‘Hereditary’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
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Hell yeah. Like what? Gladiator 2. When's that coming out? November 22nd. Who's in that? We got Paul Meskel and Denzel Washington. Yeah, I like Denzel. I've heard of him. Sierra and I saw Gladiator 2. I never get invited to the screen. It's always you guys. Maybe because you keep shitting on movies. Well, I would have gone to see Gladiator 2. I like Gladiator 2. They did a Q&A afterwards. We got to see Denzel in full form.

Full flesh. First of all, I don't shit on movies. Nobody is more likely and a better candidate to spend 25 bucks on a new Amazon movie. Yeah.

Why does it... So it's $20 to rent on Amazon and then $25 to buy. Yeah. Why can't you rent it for $20 and then if you're like, I really like that, for an extra $5, you can buy it. Oh, that's a good idea. Like, God forbid, Amazon. They have a trillion dollars. You should save that for hottest take. Flexible pricing. Yeah, flexible pricing. Like, oh, Strange Darling. That was good. I actually wish I had bought that. Yeah. I'm going to put $5 more toward the buying. How about this? Just buy physical media. Then you don't ever have to worry about that. But then you have to get up. You have to put it in.

to push it back in to press the remote you gotta blow out a cartridge if it's dusty you gotta get up god forbid we walk around a little bit I just want like Rebel Ridge to come on and be like hey Netflix boom two clicks I'm watching Rebel Ridge you should be able to pay two dollars extra if you can get it on Tubi you know bring Rebel Ridge to other streaming platforms Tubi Tubi

The people streamer. Cold men's bill is here. CR, are you still podcasting or what's going on? I am. I got my Yankees podcast. We're cranking them out. Talking Yankees with John Boyd. Cranking Yankees with CR. The Giancarlo boys. Yeah. We're going to go through all 14 pitches of that Soto at bat. Pitch three, change up.

He knew it was coming there. This one's kind of like the Return of the Jedi of pitches where he knows. This is where, like, watch pitch seven. Watch, he starts nodding because he's starting to lock in. He's nodding here. My name is Bill Simmons. This is the rewatchables. It's scary, but. I think Cold Meds Bill is still here. Cold Meds Bill. Choke House is the only one with a higher approval rating. We're about to do Hereditary, which is not a comedy. Classically watchable, though. Yeah.

Sorry about your grandma. You know you were her favorite. Who's gonna take care of me when you die? She isn't gone. You know you were her favorite. I swear I can feel them in the room. You know you were her favorite, right? Something is happening. I think my mother put a curse on us. Mom, I need to call the police. The police can't help us.

Mom? You know you were her favorite, right? Hereditary in theaters this Friday. All right, guys. Hereditary, a movie that came out when we had The Ringer. That's right, yeah. No Roger Ebert. He's sadly a few years gone. Sean Fennessey was...

I was writing about movies. I was podcasting about movies. You had the big picture podcast at that point. I had the director of this movie on the show. Was that episode only like 31 minutes long? Yeah, I think it was like 28 minutes. I went back and looked at that. Well, that's what we were still trying to figure out what that pod was. It was like, is it interviews? It took a while. It was almost entirely interviews at that point. But...

That actually plays an interesting role, I think, in what this movie is responsible for and what it represents from that period of time. Just go cook. Put on your apron. We'll just sit here at the counter. Thank you. I appreciate you setting me up. It's the first A24 movie we've ever done on the show. I think that represents something kind of meaningful and a shift in this. You know, this is...

One of the last of the first 10 A24 movies that I think sets off like a chain of events in movie culture as like the big studios are starting to get less powerful and more aligned on franchises and smaller stuff like this can break through. And a better ecosystem for the rent by ecosystem by the end of 2010 is starting to come into place. Yeah, I think some of the streaming stuff and rental stuff that you were talking about before.

to movies like this where like we're building, this is kind of a new canon movie. This is a, this is one of the major new scary movies of the last 20 years and a new voice in a feature debut in Ari. And so like when we were starting to do the big picture, I was like, those are the people I really wanted to talk to. I either wanted to talk to like the 75 year old guys or the 32 year old people who are making films. The Schrader, De Palma,

Well, Eastwood was probably 75 when you started the big picture, right? He was 75 the day I was born. So he's doing great. He's still going. But yeah, this is a big deal, I think, in recent movie history. Yeah, it was This, The Witch, It Comes at Night, right? That was also an A24 movie. But we also had the Halloween remake coming this year, too. Halloween remake? Yeah.

people had figured out some new 5.0 version of horror movies and they were either going to be like these A24 type movies or reboots of franchise done actually correctly. All movies we like. Blumhouse was doing kind of low budget, exploiting the margins of like, we'll get a baseline of horror fans coming in if we make this movie for like three, four, five million dollars and then it makes 20, 30, 40. That's great for us. That's great for the filmmakers. It's the old sports movie model. Yeah, but it was like those budgets were pretty low and I think this marks a

An explosion of, for lack of a better term, prestige horror. Refined horror, trauma horror. And I think that it's been often copied but never duplicated. Trauma horror. Yeah. I had six types of horror movies I was going to run by you guys. Maybe there's more types. First type is the grisly horror movie. That's like Saw.

Oh, yeah. Rob Zombie's Halloween movies, right? Torture porn, yeah. Yeah. Grizzly. Just, eh. So you need to take a shower. Grizzly porn. I don't really like those movies, just FYI. I think there's a certain audience for that, and I'm not sure I'm the audience. I like the ones, like the really fucked up Italian ones from the 70s and 80s. I don't really like the ones from the 2010s as much. Yeah, something felt just kind of off, like a little sadistic. That's one.

Normal, scary. So that's Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, It Follows, Blair Witch, Paranormal Activity. Those just traditional. I know that's a horror movie. Popcorn, scary. Like I know what you did last summer. Scream. Scream 2. More targeted like teenagers. Teenagers, something, Babysitters in Peril. But it's like, oh, that's that actor from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And we go that direction. So that's three versions.

And then three versions of creepy. Safe creepy. What's a safe creepy? What lies beneath. Oh, yeah. Every M. Night Shyamalan movie. Okay. It's creepy, but it's okay creepy. It's like I could go on a date. PG-13 creepy. Yeah, I could watch with my eighth grade daughter creepy. Like thrillers with a supernatural element. Yeah. It's like that movie Trap with Josh Hart. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's kind of creepy, but I could watch this with both my kids.

artsy fartsy creepy Sean fantasy favorite yeah sure yes this one this one fits the bill yeah Midsommar is the ultimate of that where you're just like what just happened and was I smart enough to watch that Strange Darling was like that yes just ends with a five minute long shot of a character yeah and it's like whoa we're ending it this way okay guys going for it I enjoyed that yeah it was good and

And then full-fledged creepy, which is The Shining 7. And I think hereditary. I know hereditary is supposed to be artsy-fartsy creepy. I think it's just outright creepy. But that's more of a subjective decision, the last one. The last one is sort of like if the movie is good enough that it elevates itself into that category, as opposed to like the story type or the style, right? So this is my question. So I think you understand the categories. If you were making a movie, which category would you want to be in?

Oh, that's a great question. Because I think Creepy is the highest level horror movie. Like the last one. If you can pull off, yeah, if you can pull off like- That shining exorcist. Your version of The Shining where it's like, this is a long story. It's a long play. I'm going to pull people into this. And then when something scary happens, it's going to be fucking earned.

I know Sean's artsy-fartsy creepy. I think I would probably... Sean's like, Midsommar's awesome. Yeah, I would love to be in the last category. Obviously, if you were making a horror movie, you'd want to be making The Shining or The Exorcist. I feel the same way. If you had to choose only of the first five... I'd probably watch normal creepy the most. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I watch all five of those six. I just don't watch the torture porn. Yeah, I watch all of them. I tend to like all of them. The artsy-fartsy thing, I don't know...

I don't know if you can try to do that. Like, I think a lot of what's happened in the last 10 years is marketing. Like, that's kind of what you were reacting to. It's like the way that a movie is framed as prestigious as opposed to actually being prestigious. You know, most horror movies are not by their nature. There's nothing really prestigious about Hereditary. It's incredibly fucked up. There's multiple decapitations in this movie. Let me piggyback off what you're saying, though. Because there's something to the way that Hereditary works where if you watch the first two-thirds of the movie...

It's not that much different than Ice Storm. It's not that much different than Ordinary People. I disagree. Go ahead. Okay. I like this. You could do a family drama version of Hereditary that does not have payment, that does not have possession, that does not have cult, you know, anything. And it would still be really sad and a little bit unnerving. Mm-hmm.

I wonder whether what we're seeing with the artsy-fartsy stuff or however you want to phrase it, but I would go as far as to say The Shining, you could say Exorcist. Would you put Silence in there? Silence on the Lamps? We disagree about whether that's a horror movie, but I'll give you that just for the sake of conversation. Is that...

They are made with the intention of making a drama or making a, you know, like just a tense film that horror emerges out of. Whereas a couple of the other categories he's talking about, Scream, Texas, I would, I guess, I guess I would put in there are horror movies from their conception. Like the idea is within the first 20 minutes, these people are going to be put in this, you know, genre kind of situation. Now, what were you going to disagree about with their?

I think it's a little overstated how much that hereditary is a drama.

you know, in its very nature, it's a movie about a satanic cult with multiple decapitations. Like, it is pure visceral horror. It is, frankly, much more horrifying than, like, insidious movies, you know? Like, it has a lot more, like, hardcore gore and a lot more supernatural elements than a lot of those films. So, again, I think it's kind of marketing. Like, I think A24 is very smart to apply a lot of this sensation of, like,

This is deeper than your typical horror. Now, I could read into it because I think Ari Aster is a really good writer and I think his writing elevates the story. But that's like the phrase that got used around this movie was elevated horror. I think it's kind of phony. I think none of that really applies. If this became a Blumhouse movie, it might look a little bit different. It might sound a little bit different.

But you could see Blumhouse making a movie about a family that becomes consumed by a cult and has terrible violence. It would be called Telephone Pull. It might. It might. So I think I'm a little bit skeptical of like the artsy framework for some of this stuff because...

Midsommar is the same thing. It's just like, it's a sunshine horror. There's a lot of sunshine horror movies over the years, but it's like the things that happen in that movie, people are like lit on fire. They fall off of cliffs and smash their heads open. Like these are gnarly horror movies. Midsommar is a, I watched it once movie for me. I watched it again after I watched Hereditary last night. Did you really? Well, I said the first 45 minutes. Jets, Mets, Hereditary, Midsommar? Yeah, that was Jets, Mets related. It feels like.

It's like, what's next for me? Yeah. I had a really hard night. It's a Swedish vacation. Sweden, right? Sweden, yeah. Those Swedes. You know, in a lot of the writing about this movie, going back, because this was, you know, as you said, they shrewdly marketed it. And one of the things was about the family dynamics of trauma and grief and relationships and movies that got thrown around that allegedly inspired the director, Carrie. Yeah.

Cook, the thief, his wife and her lover, the ice storm, ordinary people. Don't look now. Yeah. On Tubi, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Donald Sutherland. Julie Christie. But, uh,

I don't know. I think it's a horror movie. Yeah, it's definitely a horror movie. I know they rooted in this whole family thing, but it's pretty fucked up from the get-go, and you know something's wrong with the little girl, and it's... Plus, Gabriel Byrne's in it. When is he fucking normal ever? That's a good point. It's like, oh, it's Beverly Hills Cop 4 with... Oh, and there's Gabriel Byrne. He's the wisecracking sheriff. Gabriel Byrne never shows up, and I'm like, oh, well, this is going to be a laugh, right? A gentle drama. Can you imagine being married to that dude?

You think that he's typecast? The pizza's late from Postmates. He's just grim look on his face. No, I just see him. He was married to Peak Ellen Barkin though, wasn't he? He was. He's just inherently creepy. He was. She's, where does she? Peak Ellen Barkin is about as peak as it gets. Is she at the top of the list? Like, see you love Ellen Barkin? Yeah. Maybe that's why Gabriel Byrne doesn't have a sense of humor is because he saw Sea of Love. What the fuck is that?

Why is Al Pacino got you against the wall? Why do you keep saying, what are you looking for, Frank? Is angry Gabriel Byrne just angry Bono? I feel like they're really close. Maybe you got an answer for that, Mr. President. Excuse me, Mr. President. Why is Al Pacino got my wife against the wall?

Should Gabriel Byrne be added to the list of potential angry Gabriel Byrne? We should throw him in the Wayne Jenkins category. Yeah, he's creepy. You see him and you're like, all right. That's really good. This movie's going to get weird. So the director asked her. He had a 75-page shot list. This was his first major movie.

He got hired for some short films and stuff and just seems like an actual, in a positive way, psychopath when he makes a movie. He sketches everything out. Meticulous. This is your guy. Yeah, this is one of your guys. Yeah, I've interviewed him for every movie on the show. I think he's a genius. He's not that old, right? What is he, like mid-30s? Is he funnier than Gabriel Byrne, you think? I wouldn't say Ari is a laugh riot in general as a person, but he's super smart. He's...

He does do the things that you're describing that he, I think, used in some of the promotion around the movie, which is he tends to say, like, here's a movie that you can think about that is a little bit different but close to the kind of movie I made. But I tend to think that a lot of that is just theatrics and that his sensibility is fucked up in a very fun and entertaining way. And I do think he also is processing some real shit.

by making these movies in this way, you could not have come up with Hereditary or Midsommar or Bo is Afraid if you didn't have like a world inside your mind that you're trying to get out. So I think he's technically basically top of the class from his generation. I think there's very few people who can kind of pull off the kind of things that he imagines. But the movies are all pretty funny. Like I'm going to make a case that Hereditary is kind of a comedy. Yeah.

You're going to make that case? It's so ridiculous. I saw on YouTube it was under decapitation comedy. It's so absurd. It's so absurd.

And I don't think it's the kind of movie where you're like, this is a movie about processing grief. Like, it's not. The movie is about how we are fucking hopeless. Like, no matter what you try to do to get to the bottom of your feelings, go to counseling, go to a seance, have a deep conversation with your child, we're all going to fucking die. Like, we are cursed. Like, that's the message of the movie. That's super funny to me that that's where he lands on it. Chet's fan? Well, maybe that's part of the reason why I like this movie. Yeah.

I think the Hereditary, that a Jets fan who passes the Jets down. The curse, yeah. Toni Collette's performance has comic elements to it. For sure. She's really big in the performance. Glad you brought her up. She's been in three Best Picture films. The Sixth Sense, The Hours, Little Miss Sunshine, plus Hereditary. Not nominated for this movie, and I actually thought she should have been because this movie did well and it was critically acclaimed. Olivia Colman won for the favorite.

Lady from Roma, nominated. Glenn Close, Lady Gaga, Star is Born. The one that really stood out to me was Melissa McCarthy for Can You Ever Forgive Me? It's a fine performance. It's fine. Toni Collette was amazing in this. I think she's a really good actress in general, but this and Little Miss Sunshine are the ones that I think jump out to me with her. She's very good at playing completely frazzled, but yet

Somehow weirdly confident, but then the frazzle beats the confidence. There's a couple of award reel moments in this movie where she's giving a speech or something like that, but the things that blow my mind are when she wakes Peter up, or not even wakes him up, but is like, I never wanted to be your mother, and then puts her hand over her mouth. There are moments in this where she's just unbelievable.

She was nominated for Sixth Sense and has never been nominated since. Which is kind of strange because you'd never walk out of a Tony Collette movie and be like, she wasn't good in that. I think she's better in this movie than Sixth Sense. She's good in Sixth Sense. She's got more to do. It's almost like a logical continuation in some ways, right? Like they feel like they're kind of in conversation with each other a little bit. Well, let's get to the topic of

What the hell actually happened in this movie? So I just wanted to ask before we got into it, will you be referring to Payment as Peter Payment like Damien Omen? Peter Payment? Peter Payment. Was that an XTC song? You know what I mean? Was Charlie Payment? I guess so, yeah. Yeah. He...

No, he's Payman now. Payman's a different name. He wasn't Payman all along. There's no Charlie, is what you have to understand. It was always Payman. It was never Charlie. Payman was always Charlie. But Charlie existed. Well, her corporeal form. Yes. But not... Yeah. Well, we should mitigate that. So I did bullet points. Tell me where it veers off the tracks. Okay. The grandmother wanted her son to be the host, but he killed himself. Correct. Correct.

The daughter, Annie, played by Toni Collette, her son was going to be the next host, but the grandmother was not allowed near the child. Grandmother and the mom reconciled in time for Charlie, the creepy little girl, and she was the wrong host.

And I don't know, the eight kings of hell, however this works. Yeah. The hell committee. Yeah. Is this like the board of governors in the NBA? That's right. They convened and they were like, we got to move that fucking host. That's right. It's Balmer. Charlie Wrong Host. Who's your favorite king of hell? Who are your guys when it comes to the kings of hell? I think the West Coast king of hell was the biggest voice in the room. Yeah. He was powerful. So we got to move that host from Charlie. Got to move it to the older brother somehow. Well, that guy was involved with Microsoft at the beginning too. So...

So demons pass down. This is part of the theory. Into Charlie. It's generational hereditary. Yes. Um,

And beheading, I guess, is the way to release the spirit? That's a good question. I hadn't gotten that deep into it. I hadn't done that much tape watching. But it does seem like that. I think beheading ties into it to release the spirit of payment. He needs an empty, exposed neck to pop out of. I hadn't read that, but that kind of makes sense given the number of decapitations in this movie. So my wife loves this movie. And it's one of the rare movies that I feel like she understands and can go through.

go way deeper than I can. And she was, that was her interpretation. I like this. I hadn't ever thought about the beheading. And then because you get into the, like how much of Charlie's death is orchestrated by the cult and maybe possibly even Charlie, but there's beheading breadcrumbs throughout the whole movie, right? The bird gets beheaded. She's doing the model house. There's beheaded people in that at the end, there's beheadings. So I think you're right. I think you're onto something. Thanks, Sean. Um,

Hereditary demons don't have to just be payment, I think is the other theme in this movie, right? What do you mean? It could be... I don't know. Like we were joking about the jets, but it could be... Depression could be passed along. Yes. Anxiety. I think it's a metaphor for that. All kinds of things. So yeah, it's a metaphor of all these different terrible things that could happen. Yeah, it could be addiction. It could be whatever. The problem that I have with this is that...

I'm a Mets fan as well, and the Mets did not exist when my dad was born. And he chose them, and then he gave them to me.

So he was nine when they came around. So what is that? Like, what demon is that? Like a new demon? Yeah, that's like a new demon. That's like a ninth king. The ninth king. The ninth king was Fred Wolpon. The ninth king is Woody Johnson. The Red Sox hit a dark spot where you were starting to wonder, like, did you want to pass this team to your kids? I remember writing about that in the early 2000s. Like, is this a team you want to pass to?

Kind of like hereditary. Would you pass the Jets to a child? Yeah, because I feel like none of this stuff, after the Red Sox won and some of the other teams that have the Cubs winning, I just feel like all these teams, I don't believe in the curses. This is how I know Bill is payment. Because he got all the championships. I did. He got the riches, the wealth. I was hanging out with a Dodger fan this weekend who asked,

Have you ever decided the concept of if we can just win these next two rounds, I'll trade you this? And I was like, it sounds like you're making an offer to...

There's a Dodgers fan who feels that way? Yeah. I mean, they haven't really won since 88. They won the COVID year. That is still a World Series. I know, but it's not like a real World Series. I got no time for Dodger fans complaining about shit. They're not complaining. It's just like I'd really like a real one. Also, I don't really feel like the Dodgers fans put their team under the kind of pressure that like Phillies fans or Eagles fans or Jets fans. Yeah, cold weather. It's different.

Lots more to discuss with this movie through the categories, but $10 million budget made Wait a minute, was it Mary Hart? Was that the Dodger fan you were talking to? Tom Hanks. $10 million budget, $87.8 million it made, almost $100 million. 824's highest grossing film until Everything Everywhere all at once in 2022. Oh, I didn't know that. No Roger Ebert. Yeah. Do you think you would have liked it?

Um, I can put that in chat GBT while we talk, but Sean, I wanted, you know, the audience pulled by cinema score. You could also just like speculate, you know, Roger Ebert's work very well. You don't have to use it. I think he would have, this would have been a three and a half stars for him. I think Cisco would have hated it. Cisco would have been like, he would have been like, I walked out when the little girl got beheaded. I was, I left.

But I think Raj would have been like, ah, family theme, story, I'm in. Three and a half. I agree. He loves characters. He loves strong female performances. Yeah. Tony Flatt was a revelation. I think he would have raved about that. Gabriel Byrne, Laugh Riot. Gabriel Byrne. Byrne strikes again. Yet again, creepy as hell.

So CinemaScore, the audiences gave the film an average grade of D+. It's like one of the least successful CinemaScore movies that actually did well. This is why we shouldn't listen to CinemaScore. Cinema CinemaScore. It's a poll that is conducted when people leave the movie theater. No, I know. But they get, what it is, is it's not did you like the movie? What grade would you give it? It's what did you think the movie was going to be when you entered the movie based on the marketing that you had seen? And then what did you, how did it match up to what you got in the movie?

So oftentimes if you have movies that are like promoted as like a laugh riot or an action drama and then they're slow or they don't quite fulfill your expectations, then they tend to have low scores. I also don't really take any criticism or score based stuff that seriously around horror. I think it's like a pretty refined category in terms of taste. And also the people who routinely go see those movies are not paying attention to like whether Roger Ebert would have liked it or not. Right.

Chat GBT is telling me Ebert appreciated horror films that push boundaries. And he admired horror movies like The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby. Ebert likely would have respected Hereditary for its craftsmanship and psychological complexity. But whether he would have fully embraced its darker, more disturbing aspects is up for debate. That's what we're going to do. Thanks, Chat GBT. They're going to fucking replace us in a year. Sorry.

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We'll read my game. Discover something new every week on Paramount+. So it's always weird when we have a horror movie with rewatchable scenes, but I do think this movie has some rewatchable scenes. Yeah. I can give you Annie in the support group. My mom was old, and she wasn't altogether there at the end. And we were pretty much estranged before that, so it really wasn't a huge blow. I did love her. And she didn't have an easy life. She had DID, which became extreme at the end.

and dementia. And my father died when I was a baby from starvation because he had psychotic depression. And he starved himself, which I'm sure was just as pleasant as it sounds. And then there's my brother. My older brother had schizophrenia. And when he was 16, he hanged himself in my mother's bedroom. And of course, his suicide no-blanked her, accusing her of putting people inside him. So that was my mom's life. The group's like, whoa, let's take a break.

Hey! I love that scene. Any more of these or just those two? I love how that scene starts from an angle that is very far away and the camera's elevated and very, very, very slowly it starts encroaching into Toni Collette's face while she's giving that performance and you're like,

oh, this is a generational nightmare. Yeah. It would be amazing though if like the next cut was just somebody being like, this is actually the quitting smoking group. This is for nut cancer? Yeah. The party scene.

Classic rewatchable scene there. I'd love to really dive into this. Back into the left. Charlie, one of the worst people you could bring to a high school party? I'm just going to say, Sean, you have younger siblings. Yeah. My younger siblings are a lot cooler than Charlie. Better hangs than her. Probably would have put up more of a fight. Like, hey, there's this girl I like. I really don't want to bring Charlie. I just bought this Teutonic pot.

It's a little bit of a strain of credulity there at that point in the movie. I do like the idea. So like when, you know, when Peter's first in class and they're talking about Heracles and fate, it's like this idea of whether or not like certain things in this story were fated and destined to happen. I do have a question. Like creating cake with nuts in it. So the question that I had for you guys, you know what, I'll save it. I'll save it for the category that makes the most sense. Could have gotten her some Benadryl, but I think it was pretty stoned.

And then... But I'm not sure if that would have worked and that's related to my question. Maybe not. Driving to the airport and she leans her head out the window and telephone pole takes it off. This...

Telephone pole removes the head. That was not, I shouldn't laugh. It's a movie. We can laugh. Super chill delivery of that faded news. In the theater. Yeah. I'm really glad you brought this up. Astoundingly startling. Like truly like what the fuck, man. Yeah. So effective. I also got to say that this has become an obsession of mine is like contemporary trailers giving away too much of movies. Yeah.

Charlie, the Charlie death is not in the trailer. No. No, you think the movie's about Charlie. Yeah, you think that the whole thing is her grieving her mother's death. It's an amazing what the fuck just happened. I agree in the theater. It's...

you know, four or five, six times later after you watch this movie, it just does them the same impact. But it's awesome. Have I told you my story about going to see this movie? I must have when it happened because it was very memorable. What happened? So I saw this movie at South by Southwest and it had played previously at Sundance and there was a lot of buzz about it. And I was like, ooh, a fancy new horror movie. So exciting. So I went to a midnight screening. Oh my God. I was living, staying with you at this time. We went together.

But you didn't come to the movie with me. I didn't. And so I went to a midnight screening and it was at the Lamar Alamo Drafthouse, which is farther out of town. So you have to like drive 20 minutes to get out to that movie theater relative to where we were staying. So I went to the midnight screening, which was pretty crowded. And when we watched the movie and we were like, this is very fucked up. This is a very, and it was 2.30 in the morning when we got outside. Very traumatizing. Called an Uber, get in an Uber,

I'm driving for about five minutes, and then we get viciously rear-ended. Very intense car accident in the Uber. And so we pulled over on the side of an empty highway and waited for the cops to come. At 3 o'clock in the morning, after just watching Hereditary, me, Uber driver who barely spoke English, and the guy who hit us who I think might have been drunk. Wow. I was fucking terrified. I was like, is this payment come to get me?

So I will never forget seeing that movie for the rest of my life. And I remember he got back to the Airbnb we were staying at and you were like, I think I got up to go to the bathroom or something and you'd just gotten in. And I was like, yo. Yeah, it was like four o'clock in the morning. I was going and you were like, not good. I wasn't doing well. That just sounds like a horrible thing. Yeah, it was really rough. Yeah, that's rough. Shocking.

You know, very few movies kill off the character you didn't expect to get killed off in the first, like, 40% of the movie and actually have a pull-off in the stage. Here's the other thing about it is, I forgot about this, is that Peter just shuts down and drives home and leaves the body. Well, I had some thoughts about that. Peter's post-accident plan. Yeah, Peter Paimon. Tough spot for the mom the next day. Yes, yeah. It's like, man, that headless body looks like my daughter.

There's blood everywhere. Wait, I recognize that shirt. I mean, I just, that's gotta be the number one worst thing you could walk into. And the screaming kind of fits. Yeah. Cause they don't show it. It holds on Peter's face when you hear the screaming, which is a great choice. Um, my wife defended him. She's like, he's in shock.

Yeah, well, I don't know if he... It sounds like your wife should be on this pod. She loves this. Her and my son love this movie. That speaks very highly of your wife, that she's so into this movie. Well, what about my son? Well, he likes all horror movies. They love this movie. Well, you've conditioned him. You've trained him. This one, I'm like, they watched it like two months ago, and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? You guys are watching Hereditary again? You think it's like there's something about Mary? Like, pop on Hereditary. Do you think, you know, you have a family of four with a boy and a girl. Do you guys relate to something about the film? Is there something... Is my son payment?

I will say, though, we'll get to this part or this scene. Yeah. But the last 40 minutes of this movie are, if this is the last 40 minutes, I'm stopping to watch the end of this for this movie. Oh, yeah. If you flip to it. Yeah, if you flip to it. If it's on TV. Forgot to mention the head with the ants. That's tough. Did you clock it all the first time you saw it?

Charlie cutting the head off the bird and then she gets her head cut off. Yeah. They also drive past the lamppost very purposely. Yeah, I noticed that probably the third time I saw this movie that there's designs on the telpon pole that matches like her necklace and some other stuff.

There's a lot of things that look like they're pointing in a neon red sign when you go back and watch the movie for where it's all headed. When you're watching it, you have no idea really what's going. Annie's second meeting with Joan, Holy Cross grad Ann Dowd. Yeah. Yeah, CR. Interesting. HC in the house. She brought a lot of that Jesuit training to this film. Yeah. That's amazing. A few years ahead of me. The second most famous HC alum.

No, I mean, we had Clarence Thomas, Bob Cousy. Number one is Joe House. Joe House, probably first. Blue Boy? Where's Blue Boy? He's in the top 30. Andy's second model with Joan, right into Andy doing the car crash model where we get the paint thinner story. Yeah. Peter always held it against me. I would fucking hope so. I mean, when you were sleepwalking and poured paint thinner over him and his sister and you were holding matches? Yeah. I wonder if...

It's a tough one. I like when she's defending the car crash model to her husband, creepy Gabriel Byrne. Oh my God. It's a neutral view of the accident. Sean's right. This movie is kind of funny, deep down. It's so funny. That's hilarious. Her daughter got decapitated in a car accident and three days later, she was like, I'm going to make art out of this. Yeah. She's processing her grief. Yes, for sure. Got the crash launched down. Honey, is the head too far away from the telephone pole? Would you move it back or closer? The dinner scene,

Sneer at you? I don't ever sneer at you. Oh sweetie, you don't have to. You get your point across. Okay, so fine, then say what you want to say then. Peter. I don't want to say anything. I've tried saying things. Okay, so try again. Release yourself. Oh, release you you mean? Yeah, fine. Release me. Just say it. Just fucking say it! Don't you swear at me, you little shit! Don't you ever raise your voice at me! I am your mother! Do you understand?

All I do is worry and slave and defend you. And all I get back is that face on your face. So full of disdain and resentment and always so annoyed. Well, now your sister is dead.

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Seance. Just no. Yeah. No on the seance. Especially after the person who's convinced you to do the seance is like, your whole family has to be there. And like, here's the language that I don't know what it is. And you have to read these words. It's like...

hey, this isn't ideal. Don't pursue this. When we were worried our house was haunted before we found out that it was, people wanted to have... Before an official ghostbuster. Before Patrick Wilson came over and confirmed it. Things are going great with the ghosts, but... That's because he's like, you guys keep watching Hereditary. You're my people. I finally found my soulmates. My soulmates.

We had somebody suggest a seance and I was like, there's no fucking way. No. In earnest, they suggested that? Like, was there somebody like in Hollywood that could provide the service? In front of my wife. Okay. It's like, just seance. Get it all out. I was like, definitely not. Where are you at on Ouija boards? Oh, no way. Yeah. Zero percent chance. You're in. Every night. I've never done it. I've never done it. Never done it? Yeah, I've never done a Ouija board. I don't think.

Wow, what's that about? You love board games. Who wins Ouija besides Satan? I mean, Satan, yeah. I just don't understand. The demons have to just be laughing when people are like, let's break out a Ouija board. They're like, really? Look at these fucking idiots. All right. You want to play Ouija? You want this? Yeah.

You love demons. Yeah. You just love a demon. But he treats it like the demons are at the high roller suite in Atlantic City. Oh, they are. Like, oh, look at these whales. Yeah, seriously. Like, oh my God. There's no need to be scared. It's your sister. Like the Chesterfield North over here. Annie figuring out what the album is in books is a rewatchable. Peter freaking out in the classroom leading to Annie showing her husband the attic.

I have two more. I wrote down, Gabriel Byrne is on fire! And then Peter escapes to the attic. What's your most rewatchable scene, C.R.? All right, so it's broadly speaking the last 40 minutes, but I think it's from Steve burning to death. Yeah. On more or less. It's Peter wakes up

Goes downstairs. Charred dad. Discovers charred dad. Mom's on the ceiling. Yeah. And before that, when he's in the bedroom, you see... Tough morning. You see indications. He hadn't even had coffee yet. That part is so scary. So scary when you don't really fully understand what's happening. Yeah, because it's like you... She takes on payment once Steve goes up in flames. Yes. Then she has to cut her head off to give payment to...

The dead body of Peter. Well, she had good piano wire, though. She'd gone to Home Depot. I have a lot of questions. Strong piano wire. I'll just tell you guys this. If I woke up the next morning and my charred father was in front of the fireplace, I would still make coffee because I can't really start the day without coffee. I tell you what, that's a great game show idea. What would cause you to not make coffee? I'd be like, well...

I mean, he is dead. What if it was a notification on your phone that said Peyton Pritchard scored 101 points in a game against the Knicks? Would you immediately go to last night's highlights? You guys know I stopped for coffee when my wife was in labor. You know that story. You've told that story. Yeah. Was it a good choice? I didn't know she was actually... I thought it was another false labor. So I was like, can we just stop at the Starbucks? What'd she say? And then we got there and like, she's four centimeters to highlighted. She's still mad about it. You're like, I got this latte. We're justified. Yeah.

First child or second child? First child. Okay, well, you didn't know. I didn't know. What do you have for most rewatchable? I think it's the same thing. Steve goes up in flames and then as soon as you see her moving around in his room the first time in shadow, I was locked in but also like this.

You guys are both wrong. Okay. It's the telephone pole beheading Charlie. That seems amazing. So you rewatch it all the time? I'm just saying that's the most, if that scene's coming up, I'm like, all right. You really should do like an old school Madden telestrator breakdown of that scene. I would pay money. Somebody put the deer in the middle of the road and boom! I might have something a little later for you guys. Yeah. Uh-huh.

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What's aged the best? The real estate. The house is great in this movie. Utah. Beautiful. Park City, baby. Really good. I like the little creepy tree house. I like the driveway. It's just the perfect scary house. I think one reason why I really like this movie is that I, in my life, before my life is over, I want to live in a house like that.

I want to live in like a secluded mountain town house. With a little history, dark wood inside. A little history. But I worry that if I do that, I will be dooming myself. If you do that, no matter what the state of our relationship is, I want you to know that I'm going to paint a giant triangle on the floor.

Before you move in. Chris, are you wearing a payment necklace? Andy's work hair is good too. I like that whole thing. Another one says it's the best.

Bugs, ants, or flies as a horror movie device? Hate them. I just told him this. This is the one thing I can't do. Always super, it's like, oh no, there's some bugs. I prefer if I have to have one or the other bugs I can handle better than mice in my life. How about flies? Like lots of flies. But flies as like a death harbinger is really freaks me out.

The ants and the flies together. They didn't do any spiders in this movie. To me, that's the final breaking point. I have more, but what do you have for us? We kind of touched on this a little bit, but re-watching this movie when you know it's going to happen. So like this time around, for instance, it was like,

Annie noticing extra people at the funeral because that's the cult, right? Charlie and Annie talking about Annie's mom feeding Charlie and wanting her to be a boy. You're like, oh, right, because you want to do payment. The bird, Charlie and Peter driving past the lamppost, all the stuff on the postcard where it's like, forgive me for everything I couldn't tell you, but we're going to inherit whatever. So all the stuff that you pick up over and over again, like Sixth Sense,

It has durable rewatchability because all these little signals are in there. I think way better executed than Sixth Sense.

Like, when I watch Sixth Sense now, I'm like, all right, I get it. Sixth Sense is like one trick, right? This is laying a lot more groundwork. I think you're underestimating the Sixth Sense a little bit. I mean, I think there's like staging of scary sequences in that movie that are exceptional. And upon revisiting them, you like them. But it is a movie that is hinged entirely on the twist. I don't think this movie is hinged entirely on the reveal. And it is chock full of like Easter eggs, for lack of a better phrase. I think it's also like,

Like I said, this kicked off a wave not just of these kinds of horror movies, but like in five years, A24 does Spring Breakers, Ex Machina, Room, The Witch, The Lobster, Moonlight Best Picture, Florida Project, Lady Bird, Good Time, capped off by Hereditary, which is their biggest movie of all time. And that's pretty much a generation of filmmakers. And that is they discovered a bunch of people who did their first or second films.

Bunch of award nominations, you know, and movies that people have a big relationship to from the last 15 years. Did I ever tell you my theory about the lobster? Fire away. It sucked. So my next What's Aged the Best is... Not a theory? What's Aged the Best, the horror movie score in this movie, whatever they're doing, it's not like something you'd play on Spotify or something, but...

There's just sounds and creaks. It's a little Shining-esque. Or Shining, just they're making weird noises. You're like, ah, I don't like that noise. That's weird. What's going on there? But I think they did a good job. Horror movies where someone hurts themselves is a good device. When Charlie started...

when Peter starts slamming his head against the desk that always creeps me out what's the worst because it's actually been ripped off a bunch because they do it in talk to me they do it in long legs pretty much they kind of do it in smile where like I feel like the hitting your face thing yeah but that's suddenly out of nowhere has become but this movie was ahead of that I'm saying you're right it can be best and worst because I think it's been it's been ripped off a little bit good point it is now like a trope did you like long legs did you like them

Did you? No. I didn't. Good try. Noble effort. I didn't like it though. Can we get long legs together with now? I feel like. Now would you like to order? We should add long legs to the Tony Romo and Jim Nance. In long legs? Yeah, in long legs. Okay. I'll work on that.

I also really like the... I did not expect you to break out of long legs. Yeah, sorry. I should have warned you. So they built the interiors on sets, on sound stages, but it's very kind of like almost...

breaking the fourth wall at certain points of like the fakeness of the sets. Yeah. It's that amazing first shot. Yeah. The slow push in and you're moving into the miniature and then all of a sudden you're in the room. I had that for a great shot Gordo. Yeah. It's gotta be a great shot Gordo for this one. I actually had Steve on fire for Gordo. Oh. Steve is on fire. Bang. Wow. Now Mike Breen is a part of this. Steve throws the book in the fireplace. Bang. Yeah.

That's like a double bang. Bang! Bang!

Oh, man. Oh, my fucking God. Anyway, yeah, that was cool. What's aged the best? Endowed. Hereditary, The Leftovers, and The Handmaid's Tale, aka The Dark Big Three. Yeah. The Doom Queen. What else could she be in that's more depressing than those three? Those are all high lottery picks. You should, next time you do a Holy Cross alum zoo. Holy Cross. You probably leave them a lady. Yeah. Inside joke for the Holy Cross people. Yeah.

You don't want to break down. I lived in Milady. That's like the furthest building away from where all the fun stuff was. That's where they put all the payment heads. That's like if you were a serial killer, you're probably in Milady. What's aged the best? The Halloween classroom homage. Yeah. They even shoot it where the window is to the left. I like that. Ari Aster. Pay homage to the king, John Carpenter. He's got some moves. The Fortune 3 clap award for most gif-able moment.

Is it too sick to think it's Charlie putting your head out the window? I think that's probably the one. If you wanted to do, like, images immediately preceding a disaster, you know, those Twitter accounts, like, that's the one. I was hoping that you would do Tony doing the piano wire thing. Pretty grisly. After the last strikeout of the next game. Yeah, you might get your account deactivated. In me, as Aaron Rodgers throws into traffic. Or it would be given medals on X. Yeah.

Deneth E's, Benny Hound, and Word the House for the scene-stealing location. Great house, right? Yeah. No doubt. Kid Cudi, Pursuit of Happiness, Word, Best Needle Drop, Joni Mitchell, right in the closing credits. It's the Judy Collins version. Oh, it is? I will say, Collins Stetson, who did the music, the double track of Reborn slash Hail Payment. Really great tunes there. You just run that while working out? Yeah.

What'd you have for the big kahuna burger or for best use of food and drink? Chocolate bars. Okay. I like it. What about the, what Charlie eats? You know, the walnut cake. Yeah, the cake. Just Charlie's sweet tooth in general. The cake, yeah. That's good. Butch's girlfriend award week, link in the film. I'll go last unless you guys don't have one here. I just think that Peter's friends could have had a little bit more definition. It's a good one.

Like when he's, when he's like panic attacking. He's back in school and nobody's like, hey man, you okay? Yeah. Nobody's ever just like, so what happened this weekend? You left in a hurry. Heard your sister died. Like they don't even acknowledge it. They're pretty, they're pretty rude. I feel like particularly his, his like potential girlfriend, like we could have had some more. Oh yeah. Some more excitement there. And it's like. Is that your weak link? Yeah. I mean, everybody else in the movie is great.

This is barely a weak link and it's not the movie's fault. This movie was hard to understand as you're watching it the first time. Yeah. The first time you're just like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah, it's one of those you go with it, but you really need to see it a second or third time to put the pieces together. You watch it more from the eyes of like, whoa, oh, oh my God. Oh, okay.

But then, you know, the story part of it's a little harder to follow. Yeah, I think you've... I remember... Not the movie's fault. Yeah, I remember very vividly getting the, okay, the demon is in Peter at the end. You know, Peter is now... He is the, you know, the product of the cult. But all of the choices that are being made or all the stuff that he's planting in the movie, it's hard to process those things the first time you watch it. What's aged the worst? So, Charlie's clacking noise, that...

Great movie device, but my wife does it to fuck with me and I don't like it. No. Yeah, she does it sometimes. That is messed up. Will she do it from another room or does she do it in front of you? No, when they watch it and then she'll be like, we watched Hereditary and then she'll start doing it. She might be one of the eight kings of hell. I'm still unclear. We'll find out at some point. Maybe that's why I'm in the house a bit. Do you think that explains all the success in your career? Oh, right. That's it. Yeah. Maybe that's the price coming at the end. That noise though.

It's messed up. There's a couple of them in the movie that are really, really jarring. The one in the classroom with Peter in particular, when it's almost like a close-up on the side of his head, and you hear it, is upsetting. Peter's really going for it in this movie in a couple spots. You mean the actor? The actor. Alex Wolff? Yeah. I think he's appropriately in a fugue state of grief and...

PTSD from everything that's happened to him. I think he's a good actor and gives a good performance. I was bummed out to learn that he went fully method during the production of this movie. Should we do that now?

Yeah, have some of this stuff. Everybody call me Peter. And he introduced himself as Alex on the last day of shooting. I get it. The guy who's not a thing telling the whole crew to call him by the character's name is just douchebag 101. It just is. Yeah, I agree. It's just lame. I'm willing to give Daniel Day-Lewis a pass. It's one thing if it's Daniel Day-Lewis. It should really be four people on the planet who can get away with that.

After we saw Gladiator 2 on Friday, CR and I went to a bar and the bar had like 25 TVs and all the TVs were showing sports and then there was one TV right in the middle of the bar and it was tuned to TCM and Lincoln was on. Yeah. And first of all, Chris and I were... Riveted. We were locked in on Lincoln and he turned to me in all sincerity. We had stopped talking. It was just the two of us watching Lincoln together. Just drinking a Budweiser. And he goes, dead serious, this is a rewatchable. Yeah.

Lincoln? Lincoln is definitely a rewatchable. I'll check it out. I don't know if I agree. Janusz is cooking in that movie. Tony Collette talking about Alex Wolff playing her son.

Alex dot dot dot just turned himself inside out. He wasn't particularly collaborative or enjoyable, I would say, for anybody else except for perhaps him in some weird fashion. But he's young. He'll figure it out. You know what? He did a great job, so who cares? That's how people talk about Jeremy Strong. This guy sucks. I was watching...

Jeff Chow, who we work with, sent me a video last night of some guy from NME asked Jeremy Strong what his favorite albums are. And he fucking no-sold it so hard and just took it so seriously. It was just like, Astral Weeks. And he was like, oh yeah, when did you first hear that? He's like, who can tell? It's one of those albums that just seems to emerge and be with you your whole life. Do we need to add Jeremy Strong to the WAN jackets category? No.

Dead-eyed Jeremy Strong. Jeremy Strong killing the vibe. Jeremy Strong as Peter would have been an interesting choice. He's too old now, but younger Jeremy Strong, that would have been fun. I gotta say, Alex Wolff has been very good in some good movies. So I don't want to dump all over his career, but that story, when I read that, I was like, this is not cool. This sounds awful.

Any other what's aged the worst? I had the smashing your face thing because it's become such a trend in horror movies. It is getting ripped off. And I think elevated horror is not aged well. I think if you try to put those brackets around a movie, it's like, oh, you got to stick up your ass and you think you're better than me. Yeah, it's basically like a really boring two-hour movie with a jump scare at the very end. Exactly. You think you're better than me, or...

Oh, you're there with your ghost story. You think you're better than me? You gonna scare me, motherfucker? You should do Sully reviews. Where it's just like you come out of a movie. Damn, KCF, we're gonna sheet in this thing.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word. Not to keep picking on Alex Wolff, but... Why did you try to kill me? Oh, I think Tony gets this. Tony is like worthy of almost adding to the category title. Oh, you think she went Julianne Moore, Magnolia? Yeah, don't call me ladies. She is Linda Partridge-ing, yeah, for sure. I think she's so good in this movie. Do you think it's overacting though? I just think she goes really big, you know? Yeah, okay.

Was there a better title for this movie? The Telephone Pole or Charlie's Head? I think Charlie's Head would have been giving something away. Yeah. Hereditary is good. I like it. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? I never wanted to be your mother. Yeah. And that's a really good one. Let's take a break and then we'll do the hottest take a word.

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All right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does it take a word? What do you got, CR? If payment calls, you have the meeting, right? Like, why was it such a bad idea? Because I feel like ultimately what they're looking for from payment is like wealth, insight. Five firsts, couple pick swaps. Yeah. So like, rather than get everybody in the family decapitated, maybe you just get your smartest guys in a room and talk it out. Yeah.

Payment is pretty relentless. Yeah. He's going to get... It's like having a clutch player want to trade. It's going to happen. It's just about how much pain comes along with it.

I have a somewhat related hottest take. Okay. Which is that I think the cultists are onto something, but only with regard to not wearing clothes. That like everyone is just like, if I've got payment, I don't need clothes. There's no such thing as shame or embarrassment. I can be my own true self all the time. Like naked cultist in your attic. That's about as awful as it gets. It's as scary as it is. But just from like a process perspective, I get it. I'd still go with like beavers.

What about them? I don't know. Just some animals that could. Oh, that would have been scarier? Rabid skunks. Yeah. Then someone in control of a demon? The naked cultists? No. I wasn't that scared of the naked people. I think naked people smiling is pretty crazy. Like that shot of the trio of them up in the attic smiling, that happens very quickly. Yeah, that is true. That was pretty creepy. Skunks are pretty bad though. We're talking about demons here.

Here's my hottest take. This is my best one in a while. Making a horror movie about hell? Not hard. Blank slate.

Just get to make up anything. Oh, like if it's about demons or anything? It's about hell and it's like you just, from there you just get to cook. It's Frank Slater. Oh, well, they ate kings in hell and pay them in and there's a host body. I think he did. Cut your head off and blow. He did the work though. I mean, the grimoires have pain in there. He did a great job. My point is nobody knows what hell is like, so you can basically do anything. I see. Yeah.

You'd be like, yeah, hell is the third quarter of a Carolina Panthers game when they're 1-15. And that's the gateway to hell right there. The third interception is when we go to hell. Like, you can say anything because nobody knows what hell is. Have you seen the new Smile?

No, but I'm excited for it. I like the first smile. I thought it was pretty good. The new smile opens up a lot of potential for setting a smile in the world of sports. Yeah? Yeah. I don't want to say too much. Like Russell Wilson? No, it's like what happens when a big crowd could be exposed to... Oh, Russell Wilson or smile? Russell Wilson just kicked my team's ass, so I'm not going to... I mean, maybe he is possessed by some sort of demon. He might be possessed by AI. Yeah.

I saw that take, yeah. He needs to be deprogrammed. Do you think he asks ChatGPT what Roger Ebert would say to Melissa George? Casting what ifs, we don't have any because this movie just came out. So we need...

15 to 20 more years to have stuff like Tom Cruise almost played Gabriel Byrne's part. It sounds like they got Tony Collette very early. Yeah. Gabriel Byrne pretty early. He kind of made it sound like he wrote it for Tony Collette. And then they got Milly Shapiro pretty early. Who apparently was this accomplished musical. She won a Tony for a musical on H10. She brings this perfect vibe to this movie. She's really good. Who do you have for best that guy?

It's not a huge cast on this movie. Kathleen Chalfant, who plays the grandmother, plays Lee. Oh, that's good. Dionne Waiters award endowed? Yeah. 100%. Holy cross on the house. Yeah. I wonder if she went to Jody's or McGuire's. Was there a whole class basketball player who mimicked Dionne Waiters' game? When I was there? Not really. Okay. We weren't good enough. Recasting couch director of City. Back to Peter. Where's Lucas Hedges in this? Where's my guy? Okay.

Can you imagine him doing Manchester by the Sea in this? Just following that up with Hereditary. And then he could be sold in the bundle on Fandango. It's like the Lucas Hedges dark movie two-pack. Lucas Hedges Valentine's Day special. And he'd be coming off Lady Bird. He was the prince of A24 at this time, too. Maybe he was busy. Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or somebody else for director's commentaries here? DB doing Hereditary. Yeah.

I see you, Miss Joanie. For decades, you've been preparing the path for King Paimon, and now he's finally here. You've gotten rid of Charlie and destroyed the Graham family so that Paimon can take his preferred male form. And now it's time. Look to the northwest, Miss Joanie. Hell is coming. We see you, ma'am. I thought for sure you were going to have her address Paimon. And then otherwise you could do Collinsworth.

Oh, Mike, see, this is why you don't stick your head out the window when you're going down the highway. That's rookie stuff. I have a new entry for this. Okay. Because watching WNBA finals, our guy Ryan Rucco. Here comes the telephone pole! Got it!

The telephone pole decapitation as a three-pointer is some of the best shit that's ever come out of this show. Breen going bang for every decapitation. Charlie needs the EpiPen. Bang! Got it! Half-assed research. Apparently... Wait, Chris and I have been working on the coward thing a little bit. Oh. Where I feel like coward the day after where he's like, the thing is with payment. Payment.

payment does not mess around you know that payment has a handle on the salary cap you know that payment is the master of his game payment is not the eighth king of hell he's the first king of hell and then he just stares at the camera after cut to jmac nodding good point great points colin

So they showed Hereditary in Australia accidentally to a movie theater full of families that had 40 children in it. And it was mistakenly shown. It was the trailer or the whole movie? The whole movie. And it went badly. There's an article about it you can find. So apparently Astor, an unnamed financier, fought about the final cut of the picture and he had to protect it. There's a lot of stuff on the internet about this. Seems like he was proven right.

He wrote, he was a, I'm writing detailed biographies and backstories of every character in the movie guy. Yeah. I like those guys. She's like, honey, what are you doing? I'm going to go to the coffee shop and just write down what Steve was up to. What did Steve do out of college? What was he, a therapist? He's a therapist, which is hilarious. Yes. He would have gotten my Vincent Chase if we had done that category.

Oh, that's good. If you're a therapist and you're living with Annie and you're not like, we gotta... Annie, let's take an hour here. Well, it seemed like he had some good instincts once upon a time because we know he put together a no contact policy with her mom. Yeah. Like he knew her mom was destructive, but for whatever reason, he was just like, ah, I guess it's okay. The composer Colin Stetson found inspiration for the score through the sounds of water and animals while walking around in pitch black night. He sounds fun.

To crawl inside the skin of Peter. Oh, we did that one.

Did you guys watch any of the cut scenes? No. In your internet research? I did not. The movie's over two hours. That's a cut off. Yeah. I don't need deleted scenes if your movie's over two hours. There's one of Peter goes up to the treehouse after Charlie's death to sleep where she used to sleep. Yeah. And he lies down and starts to fall off and he looks over and his mom's already there sleeping. Oh. And it really freaks him out and it starts the like his kind of

being really timid about her and like you're making that face on your fucking face on your face. Yeah, yeah. That's good. And you also imagine Peter would be pretty timid because his mom almost lit him on a fire. It's not what you want. Bang! Here comes the telephone pole! Got it! And Rebecca, that head's rolling around the highway. Apex Mountain.

Did you want to weigh in on that final call in regulation last night? What was the final call? He had a financial interest in that. Yeah, but just the liberty. It was an absolute Vince McMahon, David Stern called in. It really was. They were just collared 23 shots and zero free throws and got hacked on the final shot. It was outrageous. Apex Mountain, 824.

I would say probably everything, everywhere. Yeah, I agree. Agreed. Toni Collette? Yeah, I think that would probably be... I would say yes. Hmm, I don't think I looked enough at her career. I mean, it's definitely up there. Is this the part that she will be remembered for?

I would say Little Miss Sunshine only because it felt like that opened the door for a bunch of stuff for her. I think Little Miss Sunshine is a movie personally that I feel like has gotten kind of like lost to time a little bit. And I think I was just talking about what that did for her. Sure. Yeah. You know, I thought that was a really important movie for all the people on that. Carell. Carell. Paul Dano.

she's been a part of some big movies I mean you know she was a big part of Knives Out too you know like there's it's tough oh yeah I forgot that she's been pretty steady here for 25 years she's always good yeah 30 years Apex Mountain for nut allergies oh shit I'm not prepared for that one it's just like they're so conscientious about Charlie's nut allergy until they're like why don't you go to a party with your brother how did Culkin die in Bees Bees yeah yeah

That's a very painful death. That would be a good list. Apex Mountain for child movie deaths. Allergic reactions? Yeah. Oh, I mean, this is definitely the height of child movie death, except maybe the kid in Jaws. Do you want to do that? Let's do that unanswerable question right now, if you don't mind. That allergy attack, that's payment, right? That's not an allergy attack. That's payment. No, but they say later, the parent says, when the mom is making him feel bad, she says, you knew...

And isn't he like, you sent her with me? Yeah, when they're doing the shitting on each other. But isn't like, isn't payment compelling her to go have the cake because he wants out? See, this is what I mean. Once you move into hell, you can make up. Yeah, he's responsible for the peanut allergy. It's the same thing with like, did the cult put the deer there?

Same. Yes. Great point. Because the Colt obviously knew the telephone pole significance because it has the impression. That is like a real, like a bunch of things have to happen the right way. Then you get into fate. You know, Satan moves in mysterious ways. That's right. That's how you end up there. And Rogers is your quarterback. I really feel like he's payment. I feel like payment Rogers. The final stage, like the ultimate manifestation of this curse.

We need to break it. If Aaron Rodgers showed up tomorrow with nose padding on, would you be surprised? Does it end ultimately in him being decapitated on television by TJ Watt? With your outfits of light, it might happen. The only other piece of internet research I had was that, oh, we already moved on to Apex Mountain. Give it to us anyway. One of Peter's friends is in the fucking cult.

One of the guys he's smoking weed with under the bleachers winds up being in the cult. Oh, interesting. Like we see him later? Yeah, it's just like the idea that they're like, everything that they do is basically like the cult has their fingerprints on it. Beheading scenes. I had that, Decapitations. I think it is Apex Mountain. What else is in the running? There's a really great one in Akira Kurosawa's Ron. That is a good one. How about Black Rain with Andy Garcia? There you go. I would say this one. This one has three characters.

The telephone pole is the best one. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. The piano wire is gnarly. Also, I love that you can hear the head hitting the floor, even though the camera's on Peter. I like that. Alex Wolff, yes. Gabriel Byrne? No. Usual Suspects? Yeah. Miller's Crossing. Somewhere in the 90s. Yeah. Dating Ellen Barkin. Evil Treehouses? No.

That's about as bad as it goes for a treehouse. I'm trying to think of another evil treehouse. There's an evil treehouse in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice in movie theaters right now. Yeah. Good Son's a good one. Discovering your dad's charred body and then decided to make coffee first before you call the police. It's Apex Mountain for that. For me. Seances, no. Beheading yourself with piano wire, definitely. Utah? Probably the jazz making the final. Is it set in Utah? It's never explained. It's never explained. Yeah.

This is going to be good. Cruz or Hanks? So remember, we can have either of these guys at any points of their career for this. I have Hanks as Steve. I think it's Hanks as Steve too. I agree. Can I give you young, early 80s, all right moves Cruz as Peter? Yes, you can do that. I think that's the answer. Craig, you'd be a tiebreaker.

You can get an early 80s Tom Cruise. It's a tiebreaker if we both said Hanks. Hayden and Peter. There's three of us here. I think Hanks. I think it's Hanks. Sorry, Bill. No, listen. I want Hanks to win every time. You're so competitive. I just want it for Hanks. I think he needs it. Can you move the scale like sliding on the timeline?

For what? Like, can you go young Cruz and young Hank? He's saying like outsiders Cruz. But I'm saying like, is that part of the question every time? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Because sometimes there's not a part for those guys. So you have to get a little more creative. Racehorse, Rock Band, Wrestler, or Fantasy Team Name. I'll give you Hereditary just as a horse. King Payman or Eight Kings of Hell as a Fantasy Team Name. What if you just named your racehorse Payman?

I think Peter Payman would be a pretty good horse name. Or Peter Payman. Peter Payman. Is Payman an actual satanic name or did they make it up for the movie? No, it's real. It's real, yeah. It's real in so much as they're like a bunch of a cult. I like Hereditary as a horse name. Okay, picking nits. I have a bunch of them, but why don't you guys go and then I'll wait. Does Pete smoke too much weed?

Like, it seems like they would be on top of that a little bit, maybe. You know, I know legalization has swept the country, but he's smoking a lot of bulls. And I think it's affecting his judgment.

He's smoking in his room, so they must know. His sister did get beheaded on his watch. Are you shaming him for smoking weed? I just think that it's almost weirdly like this thing he does that keeps him in a haze. You wonder if payment is sort of affecting him in that way. I couldn't tell if he's like the school dealer because his friends all seem to want to hang out with him to smoke a bowl. It's a good point. CR's like, back in my day, we binge drank. And then it was like, who's sober enough to drive us home? And we throw the keys to Kenny.

That's right. Who's the Mark Sanchez of my group? Does, does Annie just forget that Joni is close friends with her mom? No, she doesn't know. But how does she not know? I feel like I had that as a picking name. I know her mother's secretive. Her mom's there. They're in the same thing. She's going to run into that lady at some point.

Like, oh, that's Joan. She's like in the neighborhood. I mean, I think that the idea is that Annie and her mother have a pretty fractitious relationship and that she may not be like all over her, you know? Okay. Here's my biggest nitpick. How did Annie even get married? What a fucking nightmare she is. Can you imagine being like, yeah, Gabriel Burns, like, yeah, I met somebody. Who is it? Well, she's a little bit of a handful. Mom's definitely a little nuts.

And she makes model houses and has meltdowns and everyone in her family died of something terrible. I think she does quite well for herself though, right? The model houses, the Archer Gallery is all over her. The implication is the sex had to be just incredible. He's like, I'm going to overlook all the family deaths and your crazy mom because holy shit, you rocked my world last night. Annie, I'm coming back for more. Oh my God, dude. The implication is that Annie...

Annie and Steve are fuck bunnies like they are just so into it with each other that he as a therapist is willing to overlook her clear relationship to demonic possession yes sometimes the sex can be that good really good take okay is that your coach Finstock life lesson well if the sex is good enough you will allow the eighth king of hell to enter your life Steve's overlooking a lot yeah

Like a lot. Including her mother sobbing when it's not a son. Apparently also the mother possibly breastfeeding the daughter. Yeah. Steve's like, wow, that's weird. Alright, I'm going to go to work. I should be home by 5.30. He's like, I'm going to go watch the Jazz. Jazz Nuggets. Local rivalry kind of. It's Karolinko night. They're doing bobbleheads. Battle in Mountain Time Zone.

Is the implication that Annie's mom has already accumulated some wealth because she has devoted herself to payment? Yeah. She gets to be this artist. Annie gets to be this artist. Oh, family money? Because she comes from family money. No, I think... Say ads, cover charges. I think that the idea is the reason they need payment to come through is to get stock tips. Okay.

Okay. All right. Yeah. All right. That's good. Yeah. He's like the Jordan. Yeah. Sports gambling craze is coming. Yeah. He's got super boost. Yeah. It's like Dodgers, Yankees. Yeah. Lock it down. It's like, you got to pull away. Yeah. Ionescu is going to go one for 19. Take it to the bank. Uh,

Why would Annie want Peter to take Charlie to a high school hangout picnic when the kid's like 13? Like that's the evil spirit intervenes on that one? Sometimes you want your kids out of your house, right? Yeah. I guess, but go play in the tree house. Well, she doesn't want her house. Maybe the cult people are up there. Yeah. That scene is, it gets into like whether or not, like how much culpability Annie has with that and like whether she was like kind of just like get this kid out of here. I have two big ones.

Why didn't Peter lock his bedroom door at night with fucking multiple locks? I don't think it works. After the paint thinner thing, I'm like, mom, no offense, but I went to the Home Depot. That's another thing is that Steve seems to- And I put three locks on my door. And when I go to bed at night, all of those doors, all of them is going to be locked. So I'll just see you in the morning.

Done. That would be a great Home Depot ad campaign. The Home Depot. Don't end up like Peter. Protect yourself from demons. That's a good stuff. The Home Depot. They're a sponsor today, actually. I know. I love the Home Depot. Thank you for keeping the demons out of our homes. Yeah.

This is my big one, though. And this is a passion point of my wife with this movie. Why didn't Peter get arrested? At least bring him in for questioning. Well, do they? There's only one mention of the cops when Steve's like, we got to call the police. And she's like, the police can't help us. But are we to take it that there was no investigation into the car accident? Was he drinking? He was. But he was definitely inebriated. Yeah. They're definitely bringing him in. Yeah.

He's like back at school shortly after. And it's like, hey, Annie, this is Charlie's teacher. Charlie hasn't been in for the last few days. Well, Charlie got decapitated four nights ago, so she's not coming in.

Not telling the police about that. Nothing. This just comes and goes. Decapitated little girl. Like no newspaper coverage. You've done a really good job. Salt Lake Tribune not on this. Bringing teenager father energy to this pod. The girl's head got chopped off. Yeah. It's tough. What would that do to her find my iPhone thing? That's a really good point. Probably still want her pocket, right? Here comes the telephone! Got it!

That's a good one. Oh, God. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. I think there's a prestige TV case for this. And we've kind of seen versions of it on Netflix, like sanitized, scary,

What's that guy's name? Mike whatever. Flanagan. Mike Flanagan. Sanitize scary? Is that a seventh category? Well, it's just you're dragging it out so you get like eight, nine, ten episodes. Slow scary. Slow burn scary. I did find myself having the lizard brain reaction after watching it last night of just like, I would watch the reign of payment. Like I would watch the next movie about what happens to payment inside of Peter's body. The hard part about it is it's like, who's even against payment? Because they've cut out all the like...

you know everybody in that family is dead except for it's just joe douglas and woody johnson that's it it's like does payment go back to school the next day does payment show up like team wolf like i'm pleased to introduce our new general manager payment i think payment had to take a few days off after repeatedly slamming his head against the school desk yeah but does he show up does he wear the crown to school

Oh, he's just like owning it? It's like Teen Wolf. Do you think Steve and Annie ever got it on while payment was inside of Annie?

Oh. Like, was there any, like, demon sex? No, Paimon's only in there for a few minutes. Yeah. And it's after Steve gets burned alive. It's only a few minutes? Yeah. I thought the implication is that he's like, because, you know, you see the light throughout this movie, the light kind of flickering around. The blue light, yeah. He's kind of, like, jumping in and out of people at times. Oh, I didn't notice that this time. And, like, what if Paimon was like, I really gotta get this out of my system, you know, and Steve looks tasty tonight. Horny Paimon. Yeah, horny Paimon, yeah.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harley Mays, evil laughing Roman, Ramon Raymond, or Phil Baker hall. Um,

I think there's a Sam Jackson case for like being the teacher. Yeah. Here, please, motherfucker! Fate! Talking about fate. Just mix him into this for no reason at all. Payment, motherfucker! Do you speak? Yeah. There are seven other kings, motherfucker! It would also be good if Harling Mays was one of Peter's friends. And Peter's like, dude, last night I decapitated my sister and he was just like, open up for the banana boat, big dog. Yeah.

Banana boat's coming. Your sister's head's covered in ants. Banana boat time. Oh, boy. Just one Oscar. What's the cigarette? That's the cigarette dipped in cocaine. That's the banana boat? Yeah. Well, he only smokes bowls, but still. Just one Oscar who gets it. Colette, right? Tony, yeah. Yeah. I think so. Probably unanswerable questions. Do you get what you deserve if you do a seance? I think is an unanswerable question that deserves to be mentioned. Mm-hmm.

I have a lot of questions about the eight kings of hell. Me too. Do they divide territory and conquer? Do they work together? Are there little factions within the eight kings? Why do we need eight? Do you think like the other seven were like, I don't want to live in Utah. Yeah. Give that to Bob. Yeah. Give it to Bob. No, Bob's got the, he's got that whole side of the country, whole West coast. These are good questions. I don't have the answers. You're well studied on Satanism. Um,

I think that... What does that mean? I've watched a lot of movies about it. I do wonder about what the seven other kings are up to. And also, on the work chart, where's Peyton? How many rungs of management below Satan is he? Is he more of a head of content or more of an editorial director? That's right, yeah. Is he a director of player personnel? Is he a GM? Yeah. Is he a...

executive vice president? Is Damon an SCA or a clutch guy? Owner's son? More of an editor at large, you know, like he just kind of roams. That's all I had for an answer. We hit everything else. Yeah, I was just also like, at the end of the movie when Joni is kind of like, bring us good fortune and good familiars.

I'm just curious what Paimon's, like, what does Paimon do the next day? I guess this is more of an Andy rant. That's what I'm saying. I want to see the reign of Paimon. I want to see, like, how he enacts his power when he's in Peter's body. Do you think Ari Aster thought about a possible, like, cult sex scene and cut it out? Because it was too much of a right turn. If you've seen Midsommar, you know that's interesting. That's where he got it out. Best double feature choice? The Ice Storm?

I had Exorcist 3, just to shout Exorcist 3 out. It's a really good possession movie. Yeah. Well, Craig did note that I had the ultimate...

double feature with the Jets game last night. That there could not be two more demonic possessions more powerful. But I think the reason that I think this movie is funny is I think it's really even though he doesn't cite it I think it's really really connected to Rosemary's Baby which is like a harrowing and scary movie but also kind of hilarious and especially the final scene of Rosemary's Baby is very funny. Yeah. And

I think he's trying to operate in a similar register, so I would pick that movie. He's got his father's eyes! Bing! Andy Redson, what new word? What happened the next day? We talked about, like, did Payman go to school the next day, I think. Is it like Boy in the Plastic Bubble? I was mostly obsessed with the idea of what happens when the gardener comes over.

Hey! I'm seeing multiple decapitated bodies up in the treehouse. Is that like a fertilizer thing? Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I'm going with nothing, which I think is the first time I've ever answered that. I think Peter's nose padding. I'm good. That's become like a Halloween costume. The miniatures are pretty cool. I'm good. I don't want anything from this movie. I don't want any of its stink in my house. You don't want the Joanie's chalkboard? Nothing. What if you could have the telephone pole thing?

implanted in front of your home. No. Okay. Nothing. Not one thing. That would be awesome if that was the only Halloween decoration you had was the hereditary phone pole. Just people posing with their head next to it. Oh my God. Coach Finstock Award. Best life lesson. Bring an EpiPen. How about move out if your mom tried to kill you with paint thinner and then was like, oh, my bad. I'm out.

I'm going to Uncle Bob's house or whoever. I'm out. It sounds like the entire family was down bad because Uncle Bob was dead. I think one of the lessons is... I can't go to Uncle Bob's house. He's killed himself. It's important to build a strong community. I feel like the cultists did a good job. They actually just executed on the plan really well in this movie. And they also saw the long game. Yeah, they were very patient. Now, that is an unanswerable question we forgot to mention, which is why did they wait so long

to try to make the shift from Charlie to Peter. That's unaddressed. I don't know what the answer to that is. Maybe they wanted Peter to hit a certain level of maturity. That's how I feel about Drake May. Would you breastfeed Drake May?

better run a Russian better run a Russian payment or drink bank let's take our time I know Mayo's not the long term coach for him but let's let's just try not to get him hurt you're already out yeah you think you're gonna be able to get Ben Johnson in the off season don't want Ben Johnson don't want to play color what? what do you want? Mayo's not going anywhere we get three years of Mayo okay seems like you're really excited about it it's gonna be terrible who won the movie Ari Aster 100% Ari Aster

Ari Aster, because of... I thought you would say A24. That would be a good answer. I think they were kind of already off and running by the time this movie came around, but...

I don't know if you've even seen Bo is Afraid, but Bo is Afraid is such a crazy movie that was made because of the success of this movie. That like it is so unusual because that movie cost $35 million. That's like a blank check. Yeah. It's a crazy thing that he pulled off of that movie. And it's because this movie did so well. So I think because of that, he got to get this three movie run of weirdness. And now next year he's got Western Eddington. That's his next movie.

I think you guys are right. Shout out to Toni Collette, though, because I bet she needed this for the IMDb. She's awesome. Well, this is going to get dark again because we're going to ask producer Craig, who hates horror movies, what he thought of Hereditary. I think this movie is sick and it's for sickos and I don't think this movie should exist and I think Ari Aster should be in jail. He shouldn't be allowed to direct any more movies. Did you think it was funny? No. No.

This is the most horrifying shit I've ever seen in my life. And we shouldn't make movies like this. This is not good for society. So you haven't seen Midsommar yet? No, and I won't. Unless you make me, I won't. People shouldn't see these types of movies. That's my take. Midsommar in the first eight minutes is like, seriously, man, what the fuck? Yeah. And it works. It works really well. Midsommar's opening act might be sadder than the end of Hereditary. Yes.

I had a feeling you were going to like it. Wait, was this your first watch of this movie? Yeah. He was watching it in the office when I came in. He was just like, I'm not really paying attention to this. I can't do it.

Yeah, I've been forced to watch more horror movies because of the rewatchables than I've seen in my life. Like 10 times the amount. I've probably seen... I like movies like The Shining and Sons of the Lambs. Yeah. As you were talking about at the start of the show, that's kind of in a different bucket. Yeah. This type of horror movie, I actually think should not be made. You probably have a workers' comp claim at this point. It's an HR violation. Do you think a movie can be genuinely evil? Well, I mean, we talked about that with Poltergeist, which had some weird shit happen to it. The Exorcist is probably the closest.

I think that really fucked with people. Yeah. And even now, like people go to the stairs and they get freaked out by it. It's probably the closest, right? What do you think?

Yeah, like when I think of The Exorcist, obviously there's a lot of terrifying things that happen in Reagan's room. But the things that I'm most scared of is very similar to the stuff I'm most scared of in this movie, like the spinal tap. Like when the spinal tap is happening in The Exorcist and you're just like, we don't know it's a supernatural film really. You just think that there's something really wrong with this girl. And they show us that like the medical world can't solve it, even going to the farthest reaches of science. Yeah.

The same thing is true in this movie. Like when she's in the therapy scene or when they're at the funeral and she's giving the eulogy. And she's like, my mother was a cold woman or whatever. Yeah, and she's like, she had secrets. It's so interesting seeing all of these new faces and you're just like, God, this is fucking upsetting. And I do think there's something in this movie that is kind of ineffably dark that sticks with you. I would like to see a hereditary sequel that had Payman versus Pazuzu from Exorcist.

Two of the greats. A little Bird Jordan, you know? Hereditary 8, Payment vs. Pazuzu. That would be pretty good. I do wonder if I could condition myself how many horror films I would need to watch where I started to like them, you know? I think you're either in or out. You're also watching them in not ideal circumstances. But I'm doing that on purpose. I would never put this movie on at 10 p.m. on a Saturday night. So you weren't given these movies as a kid?

No. Because I think that's really the key. Given by my parents? Yeah, like you have to watch like... You have to be indoctrinated. Kind of like how Peter's family indoctrinated him into the Debson Pell. If under the age of 10, you're shown something that is gateway and fucked up, you're more likely to be interested. That's why I showed my kids Halloween before they were six. That was actually an act of love. Don't you think we've gotten too... The filmmaking is too good now. Exorcist and Halloween...

and Poltergeist, the way they're filmed, the way they look, they're palatable. Well, you're just saying that because that's an earlier time. But when you're watching Hereditary, you're like, this could be my family. Yes. And I know that in the moment when they watched Exorcist, they didn't feel like it was dated. However, I don't think we will look back on Hereditary 30 years from now and say, this filmmaking style is dated. This doesn't look real. I disagree. Right.

Yeah, because I think like my version of that, I've talked about this before, is Scream. And Jack's wearing the Scream t-shirt right now. Scream, I was 14 when it came out. And when it came out, even though that's a super self-aware and funny movie,

I was scared out of my wits watching that movie. And you might have said that that movie is so different from Halloween. But just like each generation, the movies change a little bit. The energy, the tone changes. The way that it looks changes a little bit. But that's what I mean when I say, like, if you see this at a young age, the whole genre will, like, stick to you forever. And if you don't see them at a young age or you're, you know, shielded from them, it's impossible to get involved at, like, 25 in horror movies. I agree with that. I just think Hereditary will be scary 30 years from now for somebody who watches it for the first time. Yeah. But...

Halloween or The Exorcist might not be- You don't think The Exorcist would be scary in 30 years? I still think it's scary. No, I'm saying I don't think The Exorcist is scary right now for a 25-year-old in the way that Hereditary was. Yeah, because it's been, it's like pro wrestling. It's like Jimmy Snuka jumping off the top rope seemed amazing in 1982. I think we've reached a level of filmmaking where aging worse, the curve has slowed. We talked about this when we did The Exorcist pod of, I don't know how many years ago that was.

that how dated it was but it was still fucking scary yeah but it was just people were lining up for the exorcist the same i mean it's it's not that dissimilar from when we were talking about blair witch where it's like there is a almost suspension of disbelief to the point of like did this happen and people were watching exorcist and having their like worldview changed i think there's a small piece of the puzzle too which is like you you're never going to see the exorcist for the first time on a big screen at this point

And most of these movies that we're talking about, when you see them at a young age, you're seeing them in that environment. Like you guys are having the Blair Witch conversation and you guys both saw it probably at the same screening in the same movie theater. It's crazy. And that was electrifying. Sierra and I might have been in the same place like four times in the late 90s, early 2000s. It's very possible. They could make a When Harry Met Sally about us, you know? It's like there's Bill or Sierra, both at the model and also. Just kind of someday we find each other. And you did.

Sierra, great to see you. Sean, great to see you. Produced by Craig Horlbeck. As always, check us out on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel where you can watch all these scary movies. Scary month concludes next week and I don't know what we're doing. So stay tuned.