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The Rewatchables, brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find Higher Learning. Yo, yo. Midnight Boys. Pew, pew. The Watch. Yeah. You can find The Rewatchables, Scary Month. This is our last edition, and I wanted to do Halloween 4, The Return of Michael Myers. And there's a lot of reasons why, but let's play the trailer first. Ten years ago, Halloween, evil had a shape. No.

All right, C.R. and Vanner here. How do you keep a horror movie franchise going?

after you've murdered the protagonist of the movie. This was a question of the '80s. There's money at stake. We fucked up. We shouldn't have ended that last movie that way. What do we do?

And in the eighties and the early nineties, the answer was, ah, fuck it. Maybe they won't remember what we did. Let's bring it back. And that's Halloween four. We had a much different relationship to franchises. We made a lot fewer questions back then. Really? No question. We had no internet. We had no podcasts. We had no real analysis. We didn't hold things against people. We weren't rewatching stuff a million times. Um,

Somehow he lived. Van, he was stabbed in the eye with a wire hanger. He was shot 11 times. He was shot in both eyes at the end of Halloween 2. Both eyes. Done. Blind. Just flailing around. Blown up. Burned to death.

Burned to death. Saw it. Saw the mask burning. Then went in a 10-year coma even though he was already dead. Kept all of his muscle and his eyesight. Much like Steven Seagal in I think it was above the law. Hard to kill. Hard to kill. In a coma but it was immediately when he did Tai Chi again. Hard to kill and he had a lot of acupuncture though. It's true. He still knows how to drive even though he never learned because he had been locked up since age six. He still knows how to get everywhere with no map and no navigation system. And...

Still knows how to turn off electricity phones and power lines. Yeah. He's back, baby.

So with a lot of these guys, they started as slashers and then they turned supernatural. Yeah. But they always give you an explanation as to why they turned supernatural. In Halloween, they never do. I was asking CR about this. They get into it in six. In six. Well, the four, five, six are called the Thorn Trilogy, where they try to come up with this supernatural mythology around Myers. And let's just say it did not work. I mean, you watch them and...

He is, I mean, he's like, he's got the instincts, right? Like, I'm looking at him and he actually should have, like, played football. Like Drake May. Yeah, he's got the instincts. Yeah.

It's like, look at him scramble. Look at Byers. Look at him navigate the roof. This guy has it all. You know, he steps up in the pocket. He steps up in the house. He steps up behind something. He's behind something. Flips through the forehead. He knows exactly the way to kill. You give him something, he turns it into a kill. He stabs it through. You blunt. Give him any object. Yeah, if he's at a garage, he's going to use the tools he's got in. Shotgun? What do I do with this? I have an idea.

take you, throw you into the electricity and you end up burnt up in the whole night? I think you bring up a really good point though, which is that this person

franchise in particular, but you could make the argument for a bunch of the things that came out in 1988, which was a banner year for late period horror franchises. And shameless sequels. Yeah, we had Nightmare on Elm Street 4, The Dream Master. We had Friday the 13th Part 7, The New Blood. We also had Halloween 4, obviously, and then they kicked off Child's Play and Hellraiser 2 happened that year. So it was a lot of the big banner horror movies.

We run our franchises so much differently now, like where it's just this meticulous Easter egging and connections and everything's building up to this. And Halloween's the one that I kind of wish we could have had a do over on. I couldn't agree more. Even though I love so many of these movies and even have a huge soft spot for three. Yeah. If they had been like, how do we want to roll this out over the years?

I think it would just be like unquestionably the heavyweight champ of all-time horror franchises. You know what happened? Friday the 13th, what'd you say? It was the seventh one in 1988? Yeah, it was New Blood. So the first one was 1980. So think about that. They're basically making one a year. And in each one, the guy dies, but then somehow comes back. And probably the Halloween producers at some point were like,

What are we doing? There's money out there. Let's bring Myers back. Well, we can't. He burned to death and got shot in both eyes. They're like, ah. And they just did it. You know what we've lost in the movies now? We don't have the desire now to necessarily kill the demon at the end of the movie. Yeah. The horror movies now seem to be more about how the people...

that are in the horror movies escape their torment. Yes. Rather than how they thwart the demon thing at the end. Because even like Scream, right? It's almost as if Ghostface is a totem, a mantle that different people will pick up when they need to kind of... It lives forever. Yeah. But whereas Michael Myers, Freddy, Jason, these are dudes. They pretty much in Scream did the thing that as an amateur, like...

internet sleuth of unproduced Halloween screenplays and, you know, summaries of those screenplays. Scream pretty much does what a couple of the Halloween movies that didn't get made by Carpenter and others suggested, which was that it's not Michael Myers who just keeps getting up out of the mineshaft or out of the explosion. It's this

evil that like will infect different people in different ways and sometimes they can wear the mask or sometimes they can just which i think is what they try to do at the end of this movie because she has a moment of myers it's one of the best moments of the franchise yeah they they just they just like basically skip it or not skip it but they rewrite it in five because it's a big that's a big swing oh my god the kid's a gigantic swing useless most useless person in any

horror franchise ever, Loomis, just ridiculously useless. Are we doing this now? Oh, God, I hate it. Come on. Always hate him. Always, always hate him. Did Loomis replace Vincent Chase? Wow. One of the most, a dude who essentially exists just to warn people and not really do shit about it. Yeah. You've never seen anything like this. You're going to help us out? I will be getting a donut.

He's kind of like the Myers hype man. It's like Bundini Brown for Myers. This guy's a killing machine. You don't understand what he is. I think a lot of that is like, what can Donald Pleasance feasibly do? You know what I mean? He can walk into rooms and be like, Michael Myers is back.

But they can't have him do kung fu against Michael Myers. I get it, but should he be testifying before the Senate? We got to hold on because I have so many questions about where Dr. Loomis' jurisdiction begins and ends. Right. Well, the big thing with Loomis, it's autopilot. I'm getting paid in cash, Dr. Loomis, in this one, where every line that he's ripping off, it just feels like he's

He's just like, all right, fine. We're not talking about a normal prisoner Hoffman. We're talking about evil on two legs. He's a man. He's evil. But just say he's not even, his heart's not even in it anymore. Like you think when we did the Halloween pod originally a couple of years ago, we talked about like, he had these brilliant monologues in it. And he just, these ways of spinning stuff. And he was like,

I looked in his eyes, the blackest eyes, the devil's eyes. And we're like, oh shit. Yeah. Now, and then this, he's just evil on two legs. I want to ask why you like this one. Cause I have my reasons, but I'm curious. Cause I think this is you, you, you talked about it on guess the lines as like a comedy almost. And there are some funny parts of it, but I find, I think this is a really effective, I think it's got some really scary scenes. It's on cable a lot. It almost other than Halloween one was probably the most,

rerun movie. I'm sure it's not going to be on AMC and all these other ones over the next couple days. Super easy watch. It doesn't really have any dead spots. It's ridiculous, but not completely over-the-top ridiculous. I really like how charismatic Myers is in this. I wrote down some things I enjoyed. How he climbs and walks the roof Undertaker-style, like when the Undertaker used to walk on the top rope. He drives a truck from the gas station. He's like, fuck it.

Maybe in the mental hospital. I don't know. Maybe they learned how to do stick shift. Yeah, he learned how to release the clutch. I like when he does, he kills the guy and then he does, he gets in the recliner and pretends he's the guy. This little subterfuge before his murder. He's really, he's gone to the next level. I like when he tosses the furniture out of the way when he's in the attic. He's just like throwing boxes. And the pickup truck move.

When he hides under the pickup truck, pulls up, climbs on the sides, throws the windshield. It's some really good athletic Meyer stuff. That's what I'm saying. I think he did well in the combine this year. He's the Aaron Donald of slashers. Right. He can throw. He can explode. He can beat the double team mentally. The Aaron Donald of slashers. First of all, I care about this one because this is the first one that I ever saw. This is the first Halloween movie I ever saw.

And to me, this one is a very pure representation of who Myers is. He's just a force...

He wants to kill this little girl. You don't even really need to know the reason why he needs to kill. He just is. Yeah. He just is, and he will not be stopped. And everybody else just kind of gets caught in the way of his vendetta against this one person for one reason, and it's going to have a high body count. The other thing, Chris, is I like, you know, the big theme of this is this kid comes from Haddonfield and kills his sister and becomes this legendary story in the town.

And then he comes back in 1978, kills a bunch of babysitters, a bunch of people. Now it's like, he's like basically Aaron Rogers against the bears in the 2000s, 2010s. It's kind of fouled to do that about Sean here, but yeah. Yeah. Like just, it's like he owns Haddonfield and even when they have Halloween every year,

He's still kind of... His shadow's kind of lurking. Yes. So as soon as it's like clear that he might come back, you have this vigilante mob who's just getting drunk at some bar and they're like, oh, boom. And they're fucking out and they're trucks with guns. Like, I like the idea of somebody tormenting a town like that. Yeah, and I also think that they do a really good job in this movie in a subtle way. This movie's not so subtle in some other ways, but the...

The idea that Haddonfield is the real star of this franchise. And that when this town starts to forget... Even though it's filmed in Salt Lake City this time. Haddonfield, quote unquote. Just leaves dumped on the street. Why couldn't they go back to the original place? What the fuck? I don't know. Tax credits. The idea that basically as soon as this town forgets, even with the Sasha Jensen character, Brady...

Yeah. And she's like, you remember Michael Myers? And he's like, who's that? Like it's 10 years ago. He would have been like, you know, seven years old, but he's like grown up in a world where that's like kind of an urban legend. I love the idea that they keep going back to this and that like the town is somehow culpable of it. And it happens in multiple movies where, uh,

a girl will be running up the streets like screaming help help and nobody comes out of their houses like there is some like it's the town's fault I'm telling you he's here he's in this town I like what you said there

About the missed opportunities. You said it like three, four minutes ago. About like, if we could just go back in time and redo this franchise correctly, I feel like it's unassailably the best one. Yeah. Even like if they even fucked up with this. Like they probably should have created a new Myers heading to four. Like, fuck it, let's bring it back. But the little girl, like I feel like that for Halloween 5 with the little girl, like they could have just...

gone that direction with what maybe she becomes Michelle Myers. And there has been basically like there was a script or at least a pitch of Jamie is now the evil. And it's like, how are we going to extract the evil from Jamie? Or is this like a disease that she has? And like,

there's Jamie the killer ideas floating out there I think what you basically get is the first two so obviously Carpenter does the first one it's this iconic never to be repeated masterpiece yeah then you have two which is made by Carpenter Disciple and very much like Carpenter is involved in that movie

Dan likes that one because it's just a lot of nudity. Going crazy. But I also like it. He essentially, that's like an extension of John Carpenter, right? He taps that guy to do it. He doesn't want to do it. He has some other things. The mythology behind the series, to me, is as interesting as the movies themselves. Yes. And then so three happens. Which I had never seen until, I had never seen it ever. I watched it this weekend when I was watching this one and I kind of like what they did. And for me, 50%. You like three. Well,

I liked it. First of all, I love like those types of horror films. I've talked about them a lot, but like, I like the fact that they tried to get away from it. They tried to do something. They tried to do something different. And they tried to come up with an idea of like, what if Halloween could be essentially an umbrella that we could throw all these like horror ideas under. Right. And for me,

51% of why I like these movies is Michael and the Strode family drama and all that stuff. But 49% of it is vibes. That's why I hate 5 is because it feels the least vibey consistently. I do like seeing them float down the river at the beginning, but after that... But that almost feels like footage from 5.

four that they used. You know what I mean? Like five is like more or less like it looks like they shot in Fresno. It just doesn't have any like Halloween feel like the town doesn't feel like Haddonfield. But this one actually like especially the opening credit sequence in four really just like super Halloween. You made this point in the Halloween pod we did that

It's one of like how many movies that you have to watch at a specific time every year. It's incredible. We talked about it extensively about like, I've watched Halloween every year. I've started making my kids watch it when they were five. We went to the Halloween houses. Oh yeah. I would just, the two scenes that you can't watch, we would just skip over them. My wife and I watch horror movies together. I told her I was doing four. She was like, I love four. She was a kid when she saw them. So Daniel Harris was like, she was closer to Daniel Harris's age than she was Jamie Lee Curtis's or whatever. Right.

So she has this soft spot, especially for four. But we were watching four, and as soon as it comes on,

And it's like the ghost hanging from the tree, the pumpkins, the weird fields, the leaves blowing. She's like, I feel like so Halloweened out right now. Like I'm so in the zone and this movie immediately put me there. It's perfect. Because it's the soundtrack and the imagery. There's a couple of Christmas movies, right? Like Christmas Vacation. Home Alone. Some people have Die Hard even though it's not a Christmas movie. Home Alone. 34th Street. I mean, I'm old, so It's a Wonderful Life I still will watch and all that stuff like that. Yeah, but there's not that many –

it's this time of year. We always said Jaws at the beginning of the summer. It felt like right around July. Yeah, yeah. It's time to watch, what was the mayor's name? Brody. No, not Brody. It's, uh,

We compared... In the first pod we did, we compared the Mervon. Mervon? Yeah, Mervon. We compared Mervon to the Sheriff in Halloween 1. Because Loomis is just like, look, this guy, he's got the blackest eyes ever. He's Satan. He's evil. He's come to kill everybody. And the guy's like, more fancy talk. He's just not listening to him at all. Doesn't put the word out. I like the Sheriff in this one. It's just like, oh, shit. A man of action. I like this movie...

because, and I've always felt this way, you can watch this movie in like however way you want to. Like I can watch this movie as a comedy and me and my brother, we used to. Every Loomis scene is hilarious. Every Loomis scene is hilarious. And every Kelly Meeker scene is incredible. And oftentimes when Michael Myers pops up,

It's kind of funny. Yeah. It's like when Michael Myers, like they're running around and I'm like, oh my God, Michael, Mike has no emotion. Yeah. Mike is like, I'm back, bitch. Yeah. Like he just, and every, when he pops up sometimes and it's, it's so funny. They're so helpless. Yeah. And they're, they're so scared.

He's showing no emotion. There's nothing that they can do. When old boy from Dazed and Confused is trying to load the gun. Brady, yeah. When Brady's trying to load the gun, I'm dying laughing. It's so funny. Like, Brady, you're fucked, bro. Yeah. Like, Brady, run.

Just give him your head so he can twist it. Brady, you need to run. Like, you're fucked if you stay here. And Brady ends up... That scene is... That kill is so funny because you're like, oh, he's going over the railing. He's definitely going over the railing. He's going to throw him over the railing. He's like, nope, he's just going to crunch his skull. Yeah.

I always felt like there was a copycat thing they could have done. Yeah. Where Myers dies, but somebody became obsessed with the murder. That's what Scream does. That's kind of what Halloween 4, 5, 6 should have been to me. They get caught in between because essentially what you could do is you could have just made Halloween over and over again. And honestly, I would go and the producer of this movie, Mustafa Akkad, like he...

I think is obviously like probably a... Given the amount of scripts that get thrown out, a difficult person to work for. But on the other hand, this is what Halloween is and this is what Halloween movies should be and this is why people keep coming back to them. And the reason is that you have a guy terrorizing a babysitter. Essentially, they create that. They have a new Halloween setup in this movie. But they also are getting pulled to like...

I think Loomis is the thing that it's like he's the one who remembers all of the movies. So every time you have Loomis in there, he's like, he's back. Yeah. His eyes, you know, like shot him eight times. But it's almost like you could just keep making Friday the 13th over and over again. And it's like another group of kids go to Camp Crystal Lake and have no idea what they're getting into. But also they're in, which is interesting at this time, they're in a franchise war as well.

They're in a franchise war. Which is why we had this movie. Against Friday the 13th. They're in a franchise war. They got young upstarts, Hellraisers coming along. Later on, the Leprechauns going to come in. They're in a franchise race against these big, huge horror characters.

movies and the mythology of the one dude is like super important to all of those guys. You know what I mean? So you were a Myers guy. Sure. Over Jason. Yes. Over Freddie. Yes. The only competition for me is Leatherface. Kruger to me was the funniest.

He was the most terrifying. Like I was telling Chris outside the Freddie scene where he's telling the people that they can't kill him. Yeah. And he cuts all of his fingers off. I've been stabbed, shot, blah, blah, blah. And I just keep coming back. He just was the man. He was the most charismatic out of all of them. But he was also the most verbose. The other guys didn't really talk. Myers checked the most boxes. He didn't talk though.

Super horny, always. It's dating back to Halloween 1. I think it really starts when he was like six and the premature ejaculator came over to hook up with his sister. And that really launched him into complete chaos. You mentioned the guy from Dazed and Confused, Sasha Jensen, who played Don Dawson. It's hilarious that he's in this movie. It's like this, there's Paul Rudd is in six. Some of the cameos are great. Death is in...

Nightmare 2. No, Debson Nightmare. No, I know. I'm saying like when you watch these movies and someone like legitimately either big or like was in a much better film. Kevin Bacon. Yeah. Friday. Yeah. Josh Harden. I can't believe this is happening. So this movie, when it came out, I remember...

My buddy Jeff, who was, you know, best man at my wedding, and we loved the Halloween movies, and we thought these were done. And then I was in college, he was in college. All of a sudden, the trailer came out. We were like, oh, my God. So we saw it same day and then had a call after. We were, like, a little disappointed. It was good, but we were like, eh, why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that? What do you think you didn't like about it? Was it the Jamie story? I think our hopes were just too high.

It had been some time since you had seen Michael Myers on a walk. Yeah, it had been since 81, right? So seven years. And we really had high expectations. The trailer was better than the movie. And we were really disappointed in Loomis, who just was a little bit of a mail-in job by Pleasance. But then as the years passed, it really grew on me. And I think if you're going to do the lineage correctly, you probably go 1, 2, H2O, H3.

The 2018 one. You're probably good with those four, but I still defend Halloween 4. Yeah, I go 1, 2, 4. Not in my ranking, but just like if you wanted to watch them. Just like how it should go. 1, 2, 4, and then maybe H2O, and then you should definitely watch 3 because it's just such a cool idea, I think. The problem with 4 is they kill off Laura Strode, and they don't explain it. So she was 18 in Halloween 1.

21 and Halloween 2 and somehow had a kid like right after that but then they make it seem like she died so yeah car crash right is that what they said it was I think so

Childbirth, death, drugs, parachute didn't open possibility. DUI, I don't know. But I don't know how four can relate to H2O if she's dead in four. Any of those things? I think in H2O, it's like she faked her death and got a new identity. But I don't know what happens with Jamie. I could blame Myers for it.

I could blame Myers for getting her liquored up. Yeah. I could blame Myers for... You're doing the Freddie thing again. Yeah. Any of those things, Myers could all be behind it. H2O was my favorite for a long time.

Because I was like, I was in high school and had, was it Cool Rappers were in it? It was Busta Rhymes. That's the one that's like the Big Brother house. You're thinking of LL Cool J and H2O. H2O. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like. Which is right in that teen movie era of Scream. And I know he did last summer, H2O. And then she's back. She's back in Michelle Williams, isn't it? Michelle Williams. So it's like. That's another great actor in a Hollywood franchise. And there's a great, there's a couple of really great kills in H2O.

H2O is good. Yeah, I like H2O. I like H2O. Anyway, there's belated respect for this movie and I think people now seem to feel like this is probably the best slasher movie of the mid-late 80s. Do you know what watching this movie basically does? Is it's the closest I get

to like the feeling I had when I would sneak into horror movies when I was a kid. Yeah. Where like, I didn't have very high expectations. I kind of wanted to see some sex and violence and cheap thrills. And then you go and you sit down and you watch this and you get

you just start laughing the second it's like only two people are picking up Michael Myers at the asylum. You know, it's just like, we're in for it, man. Like, not a SWAT team, not a prison convoy. This guy's responsible for 20 kills. Also, I had this for nitpicks later. Like, why was he being transferred? He's got to transfer him

The whole person talks about that. We get to it. But I just, the second it starts, you're like, leave him in the fucking wherever he is now where he's not coming up. But it's a dark and stormy night at a mental institution. And I'm like, this is great. This is such a great B movie experience. Also, this passes the Craig Horlbeck test. It's like 90 minutes. Might even be less. 88, I think. 88, yeah. It just cruises through. Yeah. He gets it done. There's no extra scenes. Um,

So the Thorn trilogy... Craig, did your dad have a Cops Do It By The Book t-shirt? If he didn't, I would be very upset. Oh, I can't wait to talk about that. Did you fill it out as well? I don't think so.

The Thorn trilogy was basically that Michael was a victim of the curse of Thorn, which is shown in Halloween five. It's there's a guy who shows up intermittently in five, a man in black who has a wrist tattoo. That's like an old rune. And it's the Thorn cult. It's this cult that basically said, if this person doesn't destroy his whole family, then all of us are going to die. So we need this person to just keep executing everybody. The whole cult dies. Yeah. Right. And,

And it was really stupid. People didn't like it. And by the time we got to H2O, we were like, let's start over. We fucked this up. $5 million budget made $17.8 million. Roger Ebert

No review. Yeah. Didn't touch this. Like, not on his TV show. No review? I couldn't find it. Oh. I checked out ChatGBT and they told me that Roger Ebert was notably critical of Halloween 4. Yeah. And that in his review, he called it a cynical retread of the original movie and thought it- Don't do this, man. No, I- This is a bad trend for you. Such a cursed category. Yeah. Apparently, there was a review. It's just not online. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So this is- So somehow, ChatGBT knew the review. Okay.

but thought it was a cynical retread of the original movie. I don't like it. I don't like this. Yeah, it's this new thing. It's like, let's just... The thing is, it starts here. I don't like you and Bryce AI. He's going to have like chat GP Chris and chat GP Sean and chat GP Van. I don't like this. And it'll be like, Bill... This is not happening.

Bill in his house somewhere. One of us will be like, oh, we can't make 1230. And Bill's like, never mind. I know someone who can. Chat GP Van can do it. Starts wearing turtlenecks and talking about the new technological frontier here at the Ringer. Well, it also said Raj was super attracted to the sheriff's daughter. I don't know if that's true. Chat GP. That's not true. All right. We're going to do most rewatchable scene.

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Michael Myers. Serial killers shopping at the Home Depot? No, I'm serious. Where they went in there. There should have been a Michael Myers thing at the Home Depot. They should have a Michael Myers aisle at Home Depot. Of stuff that they could use. And it's like sharp objects. This is a great combo. Take it or leave it. I am not being paid to make this idea. The only person that ever did it was Denzel and the Equalizer. That's right. Oh, true. And he used all the different things. Well, he gets them in. Yeah, yeah.

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The credits and all that stuff is just great. Yeah. I love it. It's very, they just did a great job. Dwight H. Little, director of this movie, apparently did a lot of research on like Halloween traditions and fall, autumn harvest traditions and just nailed it. Great stuff. There's a really good YouTube series called Halloween Atmospheres, which is essentially like hour-long ASMR videos of like

Halloween scenes not Halloween the movie scenes but like scenes around Mike America and it's just like this it's great Ryan's being Hoosiers but the evil version yeah evil Hoosiers the next scene see if we had done this franchise properly we could have made evil Hoosiers evil Hoosiers would have been great yeah see Myers could have gone to a basketball game and just started killing people he hates he hates the three point line because he lost money on FanDuel to me Hoosiers is evil

Well, that's another podcast. Next scene. Cultural. Transferring a dangerous patient for no real reason at all. Let's move him. Watch it. I can safely say that Michael Myers is now in your hands. Well, I guess you're happy to see him go. Locked and loaded. Now let's roll. We get the Halloween music here. So let's give the Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best New Job to that. But we've got Pouring Rain.

He's put in the back of an ambulance with two doctors and no chains to the bed. He's not even handcuffed to the bed. They don't give a fuck. These people are dead. They're like, hey, here he is, a niece. He's like... Yeah, like, and when I'm watching that scene, I'm trying to think, well, if you've never seen it, who's going to die because of the gross negligence of these people? Well, it's also strange because in that scene, this is a nitpick, but...

everybody seems to be referring to like his atrophied body and his lack of muscles. You can't do anything. Yeah. Why don't they just, just check? I mean, like, yeah, it's not like he shriveled up underneath that sheet and then fills back out again. Like a lack of fear. It's a weird thing where they're just like, yeah, man, he's all dust and bones anyway. Let's get him out of here. Good finger through the forehead murder. Yep.

Really, you really have to. Yeah, push. Think how strong your forehead is. That's what I'm saying. Keep going. Really got to get in there. I like the scene where Jamie has the nightmare with multiple Myers. Gets pulled under the bed. I was like a good pull under the bed from a horror movie. It's also nice. It's a nice trope in horror movies where it's like the nightmare that becomes real. Yeah. Gas station. That whole scene's great.

Michael with the bandage face. How do we feel about that? I thought it was cool. Would you just run the whole movie that way? Yes, I would have. No mask? Bandage face Michael? I think they could have broken with tradition there. And just like...

defeat the iconography of the mask itself. Yeah, I think it would have worked. It's also like there's a couple of scenes where it's like a different mask. You know, like he's got blonde hair in one scene, he's got brown hair in another. It's just like, just give him the bandages. It would have been sick. Michael, why now? Michael gets to drive a truck and kill some people. We get autopilot Loomis warning the sheriff. Are you talking about Jamie Lloyd? Wherever she is, that little child is in mortal danger.

Myers has been locked up since before she was born. He's never laid eyes on her. Six bodies. Sheriff, that's what I've seen between here and Ridgemont. A filling station in flames. I tell you, Michael Myers is here in this town. He's here to kill that little girl and anybody who gets in his way. A filling station in flames. Just really going for it.

We have, uh, Myers kills braless girl in the most phallic way possible, then kills guy from Dazed and Confused. Oh, you really jumped ahead. Yeah. Yeah. You missed a lot of stuff. What did I miss? Would you go drugstore? I think the trick-or-treating night of Jamie getting separated from the group, Rachel seeing Brady in the house with Kelly and Brady just being like, we're not married, you know? I love that.

Because Rachel's going through a lot of shit. Yeah. Rachel walks in there. First of all. Yeah, she's lost her babysitting person. Yes. She had a. She's lost eight kids. Her and Brady had a romantic night planned. It's not happening now. It all went to shit. What's going to be that romantic for Brady? It sounds like. Well, Rachel was like. Let's make out. I can't wait to get engaged. Maybe I can feel over your sweater. No, Brady was trying to fuck. Yeah. But she didn't realize that. No.

I don't know. You know who realized that? No, Brady. The cops. What was their shirt? Cops don't have a... And it's so funny that Brady's backup is... Cops do it by the book. Cops do it by the book. She's like, I know what this guy wants. Also, honestly, Brady portraits encourage. To be like, who am I going to fuck? The cop's daughter. Yeah. It's like not even... You're really gambling with something serious. But this was a very...

important theme in late 80s, early 90s culture was the girl who wouldn't give it up to the boyfriend and the other girl who was going to take advantage of this immediately. This was in TV shows, movies galore. Yeah, and Rachel's only revenge is to spill a cup of Folgers on her. She throws a coffee. She ruins the... She ruins a great t-shirt. But honestly, to that point, Kelly knows what's going on. Michael Myers is on his way. She should put some pants on. Yeah.

Kelly's dad is so protective. Yeah. He's so protective, right? Don't touch my daughter. Don't grope my daughter. Everybody is around. Don't give my daughter a bra. Right. Your daughter's bra was in a t-shirt. No pants on. Hey, dad. Hi, Sergeant McCluffy. Like, nobody cares. Like, make her put something on.

Well, I like that he fights back against Myers, Don Dawson. Yeah. I like when he spits on him right before his head gets fucking squished. It's kind of like a Gardner Minshew just going out there and gaming. You know you're outmatched, but you're giving him a pass. Great job by him. He's redeeming himself because he's been a douchebag the entire movie. Yeah. Tries to shoot the door. It's metal. Like, what does that mean? We're locked inside. Doesn't reload the gun. Stupid. But he goes out on his shield. Yeah.

The roof battle's really fun. Yeah. I love that. That's my favorite part. That's my most rewatchable scene. I just wrote down, Myers kills everyone in the truck, then tries to crash the truck, then gets hit by the truck. And then falls down a mine shaft, right? Then falls into basically hell. Yeah. And then the shock ending. No! No! No!

No, no, no, no, no, no. Incredible ending. Did Pleasance, was that his Oscar clip, you think? I think so. And Donald Pleasance for Halloween 4. No! Question. So your favorite's The Roof? My favorite's The Roof. If he doesn't get interfered with right there, does he shoot the child?

I think he does. I think he's, I think he's, he's convinced. I mean, he's just like, right move. Take that kid down. Yeah. No jury would convict him. He's been here before. There's no more peers. There's like five people left in Haddonfield by this point. Yeah.

What do you have for favorite scene? I'll go with the trick-or-treating night just to mix it up because I really like that atmospherically. It's also like Rachel losing all those kids and having to run around those dark houses looking for them. I really like the gas station part. I think that's my favorite.

Anyway. What is the relationship, real quick, between Loomis and Myers? Loomis... Well, he was his doctor in Halloween 1. I know he was his doctor. I know, but... There's good deleted scenes in Halloween 1 where he goes in and sees him as a six. He's like, you fooled them all, Michael. But he won't kill Loomis, though. Right? Well... I mean, he tries. Yeah. I think he would take him down. I thought he had a chance to get Loomis. Loomis always has a gun. At the gas station, and he... That's true. Loomis is always packing.

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Or everything that happens with the sheriff's daughter. I think it's probably the sheriff's daughter. Okay. Well, that leads me to two new categories. Oh my gosh. Well, one's an old one. The Jamie Lee Curtis Unnecessary Neutrity Award, which she wins for that. Yeah. But a new category. So honored to be here for this.

The Van Lathan Naughty White Girl Hall of Fame. Yeah, she's in. Oh, she's in. Okay. I like her. I didn't know if I needed to make the case. So can I ask a question? Is nudity ever, ever unnecessary?

Well, it depends on the... Yeah, I think so. Yeah, is it shoehorned in for the reasons of like we need a nude suit? You get a lot of like, especially in the 80s, I think unnecessary, like you didn't need the shower seat. It was part of... Yeah. It was like, hey, did you put the nude suit in? Yeah, yeah, it's like the 20s. Okay, just wanted to check. Vacation, the vacation one. Yeah, when she's showering. What is the point of that? So this is where I'm going to push back. I mean, I know the point of that. I'm going to push back. Okay. Okay. Is nudity entertaining?

I think for the audience of this movie, it's one of the components they needed. I didn't ask for a Senate subcommittee. Is nudity entertaining?

Entertaining, I don't know if that's the word I would use. Is it interesting? Answer? So if interesting equals entertaining, you would say yes. Then therefore, it is necessary. Okay. Because we must be entertained. I think for this movie, it's necessary. That's why we're watching a movie, baby. Yeah. We're watching a movie to be entertained. And to be honest with you, I think particularly in a horror movie, maybe you have a point.

with the comedy. But particularly in a horror movie, they need to change your emotion. They want to keep inciting you, right? They want to keep inciting you. They want you to always be on edge, always be on edge. But then they need to change your emotion. So they need to bring out a little horny.

Lower your defenses. Oh, my God. What's going to happen? Oh, baby. Oh, daddy. And then they do that, and then boom, the kill comes right back. I think it's a useful thing to do, particularly in a horror movie. It's important to understand the context that in 1988, internet pornography was not invented. You know, like the mask...

Playboy. Yeah. Scrambled cable where you could see a nipple for two seconds. So this was essentially like if you were, you know, a young boy, like this was like... I would say if you're an adult. But this woman... You're as wholesome as Jeff Gallow calling each other. I wasn't an adult yet, but it was like, hey...

We're going to have nude scenes in this movie yet? Yeah. Okay, here we are. I looked her up. Went on to marry Lorenzo Lamas. Yes. No, no, no. That's not true. She starred on Renegade with Lorenzo Lamas and got fired after making derogatory comments about Lamas' wife. Wait, she never married Lorenzo Lamas? No, I think she was married to him on the show. Oh. She's been in a couple erotic... This is how misinformation gets spread. A couple erotic...

She might have dabbled in an erotic thriller and a 80s spring break comedy or two. I can imagine. Or bodies. She looks like she's third in the movie. Her name's Kathleen Kinmont. Um...

She's, first of all, one of the better horror movie characters because the moment you see her, you're like, oh my God. It's a discount, Mark. Here we go. Love triangle time. That's her full-time job. I think she's out of high school by that point. Oh, is that true? So she's older? I don't think she's in school with them. Hmm. Because they do this in Halloween 1, right? It's like Jamie Lee Curtis has these two friends. Both of them are sexually active. They just want to fuck their boyfriends. Yeah.

Yeah. And Jamie Lee Curtis's character is like the virginal and sexually frustrated one. And then those two die. Jamie Lee Curtis has that whole thing. She keeps dropping the knife. She's basically doing a little cat and mouse game with Michael because they're both sexually frustrated. This movie, they're like, fuck it. Let's take this to another level.

This is more like a Friday the 13th plot line. This lady does not wear a bra for maybe 20 minutes of the movie. And she's in a Cops Do It By The Book t-shirt. And she has this quote to Rachel as they have a little fight in the kitchen. Wise up to what men want, Rachel. Or maybe Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman. Fucking saucy. She gets killed 10 minutes later. She also answers the door on Trick or Treat in that outfit too. No pants, just a t-shirt.

She's in seduce Brady mode for the entire thing. Because I could see why she's wearing it. You know, it's akin to the whipped cream bikini varsity blue situation. She wants Brady to be all whatever. It's the Ally Lara character. But like, what is Brady got going? He's working at the discount mart. Like, is he supposed to be the quarterback? He's got either that or he has Rachel, who's cute, but is wearing like a heavy sweater and

and eating a bagel. Yeah. And just doesn't seem that interested. But she's like slathering. Rachel's like, Hey, their parents are, their parents are going to be gone for 90 minutes. We can probably use that. She's doing none of that. This other girl's like, yo Brady. Yeah. My dad's the only cop left. House is mine. Do some trick or treating with me later. And then we'll lock the door and shut the lights off. Yeah. What's age the best. So she's in the hall of fame. I liked her. Okay.

Do you want to keep the Van Laten naughty white girl Hall of Fame going for future rewatch? Why not? I figured you would. What stage is the best? Vigilante mobs. Mention them. I have the town turning on itself, but that's a really good little moment when he's like, when Loomis basically starts the lynch mob on purpose and he's like, why did you do that? And he's like, because like, you don't have any cops left. Yeah.

Smart. Loomis, thinking ahead. This is funny. That's so funny. The moment I saw all the white guys in the lynch mob, I went, I don't like that. I wasn't saying I like it. I'm saying it's a plot device. It's cool. It is. No, no, no. It is. And then they killed Ted. They get Ted. I thought, you know what? Those guys are probably sitting around. They could have thrown one black guy in the lynch mob.

Just to offset it a little bit. They threw one black guy in a lynch mob, the lynch mob would have a different target. They'd be going for him. Are there any black people in Haddonfield? No. Have they ever... Has Michael Myers... Yeah, he killed black people later on. But for a while, Michael Myers, he hadn't killed any black people. I don't think there were black people in that camp. Yeah, I thought that that was cool. I liked...

You know, I have a critique of this, but I like the idea that these guys just got riled up by the news. Probably some drinks, too. And some bush lights. You know what it does? It deepens the whole lore, like what you were saying, because they know, ah, it can't happen again. They're older. They get right to work. In the David Gordon Green trilogy, there's like a whole, like, the town basically turns into Jan 6 or something like that. It's like they all go crazy because of Michael. They got like a bunch of guns and all kinds of crazy shit.

What's the best horror movie set in autumn? It's The Little Girl, played by Daniel Harris. Really great little girl horror movie performance. What an amazing... I mean, if... Yeah. Yeah, yes. I like...

Loomis wading into the water under a bridge to see if Michael was in there. Dude, but all like the... And then hitchhiking right after with the wind up. Get on the road. The mist blowing on that water. It's so creepy. And Hoffman's like, ah, he's dead, you know? I forgot. I want to see. I forgot to mention the hitchhiking scene, which is fucking hilarious. Yeah. The kids, come on, old man, come on. Oh, and they fuck with him. Yeah.

Oh, I have that for what's age the best. Little kids being crazy, super mean because we have those kids, the high school kids. And the little grade school kids. Jamie's an orphan. Jamie's an orphan. People think phones have made people cruel. They've always been cruel. Yeah. Yeah. They will always go for it in the horror movies with little kids. Yeah. What's the meanest thing we can have them? Uh,

What's aged the best? I also have this on what's aged the worst. Meyer's irrational hatred of dogs. Sunday here. Took down a dog in one. Took down a dog in four. Nice golden retriever. I think he lets the Doberman live in five. He lets Max live, yeah. As soon as... That's like some sort of German thing. When you see him.

When you see Sunday, it's like really, it was the toughest kill. Because Sunday is like a beautiful, amazing little pup that's like all over the bed. You know Sunday's fucked though from the beginning. Like that golden retriever's going to fuck with him? I don't know. I didn't like that, but Myers. The lesson of 80s horror movies, if you don't take care of your boyfriend, some other woman will and then be brutally murdered and about nine minutes later. That was how many movies?

All of them. Yeah. That's like entire, that's the entire Friday, the 13th ethos is that all the, all the girls who are loose go, go first. Score by Alan Howarth. Yeah. And the theme is by Carpenter though. But I like in the Halloween movies where they, they title the songs. Yeah.

So in this one, there's songs called Jamie's Nightmare, Return of the Shape, and Police Station. What's the song title for the Kelly and Brady sex scene? I don't know. I didn't look that up. Any other with Sage the Best? No, not really. You got it all, but I would just add, we're obviously having a lot of laughs. The sense of humor of this movie is pretty great. The Fortune 3 clap award for most gif-able moment is the, No! No! No!

Great shot, Gordo. Myers collapsing in the sinkhole. I actually have... It's an homage to Night of the Hunter when the guy is sitting in the rocking chair with the shotgun. Oh, I love that. And then it's Rachel and then Rachel moves out of the way and Michael is in deep focus in the background. It's a really cool little shot. Like, when he is...

There's one where, yeah, I think that's the same one where she's running away and then he's coming like on the side of the building or whatever. Yes. Yeah. But it starts with this. The sheriff's deputy is in the into the rocking chair and he's like, don't worry, state police will be here soon. Yeah, that's right. Right out of Night of the Hunter.

I don't know if I'd feel totally protected with the guy just rocking in a rocking chair. Yeah, I mean, obviously... Don't worry. I'm going to stay here. Den of Thieves, Benihana Award, scene-stealing location. I really like the abandoned gas stations just in general in horror movies. There's also a great moment because that place has a bar attached to it and a bunch of pictures of Abe Lincoln just in case we forgot it's Illinois. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? If there is a...

abandoned or like downtrodden asylum in a horror movie, that's always my spot. You like going down. I like going. We should start investing in abandoned gas stations and asylums and see what we can do with that. Whether it's just like we start showing Halloween movies there, drive-ins, soup them up, bring back like the drive-in. It's a good YouTube series. Do Halloween tours, haunted house situations there in old abandoned. But you know what happened?

We'll get fucked up. It'll turn into an actual horror movie. Big Kahuna Burger where Bessie is the food or drink. So the sheriff's daughter, right before she meets her demise, she just makes some coffee for everyone. She has these six giant cups of coffee. Like how much coffee did she make? Did you ever used to drink instant? No. Can you remember ever having it? No.

I had it when I first started drinking coffee. I would, I would be like, when I, no, when I first moved out of my parents' house and I was in Boston, I would make instant coffee because I was like, my family always cared about coffee. Okay. In the right way. Okay. I was just saying, it was always important. You guys, fuck,

That's an important thing. Vacation in Guatemala? My mom always cared about coffee. I grew up with a family that prioritized coffee. That's really, that's a lot, a line you refuse to cross right there. I just always had good coffee in my life. I'm not going to apologize. There was a whole era to me where that was kind of the norm. Yeah. Coffee wasn't a thing. Going to the coffee shop was not a thing. Did you see how much coffee she had though? She had six like,

They look like 16-ounce cups. I know. I'm telling you, I'm going to go galaxy brain here, way too deep take. When they do little shit like that, they're like making a little statement. She's a traditional show up. She's a trad wife. Yeah. Take care of her, man. Rachel is like, I don't want to. I want to be liberated and all of that type of stuff. One dies, one lives. They're making a statement because she makes all of that coffee on reflex. Way more fun hang.

Than Rachel. Yeah, Rachel had a lot going on. Yeah, I just would rather. Oh, could I? Should I just be with this lady, the sheriff's daughter, who's a little fun? Or this other lady who I can never get alone? I think Rachel probably had a little bit going on upstairs. No, but I'm saying like. More of an interior life. And her sister is Michael Myers' niece. Well, I mean, Brady doesn't even know who the fuck Michael Myers is. Yeah, I guess. All right, Butch's girlfriend award, weak link of the film.

I'll go last. If you guys want to go ahead of me, I have, I feel really strongly about one thing. I have one. Okay. Uh, we talked about this on silence of the lambs about, uh, what's the doc, the doctor, the asylum in silence of the lambs. What's his name? The Anthony held character. And this is the mayor from jaws, but it's like when there's a villain, that's more villainous than the villain. And it starts, it,

They start this movie with Dr. Hoffman, who's just like a giant dick to Loomis, who's freeing Michael Myers, who doesn't think he has any muscle tone. He's got an attitude about it. And is like, he's dead. He's dead. Don't worry about it. And then he just leaves the movie. So I really like that performance and that character. I just hate that they abandoned it midway through. We would have brought it back. Max Schreck from Batman Returns. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I gotta go with Loomis, man. Loomis fucking pisses me off. I hate Loomis. I hate him.

To me, Loomis makes me sick. Loomis is useless. He does. Loomis, he's supposed to be this harbinger.

But after a while, like, I blame Loomis for everything that's happening. I had him for the Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character? It was actually good at his job. Bad psychiatrist. Let Loomis go multiple times. Didn't warn people correctly. Right. Halloween 1 just fucks up over and over again. He's next to the car, doesn't even realize it for five hours. My Butch's girlfriend award.

I just don't think Myers, even though they have him doing athletic stuff, I don't think the actor who played the shape... First of all, he's wearing padding. He's wearing these fucking shoulder pads. And he's kind of doing this. I didn't feel like he was athletic enough. They should have had...

I don't know. Pick any good athlete from the late 80s playing The Shape. Pick somebody. OJ would have been available. This is pre-whatever. But somebody with some bulk and some size who could move. This guy, if you really watch carefully, he's like a fucking mummy. Oh, shit. Later on, they got the dude that played Sabertooth. Bothers me. The fucking professional wrestler. I can't remember his name now.

He played him for a little while because he could do all this stuff. Tyler May. Oh, he played Michael. In that Rob Zombie movies or in the David Gordon Green movies? I can't remember which one it was, but I remember it was a big deal that he played him for a second.

What's aged the worst? The mask is the most polarizing thing about this movie. It's a lot of the discourse. It's my buddy Jeff's biggest issue with the movie. He can't believe how bad the mask is. And there's a whole story when they made the mask for Halloween 1. It was a Shatner mask. They doctored it. They threw it out after. They tried to recreate it for 2. There was no way to find it. So then they ended up with the fucking stupid mask they had for this movie, which they changed. Yeah.

after the schoolhouse scene, which I think was the first one they shot, he's got like blonde hair. He looks like, I don't even know what, but they keep that in for some reason. People really hate the mask. I am not a fan. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the fact that it changes a couple of times in the movie. Yeah. And so generally. They just should have kept them bandaged. I think that was the mistake, but. Can I ask you whether you think this is age the worst or not? Is the con,

somewhat convoluted idea that Laurie Strode who has died between two and four yeah has a daughter who's not that much you know a young daughter like she has a daughter young yeah she went from not having sex to becomes like a super young but like would it made just more sense if he had just come back and there was no like family connection it was just like he's terrorizing the town

Because there are other ideas for this movie floating around that I think this strode family connections a little. So in the research of this, when they greenlit it, the writer's strike was about to happen and the guy had like 13 days to pitch the story and then write it. And I don't think he was expecting 36 years later a podcast picking it apart. I don't know if there's a ton of thought

I think he was like, hey, so I thought maybe Lori had a daughter. They were like, all right, done. Go, go, go. How many people out there do you think feel that same way about podcasts? Where they're like, you know what, man? I was just trying to make my day. Yeah. I was fucking hot. I was just at a coffee shop for three straight days. I had 10 days to pound this shit out. George Lucas is like, I don't know. I had this idea for a niece. Because the movie comes out and it's profitable, so it's a win. He's like, fuck, I fucking pulled that off. Yeah, I wish I had more time. And then later on, you guys come around and, ah, you fucked up the mess.

But look, interesting though, like you couldn't have the face of innocence. They didn't go. It's interesting to go with a kid in that situation to kind of draw a little girl. It was good. Zach, but her, but her not being in the movie is by far the thing that's aged the worst because the character comes back.

to a new generation of Halloween fans to take the franchise back. The reason she didn't come back is because Jamie Lee was a super famous actress at that point. Another Age is the Worst for me, also maybe a nitpick, but it's basically some people obviously know who Michael Myers is. Those kids dress up as Michael Myers to scare Rachel and Jamie, but then Brady doesn't know who Michael Myers is.

And they're like, oh, you remember 10 years ago? And he's like, no. Like, what are you talking about? I didn't like that either. So it's like, it's like Michael Myers is either like. I think he was so horny. He didn't remember what happened five minutes ago. Brady couldn't get straight. Yeah. He was about to bust. Brady was trying to line up his hoes. Yeah. Like he, like he wasn't thinking at all about that. Brady had a backup plan. Brady, what'd you think of the, uh, the, the football game yesterday? He's like, I don't know, man. I just, I just trying to get alone with the sheriff's daughter. That's all I'm thinking about. Um, I have a couple.

How does Myers, how do they not have a scene where Myers kills one of the Myers impersonators? It's like a fucking no-brainer. That would have made it all worth it. Just kill like three of them in a row. Yeah. Blonde wig Myers in the schoolhouse. Ridiculous. Rachel takes the kids trick-or-treating and loses all eight kids. You know how hard that is? You're going from house to house. Like what were they like fucking getting in a van together?

It makes it seem like they've gotten lost in the city from inception. But she also is not thinking straight. No. Right. Because she just found out Brady. Brady's with us. He's just like all the other guys. All right. This is my big one. We rarely do this for the rewatchables, but I'm going to have to do this with whatever my camera is. So Loomis' scars. We start out with this. So he blew up at the end of Halloween, too.

And he's got, it's like a zit on the left there. Like a burn. It almost looks like an ear with a zit. So they start out there. This is, I'm just doing this chronologically in the movie. So we start out with this. Then we go here and the zit's gone. Like, did he pop it? Now it's like more of like a scar tissue. It looks like an omelet or a cauliflower. Yeah. So that's how, that's how we are in that scene.

Oh, wow. Then it's different again. It's a dent there. So the makeup artist is obviously not taking Polaroids after every day of shooting. This is another example of people not anticipating us doing a podcast about this. They're like, Annie, the makeup artist, like, Annie, did you take Polaroids after day three? She's like, oh, shit. Right. So they're just fucking winging it. Then we go back. Zits back. Now the zits back. Oh, this guy just came back.

So did Pleasance go back and say, I really like this zip? Well, they don't shoot these things chronologically. They probably shot that when he had it. At the same time. Then it's like it got better. Like he took some medication during Halloween night somehow. And then finally near the end of the movie, he must have yelled at somebody. And now it's just kind of cleared up. It's cleared up a lot. Yeah. This is all in the course of one day in Halloween 4. Well, maybe it's his connection to Michael heals him, you know? Yeah.

The scar, but I don't know how, why at some point you made a decision with the zit, with the zit scar. Like you got to just stay with it. You can't get rid of the zit.

Body count, by the way, 19 for this movie, if you include the dog. More than the combined total of the first two. It doesn't feel like it's all that many kills. He's killing a lot of people, but it doesn't feel like it's all that many kills. Part of it is also we don't get the police station kills. We only see the aftermath. After he comes in there. Would you have liked it more if he didn't kill the sheriff's daughter? Yes. He just kind of chained her up. He was like, I'm keeping her around. She looks great. What's your favorite kill in this? Um...

I like the finger through the forehead's great. And I like when he kills Don Dawson. Don Dawson is crushes his jaw, right? Anytime the killer kills someone with their bare hands. Yeah. So I was going to, my favorite is the guy who's driving the truck to get away. And Michael comes and just like tears his face off and then throws him out of the truck. It's pretty good. Cause he, you have the leverage or on top of the car. I think they spent a lot of the special effects budget on that kill. Yeah.

The Ruff Lohan and Rubenick Partridge overacting award. It has to go to Dr. Loomis, but you also have the crazy religious guy who picks him up hitchhiking. That guy's creepy. I like that. Apparently he didn't know his lines and Dwight Little had to keep being like this. So would you give it to that guy? I think I would. He's in another movie. He probably is the one that's like throwing 150 like every single time he talks. Yeah. What's that category we used to have for a guy who's in a different movie? It was, what was the Judd Nelson movie?

for that what was that movie called? Well I would say honestly I'd say Kelly is in a different movie. Who? In this movie Kelly is in a different movie than like that's a sex How dare you? sex comedy and everybody else is like Michael Myers Yeah she's in like a Skinamax movie. Like the word is out her dad is the sheriff she would know that Michael Myers is terrorizing the town and she's like no it's bone town tonight. Yeah.

In fact, Michael Myers creates an opportunity for me to have the house to myself and walk in the living room in front of the fire while my dad single-handedly is protecting us. Ah, but she, this is another reason why I like her. She asked Brady. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's go upstairs. Let's go upstairs. Brady was like, it goes down right here, girl. Yeah. Yeah. I like the fireplace. Fireplace. Brady was trying to set some ambiance. Brady's like, listen, I'm not going to last long. Yeah. Makes no sense to get up. I got 80 seconds. I'm a kid. Makes no sense to get up and go way up there. Was there a better title for this movie? Halloween 4, Back for More Cash? I had Halloween 10 years later.

Probably not better than Halloween for the return of Michael Myers, but I think it's in there. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Wise up to what men want, Rachel, or Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman.

is, should be in a high school yearbook. That is the only memorable quote almost in the whole movie. It's fucking amazing. Okay. My, uh, my second place for best quote was the, um, the guy working at the power station when he sees Michael Myers and says, Hey, you, this is city property. No trespassing. What are you deaf? Don't try that Halloween shit with me. And then Michael throws him up in the air and he lands on every like, shuts out all the power in the town.

And he's like, oh! For like 40 seconds. It's so cool. He gets wise. Like at the last minute. Yeah. Oh shit. The six foot five guy with the mask. And he's like, get off of city property. Myers, who hasn't lived there since he was six, somehow knows where the cemetery is. And where the power station is. Where the power station is. Where the police station is. He can just navigate everywhere. Let's take a break and then we'll do the hottest take.

All right, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take award. You have one, Van, or no? Myers is the hero of this movie. Okay. I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force. He is like, he exists in nature. He comes from nature and he's there to enforce natural selection.

So the people that die in this movie are so fucking stupid. Like all of them. Yes. We are. They're so dumb. Yeah. They make the dumbest mistakes. He moves at the speed of a sloth. Yeah. But he outsmarts them still. Yeah. And so Michael Myers, actually, the earth was like, you know what? It's too many people on there. We need to create a force.

to cull the people who are too dumb to go on. Darwin theory. Darwin theory. And that Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie, and if you get killed by him, you deserved it. Strong start for hottest take. If this had been the last Halloween movie...

it would have been the second best one. Oh, shit. I think in the long scheme of things, like the long tail... I agree with this. You're like, oh, okay, two's cool. This is better than two. I'm with you. But people like three. Two is actually kind of wonky in places. Two is Friday the 13th for the last half hour. The idea...

That he passes it on. And if I just gave you the bare bones of this plot of what happens in Haddonfield 10 years later, and then Michael at the end when he gets killed because he touches Jamie, passes the shape on, and she then kills her stepmother and keeps this perpetual... That's awesome. That would have been like...

People would have been like, what? Question for you. But the fact that they basically undo that in the first five minutes of five, where they're like, actually, the mom's okay. It's cool. She's in Barbados. It sucks. But if this had been the last one, this would have been the second best Halloween movie. Do you think they knew whether or not they wanted Michael Myers to come back? I think everybody who they engaged to creatively come up with new ideas for the franchise was like, what if we did this? What if...

what if we tried that? What if we tried that? And they always entertained it. And then eventually they would get back to like whatever focus group idea that was like people who are fucking paying 10 bucks to go see this movie do not want to not see Michael Myers. We saw that with Halloween 3 with Season of the Witch. Like people want to see Halloween 3. I really like the first five minutes of Halloween 2. You like the first five minutes. Yeah, I like when he's chasing him through the houses and I like when he goes, you don't know what death is to the sheriff. Solid.

My hottest take. So Donald Pleasant's famous alcohol problems with him. Like famous. I can give you some, I can give you some half-assernate research. Here's some Donald Pleasant stuff for you. Married four times, had five daughters, allegedly drank two bottles of wine before filming a big scene in Halloween 1 where he talked to the sheriff outside. Two bottles of wine. Jesus.

In the SNL oral history book, David Sheffield, who was a writer on the show in the 80s, said there was one host who came on. He was drunk and senile. He kept going, where's Gilda? When's Gilda showing up? He was so arrogant. He basically just did a monologue. Donald Pleasance. So that was so famous drinker guy. I think Halloween for my hottest take should have leaned into this. Oh, Loomis is like an alcoholic. Actually had him boozing during the movie and like,

He's kind of come in as like boozing deranged Dr. Lemons. You don't understand what death is. Nobody believes him. And he's got like fucking Jack Daniels. That's kind of like what the preacher character is. Yeah. Like if Loomis had been the preacher and Loomis is just like driving around in circles looking for Armageddon, that would have been pretty cool. Because he's basically an alcoholic anyway, the way he behaves in this. Like he's just kind of wandering and deranged. Put a different spin on him always packing too, where he's just like, I'm just quick to pull this gun out.

Maybe they shun Loomis because he can't do anything with Michael Myers. He begrudgingly gets back into the story, but he's always on the sauce. That's more interesting. He lost his job. Yeah. Yeah, he's become an alcoholic because all these people died on his watch. Maybe he's obsessed now. He's coming back. He's always drinking. I don't think Loomis should have been employed in Halloween 4. I think he should have been disgraced.

Burned in the fire and now just has a drinking problem. And is still obsessed with the case. Would have been better. Casting what ifs. John Carpenter was approached to write a direct. Worked on a script with somebody else. Got Joe Dante attached to direct. Mustafa Akkad rejected it. Yeah.

And Carpenter was like, buy me out. I'm done. Carpenter and Debra Hill, the producer, were like, I'm out. I'm doing that December 31st to you if we don't do Sicario by then. So they sold their ownership rights back to Mustafa Akkad. And they were done from that point on. Carpenter was cooking at that time too. Good time for Carpenter. So I wonder, you think they were bought out or you think they kept points?

I think he's been brought back into the project since then. I think he got a lot of... I think he got dapped up with the David Gordon Green movies. I don't know if he did with Rob Zombie. I have no clue. So they found this writer, Alan B. McElroy, and he had 11 days to come up with the idea and write the entire script before the writer's strike started. Yeah. Start to finish, 11 days. Oh, yeah. I give him a lot of credit. It's like, ah, nice.

Melissa Joan Hart auditioned for The Little Girl, and then Rebecca Schaefer auditioned for the main part, and then went to Ellie Cornell, who picked this movie over Nightmare 4. Yeah. She then became a very recognizable face. Ellie Cornell? The little girl that's in this? Oh, Daniel Harris is in it. Yeah, she's in a lot. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people? Hell no. Okay. Because we're getting out of the town.

You're out. Michael's out? If you could have a black person, what job would they have? What character would they play? They would... Oh, that's a great question. Like, in this movie, they would, like, play the people. Like, you'd see, like, a black family leaving Hattieville at the beginning.

And like driving past is my drive. It was like, Hey, Hey, just letting you guys know something bad's going to happen there. We're moving on. We're headed to Chicago. Yeah. South side. Peace gone. But I couldn't see us living in Haddonfield. It's a tough life. That'd be a fun, like scene just crammed in out of nowhere. Just as black family leaving. We're out of here. In 11 days. They could have done it. You look at them and like, where are they going? And then you made the decision to go yourself. Right. Fucked up.

Best that guy award, the doctor at the beginning that Chris mentioned, who's the real villain. Dr. Hoffman. Yeah. He was one of the Malachi brothers in Happy Days, which was the most famous Happy Days episode. But he was also, more importantly, Drago's trainer in Rocky IV. Whatever he hits, he destroys. I think Bo Starr is the that guy. Over Michael Pataki? Yeah, I think Bo Starr, the sheriff meeker, is definitely that guy, man. Does Brady count as a that guy or no?

That's a that guy for us. Yeah, he's Don Dawson. But he actually didn't really do much besides Dazed and Confused. I just see him, I think he's Don Dawson. He was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a... Yeah, and he was in a couple episodes of NYPD Blue or something, but he hasn't really done that much in the last 20 years. Because you gotta have consistent that guy energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Recasting couch director, City. Wait, did we do Dion? Oh, Dion, sorry. Dion Waiter's a word. Kinmon, right?

I have the sheriff's daughter. Yeah. Or Richard Stay as Wade, the guy who first asks her out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trying on the sunglasses and wearing the blazer in the discount mart. He's going for it. Yeah. She tells him to fuck off. I'm telling you, I like her. I rip to her. Recasting couch director of City, if you were going to not have Ellie Cornell on this and pick some other more famous actress from the late 80s, early 90s, what if I gave you Jennifer Connelly?

Sure. Is that your answer for any late 80s, early 90s stuff? I'm just trying to think of somebody more famous than her. What about like Justine Bateman? Is she too old? Justine? That's a good one. She's probably a tiny bit too old. Tiny? Really? She's playing teen roles at that point? You know, I thought of Jennifer Aniston too because she was in, I think, Leprechaun. Courtney Cox. Courtney Cox is probably too old. Really? Or maybe not. I don't know. But it would have been cool if somebody from that era. Shannon Doherty. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. She might be too young. Yeah. This is what, 88?

If this was more prestigious, Winona Ryder would have been a good... Winona Ryder? Has Winona Ryder ever done like a straight on this type of horror movie? Heathers was the weirdest. Yeah. Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary. See already got. Oh, Mike, they got pictures of Abe Lincoln on the wall here. One of our great presidents also a depressive...

I'm going to run back Ryan Rucco. Okay. I studied some Ryan Rucco over the last few days. I was a jury when Breeden. Yeah. Can Michael Myers throw someone into the electrical grid and shut down power and off Haddonfield? You bet. I like the you bet. All right. There's Rucco. Half-assed under research. They filmed in Salt Lake City instead of Pasadena.

Had to import leaves and big squash for fake pumpkins. George P. Wilbur played Myers and had to wear hockey pads under the costume to make himself look more physically imposing. Wasn't big enough. Yeah. The one, one of the other scripts, I think this is the Dennis Etchison script, which is available online, had basically the stars or the heroes of the film would have been Lindsay and Tommy, who are the kids that Laurie is babysitting.

in one. Oh, see. And that they basically have gone through like therapy. They call her Lindsay in the car. Lindsay, yeah. And it's, it's weird. That's basically a remnant, I think, from would we use different other people from the, from the past in this. It's a better movie. But it's basically like they live across the street from each other, but aren't allowed to communicate because Lindsay's mom's really overprotective. I mean, that's a better Halloween for us. He just goes back to kill those two. And then he goes back to kill the kids. Yeah. All right.

Ellie Cornell cut her stomach open on a large nail while sliding down the roof and lost a lot of blood. Jesus. The cast was really nervous about Danielle Harris, how young she was. So the Wilbur, the guy who played the shape, would take his mask off after every scene to remind her it was just a movie. Right. That was nice. The Vincent drugstore, where Jamie goes to buy a costume, is seen in the 90s in a movie that we've all seen. Can you name the movie? In the 90s in a movie we've all seen.

What kind of movie? Sports movie. Little kids. Sandlot? Sandlot. Oh. I just knew that was going to be something different. I just knew you were about to go, the Vincent's Drugstore in Salt Lake City was the scene of the classic 1961 sit-in with the NYCP. The schoolhouse, Chris mentioned the mask with the blonde hair. Yeah.

Then they decided that didn't work, but somehow didn't reshoot the scene where he had the blood. And it's just fucking insane. But this is what was great about the 80s. They were like, will anyone notice? Probably not. It's some guy who's making out with his girlfriend in the second to back row of a movie theater, really like, ugh, the mask work in this is just awful. Yeah, what are they doing? So they decided after they viewed the movie, the director and Akkad decided that the violence was too soft and they could commence with an extra day of blood filming.

I agree with it too. The movie is not at all gory. Mustafa was pissed. It's more like you feel the dread, but there's not that much blood.

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Pleasants, no. Mustafa Akhadi probably made more movies that made more money. Don Dawson, no way. Halloween, no. Serial killer movies, no. I couldn't think of any of them. Dwight H. Little? Cops do it by the book t-shirts, probably the Apex Mountain. And Kinmont. Is it an Apex Mountain for the serial killer is back?

Like he's gone for a movie. Because we had Freddie, Jason, and Myers. Yeah, but by this point, they're seven into Friday the 13th. So I feel like that's like now been established. You could almost say slasher franchises maybe are back. Yeah. Yeah. Cruz or Hanks? As who? So I think that Cruz or Hanks could play. All ages are eligible. So you could have Cruz as Don Dawson. I think either young Cruz or young Hanks could play Brady.

So, can I give you old Cruise as Dr. Loomis? Cruising it up. Like 73-year-old Tom Cruise being like, I watched him for 15 years. Like going completely fucking bonkers. I think that's the answer, right? What do you think, Craig? Shouldn't it be for the main character? Like, it should just be who should play Rachel, right? Oh, the shape?

I guess Myers or Rachel. We should be deciding between those two characters. Well, it has to be a male character, though. So that's the shape, Don Dawson or Loomis. Oh, I see what you mean. Like switch it to a male. Like it would be Cruiser Hanks in the babysitter role. This is a very, very millennials, Gen Z. I'm not saying like the gender. No, no, no. I get it. You're saying gender flip it. I'm just saying who cares. During this time.

Old Cruise. We're doing Cruiser Hanks here as an exercise. It's fucking Halloween 4. How are we doing this? What's happening? Can we go Old Cruise? Yeah. I like that. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name? I think The Shape. Haddonfield something? Haddonfielders? Oh, the Haddonfield Horrors? Yeah, I like that. Haddonfield Horrors? Hmm.

I don't know. I don't have anything. Cops do it by the book? Cops do it by the bookers? Pickin' its. How did the kids in school know Myers was Jamie's uncle? How the fuck does that get out? This is the thing. There's three different movies happening. There's little kids who know everything about Michael Myers. I promise I'm keeping that a secret with my adopted kid. Who knows nothing. Another thing, a lot of adoption happening in Haddonfield, but like adopting kids from two doors down. Laurie's adopted. Jamie's adopted. What's going on in Haddonfield? Yeah.

I mean, it takes a village, but still. But see, that's the thing that they, that's the meat left on the bone with the movie. Because you could paint the picture of Haddonfield as a, Haddonfield as like a totally fucked up society and community because of everything that happened and like why all of these parents might have left and left their kids and all that dumb ass shit, but they didn't do any of that. They only had 11 days. Would you adopt the, the,

niece of the most notorious serial killer in your town? Unknowingly. Blood relative? Unknowingly. But they knew. Well, then no. And if I adopted... That's a no for me. If I adopted her and then I was, oh, well, we got a little bundle of joy. Come home with us and live with us. And then I found out

That's the other thing that's really funny is like their dinner date takes up two thirds of the movie where they're like, oh, like he has to go out to get like his promotion. So we have to take the boss out to dinner and then they're just gone for the rest of the movie until they check in on the house. And that's it. I mean, I, we did this extensively in Halloween one when we did that pod, but in Halloween, you don't leave your house.

If you have kids, trick-or-treaters are coming. Nobody's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to leave my house alone under the care of somebody else. Where are you going on Halloween? You're not a big, like, do you have any, did you ever have teen babysitters watching your kids? Yeah, somewhat, somewhat, but.

I don't know. I just, where are you going on Halloween? When they would come over to check in for work, would you be watching Halloween? Totally dodged that question. We choked in Halloween 1 about like, was there like some Haddonfield Country Club tea party or what the fuck was going on with all these people? I just, Myers killed everyone. It's the 10 year anniversary.

It's like, should we stay home, make sure nothing happens? No, no, let's go out with the Johnsons. Yeah. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It's like a Tuesday night. Wouldn't Myers-Masks be banned in Haddonfield? Yes, that's my point. Yeah, why are they selling it? It's either got to be like, scream like the way Ghostface has become like a phenomenon.

Or they're like, bury this and nobody knows about it. Or Haddonfield, like you're saying, Haddonfield is now a tourist attraction. Yes. Where people come and there's a whole Michael Myers museum. That almost makes more sense. They did that in a later movie, didn't they? They played with the fact that the town is famous for it. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't like that Haddonfield, they switched the filming, which was this middle-class, middle-America suburb in the first two movies. And now all of a sudden it's like rural farmland. We're in like the fucking Utah. But it is supposed to be Illinois. It doesn't seem like Illinois, though. I agree with you. But I'm just saying, I think that like the cornfields or like the farmlands are supposed to be like outside of that town. Haddonfield.

I mean, a lot of questions about Myers' location stuff, but ends up in the same drugstore as his niece. She's trying on stuff. Like, what are the odds? Well, I thought that was supposed to be the vision. No, he is in the drugstore, right? Yeah. Like, because he's in the reflection after she's... He's actually there. Sometimes she doesn't see him. But I don't know how he's in the reflection of the mirror, but nobody else can see him standing in the thing. I have a lot of questions. In five, it is the worst. In five, it's like Michael Myers is like, I'm just doing this visually.

behind a bush like this. Right. Like the entire time. Yeah. Like you're just like, that's Michael Myers, like right there. Like that's like, what are you guys doing? So Myers drives however many miles. Uh-huh. In like a pretty. It's like 119 miles because it's a four hour drive at one point. Pretty conspicuous giant gas station truck. When he gets the hitchhiking, it's 120 miles. And the truck has been stolen. Yeah. So you would think that somebody would be like. Goes right to downtown Haddonfield. Right.

Parks the car and is like, I'm going to go right into the drugstore with my fucking bandage face. Maybe I can go in the back and nobody will know. I'm positive somebody's noticing this guy. And then just kind of lurks around until he can find a mask. But then he's got the mask on. He just kind of puts it over his head. Perfect fit. Wouldn't you have to just unravel all the shit in your face? They just make this seem super easy. They left a lot out. Yeah.

did myers know when he threw the guy through the power grid that it would then shut down i think that his is his goal i think he's gone there to disrupt power

So then Michael Myers also knows how the electrical grid of the town works. Yes. I mean, he's had a long time in this mental hospital to study different pieces of infrastructure. Well, we talked about this in one. If he's the boogeyman, then Satan is guiding the boogeyman, right? So Satan's telling him, go here, go there. Go to the power station. That's how you have to explain it to yourself. And you're going to find the toughest big mouth ever at the power station. All you have to do is...

body slamming it. But he knows that guy's on shift. Yeah. Because he staked it out. Yeah. So he's going to go there and he's like, this guy's going to mouth off. We're throwing this guy into the goddamn power thing. Just the weird urgency Hoffman has of getting Myers out of the asylum in the first place. And...

The lack of clarity about the hierarchy of the asylum where Loomis works there. He's like, now that I've gotten rid of Michael Myers, Loomis will either retire or die. And it's like, what do you fucking care? Why do you hate Loomis? What's the big deal? He caught Michael Myers. That's a pretty big get. There's probably a couple years of meetings where every meeting Loomis is like,

I told you guys I was watching him for it. And they're like, all right, man, we get it. You fucking watched him for 15 years. But he says something to him. He's like a federal prisoner. So he has like federal prisoner's rights. And I'm like, this is strange. That's a federal prisoner. He just killed everyone in Illinois. Maybe Loomis is too braggadocious about the fact that he got Michael Myers. Yeah, he's at the bar being like, buy me a drink. I'll tell you about the time I caught the sheep. I shot him 11 times. We blew up together. Any other nitpicks?

Just Myers killing 16 people in the first two films, and then they send two middle-aged paramedics to pick him up at the asylum. Come on, guys. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. They've basically done all of these except for prestige TV. Still sitting there. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Nell,

Evil laughing Ramon Raymond, long legs, or Philip Baker Hall? I think that at the trick-or-treat night when Kelly, Rachel, and Brady are having their argument, Byron Mayo waddles over with his jack-o'-lantern. He goes, Kelly, Rachel, Brady, why be at odds when we can be in a triangle? Somebody fire up some Folgers.

Nothing activates the libido like fear. It's the witching hour. Oh my God. That'd be great. Honestly, this movie would have been better with Robert Loggia in some role. You're telling me that this Michael Myers is back? Just one Oscar who gets it. Probably nobody, but maybe the score. The score is great. Yeah. That song never gets all the hits.

Probably unanswerable questions. Why didn't they just make Jamie the killer in Halloween 5? I don't have an answer. I just feel like that should have happened. Make her character the killer? Yeah, it's like Halloween 5 starts and Jamie... Halloween 5 is the little girl locked up. And it's like, well, we have to let her out. She didn't know what she was doing. She was a disaster. Yeah, she blacked out. Do you remember Wes Craven's New Nightmare? Not really. The movie where Freddy comes to life inside the actual movie? Oh, yeah. Yes. Right.

Right. Yes. That's the kind of stuff to me that like, I felt like they should have played around. Cause that's kind of like making her the killer. Cause in that movie, they're doing a new Freddie movie and then Freddie comes to life and he's in the movie itself. It's kind of a friend. They do that with scream three basically as well. I don't think they were to that point yet where they could be that inventive. They just gave the people what they wanted to get. My, my unanswerable question is just like, what is Dr. Loomis's jurisdiction?

You know, like he's bossing around cops. He's bossing around people at the hospital. And he's always got a sidearm. And which is not something I usually associate with my mental health professionals. Yeah, you don't want the mental health professional to need more mental health help than the people he's helping. And he's just got like a semi-automatic weapon in his trench coat. And it's just like, I'm here for Michael! Mine is, it was the sheriff trying to get Brady killed.

Oh. He doesn't give him a ton of instruction before he's just like... Brady, here's a shotgun. When you see Michael Myers, protect everyone. Brady, you know how to use a gun? Did he know Brady was fucking his daughter? And is he trying to get Brady killed? I would have done that if I never was treating Zoe that way. Do you think when he kills...

Catherine Kinmont's character with the sheriff's daughter? The shotgun impalement. Yeah, where was the... Do you think that was a little more graphic and they had to scale it back? Where do you think that shotgun went? I think it went through her stomach. I think actually that happens in one of the David Gordon Green movies. They do that and it's a little bit more graphic. But I can't remember. Like the shotgun through the stomach move. Oh, through the stomach. Yeah, I think. If I remember correctly. All right. Next unanswerable question. I thought we were going somewhere else there. Moving on.

I thought... See? He kind of does that. That's what I'm... I don't know what that gun was supposed to... I think it goes through her stomach. I don't think... They don't show it. They pretty much suggest something similar to that in 5 with a guy putting a condom on and then he gets... He begins his sexual congress and Mike kills him. Yeah. And it's pretty obvious what he's done. Have you seen Terrorfire 3? Yeah. So...

Yeah. It happens. Have you seen the Terrifier movies yet? Too gory for me. Okay. As you know my stance. Would it have been more funny if this movie took place in Boston when he goes to the power grid part? You think you're better than me? Trying to tell me I didn't do my job? Retainer. Best double feature choice. Interesting question. I would say...

It's really just one is the only narrative stuff you need to know, but two is good just to know why Donald Pleasance has such a fucked up face because he explodes. I also had Halloween too. Okay. I go Jason Takes Manhattan. Oh. You ever see that? I like that movie. Yeah. I do too. It's just kind of Jason and, you know, Jason. That's like Let Jason Cook. Just give him some toys. It's also, there was a point where they were just like, what can we, let's put him in space. Let's put him in the city. Let's do all sorts of stuff. You know who killed that movie? Aaron Judge. Yeah.

That's why he's dead. Oh my God. The Andean Reds want no word for what happened the next day. I'll tell you what didn't happen. They didn't find the body. Just went in that sinkhole. They were like, ah, he's probably gone. In five, the first scene of five is like what happens next. And it's not only does he fall into the sinkhole, everything collapses on him. They also dynamite it.

And he just like floats away in groundwater and like shows up in a creek. Didn't anyone see First Blood? Yeah. Dynamiting a location doesn't mean you killed the guy. And then Jamie, it turns out he didn't, she didn't kill her mom.

Even though it certainly seems that way in the film. But just injured her. And she goes to an insane asylum or like a mental institution and she's mute. So we have a very clear Zewan Neo here. And he, and Michael Myers, before you move on, he's like Wolverine. Yeah, he goes to some dude's fish shack and recuperates and then kills the guy who helps him. Right.

They did a podcast though. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The guy in the fish shack was like, Michael, they're taking too many threes. They're killing the game I loved. What piece of memorabilia would you want? The cops do it, man. I had that as well. Coach Finstock award, best life lesson. Don't tell everyone you adopted the town murderer's niece.

I'd start there. Any other life lessons? How about don't adopt the town murderer's niece? Yeah, if you're going to... Either way. Or if you're going to adopt her, like...

She should go live in a different town. Yeah. Right. How about new name, new identity? Right. No, you're not this person's daughter. If you're going to transfer a notorious killer based on the fact that he's been in a 10-year coma and you think he's withered away, just check the biceps. Do a little bit of a combine test on him. Yeah. And see. That's fair. Yeah, bring in a masseuse. Yeah. Who won the movie? The masseuse. Yeah.

Who won the movie? I'm going to go Daniel Harris because I think Bree's a little new life into it. And she's really good. The way it ends, you're just like, holy shit, that's a terrifying last shot of her holding the scissors. So yeah, I'll go Daniel Harris. He's probably right, but I'm going to go Michael Myers. I had Myers as well, but I liked the Daniel Harris call. Yeah, Myers starts the franchise. We make 10 of these. Producer Craig, not a horror movie guy. Didn't enjoy Scary Month. Can't wait to get to next week.

What'd you think? Sure. You know. Yeah. How many Halloween movies have you seen now? I've only seen Halloween one. So now just two. Okay. So this was a nice follow-up based on what it sounds like two and three are. Yeah. That this feels like a natural follow-up to that. Yeah, look. Uh...

The look and feel of these movies I like a lot because these feel like holiday movies to me. Unlike The Conjuring or Insidious or something. I'm like, this is like holiday horror, which I like. This is watchable. It's still scary in moments, but the level of kitsch, it just feels inviting. Honestly, there's a lot of parallels to Stranger Things when I watch these movies. I think that they very purposely referenced some of the earlier ones.

and I just think that I know that Stranger Things a lot of people that you know the Spielberg influence but I also think Halloween looks a lot like the idea of like the cursed city Haddonfield versus Hawkins is Haddonfield the music is very similar yeah for sure so Stranger Things ripped off Halloween but it ripped off the genre there were many cursed cities right like Springfield like all it is and it borrows from the 80s kind of vibe Buffalo the camp the scents the leaves blowing across the suburban streets yeah kind of thing

I have a question for you. Yeah. I thought about this while I was watching the movie, knowing that we would be talking about it. Are you a Brady? Was that high school Craig? Elaborate on that question. Yeah, this feels like a tough one to answer. So I'm thinking, when I'm thinking about Brady, I'm thinking about a guy who means well, might have too much dip on his chip, caught between two ladies. And I'm like, is Craig Brady? Are you a Brady? Do you see yourself in Brady from this movie?

You're saying that I did I find myself in predicaments in high school where I had to decide between love triangles, two paths in life, two paths, two ladies, two loves, two loves. But then you make the good decision in the end. Like I could see you because Brady is not bad. Brady makes a impetuous, youthful decision. But then at the end, Brady steps up. Sure. There might be some parallels between Brady and I, but I'll plead the fifth. There you go. Yeah, that's smart.

So you like this movie? Yeah, these are fun. I have a good time with these. It's not as gory, too. No, these are like easy fun. Like I said, this is holiday horror, which I think it's an inviting feel. Also, the music is just so much better than anything. I was at a bar last weekend, and they remixed this song, and everybody was so into it. To me, the music...

that's the scariest part of the thing. Like when you, when that comes on, you know, that wins the movie to me. Every, I mean, that's actually the music. He's actually. Yeah. All right. So scary month is over. What was your favorite of the five? We did. I think poltergeist.

I like the poltergeist. Again, it's simple. You can see why I like that in this over, you know, hereditary. And what was the other one we did? Hereditary is just. You hated hereditary. Yeah. I don't think, I think that should be wiped from the internet. We had a couple, we had a couple that we didn't do. Well, we'll save it. We'll do another scary month. We have some good ones left. Halloween 25.

What was that one? No, Halloween. Oh, Halloween 2025. Are we going to have like a palate cleanser next week? Are we going to do like Shrek? Not really. We have some better plans. It will not be a palate cleanser. I can't wait for your reaction next week. Bill, thanks for having me. CR, man, thanks very much. Thank you, brother. Don't forget to watch us on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel. Thanks to Craig Krolbeck for producing. See you next week.