‘Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
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You watching Loki, Bill? It's not on my list. Okay. We have a theme month, Van. We're here for the first movie of the theme month of November. What is the theme month? The theme month is... The Painted Man? Wait, this movie made... The Painted Man. The theme month is... Wait, this movie made how much money? A month. And we're starting off with Robin Hood. Prince of Thieves is next.

It was a time of tyrants. A time when the only way to uphold justice was to break the law. A time that made a hero into a legend. Kevin Costner is Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. Rated PG-13. Starts Friday, June 14th at a theater near you.

All right, guys. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. $48 million budget. Made $390.5 million worldwide. It was the second biggest movie in 1991. It was a movie that was critically...

Not reviled, but picked apart in a lot of ways. But the audiences loved it, and it lives on 30-plus years later. Van was just telling us, I've seen this dozens of times. I love this movie. It gets better every time. Do you believe that it was critically, kind of semi-reviled? I wasn't on what the critics were doing during that time. I would watch Siskel and Ebert, but other than that, I had no concept of what the critics were doing. This movie was so big in every way to me. So big on MTV, obviously, Bryan Adams,

Like, it was a McDonald's toy type of movie. Yeah. Posters everywhere. It was just such a huge... He was at the height of his powers. I have no concept for anyone who didn't dig it. And you love Bryan Adams and Lucasfilm.

Louisiana. It's like a big artist for you guys. That song was big. They tried to run it back with the Three Musketeers. Everything I do rang out. Yeah, it was a big deal. So I just have no concept of people who didn't dig it. I gotta be honest. You were more of a summer 69 Adams guy. That's right. I like a little bit more electric guitar going in mine. Yeah. I was surprised that you love this movie though. You do. You know what? I think it hits a lot. It checks a lot of boxes, especially for me, but especially for this podcast where it's big movie stars,

Pretty competently made. Couple sequences that you remember for the rest of your life. And, crucially...

Still this era where Entertainment Weekly gets like behind the scenes tell all the week it comes out where it's like, guess what? The director got fired when they were still editing. And guess what? Alan Rickman almost blew Kevin Costner off the screen. And so there's a real rich text here. But I mean, Van and I were just chatting before we were coming in and we were kind of bemoaning the state of contemporary blockbuster storytelling.

And I don't want to step on your anecdote, but one of the things that's so cool about this is that even though it's obviously the biggest movie star in the world at this point with Kevin Costner,

You can see the level of craft that goes all the way down, where they're just like, damn, you guys went to England and shot at Hadrian's Wall and there's castles and there's horse riding and there's archery and it feels real. It feels very tactile. It's closer to Raiders of the Lost Ark than it is to any contemporary blockbusters that we have. They committed. We're watching...

The Midnight Boys are over at the house yesterday and we're just going in and out of some of the most amazing nerd shit that you can do. We're literally watching stuff and then we're taking a break to play Spider-Man 2 on the PlayStation 5. And then we're going back to football and we're just doing it and Kalika's head is spinning with how she got herself in this situation. And I start watching this movie because I have to watch it for the rewatchables. And the first thing I go is, yo, man, they built that. They built that. They went there. Whatever...

However seriously you take the movie, they took it very seriously. They were making the defining Robin Hood tale of our times. And that comes across on the screen when you're watching it. You're in the middle of the adventure. 1938, 1973 were Robin Hood movies.

There's a 1976 semi Robin Hood movie. That's the two in 1991. The Connery one is the 76. Robin and Marion. Yeah. Yeah. Two in 1991, then 2010, 2018. They kind of rushed this one because there was another one going on at the same time.

That would have been a good theme. There was two movies that got rushed because there was a competitor and they were trying to make them. We get the pre Fontaine action going in there. Oh, pre Fontaine. That's my favorite double pre Fontaine pre Fontaine. And then without limits. Yeah. Like those, which side are you on? I can't remember the difference between them on the crude of side. Oh, you like the crude. Then the other one is Jared Leto. Yeah. The crude one is the better crude. It's better. Yeah. So one of the many reasons I love this movie as a rewatchable is it's so flawed.

And the biggest flaw in the movie is the biggest star in the movie. And he became the most polarizing person from this movie, Kevin Costner. It was a real talking point back then. It was like, yo man, Costner, what happened here? A rare miss. Costner's on this run from 87 to 92, No Way Out, Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, Dances with Wolves and Revenge. And he's just about to win all these Oscars and be good fellas for Dances with Wolves as he's making this.

This happens sometimes when you're a movie star and you're like, I'm the biggest star in the world. I can do anything. This is Ben Affleck doing Batman. Yeah.

And it's, he's finishing Dance of the Wolves. He's about to do JFK, right? He, he basically, or he finished JFK and he's about to do, finishing Dance of the Wolves. 10, like, I don't know, like 10 days later, he's on the set of Robin Hood. There's no rehearsals. And then, literally nothing. They're like, are you going to use an English accent? He's like, I don't know. I haven't figured it out. And they premiered this movie in New Orleans because Costner was shooting JFK in New Orleans, I think. It's,

It's a speed rush. Yeah. And it's a classic. This guy is flying so close to the sun. He's like, you know what, man? I'll grow my hair out a little bit. Give me some extensions. I'll figure out the accent on the fly. Is there going to be some sword fighting? Yeah. Give me a little tutorial. Archery? Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Do you care if my accent comes in and out there in the movie? It'll be fine, right? And he's just, I'm Kevin Costner. I can do this. Yeah.

And I kind of like that about the movie because it's kind of hilarious. No one's ever bet bigger on themselves than Kevin Costner. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe they have, but like Kevin Costner. Maybe Affleck. Affleck's in the finals with him, I feel like. Yeah, but Kevin Costner has routinely like taken it all. It's like he's got a little Coppola to him where he's like, I'm going to take all the credit I have in the bank and put it on Waterworld.

or I'm going to put it on. Or Wyatt Earp. Yeah, on Wyatt Earp. Yeah, the dances. Or this movie that's coming out, the two movies he's got coming out next year, Horizon, where he's basically leaving Yellowstone to make his own Westerns. Yeah. Well, it was the, you know, the Lawrence Kasdan quote on Kevin Costner. Remember when he dissed the shit out of him? He's like,

I think he should only work with his favorite actor, writer, producer, and director for the rest of his career. And that, of course, is Kevin Costner. Kevin likes to get an ISO in. And this is one hell of an ISO. But look, for me, at this time, poster...

Costner, flaming arrow coming towards the thing. He's Robin Hood. I'm in there. And they were onto something with this. You're right. It's a flawed rewatchable. It's very enjoyable. I could watch Alan Rickman all day long, all night long.

there are the bones of this movie are essentially like what Titanic wound up capitalizing on like the I would throw in Game of Thrones yeah but like no but even just the like deeply romantic yeah huge song character that you kind of know about but maybe don't know totally like we know the Titanic we don't know the people on it right but

Over the top villain. Over the top villain. It's like there are elements of it that I feel like... Star-crossed lovers that are trying to figure out a way to stay together. They had a little bit of the chemistry here. And they find their love through this intense chaos where they have to rely on one another. Yeah. She also is kind of a do-it-herself type of lady, but they kind of find it together. It's like, yeah, I get it.

Also some incredible unintentional comedy in this movie. That was one of the things I loved in the early 90s about this. Because first of all, as Chris pointed out, the buzz is already there that this might be a disaster. This was the era of the premier magazine and EW. I think they're like, it's much better than you would think for a movie that went through the issues it went through. Yeah, and that EW piece that comes out, really as the movie's coming out, the director is like,

Yeah, I'm out. I'm not going to the premiere. They locked me out of the editing room. Haven't talked to Costner. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm friends with Costner anymore. And it was a terrible experience. I'd like to move forward. And the movie isn't out yet. Yeah. I just remember being so hyped for it. Like, so pumped. I was going through a little bit of a Robin Hood phase. Because, like, Robin Hood...

I was curious about this. Yeah, I was going through a little bit of a Robin Hood phase. I had started to read Robin Hood stuff. And there are books about Robin Hood's kids and the people that were related to Robin Hood before I'm into it. And just right at this time, this is coming out. It was a very Robin Hood-y era because right after this, a couple of years later, I think, the guy who continuously beat the shit out of his wife in Sleeping with the Enemy. Patrick Bergen. Patrick Bergen. He becomes Robin Hood. Laura! Laura!

ah, like, fix the goddamn tiles. What a crazy son of a bitch. Like, he had to die, right? He's in the top 10 had to die people in all of movies. We did that one, right? We did it. Yeah. I was on it. Yeah. I just want to make sure I'm on it. Yeah, he had to die. It happens to me now where I'm like, we did that? Did we do that? Did I just talk to Van in the lobby about that or did we actually do a whole podcast? And it's almost as if

This movie came out and it was a big hit. So there was a rush of people saying, hey, we could actually do Robin Hood right. Like people want to see Robin Hood stuff. They want to see this type of English lore. But like we could do it right.

And still to this day, there have been a lot of adaptations of it. None of them have quite piqued people's interest to me like this one has. He's kind of like, it kind of reminds me of Superman where people don't feel like they can tell the story without telling the origins. So you have to have this sort of lead up to him becoming Robin Hood, robs from the rich to steal, robs from the rich to give to the poor kind of thing.

And the same thing happened with the Ridley Scott, Russell Crowe movie, where there's like 45 minutes of him on the Crusades before you even get back to England or something like that. There's like a kind of people get in their own way. It was like, what we want is this dude in Sherwood Forest with Maid Miriam, with Lil Jon and Will Scarlet robbing motherfuckers, not going out like. It's such a good point. We've done the Batman thing before. And I told people, I was like, yo, rest in peace to those people.

I don't need to see Bruce Wayne's. I don't need to see them get killed again. We get it. Yeah. Like we, we know what happened. Well, it's like when they have those music documentaries and they spend 30 minutes on the, somebody growing up and you're like, can you just get to the part where they got their first number one hit and started doing cocaine? Yeah. Did that happen? Uh, here's some of the stuff people wrote at the time. This is EW's own Gleiberman.

People are bound to say that Costner is upstaged by Rickman. The truth though, is that he's upstaged by nearly every actor who shares the scene with him. That's the thing that was written. Reynolds said, uh, the director, Kevin Reynolds, Kevin was pretty tired, meaning Costner and understandably so after dance with wolves, he did the best he could do. He threw himself completely into the character, even though there was no timeframe to assimilate the part.

That's basically like, yeah, Kevin kind of sucked. We didn't have enough rehearsal time. Kevin had a dead arm, but we threw him out there anyway. Ty Burr wrote for EW later that year about Costner. He's dismally out of place. A 1990s guy stranded in the 1190s. Doubters need only rent Robin Hood on a video double bill with Fandango to see how the actor has lately played against his strengths. You can almost feel the weight of stardom that descended in the intervening six years. I kind of like this about the movie because I see this movie as...

And we've talked about a lot, like the arc of a career and like when you make that one mistake or the movie you shouldn't have made or, oh man, I can't believe they did that one. And just Costner thinking he could just fly to England and just bang out Robin Hood in 10 weeks is insane. Yeah. Like most people would be like, hey, can you imagine Cruise? The amount of,

The amount of sword training he would have done in archery. It's not even the sword training. It's deciding what kind of guy this is. What kind of guy was Robin Hood in Costner's mind in this movie? I think he's basically Roy from Field of Dreams. I think he's like a good person who believes that other people are being taken advantage of and he is going to help them while in the process of avenging his father's death. And...

I always think about like when he finds out that Christian Slater, that Will Scarlett's his brother, he's like, I have a brother. I have a brother. And he's like hugging him and crying, doing the Kevin Costner, stirring up thing. And you're like, it's like, want to have a catch dad? And it's like, Oh, okay. That's the movie you wanted to make. Then there's like the punk rock. Like I'm like a little puckish, like annoying, rebellious Robin hood that pops up in the beginning of the movie.

But yeah, I don't know that they ever landed on, like, what are we doing here? So, what are we doing here? Charles Holmes is going to love to hear that. So, like, I feel like when they pitched this to him, they were like, yo, we got this movie. Don't even worry about it. We're going to make you look like the motherfucker. Yes. Because this is a hero film.

You know how many shots of him just being magnificent? When they think he's dead and he comes back out of the forest. Out of the thing. Yeah. The fire shot, the whole nine, a shot of his ass. Hey, ladies, we got some ass for you. He's like, literally, they did a Pamela Anderson scene with Kevin Costner where he's

wet getting out of the water baywatch style this is the sexiest strongest most heroic in the whole world and he was like i can't not do it right like i can't we're gonna give you don johnson's hair from season four miami vice like big flowing locks yeah with a little yarmulke in the back some bangs back there you can't say no you can't say no to that man like he and so he just got there and every

everybody, everyone has done this, I feel like, a lot of big stars. I don't want to say everyone, but he just tried to charm his way through a movie. He just wanted to charm his way through it. What are some other examples of that? Where somebody, because I do feel like Affleck, this happened with him a couple times, where he was just like, I just need to go and do Ben Affleck stuff. It feels like, basically every A-list actor has a couple of these. Yeah, where they just take one and they just kind of, they just, hey, I'm going to charm out, like Will Smith tried to do it in Hancock.

That's a good one. Like Will Smith trying to do the Hancock. Before Hancock is coming out, Hancock is like, everybody's talking about this movie and it's about an alcoholic superhero and this whole deal. And when you get to the film, Will is just...

Will in his way being curmudgeonly all the way through the film and he never really got to the center of it. Air Force One might be a good example of this because it's like, yeah, man, Harrison Ford, why don't you just play the president? But you can also kick ass. It's a president who could beat up terrorists on a plane. Is it tech religious to say Cruise in War of the Worlds? Well, that's a great movie, though. That's a really good movie. The movie is directed. Is Cruise good in it, though?

Uh, yeah. I think so. That movie is so fucking well made though. Like that movie is so well made that he almost didn't have to do that much. You probably don't like it because of the Yankees Red Sox stuff in the beginning of it. I didn't like that part. Harrison Ford in Air Force One is a good one where it just looks like he's like, Hey, can you wire? Can you wire my salary? I mean, I'm leaving the number of my account and just put that in directly. Yeah. So,

There's also movies that I think movie stars feel compelled, like, I have to take this choice. I have to make this choice. Like, I have to play. If given the opportunity, I need to play a Jedi or Robin Hood or Batman or the President or something. You know what I mean? Like, where it's just like, why not me? Yeah, he's not, at that point in his career, he's not going to be Batman. He's not going to be Superman. He's not going to be any of those big, heavy lore things that actors are riding on.

but he can be Robin Hood and he's not going to have to worry about like a tremendous amount of competition. Like Kevin Costner is Robin Hood is a big feather in the cap of your career. Is this a Matt Damon led legend of the bagger Vance when he didn't know how to play golf. He's like, I don't know how to play golf. They're like shootings in two weeks. Here's your golf coach. Is Robin Hood have any hold for you as like an idea as a character? Well, I was going to do this later for hottest take, but like,

They never really nailed it in a movie completely until The Wire. They nailed it with Omar. That's kind of what... And they really dive into it with Omar. And that was like when you mentioned how with Robin Hood, there's like you could have gone another 20 minutes with him just robbing people and then giving... That's kind of how I always saw Robin Hood as a kid. He's a swashbuckler. I don't need to know the history that proceeds. He wasn't doing it for him. He was doing it for everybody else. Yeah.

I don't know. They've never really... This is a funny thing where I can't think of another character where they're... It's basically like the concept around what their actions were is more famous than the character. So, like, the idea of robbing the rich to give to the poor is almost a bigger idea than Robin Hood. Yeah, like, what is he? Is he funny? Is he biting? Well, he's a mythological folklore figure. You know, it's like King Arthur. It's like, who knows? You know, the Band of Merry Men, all of these guys, they're like a...

like this counterculture type it depends on the way you envision it right yeah because either they're rebels or they're outcasts whatever with whatever point you're at do you have to put politics into this why is he robbing from the rich to give it to the given to the poor you know that he's from of noble blood so what made him turn his back on whatever is going on we don't find that out well i mean the move this movie eats around the edges of it

because number one, she describes who he is, but like we never know the Robin that was a bully and that was arrogant. Oh yeah. The first thing he does is like insanely selfless, right? So we never get a chance to know that. And then by the time he comes back, he is the underdog, like the entire film. So the,

Those are questions that are left unanswered here. You almost in your head, it's more like a Jamie Lannister, not as vicious, but kind of that same kind of attitude. It should almost be like he's from Boston. He's got a little, you think you're better than me. I'm going to take your money and give it to the poor. You think you're better than me? I know you, Robin. You went to Exeter. You think you're better than me, but you're not. So the troubled shoot thing, the latest they could start the movie was September 3rd.

And they had 10 weeks for pre-production and Costner arrived three days before filming was about to begin. So they couldn't do rehearsals. They were also recasting stuff, which we'll get to in a second. They barely had read-throughs. They were also filming like on location and it was too close to London's Heathrow airport. So jets would be flying and they would just have to stop scenes. And at some point they all became panicked that they weren't going to get this movie done. And they were racing against finishing it.

but for England's summer was over. So it would basically be raining every day, you know? And then as they're racing to finish near the end, the producers freak out because Alan Rickman is the star of the movie and Costner's not that good. And they're like, Oh my God, Rickman's like stealing this from Costner. We got to do something. And they, they boot up the director.

And they re-edit the movie. And nobody really knows how much they took out of Rickman. People seem to think they definitely took out a couple big scenes. So in the extended cut. Which I watched on accident. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. And they have a couple of extra Rickman and the witch scenes. Hilarious. Yeah.

And then there's like a, there's more Rickman in the extended cut. And you have to imagine. So basically, this is a fascinating thing is like they showed it to a focus group. And the focus group was like, this movie's awesome. We really enjoyed ourselves. And they were like, great. But the problem was, is that the reason that they loved it

was more because of Alan Rickman than it was Costner. Yeah, they're like, what's your number one thing that you loved about the movie? And they're like, Alan Rickman. And this is the weird Hollywood thing is you would think maybe they would be like, great, nice surprise, but everybody loves this movie, so let's just roll with it. And instead they're like, oh shit, now we have a Kevin Costner problem.

because he can't get up stage. How much is Kostner responsible for that? Because this was in a big dick-swinging superstar era. I think that's the thing. I think the climate has changed. Now, I think you make a movie and when you're watching The Dark Knight,

You go, okay, this is a Batman movie, but it's really not. Right. This is a Heath Ledger movie. This is a Heath Ledger doing a once-in-a-generational villain turn, right? So everybody comes and they appreciate it for that. That's a post-movie star era decision to make.

So you're saying early 90s, it was still... You're not taking Schwarzenegger's movie away from Schwarzenegger. Tom Cruise needs to get the girl. He's got to get his thing. You're not taking the Stallone movie from Stallone. And Kevin Costner is not going to go play Robin Hood and do this whole deal and then be upstaged by the second lead. This movie actually, and this whole story...

Makes me even respect Bruce Willis and Die Hard more because letting Rickman cook. Well, he lets Rickman cook, but he's also so charming that no one's like Alan Rickman stole the movie from Bruce Willis. Right. And it's like when you get into a pissing contest with somebody, you got to make sure you can win it. Yeah.

I don't care if CR steals the podcast from me every once in a while. We all win if CR wins. That's right. So they actually ended up locking Reynolds out and it turned into a whole thing. And he was really pissed about it after and was not shy about talking about it. Alan Rickman said,

So he's got this in Die Hard. Yeah. Like two of the biggest movies of like a 10 year span. He's probably one of the great screen villains ever just off these two movies. It's like having two Super Bowls. Yeah. Like the Giants. Yeah. Oh, thanks, Chris. Chris is feeling himself. He's eight and one.

Making Giants jokes. Yeah. I mean, it is kind of like that. It is kind of like that 2007, 2000, you know, he going up against the big undefeated. Rickman. Yeah. Rickman. And then he's like Eli Manning. Yeah. He's the Eli Manning of villains. He's just taking scouts. He's got, he's got Willis. He's got Costner. Who's next? Well, he's way more in control.

In Die Hard. Yeah. And in this movie, he's like, I'm fucking going for it. It is the perfect example of guys who are doing different movies. And it's kind of crucial that you only...

I think Nottingham and Robin come face to face once before they have the one where he cuts his face and then they meet again at the end of the film in a fight, but are never sharing dramatic or comic scenes together. So Rickman is like, my thing is I'm going to take this to you think it goes to 11. It goes to 15. And Costner's like, I'm playing like a normal guy who's like just trying to make things work out, you know, and like they're in completely different films.

I think that I enjoy the Alan Rickman movie more for rewatching, but I do sympathize with Costner's plight there. It's almost as if Rickman is trying to fuck over Kevin Costner. Like, Kevin Costner's character is not, like, English at all. Rickman is distinctly English with an English comedic sensibility with that sardonic sort of smirk in every single scene

killing people mocking them as they're dying but it's still funny he's a coked up gothic satan worshiper right I mean like he gets all the good lines every fucking thing that happens even the spoon bit which has gone on to be like cut your heart out with a spoon it's dull it'll hurt more like that whole thing is

Almost as if he goes, well, fucking nobody else is taking this shit seriously. I'm going to the next level. It's the Alan Rickman show. Well, it's even better than that because the script was apparently so bad, he got two buddies to help him... To punch it up. ...rewrite some of the lines and punch it up. See? Make it funnier for him. So I have a question for you. Yeah. This is part of our theme run here, and this is... What's the theme again? That made how much money? Sweet. That made how much money? You gotta, like, raise your voice. Do you think that the reason you're...

you you're even thinking of this movie in the theme is because of T2. No, I was thinking more. I wanted to do some big commercial movies that I liked, but then also did even better than I would have expected. Sure. And when I went back and I looked at the box office mojo for 1991 and T2 crushes T2 T2, uh, yeah, it's like 30% higher.

And T2, it's like you go see it and it's instant time with Stone Cold Classic. Robin Hood's going against City Slickers and Silence of the Lambs and Sleeping with the Enemy and The Addams Family and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2. It crushed everything. Secret of the Ooze. And it kind of won the summer. Secret of the Ooze. It did. Finish the title, baby. Ninja Rap. So this came out and then Terminator 2 came out a couple weeks later.

You guys don't remember. Of course you guys remember the absolute...

The anticipation for the movie was like at an all-time... This and T2, the combo. It was the arrow shot. Isn't the arrow shot was like the commercial or the trailer? The arrow shot was the commercial. They had the arrow, the two arrow shots. One where he split the arrow. And the camera's on the arrow. And the camera's on the arrow. I'm like, oh shit. And then the other one is the flaming arrow. I'm like, I'm there. And then you go and there was some...

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So Morgan Freeman's in this and he's really in it and he's not a hundred percent Morgan Freeman yet because Shawshank is still three years away and seven still four years away. He doesn't have that.

Morgan Freeman bump. This is easily the most commercial movie. I think he's been in at this point, but, and it's a role that seems like, oh, I feel bad for Morgan Freeman. He's like the, he's going to be the black guy in this. He's actually awesome in this movie and it's a really good part. Yeah. And he's another one who's just better than Costner. Now he does have at a BC's accent from Oz. I don't fully understand it.

And why nobody's trying to talk him out of it. But he's, oh yeah, it's true. I don't know what the accent would be. This is the first time I've ever seen a Moore depicted on screen. Yeah. Like this made me, this made me like,

go look up who the Moors were. Which is kind of sad. The Moors were a bunch of badass. And then this, and then True Romance comes right after this. Yeah, that has Moorish blood. Yeah. Well, not even... Not blood, yeah. Where he's talking about the Moors. I'm like, okay, the Moors are some badass. And so now, you know, get on to the Moors. But it was cool to see him. I knew him for some reason, though. He wasn't Morgan Freeman. He wasn't Laurie. He wasn't Laurie. Street Smart was like... This is not... Is this before or after Unforgiven? This is before. This is actually... He...

He's in Unforgiven. Costner gives him the script of Unforgiven on the set. And he's like, check this out. And Freeman goes to Eastwood and is like, can I play Ned? What's crazy though is, like his biggest weapon is his voice.

And they take his voice away and they give him Adebisi's accent. But it still kind of works. It works. Because it's Morgan Freeman. It's good. I wish he had more to do. I feel like he delivers the baby and they're like, we got to give Azim a win here. You know, like, what are we going to do? Well, they set it up nicely, though, where he's like, you've saved my life.

I'm going to save your life now. I've got you. I've got you. But I'm going to watch you get your ass kicked a lot. It's a funny bit. He did. Yeah. He delivers the baby to solve racism. It was like an early version of the help. And after that, racism never existed. Nah, it was done. It was over. We solved it in the 1100s. So he literally, like literally, Friar Tuck, shout out to Friar Tuck, literally looks at him and says, look, you're heathen. I hate you. Then all of a sudden he delivers the baby. Little white baby comes screaming out. Friar Tuck is like, come on, bring it over here. He's back in.

Yeah, he has some good moments and scenes. I wonder what he thought of the whole Costner experience. And it's like, man, this guy. Have we ever heard anything about Morgan's on-set demeanor? I've never heard anything about him other than pure professional gentleman. It seems like he used to go with the flow. I remember in the Shawshank research, like he did not like the director. He didn't like Darabont? And he was kind of surprised that that movie did well, but he did not like his experience.

But no, I haven't heard that much either. But they make the, his character is like a super cool character. He's got the telescope. He's the whole nine. Like he's, he's awesome. Um, he rips off a run where he becomes one of the most important actors in the nineties. Is that fair?

Yeah. I mean, let me certainly one of the most noteworthy, right? His like Morgan Freeman is kind of like one of those actors to where he might not be the lead, but if he's in the movie, it gives it like quality. Yeah. Yeah. It gives it a boost. Yeah. Like 93, 94, seeing his name made me feel better about going to check it out. Sure. So bonfire, the vanities, he was the judge, then Robin hood. Then I'm forgiven. Shawshank. He's an outbreak since seven.

Then he moves into that kind of kiss the girls, um, a style of hard rain, deep impact. He's just working a lot and he keeps going off all through the nineties, all the way through some of fears, but some of our fears, but yeah,

He has a couple checks in there. Late former career, though. I mean, he's got to be over 50 in this movie. And now narrates half of television. Right. How old do you think he was in this movie? Well, I was going to say, one of the reasons why, like... 1937. So he's 54 in this movie. He's my age. I'm fucking old. Wait a minute. Wait. He's 54 years old? How old is he now?

He's born in 1936. Yeah. Morgan Freeman is 86? Yeah, he's old. And he was in fucking Lioness? Wait, wait. Hold on for a second. Morgan Freeman is a late fucking bloomer. Morgan Freeman is 10 years older than Dennis Quaid? Is this a situation to where he's actually, he's been perpetually old for all time, but he's actually older than I thought he was? Well, no, he's even way old. He's 15 years old. But he's looked 40 forever, I feel like.

Right. Well, he got famously. Like, I think he was like a theater actor and stuff for a long time. He was 89. He had Gloria driving Miss Daisy and he had Lean on Me all in the same year. I'm going to tell you guys something right now. The fact that he is 54 in this movie is so fucking inspiring to me. I mean, that's so inspiring to me. You know,

You would expect, you wouldn't think that 54 is when it would get started. You know what I mean? It's not really getting started. He was in the electric company in like the 70s, right? So he's been around for a long time. He was in that guy for a while in the late 70s, early 80s because he was in like Brubaker and a couple of those type of movies. And you're like, oh, that guy. So he was putting the work in. Yeah. Almost like Sam. Sam broke a little late too, right? Yeah. Yeah.

The theme song, Everything I Do, I Do It For You, was nominated for an Academy Award and won the Grammy Award for Best Song Written for Visual Media. How many weeks was it? Number one? 14 weeks. God damn. And it fucking felt that way. As a kid, you could not breathe without that song being on. How many weddings do you think?

At the time, like... No, I mean, like, over the next 20 years, how many weddings was that the first dance song? And now let's introduce the groom and the bride! And then it was like... It was that and the Armageddon theme song by Aerosmith. Yeah, and it pretty much runs the block until My Heart Will Go On comes out. And also, you'd hear, like, a...

You'd just be in the mall somewhere and you wouldn't actually hear the song. You'd hear like... The Muzak version. The Muzak version of it. Yeah, you'd be in like JCPenney and it would be playing like that. Everybody like loved the record. And it fucking ruined... Well, I guess it was more VH1 at the time, but it really like... You'd be like, I got to stay home and watch cable today. And then it would just be like Bryan Adams all day long.

But you, summer of 69, though. You were with him ever since then. But remember they tried to, because Three Musketeers comes out, I said this before, it comes out a couple of years later and they try to redo it. Yeah. It was, but this time it was, they triple teamed it. They ran a train on the song. It was, it was, it was Brian Adams'

Who was it? It was Bryan Adams. Was it Sting involved? Sting. Yeah. And then it was, they tried to add another one. It was the All for Love 3. Rod Stewart. Yeah. That song was awful. Yeah. That one sucked. It didn't work. The movie didn't work either. Yeah. All for Love. You're right. Roger Ebert, two stars. He said it was murky, unfocused, violent, and depressing version of the classic story. Yeah.

Raj got triggered by this. He was like, I can't believe children are going to see such a violent film. And it's like, Raj, kids are watching The Raid now. Then he wrote another piece after where he said, I thought it was jury-breaking, too violent, lacking in magic. I still do not quite understand how a legend so filled with enchantment and lighthearted heroism could be transformed into a movie only marginally more upbeat than The Doors. God.

Will Hollywood learn a lesson from this film? Will it stop rushing half-baked projects into production in order to meet deadlines with disaster? I doubt it. But I think it will be a long while before Kevin Costner allows himself to be bamboozled into another one of these flim flams. God damn. He's talking about the MCU right there. He really, really was upset. Well, this kind of foreshadowed where the MCU would go or just like, hey man, want to put on a suit?

And it's also like, hey, we have a release date. You got to make a move. Yeah, be there in two weeks. Do you think he'd work out? He needs some HGH. What do you need? Oh, he didn't work out. Costner didn't. Nah. He was take me as I am Robin Hood.

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When he puts his hand down on the stump, he's like, this is English courage. Yeah. But sounds like he's from Modesto. Yeah. You're like, fucking Houston, we have a problem. This is not going to go well in the accent department. His accent, and Freeman's like, here's my accent. It's like, oh, we're off. We're having an accent competition. It's a key party, but for accents. You saved my life. Now you're stuck with me. Our way lies together with the speed of Allah. What?

You have saved my life, Gretchen. I will stay with you until I have saved yours. That is my vow. Thanks, but I go to England. I relieve you of your obligation. Only a lark can do that. I had this later for what's aged the best. I love movies like this where they take the star and they just throw a crazy wig and like a crazy beard. Seagal is the best one ever. Seagal and...

What was the one? Heart to Kill. Heart to Kill. Yeah. When he's in a coma for seven years. It's when he's in a coma. Yeah. He's in a coma and they just put this wig on him. Is that the one where Kelly LeBrock heals him with acupuncture? That's the funniest one. She comes over, remember? Yeah, she looks at his cock. No, wait, wait, wait. She lifts the sheet up and it was like, there's my guy. Wait, but wasn't there a scene in that one? And you guys, and maybe I...

You just destroyed it. She does. You just destroyed it. Sometimes you just fucking like the 1980s Boston guy just fucking jumps out at you and you're just like, hey, she looked at his cock. She looked at his cock. You see that movie, Kelly LeBrock? Sorry. Like you forget where you are. Wasn't that the movie, and maybe I made this up in my mind, where she comes over to him and he's in the bed and she goes,

Hey, I just wanted to give you a little pussy And then she actually has like a cat Yeah We used to make incredible things in this country The sexual tension with the coma patient was really unprecedented We used to really care about the stories we told You know This scene's a really fun way to start a movie I wrote down Costner saves a little kid I wrote down Robin wins over little John Well, best man You leave this rabble Yes, I do, mate

Yeah, that's one of my favorites right there. Good one. The poor fate? Yeah.

I wrote down Costner shoots an arrow in Will's hand and then gives an inspiring speech with three different accents. He's English. Then he's from like the Valley. Then he's from Bay Area. He's just all over the place. The Rickman on fire when he does that. Just a minute. Just a minute. Robin Hood steals money from my pocket, forcing me to hurt the public. And they love him for it.

That's it. Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans. No more merciful beheadings. And call off Christmas. He's just going for it. Is that the cancel Christmas speech? Yeah. Lepers and orphans.

You know, I got to say, the last like 45 minutes of this movie is banging. That's what I... I have the hanging as my... Yeah, the big fight scene. Robin saves the day and ruins the wedding. Actually, the movie is really good. Yeah. The sword fight's good. Connery coming in at the end. Like the last 45 minutes is like elite. Yeah. I have... I don't mean to step on what's aged the best, but one of my favorite things is when...

they do the model of the fight that they're about to have. So they're like, and you're going to stand here and then you're going to come through here and then you get to the actual fight. And you're like, that is, that's what they had in the model. Like, this is really cool. Like they actually did it. And so when you watch the final fight sequence, like Shane Steichen doing a five receiver offense, that's right. It's like, you're like, Oh my God, this is, they've actually designed this so that I know where everybody is. And yeah, it's good. You,

Because this movie, the first two thirds, it's a little slow. It's a little cumbersome. Definitely could be edited. And there's like multiple pee breaks. But when you get to the last third, especially from a cable standpoint, it's like, oh, they're about to. He's going to do the hang. Yeah, it's like, it's great. I like when the Celtics come to play an away game and they destroy the village. Your people, Bill.

And when I felt like this is a dig. You mean the Celts? No, it's the Celts. He's calling himself. They're Celtics. They're the Celtics. They got Porzingis. They got Porzingis out there. Do you think that the people who saw the Celts coming to destroy them were like, man, this is the best five-man lineup since Shaq and Kobe? KD and Curry. But I love that part because it's like they win, but then he goes, oh my God. And then the fire comes in. Another part.

is when Marion comes down to see him bathing. She is the horniest woman that has ever existed. She's like arrested with horny.

She's like her whole life. You should assume Robin Hood's like a human tripod. She's like, oh my God. Should we invent a new award that's the Kelly LeBrock looking under the sheets award for the horniest woman? We should for the horniest woman. Because women's horniness gets downplayed in movies. Everyone is talking around her. But she's so focused.

on his butt. That is a good scene. Yeah. Don't slut shame Lady Marion, man. I like it. She's like, look at Robin. Jesus Christ. You didn't tell me he was bathing. First of all, totally inappropriate. Like, turn around and let this man get out the water. But not her. She's looking right there.

And then Connery at the end is just an unexpected bonus. And honestly, it was like a fucking shocking cameo. I was like, that's that guy. That's fucking James Bond. This is what we used to, now it happens in the Marvel universe, I guess. But this is what used to happen in the early 90s where they would stack these movies. And it's like, you know what? Fucking Sean Connery. Here's 250 grand. Can you show up for one day?

Remember when Robards shows up at the end of Crimson Tide? Oh, yeah. It's Robards! Just out of nowhere. Yeah. Just as one of the guys. And you're like, oh, shit, I know that guy. The firm has a little of that, too. This was the era of, like, they just had money to give to everybody to be, like, the ninth lead in the movie. And when he pops out, just real quick,

That is so well cast because he is ridiculously old, kingly, handsome. It's Sean Connery. He's talking. And he's got the accent. And it also really helps because like in the movie and in mythology, I guess, like King Richard is the reason they're doing all this. That's the reason they do it in the crusade. And that's the reason why they're fighting against Nottingham in the first place. So if it comes back and it's just like, and it's,

It's Eric Idle or whoever it would be. Like whoever it is. Yeah, it would be. It's great that it's like somebody who's one of the biggest movie stars ever. What do you got for most rewatchable? The hanging. What do you got? I had the end, the hanging part. And then I had my favorite scene of the movie, for whatever reason, is when Robin meets Lil Jon and they're fighting in the water. Like that's my favorite scene. The hanging scene I love so much is like also like

The things that come up that make it like more dramatic. So like when they, he's like, all right, all he has to do is he's going to shoot this like miracle Olympic archer shot to knock all the ropes out. But then they put Will down on the TNT so he can't really shoot where he wants to shoot. Yep. And he has to like do all this stuff to get the right angle and it's good stuff.

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To learn more. Woodstage the best. Great theme music in this movie. Michael Kamen. Yeah. Really good. Like high end. I feel like it's been stolen in other movies, but I don't. It definitely feels. It's one of those movie theme soundtracks that just feels familiar. I feel like they let it rock during golf tournaments now. It's just one of those great ones. This movie does a really good job of.

portraying medieval England? Like, you know, the teeth, not a lot of toothpaste. Oh, the fact that everybody looks totally fucked up. And that also actually... Not a lot of toothpaste back in the 1100s. Works thematically because Marion...

Looks beautiful right in this movie and she also looks like the only person that has access to like dentistry Like she looks perfect. She looks like she could step off clean dirty and muddy Angelic Chris where do you stand on heroes killing bad guys with a bow and arrow? I'm very pro feel like that should come back. Yeah, I like bow and arrow like our murders are good Yeah, they're good action things

We mentioned crazy hair beard situations from A-list stars that are clearly a wig and a fake beard. Great stuff. Robin Hood, Med and Tights, I have as an age the best. I haven't watched that. They basically made this as a response to this movie. And it just was a nice little addendum. I would, well, I was going to recommend that as the double feature for this. How about Loxley, I'm going to cut your heart out with a spoon. Oh my God. Improvised. Yeah. Loxley!

I'm gonna cut your heart out with a spoon. Then it begins. Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe? Because it's dull, you twit. It'll hurt more. So was you my room 1030 tonight, you my room 1045, bring a friend, also improvised.

Silly outdoor movies with kind of shaky special effects. I'm pro. That's what staged it best for me. Now I feel like they would CGI all of this. This was like, they're just fighting through it. There's only one clear CGI. Or they would have shot this in Romania or something. He gets off of the boat when he gets back and he gets down there.

And this is so weird. And he's grabbing the sand and whatever. He's home, right? But he's actually grabbing the sand and he's actually super wet. So you're like, this actor had to go through just a little discomfort to make this scene feel real. I think that's actually Cliffs of Dover. I think they shot there. Yeah. So it's like... So another one's aged the best. Morgan Creek is the production company. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the production company late 80s Chris Ryan would have worked for.

This is what they ripped off over like an eight-year run. Young Guns, Major League, Young Guns 2, Exorcist 3, Pacific Heights, Robin Hood, Free Jacks, Last of the Mohicans, True Romance, Ace Ventura, Major League 2,

That's really it. That was, I would have had, that's a great, as a development executive at Morgan Creek, I would have just had a crippling drug problem at a portion bought entirely on credit. And you're like young guns three. Yeah. Can we get Lou diamond? A prequel Billy's teenage years. Um,

What else do you have for what's the best? I love when characters at the end of the movie face off against their mirror image on the bad guy side. So it's like a Zim versus the witch friar tug versus the Bishop Robin versus the sheriff. Like just great to have that symmetry. Um,

We just got to get back to two guys fighting and then becoming homies because they respect each other in the ring so much. So I love, like, the pole fight on the river and then him just being like, I misjudged you. You can be my leader now. Yeah, come over here. Take... I was the man. Yeah.

I have no ego about it. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this in NBA terms. Has this ever happened? I was the man. All of these people listen to me. Best man of the woods. You fuck me over with the pole, you got it, Robin. This is now your entire thing. Fuck my wife if you want to, too. This is what Embiid's going to do with Kelly Oubre soon. He's going to be like, you're the man. You're the man. Pretty motherfucker. And then the last one is just, I love a training montage of getting ready for the assault. So like, this is...

Seven Samurai Magnificent Seven stuff but like as they like sharpen weapons and learn how to do archery and build all the like traps that they're gonna have it's always enjoy that them building out their lair in the woods is like really amazing and having like all the elevators and shit the whole nine the technology um what's Asia best for me Kevin Costner on horseback

Kevin Costner loves himself a horse in a movie. Think about how many movies he's done that are just straight up horse movies. He likes to ride around. He loves to ride a horse in a movie. And now, riding a horse is like his entire personality. I feel like he left Yellowstone to ride more horses in Horizon. He's like, there's not enough horses in Yellowstone. Gotta ride more horses. Kevin Costner on Horseman. He probably looked into CGI-ing himself to be a jockey in a secretariat movie.

5'2 Kevin Costner can we remake Seabiscuit hang it in that um Robin from the rich age pretty well it's what we should all be doing so if you know any rich guys out there I'd like to take some money off of them that's it for you what's age your best anything else no no no that's it that's it that's it like I have one extra one what I like the era when people introduce other people as their first name then they're from oh yeah

Like it's like, I'm here with Van from Baton Rouge and Chris from Philadelphia. I'll fuck with that. Yeah. Robin of Loxley. I think that needs to come back. Chris of Fairmount. Yeah. Yeah. That needs to come back. Van of Gardeer. Like that's like, that's a, I like that. This podcast was produced by Craig from the Bay.

That's how people still like send emails to like podcasts and radio shows. It's always like Nick from Memphis. Yeah. Right. That's the last place that exists. Except for Priscilla fans are like Nick, but I lift this. Nick, me, I play like Bruce Brown. I'm about five 11 stocky. I like, uh, when Robin hood says nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.

Kind of the principle of the movie. You guys didn't watch this movie and the movie's filled with bars? Oh, yeah. The movie's got some crazy bars, and it's actually, from a dialogue perspective, a really well-written script, some good monologues in there and all kinds of shit. It's a which is the best and the worst, but did I rob you in another life? Well, Scarlett, we have brothers, Robin and Loxley. I found myself daring to believe in you, and then...

When Costner goes into that late 80s Costner, I have a brother. It's funny. It's bad. It's good. There's great lines. Like when, when Azeem is like, uh, the hospitality in this country is as warm as the weather. As warm as the weather. He's like, how did you, how did you he didn't ever take Jerusalem? Like when he, when he, when he's looking at this up some good lines in this movie. He's good.

The Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. Gotta go Brian, right? Yeah. Yeah, Robin says goodbye to Mary and she's getting on the boat and they put in a little instrumental, Brian. Mm-hmm. To like the little heart tuggers. Came and gets the orchestra to fire up some Brian Adams. Everybody was waiting for it, too. Then she turns back, takes one more long, lusty look at him. Mm-hmm. Whole saddle, moist. She's like, oh man, still thinking about that waterfall. She's in the rock zone. Yeah.

Chris, did you have Big Kahuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink Material? Friar Tuck's Mead. Oh, yeah. That's an easy one. Yeah. Yeah. Den of Thieves, Benihana Award, Scene Stealing Locations. Got to be The Waterfall. You know what? I got to say, I love The Cliffs of Dover. Yeah. Oh. It's good, too. Okay. CR, what'd you have for Great Shot Gordo Award for Most Cinematic Shot? It's fucking Arrow Vision. What are we talking about here? It's Arrow Vision. For a second, I thought it was going to be

his resurrection shadow in the mist scene. Yeah. But then when the arrow comes through and the arrows come in, that is a superhero fucking movie star shot. Slow-mo, Kostner arrow coming straight out of his blue eyes. That's like a, that's one of the defining action movie scenes of the decade. I totally agree. Yeah. And also like an awesome, awesome, awesome in the movie theater scene. Right. Whoa, how'd that do that? Because we also had Terminator a couple weeks later.

Which was the ultimate, how did they do that movie in the 90s. But even that arrow thing was like, whoa. It became a talking point. The non-arrow version, Great Shot Gordo I had was, it's really small, but it's just when he's like, I'm going to cut your heart out with a spoon. And they shoot up the tower. And Robin's like, then it begins. And he dips out. I like that a lot. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I mean, we talked about it, but the cost there.

Even when Connery comes in at the end and he just sounds like somebody who's going to be from that area of the world. And it just puts a big shining spotlight on Costner, not even making an effort to sound like it. And I'm glad he didn't because he's pretty bad at accents for the most part. What was the one he did? What was the one, uh, the, the cold war movie?

When he had the bad Boston accent. Was that in 13 Days? 13 Days. Oh, yeah, about the Cuban Missile Crusts. Baldy and Jack. Really rough Boston accent. The JFK accident. The New Orleans. I don't know if you can speak for New Orleans. Pretty rough. Yeah, it didn't really hit it. But, I mean, it's, you know. He's no Eric Roberts in Heaven's Prisoners. He nailed it.

That's a good look. You tell me when you're ready. It's not going to be this month because that movie did not make a lot of money. That movie is that movie. That's a Louisiana. That's a couple of people in the LeBrock zone for that movie. Oh, yeah. The whole movie is the LeBrock zone. Do we have enough movies? That's one of the horniest movies that's ever been made. Oh, yeah. Do we have enough movies for Louisiana month?

Um, yeah, for sure. You got your heart. Heaven's prisoners. Big, easy. If you like it easy. That's a great one. Yeah. Like there, you know, Louisiana month would go hard. Like there's some sweaty. Yeah. Good times to be had down here. Uh, what's aged the worst. I mean,

The rape's pretty rough. It was rough in the early 90s or the near rape of mid-Marion. Well, you just shocked the shit out of me. I'm not going to lie. He splits the legs and it's like, whoa! For this movie's like PG or PG-13. It's the end of the movie too. You're like, we're supposed to be a... He's like kind of going for it there for like a minute. They played it comedically. I know. That's the thing. I think before, the way that's shot, it's shot as if that's supposed to make people laugh. And I think that's...

That time it probably did. Because he's still playing it for laughs. Yeah. Trust me, even in the early 90s, people were like, whoa, hey guys, come on. I think they're trying to make the point that he's trying to establish his bloodline with her. Like, I get it. But this is not a rated R movie. It's pretty rough. It is, for sure. Yeah, I was surprised by that. I had forgotten about that. Costner's hair. I don't know really what's going on with it. Do you think there are extensions?

I think he probably can. I think that's dances with wolves hair. Yeah. It was the same haircut. Yeah. His neck is weird in this movie. He's got a weird neck. It's not like the best looking version of Costner. He's like, look at the neck. The neck is like, you know, I've never noticed it. There's a lot of accent reporting about this movie where Costner wanted one and Reynolds didn't. And they just kept fighting about it during the movie. That's why it goes in and out. Um, Costner has a nude swim stunt double.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. One of the all-time chicken shit movies. You can really see it, too. If you really look closely, it's like the ultimate warrior comes in for two seconds. And they were like, they say it's because, you know, they didn't want their star of their movie to get hypothermia. Yeah, because they said it was so cool. You think about what hypothermia does to your package. Yeah. I just think he didn't want to be standing in front of a bunch of teamsters. You know? I just wrote down here, and I'm not going to defend it, and I don't feel great about it. Yeah.

John's wife could have been a little cuter. Just going to throw that out there. I get it. I get it. We're in 1100 England. It's a movie. Can I escape a little bit? A little bit of escape? Not only are we in 1100 England, they live in the woods. She's had eight children. But you're like, was LeBrock not available? Where's Helen Mirren? Give Helen Mirren some bad teeth and we're off. The, uh,

The other Robin Hood is a what's aged the worst. It grossed 23 million. They should just had him be like evil sleeping with the enemy Robin Hood. That would be so good. It would have been better. Any other what's aged the worst? I got to say this is a giant fucking waste of Christian Slater.

Yeah. And he's super charming. I was wondering when we were going to talk about this. I had this at Picking Nets. He's like, this is not exactly like bad era for him. I mean, this is not that far removed from Heathers, right? Like we got a pretty charismatic actor. I would say he's one of the hottest under 25 actors. I was wondering watching it. I was wondering why he took it. And they have the whole movie he spends being like,

You're a liar. Nobody likes you. Even though everybody's like, this guy is the fucking man. Yeah. And then the very last time he's in the movie, basically, is when he does the fuck me, they cleared it. And that's improv. That was ad-libbed by him. And it's very charming. And I'm like, why wasn't this guy just in the whole movie? The shit-talking, like, daredevil Will Scarlet. He had to, he was harboring this, like,

soul-crushing secret that it made him maybe the biggest drag of any movie. It kind of reminds me of when they make Jeremy Renner like

under the spell of in Avengers where you're like you got Jeremy Renner and you got him as a zombie and the whole time he's walking around and it's like he's fucking up it's like oh when is he gonna snap out of it Avengers the movie yeah I was sitting in the 1100s I saw the confusion on his eyes that's why I only looked at you when I said it and I was like it's a good comparison is that the one with Christian Bale at the end of the movie

Like he looks like he's having fun. I wonder why he took it. It seems like because he was already. It gets worse when you look. Heather's an 88 gleaming the cube at 89. I love that fucking. He's in Young Guns 2 and Pump Up the Volume in 90. I would say podcasting Pump Up the Volume. You would say he was like red hot. Yeah. And then I don't know. He must have thought I'll be in this Robin Hood movie. Well, maybe when you think about it, though, when you go look back at those movies, I was of a certain age. So all those movies like meant a lot. But.

I mean, Young Guns 2, I'm sure did a huge business. But even in that one, he's like Dave Rudabaugh. So he's like third, fourth down the line. Yeah. It wasn't until 93 that he does Untamed Heart and True Romance. He probably wanted to kind of step up to another level of filmmaking, you know? I also got to say, one of my what's aged the worst is Life Before the Postal Service.

Because Robin comes back to England after being in the Crusades and in prison for five years and then just finds out that his dad's dead. Dad's dead. Castle burned to the ground. Can't get a telegram. Can't get an email. Bad Wi-Fi in the castle. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't know if you need Prince of Thieves, but it was pretty good. Prince of Thieves was kind of like 90s cool. Not just Robin Hood. They might have did that to differentiate it between the other Robin Hood movie that was coming out. Sure.

What about Robin Hood? Marion wants some. Robin Hood. Barry needs it. Best quote. Azeem, a wise man once said, there are no perfect men in the world, only perfect intentions. There was bars all throughout the movie. The best quote is, because it's dull, you twit, it'll hurt more. Because it's dull. Let's take a break and I'm going to do Stephen A. Smith, How to Steak.

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I have one, but it's not like particularly Stephen A. I just think that the writing's on the wall for the sheriff when he shivs his own cousin. I just don't think that's a guy you can trust in the locker room. After he kills his own cousin for failing, it kind of like is like, well, who's your muscle now? And I just think that that's where the Nottingham sheriff goes out. But I don't think that's his particularly hot take. It's just an observation. Solid point.

My hottest take was that Azeem should have actually been leading the people. Oh, my God. Yeah, Azeem is definitely like... Azeem was coming up with the technology. Yeah. All right, Azeem had a telescope. He was the one who figured out how to save the baby. Didn't get enough credit. Didn't get enough credit, man. Didn't get enough credit. Mine is, I think Game of Thrones ripped off this entire movie. This guy.

And they were like, what if we just add some supernatural shit to Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves? It'll be awesome. Just make it get super weird. But same kind of premise. So people walking through forests, just saying weird shit to each other.

Right. The walking through forest piece is important. Yeah. And then like somebody's kidnapped somebody. I think there's a little bit of Tyrion in Rickman's performance or vice versa. And the wire is like, we're totally ripping off this Robin Hood thing. Yeah, David Simon was like, my principal inspiration is Robin Hood. He's like, they fucked up Robin Hood. We're going to correct this with Omar. Omar is the biggest hero of that. Yeah. He becomes the central character. Omar's the best Robin Hood ever. Maybe that's my hottest take.

Casting what ifs. Boy, Ben. Somebody has had to have made that take? You think I created the take? No, no, no. Like a Robin Hood that takes place in the south side of Chicago or in South Baton Rouge. I had that for later. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Casting what ifs. You better sit down even though you're sitting down. Let's do it. Mel Gibson said he was offered the lead but had just done Hamlet and passed. Hamlet and this is pretty much the same thing. Yeah. Robin Wright

was supposed to be made Marian and became pregnant with Sean Penn's child and bowed out at the very last minute. And they replaced her with Mary Elizabeth. One of the great names. Some other names kicked around for... Tony! You want to fuck me, Tony? You want to fuck me?

Just one of the weirdest fucking scenes ever, bro. There was a bunch of people who were rumored for Maid Marian. The most interesting was probably Nicole Kidman.

But there's also like... That's early Nicole Kidman, too. That would have been a good one. Patsy Kenseth. Yeah. Elizabeth Hurley. Yeah. In the mix. Elizabeth Hurley. Yeah. She was kicking around at that time as far as acting-wise and stuff? I had one for... When is she in Austin Powers? It's like mid-90s, right? No, no, no. I mean, I know she was... I'm just wondering what... I'm trying to think. I know she was around. She's a model. I'm trying to think what's the first thing I remember her being in.

Richard E. Grant was supposed to be the sheriff, but couldn't do it because he was doing Hudson Hawk. John Cleese was supposed to be King Richard or the proposed, but then Sean Connery, Sean Connery, Costner pushed for it and he reduced his $1 million fee down to a $250,000 donation.

I don't know if this is true, but Cary Elwes was offered the role and turned it down, but then ended up doing it in Men in Tights. I have a hard time believing that Cary Elwes was like, I don't want to be in Robin Hood. Yeah, me too. I don't know if I believe that one. Although he kind of has played him in Princess Bride, but still. Did you believe Johnny Depp turned down the role of Will Scarlet? That one didn't pass the smell test for me either. What was Depp doing in the early 90s? I feel like things were happening for him by 91. I don't see it.

I'm trying to think where Johnny Depp was. He would have been better as Will Scarlet. Yeah. So I have for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award and the Judd Nelson New Jack City award for somebody's in the wrong movie. Alan Rickman. Yeah. I mean, I think that Rickman may be so far off menu here that we have to add Rickman to the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge. It might need to be Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge nodding. I'm happy to add him. Okay.

Who'd you have for best that guy? I had Brian Blessed who plays Robin's dad. He's in a ton of stuff. I had Kevin McBride. Okay. Who was Kevin McBride? It's one of those guys. Okay, well there you go. Who'd you have for Dan Waiters? The Waiters was tough. I had the witch. I had fucking Sean Connery. Oh, you know what? Oh yeah, it's definitely Sean Connery. You're right. Yeah, I had the witch and I had Sean Connery. I had two. The witch is just like... Yeah, we haven't really talked the witch. Where are you at on the witch? I don't like witches like that.

I don't like ugly witches. Yeah? Yeah, they freak me out. Yeah? I didn't like it on Game of Thrones either. So you didn't watch the extended cut. Did you read about it at all? Do you know that Nottingham is her daughter? Is his daughter. Yeah. Is her daughter. Son. Jesus Christ. Connery's a great DM waiters. Recasting couch. I'm going to throw two at you. Greta Scotchie for Marion. Okay. Always liked her. Val Kilmer for Robin Hood. Hmm.

I feel like he would have grabbed the accent. I'm just saying he does that instead of the doors. Or maybe he does it right after the doors. And just throws himself into it. You know what's crazy? I think he could have done it. You know what? He's... This is going to sound so stupid. He's weirdly too handsome.

He's like... More handsome than Koster? Yeah. More handsome than Kevin Koster looks in this movie. Val Kilmer is... He's like so angular, model-esque face. He's striking. He's so striking. Yeah, but he would have just gotten so lost in like what accent he wanted to do and like his method of doing it. That's what I would have enjoyed that though. I think that... I have a left field pitch here. Let's hear it. Which is Hugh Grant.

Who at this time isn't quite. So this is right before he's in four weddings, like a couple of years before and remains of the day is when like he kind of starts popping out. But like if you wanted somebody to be a rich boy prick, he would be my number one draft pick. It's just about whether or not he could convincingly be an archer and stuff.

after the fact. The crazy thing is... And if he had to go toe-to-toe with Rickman, he could kind of do it. The crazy thing is, it's a much better movie if he's in it because he's so talented, man. Hugh Grant is really talented. But it's not a hit. No, you're right. Yeah. It needs Costner. Van made the point that slow motion arrow...

It's 50% of why this movie made $400 million. Let me ask you guys something. What was the movie that Kevin Costner figured out how to be a movie star in? Because he has this movie star charisma. And he is great looking. I didn't mean to say that he wasn't great. But he has this movie star charisma that sometimes lets him just...

Float through a scene. Yeah. The bodyguard. We talked about it when we did the bodyguard. He's a real movie star. I wonder what the movie was. I think it's Untouchables. Oh, okay. But No Way Out was before Untouchables. No, it's the same year. So I don't know. Yeah. No, I could see it being Untouchables. Never stop fighting the fight till the fight's finished. Half-assed internet research.

There's a two disc special edition with 12 minutes of unreleased footage, which you can find on YouTube, which both of you did. Most of the songs the characters sing are actual medieval melodies. Apparently the Costner's horse during one scene reared and broke, pulled his neck up and broke his nose. Oh, shoot. Which feels like that should have been a bigger deal. I don't know how they fixed it. The shot of Robin shooting the arrow was 300 frames per second. The normal speed is 24 frames.

And they trimmed the attempted rape scene from the VHS video release in a couple places, including the UK, because there were complaints. I got one bit for you here. Well, I have the Arsenal. Nope. While filming in England, Kevin Costner became a fan of Arsenal and supports them to this day. How about that? I don't know if I believe that, but it looked great in Wikipedia. Yeah.

What do you got? This is from Reddit. This is from a Reddit user named WD409, so shout out to that person. They just fucking went nuts. Quote, people like to rag on Kevin Costner's accent in that movie, but as a scholar of medieval history, it doesn't bother me at all. Why? Because they wouldn't have spoken with English accents back then anyway.

In 12th century England, the nobility, such as Robin of Locksley, would have been speaking Norman French, while commoners would have spoken Middle English, also known as the language of Chaucer in the Canterbury Tales. Modern audiences can generally read Middle English reasonably well, despite the non-standard spelling,

But prior to the capital letters great vowel shift culminating in the 18th century, it still would have sounded totally unfamiliar. In short, it's no big deal that Costner doesn't have an English accent because back then nobody would have had an English accent.

Okay. Incredible research from Chris from Philadelphia. Love that. Chris from Philadelphia. The problem is, is Costner still meant to have an accent? That's the thing. If there'd have been one interview- Yes, that was not on purpose. Can you imagine the big dick moment if someone would have asked him about the interview and he'd have dropped all of that fucking knowledge right there? I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I was like, I get it.

He was accidentally accurate. Yeah. He was like, he fucked up and it turned out he was fine. So Vanna Batten-Reuss is on board. It's called being wrong right. Sometimes you're wrong, but you don't even know that you're right anyway. Apex Mountain. I only had a couple because I don't think this was Apex Mountain for really anybody. Archery? Yeah, I have bows and arrows in movies. Bows and arrows in movies. Although you can make an argument for the Hunger Games.

She was there are some good arrow stuff. She was that was her whole thing you you guys and this is gonna sound weird You guys don't think that you can make an argument that this is Alan Rickman's so Rickman was the other one I had yeah a bit you go diehard or for this, but you don't think this is Costner's Apex Mountain I said this well it's period of time So it's the most commercial movie he ever made and it's bookended by his Oscar triumph and arguably his best movie So I think dances with wolves him winning the Oscars. I

is his apex mountain. So I think it already happened. I think that moment happens with a film like that. Like, that happens...

such, that's so rare that a movie that's driven by one actor in that specific way happens like that for somebody. When you have like a Mel Gibson Braveheart or a Dancing with Wolves situation, that's almost the default, your apex mountain. Yeah. So maybe 1991 was his apex mountain because he wins all the Oscars that year. I mean, this becomes his most commercial movie ever made. Yeah. I will say this. It was downhill from this movie.

Bodyguard? Can you imagine? Perfect world. Yeah. This was the, you know, it was down. I mean, Kevin Costner is still a fantastic performer. Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing to Kevin Costner. But this was the, in the term, this was the peak. And this is the thing, is that we did this whole bit in the beginning about Kevin Reynolds getting locked out of this movie and everything. Kevin Reynolds gets asked by Kevin Costner, hey man, you want to try one more time, you and me? Let's dial something up together. And what is it? It's Waterworld. Waterworld.

So he has, he wins the Oscars, Robin hood, and then JFK and then bodyguard.

And then I think we move into a different phase. And then he kind of comes back with Tin Cup in 96. Oh, Tin Cup is great. But you know what? That was the I'm Not Dead Yet movie for him. I'm such a big fan. I love The Postman. And that's an objectively whack movie. Yeah. I love that movie. I kind of like The Postman too. I like Wyatt Earp. You know, Tombstone fucks over Wyatt Earp. But I like Wyatt Earp. So I like the shit that he was putting out. Picking its. Why did the sheriff...

Why Marion? What was it about Marion? She's the king's cousin. He has to get royal blood. Right. He's the king's cousin. This is the best avenue for that? What do you mean, Bill? There was nobody else? Big extended royal family? Marion or Bust? Everybody was at court. Remember earlier in the movie he asked, he was like,

you should probably move to London. She's like, I don't want to do life at court. So most of the other King's relatives were probably living life at court. She was hanging back because she wanted to give alms to the poor. Okay. And why didn't Will Scarlett tell Robin they were brothers sooner? I have that too. Just bring it up in the first 20 minutes of the movie. just be like, hey, fuck you, man, by the way. Why is this a reveal? What is this, Jerry Springer? This is the Maury Povich show? When everybody is like, we want to swear fuel to you, this guy, he could have just been like, yeah, man, fuck this guy. Hey,

A group of people who I've been living around my whole life. This is the motherfucker. Remember the motherfucker I was telling you about? This is my trauma. This is the guy that fucking fucked over me. Maybe we don't want him to build the tree houses because he's an asshole and so is his dad, devil worshiper.

Like, so why did you wait? And why did you wait and try to do it the sneaky way? Just fucking tell everybody. You're just a dick for like four weeks and then you're like, oh, by the way, we're brothers. And also the worst kind of dick where it's like people are trying to make a plan, try to figure some shit out and he's just like, you're a liar! This won't work! And you're like, fuck off, man. Maybe he's the weak link in the movie. Trying to talk to his girl, trying to give her a rose?

Get out of here, Will Scarlett. You just trying to hit on me. Yeah, you know that's Robin's girl. Yeah, like you trying to hit on me because of some shit I ain't had nothing to do with. What else do you have for pickin' hits? Is it my imagination or does Azeem say at one point in the beginning and beginning of the film when they first get to England,

And he's like, you must want to go back and see your family. And he's like, it's because I love my family so much that I have to fulfill my promise to you. That's good. And then like 10 minutes later, he's like, I have no family to return to. I have no family to return to. So Azeem's playing two hands there. I don't know what's going on. What if Azeem is Robin's other brother? What if...

Sir Loxley, Lord Loxley, took a trip to the Moorslands, like, way back in the day. What if it was his other brother? Azim's like, I'd like to play with Kawhi Leonard and Paul George and Russell Westbrook. I need to leave. What would you ask? I had one pick in it, and it was something that just jumped up in my face. So, like, remember when they're fighting on the thing, and Robin tells him to, like, put your feet down? Yeah. You can stand up?

You've been living there your whole life. You don't know how deep the fucking river is. You can't swim. You don't know how to swim. You never, you never swim. It's your forest. Why is this? I guess nobody ever gets far enough to knock him into the water. I guess not. Cause he's the man, but I just thought that's kind of stupid that he would tell you about the lake in your backyard. Yeah. You know, the entire land, no internet, other than just figure shit up. Um,

Does Freeman kind of disappear during this movie? After the... How long? It's basically like 40 minutes after he helps the baby. It's a borderline pick and knit. It's the second billing of the movie. Third billing of the movie? Yeah. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. Go ahead, man. Yo, I don't know. I can think of all the other ones. There's G, which is the black remake of the Great Gatsby, hip-hop Great Gatsby. Yeah. There's been a lot of ones.

Like a Robin Hood? There's never been a Robin in the hood. I can't think of one. You could actually have like a real sheriff. It could be the sheriff of Nottingham County or some shit like that, which it basically is now. You could actually have like a real sheriff. It could be Robin against crooked police. And the whole nine, Robin went to the war. He comes back to the war. The whole hood is full. That seems like they would have done that before.

You know? I feel like it's a theme that's been in different movies where somebody steals from the bad guys to make the bad guys even madder. You know what I mean? There's a whole situation. But nobody's ever, like, done it. It seems like. Well, Omar did it. I guess maybe. Antoine Foucault would have had that one.

Like, folks miss out. Well, doesn't Denzel, which equalizer, he kind of does that? He's protecting people, but he's not doling out money. In the first equalizer, he's, like, protecting the rest. No, it's the third equalizer. Second equalizer. Second equalizer, I thought he was giving out. Does he steal, though? No, he does steal. No, first equalizer, he's protecting, and he protects, like, the Mexican restaurant. And he gives, and remember, he gives the drug money away to the people when they're leaving? Right. Because he takes over the drug house. Yeah, so I guess it's kind of like that. Um...

My sequel prequel is my desire to see the famous spec script that got written like 15 years ago called Nottingham. That was supposed to be the story of Robin Hood from the sheriff's perspective.

And it was supposed to make the sheriff the hero. And this is the movie that Ridley Scott. And Robin Hood's like a prick? Yeah. And this is the movie that Ridley Scott was supposed to make. And instead he decided to change it into a Robin Hood movie. Why? Because he wanted more archery, apparently, among other things. But that movie would be so fucking amazing to see. I like when they do crazy shit like that.

There's a Marion kind of like softcore porn they could have made doing Netflix. Nah, I'm just trying. That's funny. It would be funny. Like the Emanuel series but with Marion. That's so funny because you know how that seems different? That's in the Marion softcore 11 p.m. Yeah. Like she takes her shit off right then and she just jumps to the water. I'm going to swim with Robin. Yeah, the whole night. And then everyone leaves them alone. Everybody leaves them alone. All of a sudden there's some waterfall. But then you have Marion's

It's going back and forth. Throbbing hood. Throbbing hood. Coming next week on Netflix. That probably exists. Throbbing hood probably exists. Craig's like, it probably exists. You never saw it before. It's not like Sherwood Forest isn't one of your Pornhub search terms. Marion.

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Buscemi, Sam Jackson, JT Welsh, or Philip Baker Hall? This is actually, I'm not ducking Wayne. I'm just saying, Sam Jackson as Azeem is absolutely fucking incredible. It's a looking glass, motherfucker!

I was also thinking he could have played Azeem's brother who comes in in the last 20 minutes. Remember when Sam would just come into movies for like a half hour? It's my long lost brother, Azeem. Just help out of nowhere. They're down and all of a sudden there's another painted man. And Azeem's like, that's my brother, Hakeem. I'm with you. Sam Jackson should have been in this. Just one Oscar, who gets it? Alan Rickman. Yeah. Probably unanswerable questions. Chris, you think this is around the same time in Game of Thrones, 1100s?

It was Game of Thrones earlier. Game of Thrones is the 1200s or the 1100s? Yeah, dragons come in later than... When do the dragons become a thing? Yo, Game of Thrones is not on Earth. No, Game of Thrones is the 1100s. It's like a fantasy world. It's a running bit. Oh, I see. I see, I see, I see. I asked this jokingly to Mallory once. And she almost had an aneurysm. Because I straight-faced it. I'm like, what was it, like 1100s? And she was just like...

Oh, and then I had, why can't we go back to identifying ourselves as our first name in the name? Any other unanswerables? Are we to understand that no one in England at this time has seen an explosion before? So like when Azeem blows up those barrels, because if it is the first time I saw something explode, I would need a minute.

You know what I mean? I would just be like, what's that? Yeah. That's like an underlying theme of the movie. Yeah. That they look at Azeem as the barbarian. But he's like scientifically way more advanced than that. They've never seen like a fucking telescope and they don't know how to deliver babies and they don't know how to do all of that shit. I forgot to put in what's aged the best. I love when people get propelled and old... Catapults? Yeah, those old movies like that when they send Freeman and Costner over the wall. Yeah. Just the way they do it.

It's cool. I can watch that on there. I wish the movie had more shit like that. Yeah, like old school special effects shit. Because to be honest with you, for a movie that's based in like swashbuckling, there's not a lot of swash and buckle. Right, there's not a ton of sorting. Like in this, not a lot of it. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

The fire arrow that they used in the trailer, I think if it was like the game, the film used fire arrow. This was it. This was the arrow with the quiver. I would go with the pagan cult mask. Oh, yeah. The big rock in the beginning that they all have on in the beginning. There could also be like one of the necklaces or pieces of jewelry. Yeah. You know what I like? What? I like Azeem's fucking sword, man.

That big, huge scimitar that he has. That's a good one. The King Richard sword would be good, too, that he gets back. Talking about his dad's sword? Yeah. Andy Red's Zywatne Award would happen the next day. So Azeem just goes back. It's a wrap for him.

Say thanks, everybody. Yeah. I'm going to go find my family. I don't have a family. Just going to start the quick four-month journey back to... I think Azeem stays, man. You think he does? Yeah, he thinks he loves pop culture. He's like, I'm the smartest person here. I'm going to stay. It's a bunch of light-skinned motherfuckers right now running around. It's like Azeem's kids and forebears and Craig David, guys like that. I think Azeem stayed, man. Okay.

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. Rehearse before you do a movie is a good one. Might go that. Choose an accent. Give yourself a couple weeks. Commit. Commit, Kevin. Who won the movie? Rickman. Rickman won. I don't think we would do this movie if it was a replacement level villain. I think Rickman makes this movie pretty. I think you're right. I had Rickman as well. Did we have Rickman win Die Hard? We gave that one to Willis.

I don't remember. We die hard rather early in the run. Maybe we'll have to do it again at some point. Craig, what'd you think? This movie's older than you. Yeah. And I would have never put this movie on had I not been forced to by you three. Not a big Robin Hood guy? To be honest, I just kind of think the story of Robin Hood and Robin Hood as a character is kind of just like corny as hell. I think it's just kind of lame.

You know what, man? I got to say, for the last couple of months, really, you've been a really good sport. And you're like, you know what? I love you guys. And I love just movies where people are talking. And now you just brought it back. That's great. With that said, look, the first 20, 30 minutes kind of feels like a middle school English class substitute teacher movie where you're putting this on. Yeah. All right, we'll get through it. But I don't disagree. By the end, I'm like, all right, I'm kind of in. I actually enjoyed this movie. It's too long, but...

I have to preface this by saying I've never seen the Mel Brooks one. Oh, it's great. It's really funny. But I was like, this movie should have just been a comedy. Like, I think Costner's and Robin Hood is the least interesting part of this movie. Like, everything else in this movie I actually think is really good. Do you think, if I say Robin Hood to you, do you think of the investment app or Robin Hood as the character? I was just about to ask that. Investment app. Oh, we should have put that in the What's Aged to Worst, the Robin Hood investment app. Investment app. Because you know what? I actually think...

and it's weird. I think that there are certain pop culture things from my kid, from my childhood that have expired. Like Paul Bunyan has expired. That was still a big deal when I was a kid. Like he, Popeye has expired.

I think Robin Hood like has expired. I think it, I don't know if it has the relevance. I know they've tried to make other movies. I was even thinking about this the other day. Cause I saw like briefly, like it was, it was, I was in a movie I was watching or something, but like, I was like, does anybody know who the Flintstones are anymore? They might've expired, bro. They might've, like, like that was old for us when we were kids. That stuff was still old. I think some of that stuff has, like, do you think Ben knows who Fred Flintstone is? Not a chance.

I think there's a lot of the- Do you think Ben knows who Joe Biden is? If you said, Ben, here are these two pictures. One of these guys is named Joe Biden and one is named Fred Flintstone, you pick. He would ask if either of them was in the UFC. Yeah, right. Is that like a light heavyweight, the UFC? He definitely doesn't know who Joe Biden is. That's an interesting idea of things that just expire.

Yeah, because when I was thinking of- Like, does Bill Cosby mean anything anymore? I mean, now. Just because of the crimes, though. But people might- Like, I watched the Cosby show growing up. Okay. But like, when I was a kid, I just remember my dad was talking about- My mom was talking about things that were inspiring, but they were bringing all these old shows back. Fucking Gidget.

My Three Sons. Leave it to Beaver, all of that stuff. And then, you know, the stuff just goes away. Robin Hood was still a thing. They were still doing it, but I think it's gone, man. The Jeffersons, I think, have expired. Probably. Hopefully not. You know what the Jeffersons are? I do, but I never watched it.

Like Gilligan's Island expired. This stuff is in danger. It's in danger. Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island expired. All that stuff is expired, man. Well, that's good for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. How about this? How about the New York Yankees? Oh. They still a thing or no? Well done. Well done. Wait, I got to bring it back to you. Way to bring it back, Bill. Bill of Boston. So Costner kind of like screwing up in this role and like the accent didn't work and it was just wrong. Do you think there's any chance that this happens to Chalamet and Wonka?

That's a good question. I think it would actually have been more... Is he too young? The more probably accurate parallel would have been Dune. And if he'd somehow like completely fucked Dune up and been like all over the place while somebody else is like... He actually nailed it. He brought it in Dune. Yeah, I liked him in Dune. Van, pleasure to see you. Chris, always a pleasure. Thanks, Bill. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlbeck.

Craig of the Bay. That's right. We'll see you next week on... Wait, how much did this movie make? Month.