why is Phil Hartman not in this movie? Why was there not a place for him with Carvey's love for him and his working with him in so many other movies? I have it two different parts. He could have been Glenn, which was the Ed O'Neill role, but Ed O'Neill was great in that. And you have him as Officer Koharski and he's talking about body cavity searches and it's really funny. Well, and also he had him in So I Married an Axe Murderer. So it's not like he did. And he also stole that movie for five minutes.

I even thought he could have played the guy who owned the record company at the end. Oh, the record company. Mr. Big, Frank. Myers and he, very close. If you want an unusual watch, Myers shows up in an awards show after the horrible, horrible death of Hartman and his wife and gives a very unusual address on the stage. But the takeaway from it was that he was really close to him and his family and they loved working together. I don't know why Phil Hartman is not in Wayne's World.

You know, they filmed it right before that SNL season started. And that part of it was that 37 days to make the movie. And then they had to get right to the first week SNL. And I wonder maybe if Hartman just had like the month off or something. It's a great point though. We're gonna take a break and then we'll do what's the worst.

All right. What's age the worst? I got to say it, an extended Laverne and Shirley parody for anyone under 35. It's just flying right over your head. There's no way you're getting one moment of that. I can't even believe Laverne and Shirley was the number one show. It got to number one. It was the number one show in like 1980. It was the biggest show on TV, 1979, 1980, somewhere in there. And now nobody would even know what that meant.

Well, think about that, though. You said 1980. They're shooting this in 91. That show is already really, really old. It's like looking at right now doing a movie that's, I don't know, like a lost parody or something like that, or maybe Modern Family, which was bigger. It'd be Modern Family, I think, is a good comparison. But no one is like, hold on, Mike. I know you love Laverne and Shirley, but you're asking for a really extended produced bit of a show that ended 11 years ago. And he's like, yeah, I want it. Yeah. Worked for me. Yeah. Yeah.

What takes it worse? Wayne's World 2? What's your relationship with this movie? Okay. I think Wayne's World 2 has some really funny shit in it. The kung fu scene is amazing and the guy, the DJ is amazing. It has a massive fatal flaw, which...

Meyers decided to commit the entire movie to Oliver Stone's The Doors and as the through line of the movie, which is a ridiculous choice where Jim Morrison is showing up. It's not Val Kilmer either. It's a very strange choice at the time. It was strange when it happened. And I saw The Doors twice in the theater. I love The Doors, but I was like, wow, really? We're doing this? And I think it's really hurt the movie because it's this...

really elaborate Doris parody. It's got a graduate homage at one point. And I think it's dated way, way, way, way worse than Wayne's World 1. Wayne's World 2, it's like, wow, what is this? It's also the musical number, it's the village people, which I know it's iconic, but that's also really old. No kid right now ever, maybe your son or something, my son tries to turn on Wayne's World.

It's hard enough to keep up with it. What the fuck is with this guy out in the desert with the leather pants and the sunglasses? The Doors was not that big of a movie. It's not like a Terminator homage. It's weird. And he married the whole movie to The Doors. It felt like they had to start filming and they needed an idea and he had about 20 minutes to... He was like, what if... How about this? And they just kind of let him go. What's aged the worst? Dana Carvey develops severe pain in his jaw.

Cause he had to do Garth's underbate for like 35 days and had to like have ice on his face at night. Cause he was always like doing that weird thing. And, uh, I don't know. It's a gamer that Dana Carvey. That sounds like something that Christian Bale would go through or something. A committed actor. Dana Carvey. Wow. In heart. Um,

Learning English from the Police Academy movies? Definitely is age the worst. Would we ever do one, Bill? And when I say we, anybody, would there ever be a Police Academy as rewatchable? Could you do it? I think we could do the first one. Police Academy 1, not Assignment Miami Beach? Here would be how it went. You would just have to text me and say, can we do Police Academy? I'd be like, okay, fine. Twist my arm.

The movie was like the number four movie of 1985 or whatever. Bill, I got principles and I have priorities. I'm trying to put in some time to get comfortable with Jim Cotta. So I got to put that in front of police. I got work to do. And then my last one stage where it says stone, stoned honking guy who Bohemian Rhapsody, Phil, who they pull in, don't honk in the car. I don't know if we needed him again after that scene.

I might have told him you didn't need to come back. Yeah, that's it. I think we were one and done with that. Maybe work in another character at that point.

Can we talk about what's aged the worst? Can we talk about not? Let's have a conversation about not. Well, so I had the bits that aged the worst. I have not, I have swing and the we're not worthy are the three that felt really stale to me all these years later. Yeah. Swing was boners and we're not worthy. You bow down in front of people. Not was a, again, I keep saying it was like cultural phenomenon. It was everywhere. I, my wife is like six or seven years younger than me. I said, do you remember what not was? She said, I,

I had a hat that said not on it with an exclamation point, like a baseball cap that I used to wear. And it was, you would just, you would say like to your friend, like, oh man, I really liked those shoes. Those look good on you. And he'd say, thanks. You go not. And it was just like a sick burn and everyone did it. Yeah. It was a top five catchphrase from the show over the last 50 years that seeped into real culture. Everybody said it. People would also missay it and mangle it and do it incorrectly. Yeah.

And you knew it was getting bad when it was on SportsCenter? Oh, yeah. Like a SportsCenter anchor would try to do a knot and it would just go badly. It was like, all right, I guess we're done with this now. And Glenn Rice's money from the corner, not brick. He would do something like... You know the full circle that it made is Borat...

They do a bit with Borat where he goes to learn American comedy. It's the official end of not. Yeah. Remember that? And there's this like really nerdy comedy instructor who tries to teach him not jokes and Borat just keeps messing it up and fucking with him. But it was being used as an example of the lamest possible American comedy. I'd like to stick my penis in you. Not. Yes. As your very nice prostitute. Not. We're doing Borat this year. That's a hundred percent happening. Do you have any other, what stage is the worst?

Um, no, we covered the sequel and the doors. I'm good on that. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award, which I think in this case is an under acting word for Frankie sharp of sharp records. I can only assume like Christopher Walken was supposed to have that part and called in sick day of, and they just like grab somebody. I, that guy is the worst actor in this movie by far. I have no idea why he's in the movie. No idea. None.

They went to the Halloween store and got the costume in a bag for agent with a cigar and a pinky ring and a pinstripe suit. Hi, I'm Jackie Sharp. And I must say, while you're very beautiful, it's tough. I don't know. It's really bad. He's so bad. I can't believe that's who they picked for that part. All right. You have another flex category. What do you got? All right. The category of the actor I can't believe did not become a bigger star.

um let's talk about dana carvey all right i uh i dana carvey brought me into snl when i was in about sixth grade he was the star he ran the show it's all his biggest sketches and i look back on it and i feel like the absolute ceiling for dana carvey with his talent and his audience reception was like a steve martin and i would have thought the basement would have been

Tim Allen, or maybe even like Kevin James, like who had big success in a lot of avenues and it didn't work out for a couple of different reasons. Why do you think he didn't become a bigger commercial star? It seemed like I, you know, he did the Dana Carvey show in the mid nineties, 96 versus not trying to really jump on, on the movie thing. I think he stayed in SNL one year too long. He had to do two Wayne's world movies coming out of the gate. The second one wasn't as well received.

But he just missed his... He never had his Ace Ventura. If Jim Carrey doesn't have Ace Ventura, does Jim Carrey happen in the same way? I don't know. He certainly was talented enough for it to happen. But you still need the one movie. Will Ferrell was in Night at the Roxbury. Didn't do well. No. He was in a couple other things. Didn't do well. But then Old School happened. And then it was like, okay, I'm ready for Will Ferrell to be a movie star. And Dana just...

Never had his thing. There might be part of it where he was like a better character actor than as a leading man who's going to get the girl in the end. Maybe there's something about him that it didn't totally work, but he was so good and so smart and such a hilarious guy. I don't understand where his Ace Ventura was at least.

And I had this conversation this morning with Schrager at work, and he was like, you know, someone like Steve Martin was a genuinely really good actor when he needed to. He could cry. He could do the drama. He's like, I can't take Dana Carvey seriously. But then I said, like, 90% of the stuff that Farrell does is ridiculous farce comedy. It's just for some reason he never landed. And then what happened is he makes a few Mrs. movies.

The Dana Carvey show, which was incredibly pedigreed, doesn't work out because of the time slot and all that shit. And then he finally gets his act together and he's going to make his Austin Powers. And his Austin Powers is Master of Disguise, which was...

one of those movies that was not only bad but became known for being bad like Gigli or something like that and people I remember like Kevin and Bean in LA would just play a different clip every single morning just make fun of it and then Dana Carvey and like that was pretty much it for that type of stuff yeah and he became a big family guy and I don't think he has a lot of regrets either I think he did fine and just threw himself into the family thing and yeah

Yeah, and I think he can get a nice check whenever he wants. Like, I think he could do stand-up and all that. And I love him, and I root for him. I'm bringing this up because I would have liked to see him be able to do more stuff, you know? I think the mistake he made, now that we're talking about it, he was such a good musician. Like, the thing that got him hired on SNL was the Chopping Broccoli sketch. And you watch him in the first couple seasons. Like, he was...

He was like the rarest of SNL talents because he could basically do any form of a sketch. He could sing, he could perform, but he was like a very old school 70s performer. Maybe that Derek Stevens character could have been the movie, like him. I don't know. I'm with you though. Sometimes the Hartman thing never really made sense to me either. I mean, it felt like he could have carried...

been the number one guy on an awesome comedy on like NBC or ABC. Instead, he was like a side character. Yeah, he was news radio side, right? But not like that Tim Allen home improvement character. I know what you mean. I love Carvey. I'm glad his podcast is so successful now. But yeah, it's weird. I think you just need like that one

That one part, Sandler kind of grabbed the bull by the horns and like he made Happy Gilmore and like he really like tried to make his own shit. Billy Madison, then Happy Gilmore. He tried to make his own shit and control his own destiny. And maybe Dana. And of course, the take is, is that, you know, maybe Myers, when you're playing Austin Powers, maybe you let Carvey be Dr. Evil and he does that thing. And then he's on that rocket with you. But Myers is probably like, no, I've already worked with Dana and I'm done. I'm doing this both by myself. But yeah, it was gone.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. Wayne's World, the first YouTube video ever. Interesting. Go on. Everything they're doing in Wayne's World, and they called it cable access back then, just kind of became YouTube. And I'm wondering, is YouTube just cable access?

Like, like, are we just thinking about it wrong? Everything that worked on cable access on local channels and then just like strip it down. All you need is one cameraman. He can be drunk. It's fine. Uh, some bad lighting. It's okay. You can do this in your basement. And this just is now, uh, a lot of content all over the place. Really successful.

Well, I had a question for you. I had this in Unanswerable. What is the real equivalent of Wayne's World? As it's happened in front of us, something that has been plucked from cable access and made into mainstream. Is it Hak'tu'a? What is it? I don't even know. Hak'tu'a. I think it's already over for her. I think it's a wrap. You're worried about Hak'tu'a. Live fast, lift a good-looking corpse. Is it...

I don't know. To me, it's like one of these weird video... Almost like one of these player podcasts, like Jeff Teague's podcast. Yes. Just becoming a podcast that people watch. And it's...

it's, you know, it's basically the 30 plus years later of this. It's like, I'm going to hang out with my friends. We might have a guest every once in a while. I think there's a lot of YouTube shows that I think have, have propelled people to fame. What's funny is Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, who went on to be on SNL, we're almost doing their own version of Wayne's world in San Diego on YouTube in like the 2000s. And they would have this like offbeat,

awkward humor television show where they would go around and do local San Diego things. And then that got them famous and took them to SNL. I'm sure it was Wayne's world inspired. That's cool. Well, 15 years later, this is just a YouTube show. The cable access thing is gone, right? Yeah. That's 2008. Just is what it is. Do you have a hottest take or keep going? Uh, my, my hottest take is I'm going to just go right from the hip on this one.

I think Wayne's World is the most quotable movie of all time. Wow. That's my hot take on it. And I'll put it in context. If you want to put it against... Over like Airplane? Yeah. I think it's, I think at the very least it's in the Elite Eight and it's with things like La

Lebowski, Anchorman, Airplane. I can't find a scene in this movie, any scene, where there's not at least a line that people have said that you would know or that you incorporate into everyday life. I think it's like something like Jerry Maguire was another 90s luminary. They have like two or three things that broke through. Show me the money. You complete me. Wayne's World has like 15 things. We've been mentioning them now for an hour. All the...

Excuse me, baking powder, like the countdown from five, four, three, you don't say two or one. Those are all things that infiltrate. When you first started doing TV, did you think about Wayne's World?

The first time they did that? I thought about it every single time. We'll say Wayne's World 5, 4. It's iconic in that sense. The gun rack, the lawyer stuff where he's like, ooh, yes. I'm not so sure about yes. That is bits that people still do to this day. And Wayne's World has like 20 of them. So there's a lot of quotable movies. I think it's the most quotable movie of all time from start to finish. 21st Century, probably Anchorman.

Yeah, Anchorman is just it has the most material to work with, I think, scene by scene, just things where people would understand what you're doing. I think every single year, I think Anchorman, I think every Christmas season, Christmas vacation. There's tons of them. Lebowski and Anchorman are one of those movies that people quote that don't even realize they're quoting the movie. Like when you say a rug ties the room together, like that's Lebowski and some people don't even know it. But they're all up there. Those are the greats.

casting what ifs don't really have anything other than Michael's wanting to do, uh, Guns and Roses and getting overworld. And then Cooper's manager doing feed, feed by Frankenstein when Myers wanted him to do, I'm 18 or school's out. He said, no, no, we got this new song. I can't,

I kind of wish he had done schools out, but I don't mind Feed My Frankenstein. It's so weird. Best That Guy Award. There's some really good ones. There's a winner. I'm so excited. What do you got? There's a winner, but I just wanted to give a shout out to Brian Doyle Murray. Who's Brian Doyle Murray, but he's also that guy. Sure. Kurt Fuller, who's Rob Lowe's sidekick. Come on.

who was the bad guy in No Holds Barred. He basically played the Vince McMahon character, and he's just a Hall of Fame, that guy. I actually know his name, so I don't know if he counts as that guy. Here's the thing. People ask me all the time, like, how do you choose what movies you're going to do? I know at some point, sometimes it happens like this. I'm going to get a text from Bill, and the text is going to say, it's time.

And there's going to be a picture of the No Holds Barred poster. And I'm going to be so fucking ready because I know him from No Holds Barred as well. He's the manager. He's Russell here. But Kurt Fuller, I know his name as well. Rip him. So there's a legitimate that guy.

He's the guy with the round face and the mustache who... At the counter. Then was that Curb Your Enthusiasm as the Amco guy. Yes. And had that great episode with Larry and Amco. I don't even know what that guy's name is. His name is Mike Haggerty. I got him. Mike Haggerty. Okay. But the obvious winner is Beecher from Oz.

as one of Wayne's entourage, the guy who kept saying, I love you, man. And eventually, six, seven years later, he was on Oz saying, I love you, man, to the guy that they ended up, Schillinger, and ended up in some of the most psychotic scenes in the history of HBO. And it's so funny to see Beecher in this movie. I know. I think his name's Glenn Turgison. I can't remember his name, but I just see him. It's Beecher.

He's also Rosie, the muscle for Bodie in Point Break who will gut you like a pig and try to get you in your shoes. Oh, yeah. Good call. Bill, this is a turgid that guy category because I also want to shout out Officer Koharski, who's Frederick Coffin, who's our guy O'Malley in Hard to Kill. But the piece they resist on. Oh, that's a great one.

O'Malley. Yeah. This is an even better one. All right. So, you know, the guy who is like your name is pronounced Algar, right? Party on. Wait. He is the guy in Boogie Nights when Buck tries to get the loan. And he's like, sir, you're a pornographer. Oh, my God. That's him. Oh, he wins. He's that's even better than Beecher. Don Amendolia. That's the guy from Boogie Nights with Buck in the bank. I am an actor. That's him.

Wow. That's even better than Beecher. It's good. I didn't even catch that one. Great one. Great job. Dion Waiters Award.

I'll give you a final four of Ed O'Neill, the Wayne's World announcer, Alice Cooper, or Chris Farley, unless you want to throw anyone else in there. Or Officer Karharski, we'll throw him in too. O'Neill is really good. His first line in the movie is he looks at camera and he just goes, I never did a crazy thing in my life before that night. And then he just, I think it's O'Neill. That's a great final four or final three.

But O'Neal, who was also in the sketch, the Wayne's World sketch, as a driver's ed teacher from the guy's high school. I'm going to give it to him over even Farley and Cooper. And they're both great. Yeah, it's tough that Cooper doesn't win this. But I think it is at O'Neal. He's great in this. Recasting couch director, City. So can we have some fun with Noah's arcades? Noah Arcade, his wife. Oh, Colin Camp?

Yeah. Could we, could we, we're going a little meadow with this movie in general. Could that have been Heather Thomas? I'm just going to, going to spitball you. Could that have been Jacqueline Smith? Could that have been Suzanne Summers? Like, could we have taken somebody from, could that have been Aaron Gray? Could we have taken somebody that we're all in love with in the late seventies, early eighties and just shoved them there as like, Oh my God, her.

I'm thinking sitcom mom, like Judith Light. Sure. That would really work. I know Suzanne Somers is the best one. I know Myers, because in So I Married an Axe Murderer, there's a Thighmaster bit. And so he would have been a fan of her. Somers would have been really good. Or like a Victoria Principal. I just feel like you grab somebody from that early 80s apex, throw them in there. I'm having more fun. So my flex, did this movie have a porn parody? Mm-hmm.

turns out it did it was called zane's world and you can watch all of the the the actual plot with no sex on youtube it's got 14 minutes of all the sex cut out but the actual thing and you're gonna think you're gonna want to watch 30 seconds of it but i'm telling you you're gonna keep going it is uh it's uh biff malibu plays zane and tom byron

The great veteran, he's Garth with a wig on. They're doing the... Madison and Trixie Tyler in it. Oh, great. But this is one of the funnier YouTube clips that you think you're only going to watch for 10 seconds and you can't stop watching. They have the van. They do the whole thing and...

And yet Wayne is Zane and sex ensues, not comedy. Well, I got to think that it's just sitting right there. The swing, right? And they must say swing all the time, right? Because that means you have direction. I don't want to step on the clip because I really think you're going to enjoy it. Who plays Russell? Peter North? I need to know the full cast. I don't want to spoil it. It's on YouTube. I actually did not know that this was a whole YouTube genre, which was people taking 80s and 90s.

porn movies and cutting out all the sex and just having the plot as like a 14 minute YouTube clip. I support it. I think it's a great idea. Kudos to whoever came up with that.

And are they just like, they're having sex and it's party time. Excellent. We don't see the sex. Like somebody starts unbuttoning a button and it's, it's just the next scene. I'll be honest, Bill. Can I get the one with the sex? I'd like to check that one out. The original Zayn's world on DVD. Yeah. The director's cut. Half-assed internet research. We talked about no stairway to heaven. We talked about Myers being a dick. Spheeris had some quotes about,

about him the director emotionally needy and got more difficult as the shoot went along that was one you should have heard him bitching when i was trying to do that bohemian rhapsody scene i can't move my neck like that why do we have to do this so many times no one's gonna laugh at this um she said on one occasion he stormed off the set because there was no margarine for his bagel gotta do it and in one of the features about myers his pr person said that

There was no truth that he was hyperglycemic and kind of poopooed the story. And then they argued about the final cut and Myers did not let her do Wayne's World 2. So there's that. So the Pacer, aka the Mirth Mobile, was a 1976 Pacer.

The original car was sold and appeared in a 2015 episode of Pawn Stars. It was restored to running condition with the original movie props in the car. A stair system added. Sold in 2016 for $37,400. That's low. Bill, where do you have this in your all-time pacers? Is it more Reggie Miller or like Austin Crozier? We're going to cover that during Apex Mountain. Got it. So...

When Wayne speaks Cantonese to Tia. Yeah. He's just, it sounds like he's learned it, but he's just saying gibberish. And she was like trying not to laugh because he was completely unintelligible. Is it, is that actually sound? Cause he goes, uh, like that's just nonsense, right? No, complete nonsense. Okay. The scene when they're talking on the hood of the car with the Bugs Bunny dress was the last scene filmed. Oh, I like knowing that.

Fender made a special run of Wayne's World signature Stratocaster guitars right after this movie. And then Stan Mikita's Donuts was a fictional donut shop. The scenes were shot at a Tim Hortons, which is a real donut shop. But I always thought for years that Stan Mikita's was a real place. I was honestly disappointed. Yeah, I'd never heard of it. Felt let down. Apex Mountain. Myers? No, it's Austin Powers. Yep.

Carvey, you can make the case. He's still on SNL at this point. This movie's big and you're buying all kinds of Dana Carvey stock in 1992. Dana Carvey was so big at this point that he did a set with U2 as Garth, where he was on stage with them at the VMAs drumming. U2 was probably the biggest band. It was like Octoon Baby era. He was global at that point. So it's Dana Carvey's apex. The first movie, yes. Lorne Michaels is an interesting one.

Because at that point, you could say it's somewhere in the 70s when the show peaked in 78, 79. But I actually think it's probably in the early 90s when he resuscitated the show and built it back up into a franchise. And now he's dipping into movies. And it really felt like he was becoming a mogul in a completely different way. So I'm going to say yes.

It's not only his first hugely successful movie. It's really his last one too. Right. It felt like there was 20 more coming. Yeah. From a talent standpoint, they're just cherry picking all of the funniest people. Like he's, he's throwing 99 miles in there. I'm going to say yes. Aurora, Illinois, not a real place. Real place.

Okay. Apex mountain then. Yeah, definitely. And when you think when you, when you're like, I'm from Chicago, you meet someone from Aurora, you're like, all right, party time. Excellent. Yeah. They must, they must love that. They love it. They're really big fans. It's like, I saw the McCourty's. Yeah. At, on Friday night. Yeah. We're taping this after the Superbowl and, and Sal went up to them and was like, are you guys twins? Like he, it's, it's such a joke. Yeah.

It's such a, he did the parody of the parent. Like it's almost like it's like three steps beyond the joke that they always hear, which they actually thought it was pretty funny. Yes. They're great guys. I'm going to say yes for Tia.

Bigger. So she's a very important part of the James Cameron movie. It's a massively successful James Cameron movie. She's doing the Samba with Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, not playing. I think it's, I think it's true lies. True lies was big and she had a tough cause Craig makes the key part. She's disposable in that movie. It could have been 10 different people in this movie. She's not disposable, but I think you're right. Cause that was one of the four biggest movies. Yeah. It's probably true. Less big deal. Stan Makita. Probably not. There's probably something that happened in the sixties with them.

Great Poupon commercial parodies? I'm going to say yes. They were ubiquitous. You could not turn on the TV without seeing some party in a Rolls Royce asking for mustard. It was just the thing they did. I promise. All right, work with me on this one. Prostate exam jokes where the guy puts on the glove and somebody's about to be violated. It's still Fletch, right? It's not this. Moon River. Yeah, it's got to be Fletch. Definitely. Delaware? Delaware?

100%. Great instrumental in the American Revolution. One of the oldest states. But I think of them in front of the blue screen. I'm sorry, guys. Maybe Joe Flacco, though. He was Super Bowl MVP and he went to Delaware. Elena Deledon?

Big star. Big star. They did have our last president. Probably not. He's probably not Apex Mountain for Delaware. Joe Biden was a nine-time senator, and he was the president of the United States. I'm not giving him Apex Mountain. And we still think it's Wayne. I think it's Joe Flacco winning Super Bowl MVP. I think you're right. I like it. Shitty Beatles, definitely Apex Mountain. Alice Cooper, no. Rob Lowe, no. I don't know what his Apex Mountain was.

I think it was really fun career for me. It's about last night. It's the St. Elmo's fire into about last night. It might be the apex for me too. For me personally, it might be my apex man. Do you know, Bill, when I was in summer 2000, I interned at an agency and the agent I worked under was Rob Lowe's agent. I used to get to listen to his phone calls, Rob Lowe would call in and you know what he was calling about?

He was begging his agent that he wanted to be in the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie because he loved Planet of the Apes. And he was begging. He'll say, I'll do any part. And the response was, you can't be in it because you have blue eyes and they're only casting actors with brown eyes. Oh, man. You're not allowed to be in it. And my agent was like, that's the only time in your life that's going to work against you, those blue eyes. Isn't that crazy? He wanted in, though. Rob Lowe, one of the greats. Great podcast guest, too. I bet. Cruise or Hanks? This feels Hanks to me. Um...

I think I have Cruz as Benjamin in like kind of a pre Jerry Maguire sort of agent role. But I think interesting. I think if you're going to cast as one of the big two, I think it's Hanks as, as Wayne. I think so too. Yeah.

Scorsese or Spielberg? Probably Spielberg. This doesn't feel like a Scorsese movie. I think for Scorsese that Cassandra would have to turn into like Ginger from Casino, you know, like trying to just be some sort of crazy off the hook. Also, Bill, I had one apex for you. I want to bounce off you. Yeah. Rock bands and movies, like fake rock bands, like Crucial Taunt. Oh, this is great. Crucial Taunt. Let me give you some. I have some. All right. So you have Spinal Tap.

You have Wild Stallions from Bill & Ted. I didn't really get to see them play. The School of Rock Kids. Steel Dragon with Mark Wahlberg. The Pinheads with Marty McFly. And then our guys Stillwater from Almost Famous. I was throwing Citizen Dick from Singles. Yes! Although I don't know if we actually saw them play. I think they just pretended to be a band. We saw Soundgarden play. They're a real band. Yeah. Citizen Dick, though. I think it's Stillwater. Stillwater was...

They played three songs in front of a crowd of 20,000 people and the songs were all actually good. I think I downloaded a couple on my Spotify or whatever. Jason Lee really does the singing like Cassandra does. I think I have Stillwater as well in that movie. I thought what they pulled off with that band where Jason Lee, his skinny beard, his weird body posture was so 70s and then brought up the guitar. Yeah, I'm going to go with that. Good idea though.

Jennifer, Jennifer roulette, Aniston, Coolidge, Connelly, Garner, Lawrence, Lopez, or Ortega in the Tia spot. Who do you got? I got Lopez.

And I have Lopez. She is early, early 90s. She's doing the In Living Color. She's a dancer. Selena's going to hit a few years later. You can take her from any part of her career, though. You could totally have Money Train Lopez for this. No, I'm not going to even go Money Train. I'm going to go pre-Selena, very young, Jennifer Lopez. I have a feeling with who you're going to go with. I'm going to write it down. But I think it's J-Lo and the role of Cassandra. I also had Lopez.

Oh, I thought you were going to say Connelly for sure. No, I had Lopez because otherwise, as you said, this becomes the whitest movie anyone's ever made. So we really needed Lopez. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? You could talk me into Glenn, the manager. You could also talk me into one of Wayne's entourage people.

as the Rob Lowe I don't think it works but maybe Rob Lowe's sidekick I don't know what do you have I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Garth I think he'd be fucking incredible I think all in one of the co-leads and he's just like Wayne can I kiss you on the mouth Wayne you look at me sometimes do you like the Mercmobile because if you don't I'm going to take it back he's wearing an undersized t-shirt yes I think it's Scotty J as Garth that's my call

All right, we have a flex category from Craig. What do you got, Craig? What do you got, Craig? All right, in the spirit of this movie, I'm going to go with something kind of stupid and silly that Wayne and Garth would respect, and it's the Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food or Drink. I love Garth in the background of a scene drinking a jelly donut out of a straw. That's good. I thought that was very innovative. I've never seen that before. I thought it was a great sound effect. I would have loved that when I was 14, and I loved it now.

That's a great call. Great call, Craig. Thank you, Craig. Picky nits. So this is probably my biggest one. Okay. There's that scene with Rob Lowe and Garth when Garth's just working on a severed hand for some reason. What the fuck is happening in that scene? Yeah. Is there any explanation for it? It's not funny. I don't what what's going on?

I think that they're trying to character develop Garth a little bit. They have this running thing where Garth is a mad scientist, right? The electric thing, this thing, and at the end, he reprograms the satellites. I think they have that in there. It's a really weird scene, and it starts with... Rob Lowe's great. He goes, you know, Garth, you and I have never really talked. And you're like, oh, shit, what's going on here? And you're just nervous the whole time. It's the strangest scene in the movie. You're all over it.

wouldn't Wayne and Cassandra have met before is my next nitpick. She's playing in Aurora. Pretty small pond. I feel like crucial taunt has probably played that club before. There's not like a million clubs or in the extended Aurora area. It doesn't Wayne go there every week. Like always. That's never ran into her once. That's why this category is here. That's a great one.

I have one more, but give me yours, and then I have one big one. This one didn't strike me until this viewing as an older man. These are some heavy metal guys, right? They're in their early 20s, and they're going out with their friends. They're going in the car. They're blasting rock music. They're going to go see a band, and they go and get coffee and donuts on a Friday night. What the fuck is that? They don't go to a bar. They don't get beers. They don't do shots. It doesn't make any sense that you're pre-party to go out to see a rock concert, but

would be to go have donuts at a donut shop with your friends as someone who's 22. It's ridiculous. I don't get it at all. Well, that feeds into mine. I just feel like all of these guys would have been smoking a ton of pot. Yes, thank you. I just don't think there's any scenario where Garth is in stone 24 hours a day. And I always thought when I watched the SNL sketch before they made the movie-

Kind of the under-the-radar assumption was these guys were huge stoners, but they couldn't get stoned on NBC. So when they made the movie, it was just, oh, clearly Garth's going to have this five-foot bong and they're going to do it. But no, nothing. I guess it's much more charming that it's inferred that they don't show it. Like there's not a bong scene or there's enough stoner movies. This is not what they're going for. But they don't even... Even when he's at the bar and he meets Cassandra, Wayne doesn't have a drink.

Cassandra orders a club soda. It's I'm like, I found myself wondering, are they trying to go for some sort of PG rating or something, but it's PG 13. They can have booze in it. There's right. That's not really there. This is a weird Myers thing though. He was very averse to like sex, drugs, anything. That's why when he was in the studio 54 movie, it was so crazy to see him as the owner, just being like, I want to suck your cock. One of the craziest lines of the nineties. Uh,

I don't have any more nitpicks unless you do. They just, you would never fire the host of a show after one segment in the middle of a live show. It doesn't make any sense at all. No. They didn't rehearse it once. They had no idea what they were doing. And in the middle of the, in the commercial break, they fire the host and he walks out. It's nonsense. That wouldn't even happen on the NFL network. They would finish the show. We'll test that tomorrow maybe. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. They obviously did a sequel.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Burning Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, I'll throw in Gus Johnson, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in The Firm?

What do you have? I think that Wayne and his crew are so rock and roll and so motley that they need someone who's ags. And I think Daniel Plainview should be part of their crew. Oh, let's hear it. And it's him and HW and they do craft services and they just put out steak and whiskey and goat's milk. And at one point Garth goes to him and says, Mr. Plainview, when you're with a girl who just makes you want to hurl every time you see her, what do you do? And he says, I

I say, Hurl, if you blow chunks and she comes back, she's yours. But if you spew and she bolts, it was never meant to be. That's Plainview as part of the crew. I tell HW. Plainview is really winning 2025. I know. I heard SCR did it. Yeah, everybody wants to test drive Plainview. I've abandoned Crucial Taunt! I've abandoned my girl! I love him. He's the man. Yeah.

Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Would you go Carvey for best supporting? What would you do? The writers. It's just so dense. Every line is awesome. Myers and the two writers. Probably in answerable questions. Was Garth playing with a full deck? Good question. Was he on the, like, would you say he was on medication? How would he be treated in 2024? Would he be diagnosed with specific things? What was going on there?

Was he in a special class in high school? Did he graduate? Was he like a Rain Man type of savant? What's going on with Garth? Every time he gets a little nervous, Wayne goes, Garth, your pills, your pills. He even says, take your Ritalin. It's not subtle. So they were a little ahead of the curve on that one. I think he's got all kinds of stuff like that. But I also think that he is, if you sat him down to take some sort of calculus test, that he would ace it. Yeah. Yeah.

And then we, you mentioned this earlier and it's gotta be discussed. How old were these guys? Cause I think, so I'll give you a range. Okay. You could tell me they're 19 and the actors are just playing. They're going to Ian's earring and just playing like 35 year olds as, as 21 year olds. You could also tell me they're out of college. You could also tell me they're like 27 to 30, but Garth also seems like he's like 38. Yeah. I don't know the range. What do you think?

Well, it's interesting because in the sketch, they're in high school. That's established. They bring in one of their high school teachers. But then in the movie, they're definitely not in high school. They're not in college. Wayne talks about his career as hairnets and name tags.

I think that they can drink and they can get in clubs. I think they're 23 or 24, just kind of adults with bad jobs, but no school whatsoever, no. Yeah, because they can get into clubs, but it's interesting they're not drinking, which almost makes me wonder if they're like 19 or 20. That makes sense. So they're probably supposed to be 23, 24, or we're not supposed to know the answer and maybe the answer doesn't exist. Right. Any other unanswerables for you? No, we answered all mine. I'm good now.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from, would you want or not want from this movie? The white guitar would be the obvious. Excalibur. Game used hat.

or a movie used hat. The car would be my number one choice. Cars aren't allowed in this category, but what do you got? I want the suck cut. I want that machine. It sucks and it cuts. I want that thing. And I have to take my kids for haircuts all the time. And that barber like either always messes it up or I don't describe it properly. And my wife gets mad when I bring home the kid with a bad haircut. So I'll just do it with the suck cut and we'll save all the money like that. Suck cut. Coach Finstock or best life lesson. Don't sell out.

Best double feature choice. I could offer you Wayne's World 2 and just make it easy, or we could zag a little bit and go into that kind of cone heads. We could do a different SNL sketch movie. We could do Opportunity Knox. What do you got? I'm dragging that gargantuan cranium around. Oh, you're doing Axe Murderer. No, give me Axe Murderer. Okay, good call. Normal Myers, 94. Who won the movie? I think...

I mean, the funny answer is Queen, and they recharted, even though from a song 15 years earlier. But, I mean, I think this is just Myers. He's awesome in it. I love him in it. He had sequels. He had many more movies to come. And it sounds like he won a lot of the wars about what he wanted in the movie, too. I think it's Myers, short term. Okay.

I wonder if it's Carvey long-term because this turned out to be like the funniest he's been in a movie and he's the funniest person in the movie and the person I enjoy the most. So it's almost like first 10 years Myers,

But then over the years, you could make a better case for Queen or Carver. I think the Queen case is sitting there too. That's interesting you say that. I was going to ask you, are you team Garth or team Wayne? You got to pick one. I'm team Garth. I think Garth is like the height of comedy for me. He's great. It always made me. And it was right there in the era, that Beavis and Butthead era too, where it's just like,

fuck-ups who were kind of funny but knew their fuck-ups just became this cottage industry yeah garth was really good at that all right it's time i'm nervous producer take come on craig um wayne's world had you seen it so i'm a huge snl fan as you can see by my hat nice um i have seen the wayne's world sketches plenty of times i had never seen the movie

So I think that shows that I would probably more likely than not would like it. This movie is super ambitious. I'm pretty sure I didn't get 70% of the jokes in this movie. And yet everyone in it is so likable. I thought Mike Myers is incredible. So, so charming and the style of humor is,

It's funny, man. The style of humor is like, it's basically a foreign film now to young people. Like those like high level bits, the practical jokes that are secretly intellectual, the cultural references,

I had a fantastic time. This movie was hilarious and it worked and it shouldn't have, but it completely did. And I actually think there's a world in which now I think movies want to stay away from, from cultural references because they want it to last forever. Yeah. But I almost think it makes them worse. And this movie is so stuck in the early nineties. It's so dated that I think it almost comes back around and like works again. Yeah.

I'm so glad you think that Craig. Me too. I'm really happy. I'm almost like, well, I'm welling up. What was your favorite part? My favorite jokes in the sketches and in this movie is the, is the over the top intellectual moments that don't make any sense with the Alex, Alice Cooper thing. Yeah. There's a great one in, on SNL with Aerosmith where they're talking about like communism. Yeah. And it's just,

That is exactly my type of humor. I think it's hilarious. That's my favorite. The Twilight Zone, like, yeah, when they go super weird. Yeah. Are we in late stage communism? Do you think it's going to come back? And like the drummer from Aerosmith has a very nuanced response. Right. They don't really make like the SNL movies. Is there like a sketch or a bit that you love that you would have loved to see into a movie that they haven't or could? I don't know. I mean, most of them don't work. It's hard to turn a sketch into a film. I grew up with like

Uh, Stefan and the Californians were probably the two biggest ones that you could have tried to make into a movie. It'd be curious. It'd be interesting to ask Lauren, Bill, when you interviewed Lauren, did you ask about SNL movies that never were that almost were? I don't think we got there. The most, I mean, the most, the all time, whatever this is the Sprockets movie, which they, you know, became this huge contentious, uh,

because they paid Myers all this money to make it. And he basically backed out of it. And the script was supposed to be funny. And then he decided he didn't like it. And I always thought the sprockets movie, the ceiling of that was really high for me. Cause I thought that was some of the most inventive stuff they were doing on that show. There's also just nobody doing character work anymore. That gets turned into a movie. The only person who's trying to revive it is Tim Robinson, who was, who was briefly on SNL, but he's the only guy doing that weird character stuff. And he has a movie coming out with Paul Rudd. That looks really funny. Well,

Well, so MacGruber, MacGruber counts and MacGruber didn't do well, but now I think has aged really nicely. I never even saw that movie. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's okay. Now it was not okay for about four or five years. Other than that, the last one they made too, that they haven't made one since I, there's some weird ones over the years that I think could have worked. Like, I think the Sweeney sisters could have actually been a movie.

I don't think they would have made it. I don't think it would have made money, but these, they were these singing lounge acts at act sixsters that I just felt like that could have potentially worked. You could have taken like any Will Ferrell thing and,

probably flipped it into something they did it they did stewart saves his family with al franken i know they did a pat movie they did a ladies man movie i didn't forgot they did ladies man in meadows yeah yeah we're doing a lot they learn though some of these things were meant to be five six minutes max and that's it i have two more thoughts one will make you mad the others is agnostic i'll start with the easy one first it's funny that the life lesson of this movie is to never sell out

I think that's completely opposite now. I think the goal as a content creator, as an artist for young people is to sell out. The goal is like, how can I make art that's so good that I can sell Coca-Cola in an ad on TikTok and Instagram? It's just funny how it's completely the other way around where you've made it once you can sell out. That's the goal. People are impressed when you sell out.

You people want to sell out, but they also really resent super rich people. It's like, it's like, that's what it's like a complete seesaw the other way. It's like, what can I do to, I will, I will spawn con anything you give me if you pay me. Yeah. And then the thing that's going to make you upset is, and I've, I've kind of always felt this way, but I think it's worse in the movie. I don't think Garth is that funny.

Okay. Why? It's okay. I think it's okay. I knew this might be coming. Yeah. Unbelievable. And I think in short spurts, Garth works a lot better on the, in the sketches in the movie. And I think it's a little bit of why Carvey, I don't know.

The roles he takes first, Garth is just a little too, I mean, he's like borderline, not all there. He's just too developmentally challenged. He needs to be 20% more competent. Kyle, I'm having trouble breathing. Can you call 9-11? It's just a little bit. Kyle, help.

But Craig, they leave him to do the show and he says, I'm having a good time, not. And that kills. What are you talking about? It never bothered me as much in the sketches, but in the movie, I think it hurts a little more. So go then. So go. So go. So go then. That's what I'm saying to you, Craig. Why don't we have you here? Did you watch Blues Brothers or no? Yeah.

You weren't on the pod last week because you were in New Orleans. No. I mean, I like Wayne's World more than Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers is weird. It's like super bloated. And a lot of the scenes are like really quiet and awkward. It's one of those movies where I actually think it's funnier to talk about afterwards than to watch. Like in the moment, I was kind of like, okay. But then listening to you guys talk about it, I was like, oh, actually situationally, it's hysterical. But it doesn't really hit you with laugh out loud moments for me for the first time.

I think that's fair. It's a movie that really belongs to that decade that was absolutely completely beloved. And I could get why that didn't. I got to say, I'm really surprised Wayne's World lived up to 33 years of still being funny. Charming movie.

Yeah, all the cultural references and stuff, even if they don't last the test of time, the movie still really works. So Craig, when you're watching, when they launch into a fucking Laverne and Shirley homage. I didn't even know that's what that was. What is this song and what is this bottle with a glove on it? Like, are you totally in the dark, right? Yes, I was like, they're doing some sitcom parody, I don't know. Right, okay. You liked it though, kind of. Yeah, yeah, I respected it. That's great.

Craig and I played craps on Friday night in New Orleans. Okay.

I was great. Had a great time. Yeah. Craig was throwing the dice lefty from the right side. He was doing a little Scott Mitchell action. Yeah. It was, it was borderline like a submarine pitching almost. Yeah, it was good. I just like you guys went to a casino in a Superbowl city. Not, not you didn't go to the best casino in America. It's right in the middle of everything. There's no better casino. No, I was at Shibuzee. I'm addicted to craps now. So that's a problem. Okay.

This podcast was produced by Craig Horbeck, who's right there. Thanks to Jack and Gahow as well. Thanks, Kyle Brandt. Anything you want to plug? No, I'm just trying to sell out in every way possible to be cool to the Craigs. Watch Good Morning Football, everybody. And you can catch me on the rewatchables on the Ringer podcast network. When are you going to watch Jim Cotta, you think?

I honestly, dude, I'm flirting with Jim Cotta right now. There's a courting period going through it. And I'm, I'm going to about to have a couple of weeks off. I might sneak in Jim Cotta. All right. There's a couple others too, that we, uh, that are on the list too. All right. Great to see you as always. Thanks, Greg. Thanks Kyle. And don't forget every watchable is now available on video on Spotify. Check out the ringer movies, YouTube channel as well. Thank you guys. See ya.