‘Slap Shot’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan
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Slapshot finally is next. You can't put a bounty on a man's head. I just did. I'm not pushing like that! They come here tonight to scout the Chiefs! The toughest team in the... That's right, he's not dead! Stick him! Fuck him! Christ, pop him! Let's go now! Dunlop, you suck. Paul Newman. All I can get? Slapshot. Guys...

The rarest of rare. A movie that wins the title when it comes out and never loses the title, even though it came out in 1977. The greatest hockey movie of all time. Nobody's approached it. Probably the greatest sports movie of all time. Ooh, you're going there already. Yeah. I really thought this watch, I'm like, what's better than this? What's, you know, some of the language stuff hasn't aged great, but just from as an actual movie. Right. Start to finish with a major star with awesome sports.

It's aged about as well as you can do from the 70s. I just can't believe how funny it still is. It's my favorite sports movie ever made. I think it's up there. I think Bull Durham, Moneyball, Major League. There's a bunch up there, but this is the one I return to over and over again.

It's the most reliable. Yeah. This and Caddyshack for me are probably the most reliable in the sports movie. Even when I watch Hoosiers now, some stuff makes me mad. Rocky's super slow. Rocky III's cartoony. Going down the line, I can nitpick after having just had these movies in my life for most of my life.

And then you put on Slapshot and it's like, God damn, they fucking did it. I wonder if that's because it's set in a world that it doesn't matter if it's real or not. You know, it's like minor league hockey is never going to be something that I'm personally interested in. And yet I feel like the world is explained to me perfectly. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like a lot of sports movies, you're, you're constantly like, well,

Would the Indians really do this in the movie Major League? Yeah, you guys don't have Mark Mulder in here. Yeah, Moneyball, you're like, is he really? Does he look like Art Howe? That never pops into your mind. Bull Durham is very similar, where you're like, this is the world of minor league baseball. It's also so incredible that this movie essentially, it looks like science fiction at this point. Guys are wearing full leather leisure suits. Everybody's fucking drinking all day long. The players don't have helmets on. The players aren't wearing helmets. It's like a different sport.

like they're all hanging out at the same bar. I mean, it's, but you're like, I would live like, this is a movie where you're like, I would, I wish I could live in this world just a little bit. Like, I don't think I'd be really like mentally well after doing so, but don't you want to fucking spend a day in Charlestown, you know, like in this way. Yeah. You're like in another world, just being a bartender at the aces and having chief season tickets.

The Saturday Night Game. Diabetes and lung cancer when I'm 52. Sounds okay. You want to be more like Moe. You know, go to the Palm Isle. Maybe have the Hansons over for like a special autograph session. Yeah, they do such a good small town. I mean, a lot of it's George Roy Hill, which we'll get to. Who are you kidding? You would have been Jim Carr. Oh, yeah. Would have thrown a rug on him. Your rug game would have been incredible. Yeah.

It's been the best hockey movie for 47 years. And it's got this weird hold where nobody's really made a run at it. Like think how many basketball movies, so many boxing movies, so many baseball movies, football movies.

There's like Goon happened. They made a couple of Slapshot sequels. They did Young Bud. Miracle. Miracle, which was basically Mighty Ducks. That's for a generation version. Yeah. But nobody's like, hey, I'm going to make a minor league hockey movie or nobody's like, hey, I'm going to dive into the world of the Ottawa Senators. Yeah. Or anything. I like Goon a lot. I think Goon is very good. This is a legendary movie that we're talking about. So it pales in comparison. But I like Goon.

Goon's fine. Yeah. It's a good indie movie. I'm surprised nobody's, I mean, like right now there's this show on called Shorzy, which is essentially like Slapshot as it comes to come. And it's really, really great, but it doesn't, you know, it's not, it's, this has Paul Newman. The guy who made this thing directed Paul Newman in a hockey movie. And then you go down the list of the cast and you're just like,

This, this, like, Lindsey Krauss is just lily. Like, this is wild. Like, this is how the 70s movies worked. And it does seem weird that it even happened. It's kind of fascinating that everybody involved wanted to do this movie. Right. And then a lot of the actors that we'll talk about when we get to it, I'm trying to figure out exactly when this movie came out. So it was February 25th, 1977. Yeah. So I had just turned...

Seven years old. I was like seven and a half. Did you go to this in the theater? Do you guys think, knowing me for a long time, Chris, you've known me really since 2011. Sean, you've known me since 2012. Do you think I saw this in the theater? I do. I do, definitely. I think your dad took you. Definitely. I saw it in the theater. Of course. It's a sports movie about East Coast dirtballs. Cleveland Circle in Brookline. Yeah. I remember where we saw it.

Also, the first pair of boobs I'd ever seen in a movie. So we'll talk about that later. Solid introduction. Yeah. There was a lot of hype for this. This was when I... The 70s was when I cared about hockey the most and hockey fights. And the Bruins had a team really 76 through the 80 season where...

Ready to brawl. I'm like, yeah, we had this is we went into the stands at MSG in 79. Like those Bruins teams, they rolled up the sleeves. Yeah. So the slap shot, I remember they used to make those Zander Hollander, those yearbooks for each sport. They make basketball, football. And Paul Newman was on the cover of the hockey one that year. Like, oh, my God, Paul Newman's. I just knew him as the Butch Sting guy. Yeah. It's like a hockey movie.

With Paul Newman? And there's going to be like fighting? Like, what is this? I knew, yeah, I was six. So was that in the fall of 76 then? Yeah, the 76, 77 season. You can go back and read that book. He's on the cover of the book. And there's a whole article about Slapshot.

And then it came out and it was awesome. And, you know, and then it lived on and on and on. It showed up on the cables in the channel 38 where I lived. I think if you're a sports fan and you're born in the 80s, this is a movie that gets like handed to you by your parents. Yeah. But so when it came out, like were you and all your friends saying like, this is my favorite movie. These guys curse a lot. There's boobs in it. Like what was like a phenomenon right away.

And the Hansons, of course. There was two lanes. And it's funny because we had both of them at the ringer. There were the Star Wars kids and there were like the Rocky Slapshot Bad News Bears, like the ones who liked those movies. And there wasn't really a lot of crossover, at least at my school. But no, it was like the Hanson brothers immediately. The thing is, when I went to school, not a lot of people were allowed to see this movie that were my age. So I didn't really have a lot of people to share it with until it got older. But the Hanson brothers, like,

I don't think I'd ever probably... I don't even really remember the mechanics of seeing that much of this movie, but I can't imagine I laughed harder than the Hansons coming in that first game. When you're a kid, when you first see this and you see the Hansons, you're like...

I don't think you understood that you could laugh that hard and be that delighted by something than to see three brothers wearing thick, like just wreaking havoc for four minutes, fucking destroying guys. I was just like, I can't believe this is happening. I mean, but I remember that this was one of the movies that my parents weirdly let me see.

given what like the content of it and it was like always the thing that i all i don't know if aspired to is the right word but you know when you see a movie that you're way too young for and you're just like deeply fascinated by like why does so paul newman is kind of flirting with his wife like how does that work and like all these things about adult relationships that you're like is that what it's gonna be like like are we all gonna be at a bar and i'll just like like

flirt with some other guy's wife. And so what is it? Is that how it is? It's not. But the Hanson's is the bridge because the Hanson's is funny. It's the same amount of funny the first time you see it to the thousandth. I got to say, I think that's a great point. It never reduces in funniness. It's like some of the Caddyshack stuff where it's like, it still makes me laugh the same. I was so happy. I think I waited until my son was like maybe five.

to show him this? Yeah. That's pretty young. But like Melinda Dillon and all? No. Okay. It was on one of the cable channels. So I taped the cable thing because I was like, I just got to, I got to bang this out. He has to know about the Hansons. That's two years from now for Alice. I would be showing her slap shot. Well, the cable version. The Comedy Central version. Yeah. Okay. And it's just like the Hansons are eternal. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, to say that, like, little kid laughter, like, the levels of little kid laughter when the Hansons are wreaking havoc, it's the funniest thing. They're still the fucking funniest. It's a primal thing in your brain. The scene when the whole thing is giving the speech or trying to give the speech while they're sitting on the bench and they're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And still. Okay, coach. Fucking kill him. Yeah, they fight. Gotta get him in his mind. I had, during this movie, they, uh,

They fight a Coke machine. If we see them putting foil on, I mean, this is shit. Like, it's like, what are those guys, what are these guys doing? They, uh, they, they were given their own version of the reg pregame speech. They're fighting the hotel room manager. They just pull them over the counter. They're playing with cars in their room. Uh, it just,

I don't know. I almost feel like we need to add them in the Wayne Jenkins category. Oh, would it be better with the Hansons? Is any movie better with the Hanson brothers? Yeah. That's a great call. The Hansons just in Saving Private Ryan. They never really popped up in another movie, right? I mean, they did. I think that they basically just do conventions. Right, right, yeah. It seems like they're still very... Autograph signings. Yeah, they're still riding off of the wave of the movie, but it doesn't really seem like they continued acting. Well, the language...

Even the ads in 77, they had stuff like certain language may be too strong for children. So the language was a big selling point. Yeah. Like this is a dirty, raunchy movie. It's like this, Glengarry, The Last Detail, like the great cursing movies of all time. Midnight Run. Midnight Run. Isn't there just a movie that just broke the record when we were just talking about this? Was it Irishman or something? Yeah, it was maybe the Irishman that had the most fucks in it. Goodfellas has some good ones. Well, then there's Newman.

who this is his last great leading man movie before he gets a little older and moves into another phase of his career, right? Yeah. This is like the last time he could believably get. Verdicts after this? Verdicts after. But he's like way like, he's like fading at that point. Like as like, he's not, that guy couldn't play hockey. Yeah.

Butch Cassidy in 69, The Sting in 73, Tower Inferno in 74, Buffalo Bill in 76. What are your Buffalo Bill thoughts? It's a misfire. I like that he tried it. He made two movies with Altman. They're both bad. They're like among the worst Robert Altman movies. Yeah, why did that happen? I don't know. I like that he loved Altman's movies and wanted to do something great. And I think he saw a lot of his contemporaries making movies with him. He was like, I could do one of those. And it just, the stories and the scripts are not great.

So I don't love Buffalo Bill. It's okay. He loved making this movie. Yeah. There's a, I said it was his favorite movie. It's this, but there's a category of movie where you went, it's like oceans 11 when you're watching it, you're like, man, you guys really fucking loved making this. And it's like the, basically their joy is contagious. And I feel like in slap shot, even though it's like set in this dying steel town, everybody's just drinking Schmitz all day.

It's like a very great hangout movie because you're like, these people obviously are getting an absolute kick out of each other. There's a couple of times this time I watched it where you could almost see Newman break. Yeah. When he's just like, they brought their fucking toys with them, Jim. And then Strother Martin's like, I had a terrible masturbator. Newman's like looking off into the distance. He can't, can't keep it together. Um,

I think this, I really was thinking about this heading into the movie, this viewing, whether he's my all time leading man guy. Cause I was coming, especially coming off. We talked about Cruz and Jerry Maguire, Hanks and my cast away. Um, Burt Reynolds has a great one in the longest yard where it's just like, you have to feel like he could be the coolest guy in the room that he can get anybody's wife or girlfriend. There's a charisma piece.

And you feel as you're watching, like only this person could have played this part. And I think it's the best of all of those Newman parts. Even going back to the sixties. Anyone ever looked cooler wearing black socks, white boxers, a white t-shirt with a towel in their eyes. And you're just like that guy. I would fucking throw my life away for that guy. Yeah. He just says like, he,

He's got the full bag. He's got every move. He can do any kind of movie. He could be in an action western or he could be in a sports comedy. He could be the romantic leading man or he could be the sidekick. He could be the old wily rascal or the young wide-eyed kid. He really...

over 50 years could do every kind of leading man part. I think, I think he probably has the best case for, I guess there's like, you can probably talk about like Jimmy Stewart or Henry Fonda or somebody like that going back to the forties and fifties. But from 1960 through 1985, uh,

I don't know if there's a better guy doing it. He's also great in every decade. He's even great up through those Robert Benton movies like Nobody's Fool, like when he's really much older. Well, it's also fun to think about him in different movies that have come out since his peak.

Like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think he could have played both parts. I think he absolutely could have played the Brad Pitt part. It would have been awesome. But I also think he would have been really good in the Leo part. I mean, and that movie in some ways is like a wink and a nod to Butch Cassidy and the Sting. You know, those like epic two handers with huge stars. Like those movies are hard to make and they're pretty rare because it's unusual to get that to have matched energy of those two guys. And he does it effortlessly in those two movies. He could have played a bunch of the Hanks parts. Sure. Yeah.

Right. Forrest Gump. Well, I don't know about Forrest Gump. Yeah. That would have been tough. Yeah. He definitely could have done, uh, the cast away. And I think he could have been good in like, he was never really in a rom-com, but I think he would have been good in like a sleepless in Seattle type thing if he'd ever wanted to do it.

Yeah, he's in Somebody Up There Likes Me, right? That's an early one. But yeah, he's not in a ton of those. He could have played some of those younger Cruise parts. He absolutely could have been Pete Mitchell. Sure. Yeah, when he was a younger actor, yeah. I think he could have been Jerry Maguire. Definitely. Yeah. But he's just going down. It's like the dude could do everything. He had really good taste. It was interesting that those two Altman movies didn't work out for the most part.

I just remember when I was a kid, Fred and Newman seemed like the two biggest stars in the world, and then it was everybody else. I think his career is a testimony, though, to the ability to withstand some failure. Because the arc of his career is really interesting. He's a hot studio actor in the 1950s, comes out of the actor's studio, this beautiful young guy who made a bunch of movies that bombed. And he survived it. And he would always come out when he would come and give a talk somewhere and be like...

first of all, I want to apologize for making the silver chalice. Like he was making that joke when he was like 85 years old. And somehow he withstood that. And then there's like all these movies. There's so many movies of his I haven't seen. Like in 1968, between Cool Hand Luke and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, he made a movie called The Secret War of Harry Frigg. You guys seen that movie? Like I haven't seen that movie. That's a movie that is lost to time. And yet like he could kind of persist and keep going. It's a little harder for young actors to kind of survive that way nowadays. Well, the 60s...

I mean, he kind of like that first part of his young Newman prime, he was kind of a decade too early. You know, it would have been more fun probably for him if 60s Newman was in the 70s and then heading into the 80s. Cool hand, Luke, where do you guys stand on that one? Just in the...

As just... Because we haven't really done any 60s movies, but if we were going to do 60s movies, that would be one of the first three. Like some of those films, I think it probably plays a little slow now. Like last time I watched it, I was like, oh yeah, this guy's just really out there in the fields, but...

I like a lot of his kind of like detective crime movies like Drowning Pool and Harper. And I feel like he's got a bunch of those. It was just a cool era where those guys like I think the fact that he didn't have to really reckon with making Towering Inferno four and five or there was no like what if Butch and Sundance lived? Let's make another one. Like he could just experiment a lot. And then the lack of superhero movies means like he can just

experiment with all these different genres without having to be like, yeah, now I gotta go play Iron Man for nine years, you know? In that

Ethan Hawke documentary about him the last movie stars like long documentary about him and Joanne Woodward Which is really interesting to watch He also was like really benefited from the fact that Joanne Woodward was like this huge star in the 50s and 60s and won an Oscar and then like their careers kind of shift where he becomes the guy over that time Yeah, and you can see like he uses that flexibility to do a lot of cool stuff like he takes chances on directors He makes really weird projects and starts this whole company and

Like he, he's like a very adventurous person. Like he was also like super active for in the civil rights movement. You know, he's like a huge figure in American pop culture history. He has so many good, like subtle Paul Newman moments in this movie. Like just watching his face, like,

When, uh, when killer goes out to fight that guy and they just show Newman and he's watching, then he kind of looks at, he notices the crowd and, uh, he's just doing a lot. It's weird. I don't even think he got nominated for this movie. The moment when the guy that it's the first time they're at the bar in the beginning of the movie and the guy comes up to him and is like, you guys got to fix the power play. And for a second, he pretends to be drunk. He's like, Oh yeah, we'll work on it. You know? And then it goes right back into talking to Denny about like about Lily. It's just great, man.

Yeah, so that would have been the 78 Oscars? Like in retrospect, Dreyfuss for The Goodbye Girl, Woody Allen, Annie Hill, Richard Burton for... What the fuck is that movie? How do you pronounce that? Not looking at it. Equius? Oh, Equus. Equus?

Equus. Equus. Not on my list. That's another example of what I'm talking about, though. That's a Sidney Lumet movie that comes right after Dog Day Afternoon. So these guys were kind of... Yeah, just working. Just trying different stuff. Mastroianni for a special day and Travolta for a Saturday Night Fever. Special day, great movie. Could have snuck Newman in there. But they got mixed reviews for this movie. That was part of the problem. Yeah, it's a comedy. It's a broad comedy. This was the movie when I first started dating...

Phoebe, who would become my wife. And you know how you get the cultural honeymoon where you can just be like, tonight we're going to watch this and your significant other will be like, absolutely. Whatever. Sounds great, hun. I'm falling in love with you. Let's do it. Requiem for a Dream? Sounds awesome. Slapshot was the one I remember being like, let's watch this. And she was like, sure. Yeah, this is great. And she really liked it, but it was like, I would never get away with that again. This is not like a... Well, Newman buys some

some cachet with the opposite side if they don't care about sports. Are the female characters in this movie good? Yes. Yes. It's an interesting question. Is the movie written by a woman? I really like the Lindsey Krauss character, but I also really like her as an actor. Yeah. I do too. I like Francine too. Jennifer Warren's really good in this. I think that's a cool, I mean, like there's only one scene really, two scenes. Now, it doesn't pass the Bechdel test where it's like female characters not talking about men, but

It's also 1977 and it's about hockey. I mean, their role in the movie is they're hockey wives and hockey is the only thing that matters to this whole town. They all hate it. They have a kind of independence by the end of the movie too. You know, especially Francine is like, sure, hon, you know, and then goes off on her own and lives her own life. And Hanrahan's wife. And then we did it again, but I was sober.

It's one of the great monologues of the 70s. Oh, man. Well, Newman's just out of control. This is my favorite Paul Newman movie of all of them. It's like, I mean, this has been done, but it's very rarely done as one of your best movies. But it's like if Daniel Day-Lewis was in a Farrelly Brothers movie or something, you know, where you're like, oh, the best actor of his generation is in a goofy comedy. You know, it's not it's hard to pull that off.

The cast is really good. We'll get into that later. Michael Onkean, just want to mention, I was a huge fan of The Rookies as a little kid with Kate Jackson and George Stanford Brown and Michael Onkean. So this was like his push to become an actual movie actor. And he's really good in this movie. He's fantastic. I love Ned. Melinda Dillon, who was also in Close Encounters the same year. Big year for her. We'll get to her later. He said knowingly. This was a really kind of sneaky good movie

loss of innocence 70s movie for you no just in general like the town's closing down yeah it's it's adjacent to some other movies that come out over the late 70s even like a movie like deer hunter it's it's very similar that far away or like where we had with all the right moves in 1983 which is set in the same place but it's kind of cool to watch all the people in this movie

you know we now will be like oh you remember in the this time of the nba or that time in the nba or we're like instantly nostalgic for inside the nba or something but like all the people in this movie are like old time hockey eddie shore like remember when it was like this remember when it was like that like and they're all losing their their sort of fastball they're all getting older this yeah like you said this town is closing down so there's a real like kind of like

the quick fluidity of life and like how quickly it passes you by to this film. We've talked about this a few times, this specific theme about how they made movies like this in the 70s and 80s, but I don't feel like they make them in the same way

with the aim of it being a big movie, but set in a small place with real people and kind of diving into a world. These are the kind of movies I grew up with, and I don't know why they've stopped. They've just become indie, like super duper cheap indie movies basically now. Do you think the art of making a comedy movie

But shooting it like a drama and playing it like a drama has kind of been lost because that's what they did in the 70s. Like MASH, this, Bad News Bears even. Bad News Bears is a great example. You know, it's just like, we're going to make this thing. It's going to be so funny, but it's not going to look different than Serpico. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, you guys know, like the mainstream comedy features are,

just been in crisis for 15 years and has never been at a lower time. So the idea of like taking an artistic chance in a studio comedy is seems impossible right now. Don't you feel like I mean this comes from Nancy Dowd who her brother was playing minor league hockey and she spends a bunch of time she moves to where he was playing which was the Johnstown Jets

The team was for sale. She ends up stealing a bunch of stuff that she saw. Not stealing, but using for the script. Like a tape recorder in the locker room to get the rhythm of the dialogue. Can I be honest with you, though? This is actually something that really recommends the movie No Hard Feelings to me. But you may laugh and be like, No Hard Feelings is a silly Jennifer Lawrence movie. But that movie is set in Montauk, and it's set in the non-summer time with

the people who live in Montauk, which is a small town ultimately and has gotten a lot bigger in the last 30 years. But it's kind of about that. It's about a young woman who doesn't know how to make money. She can't drive her Uber because she got into a car accident. She's trying to save her mom's house. It actually has very similar stakes. But that movie, when it came out, it was like, holy shit, the one studio comedy we get this year. And it tried to do that. But you're right that in the 70s, it felt like there were 10 every year.

Or even Bull Durham. That came from Ron Shelton. Like, he played minor league baseball. All these, this Rolodex of memories he had and characters he saw. And now it just feels like if you did a movie like this, it would be somebody that, you know, went to

USC film school or when it was like, I'm going to write a thing and read some books and then you write it. Or maybe, I don't know, maybe this was a specific era because I still think this is the best era ever for sports movies, which is crazy. This might be the best year for sports movies. Well, yeah, it starts the longest yard in 74 and we've covered the bases with this, but Bad News Bears and Rocky in 76, Rollerballs in 75.

77 as Slapshot, North Dallas 40. We're just hitting. And then you have the goofier ones too, like One on One and Fast Break and Breaking Training, but the Psycho Madness Bears movie, all of those. What's Breaking Away? Breaking Away is 79. But this is the run. The 74 to...

the end of the 70s, this is when we made the best sports movies. And this is also when the best actors wanted to be in a sports movie. And wanted to be in comedies. And wanted to be funny, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think everybody, like, that's your childhood. Like, for me, my childhood is the 90s, and so I have, like, a much higher affinity for, like, Above the Rim, Blue Chips, you know, the Cosmo movies. I love those movies, too. Those, for me, those are my favorites because those are the ones that I was first exposed to. But the thing that these movies have that

those don't really have as much as like these movies are very unsafe they're just like we are really living on the edge of the kind of jokes that we're gonna make like even in white man can't jump which is a quote-unquote raunchy movie like there's nothing even close in that movie to what's going on in this movie with just the way that the guys are talking yeah and i think that the thing i noticed this time around i mean i was gonna save this for later but just as like strangely

it's a pretty sensitive movie and it's a pretty human movie. Like a lot of the times there will be what we would probably call homophobic language. And then next thing, like Paul Newman's like, hey, I'm sexually liberated. I love it. You know, do whatever. George Roy Hill. Goldman wrote, our guy William Goldman, he wrote it was the most underrated director of the last 30 years. He wrote that in the 2000s. He, a couple of George Roy Hill tidbits from Goldman.

George Ray Hill once told me this audiences love how to, when I asked what he meant, he explained that if you're going to say crack a safe audiences would be interested in the problems involved in really doing it. I believe Hill was right. So smart. And then the other thing he said, George Ray Hill once said that if you can't tell your story at an hour 50, you better be David Lean. I will go to my grave agreeing with that. Of course, slapshots two hours, but, uh,

The hour 50 test. I always thought it was an hour 40, but yeah, it's somewhere. Slapshot is also one of those movies where you forget there's like another 15 minutes after the Syracuse game, the last Syracuse game. You're like, oh yeah, they're going to do the parade and he's going to talk to Francine again. He's going to keep, he drags it out a little bit, but he did. Butch Cassidy that put him on the map is a phenomenon. The sting, he wins best picture, best director.

Great Waldo Pepper, which didn't do that well, but I think is a respected mid-70s movie. Yeah, fun one. Slapshot. Little Romance, which has Olivier in it and the young Diane Lane. It made her a star. World of Cardinal Garp, which we're going to be doing on the rewatchables probably this year. And then Funny Farm, a movie that I absolutely love. Chevy Chase, yeah. But his movies have a specific...

feel. Yeah. It's almost like, you know, it's a George Roy Hill movie. It's always like wide. You always see all the people involved in the scene. He's not cutting back and forth. It's, he's just kind of setting the scene at all times. And there's like these distinct characters and you just feel like you're in a, a

a place. You know what I mean? It kind of feels like it's just put Paul Newman in a documentary about him on a hockey team. I mean, like all the faces, all the extras, all the life in fictional Charlestown where they're, you know, like you get the feeling like you're like, oh, this is the real square. He can see Francine come out of the beauty salon. He's going to run over there and pretend like he didn't notice her. Like it just feels very lived in and very real in a way that it's hard to, I think it's very difficult for them to make movies like this now because it's

they're shooting everywhere for like tax purposes and like kind of everything looks the same.

And I don't know. But yeah, he has a sort of realness and humanity that I always respond to. You can see why he and Paul Newman were so simpatico because they had very similar careers where like he starts out in theater and live TV and he's with like Sidney Lumet, John Frankenheimer, that whole generation of guys. And those guys are a little older than the like Scorsese, De Palma, like that class of guys, but they're making movies at the same time. So they went through the paces of like

you know, he made Thoroughly Modern Millie in Hawaii, George Roy Hale. Like those are huge studio movies, musicals, like the stuff that if you were a for hire director in the 60s, that's the stuff you did. And then in like 71, 72, 73, Hollywood starts to break up and then young guys get a chance. But somebody like him knows how to adapt inside of that and also like put his arms around somebody like Paul Newman or Redford and be like,

we have cool ideas for movies like let's grab William Goldman let's do this let's do that and then all of a sudden somebody who seemed like could have just been a studio hack honestly if things hadn't broken the right way then goes on this 15 year run of like every movie you're like that's a George Roy Hill movie yeah I think of him like along with Hal Ashby kind of a little bit where it's just like this guy just got people yeah yeah well he's smart he always had big stars in his movies the Oscar speech that he gives which I watched after he won the Sting

It's a great speech. I would encourage people to watch it. It's not that long. He passes the buck to everybody else and it's like, you know,

make a movie like this and you're lucky enough to have a casting director like so-and-so and blah, blah, blah. And then you're lucky enough to have her say, you got to get Robert Shaw. And then you're lucky enough to have huge stars like Newman and Redford. Like my job's easy. And then he just walks off. Yeah. People are like, oh, good speech. Yeah. But he just gets it. At the end of Adventures in the Screen Trade, he has that like testimonial section where he interviews all the people he's worked with, Goldman. And there's like a George Roy Hill section in that George Roy Hill is basically like

If you have a good script and you have a good cast, the worst possible movie you can make is still pretty good. He's like, but it's like the directing is not what's going to change. He's like, if you have a bad script, it's not very likely that the director's going to, he's just very ego free at a time when like the cult of the director was really rising in America. And I think that that served him well. Nancy Dowd. So she goes in, she kind of doesn't rip off what's happening with Johnstown Jets, but just grabs a bunch of it. But the Hanson brothers are playing on the Johnstown Jets. Mm-hmm.

And of course, leading the team in penalty minutes. And so that light bulb goes off. And then they had Dave killer. Carlson was based on a guy, Dave killer Hanson, who was on that team as well. So she's just doing this, um, $6 million budget made $28 million. Not bad. So I couldn't find an Ebert review, but, uh, multiple reports say that there was a Cisco and Ebert show, uh,

in 77 where they initially both gave bad reviews to the movie. I saw Siskel. Siskel definitely killed it. And then like a couple, he's like, oh, and then I saw it again a couple weeks later and realized it's a classic. Yeah, so that, both of them belatedly were like, we regret how we felt about this movie. So it's one of those. So,

It's not a fuck you, Raj, but Raj is on watch for this one. Somebody put up a charticle from an old newspaper story that was like Gene Shalit and Rex Reed and Ebert and a bunch of people. And it was all these questions like, where do you sit in the movie theater? How many movies do you see a week? I did that. I put that on the rewatchable speed. And then Ebert's seen 20 movies a week. That's crazy.

crazy like he's gonna miss a haunted fantasy is that crazy or is that normal no but you're gonna miss like sometimes you're gonna be like yeah that was all right i gotta go like that's not gonna you're not gonna be like slap shot i am on it you know uh well i thought i i thought a lot about the syspo thing because i i think about this i'm like it's it's too much work to try to see every like big movie that that we would cover on big picture twice but in a lot of cases i try because you just you miss stuff you know you don't or you don't understand what the intention is or

The marketing sold you on something that it wasn't and then you're better, you can better understand it if you see it a second time. Now, sometimes if you see it a second time, you're just like more open to things that maybe most audience members are not going to be open to on first watch. So you're not adequately representing that point of view. The Pauline Kael review is the best review of this movie because she's like,

I have it. This movie like kind of is evil, but also great. You know, she's like, this is kind of what dudes really want. And here we are, like 40 years later being like, this is what dudes want. Can you can I please bartend in John? Is that eight hours of deleted seats? She wrote, I don't know that I've ever seen a picture so completely geared to giving the public what it wants with such an antagonistic feeling behind it.

He'll get you laughing, all right, but he's so grimly determined to ram entertainment down your throat that you feel like a Strasbourg goose. But then she said Newman had the best performance of his life to date. Pauline, good hang or bad hang? Brilliant writer.

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Dennis the goalie explaining penalties. Two minutes in the box, you feel shame, and then you get free. And there's a penalty for that? Yeah. And for a trip also, you know, like that. And for hook like this. And for spear, you know, like that. All bad. You do that, you go to the box, you know.

two minutes by yourself and you feel shame, you know, and then you get free. The, uh, when you watch this movie 40 times, you then find Jim Carr at the end of that interview going, I thought that went quite well. I still say that to myself whenever we have like an

just bad interview on the watch. I'm like, I thought that went quite well. I love how smoothly he starts the segment while still fixing the microphone. That's just a genius little touch in that scene. Yeah, it does a really good trick where you become more invested in him fixing the microphone than anything else happening. Also, anybody who didn't... I mean, even if you grew up in New York or LA, you just had a guy for like... Oh, God. Your entire childhood was like...

literally the only sportscaster. It was just like, I'm here interviewing the NFL coach, the hockey coach. I'm decomposing on air right now. I do the sports highlights and then I have like the like my take two minute segment, you know, like it's fucking so great. I don't want to be mean, but we definitely had one in Boston. It goes right from that to the crowd and the people coming out and it's like, Reggie Dunlap. Dunlap, you stink. Ned Braden, I hate you, Braden. Yeah.

France, pussy! And they show a national anthem and then we get the drunk guy saying, don't check me, I'm going to piss all over myself. This is all in the first five minutes. What is happening in this movie? Nobody just yanks you into a world like this movie does. It's so much better than, here's Ruddy Dunlap and here's what he does and here's who he is. It just drops you right into the world. And then one of the things that, you know, this is almost a Woodstage the Worst, but watching it

the first time I'm sure people are like can Newman skate are they gonna use like a stunt double and he's just doing it like he looks like a real athlete you never think about it once no you never think about any of those guys being actors on the ice I can even tell is pretty good good yeah but yeah what position was Reg in this movie

Feels like there was a forward because he was in Ankeen's line, right? Like I thought he was like a forward with. It seems like he's a wing, but then there's other times where it seems like he's playing defense. Doesn't he take the face off at the beginning of the game though? Yeah, he's kind of all over the place. Yeah. I don't, I think he's a forward, but there's other times when I don't know where he's supposed to be, but Reg meets the Hanson brothers at the bus station and then complains to Joe. They fight a Coke machine. He finds their toy cars. Um,

He says, I'm going to say a bad word. Are you crazy? Those guys are retards. And then the Eddie Shore masturbator story happens. And...

He's to set himself to the penalty box. Strother Martin's having a lot of fun in this movie. He's really hamming it up. I was coaching in Omaha in 1948, and Eddie Shore sends me this guy who's a terrible masturbator, you know, couldn't control himself. He would get deliberate penalties so he could get into the penalty box all by himself, and damned if he wouldn't. Oh, I'm sure it was you.

Everyone hanging in the hotel room. This is when Hanrahan's wife calls. Oh, yeah. But they're watching TV. The goalie's making the trade demands. They're telling him how to do that. Trade me right fucking now. And then hang up. The jackpot bowl. Ten bucks, he says. He says, all the guys at work. Why can't you bet on shit like that on Vanduul? One of the things I love about...

One of the things I love about this movie and the time it captures is just how important daytime TV was. Yeah. And just these stupid shows because there was nothing...

They were just odd. That's why people watch soap operas and stupid game shows. When they're watching the soap opera in the bar, and they're just like, she's doing that to make him crazy. But everyone is watching it, the whole bar. It seems unrealistic now in 2024, but that's really what it was like. I would just love to be able to bet on a Jeopardy contestant telling a story about their cat. Like, there's a cat story coming up here. The reg taunting Hanrahan.

Some bad language here. Can we just break the seal and do it? It's one of the funniest. Break which seal? Which part? Just say, he goes, hammer hand! His hand sucks pussy!

Suzanne sucks pussy. Say what? Hanrahan's so mad. He's just, they're pulling him off as his eyes are rolling back in his head. It's weirdly more subtle than that though because he does one lap and he's just like, Hanrahan! Just to like get his attention and then he comes back around and he drops one line and then he comes back around and drops another line. It's really funny. My favorite part is when fucking Hanrahan takes the mask off

He looks exactly like you would imagine Hanrahan to look. Like he's a balding psycho. And you mentioned the Newman faces and the cutaways. The cutaway to his face right before Hanrahan like tackles him is incredible. So funny where he's like. Right. And then he dives over the boards to get at him again. I'll kill you. It's so fucking funny. Reg ropes Dave into becoming Killer Dave.

which is a classic Newman thing. And then he's doing the locker room speech. Dave's a killer. Somebody's like, Dave's a mess. Leading to, okay, show us what you got to the Hansons. I mean, this is the most rewatchable stretch of the movie. It's also one of the most best, greatest,

sports movie sequences of all time. I was watching this with noise-canceling headphones on my TV last night, and when the puck hits the organist, I think I sounded like I had just taken like amyl nitrate poppers or something. I was just like crying with laughter because I'd forgotten that that happens, and then it pays off again later when the organist has the fucking helmet on. Right.

The one that always kills me is when one of the Hansons dives over the net and tries to swing the stick to hit the guy behind the net. Wait, why were you watching this with noise-canceling headphones on? I just was like trying it out. He's like, I'm not watching this again, motherfucker.

Would you go great shot Gordo Award? Most cinematic shot for the three Hansons hitting the guy and then the shot from behind the boards of the guy slowly sinking. This hand. I have a different one, but all the, like there's a bunch of those Hanson shots. I feel like the national anthem shot when it's on the ref's face and you can see the three Hansons behind him. That's my favorite. The, uh,

As they're wreaking havoc, they cut to one of the guys on the bench and he's like, these guys are a fucking disgrace. I just love the Hansons. Next one, pregame brawl on Peterborough. The skate around the first time when they kind of eyeball each other. He gets them again. This is the on list of the fucking song. Too much, too soon. Is this the guy when the Hansons get hit by a

The Keys. The Keys. And they're just beating the shit out of everybody. So this was two years before the Bruins went into the stands at MSG. And this actually happened in real life. I couldn't help but think of Malice in the Palace while watching this. I was like, holy shit. This actually did happen in a basketball game. The McCracken-Dunlop stick fight. Not killer. Killer. Killer, yeah. McCracken-Carlson stick fight.

And then on the bench, Ned punches Reg and he goes up. Oh, their interaction is incredible. He crashes the announcer booth. He's like, we win because I score goals. Bullshit, we win because I make them crazy. Then he goes up and he gets in a fight with our guy, Jim Carr. I may be bald, but I'm not chicken shit. Ned, what's a young man of your background still doing playing professional hockey? I hate my father.

Isn't his response like, is that so? And he's like, that's what I said, right? The Syracuse intros for the final game. Clarence screaming Buffalo Swamp Town. I'll never forget an exclusive interview with Swamp Town revealed that he calls his hockey stick the Big Tomahawk.

And he usually refers to the opposing players as the little scalp. They show him the next one. Andre Poodle, Lucia defense. As you know, it's been living in semi seclusion in Northern Quebec. Ever since the unfortunate daddy tragedy. Do you think he just killed a guy on the ice and it was like, I had an unanswered most like he definitely murdered somebody during a game. Yeah. There's no question. I don't know if it was unfortunate.

Where would this movie be without Jim Carr? Honestly, he does so much work. This young man has had a very trying rookie season with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him. And don't sleep on Gilmore Tittle. And from mile 40 Saskatchewan, where he now runs a donut shop.

Donuts from that guy? Who's the guy who also has a lawyer? He always is. He's like, Sam Smallpoint Lockman. Yeah.

And then the final bench growing brawl would be the last one. Anything else you would add for rewatchable scenes? I mean, Reg and Suzanne in bed talking about their lives is pretty great. And then I have a bunch of Lily scenes just because I think she's a dynamite girl. I love the showdown with Anita, with Catherine Walker when he goes to her house, you know, and he's like, you're fucked, you know? Right.

Well, we all have the same rewatchable scene, right? The Hansons being unleashed. What's aged the best? Hockey footage is incredible. Kudos to George Roy Hill. It looks great.

I don't know how they pulled this off in 1970. They're shooting this in 1976, how they had on the ice, having it look like this. It seems like way ahead of the game. Great, like constantly pulling back, doing the wide shot of the rink and then close-ups and then action in all three settings. You're like, wow, this game is happening. Because they didn't have the Steadicam at this point, did they? No, I think they had a guy on skates. It seems like it. Fucking nuts. No helmets really helps this movie too. That's a what's aged the best. Yeah.

I have a bunch of them. What do you have, CR? Calling arenas the war memorial. I just think, like, all arenas should just be called, like,

Something like battle war. Yeah. It's just like, why are like all the Costco Wells Fargo stuff is just as such a bummer when you just hear him go, come on down with a war Memorial on Saturday. Um, us versus the owners, like the, the idea of like this kind of, you know, scrappy fuck it. We do it ourselves is basically the plot of major Leeds in a lot of ways. So that, that has always been a great sports trope. I mean, it's like a, a, that guy and girl, uh,

cavalcade and a lot of people's like first second or third movies that you would see over and over. Yeah. Yeah. And then at Walsh. Yeah. You know even Michael Onkean like he hadn't really done a ton up until this point. Right. Catherine Walker. I have a Newman's leather fur jacket which apparently my friend Rob Mills somebody had made for him and gave it to him as a birthday gift. As a replica? Because he loved the Newman jacket. Yeah. Rob Mills.

has the Newman, a version of the Newman jacket. I also, could you pull that off? I don't think so. Unless I lived in like a cold town. No. Well, it's mint, it's mink around the sides, right? But then it's like a long leather. Yeah. And then the, uh, the all brown leather, uh, leather leisure suit is spectacular.

When are those coming back? It actually, you can hear it crunching in the scene with the owner. Is that why people don't wear those anymore? Because they're so uncomfortable and unwieldy? I think that there's a bunch. I mean, I also think it must be so hot to wear that thing. Can you imagine? No. It's like wearing a fire-retarded suit. Yeah. I have terrible, awkward local sports interviews, which you mentioned earlier. The gym car, like every town had gym cars, just the fact.

Lindsey Krauss and Newman together five years before the verdict. Yeah. I wanted to be a nurse. Who are these men? Uh, Francie and the ex-wife, just the classic seventies milf. I'm going to say it. Okay. Good enough. Just classic. Just a specific look for that decade that I don't think like you would not see that person anymore.

If somebody just walked through the hallway, wherever. How old do you think Reg is? And how old do you think Francine is? So I'm going to say Reg is probably like 40, 41. And Francine, you could give me any number from 35 to 50. Yeah. I feel like, isn't she also the actress who plays her, Jennifer Warren? Isn't she also the MILF in Night Moves, the Hackman movie? And she's Melanie Griffith's mom? Yeah, you're right. She's in a bunch of stuff. She had a good career.

I want to shout out for what's aged the best. Just how funny it is. The guy threatening to expose himself at the fashion show because they don't put stuff in movies like that. I'm going to whip it out, Joe. I want to give you a heart attack. Everything in that scene is unrepeatable, but is amazing. Well, and then it, the punchline is he goes off and then you just hear people screaming in horror. Um, all the handsome moments we mentioned.

What's aged the best? The Deep Throat Meatball double feature marquee. So Meatball was a Harry Reams porn movie. I'd search for that. My iPad shot after the last... You went hunting for it. After Fast Times, I'm done. When I search premature ejaculator movie... You have like Russian Google coming up. Yeah, it's done. You won't go into incognito on Chrome. That's the CR trick. Deep Throat and Meatball.

Do you pick one or the other? Or are you just like, I'm going to bang out both of them? No, I think it's a double feature. For Sean, yeah. You know, he's trying to see everything twice. I like to, yeah, really get into the text of the film, see what they were going for. I really like when Reg runs into McCracken's team after the bounty. Oh, yeah. And McCracken walks up to him and is like, Dunlop, you suck cock. And then just turns around. And he goes as much as I can get. Hi, McCracken. Dunlop, you suck cock.

All I can get. - We mentioned Slapshot was filmed in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, one of two sports films over seven years span, the other being Tom Cruise, All the Right Moves. And if you watch All the Right Moves, knowing that this is also where they did Slapshot, it's pretty funny. It's a big pivotal scene at the end with the coach, you remember.

When he tells him off and the coach falls him out. Hey, Georgia Vic. It's like right basically where the parade was. Ask yourself this. Could Tom Hanks have played that part? Probably not. I don't think so.

Top three. Wait, wait, wait. Why do you think Pennsylvania is like the center for all these dying towns and all these movies in this time period? Cheap to film in. But it's also like people really care about sports in that state. You know, like that is the idea basically like, hey, for nine months of the year, like this is the only thing that matters. But I think they're trying to make it seem like like Charlestown was in New England somewhere.

When I put the movie on today, I was like, is this in Massachusetts? It was in the synopsis. It said a New England town. Yeah. So I think they try to make it because they're playing like Hyannisport. Syracuse. They're all in like the Massachusetts, New York. So I don't think it's supposed to be Pennsylvania. I had, which is the worst, but it would be like nine hour bus rides to go play hockey. It would be tough. Yeah.

I have a bad 70s daytime TV shows. My favorites that they showed were the Hawaiian Showcase.

The soap opera in the bar, which sounds crazy, but would be. And then bowling, like just people watching bowling. We used to have Saturday bowling in Massachusetts. It's still on TV, right? It was a huge show hosted by Don Gillis. Yeah, and it's just like the idea of being basically like, that's it. Like you can't also look at Instagram. You know what I mean? Like it would just be like, I'm just watching bowling. What else are you going to do? Schmitz beer? Yeah.

I think I always thought that was a fake beer because of the SNL sketch. The Schmitz gang? The Schmitz gang, which is one of the funniest sketches. It has a lot in common with Slapshot, honestly. The super horny inappropriate teammate is a permanent one. Here's to all that gorgeous snatch at FLA.

Can we hire that guy for the rigor? No, I think even on sports teams, you would be an HR violation. Moe. Moe is canceled many times over. Moe is a victim of canceling. The barmaid, as soon as I walked in, she was rubbing up against me. Paul Miles. Can we add him to the win-chickens category? Moe. Is he on Byron Mayo's corner? Yeah, sure. So,

We'll have Moe weigh in on Before Sunrise. So another what's aged the best. The guy in the hockey team who won't fight. This was such a huge thing in the 70s. Our guy in the Bruins was Peter McNabb. He was like, you fucking chicken shit. Drop the gloves, McNabb. Fucking loser. Everyone else was fighting.

I feel like it was a pretty, it's a pretty accurate representation of like the star who has all the enforcers around, like the Gretzky, you know, having the body guy who would protect him. And the characterization of Ned is like this guy who's gone to college could get a job with his dad or his wife's dad, but instead is just like, I'm going to while away in the federal league or wherever they're playing, you know, and just,

it's so no perfect. It went two ways because we had Rick Middleton too who also didn't fight but it was like he was just this awesome offensive player. You wouldn't want him to fight. Yeah. But McNabb was big. Like Gretzky you would want to fight. There are certain guys so maybe Ned Braden was in that. Felt like they were trying to make him seem like that. Are you a big Rempe guy? Or you're an Islanders fan right? I'm an Islanders fan yeah.

What's aged the best? The mega mooning and hyenas porch? Just the concept of mooning in movies? It just always delivers? I think this is in the running for best moon ever. We had one recently on the show. There was one where we were like, that's a great one. That's a great... Is there an officer and a gentleman? Is there a mooning in that one? Yeah. And then last but not least for me, Melinda Dillon.

Who took my movie Breast Virginity in 1977. Movie Breast Virginity? Yeah, I did this. That is a series on Ringer Movies on YouTube. Well, I may have done this in a mailbag once upon a time. Are you going to do Breast Pyramid? Well, there's this certain generation. I just have a couple of people, depending on what your age was. But this is 70s, 80s. This is really good content. Lacey Underall and Caddyshack, we talked about her.

The girl who came out of the bathtub in room 217 and turned to an old woman in The Shining. Yeah. That might have been your first one. 237, but yeah. 237. Hanran's ex-wife. The girl's Bluto is eyeing an animal house. The faceless, topless girl in Airplane. Yeah. Phoebe Cates in Fast Time. We talked about that last week. Jamie Lee Curtis in Trading Places. Linda Hamilton in Terminator. Apollonia in Purple Rain. Yeah.

And Terry, played by Joyce Heiser and just one of the guys. There's a 10-year stretch where your first nudity experience in a movie was probably one of those people, unless you want to also throw in Apollonia Corleone if it was The Godfather. Or the three-boobed woman in Total Recall. That's later. That was a take for me. I'm going mid to late 70s through early 80s. For a whole generation, it was one of those actresses. I would put Rosie Perez and do the right thing on that list, too.

That's later. That's late 80s. Right into just one of the guys. But you go late 80s to 90s, that's a completely... Now we're moving into a completely different list of people. Rosie Perez and White Man Can't Jump. You're only talking about your experience, though. I'm just saying 70s and 80s. I agree. We can go... Yes. We can go with a whole... That's the thing. Everyone... Like, for some people, it's Shane and Elizabeth and American Pie. It was like, that was my first. You're basically... You're negating me and Sean's sexual awakenings. No, you guys had a different...

But who else, who is in your generation? Rosie Perez is a good one. That's a good one. I'm trying to think of, Joyce Heister in Just One of the Guys is a big one because that movie's on cable all the time when I was a kid. I'm trying to think of what we're like. I mean, Basic Instinct is a huge one, obviously. Sharon Stone. She takes her, well, I mean. Go into detail. Yeah, but in Total Recall, she also gets naked, right? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I would have remembered that. I think out of all these. I mean, Demi Moore.

She had a couple of moments. I had a few. Yeah. I think out of all of these, the worst case scenario for your first time was The Shining.

Yes. Like if that was your first nude scene in a movie and this beautiful woman gets out of a bathtub and you're like, oh my God, it's my first nude scene. And then Jack's hugging her and then she turns into a disgusting old woman with skin coming. And that's the first time you've had a nude experience. You're probably going to be traumatized. Can I tell you, I'm in the middle of an 800 page book about the making of The Shining right now. It's a fucking amazing book. Who wrote that? It's,

Lee Unkrich, who's the director of several Pixar movies. And he's been obsessed with The Shining since he was a kid. And so he just basically negotiated with the Kubrick estate. But I haven't gotten to the part where he talks about how he was traumatized by that lady getting out of his tub naked. What are you going to do when it's like, I talked to Bill Simmons? You're the voice. Yeah, you're the expert on that sequence. People who are obsessed by The Shining is its own subculture of humans. Totally. Crazy. I mean, the book is crazy. Like nutjobs.

All right. The Den of Thieves Benihana where it's scene stealing location. I really like downtown, not really Charlestown, but I also like when they pull in a hyena sport with that rotary when they're doing the moons, like whatever that is. What else would you go with there? I have Reg's place. Oh, it is such a bachelor pad. Yeah. And, you know, like he's still like the light is still on. He's got to put the landline in the drawer to get it to stop ringing. The couch is the bed. Yeah. Yeah.

The Kate Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness or Best Needle Drop is clearly Ned's wife flying in with the blue van when Fleetwood Mac's Rhiannon is playing. This movie has multiple Fleetwood Mac songs and Elton John's Sorry seems to be the hardest word. And I think they had like a lot of problems clearing that. Like they would re they put different songs on it, like on different cable broadcasts because they couldn't clear. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. So you don't think right back where we started from is the needle drop?

I had that in a different category. I know, but where is the needle drop? It's there so often it almost becomes not a needle drop. They play it like five times. I think it's probably at the beginning when it first plays and you're like, oh, this is the theme of the movie. But I mean, that song, like, I think this is still true. But when I was a kid in Esme Coliseum, if the Islanders won, they would just play that song. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Big Hoonah Burger Award, best use of food and drink. Schmidt's beer is great, but I really like the use of flasks. I know Chris Ryan's a flask guy. It's also intense that she's like, I'm drinking from a flask at a bar. That's what Lily's doing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, do you want a beer with that? Yeah. Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. Very curious to hear your response to this. Why don't you go first? I don't really have one. It's not Lily. I have the Strip Teas, I'm Fine.

I don't, I have a better idea for it later. Whatever. It's, it's a gimmick. I don't like the sudden forfeit. It's always bothered me for 47 years. Tough way to lose the finals. Like the most 70s part of this movie is like, they're like, we're not just going to have them win or lose. Like we're going to have this like kind of

weird exotic theatrical ending. I think that striptease is a kind of a stroke of genius because of how unique it is. The forfeit though it feels like you get cheated out of a great sports movie moment. It might even hold it back from being the sports movie because there's no exaltation. There's no like oh god yes finally my team won which

So like so many much worse movies give you that feeling. So I also don't know why it's a forfeit. Tim McCracken's just mad at the ref. He hits the ref. Just throw Tim McCracken out of the game. Yeah. Keep it going. The game's over. Yeah. There's a couple of things that defy sports logic. I love that. Wood Sage the worst.

What would the extender have thought of that? You know, I wouldn't have an idea. What's aged the worst? The cable version of Slapshot, just a lot of mutilation all over the place. I don't think I've ever seen it on cable. They used to do this thing in the Melinda Dillon scene where they would just like basically make the bottom part of the screen dark. So you couldn't see anything. Yeah.

So then if you're watching when you're 15, you're like... You're just like standing high to see like over the darkness. Yeah. Trying to see if you can see through the darkness. Even that scene, which took your breast virginity, your movie Breast Virginity. Yeah. It's still weirdly kind of ordinary, you know? She's just like... She's really good in that scene. It's not like va-va-voom, you know? Like that's not the point of the scene, you know? Yeah, it's like her having like a real character moment. Yeah. Yeah, which is so funny because like then the next scene...

He's like Suzanne sucks pussy But like you know that that's like a human being with like and hand rands just like a piece shit Newman's really good in that scene too is he's just kind of milking the information out of her. She's like do you want to hear about it? He's like no He says when he's like laying on her stomach where he's just women's bodies are beautiful men's bodies. I don't know I just see cocks all day long What's age the worst

Linda Dillon ends up as the mom in A Christmas Story. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of bizarre that it was Hanran's wife. No, it was just funny that it's like, wait, that's Hanran's wife. Universal offered Steve Carlson, Jeff Carlson, and David Hanson the spinoff to be the Hanson brothers again. They said no. You think that's true? They say it's true and...

It's a little dubious. I got my doubts on that. Because it's not like the movie crushed. Like, you want to be the stars of your own movie? And they were like, I'm good. I want to keep running this ice rink in Pennsylvania. Plus, they eventually did Slapshot 2 in 2002, which we've all pretended never happened. Mentioned the tough language in this movie. So, this is really just for me and people my age. But Dave Killer Carlson, that guy, Jerry Houser, who played him,

A couple years later, played Marsha Brady's husband in the Brady Bunch TV movies, which they kept doing. They kept doing reunion movies and he was Marsha Brady's husband. Oh, yeah. And it was like, that's Dave Kilmer Carlson. Like, you can't be like Mike Brady's son-in-law. This is too weird. Yeah. Putting a bounty on an opponent has aged the worst because of Greg Williams kind of ruined it. We had Bounty Gate, The Saints.

You miss when we had bounties? You kind of sort of wish you could. Kind of miss bounties. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, I kind of like the idea of, hey, $100. Like, Freddie Ryan definitely did that. Yeah. And it was pretty sick. Who that's still in the NBA playoffs would have the highest bounty on their head right now? T.J. McConnell. No. No, it would have to be a star player. Take out T.J. Just get rid of that guy. The guys from The Departed are about to take T.J. to the fucking Rhode Island airport. Hey, T.J. Yeah. I hated playing against him, but I have a lot of respect for him.

This is just a what's aged the worst, just the sentence I'm about to read. In 1998, Maxim Magazine named Slapshot the best guy movie of all time. It's the most Maxim sentence. In 1998, that really mattered to a lot of people. The most guy movie of all time? By Maxim Magazine. Yeah. And then I mentioned Slapshot 2, Breaking the Ice, 2002. But we also had Slapshot 3, The Junior League in 2008. And the Hanson Brothers won both. That was one of my first efforts, yeah. Yeah.

Ruffalo hand and Rubinick partridge. Wait, I have a couple of worst. Oh, you didn't tell me. Just at a certain point, the bus driver has a swastika on his helmet that he's driving around in. Probably take that one back. I didn't notice that. Really? Yeah. And then also, this is kind of sad, but capturing the spirit of the thing as a sports writer has kind of gone out of favor now. Like, you're just...

Do you know what I mean? There's not a lot of Dickie Dunn columnists anymore. I don't know. I disagree. I feel like this is still kind of in the, like, what's aged the best territory. I love that kind of writing. I mean, Sean read every Nick's column by Mike Vaccaro. I still do. But I feel like the I'll publish whatever you tell me era of journalism is, like, going really strong right now. That's true. So...

Any examples? You know, I don't want to cast any aspersions, but let's just say in the information era. You think that Dickie Dunn would be like Mark Bartlstein from Excel Sports told me? Yeah. You know, what Reggie's doing is something that, you know, a lot of our star players and agents are doing all the time. The only other thing about Dickie that I wanted to mention is what's the worst is his parenting style. The little girl is like, Dad, he called me a pussy and then changed the channel. He's just like, go back in that room.

Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick, Partridge overacting word. How about old guy McGrath at the end of Strother? You're losing! We're losing! They're burying us! He really dials it up. It's on Eddie Shore! We're losing! Teamwork, guys. More teamwork. They're burying us alive! Eddie Shore? Oh, piss on, Eddie Shore! Old time hockey? Piss on old time hockey! You're broke!

I like that part. I love Strother Martin. I had Thousand Up. I just had Brad Sullivan. I had Mo. Every line delivery. Was there a better title for this movie? No way. I had Old Time Hockey. That was the only other alternative I had. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote?

The hockey wife, Swoosie Kurtz, saying, I only drink in the afternoon or before a game or when Johnny's away. I don't know. I just enjoyed that. I like that scene in the car. The first of a dozen parts that she plays, just like that character. I mean, there's 70. All the memorable quotes we don't need to rip through because everyone knows who they are. Newman's kiss off to the owner is my quote. It's a tough one. Yeah.

What do you have for the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford? How does it take a word? I think it's honestly what I alluded to earlier, which is that for as edgy as the dialogue and the language in this movie is, I think for the most part,

it also like reckons with it. So like the Suzanne thing is like a really good example of like, even though he's screaming, your wife's a dyke at the goalie, like Suzanne actually gets like a scene. Like you actually have this like balance to the language. And for the most part, I think like even the times when they're throwing around the F word, like he's like,

hey, but I, you know, like, I love it. Like, it's okay. I'm sexually liberated. You know, like, there's like a, kind of like a realness to it in that way. Well, and the other thing is, the whole job of this movie, she's trying to provide a snapshot of what life was like in this minor league team in the mid-70s. This is how they talk. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's not in What's Aged to the Worst. Like, obviously, we don't talk like that anymore, but this is definitely what guys talk like in a locker room, so. Do you have a hottest take? Because I have a good one. I don't. I think this movie is better in the final game

If Ned sees his wife all dolled up looking good and he jumps off the bench instead of doing the striptease, he skates over to McCracken and fights him, wins the fight. They settle the brawl and then they come back and win the game and have some sports movie ending. But you want Ned to sell out.

I think he beats the hell out of McCracken. He buys into what the team, to the violence piece. It's a complete opposite of what the ending is. And then we just get a traditional sports movie ending.

body checks Nick when he's drunk and makes him piss himself so that they win the game. And so he is engaged in a little bit of the dark arts there. Totally. He's not totally moral. I just think it's a more fun, rewatchable movie if that's... And then we get the traditional sports movie ending. Isn't it kind of crazy how it has persisted, though, without giving you that moment? I get it. I'm just saying that's why it's a hottest take. I guess the one hottest take thing I was thinking about was that it's the rare movie that

We always complain about sequels, but I would have very happily watched the Minnesota part two. Casting with ifs. One of the best ones I think ever in 337 movies. Al Pacino wanted to play Reggie Delmont, but George Roy Hill chose Newman.

How would they have done that? Would they have had a rink that was like half of it was lower so that they could shoot up on Pacino and make him look like he wasn't 5'4"? I'm skating again! You're going to wind up with a cock in your mouth! I had a meeting with the Hanson brothers half an hour ago!

I knew you had a sip. I'm trying not to spit out my water. So, originally all three Carlson brothers were supposed to be in the movie, but then the third one got called up by Edmonton for the WHA playoffs and they had to make Dave Hanson become Jack, the third brother, and they hired my guy Jerry Hauser to be Dave Killer Carlson. And...

Poor Jack Carlson had to be in the WHA playoffs pre-Gretzky. This is in the research. This was according to the captain, chief's captain, the guy who played Johnny Upton, that apparently Nick Nolte was trying like crazy to get the Ned Braden part, but Anke had been a star right wing at University of New Hampshire, got the part instead. Interesting Nick Nolte time, he ends up doing North Dallas 40 instead. He'd just done Rich Man, Poor Man. He was about to become like one of the actors. Yeah.

And I think this all worked out. I completely agree. I don't think they need Nick Nolte. I told you guys that I watched North Dallas 40 right after this. And he's so fucking good in that movie. And also like much more credible, I think, as an NFL player than he would have been as like the pretty boy goal scorer. Yeah. It's hard to imagine Nick Nolte being like, I won't fight for you. Five years later, he's hanging out with Reggie Hammond.

Yeah. This sucks. Maniac gets a hold of my gun, runs around town killing people. He got a lot older in that five years. Yeah, he really did. Well, yeah, those were hard five years. Best that guy award? Would you go Swoozie Kurtz or would you go Paul Mooney or somebody else? I got M.M. at Walsh. Okay. Dooley is a good one, though. I have Dooley. I have Walsh for Dion. Okay. Really important Dion Waiters award for best heat check. And I think we have to have

Some parameters. Okay. So, the people who are in the movie the whole time but don't have a lot of dialogue, like Mo, the perv. And Johnny. The goalie. I feel like those are characters, right? You can't... I love Denis, though. Every time the goalie is on screen, it makes me laugh. So...

I think those guys are off the table, which leaves us... Is Jimmy Carr in the movie too much? He's got more lines of dialogue than most of the members of the team. Yeah, he's almost the narrator of the movie. He's fucking hilarious in the movie, though. So we have Anita... Please stop not chicken shit! We have Anita, the team owner. We have the blonde buxom sisters who love Billy. Oh, yeah. We have the hyena sport heckor. Oh, yeah. Where the fuck did they find that guy? Or...

Um, you get anyone on Syracuse, including Tim McCracken. Dr. Hook. Yeah. We haven't even said Oglethorpe yet. Or you get Oglethorpe or you get the ref who they finally scream. You're almost in the fucking song. Cause he's the refs in a bunch of stuff. Um, I think it's Tim McCracken. I was going to say, I think Dr. Hook. Yeah. He's only in a couple of scenes. He's super like one of the scariest faces of all time. Do you read the Wolverine thing?

Oh, they based Wolverine off of him? Yeah, they based the, you know, the Logan. Do you think that was true? I don't know. I feel like this movie is way later than the creation of Wolverine, but I guess maybe in the 80s versions of the comics. This is a nitpick, but I was going to ask, like, if there was a guy in any era of hockey who was notorious for, like, his scalpel-like precision with using his stick, that would be, like, wouldn't he be kicked out of hockey?

It's minor league hockey? Yeah, I guess so. It feels like they're playing in a different universe. He was played by Paul D'Amato. And sadly, he died in February. So let's give him the MLS. All right, good. Wow. He had a hell of a face. Great 70s hairdo and just kind of frightening looking. Recasting couch director City. I don't have a lot of notes here, but I do think they should have had a real-life NHL enforcer from the mid-70s.

on the Syracuse team. Did you have a favorite guy? Well, I think Dave Schultz would have made sense, though, because he was like the most famous Broad Street bully. But you could have John Wensink. You could have Gary Howitt. Like, just somebody just coming in and being in Tucson. Who was that? There was an Islanders guy in the Mike Bossy era. I can't remember who that was. Well, they had Clark Gillies. Yeah, yeah, Clark Gillies. Bob Nystrom was the one you never wanted to fight, but he didn't want to fight that much. Yeah. Tony Romo or Chris Collinsworth for director's commentary. Yeah.

Oh, Mike. It's Clarence. What's his name? What's Clarence's name? Swamp Town? Oh, Mike. Swamp Town's here. He's got the... Clarence Screaming Buffalo Swamp Town? He's got the Tomahawk. You gotta love that. Mike, I just think Ogie Oglethorpe's a little misunderstood. I just...

This guy loves hockey. He got turned away at the border, Mike, but he's back to play. Yeah, Canada didn't even want him, Mike. It's got to hurt. She sucks pussies, Jim. Please make that thumbnail. Yeah, Robo would be good. Here come the Hanses, Jim. Oh, God. They're wreaking havoc, Jim. No penalties. Puck hasn't even dropped yet, Jim. We'll take a break and we'll do half-assed.

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All right, half-assed internet research.

We've done some of this stuff already, but apparently it's a big deal. They translated the movie into colloquial Quebec French and not standard French, which was a big deal for all the French-speaking Canadians. And it became basically the godfather for French-speaking Canadians. So smart move there.

They played at the Cambria County War Memorial Arena and the Star Rink in Hamilton, New York, which is where Colgate is, by the way. Oh. The Utica Memorial Auditorium and the Onondaga County War Memorial, which they used as Hyannisport. See, they're all named War Memorial. Just awesome names. And then Reggie Dunlop was based on former EHL Long Island Ducks player coach John Brophy, whose name was used as the drunk center of the Hyannisport team.

Do you remember the Long Island Ducks? Any memories, Sean? Yeah, I think the Long Island Ducks are a baseball team now, actually. I don't think they're a hockey team anymore. But yeah, hockey is huge in Long Island. Do you feel like, you know, like Eagle Rock, that area in LA, like could get away with like a nice little minor league hockey team? Oh, I wonder where is there a minor league hockey team? There's gotta be one. Like San Bernardino? I imagine for the Anaheim team, there's gotta be a team close by. I like that. I like when there's like minor league stuff.

in a town like this that has just enough stuff to do. The Ontario Reign are in Ontario. That's a minor league hockey team? That's pretty close. Ontario's a good place for hockey. Great airport. Sure. That was a good youth soccer location. Johnstown Jets. They played their last season when the year this movie came out. Missed the season because of another Johnstown flood. Came back for two years, then went out of business in the 80s. This is funny about the Carlsons.

First one was born, Jeff. Jack was born 13 months later. And then Steve was born one year and three days later. They were just pumping out Carlson's. Good for them. They were all within two years of each other in three years. And then on the Johnstown team, the three of them led the team in penalty minutes. Jeff was the highest at 264. The other one was 248, 248. It was like a lot of penalty minutes. Did you ever play hockey growing up? I never did. I never did either. You play hockey? No, I can't skate.

Ben Simmons, my son. Yeah. The one, the Ben Simmons who likes sports. He seems like he would be like a really good hockey player. We got him four months, like four to six months too late. We got him when he was like six and a half. And you have to start skating when you're four or five. And he would have been great at hockey. Yeah. One of my big miss by us. One of my best friends in high school, her little brother played hockey. And it was that, it was that like he started at three. Actually, my nephew, Tyler, plays hockey. And he started when he was like three years old. Now they're traveling all over the country.

all the time. You have to start skating. For the people listening, you have to start skating by the time you're five latest. Someone listening to us. Five latest. For parenting tips. Parent corner. Yeah. That's why I'm not pushing any sports because I'll just, I'll go down that rabbit hole very quickly. He just, he just would have loved talking.

Jim Carr's toupee was modeled after an actual Johnstown sportscaster named Bill Wilson who wore a really bad wig. So Nancy Dowd wrote that one down. The differentiation between the colors is perfect. Why are you wearing that terrible rug? The Carlson brothers said when they went into the stands for the fight that some of the actors kind of got into it. Oh, yeah. And were throwing some punches and it got a little heated. Netflix should do a fake Untold on the Hanson brothers. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They filmed this movie in June and had to pretend it was cold. So they're wearing these jackets and like Newman's baking and the leather clothing. And then Oglethorpe was based on a longtime minor league goon named Goldie Goldthorpe, who was the Syracuse Blazers rookie, who one season had 25 fighting majors before Christmas and was a legend. So they just took that. They also took the Hanson brothers jumping into the stands and

That, that has a real life story. You can Google all this. There was another one where the Hansons got hit by a cup of ice in Utica and they went in the stands. And then there was another one where the Binghamton players before a game came out with plastic glasses and big noses and the Carlson's just fucking, they just started fighting before the game.

So those three things were pulled into the movie. I think that's like, that's so perfect. That's like all the Ron Shelton stuff from Bull Durham, all like hanging out in the Venice courts for Wait, I Can't Jump. It's like if you pull from real life, it's just going to be so much better.

I have a couple of Nancy Dowd facts. Yeah. One is just that she did a bunch of uncredited work, but her run after Slapshot, she wrote the original script for Coming Home, but it got rewritten. She was not happy about that. She did uncredited work on Straight Time, North Dallas 40. She worked on SNL for a year in 80 to 81 and then did an uncredited pass on Ordinary People. And her brother played Ogie Oglethorpe. Yeah. Apex Mountain.

Newman? No. What's the apex mountain for Newman? Butch? I think it's Butch. The Sting. Butch, Sting, somewhere in there. And then Towering Inferno in 73 and 74. The Sting winning best picture in 74 and then Towering Inferno comes out and it's the biggest movie of the year. That's pretty...

Tough to match. Do we need Towering Inferno type movies again? We have them. That's the problem. That's what George Butler does like one a year. No, but those type of movies, but with basically it's the Ocean's Eleven cast in peril. Oh, like have... Because part of Towering Inferno is they had some of the biggest stars from the 70s just in peril.

And then they did Airplane. They did Poseidon Adventure. It would be cool if even better actors did those bad movies every once in a while. That's what happened for two years. I'm ready for... Like Cumberbatch in a couple of years. Yeah. I mean, I like those Irwin Allen movies. I feel like we deploy that in different ways now. Well, now it's like Valentine's Day or like those Gary Marshall movies. Yeah. I mean, some of the franchise movies... I mean, the Harry Potter movies were kind of a version of that. It was like every incredible English actor born...

after 1950 is in these movies. Right. More I pick Spawn. On Keen, I would say yes. Twin Peaks? Twin Peaks. I feel like Twin Peaks. I mean, he was one of the stars of Twin Peaks in 1990 when it was the biggest show on TV. Yeah. I think most people look at him and they're like, that's the guy from Twin Peaks. Really? Over Ned Braden? I think so. Hockey fighting?

I can't tell you how glorious this era was for hockey fights. The Bruins had at least a couple of games. It was one of the reasons to watch. It was part of the sport in a totally different way. Now when I watch hockey fights, I feel like guys are going to get really hurt.

The guys know how to fight now. They hold off and then they come in. This was like, you're just like normal guys fighting. I was watching a bunch of videos of guys talking about how Rempy needs to learn how to fight because he's not protecting himself enough. He's just acting like it's the 80s or whatever. George Roy Hill? No. Sports movies? I think you can make a case, yes. I definitely think that 77 has a shout for the best sports movie year.

And you're also coming off a bunch of great ones that happened the three years earlier. Yeah. And then everyone starts ripping off in all these different ways for the next three years. I feel like this isn't the center of, like, in terms of quality, maybe, but not, you know, there's the, like, um...

Bull Durham Hoosiers Field of Dreams era where it's like these are the like the most important movies in America feeling yeah you know when Field of Dreams came out it was like late 80s kind of almost like the sons of this era yeah and it's like a lot of movies kind of coasted off of that too like Rudy and everything after that too you know like yeah that felt like the late 80s had Hoosiers Rudy not Rudy Hoosiers Major League Bull Durham Field of Dreams

The natural is like 84, right? You know, like eight men out in the late eighties. Is there basketball? There's no basketball. White man can't jump is 93. That's like a whole, that moves into a whole other era. Cause we go into white man, jump the program, blue chips. I also feel like that kicked off a whole wave of kids, sports movies in the early nineties to kind of cresting off the field of dreams thing. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's not the, this is definitely one of the best ever.

Maybe like prestige sports movies. Is this Apex Mountain from Movie Brothers? Carlson's? I guess the Corleone Brothers. I'd say Corleone's. Yes. Yes. Lindsey Krauss. I'm still going with the verdict. House of Games for me. I wanted to be a nerd! She's good at House of Games. Great. Well, she was married to him. They got divorced. Oh, yeah, they did. Strother Martin. Cool hand Luke.

Yeah, definitely. Hockey movies, no question. Minor League Hockey, just in general? Or Minor League, well, is it this or, I was going to say Minor League Sports, but I guess Bull Durham is probably. 1970 Pontiac GTO hardtop in Baja gold? Can you find that right now, that car? Probably not.

Movies that made CR want to bartend at a fucking dive bar in the middle of nowhere. And the Jimmy Conway's bar in Goodfellas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But that Jimmy Conway's bar is more dangerous. I bet the Aces gets pretty fucking dangerous. It's three o'clock. You're watching soap operas with half of the Chiefs. One in the morning when you're like trying to go last call at a hockey team. I don't know. Cruiser Hanks.

This to me is such so clearly a Tom Hanks role. Yeah. But Cruz in the on key role. Ooh. Yeah, that's fair. But it's the lead role. This is like. Sean always tries to rig the rules somehow. Hanks in League of Their Own is basically doing his version of Reg. Hanks is better in this movie. Have we considered Hanks and Cruz as a possible wrinkle to the category? No. Is this movie better with Hanks and Cruz? One or the other.

Cruz and the on-camp roll would be great because then it would be there'd be the stories about how Cruz spent four months learning to skate. Yeah. He hired the top figure skating coach. Then he needed to be Pacino so that they could be the same height though. True. And think of how the subtext would hit when he's like, is he gay? And he's like, no, he has huge calves like a horse. Yeah.

Rock horse, racehorse, rock band, wrestler, or fantasy team name? I mean, there's 130 ways to go, and I think a lot of them have been done already. I think the 4th Hanson Brother would be a great racehorse name. The 4th Hanson Brother? Yeah. I like it. Picky Nits. Wouldn't there have been more fighting...

with the Charlestown Chiefs pre-Hansen's. It's minor league hockey. Like everyone would have fought. They're bottom of the league though. Yeah, but they didn't have two goons on that team already? Yeah, it's like picking a fight with the Charlotte Hornets. I think Johnny's supposed to be the goon, but he's like the only guy who's wearing the helmet. Yeah. What do you have for picking hits? Because I have a bunch. So I guess this one's two hockey related ones. One, in the beginning of the movie, they really make it sound like Denis is this fucking hotshot goalie, but he's getting lit up.

And I was just like, is that just because the defense is bad, but they still think he's good as a keeper? I couldn't tell that. And then just like the just lack of sanctity around the trade deadline. How can Syracuse get five new guys for the championship game? But it did make me think, wouldn't it be cool if like the Pacers could just sign Kenyon Martin right now? Wow. Yeah. Can you do that in the NFL?

I think because, yeah, that's a 10 out of 10, right? NBA is very precious about that stuff. I was thinking a lot about the like Ringer 100 for minor league hockey circa 1977, you know, like our power rankings. Yeah, exactly. But Braden's like, we questioned his toughness. Hockey Kevin O'Connor's taking shots at him in the text. All my picking nits are oriented around what, I don't understand what Anita said

Cambridge is talking about with not wanting to sell the team. I think she's like, it's easier for me to do a tax write-off of the team than it is for me to sell. Based on getting cash in hand for selling something? How does that make any sense? She's getting a tax write-off for folding a business? Isn't that like the whole thing? Why Warner Brothers is like, it's easier for us to not put this movie out than it is to take... Tax purposes. You get to take the losses.

For a professional sports team? You offset the wins in your... For a hot professional sports team? Guys. Yeah, but how hot was it? It's fucking federal league. It's not like it's like Barcelona. So you guys are big McCambridge then. You're in the pocket of big McCambridge. You think she had a good call? I think she sure sold the team and done a big puff piece about how she saved the Chiefs. Like that was clearly the move. Dickie Dunn is just like the woman who saved Charleston. Yeah. I also have some doubts about...

McGrath's claim that there are scouts from the NHL there with contracts in their pockets. Not sure I bought that. There might have been one. It is great when Newman's like, did you say scouts? He's like 42 years old. Being the shit out of people, yeah. I think the hockey scenes in this movie are excellent. I don't love the Hanrahan scene only because Reg...

I'm not sure what's going on in that part of the game, but he's just like kind of standing in place for certain points. Yeah, he's just like skating back and forth. He's just skating over and stopping. Yeah. And just watching around. It's like I've never seen a hockey player be able to do that. Yeah. Lindsey Krauss. What's Lily's accent exactly in this movie? Are they from St. Louis? Because she's got a Cardinals hat. She sounds Irish at one point. She has an unusual way of speaking in general. Yeah. So I don't really know what she was going for there.

she's just scrapping. Why should she give a shit? I think Reg and Lily's whole thing is a little bit unclear to me. The whole plan was just to kind of get Ned riled up by fucking with his marriage. That's why he needed to fight McCracken at the end. Yeah. He needed to finally dip into the testosterone. But I think there's also like an element of it where it's like

Kind of a small town, maybe like college campus where it's like, now I'm dating your ex-girlfriend. Like it just kind of happens like that. And it's like freak love, like end of the 70s. These guys are all... Let's play this out. Come over to your house. Hey, Phoebe, how's it going? Why don't you come over and stay with me for a while? But we're not like fighting in front of you and being like, I'm leaving this shit. And I'm like walking around cheating on her. But if you were, is it then I should do that? No, but I'm just saying if it was 1977 and we were living in a steel town...

I think the rules would be a little bit more fluid. Yeah. Interesting. Nitpick, can you really hide who owns a minor league hockey team? This would be such a mystery. You couldn't just go to the library and research this in 77? Well, there's a real communication slowdown that's on display in this movie where it's like, it's only like two days later that they learn about something from like a Dickie Dunn column. Right. You know, so it's like... You don't know how time is passing. Yeah. And also hockey players, are they really doing Freedom of Information Act requests? Yeah.

The Chiefs are drawing basically nobody to their games. The Hansons show up that first game and it's just complete sellout crowd going crazy for the Hansons. There's like a scene missing. You just told us there were nobody at the games. Then why is there everybody at the Hansons first game?

I mean, Dickie Dunn putting in work, you know, just writing those columns, getting us excited. Getting those fashion shows. And the Hansons don't play for like a week and a half, but they don't have practice. There's no practice for this team. There's no practice. They're on a long road trip.

Are they? I'm just picking this. Okay. Yeah. They don't see him once on the ice, just skating around. So the Hansons just don't play hockey for a week and a half. How do you think Woj or Jeff Passon or Shams or one of those guys like Schefter, like how would they sell the Hansons to America? You know, how would they convince us like hearing that the Hansons are discussing a $100 million extension with unknown owner of this team? I thought you were going with like the Hanson brothers, although they aren't

Elite prospects. If you put them with other great players, they really shine. If he plays with his dad, yeah. Why wasn't Ned in the WHA or NHL? They had 30 fucking professional teams that season. The WHA had 12 teams. The NHL had 18 teams. There's 600 players playing professional hockey. But of all the people there, Ned gets the NHL contract except he looks like a head case for doing a striptease.

But you think Ned goes to Minnesota with Reg. Yeah. This is what I want the sequel. The parade at the end, they're going through and there's Reg's ex-wife and she's just like, excuse me, I have to take a left turn. People lined up on the streets. She couldn't have taken a back road. She had to drive through the parade. Not sure I liked her. Auntie Francine. Wow.

I thought it was kind of a hero ball move by her. Just straight around the parade. I think it's like, you know what? Hockey's not the center of the universe. Like, I don't give a shit. I'm going to Long Island to open a salon. Yeah, good luck. I should probably cut my mom's hair. So what was the unfortunate Denny Pratt tragedy? I think it's like he made him paraplegic. I think it's an actual murder. Stick to the head, yeah. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. Probably prestige, right?

Would have wanted to have spent... I would just take a much longer version of this movie. Because you can't remake the movie. So if you're going to remake it, you got to make it as a TV show, I think. I think it's an untouchable. It's an untouchable, but I think after 47 years, you could mess with it. I'm trying to think of all black cast, how that would work. Yeah, we skipped the Van Lathan award for this one.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Eva Laughing, Ramon Raymond, eventually the Hanson Brothers the next time we do a movie, or Philip Baker Hall? Goddamn, hand for hand? I didn't know I was playing against Super Goalie. You're a regular Ken Dryden out there. And a motherfucking sexually fluid wife.

You better keep your hands off Suzanne or you're going away a long fucking time, big boy. You're looking right at me. The sexually fluid way. Wayne. Just one Oscar who gets it. Newman? Yeah. Yes. I think Nancy Dowd. Nancy Dowd. Good job. The script is really funny.

Probably unanswerable questions. How many years did Ned Braden play in the NHL? Blows his knee out, becomes a New England hockey coach. Coaches in New Hampshire. Like a Dartmouth or something. Goes back to New Hampshire to coach. What year did the Bradens get divorced? Did they make it out of the 70s? No. Is the Hansons' first game in the running for top three sports movie games you would have wanted to be in the house for? No.

Okay. Meaning at the arena. Yeah. Yeah, you're just like, I'm at a minor league hockey game. Yeah, I'm going to go see the Chiefs. And then the fucking Hansons come out. So is number one the Hoosiers game, the title game? I think number one is the natural because Roy Hobbs hits the pennant-winning homer and the lights explode. That's a great story. Yeah, but like you have to imagine like

only like you couldn't even have like a transistor radio probably back then so you'd just be like what happened is he bleeding what happened to this guy wow that's a really good question shit

I think the last time we did this, the answer, because we did this during the Teen Wolf game, when watching a guy turn into Teen Wolf is probably number one still. Yeah. It's like, what would you do that? I went to a high school basketball game and the guy turned into a werewolf. If there was some way to be. And they won by 20. It's hard to top that one. I was going to say like,

if you had to be serving 15 to 20 for manslaughter, you'd want to see the longest yard game, you know, if you just had to be in prison. That's also like, if there was some way to like finagle your way into the like, the field of dreams game where you get to see your dad, that would be sick. Like, that would be awesome. Yeah, that'd be good. Which Rocky fight?

Would you do three or four? I think the Russian. I wouldn't want to see Drago. You go to Russia. You go to the den of the lion. Yeah. But then you get locked in a Russian prison and you never leave. That's right. It turns into the second Bourne movie. Midnight Express. I thought you were going to say Eddie with Whoopi Goldberg. I haven't seen it. Dwayne Chinch is taking a charge from Larry Johnson to send the Knicks into the playoffs. You keep trying to make it seem like that's a Knicks movie. It's not a Knicks movie. We do not claim Eddie. It's a Knicks movie. You're wearing the uniforms the whole game. No.

Best double feature choice. What about all the right moves? Let's just stay in this city the whole time. Good one. Not Butch Cassidy or The Sting. You could do that too. Yeah, I had watched some episodes of Shorzy just because it's like an interesting extension. If you want to do a little George Roy Hill action, just go from right here to Garp.

Sure. Bang it out. George Ray Hill doubleheader. So you're excited about GARP. I feel like you've been teasing GARP for years. I like GARP the most out of anyone you guys know. Has Robin Williams been represented on the rewatchables? Yeah, we've done some Robin Williams. Maybe Mrs. Doubtfire? That was an episode, right? I love GARP, but GARP... Oh, of course. The problem is for GARP, we're going to have to read the book before we do GARP 2. So that's like more work. You're going to reread The World According to GARP? Yeah, that's one of the great books. Okay. I mean, that'll like the...

mainstream popular books that then turned into a movie. That's like on the short list. It's a famous, famous book. Robin Williams. I feel like we're, I think, I feel like we're forgetting what Robin Williams was. It was like a, he was a, I would, I honestly do Good Morning Vietnam just for like the opening DJ scenes. Hmm.

Jim Carrey is another one we haven't done enough of yet. I mean, the feed's going to end in like, I don't know, five months, but we have to have Jim Carrey month before it ends. I'm ready. I'm ready. Whenever you're ready. Do you know, I was flipping channels the other day and there was some movie on that Jim Carrey made where I think it's called Yes Man. Yes Man. Yeah. And Bradley Cooper's his best friend.

And then Zooey Deschanel is the love interest. And this movie came out in 2008 and made like solid money. And it was a movie I had no recollection of it ever happening. I think it's Peyton Reed is who directed that too, who made like the Ant-Man movies. What does he play in that movie? He's the guy who has to say yes to everything for a certain period of time. It's a movie they could just re-release now and be like, there's a new Jim Carrey Bradley Cooper movie. And people would be like, what? Yeah.

and not realize... That's a odd pairing, too. Their energies are very different. Like, Netflix should just get it and put Bradley Cooper and Jim Carrey in the box together. And they'll make those with AI in, like, five years. He had a run, though, where it was like he remade fun with Dick and Jane. He made The Grinch. He made a bunch of movies where you're like, didn't this come out already? What happened? Yeah, Mr. Popper's Penguins. Andy and Reg's a lot of nail work. What happened the next day? Well, we know they go to Minnesota. I think Reg eventually ends up as...

Being the lead hockey analyst for ESPN. He would be so good. He's like a Don Cherry type. He could have market corrected Barry Melrose. Yeah. He's just through the 80s, the Islanders winning four cups and then the Oilers, like he's just right there breaking it down for us. And it could have been Tony Romo.

or Chris Collins or Reggie Dunlop. Yeah. Maybe he gets like, he legs it out to be like fourth chair on spit and chiclets for a while. Yeah. I think he gets fired from ESPN in like 1991 for an incident with a PA. He gets a little handsy after a couple of drinks. Yeah. Comment about someone's son maybe. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you guys want from this movie? Got to do the leather suit just to see what it feels like. I feel like the foiled up gloves.

I would do the jacket. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I'd want for this movie. I'd love to see the Hanson glasses prescription. Lily's glass. One of the Hanson glasses would be good. I like Reggie's road jersey. The blue road jersey would be a great one. Do you like Ned and Lily's dog?

You know, it's interesting that that dog was female. It's like a twist because it looks like the biggest, most manly dog possible. And then it's like, oh, she's lying on your bed. I'm like, what? I don't know what dog that was, though. Was that a St. Bernard? No. It seemed like a St. Bernard crossed with another dog. That dog was gigantic. Those dogs are a lot of work, man. Huge dumps. I mean, just like horse dumps. Dog quarters.

Coach Finn's tackle word, best life lesson. Oh, what is it? Sounds like don't get that dog. All folk heroes start out as criminals. Oh, that's a good one. I was thinking just give the fans what they want.

Like how we're just doing bangers on the rewatchables and then the feed's going to die. Can you explain? What's up with you? What's with the sun setting and the feed? No, we're just, people are like, dude, we don't like rock bottom, let's do better movies. It's like, okay, I'm going to do all the best movies all in a row. What happened to you? Then we're going to run out. Just following your creative heart. No, we're going to run out. This is creative heart. He's the consummate artist. He'll walk away from something if it's not pure anymore, you know?

I'm just going to do great movies week after week. You have to reverse psychology it. So now we have to be like super pro-killing the feed. Oh, whatever. Oh, I see. Yeah. Who won the movie? Paul Newman. I agree. Paul Newman. I also agree. I think you could make a stealth case for hockey. What is hockey if Slapshot doesn't exist? That's a great question. Well, you read that every hockey player loves this movie. But wouldn't hockey be exactly the same?

It's almost like what are Italians without the Godfather?

It's like, but it is also like hockey seems to hang on. They don't have to constantly fight the representation of being in the organized. I don't know. It's just, it's, it's a sliding doors. Yeah. Cause you know, like it's like Wade Boggs used to drink 22 beers on a flight. It's like hockey held onto that for the longest of any major sport. It's still kind of has it. Yeah. You know, like not as much of the, the Neanderthal like bad language thing, but it's like, it's the sport where when you meet, like when you meet a professional hockey player, like,

That's just kind of a dude. Yeah. You know, he doesn't have like an entourage. It just feels like a way more normal interaction. Yeah, Rizzo is like, I fucking love the Kings. It's interesting about Slapshot. I should have said this at the top. Everyone who's ever played hockey has seen this movie. Like, there's no way they haven't, right? What other movie could you say that

about anybody who either plays or does the thing in the movie that it's a 100% I've seen the movie. Like right now there's some five-year-old kid in like freaking...

Moose Jaw, who's playing hockey. His dad is like, we're going to watch Slapshot tomorrow. And at some point, his dad is going to show him Slapshot because that's almost part of being a hockey player. Like, you learn how to skate, you play in the, whatever, the kids leagues, you move your way up and you see Slapshot. Like, those are the fucking checkpoints. Well, I bet for like this NBA era, I bet almost every single guy in the NBA is seen above the rim.

But I don't think it's like Slapshot. Slapshot's 100%. Do you think every living male porn star has seen Boogie Nights? No. No. I don't. Wow. It's tough. It's hard to hear. I was watching Boogie Nights last night. You're going to shut the feed down before we boogie again. We re-boogie? You know, Julianne Moore comes in when Jesse's talking to Don Cheadle's character, Buck. Yeah.

It's kind of a cock block by her. She's like, like, Jesse's kind of having a moment and she comes in and goes, can I borrow him for a second? And just like yanks it away. Yeah. I don't know. You observed it. Didn't really notice it until last night. There you go. See, these things keep revealing themselves. That's why they're rewatchable. They're rebooking. We did like three hours. Sean doesn't know about the Pulp Fiction plan. Oh my God. I'll tell you post podcast. But it's dark because there's a Pulp Fiction plan. There's like the specter that it's the end, you know?

No, that's not going to be the best one. Can I tell you something? I'm going to see Pulp Fiction on Sunday night at the New Beverly because it's the 30th anniversary of the Cannes premiere where it first came out when it first premiered. Wow. I'm really excited. New Beverly has been killing it with movies lately. Yeah, amazing program. Isn't Seas Pacers Sunday night?

Do you think that'll be games? Well, we're taping this during the Seltzpacer series. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, that's right. Because we're releasing this later. That won't be far enough in the series where Joe Mazzullo will realize he needs to go small. He was calling for timeouts last night. I was like, look at Joe. Freaking out.

freaking hopeless. That's it for Slapshot. He's starting to believe. We don't have Craig this week because Craig's in Africa, hopefully not getting mauled by a lion, but we do have Jesse Lopez. Thanks, Jesse. Thanks, Jesse. We'll be back next week with another really great, giant, famous movie on the Rewatchables.