‘True Lies’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
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For 15 years, Harry Tasker's been leading a double life. Hi, it's Helen. Is he in? Harry's in his sales meeting, Mrs. Tasker. He's protected the country. He's faced the enemy. But when his wife finds out... Harry! Who's going to protect him? Arnold Schwarzenegger. Jamie Lee Curtis in a James Cameron film. What can I say? I'm a spy.

True Lies, rated R, starts Friday, July 15th at theaters everywhere. All right, CR is here. Van Lathan is here. I didn't even know where to start. True Lies, I watched it twice in four days. I don't know why I don't watch this movie more often. I'm going to give you three outlandish takes about True Lies, and you guys tell me where you want to start the podcast. Outlandish take number one.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's greatest performance of all time. Not outlandish. I don't think it's... Outlandish take number two. This is the best Bond movie of the last 40 years. Outlandish take number three. Biggest missed chance for a sequel of any 90s movie. Where do we want to start, CR? Can we start at three? Yeah. Because two I think is just wrong, but I respect your... They were outlandish. I like what you're doing, but I think three is, of all the things that we have franchised to death...

I can't believe this is something that never got a seat. Can't believe it.

How is the word for matter? We should be mad that they made a True Lies 5. We're like, all right, guys, enough. A step further. I would have taken True Lies 2 over Avatar. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in Rounders, when he goes to Grandma, he doesn't have his money, and he goes, it's got to be a story. That's how I feel about why there's no True Lies sequel. There's got to be a story. You know what the story is? Titanic made like $2 billion. Yeah.

Yeah. Cameron's IMDb just goes off a cliff after Titanic. He basically just makes Avatar and the second Avatar. Well, I mean, I think he would beg to differ and be like, I've invented submarines. No, he's doing it, but he's just not making movies. He didn't need to make True Lies 2 because he didn't need to make any money. He's a billionaire. He got so into the technology of making movies that the actual making of movies and telling new stories, I think, became less compelling to him. Yeah, maybe. He does. Yeah.

I have the Cameron from 84 to 97 Terminator aliens, the abyss Terminator to true lies, Titanic.

And it's like a Jenga stack, and he keeps going up, and then Titanic happens, and it's the biggest, most successful movie probably ever made to that point. This is probably the last time it felt like he just made a movie. I mean, even his version of that is still like Harrier Jets, Seven Mile Bridge, and all these crazy set pieces. Okay.

But this is one that didn't feel like, oh, I have like a technological advance I want to make in filmmaking. And so I'm going to make a movie to go along with it. This just felt like he wanted to make both a Bond movie and a comedy and the biggest blockbuster. And work with Arnold again. Yeah. I mean, I'll go one further.

I don't know that this movie has ever been topped in terms of spectacle in action movies. Like, since this movie came out, I don't know. There's lots of things that are really, like, thrilling. There are incredible advances in special effects. But...

You watch this movie and you're like, I don't know what I'm watching is a miniature. I don't know what I'm watching is digital. I don't know what is practical and they actually are doing it. Yeah, big holy shit factor. Yeah, like the holy shit factor on this movie is off the fucking charts. It's also that way though because the movie keeps playing with its tone. Yeah. It...

starts off with a couple of tones right in Van Lathan's wheelhouse. Yeah. Um, it starts off huge and then it mutes out and becomes like an intimate family comedy about, uh,

philandering wife and a husband trying to figure it out. And then boom, the next thing you know, he's the baddest ass in the world again. And there are fighter jets and nuclear explosions and all of that. You kind of forget at a point. That's the movie that you're watching. And then it comes back. It does do like two swerves. I wrote down the recipe. It's one part Bond spy movie, one part eighties, nineties action blockbuster with like feral villains, uh,

crypto-conservative politics for like the Crimson Jihad thing. One part of it is just a De Palma movie where it's like a guy faking his voice and watching his wife do stripteases and stuff like that and looking at her through the mirror but she doesn't know he's on the other side. And one part of it is naked gun because there's parts of it that are just like straight up madcap screwball

psych gags. Like, Tom Arnold hiding behind a pole as machine gun bullets miss him is basically like something you would see in a naked gun movie. So, my hottest take, I can already spoil it right now, is this is the finest directing work from Cameron ever to me. And it's not the biggest. Obviously, Terminator 2 is like a perfect movie, but

the versatility of him because he's directing comedy in a way as well, right? So when Schwarzenegger walks up the stairs and he sees her and she's on the exercise bike...

to stop his face looking at her, and then he goes right into his whole thing. It's hysterical. The movie becomes literally side-splittingly funny for the entire middle, and then jumps right back into action movie. He's playing with so many different genres, so many different methods of directing, that it was kind of, it's like the last one that he did before he just went into the huge, huge blockbuster mode.

Can I be honest with you? Because you were so candid with us on the last Rewatchables when you were like, I didn't like Twister the first time around. I missed it the first time around. I liked it. You were worried about what it portended? Yeah, I was mad about what was happening. I kind of...

I was just a kid, so I'm not pretending like I had some sort of mass understanding of the film business. But when I saw this movie, I was kind of like, this gave me a headache. You know, it's a lot. It's like a ton of sugar in this movie. Yeah. And you're watching it, and it's like, the plot's kind of stupid. The whole Crimson Jihad thing is kind of stupid. And I think it really did feel like...

wow, I wonder if this is going to be like movies from now on. It's like, what's the biggest thing we can blow up? You know what I mean? Like it felt like it was constantly topping itself within the film. It was right after Speed too, right? Yeah. And now like going back when you watch it, you see all the different genres he's playing with. You see like the subtlety of the direction in certain places. Another moment I love is when he comes up to get her for lunch and then she gets the phone call from Simon and he stops right before the cubicle. Like that's,

That's a moment you don't really notice the first time you watch because you're like, damn, they just had a horse in an elevator. But there's lots of stuff like that. But the first time I saw this, I was like, man, I feel like I drank three Cokes. He's asking more from Arnold Schwarzenegger because we had seen Arnold Schwarzenegger be funny. He had been funny, right? I think this is after Kindergarten Cop, right? So he had been funny. Twins, he had been funny. But to go back and forth, we hadn't really seen that. And Arnold's like...

They kind of tried to do it with him in Kindergarten Cop, but this is way better. Kindergarten Cop is like... Way better version of it. But Arnold's kind of... He's charming. He's debonair. He's... At the first scene of the movie, you have to believe that Tia Carrera wants to have sex with Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he totally pulls it off. Arnold believed it.

This is also right around the time where he's starting to play. He's at like the peak of his popularity, but he's still playing around with the image. Yeah. So he does last action hero and this for sure. And it's kind of like, yeah, like you think of me this way, but what if I was like a jealous husband or you think of me this way, but what if I was a cartoon character come to life? Like it's, there's a lot of like a very self-conscious like commentary on the Arnold image in this.

I have more Arnold thoughts. Just to put a bow on the biggest mischance for a sequel of any 90s movie. I went back and I looked at the top five box office for every year of the 90s. Okay. And most of them, they're like, we're writing that back. Too much money is at stake, right? You couldn't do it with something like Ghost. Like Ghost is a beginning, middle, end. The only four that were definitely repeatable but did not have a sequel, Pretty Woman, I feel like they could add a sequel for that where now they're married and living in the Hamptons and it just goes a totally different direction.

My wife would have gone. Just so you guys know. It's a terrible movie, but yeah. I'm just saying it could have happened. They basically, they make Runaway Bride, which was the unofficial Pretty Woman sequel. Pretty Woman 2 only works if she becomes a prostitute again. Again. Like a high class call girl. Pretty Woman 2, back to the streets. Pretty Woman 2, back to the streets. That's the only way that movie works. That sounds amazing.

Amazing. So he loses all of his money. Yeah. She's got to go back. He lost his money in Madoff. She's like, let me chip in. In Madoff. And then she's like, no problem. She's back at the polo games. She's back doing the whole thing. That's the only way that works. Let me talk to that polo guy again. The Fugitive, which I feel like they could have done. They did make it. They did US Marshals. Right. But it wasn't officially The Fugitive. So it's like a semi-sequel. I mean, it is. Harrison Ford's not in it, though. Okay. It's a sequel. Semi-sequel. Yeah.

True Lies, no sequel. No sequel. Twister, no sequel, but now a sequel. Yeah. Coming out. Yeah.

So basically, True Lies is the only one that was the all-time no-brainer. Let's run this back. And they just didn't. And they didn't because Arnold got older and because James Cameron got rich. Do you think that part of that... I mean, so Cameron's a huge part of it. I think he's the entire part of it. He's the entire part of it. If this is Rennie Harlan for True Lies 2, we don't care. So this movie was crucially made during a Bond hiatus. They weren't making Bond movies. There was like a...

Oh, so this goes to number two. This is the best Bond movie the past 40 years. Let's go. So, but it is fully the fucking Big Mac movie.

Burger King, Big Gulp version of Bond. It is the American version of Bond where it's just like everything goes boom even louder. Like the gadgets are crazier. First 15 minutes is a Bond movie. The last 20 minutes are an Arnold movie. Right. Crossed with Bond. Tom thought he had it with Mission Impossible. He actually ended up inventing a whole new genre. He thought that that was the American Bond movie, but it's actually too heady.

The Bond movies aren't as heady as the plot of the original Mission Impossible was. They're not that heady when you look at them. It's about cool gadgets and one guy driving all of the action. This movie, actually, when I thought about it last night, it was early on, and maybe you guys will be able to pull my code if I'm missing something, on the regular guy conundrum that we would see

like go big later on. In the 2000s. In the 2000s. The Sopranos breaking back. Like before this, I don't remember thinking, okay, well, what does Bond do when he goes home? Or what, like what happens to the mob boss, like at his house, in his crib, a little bit of that and Goodfellas and stuff. There was some family stuff, but this one, part of the movie gets like pulled under by the fact that he's having personal problems. And that's what Schwarzenegger was interested in. Cause this is based on a French movie, right? Where it's like a spies, how,

like home life. Based on La Total. Yeah. And that was like, Schwarzenegger was like, what happens when he goes home? Is that your last Arnold attempt? Don't give up on it. I had you penciled down for more later. Yeah. It was a 1991 French comedy. Arnold saw it because it was suggested by his, uh, his wife's brother. His mate?

And he was like, whoa. And then all of a sudden, Tom Hanks came into it. What Bond movie do you like more than this? Skyfall. Casino Royale? Skyfall. Skyfall. Yeah. Interesting. I think I might like... More than True Lies? Yes. Okay, well, we're comparing two different types of movies. Yeah, but he asked me what Bond movie I like more. I know, but I'm saying I would say that Skyfall and Casino Royale are better. All right, so you're on an airplane. Yeah.

And you're flying and there's only three movies, Skyfall, Casino Royale, and True Lives. And you're flying to Australia and it's an 18 hour flight. And the only time you can watch TV is it has to be one of those three movies. Yeah. What's the order? Why am I going to Australia? Just go with the bid. What order? Cause it's like. What's the one you, what's the one you watch first?

I watch Casino Royale and then Skyfall and then True Lies. So you're saving True Lies for last and you're a little groggy. A little palate cleanser. Yeah. Because Casino Royale and Skyfall are somewhat... True Lies is more fun than those movies. Those movies are even a little bit more dour and different than the regular Bond movies from the past. They're not as much fun as the Bond movies from the past. Yeah. But they're better movies probably than True Lies. Where do you stand, Craig?

On what is a better movie? True Lies versus those two Bond movies. I think Skyfall and Casino are better. Okay. But again, they're playing different games. It's not the same thing. But Craig, you're on a flight to Australia. Yeah, Craig, you're not coming back either. The plane's going down. You have to save it by watching one film. I'm going Paxton. You have to. All right. So then that leads to the last one, Arnold's greatest performance ever, which you talked about. And I think...

I think for me, the answer is yes. And I'm about as big of an Arnold fan as it gets. And I've liked him in a lot of different things. But I think this is the one movie where he blended all the things that worked in other movies. In some ways, it's Arnold karaoke. But he's just, his accent isn't, like, he's not leaning on it too much for comedic crutches.

He's doing the action stuff, but he's not like completely overpoweringly gigantic. He's able to do this stuff with his wife. He's doing like subtle comedy stuff. He's tangoing with Tia. He's tangoing. This is like, I think this is his acting apex mountain.

Yeah, I mean, respectfully, I don't know if that's saying a ton, but yeah. Jesus. I love Arnold Schwarzenegger movies are really good, but what are we talking? It's not like my left foot. It's like he does a really good job in this movie. God damn, CR. God.

God damn! I didn't know I was here with Pauline Kael! I didn't know I was here with Lee Strasberg! But that's the reason why, though, this is his best performance. Because it's the one that's asking him for the most. Listen, Arnold's not Sir Lawrence Olivier. Yeah, I wasn't... He's one of the great popcorn actors of our lifetime, and this is probably his best movie.

But there's also... Although I do love Total Recall. Total Recall is pretty great. Total Recall is good. So is this their Total Recall in the finals? I think it's this, though, because he has to do a lot. There's a lot of charm. Yeah. And then he has to be, like, super upset. And then he has to snap right back into being the coolest guy on the planet. So it's asking him for more, too, in true life. I gotta say, I really... And I've talked about this in past pods. I really miss...

not having 2024's version of Arnold and Sly. I really feel like those, like in the NBA, we've always been able to replace our favorite players with the next generation of guys. I mean, is that supposed to be Vin Diesel and The Rock now, but they're just like, they're not delivering? He never got there. Vin Diesel only got there as Dom Toretto. You took a very strong stance on The Rock. He never got there. The Rock had a million bites at the apple. It just never happened. If you really look at it,

The Rock, for a lot of the solo one-off Rock movies that are supposed to be a big deal, a lot of times those movies don't work. Like, The Rock has things that he can do. Did he do Skyscraper and San Andreas? Both of them. Chris, if you're flying to Australia and they have The Rock's entire catalog...

Where would you start? Walking Tall? San Andreas? The Rock's in bad movies. Yeah. I mean, when you compare them to those guys, I mean, think of a movie like Cobra. Cobra felt like a big, huge deal. Stallone made bad movies that were better than any good Rock. Tango and Cash is probably better than any Rock movie. Do you know the Rock movie that I had the most invested in that just really left...

Jungle Cruise? It was Pain and Gain. Oh, yeah. He's good, right? But that was the one that I was like, this has to be it, right? Like, I was like, Michael Bay, and it's, you know, I just really wanted more from that movie. Well, the good news is he bought an NFL team in Ballers, so it all worked out. That movie just sucks. He's also in a Safdie movie coming out. Well, maybe that'll be it. So this is Arnold's big comeback film after Last Action Hero, which C.R. mentioned.

I have all the premiere magazines from the 90s, which I rarely get because sometimes we'll do movies and I'm like, oh, they must have done and they don't have the piece. This one, they're writing about Arnold. Arnold is one of their guys. The last action hero feature is hilarious because it's basically like Arnold flying too close to the sun where it's like,

he was all over every aspect of this movie and he's deciding what was in the poster and this was arnold's vision and he does also a super expensive script right right well he wanted to be post-violence so there's like no guns in it and he's like this is there was a toy there's an action figure that he approved and the whole article is about like arnold has been our biggest movie star but now he's about to take the next step and become a movie corporation

And that movie bombed. And then True Lies, it's like, you know what worked? Me being Arnold in a really good movie with James Cameron. And guess what? He shot a lot of people in True Lies. He sure did. So it happens. I don't know.

I was going to do a list, but I didn't. I thought it would be too complicated. But the Flew Too Close to the Sun movie. Oh, yeah. It's like the Michael Cimino, Heaven's Gate. Oh, yeah. Like those guys coming off something awesome where they're just like, I can do anything. I'm superhuman. And now we're going to only shoot two hours a day for the whole thing. And it ends up ruining your whole career. It didn't happen with Arnold, but a lot of people have that movie. Yeah, because there's the actor version of it where it's like you've missed everything.

You've misunderstood what people like about you or you're playing too much with what people like about you. Like when Bill Murray did Razor's Edge. It's like, no, no, we just want you to do comedy. And then there's the director one where it's just like, Bach looks now. Really feeling it. Actors come back from it more than directors do. Sometimes that movie for directors ends them because it can be such a massive loss. Like Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate ended Chimino, but then right after Drive...

Gosling did that was the super violent I go to only God only God forgives yeah and he get it people hated it but Gosling I didn't hate it yeah I didn't hate it I like it yeah Chris fucks with all Gosling movies yeah so good yeah the director is a tough one because if they blow too much money yeah they make a bad movie you can't

you can't buy a drink in this town yeah actors they're almost like athletes like Arnold's 93 last action hero that just becomes the year he got knocked out in round one it'd be like Embiid if that only happened once in Embiid's career except for every year you know when you get I'm getting sick of it too I'm not even I'm not even in the 76 it's fucking July it's like what are you doing

It'd be like a year where we didn't make the Eastern Conference Finals. That wasn't every single year. If he winds up figuring it all out on Team USA and being the most important component of a gold medal winning team and you're like, I'm on vacation. I'm going to fucking quit. If you don't stand before the man and say like, I was wrong. After watching him against Canada, I don't think I'm going to have to worry about that moment. Training wheels. He's just getting the rust off. He needs to get more than the rust off. He needs to get 15 pounds off.

Jesus Christ. Arnold goes. Do you write Jalen Brown's tweets, by the way? Listen, Mickey's keeping him down. Arnold goes from 87 on Predator, Running Man, Red Heat, Twins, Total Recall, Kindergarten Cop, Terminator 2, Last Action Hero, True Lies and Junior in 94 together. Yeah.

it's quite a run he's at 90 percent jr was an iffy one but it made money made money yeah people liked it and then in 90 he took 95 off and in 96 he was mr freeze and batman and robin he was a racer he did and he did jingle all the way so he did three and it was it just treading water at that point didn't feel totally the same that was here stallone put out daylight and it just felt like oh this era's it's kind of over we're heading toward

I don't know. They like Cage. We're heading toward Tom Cruise. Also, the action hero is changing, right? Yeah. So the action hero is going from the big buff, like literally, I rip a phone. I could win any fight ever. Yeah. And then it's going to normal guys. Tom Cruise. Matt Damon comes along a little while after that. Nick Cage and Con Air. All of that is changing a little bit.

I was gonna save this but I want to actually ask this now is that when you watch true lies now And I know obviously you love Arnold. We all love Arnold, but like when you watch it Do you ever Chris imagine the kind of actor that you're talking about the later 90s? Normal everyday guy in the role of Harry. Let me tell you why like who let me tell you why it doesn't work for me Like like Nick Cage five years later. Um, um, Ben Affleck

Ben Affleck. Doesn't work the same way. Let me tell you why it doesn't work. It doesn't work to me because part of the comedy in the role is he's so gigantic, he's so big, and he just gets cut down to size. It's almost as if, which they probably did, they tailored it around what Arnold could do. The team is built around him. So with any other one of those guys, the movie, you can see their softness and their frailty a little bit more. Oddly enough, it would work with Stallone.

Nobody's funnier with truth serum than Schwarzenegger. The truth serum scene. The reason I ask is because there's a fight scene in True Lies, the bathroom fight scene, which just gets ripped off slash homage paid to by Mission Impossible. Full-fledged ripoff. So you watch the fight scene in True Lies, and you fully believe that Arnold can fuck up a bathroom full of terrorists. In Mission Impossible, it's like,

come on, man. Five, seven Tom Cruise is beating on all these guys who are rushing him in the bathroom. It's like, it's just a different way of looking at action scenes of like, this is almost boring because he's so strong he's going to win versus like, there's no way this guy could win this fight. Also, they changed the way those scenes went.

When Arnold's doing it, he's dodging, boom, boom, boom, grabbing somebody, throwing them into a wall. Every once in a while, Tom Cruise just throws his whole body into the opponent. He's scrapping, and it makes it more dramatic, but it's still kind of more fun when you watch Arnold do it in a way. Henry Cavill was good in that one. Yeah, he's good. That's when he gets the arms jacked up. The Premiere Magazine summer preview from 94, I sent this to CR.

It predicted the top 20 box office and it predicted true lies number one.

And then the rest of the top five was The Lion King, Maverick, The Flintstones, and I Love Trouble, which was a bomb. Oh, yeah. I love Trouble. And then it had The Mask predicted at number 10, Forrest Gump at 11, and Speed at 12. Oh, it fucked up. They're stupid. And for Forrest Gump, it said, could be the sleeper of the summer. So as we always say, nobody knows anything. But yeah, they at least had the true lies. There was so much anticipation for this movie because Cameron had hit the point.

After Terminator 2, where it's like, whatever that guy's doing, I'm there on Friday. But funnily enough, this one and I Love Trouble both had like...

man, I heard James L. Brooks has scrapped the Prince soundtrack and is just reshooting this movie because I'm in Trouble is supposed to be a musical with songs by Prince. Yeah. And they changed it. For this, it was like James Cameron's got people working on the 91st straight day without a break and he's taking over the Florida Keys. This movie might never finish. And it's actually, I miss...

crazy sets like that. Like, I'm sure that there was a lot of like stress involved, but I wish we got more like reports where it's like, we're on day 126. Like, you know, this guy is still waiting for the sun to come out. It was the first film with a production budget of over a hundred million. Interesting. And that whole premiere magazine article in July is all about Cameron. And it's weird. It's like, this guy is a complete psycho.

Everyone on the set is miserable. Nobody gets time off. All kinds of laws are being broken. They're wearing t-shirts. I'll never work on true lies too and shit like that. And then everybody's like, but I love the guy. I'd work with him again. It was like some crazy genius. Almost like a cult leader. Yeah. It's like peak culture. I was thinking like an actual cult where you read about the cult and you go, how do these people not? Yeah.

understand they're in a cult. It seems like that was... Because of the results. Because of the results, because they're like, oh, this all pays off. Am I the only person...

because I didn't run out and see True Lies right away. Am I the only person that heard people raving about Tom Arnold's performance in this movie until it made you curious about the movie? Tom Arnold- He was a joke at that point. He was a joke at that point. He was divorced from Roseanne. He was really famous, though. He was because of Roseanne Barr. But he was divorced from Roseanne. She was busting his balls on The Tonight Show and making it seem like he couldn't get it up and all this shit. And he was fatter, but he was skinnier for this movie.

And I think it was kind of a revelation. I think you're right. And people were talking about, like, Tom Arnold is really awesome in this, and he's funny, and he's the perfect foil for Arnold Schwarzenegger, and they should do more money. I heard your boy Roger Ebert talking about this when they did the movie, and I was like, oh my God, like,

Like, interesting. I didn't know that he was actually a thing until this movie. If you only saw this movie, you would think he was one of the great comedic actors of that decade. And you would think Bill Paxton was the single funniest person on there. Yeah, you would think Bill Paxton was Eddie Murphy. Yeah, you're like, did Bill Paxton, did he make a billion dollars in comedies?

All right, Jamie Lee Curtis. You want to do this now or later, Van? It doesn't matter. All right, we'll do it later. We'll save it. Yeah. Is there an Oscar case for her? I was looking at the best actress and supporting actress. I'll just read you the best actress. It's bad. Jodie Foster got nominated for Nell. Oh, Nell.

Susan Saranda got nominated for The Client. Okay. She's really good in The Client. Rana Richardson and Tom and Viv. Jessica Lange and Blue Skies, she won. And Winona Ryder and Little Women, those were our nominees. That's a tough year. Put that there. And then for Supporting Actress, Uma lost for Pulp Fiction. Helen Mirren in The Madness of King George. Rosemary Harris and Tom and Viv. Diane Wiest won for Bullets Over Broadway. And Jennifer Tilly got nominated. For what? For what?

that unfortunately got edited. I think it was that, wasn't that that movie she made with Joey Pants? Bound? Yeah. I think she got nominated for Bound. Okay. Okay. Now you should just say, you got your priors, you hate Nell. Nell is one of the worst movies ever. So that would be your slot, right? Nell was like, critically acclaimed. Yeah. I don't know what we were doing in 94. No, it was, well, you're talking about Jennifer Tilly? Yeah. Bullets Over Broadway. Oh, she was also in that, yeah.

Back when we just gave Woody Allen two Oscar nomination slots for whatever movie he made. I don't know. Would you have thrown her a supporting actress bone, CR? I think she would get actress because she's co-lead with Schwarzenegger. They share a title card in this. I don't think so. No? Okay. I mean, she was really good, but I don't think she... She's no Nell. She's no Nell. She should have talked in that Nell language. Nell going crazy. But you remember this era where like...

I'm telling you for the people listening because we keep mentioning it now I think that's funny and it's just really funny to me go to YouTube and watch a scene from now and ask yourself how this movie was released in theaters 30 years ago it's a passion project man it was certainly passionate uh

Jamie Lee underrated, overrated, or properly rated, CR? At this point? Yeah. I think properly rated. I think she's gotten a lot of flowers because of, well, also a lot of derision, but a lot of flowers. Dan, I'm going to give you your best eight movies ever. Halloween, Trading Places, True Lies, Fish Called Wanda, My Girl, Freaky Friday, Halloween H20, and the Everything Everywhere All the Time, whatever that movie was called. All at Once. All at Once. She just is like a really dependable B plus A minus list star.

I think she's, I think her IMDb is a little better than what the talent was, to be honest. What do you mean?

Those are really good movies. But she holds her own in all those movies. She's in the greatest horror movie ever. Yeah, but she's good in it, though, is what I'm saying. She's good. So what I'm saying is... So you're saying she's Dak Prescott. Kind of. A little bit. Again? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. That's actually not bad, though. I know you're just trying to hate on everyone you can in one podcast. I'm not trying to hate on Dak Prescott. This is a new category. What am I hating on? What quarterback is this? What quarterback is this? Greg, has Dak Prescott won more than one career playoff game? Can you look that up for me? What's Dak Prescott? Because I think the answer is one. What is Dak Prescott's Halloween?

Come on. Throwing for like 5,000 yards or something like that? Come on. Come on. What is it? Well, I'm saying it's not Dak Prescott. So she's better than Dak Prescott. She's in one of your 10 favorite movies. Is she Matt Ryan? She's Dak Prescott. Well, first of all. She's Matt Ryan. Well, number one, she's won a championship. So she has to be somebody. Halloween is a title. Well, Halloween is a title. Matt Ryan won an MVP, which is like an Oscar. Yeah. So she's Matt Ryan. Maybe. That's not bad. It feels weird, though.

The only reason why I say that is because in all of those movies that you're talking about, Fish Called Wanda, that's a great cast. She holds her own in the movie. She plays Wanda. But she holds her own in the movie. She never gets overwhelmed by the talent around her. She makes the movie better in every single movie that you're talking about, including Trading Places. Eli Manning? She's Matt Stafford? Eli Manning?

Eli. Eli Manning. That's good. Eli. Eli Manning. She's Eli. She's Eli Manning. She's got all the accolades. I'm glad we figured this out. Can we go? $100 million budget made $378 million. Third biggest movie in 94. One Oscar nomination. Best visual effects. Our guy Raj. What do you think? Three. Three. Yeah, three stars. I personally think this is a three and a half-er.

A little upset with Raj. Okay. You don't like it. But he did say, it's stuff like that we go to Arnold Schwarzenegger movies for, and True Lies has a lot of it. Laugh out loud moments when the violence is so cartoonish, we don't take it seriously, and yet we are amazed that it's inventiveness and audacity. He did call the plot perfunctory. It's nonsense. Yeah. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'm sorry if I seem a little bit distant right now because I'm imagining... No, you're in your weird fucking... All you care about is House of the Dragon. That's fine. No, I'm imagining... We're getting like... You're like the... What an accusation! No, it's House of the Dragon and it's like, oh my god, somebody killed somebody! We gotta record on late Friday afternoons more often. This is great. I am imagining us going back through every Rewatchables just to put in what quarterback this is.

Oh my God. But it would be funny if we made it match to when the rewatchable was recorded. Like that's Brett Hundley. Pro bowler. Who's that dude who took over for Lamar? Tyler Huntley. Tyler Huntley. Brett Huntley was on the Packers. Yeah. UCLA. Yeah. Minshew.

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Here's my invitation. You can see the tango. You can see Arnold headbutting two Dobermans.

We had to say skiing machine gun guys. That feels the most Bond-y. Yeah. It's also really funny that Cameron, to do that out the exterior shot where you see the chalet, it was like he used half footage from the Alps, half footage from Lake Tahoe, and footage from somewhere else and put it all together. And I'm like, just shoot one place. Nobody cares. And he's like, no, we got to match three different locations. I like when he does that. Can you lean back a second? And shoots like two more guys.

When I see the skiing machine gun guys, I always feel like when you see people like that in a movie, like what a waste of great talent, right? Those guys? Yeah. Like you're, you think about that job where you have to,

You have to learn how to shoot guns accurately. While skiing. You have to learn how to ski. Then you have to learn how to combine those two skills. I'm guessing that's like six, seven months. Isn't that an Olympic sport? Yeah. Where you ski and then you shoot the biathlon? Yeah, the biathlon. But these guys, they're going fast. They have machine guns. So like one of those guys, let's say one of the guy's names is Hans.

Hans goes home that night and he's like, how was work, honey? He's like, it's great, man. I'm really, really figuring out the shooting somebody as I'm on skis. You know what the funny thing is? And then like Arnold kills him in two seconds. The reality is you're talking about that guy, but really-

That's an executive problem. It's some boss somewhere going, you know what? It's management. It's management. You know what we need? Because guys are coming in here. They're getting away. We need somebody who can ski. We need guys who can shoot at the same time. So they go back to the guy who owns the house and they're like,

He got away from the skiing machine gun guys and the guy's like, fuck! He thought that was going to work. We spent eight months on this. Do you think for those guys, it's easy. It's like the longest yard where it's like, let's just get football players. We can teach them how to act. Do you think it's like, so he recruits skiers. Do you think it's let's get skiers. We can teach them how to fight or let's get soldiers. We can teach them how to ski. No, I think they get the skiers. You probably, it's probably good skiers. You get the skiers and you teach them how to shoot, which is why they can't hit you. Okay. I like that scene. I really liked this scene. The Georgetown mall bathroom fight.

Where do you stand on the cigarette sunglasses combo with the cigarette pack, the gadget? I would get confused about where something was. I feel like that would give me a headache immediately. I can't even wear, like, reading glasses. Fucking... Somebody behind me? Mission Impossible just rips it off. Just, it's a flat-out rip-off. Even the bathroom kind of looks like... McQuarrie would say I paid homage to it, right? Sure. Actually...

I have that in What's Asia's Best. That scene comes back a bunch of times. That bathroom fight scene they're doing in Bad Boys. Maybe Bad Boys was before this.

Every time it happens, I get grossed out when somebody's face gets dunked in a urinal or a toilet. Always disgusting. They could be cleaning that toilet for like two hours and I still feel bad for the actor. Like, oh man, I got to shoot my urinal face scene now. Jesus. This is a funny, also like when you're watching this, it sets the level of the violence that we're going to get. It's pretty intense. Like dudes getting shot with AKs at close range.

Yeah. Just blow it. Explosions, the whole nine, yeah. Right into one of the best chase scenes ever filmed in Washington, D.C. A horse versus a motorcycle. This police horse, just fortunate. Yeah. This police horse turned into secretariat for some reason. And it's our, by the way, it's,

The first inkling that we get that Harry Tasker can do anything. Yeah. Well, we already know he can speak multiple languages. He speaks multiple languages, but there's no mode of transportation that he hasn't mastered. He's a master of all forms of marksmanship, of fighting styles. Flying. Flying. He can be a pilot. He can do everything. But impress Chris. He still has James Bond in the finals against him.

Is it because Bond's English? Yeah, that's right. I'm pulling for the English national team, so I'm voting for Bond. If England ever plays America in the World Cup, you know CR's rooting for. You want it for England? No. Why not? Deep down. I would root for the United States of America. Just move there, CR. We don't want you. I feel really patriotic right now. One of my favorite things, this should be at what's age the worst, and it's not.

I think the obvious stunt double for Arnold is so fucking funny. That's in the What's Aged to Worst. I have to. It's a What's Aged to Worst, but it's also hilarious. It's so bad. It's every scene, though. He's wearing like an Arnold mask, though, right? Like there's on the horse, there's a scene of the, I mean, Arnold almost died riding this horse in the filming. But I think there's a shot in this scene where he's going through the fountain where it looks like really disturbing because it looks like someone wearing an Arnold helmet. Yeah.

It's weird Cameron has so much money that he's not like, ah, the Blu-ray for True Lies is coming out. But he's literally inventing that technology as he goes along. I think it's funny because it makes me think of the 80s and 90s because we had that shit all the time. Yeah. The super obvious stunt doubles were hilarious. There's something that we used to be used to that we just got...

It just never happens anymore. What's your favorite one ever? I have a clear number one favorite ever. There's a Lethal Weapon one where it's clearly just this stunt guy wearing a mullet for Mel Gibson. Yeah. And he has to crash through like a window or something like that. I can't. We've done one where we were fucking crying with laughter. Which one? Well, the best one ever.

This is why I like heat slightly more than you. Oh, because of Rollins? Pacino turns into a big burly Asian guy for two seconds. I don't riddle. A big,

A big, burly Asian guy dressed in Vincent Hanna tackles Henry Rollins. I don't remember that. And I don't know how Michael Mann, I don't know how they left it in the movie. Oh my God. All of a sudden, he's Chong Li for like a second and a half. And he throws him through a screen door, right? Yeah. And it's like, that's definitely not Al Pacino. They must have tried it with Al and realized that he had smoked so many cigarettes that day. Now they won't do it, whatever. And the Irishman, where they clearly needed one during the fight scene outside, they just let

of 150-year-old Robert De Niro kick that shit. I'm all for using subtle CGI to make the old classics better. I've talked about Rocky I, where there's just clear shots of empty seats in the spectrum. And you just want to AI-populate it? Just fucking spend 25,000 bucks. Put some fake fans in there. Jesus, we have all this shit now. The pool jump, which I think

First of all, it's almost a what's aged the worst because when it happened in the movie in 1994, it was like the craziest thing. My mind is melting out of my ears. Yeah, like nothing had happened like that in a movie. Now, Fast and Furious was doing that five times a movie, something like that. Yeah. Just raised the bar to like an unapproachable level. It's just inconceivable that somebody would even think to try to do that and the guy lands in the pool. First of all, they've got a horse and a motorcycle in an alleyway.

in elevators racing up to the roof. Like, that's just... Right. On its face is pretty crazy and funny. This whole scene is legitimately fucking Bat-Sauce crazy. You wonder because, like, you know, there's that one anecdote where Oliver Stone got high and then he starts riding, doing the whole thing in Natural Born Killers. You wonder...

if they were serious with this, okay, we're going to take the horse. It's going to get on the horse. We're going to put the horse in the elevator, put the horse that we're going to make the horse jump the whole night. The shit just keeps ratcheting up and ratcheting up. But the horse got spooked, right? Like that's why they didn't go through with like the horse fall. Like, I don't think the, like, I think they were pretending to,

They were doing like a run through because the story is Arnold almost got thrown off and thrown 90 feet and the stunt man saved them, which I don't know how apocryphal that is. Yeah. It seems like there is some truth to it. I find it hard to believe they would have been risking Arnold being thrown off a building. Good horse acting though. Yeah. I have just a step on a nitpick. I just think the elevator breaks.

Elevator breaks. Horses weigh what? 1,800 pounds? I was wondering about this. Isn't it like 6,000 pounds? How much does a horse weigh, Craig? Between 900 and 1,200. And what's the average elevator? Seven people? It's fine. And there's three other people in there? The elevator can, what, 3,500 people? 3,500 pounds?

Yeah, because three people aren't 600 pounds. Residential elevators, 500 to 1,500. Commercial passenger elevators, 2,500 to 5,000. That was on the edge. That was like a cool... It was a commercial. It's a passenger elevator. It's not a freight elevator. I think very conceivable that thing just breaks...

Because of the horse. Yeah. I also think it would have been funny if the horse shit in the elevator. I thought it was a huge missed opportunity. Toss in Arnold and two more people, that's another 600 pounds. They're over capacity. It's a miracle that thing went up. I wish you were Jim Carrey. Now I needed to make a giant dump right here on this woman's head. Same elevators in the line of fire. I know. It's so good, man. This is definitely apex mountain for glass elevators. Should we just do a rewatchables episode?

video shoot where we just go to famous locations? Sure. Because I would love to go to that hotel and just ride the elevator and then just cut us into... Should we go to that hotel and just ride the elevator? Just ride the elevator and film it. Should we go to the Book Depository again? That was great. I love that one. We could go to a couple of the heat houses. Yeah. The Pulp Fiction Diner. Arnold dangling off the roof is good too. Getting the horse to back up. That seems a little...

Next one, Harry overhearing his wife talking to Simon, and he tells Tom Arnold, Helen is having an affair. And he goes, welcome to the club. Welcome to the club, man.

Nobody thinks it can happen to them the first time, buddy. Same exact thing happened to me with wife number two. Remember? I had no idea nothing's going on, right? I come home one day and the house is completely empty. And I mean completely empty. She even took the ice cube trays out of the freezer. What kind of a sick bitch takes the ice cube trays out of the freezer?

And Tom Arnold proceeds to be hysterical. He's even, he's super funny before that. He's just, what kind of a sick bitch takes the ice cream trays out of the freezer, which apparently Roseanne did in real life and they worked it in this. Yeah. He told James Cameron, stop cheering me up. Um,

Next one, Chris's favorite scene. Arnold test drives the Corvette as Bill Paxton raves about how hot his wife is, not knowing it's his wife. The vet makes him wet. The level of insane shit that he's saying in this scene. Yeah. He said, like, I've seen the scene so many times, but obviously sucks start a leaf blower. Yeah. And then the other one, man.

She's like all these babes. You get their pilot lit, they can suck stardom leaf blower. Oh, God, she's got the most incredible body. And a pair of titties make you want to stand up and beg for buttermilk. Ass like a 10-year-old boy.

Ass like a 10 year old boy. What the fuck is happening, bro? This is such a crazy. I think it's kind of unlike any other scene in James Cameron's filmography where he lets somebody cook for five minutes like this. Do you think Bill Paxton was just like clear out, clear out?

Clear the side of the court for me. My favorite thing is when he's like, what's your secret, man? He's like, oh, I can't tell you. And then the next cut is like, he's drinking a Pepsi and eating tacos. And he's like, here's what you do. I'll tell you, it's fine. Great stuff. Rating Paxton and Jamie Lee on the trailer is fun. The hotel seduction scene. Let's clear out for Van the way we just cleared out for Bill Paxton. Okay. So the category is called most rewatchable scene. Yeah. And so...

There is no argument what scene is the most rewatchable scene. This is a Hall of Fame, Milk, First Team White Girls scene right here.

It's a heart stopper. It could be used to do anything. You could bring Dr. Umar Johnson in and sit him down and you put it on, he might reconsider. She explodes out of nowhere. God rest daddy's soul. He was like, what the hell is, what's going on with that? I'm like, that's Jamie Lee Curtis. Oh, she always been like that. Yeah, because you remember from Trading Places. Yeah, she always been like that. Just out of nowhere, perfectly shot.

And really, the last stand of Jamie Lee was she just had to remind these motherfuckers real quick. And then went back into Momville. Right. Started selling, like, what was it? Yogurt to make you go to the bathroom or something? It was Activia. Activia. This was the last stand before Activia. After this, it was over. And then she won an Oscar and she's also in The Bear. She's amazing. But I'm saying, for the Jamie Lee that I came up with. Right.

I like Last In. This is like the 98 finals for MJ. This is it. Just one more time. She did that scene and then she went back to the locker room with pride holding the trophy. And everybody was like literally see y'all got the internet now so it's different but everybody was like god damn because there was a lot of people

that were coming up that didn't know she had it like that and a lot of people that were like, oh. Right, because it's 12 years after Trading Places. Also, Perfect, which is on Tubi and I may or may not have watched four weeks. I love the idea though that you're like stumbling out of a movie theater Baton Rouge with like other 15 year olds and be like, I didn't know she had it like that. It's true. It's true.

It's true. Let's go back play some video games. But look, you know what? The metamorphosis that happens just before she goes in... When she pulls the dress apart. When she Jamie's herself, she pulls the dress apart. Does a lipstick. She does a lipstick. And then automatically, you're like, oh, shit. But then...

She even goes to another level when she gets out of the dress. That is a Hall of Fame. I could post that scene right now and say, I bet y'all didn't know that Jamie Lee Curtis had it like that. Two million views. I would encourage people to go to Tubi and watch Jamie Lee Imperfect just for the first ten minutes of the movie. There's a... Because that was her all time. Interesting. That movie has no plot, by the way. Perfect.

Yeah, she's just an aerobics instructor. John Travolta is a Rolling Stone reporter. He's like, I'm going to write a story about how aerobics are the, these places are the new singles bars. It's literally one of those movies. It's awful. It's terrible, but it's literally about how attractive the two leads are. Right. Jan Wenner plays the Rolling Stone editor, but his name isn't Jan Wenner. It's like Rob Johnson. No.

It's like, why aren't you just yelling at her? It's Rolling Stone. I would just say that my favorite part of this, other than the JLC just out of her mind performance, is how creepy it is that Harry's got the vocoder on, masking his voice and being like, for now, take off your distress. How much do those cost you? Just get those on Amazon. I'll send you a link, yeah. The truth serum scene is just fantastic.

Because we get Arnold and Tia Carrera, who we haven't even talked about. She's coming. There's a reason. Is there anything you'd like to tell me before we start? I'm going to kill you pretty soon. I see. How exactly? First, I'm going to use you as a human shield. Then I'm going to kill this guard over there with a Patterson troll car on the table. And then I was thinking about breaking your neck. And what makes you think you can do all that?

you know my handcuffs i've picked them then i'm gonna kill this god over there the truck on the table and then i was thinking about breaking your neck the fight scene's great she says i married rambo and then we get arnold against a hundred terrorists and he somehow wins it's a just a wonderful 10 minutes that whole deal he gets out there he's shooting everyone

The coolest shit ever when he steps on the gun and it kicks up into his hand and he just starts deading people. All of this in front of his wife who had no idea he was a spy. As of like 10 minutes ago. No idea. She's such a badass. Florida Keys chaos. Trucks blown up. The truck that falls off the edge with three terrorists. The catfight in a limo between Tia and Jamie Lee. Harry rescues Helen. And this is what we talked about earlier. The, uh...

How the hell did they do that scene? Yeah. Because this was 1994. We didn't have scenes like this where a limo is driving down a Florida Keys bridge and Arnold's on a helicopter pulling his wife out. And it really seems like they're doing it, which apparently they did a version of it. Well, Jamie Lee does do some of that stunt. And Cameron was also in the helicopter doing it with her. I think the thing that's so cool about this is there's a picture of...

the filmmakers, like the production team sitting on the model version of this, the seven mile bridge that they used with like the model trucks. And it's really cool. They're sitting in like a water tank or whatever they're doing, wherever they shot this.

And you're like looking at it, you're like, holy shit, that's that's what they filmed this on. Like that's this sort of magic trick that movie making can do sometimes. But then those are actually Harrier jets. Like there's this mixed mixture of like invention and also excess that he's able to rent multiple Harrier jets for for the production and have them fly so close to the helicopter. It's just insane.

Yeah, it's part of the brilliance of the movie. He's just inventing shit that we hadn't seen yet. There's a version of this where Jamie Lee accidentally falls to her death and then it's like disgraced former hit director James Cameron is quietly trying to put his career together. That's where greatness lives, bro. Yeah. Right at the edge of... Saving Dana from the plane, which also is probably the most unrealistic part of the movie because his 14-year-old daughter is just...

hanging on the front of a plane for 10 minutes. But it does lead to firing a terrorist off of a missile through a building and into a helicopter. Telling him, you're fired. But even... You're fired. I have nitpicks with the whole thing, but you know, Dana and the wife...

acclimate to being a spy family. Like pretty quickly. I have some thoughts on that. Yeah. The one year later, the great ending with the tango. That's it. What do you got for most rewatchable, CR? I have the motorcycle horse chase through the Marriott up the elevator and then off of the roof. Yeah, I have it as well. I have Jamie Lee Curtis' dance, obviously. But I do want to say that when they're first walking into a mega sector and

Tom Arnold is just going a mile a minute with the jokes. He's like, she's probably stealing the money to pay for the movies. Or drugs. Or drugs. He goes, just open the fucking door. That whole thing makes me laugh. But when I tell you that there was a VHS that I had one time that had assorted scenes on there. Yeah. And the Jamie Lee Curtis dance was one of the scenes just by itself. Not even the whole movie. I had it on there. Was it, was the VHS called white girl hall fan? No, we had a name, but that wasn't the name. Okay.

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A category we don't get to give out very much. The Elizabeth Shue is an Oxford Electrochemist Award. God, this is a great category. I love it so much. We never get to give it out that much, but we get to give it out for this movie to Tia Carrera as Juno Skinner, a wealthy and evil arts and antiquities dealer specializing in ancient Persia. Yeah. Because these people exist. She's the Bond girl. It's like she is like the- Dr. Christmas Jones, nuclear physicist. Yeah, it's Goldfinger's assistant. Denise Richards, yeah.

Most unused resource of the 1990s to your career? She's in this and Wayne's World. I could have done five more with her. I didn't like her in this. No? Did you like her in general? I did, but I liked her showdown in Little Tokyo.

Okay, she's throwing a little Tokyo, Dolph Lundgren, Brandon Lee, rest in peace. I love her dad. I loved her in all those. In this one, she kind of just seemed like, this seemed like they needed somebody. Like, I have her later on. It seemed like she was going for Lucy Liu type of Kill Bill, mysterious badass, and she couldn't quite get there for me. She had the one tick. She has like the one move in this movie where she's just always like, bye.

bottle of like a glass of champagne despite the fact that it's an incredibly you know anxious scene yeah that seemed to be the sum total of it but she enjoyed herself on this movie so she's a generation x icon definitely point that out beloved what's age the best uh hot action movie characters named juno skinner

Counterterrorism agency is named Omega Sector. Omega Sector. Last line of defense. What do you got, CR? I think Truth Serum in movies is a great, great... I have Truth Serum as well. Like, more... We should have more Truth Serum in movies. Should that just be a Netflix show? It's like season three of Truth Serum is out. Yeah.

But you actually give it to people for real though. Yeah. Just give it to married couples. Give it to married couples for real. Truth serum. They should like, we should do it. They should shoot us full of truth serum. It's like, I've always preferred Colin Coward to you, Bill. He's a better monologuist.

- I gotta be honest with you, it's not a bad idea for a show. - Truth serum. - You get some truths from people, you put them on the, or lies. - Yeah, Craig, cut this out. We're making this. - Can I actually ask? - I said it out loud, but I didn't want to. - Truth serum is real, right? - I don't think truth serum's real. - Sodium pentothal. I don't know if it, I don't know if it's real. - I don't think it works. - I love how much we're like turning to you to be like, how many times can I elevator hold? - No, it's, I don't know how effective it actually is, but sodium pentothal, like something that's actually called truth serum is a real thing. I don't know if it really works.

I don't think it works like it worked in this movie. Paxton's 1959 Corvette going for $17,599. Wait, how much did it go through? That's what it was for sale for in the used car lot. $17,599. Oh, see, I have a question about that because I freeze-framed it and it said it was, I thought it said $17599. No, it was $17. Let's just talk about Paxton for a second. For what stage the best? Yeah.

Because we're not doing bill paxton month by the way. I know we did it maybe we are though I'm not ruling it out. Okay It's not only the scene of the used car lot and it's not only when he's pretending to be the super side with Jamie Lee But the scene of him at the dam when he's gotten caught and he thinks they're gonna kill him is the fucking funniest thing I'm nothing I'm navel and

I have to lie to women to get laid. And I don't score much. I got a little dick. It's pathetic. Oh, oh, oh, God. Would a spy pee himself? Oh, God, please. I'm not worth a bullet. Oh, mercy, sir. Get the fuck out of here, huh? Just beat it.

then the callback where he pisses himself again that happens every time yeah like yeah I didn't really know he was capable of that kind of comedy he's as funny as he's ever been in his career in the whole fucking movie it's incredible yeah

The Cameron and John Landau connection was born on this movie. John Landau just passed away. And a lot of people, you can kind of tell when the feedback, when people in the movie industry dies, it goes a couple different levels. That one, it was like, it felt like everybody was talking about it. We haven't really talked about Crimson Jihad yet or their communication strategy, but I did think that the battery failing on the camcorder during the middle of the video is hilarious. Yeah.

How about taser guns that shoot people unconscious for short amounts of time? Short amounts of time. Taser gun? What taser gun? The thing they shot Barnum and Jamie Lee with. That's some kind of injectable, right? Yeah, those little side things. They only have them in movies. I don't think those exist in real life. That's an injectable. Or whatever. Yeah, taser injectable guns. What are those called? It's not a taser. What are those called?

You're talking about like a tranquilizer? We keep saying it's not a tranquilizer. It's a taser. Are you guys looking for the word tranquilizer? Yeah, tranquilizer. He doesn't need the word tranquilizer. He's obviously on one right now. Yeah, it's a trank dart. Trank dart. Trank gun dart. Yeah, taser. Trank taser. I'm here with President Putin. Yeah.

Oh my god. Cameron really got to destroy the bridge. Yeah. And it's still destroyed to this day. So I thought the bridge was a model. No, there was an actual bridge that was kind of a dead bridge. Oh, and they shot it with missiles? They blew it up. They blew it up, but they rebuilt some of the parts. Is that the bridge in Roadhouse? In the new Roadhouse? I don't know. There's a lot of weird Florida Keys bridges. Okay.

Here's what's aged the best. Are there a lot? Nobody's going to push back because there's a lot of weird. Florida Bridges. Florida's got long bridges. Yeah. It's a long bridge place. You've been to Miami. I've been to Miami a bunch. Some of these weird long bridges. You're like, where the fuck am I going? I don't know that they're weird. They're over water. So they're pretty useful. Arnold got top billing in his contract.

And then it was going to be the title. And then it was going to say Jamie Lee Curtis. And Cameron finished the film and he realized it was really a husband-wife film. And he called Arnold and he said, can we move Jamie Lee with you before the movie and the credits? And Arnold's like, that's a great idea. Yeah. And Curtis really appreciated it. You know what? There's 42 bridges in the Florida Keys. Oh, see? Are they weird? 37 of them are weird. Yeah.

CR what do you have for the Great Shack Order Award I think it's probably unlike most of the times we give out this award where it's like because of the lighting or the framing it's just the it's the ingenuity of the final Harrier Jet skyscraper sequence yeah just because it's like a 45 foot model that they use so that they could turn it around and stuff and it really feels like it's on a skyscraper yeah I'm with you I had Jamie hanging from the helicopter that's good that's just such a iconic scene yeah

Den of Thieves, Benny Hanna, where it seems to be on location. Either what CR just said or the bridge. The bridge just looks cool. The bridge looks cool. I'd say the Marriott elevator. Kid Cudi pursued a happiness award for best needle drop.

is whatever that song they're playing for the dance john hyatt was that playing that wasn't playing practically in the film right that was just no they kicked it in yeah in the scene in the movie it's quiet in there right yeah that's the weirdest part of that whole is it there's no music speaking fluent arabic and french yeah yeah well that's a recording that's not him yeah but but she's she's dancing she's dancing to nothing she's

The music, maybe it's in her head because she's dancing like she's dancing to that song. Correct, but no one presses play in the movie. There's no boom box.

Big Kahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink. I like Simon's Chinese restaurant. I always wondered what the Chinese restaurant proprietors thought of Simon. It's like, this guy brought another lady in and handed her a briefcase. Bring him his sweet and sour chicken. This guy is such a loser. The fucking people walk through the door. He goes for his fake gun. He's playing it up so fucking much. It's good. The Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film.

So a few options here. What do you got, T.R.? I think it's probably that I would imagine number one seed here is Tia. That's who I had. But I think through no fault of Art Malik's, I think the main villain does not get much of an arc. He's on 11...

And he never really adjusts very much. The first time you see him, the big reveal where he smacks the shit out of her twice in a row. Yeah. He's there for the rest of the time. And they don't really go into it as much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kyle Brandt and I did the bad guy in the dumb action movies we love. Like the scale one to ten. And the guy from Powers Booth and Sudden Death I thought was a one out of ten. Yeah.

The guy from toy soldiers is bad, but then it goes up and then Hans Gruber's a 10. This guy's not even a one. Oh, you think he's sub powers booth.

He's just not... I don't even... There's nothing. But I'll be honest. I think it could have been a good part. Put this in terms I understand. What quarterback would he be? Not playing. Nathan Peterman. Practice squad. Peterman. It's just they don't even attempt to try to have him be interesting. It's weird. It's a weird choice. You know what's funny though? And this is in like...

what's aged the worst I know Will gets it but this is a very pre 9-11 movie like a super duper and ridiculously even so yeah ridiculously pre 9-11 movie it's a what's aged the worst so they didn't want to they probably those guys are one note for a reason because at the point at the end of it they become like bumbling and cartoonish and buffoonish which seems like that was his intention yeah but

Yeah, I was thinking this is the end of some weird era. You think of Back to the Future and how the terrorists are used in that movie. And it's just the tail end of that. Yeah. You know what movie ended it to me? Starts to change in the 90s. I mean, even Top Gun, it's not terrorists, but it's like the evil. Yeah. But this was, wrestling was like this. Yeah. We had all these wrestling stereotypes. It was just what the 80s, 90s were like. But like the movie that ended it to me was The Siege.

Because when the Siege came out, when a trailer dropped to the Siege, they showed those guys praying in it and everyone went, no good, bad, can't do it, we've gone too bad, we've gone too far. And so they kind of changed the dynamic of it after that, but it was pretty common during this time. And it even changed in, as you know, wrestling reflects real life a lot of times. But even in wrestling, they kind of got away from the stereotype stuff by the mid-90s. You go to the late 70s, early 80s, and it's...

It's Mr. Fuji, Mr. Saito. It's Nikolai Volkov. That changed, though, after Booker T inadvertently called Hulk Hogan the N-word. That was a bridge too far. That was it. I'm coming for you! That was a bridge too far. A weird Florida bridge too far. Did we do Vincent Chase? What do you mean? The Vincent Chase Award for are we sure this character was really good at their job? No, we can do it for this. Spencer Trilby?

Charlton Heston? I'm sure we're going to get to Heston. I had a different answer for weak link of the film. Let me guess. The daughter. No. Oh, interesting. What am I, like a freaking daughter misogynist? A daughter misogynist? Okay. Yeah, go for whatever. The interrogation scene of Jamie Lee is too long.

It's literally 11 minutes. I thought that was the most human part of the whole movie. It's too long. It's 11 minutes. 11 minutes is fucking long. To mention it in rewatchables, it really ties the whole movie together. It's just too long. It's where he finds out she's not actually cheating. She becomes a 3D character. Let's get through it. What's aged the worst? I don't love the score in the beginning and I don't love the opening graphics. The opening graphics are bad.

Change those on camera when you go back for the Blu-ray. Hit those. So it's 1994, and Arnold's 14-year-old daughter is riding a motorcycle and listening to Cream?

Why isn't she listening to Nirvana or Audioslave? James Cameron respectfully sometimes seems like the kind of guy who has like 12 songs on a playlist and those are the only 12 songs he's ever heard. There's no way she's listening to Cream. It's like a 0% chance. But the only reason why I get slight pushback is because when I was in middle school, which was around that same time,

It was the white kids that introduced me to all of... They were so into the doors. Yeah, they were listening to all of that stuff. It's 94, man. She's listening to Soundgarden. Yeah, the music has never been better than it was in 94. I patched Charlton Heston.

He's just bad. I mean, if he was in the movie more, he would have been the weak link, but he's really only in it for four minutes. He's doing a Nick Fury impression right there. It's bad. And the impact of like, oh my God, Charlton Heston in this movie 30 years later is not aged. It was a stunt casting. I wrote down the terrorists aren't fun and they all kind of suck. What are the lamest terrorists in great movies? Raiders?

this movie, Back to the Future. Raiders are just Nazis. Yeah, they're not really. Well, I mean, bad guys. Bad guys. Oh, the lamest bad guys? Yeah, some sort of, because the Raiders, the Nazis. Well, Billock is kind of, he's French. Yeah, he's French. But doesn't he work for the Nazis? Anybody that works for a Nazi is a Nazi, right? No? I don't know if this is the right platform to discuss that. Take two. Oh.

That's a good question, but who else? What are the other bad guys who suck in really good movies? Just like terrorists that should have been way better action movie characters than they turned out. You know what kind of takes all the air out of it is in Die Hard when Alan Rickman is dictating all of the groups that he wants released. Yeah. I think he says Crimson Dawn, which is basically Crimson Gia, which makes it seem so much funnier. Yeah. Almost every bad guy in the Beverly Hills Cop movie sucks. Oh, that's a good one. You don't like Victor? I do like Victor Maitland.

It's just like, whatever. It could have been anyone. They're all kind of copy-paste. Whatever. There's a pretty brutal story about Elijah Dushku from this movie. Yeah, this is the... This is an all-timer for what's aged the worst. But she said she was sexually molested by the stunt coordinator, Joel Kramer, on the set. And that she got hurt doing a stunt after it happened, almost like he...

That was, she alleged, like, she was trying to hurt, hurt her in some way. And, um, it's not awesome. Schwarzenegger and Cameron and Jamie Lee Curtis all, like, just,

stood by her yeah like yeah it's it's pretty brutal but when that when the me too that year when it really kicked in it was one of the first stories that became the story and then you mentioned that the uh film received a lot of criticism for its portrayal of uh middle easterns i can't speak people middle easterners and uh treatment of female characters which is interesting yeah uh

I think it's a pretty grisly movie in that regard. I mean, it probably wouldn't fly today for sure. Yeah. I was actually looking at it with Kalika and then she loves the movie. And she's like, when he walks in, he's like, can I have a word with you? She goes, fast forward past this part. She's like, fast forward past this part. And she's like, I just don't, I can't watch this part. He just like almost with no, it just smacks the shit out of her twice. Yeah. Just, you know. I have one more that aged the worst. Yeah.

loose ass suits so they had some baggy ass suits on in this bitch it was like the 2000 NBA draft like when you when you when you when you look at the suit suits technology has changed this was big part of the baggy suit era Arsenio era Arsenio he started baggy David Byrne and Arsenio yeah and then it's over now but they had some baggy ass suits on in this bitch

The Saul Rubinick overacting word. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give me all you got. Give me all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stabbed me in the heart. Fuck you. Fuck you. It's either Charlton Heston or the head terrorist. Or Art Malik, yeah. So far, this is not blowing my skirt up, gentlemen. Don't you have anything remotely substantial? Harry. Harry.

Do you have any hard data? Nothing that you would call rock hard. Actually, it's pretty limp, sir. Then perhaps you better get some before somebody parks an automobile in front of the White House with a nuclear weapon in the trunk.

Do you have any hard data? Heston's bad. Why does he have an eyepatch on? What's he doing? Is he supposed to be Nick Fury? I think he's, literally, if you look up comic book Nick Fury right now. Everyone says how it's like a secret Nick Fury. If you look up the way, not the Samuel L. Jackson Marvel Ultimates Nick Fury, but if you look up the comic book Nick Fury right now, they look identical. I definitely think they were doing some kind of Nick Fury thing.

Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. No. True Lies is a good title. Awesome title. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? How come billionaires are always short? I thought that was good.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award, which Vann already did his. Do you have one? I think that James Cameron kind of broke the model for blockbuster filmmaking with this run that he went on, but specifically with this and Titanic and going forward where if you look at like Jurassic Park and it's like a $65 million budget, it makes a billion dollars. Obviously not every movie could be Jurassic Park, but at $65 million, it's,

even a modest success would have been profitable. Yeah. But this is where movies start to really, the budget starts to inflate. It starts to become more about effects. It starts to become more about set pieces than story maybe. The story becomes how much money they spend. Yeah. And I think that now you're in a realm where it's like, hey, we spent $300 million on this. There's just basically no way it can be profitable unless it's the most popular movie of all time. It's actually good because after this, you have Waterworld. Like we really start paying attention to

the budgets of the movies. It's just the idea of hitting doubles rather than going for a home run. It's like, I don't even know how hot of a take that was. Yeah. But I was thinking about it when I was watching this. What was yours? The, um, the opening 15 minutes of this movie, I think created Fortnite. Created Fortnite? Yeah.

So if you ever played Fortnite, yeah, everything that happens from the moment things start blowing up. But the question is, it's a foundation. But this movie is based on like World War Two movies. I thought my job was to do a hot take. It's a hot take, but when you scheme people with machine guns and car chases. When you do a hot take, are you saying that someone watched this and was like,

I have an idea. Fortnite. Do we know? I'm not saying we don't know. I'm thinking it's possible. So I had a secondary hot take. Guy running through the woods. How many times do you have to run through a forest in Fortnite and turn around and shoot at people? Secondary hot take that I thought was too stupid until we got Fortnite. Thank you. Let's go. I thought my job was to come up with a hot take. If they had copyrighted... You're like doing Roger Ebert. I'm here throwing takes out.

So what are you, Jim Rome? Like, what are you, in the jungle? Hottest take. I thought that if they had copyrighted You're Fired, The Apprentice isn't that popular and Trump never becomes president. Now that's a hottest take. That's a hottest take. Thanks for taking off your Roger Debert mask and playing the game. Now we're talking, Craig. Casting what ifs. Let's do those out. Let's take a break.

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But there was a whole Jodie Foster was originally cast as Helen, but turned it down to do Nell. I'm going to mention it. I don't believe it. It seems like a rumor designed to drive you insane. Super half-assed because she funded Nell and produced it. It was a passion project for her.

James Cameron knew Jamie Lee Curtis from Blue Steel, directed by his ex-wife, Catherine Bigelow, which I watched recently. Blue Steel. She was the cop. Blue Steel gets dark with like 20 minutes to go. Ron Silver. It kind of like crosses a line that you can't come back from. Yeah, like Ron Silver. She's the cop. Yeah. She's going after Ron Silver, who is a serial killer.

He's a serial killer that was in the convenience store where she shot a guy who robbed the liquor store. Yeah. And he grabs her gun and is so delighted that he watched somebody die that he starts killing people. Yeah. You're not going to believe this, but this movie's a Tubi. I always get Blue Steel confused with Blue Thunder. Is that the police helicopter movie? Yeah, that's where he shot her with helicopters. That was awesome. There was a movie...

I can't remember the name of this movie with Tom Selleck. It was a cop movie. They used to always play it with Blue Steel. It was like in the future. Gene Simmons. Yeah. Runaway. Was that what it's called? I bet that's also on Tubi. I think it's on Tubi. You know what else is on Tubi? Mother's Boys with Jamie Lee Curtis, which is terrible. I've never even heard of that. Tubi's got everything. Tubi should, we should get Tubi as a sponsor.

Does Tubi have money? Do they just get terrible movies and just put them... Tubi's killing it right now. Tubi is fucking killing it. Why can't they give us a category? People were hating on Tubi because... Tubi's great. Tubi's making a run. Tubi is making a run. I like Tubi. To what? I'm telling you. The fucking NCAA dominance. Tubi's doing it, man. Tubi where you can watch Blue Steel with Jamie Lee Curtis. Arnold was against Jamie Lee. Interesting.

And this is Cassie Woodhouse. Yeah. And Cameron really wanted her and went to Schwarzenegger and said, do you trust me? Schwarzenegger's like, sure. And he's like, it's going to be Jamie Lee. And Schwarzenegger's like, all right, I trust you. Tom Arnold did the audition just to meet James Cameron, did some scenes with Arnold. Cameron noticed they had chemistry. And then afterwards, Tom Arnold said to Cameron, Arnold's not that big. I think I can take him. And Cameron's like, you're hired. I love you.

You're perfect. He never got back here again. He did not. No. If you just watched this movie, you would have been like, what were his next five years like? He must have been. Interesting. He never got back here. By the way, he's a cool guy. He's funny. I've run into him. He's like a good hang. He was on the Best Damn Sports Show. What's he doing? What is he even doing now? I don't know. He wasn't in Mikhail's head. He did one movie. He made a few things. Yeah, but he never got back here.

And then last one, Tia Carrera claimed on the Adam Carolla show that she eventually replaced Karina Lombard after filming began. He was in McKell's Navy. Karina Lombard from the firm. I don't know who that is. She's the woman who was with Tom Cruise on the beach. Tom Cruise on the beach in the firm. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do know who it is. You've seen the firm with horny Gene Hackman? Yeah. It's the only time Gene Hackman puts the horns on. Yeah, he's freaking horny. Next category.

What is going on? I don't know what the fuck is up with Bill. It's late Friday afternoon. I'm feeling it. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people? No. You don't think Spencer Trilby could have been a black dude? No, man. It's fine. A wise black man? No, man. I think the third spot with Arnold and Arnold and Arnold.

easily could have been somebody funny. Yeah. You're talking about the little, the guy. Grant Hesloff? Grant Hesloff. He was going to be my best that guy. But that could have easily been, I don't know, Martin Lawrence. But you're talking about the third guy on the mega sector, right? Yeah. But I think the reason why they put him there was probably to offset the optics. Good point. Yeah. That didn't work though. Nah, it didn't. Best that guy award, Grant Hesloff.

Faisal. Easy. Dan Waiters Award. One of the easiest selections. It might actually, it's rare that this happens. I think it's happened once or twice before. It's in conversation for changing the name of the award. Absolutely. Come on. What is Dan Waiters going to do? The Simon from True Lies Award in

In honor of Dion Waiters? It can't change. It's like changing the Emmys. I have it written down. It's so good that you can almost, it's almost written for him. We can talk about the fantasy punch that kills him. Like when he's in the Corvette and he's like. Oh yeah. And he's had blood everywhere. I have to lie to get woman to get laid and I don't score much. I got a little dick. Recasting couch director or city. Who would you have as the lead terrorist?

Because we have to fix that one. How about this? Can I throw Liam Neeson at you? Oh, like a little Irish Republican army operating on American soil? Yeah, he's just got mixed up with the Middle Easterns, but it's just like Liam Neeson when he was really kind of killing it. Mm-hmm.

Pretty big for the role. I don't know. I was just trying to think of like, could this have been like a Hans Gruber-y type of role? Yeah, I mean like I think you could Malkovich, like if it wasn't Crimson Jihad, if it was just like some terrorist organization. I'm thinking Sean Bean, but that's just because of Sean Bean. But that's just because of Clear and Present Day. Yeah. Guessing thing with Gary Oldman, you know, like in Air Force One, but like he kind of does it. We have Schreiber? I'm just naming hackers.

Romo Collinsworth or some other announcer for the director's commentary. Oh my, she's wearing a tiny black dress and doing a striptease. It's for a mystery man who turns out to be her husband. She just wanted to do something outrageous. You love to see that. She's out there gaming. That's not really Collinsworth. I don't know what's going on there. It was kind of a late Friday afternoon Collinsworth. Yeah, it's Collinsworth after a couple of pops.

I was just going to, I was trying to think of a McAfee show joke, but I can't, I don't know if I can land the plane. No, just like a, that Harry is a dog. Half-assed research. We mentioned Arnold almost got thrown off the horse and thrown 90 feet and a stuntman caught him. And he says, this is why I always love stunt people. Feels like that story has been a little exaggerated over the years. Bullshit.

Um, Cameron and his senior, senior visual effects supervisor, John Bruno came up with the plan to put a model of an airplane on the roof of a real building to create a more believable action scene. Yeah. It sounds like Cameron would just be like, what if we, so he was the cool piece of research I read was just about how he started his own digital effects production company during COVID.

During True Lies. Like, True Lies, he started this place called Digital Domain that did, like, Avengers Endgame and shit. And it's like, sometimes I take a step back and I'm like, should James Cameron buy the Celtics? Like, how much money does this dude probably have? Oh, this is a great question. He's a billionaire, yeah, for sure. And also, I do think that when you look at how inventive this movie is, it is him... This movie...

Is this him just trying shit that makes him want to consistently try bigger shit? Yeah. And that's kind of what happens to his career as a filmmaker. He becomes a guy who's like, not just into the, of course, the filmmaking process, but the technology of it and the, can I do it? And what can we do underwater? What can we do? What can we do with this? What can we make the Titanic look real? Can we do all of this stuff? CR came up with a great idea for a podcast.

Who should buy the Celtics? How much money does this guy have? Each episode, you're just like, wait, Jerry Seinfeld. Seinfeld's been on reruns now for 26 years, not to mention he made $20 million a year when he was doing it. And a Netflix deal for it. And do you remember what happened when the DVD came out? When the DVD came out, there was some crazy fucking thing. Yeah, they made like $500 million. For a couple of years, he was making like $200 million a year or something like that. Why can't Jerry Seinfeld buy the Celtics? I remember there was a New Yorker article about Cameron...

I think it was probably around when Avatar first came out. And it was about how he had invented a foam to spray on his house in Malibu so that it wouldn't burn down if there was forest fires. But it was, like, proprietary. Like, he invented the foam. I was like, that guy is not on Twitter, man. Like, he just invented a forest fire foam for his house. It...

People would say stuff about him and I would think that it was bullshit people will go well he invented a camera to make this movie He's like MacGyver. He designed the summer is like the guy who's been down to the deepest part of the ocean It's not some French depth scientist James Cameron He also liked it during the making or what? I don't know Maybe it was earlier in his career when he was first dating Gail Ann Hurd who was his producer and

They would just like go to the desert and shoot AKs. Like he's just, he really is about that life. He is. Remember when the, when the, when the James Cameron. Do you want to hang out? He's the new Bill Braski. One time James Cameron was hanging from a building. Yeah. When the dudes got fucked up in the submersible everywhere after a while. Yeah. James Cameron, James Cameron, James Cameron. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. He was so mad. Cause he was like, I could have fixed that. He's like, if they would have just talked to me, I could have helped them with their designs.

It'd be funny, like washed up James Cameron, where he still has the ideas, but they're not good anymore. He's like, I have this idea to save red wine so that it tastes 100% with this contraption I made in there. Everyone's like, cool, James. This is why I want him to buy the Celtics, is I want him to be like, you guys have to be the first guys to play a game in the bottom of the Mariana Trench. It's like tragedy starts to Celtics. Jason Tatum got the bends. He won't be playing this year.

Oh, man. We mentioned the ice cube trays from the freezer joke was a reference to Tom Arnold telling Cameron that story. And then Arnold really got caught up with dancing and tango and rehearsed for allegedly six months because he wanted to be as good as Al Pacino in Son of a Woman. Same music, by the way, as Son of a Woman.

They filmed the horse in the hotel scene at the West and Bonaventure Hotel, downtown LA. Not far from us. Nope. Could be an easy rewatch of his road trip. What do you think for a body count in this movie? Oh, shit. Hundreds. Yeah. 150, 200? 90. Oh, for real? Yeah. That'll be higher. What's your favorite death in this movie?

I like the three guys tipping over. I like the guy who goes flying through the windshield of the truck and then the truck runs him over on the bridge. I've always been obsessed with the human missile shot into the helicopter. And then that's it. Apex Mountain. Arnold. No. No. But he's about to start going down the mountain. I have an Arnold caveat. Yeah. Arnold standalone movies.

No sequel. The movie's not involved in the franchise. Arnold standalone movie. Arnold standalone movie. No sequel. The movie is not involved in the franchise. It's definitely this. Yeah. So you would have Eraser, Commando, Total Recall, The Running Man, Twins, Kindergarten Cop. Predator doesn't count because it's a whole big franchise. He didn't show up in the other ones. Total Recall, they did that, so that's eliminated. They rebooted it, but it doesn't... He's not in, right?

Yeah, but so I'm saying Predator I take away because Predator is a whole big lore. Just Arnold standalone movies. Just one. Is this the best one? This is the best one, right? Best one. It's the apex mountain for that. Best one. Tom Arnold apex mountain. Without a doubt. 1990s tango scenes. Would you go this or Son of a Woman? Son of a Woman. Son of a Woman. I think it's Son of a Woman. Jamie Lee Curtis hot scenes.

Think about it. Trading places. Trading places. I mean, there's a lot. Perfect. That's the best she looks. So you're saying perfect. She has a whole aerobic scene when she's just eye fucking John Travolta where it's like, why did this movie make $700 million? Yeah. Yeah.

You're a freak. It's on Tuesday. I'm a freak. It's some fucking mystery videotape. Wait, wait, wait. Can I say something? I don't have, I didn't have one tape. I had several volumes of this. But I'll say, I get credit for being a freak. Sometimes your freak is a little underrated. I'm just saying, perfect. Just watch the first ten minutes. Tia Carrera, it's Wayne World's. Wayne's World. Wayne's World 1. Paxton, no.

Two Dobermans being head-butted together. Definitely. James Cameron, no. Ski shootout scenes? No. Skiing guy shootout scenes. Because it's either Majesty's Secret Service or Inception. Inception. Cliffhanger? Cliffhanger is what I had. Cliffhanger, anybody? Yeah. I like Cliffhanger. Cliffhanger's good too, yeah.

Ice Cube trade thefts, definitely. Weston Bonaventure? Because this is in the line of fire, back-to-back years. It's in the line of fire. Yeah, but think about the mindshare that the Weston Bonaventure had on us. Horse cops? Horse cops. I don't know. I feel like we've topped horse cops. Probably. Truth serum? Yeah. Might be the number one truth serum. It might be the best truth serum. I have to think. Didn't they get... They gave Ethan Hunt truth serum one time. No, they didn't. I can't remember. Florida Keys movies? Yeah.

Where was Wild Thing set? That wasn't the Keys. It was in Miami. They might go to the Keys. No, it was in Miami. Denzel made one in the Keys, right? He made Out of Time. That's a good-ass movie. I like Out of Time. Bro, that's an underrated Denzel Jones. It's not even underrated. I don't think people talk about it. It's properly rated. I'm going to go Night Moves, Gene Hackman, Keys. And it's 40 Hacks, too. Yeah. Yeah, in that one.

Horny Gene Hackman month is a thing. Horny Hackman? Horny Hackman month? Horny Hackman? It's August. It's time for Horny Hackman. Does Hoosiers know? Hoosiers what? Is he Horny Hackman? He gets a little Barbara Hershey. He gets a little Barbara Hershey. Yeah. Cruiser Hanks for this movie. Can I ask a question? Is it better with either? No. No. But I will say... It's a really fun Cruise movie. It would be a fun Cruise movie. He kind of made it. But I will say that this is...

To me, the only type of movie that Tom Hanks hasn't made. And that's why I would want to see him in it. Like he could both do the whole thing. It's he's never really made this movie. He is not. And so I kind of want to see Tom Hanks is like embarrassed by how he runs or something like, no, there's some sort of hiccup with him doing just a normal action movie. I think he's, I think he's like, I know what people want from me. Hmm.

I mean, Saving Private Ryan is kind of an action movie. Yeah. I mean, is that the most action-y movie he's ever done? I think so. Probably. Or Forrest Gump. I mean, he's like running and playing ping pong. And in Vietnam. Yeah. That's true. He does do action stuff. Yeah, he just never did a movie like that. But he's never been a guy that like beat up guys in a movie. No. Kicked the shit out of people. That's why he's our generation's Jimmy Stewart. Wait, so I need for my notes here. Is it Hanks or Cruise?

It's Cruz. It's Cruz. But he winds up making it with Mission. Yeah. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, or fantasy team name? I don't think Crimson Jihad will work as a racehorse. Crimson Jihad probably... How about Omega Sector as a racehorse? Omega Sector I think is a good one. Which gets right into... The Sand Spider? It gets right into picking nits. Let's do it. What do you got? What's Omega Sector's remit? Like, does the rest of the intelligence community acknowledge their existence?

How come they have a stupid phrase on their floor? Spencer Trilby, is he a government employee? Like, what's going on? So, I have a lot of thoughts on this. And he can call in a hairier strike on an American soil? They have news crews at the end just showing Arnold. Yeah. So that's now his career's over? No. How are you a spy if you're on television? But if you're watching closely... I know, he's doing this. No, no, no, no, no. If you're listening closely, the news crews say...

They don't know who this is responsible for, who's responsible for this, and nobody will take responsibility. And they're talking to Miami police and Miami police are saying one thing. Thing that got me about Omega sector, they walk through what seems to be a government building or a front building to get to a more secure place. Yeah. So are they a covert ops off the book? He mentions the fact that they are illegally wiretapping people 20 times a day. Yeah. Like who do they report to?

Are they a series of kites? Well, they obviously have like failure in management because Arnold Schwarzenegger is basically able to marshal the surveillance state to follow his wife. Yes. And there should be a congressional inquiry. Are they a terrorist organization? Omega. Well, it could be. I mean, that's another pick and nits is Arnold spends a million dollars to figure out if his wife's cheating on him. Just follow her. Do it now. Yeah. You like the whole thing.

But I don't know who they were. It's kind of like Ethan Hunt's brigade almost. Also, when he's calling in the Harrier jets and the guys are like, if we shoot missiles at this, is it going to set off a nuke? And Earl's like, I don't know. I don't know. He doesn't care, by the way. He says no, but he's like, I don't know. I got more nitpicks.

I think Arnold would be one of the most recognizable counterterrorism spies you could probably come up with. I mean, in every room he would walk into. He's just this gigantic, handsome guy. He's not blending in anywhere. Cruz is a way better spy because he could kind of ease in. To continue that, zero chance Jamie Lee doesn't recognize that it's Arnold. That is my biggest nitpick in the whole thing. Yeah. He's massive. Like, that's my biggest nitpick in the whole thing. That, and number one, I just don't see 17 years of marriage. You're not figuring out that he's a spy.

of some sort. It's tough. Also, who is he? Like, what's his story? So, he's got a very thick accent, so he's obviously a foreign national. But can speak Arabic. He can speak Arabic. Like, who is he? He can fly a jet. Yeah, where'd he come from? He knows spycraft. Yeah. He's combat trained.

he like, what's his deal? Like, where is he? What happened to him? Do you think also in the nineties, like he went to university of California at Santa Barbara for two years and was like, wait, I think I want to get into this. Right. So it's just not going to surf anymore. I'll,

The whole time I'm watching the movie now, I'm thinking, yo, where the fuck did this guy come from? What were his early 20s like? What were his early 20s like? What were his early 20s like, Sierra? I don't know. I mean, it's just like also... It's like I transferred from UCLA. I'm going to Pepperdine now. Met some guys in Omega Control. Omega Sector. Omega Sector. Some guy with one eye asked me to come work for him. Some guy who just sized me up and is like, hey...

You want to serve your country? It's kind of funny to watch the depiction of like a wife just being like, yeah, he just does something with sales. I don't know. Right. She's no questions. Well, that's another, I guess that could be a what's aged the worst, but like now she would have some way of kind of knowing if he had left the country that probably on their life 360 that they have with the daughter.

It's like, he's in, where does he go in the beginning? Switzerland. Yeah. You should probably have noticed that one. I have big problems with the scuba diving suit with the tuxedo underneath it where nothing gets wet. I mean, Andy Dufresne somehow swimming through shit for 500 yards. That's a Bond thing though. Bond is often like coming out from a submarine and walking into a cocktail party. Come on. Ripping somebody else's face off and it's actually a different face.

Harry escapes the mansion and murders, what, 30 people? Mm-hmm. And then the next day, he's like, I'm going to go see Juno Skinner. Yeah. They're not going to suspect anything. Maybe, like, let it breathe for two weeks. Yeah.

Also, it's not an international incident that that happened. There was like a massacre at an art auction. Yeah. It was like the last guy seen was some handsome muscle-bound guy who walked out. Lots of destruction. He blew a bunch of shit up. He didn't just kill people. He left a trail of massacre and destruction in his wake. And he's like, hey, I have a one o'clock with Juno Skinner. Where is she? Where are officers? Right here in River City. Yeah. Go hang out with her. I have a lot of issues with Jamie Lee.

deciding to rip her dress into a cocktail dress and how perfectly it was my wife's biggest nitpick. She's like, there's no way something would have ripped the dead limo driver on the Florida Keys bridge. She's keeping that car pretty straight for about a mile. How does that work? I don't know. That's great.

Why did the 14-year-old daughter steal the key from the terrorists? What was her plan there? I have no clue. I honestly, the first time through watching it this time, actually, the second time through, I didn't understand how Dana got involved at the end. Like, did they? They're like, they've got Dana. They got Dana. It's like, oh, no. It's like they just needed a second. There's a scene in Florida. There's a scene where he, like, has his wallet and he sees a photo that there's a daughter. Oh, yeah. And he's like, oh.

So they send somebody. Okay, so let's. From Florida back to D.C. They sent somebody to D.C. to get her. Then they got her back. So I guess they had a plane. Yeah, right. Because they had them on a plane. So I guess they had a plane. That's how this stuff works. Yeah. Anything else? Don't you think Arnold Schwarzenegger would have dragged that horse off of the roof? Can a horse's neck hold Arnold Schwarzenegger up? Yeah.

You think so? Yeah, like a... Well, the horse would have... In real life, the horse is already dead after the elevator just falls to its death. Oh, but you're asking if the horse is strong enough to pull him back on the thing? Yeah. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Sequel, prequel, prestige, CBL, Blackcaster, Untouchable. It was in motion from 98 to 2001, and they finished the script.

Cameron and Arnold were back and then 9-11 happened. And they're like, fuck it. Yeah. That's pretty much what happened. There's more if you want to Google it. There was an airplane scene. Cameron said in 2002, terrorism is no longer something to take as lightly as we did in the first one. I just can't see it happening given the current world climate. And that was it. And then CBS apparently developed a TV show for two years. It's on. Is it on now? I think it came out, right? Yeah. When I searched True Lies, that's what popped up first.

How do I get a network television show? What do I do? It's on TV. Is CBS on TV? Do you not have network TV? Of course you have network TV. I just don't know. I don't know what's on CBS. You know who plays the Charlton Heston role? Who? Horny Gene Hackman. Come on. No. I don't believe that. Of course not. Gene Hackman's like 97 years old. It's his comeback role. He threw an ad patch on him. Oh, I did have one more picking date. I forgot. So most movies have bad, evil marksmanship.

This movie has the worst evil marksmanship. Oh, where they're like right in front of them? Yeah. Now, Rambo 2 is still the number one. It's a cartoon. Like, yeah. Like, this movie has the worst evil marksmanship. It's so many times to shoot these guys and they don't ever do it. And every time they shoot, they miss. But they do shoot innocent bystanders. Who gets shot? Doesn't somebody get shot in the Washington Mall? Like, in the Georgetown Mall? Yeah. When Crimson Jihad is escaping? When a guy's on his way out because he's shooting people.

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil laughing Ramon Raymond, Philip Baker Hall? Who did we add last week? Or is it better directed by Yann DuBois? I don't think this is better directed by JDB. One more honorary Bill Paxton from Aliens character Hudson showing up. That's just great, man. I just pissed myself at the damn...

What the fuck are we going to do now, man? I got a little dick. Game over. So we're adding him? Yeah. He's Wayne Jenkins' cousin? He gets him before the movie even gets him, before we do Aliens, yeah. Congrats to him. What's his full name? Hudson. Corporal Hudson. Simon Hudson. I'm just adding that. Simon Hudson. Just one Oscar who gets it. Special effects? Yeah, or Cameron.

I'm going with Tom Arnold for support. Oh my God. For an Oscar? Wow. For an Academy Award? What a stunner that would have been. Yeah. Tom Arnold for support. You shit, Roseanne! Yeah. Travolta and Bruce Willis have gone down. I'm putting him in the Marissa Tomei, My Cousin Vinny class of supporting character Oscars. Probably unanswerable questions. We've hit all mine except is not being able to do the tango a top 10 thing you're jealous of?

When I watch people do the tango, I'm like, that just feels like you would have the power of ten men if you could do that. It only ever occurs to me when I watch a movie and someone tangos. I've never been in a real-life situation where someone's been... What if you and Phoebe took tango lessons? I mean, I don't know. That'd be amazing if you were like, unbelievable tango. That'd be nice, Chris. Wouldn't that be nice? You go to a wedding and you're like, hey. What's the matter with you, Chris? Why don't you tango with your wife? It'd be so fun. Have you ever been in a real-life situation that calls for you to tango? Never. Think about that question.

I don't think the tango is that racially coded. It is. Is it? All right. What situation? You know, what situation? Yeah.

What situation would the tango happen? White people are like, we tango now. I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying it doesn't even seem to be like an American thing, right? Yeah, it's an Argentinian thing, right? Overseas, yeah, it's overseas. If I was at any sort of function and two people started doing the tango, I would feel like the fucking moon landing was happening again. But what if they were fucking crazy at it, though? We were talking about for Chris. If they were really fucking amazing, wouldn't that be something to see? So you had it for like a ringer holiday party.

And I'm like, hold on guys. If you promise to throw a ringer holiday party, I'll learn to tango with Phoebe and then we will fucking tango. Oh my God. That's great. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, that sounds great. All right. Yeah. How many, how many months do you have to learn how to tango? I have no clue. It's like, I'm sure, I'm sure there's gotta be some guy. Is it only one tango song? It's like, yeah,

Are there other tango songs? Is there like a tango soundtrack? I don't know. I think we're going to go with the Bill Simmons tango anthem. Any other announcements? We got them all. Oh, I got one. Did Harry ever have to sleep with another woman for a mission?

I think he did it for fun. Every Schwarzenegger character, you always have to kind of factor in the horny. This is for national security. Arnold, like one of the horniest A-list superstars we've ever had. He's very horny. He's not not flirting with every other woman in this movie. Every scene with Tia Carrera, he's like, let's go back to my trailer. He's got a whole, yeah, yes, you're right.

Best double feature choice. What do you got, C.R.? Mr. and Mrs. Smith. A riff on this. This is kind of... I have that. This is kind of the spiritual prequel to Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I have a weird one. What do you have? I have The Bourne Identity. I have Speed. Just go Summer 94. Summer 94. Speed. Yonder Bond. Red and a True Lies. Let's fucking go. Andy and Red Zawad Neowar. What happened the next day? We know. They became married spies. I have some questions about whether the daughter...

Seems to be a part of the spy situation. At least on it. Spy family. As somebody who has or had a teenage daughter, I just feel like she would tell her friends, Hey, Emily, don't tell anyone this, but my mom and dad are counterterrorist spies. They're in Omega Sector. Yeah, I feel like that gets out in five minutes. So I've never been more sure about what happens the next day after the movie goes off. They were 100% both killed in action. 100%.

He brought her on. She doesn't have any real training. It's all vibes. They were... I mean, she's a year. I don't know if it takes a year to be the top of the Omegas. She 100% gets them killed. 100% killed in action, both of them. I think that they both go to jail for embezzling funds for Omega Sector because you could tell...

Harry got his beak wet during the course of this mission where he's like, ooh, a little sweet at the hotel. Like, you know, like marshalling the surveillance state against my wife. Like, I can't stop taking money from work. And then...

And then they go down. Trulby brings them down. Yep. What piece of memorabilia would you want from the movie? I guess the glasses with the camera, just because I'd like to experience that. It's sort of the first Vision Pro. That's actually a great one. I had, like, the nuclear warhead. I could put it in my, like, bedroom or something like that. That's a good one. But the glasses are great. You know what? You ever been to a spy store? I have not. They have spy. I looked it up. I've never been to one. But they have spy stores here. There's one in Beverly Hills. You can go and buy all kinds of different spy stuff.

Really? My private investigator license lapsed, so I probably wouldn't be. You go there, buy like different types of surveillance of that spy stores. I'd want the tranquilizer taser. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson.

I have either you're a sick bitch if you steal the ice cube trays out of the freezer, or it's okay to lie to your spouse because it will all work out. I don't know if I like either of those, but go ahead. Mine is not in the movie, but I just came up with my own. Just encourage your wife's freak. Yes. She wants to dance for you, bro. She wants to get crazy. She wants to get it. She wants to be free.

She wants it to happen, bro. Just encourage it. Don't hold her back. Don't make her wear the ankle link shit. Turn on that fucking shit. She's on her sad exercise bike in her bedroom. Yeah, that's not what she wants. Wondering why you didn't get home. It's time for the birthday cake. Or not. Bill Paxton's coming along. Just encourage your wife's freak, man. There's something just amazing about you doing this speech to this necklace you're wearing. Who won the movie? I'm fucking dying right now.

Who won the movie? Cameron. Look at James Cameron for sure. Yeah. It's interesting. I thought it would be a debate, but I guess not. All right. Producer Craig had not seen this movie. No, but there's also like, I feel like there's nothing I can bring to this that you guys have. Uh,

I'm glad I watched this movie after having seen a good chunk of the Arnold 80s, 90s movies, because this does feel like the Avengers endgame of the genre. Oh, yeah. It feels like we peaked, and then it kind of never came back. I don't know if it's like Fast and Furious is the modern version of these. But doesn't that feel like all it's happening inside a computer compared to this? 100%. Also, these movies are like... This movie is nuts. And it's like good and bad. And it...

I don't know. I know you love Tom Arnold and Jamie Lee. I personally feel like no one's really good at acting in this movie. But it's like, and everybody knows that and is okay with that. And it's like actually part of why the movie's good. Like if the actors were better, I think the movie's not necessarily better. Because it's a bunch of serious situations that no one's really taking seriously. Yes. And it works for the overall tone of the movie to sell you on everything that has to happen. And like Fast and the Furious would never have a scene like the Paxton scene.

Right. Never. Yeah. Because that movie takes itself too seriously. You know why it takes itself seriously? To my family. Salute me, familia. Biddy always turns the bottle. Turns it way back. Bids never drank a beer bottle before. I was pretty shocked by how much run they gave Tom Arnold in this movie. Yeah, they really let him cook. I bet you he has the most lines in this movie. Because Arnold doesn't talk a whole lot. Arnold is like borderline...

like a lead in this movie yeah yeah um and he's a guy i had no relationship with and i was like wow this is like a rare moment where they gave kind of a random guy a ton of leash in a movie with two pretty big stars yeah i wonder whether it's a because the script is so action-based that like in those more like chatty scenes he's just like yeah just go for it man yeah were you a best damn sports show period guy i was not not at first

And then it got, it got stale. Was that with John Sally? Yeah. John Sally, Tom Arnold. And a couple of the guys that were rotating in and out. But at first. Who's the lady on that? There was a female host. What's her face? Not Lisa Guerrero. Lisa Guerrero? I can't remember. Like very good looking ladies. I can't remember her name right now. I never really logged that show.

Never watched it. Okay. I watched it a couple of times. So Craig, thumbs up. We're on a heater this summer. Yeah. You love Twister. You love True Lies. Yeah. True Lies is like borderline the most like entertaining movie ever. I mean, it's just like pure raw excess. Yeah.

It's like the last of its kind. Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah. It's like the, it's like the rave before the apocalypse. It's like a muck bang of a movie. Well, that, this goes back to Twister last week when I was saying I felt like something was shifting because True Lies, 94 in speed. And it just felt like we were hitting the tail end of something. And then Twister, it's this new era is coming. I remember going to Godzilla.

in 98 Matthew Broderick I remember that I was so fucking bummed out I thought it sucked and it was like just bad special effects and it was like oh man now this is what we're gonna get like you just feel something shift yeah they made a huge deal I said I didn't have a lot going on back then so I really get bummed out by movies you really bummed me out yeah like the wrong kind of movie what movie broke it

I mean, this was the peak, but what movie broke it? Erasure comes out like a couple of years later. It wasn't a, it didn't fail. We ran out of the same kind of stars. Yeah. Nick Cage was trying to keep it alive with Con Air. Con Air was great. It got a little money balled where it's like, oh, you can actually have like a, like a regular actor actor just do these big action movies and you don't have to have like Jack and Chance. $25 million. Yeah. Yeah. All right. CR, great to see you.

Van Lathan, great to see you. You can listen to Van on Higher Learning. You can listen to him on The Ringiverse, Midnight Voice. You can hear CR on The Watch, The Big Picture. And I'm going to be on the Prestige TV on Tuesday talking Presumed Innocent. Even though I'm supposed to be on vacation. Good to see you guys. Good to see you.