‘Breaking Away’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
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The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the big picture with Sean Fennessey. That's right. Doing monologues now, coward style. Yeah. The thing about movies is you need an alpha. Don't forget. Furiosa is an alpha. She is. Is Furiosa a character? Yeah. Yes. She's an alpha. Not going to see that one. Okay. CR, what are you doing? You still working? Nothing. It's kind of laying low right now.

I don't know what month this is. We'll talk about that in a second. But Breaking Away, one of the best movies for me for the 70s is next. 20th Century Fox presents Breaking Away. The story of four guys in imminent danger of turning 20. Breaking Away.

how you doing guys well we're a little disturbed by the developments in the middle east but who refused to give up immaturity without a fight smart move shorty breaking away somewhere between growing up and settling down it happens to all of us all right guys we did slap shot last week the following theme months are still alive as we head into breaking away which came out in 1979 this is one of the best sports movies i think ever

70s month is still alive. Okay. 70s sports month is still alive. Sports movie month is still alive. And Paul Dooley month is still alive. Yes, Dooley. Wow. Okay, so what's next? Robert Altman's a wedding? 16 candles. Yeah, that's a good one. And then we just freelance with the fourth Dooley. Okay. Maybe have the audience vote for it. What if we pretend like Dooley's in heat? It's like, yeah, you guys didn't see him. He's in the back of the bank.

Dooley month would be better than rock bottom month. We could keep the sports. He's in Strange Bruce. He's in Death Wish. You could keep Dooley going with sports. He's in Death Wish? Yeah. That also fits 70s movie. We have a lot of crossover here. Well, Dooley month is still in play. Breaking away. I love this movie. Let's start here. CR. Okay. The foursome movie. Oh, yeah. The Beatles. Breaking away. Boys in the Hood. Stand by me. Better known as the Byron Mayo. The Hangover. The Foursome.

The Hangover, Heathers, Mean Girls. On TV, we had Entourage, Sex and the City, Girls, The O.C. Get the four. They're all different than each other. There's an alpha, but then there's like a backup alpha. There's like the weird smart one. There's like the wild card one. Or maybe it's a little one like in this movie. Like Moocher? Yeah. Why aren't there more foursome movies? I mean, I think you just rattle off a bunch. I think it's a great starting point for any movie, especially about youth. Because you get to do the four quadrants. You can...

You can find out about all these different guys in different ways. Is Diner a foursome or is it more than four? No, it's six. I did a lot of research for this, actually. American Pie I thought was four, but it's really five. I love the idea of you going to the Smithsonian and like really doing the work to find out how many foursome movies there are. It was a much better Google search than Premature Ejaculator. All the president's men, the camera's going up. Bill's like, how many guys are in Last Picture Show? Morgan Freeman in seven, you know, reading in the library after it's closed. A lot of times it's three.

Yeah. And I think four is better. Okay. Okay. Because four gives you the wild card character, like in this movie, the Jackie Earl Haley, who's in your New York, uh, late two thousands, early 2010 CR. Oh, my CR. My crew. Yeah. You and Greenwald. Who are the other two? Me, Sean, Zach, and Kara Monica used to roll as a foursome. They, me and Greenwald and Chuck and, and you know, like don't let, like we had, we had it. See, Chuck would be great in a foursome movie.

He's basically the Daniel Stern character. I was going to say, he's sterile. Yeah, super thoughtful, kind of crazy. Knows how to protect himself with a bowling ball. Yeah. Kicking and Screaming was three plus the Skippy character. Skippy's in the crew, right? Yeah, I think that counts as four. I don't know. What's his name? Carlos Jacote? Carlos Jacote? Whatever. Where do you stand on Forza movies? I think they're great. I think they're really fun. I think they're like perfect though for a sports movie because like

they're a team. Like, when you're in a friendship group that is like that, that is that number, you all kind of, like, play a part the same way that you play a part when you're on a team together, you know? And so, in this case, like, the fact that they're synced together so well. And you don't really know that that's going to happen when you're watching this movie. You don't really think, like, oh, they're all going to come together to do something because there's no real indication of that until, like, an hour into the movie. But I think they're a lot of fun. The best part about this is also, like, the...

the sort of natural inclination of people to split away and the guy who's trying to keep it together. Yeah. We have to get jobs together. We have to like quit those jobs together. Right. We swim together. We tan together. We play sports together. We go for checks together. It's like the guy who's like, I need this to be, this is my team. I need this to keep going. And the people who are like, yeah, okay. But like, I'm going to go to Chicago or I'm going to go to college or I'm going to do whatever. Did you have a quartet?

No, it was always bigger or smaller. I think four, it works the best in pregame shows. Yes. Yeah. A long time point of yours. Golf foursomes, if it's the right four people, are always fun. And dinner is always the best.

If you have the fifth person for dinner and just fucks the dinner up, then it's like two separate conversations. It's a great four feels like, and two people can team up against the other two people in some ways. Some can be closer. And that's part of the Beatles get back, right? It was the four, but it was really the two. And then the other two were subjugated. So you get all this hierarchy shit too. Um,

This is one of the best ones for foursomes. But the other thing I was thinking, we'll get to sports movies in a second, but the... This is a great opening bell take by you. The foursome movie. Foursome. There's this... I actually don't know why there's not more. I feel like they should be cranking them out all the time. There's four brothers. The Wahlberg movie, you know? Yeah. Maybe The Hangover kind of put the... It's holding on to the crown for that for a while. You know, like they established something. Did I have that in there? Yeah, you mentioned it.

Another one. One of you mentioned this before about the welterweight belt. I was thinking about the welterweight movie championship, which isn't an every year belt, but these movies that

are beloved movies that didn't cost a lot of money that then had this outsize importance and feel like a heavyweight, but they were really 147 pounds. So just some examples. Breaking Away, Diner, She's Gotta Have It, Sex, Lies, and Videotape, Before Sunrise, You Can Count on Me, Memento, In the Bedroom, Lost in Translation, Little Miss Sunshine, Fruitvale, Moonlight. These movies like

They weren't made with the same kind of budget. Yeah. They were underdogs the whole way. But now we look at them backwards and they're like, oh, those are giant movies. And it's like, that's actually not what they intended. I was just thinking about this last night as I was going through this movie and it's, it's Oscar footprint. And I was like, this is the past lives of 1979, you know, where it's like, this is just a smaller movie. It's a character piece, you know, it's made with just a lot of heart and sincerity and thoughtfulness. And it just

caught on with people. It just clicked. Before we came on, he was just talking about its obvious influence on Dazed and Confused, which is probably another... That's another one. But the only thing with Dazed and Confused, some of the movies don't do well. Dazed and Confused didn't really do well and then belatedly did well, right? This movie did well when it came out and they started putting it in more and more theaters. So there's this weird line of

you know, sometimes these movies that we think, oh, the indie eventual, like swingers was like this swingers. It was not a big movie. It was quiet in theaters, but then on home video, just like dazed. I, but yeah, this movie was, did pretty well in movie theaters the same way that like, um,

Yeah, this movie made $20 million in 1979. Yeah. With a $2.3 million budget. With no stars. If you're doing 10 times what your budget was for a small movie, that's crazy. I kind of can't, I just can't believe they don't just make two of these a year. You know? That's why I was going with a foursome movie. If I was watching TV or I was at the movies and a preview came on, it's like, these four guys are going to be in a bike race. I'd be like, eh, I'll probably just break it away. Yeah.

You know, it's like of all the things that we get, you know, it's like we just don't get a sports movie that's a David versus Goliath story. Well, I think even more than that, you don't get one made by the guy who made Bullet. Like that's the other thing is like he's the one person who's like so overqualified for this movie. And I think that that is part of what elevates the movie. That's John Avildsen in Rocky. Sometimes you strike oil with like...

these half decent scripts with a really good premise but then the right person's like oh yeah I'll do that one and then all of a sudden it happens yeah it's like Peter Weir doing Dead Poets where you're like they didn't have to do they didn't have to make a high school movie he didn't have to make a high school movie and then he knocks it out of the park can we talk about Peter Yates really quick yeah

He made, for the people listening, he made Bullet with McQueen. I think he's a big interesting intersection for the three of us, too, in our tastes. Because I know there's at least one that you really like. Well, he made Eddie Coyle. He made Mother, Jugs, and Speed. He made The Deep, which I think was one of the most important movies of my childhood. Just for like, wait, she's hot. Breaking away.

I Witness, which people are torn on, but I just think it's an interesting movie with the two stars at the point in their career. And then you did Suspect with Cher. I also really like Hot Rock. It's one of my favorites. And Krull was a big VHS fantasy adventure movie for me when I was a kid. We'll set Anthony, huh? Yeah. Bullet was probably his most famous movie. Breaking Away was, I think, his most critically successful movie. I finally read the Tarantino book, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Which I loved. I thought it was great. Cinema speculation. I'm sure a lot of people who listen to this have probably read it or thought about reading it. I loved it. I thought it was so good. But he has a whole bullet chapter and was talking about the mechanics of McQueen in that movie about...

McQueen's attitude toward movie stardom. I thought it was so cool about how he would give lines away. He would like less is more. I just want to chew up scenery. Just let me be a star. Like didn't really care about plots as much. And Tarantino writes this whole chapter about how brilliant bullet is because it's not brilliant. Yeah. It's brilliantly unbrilliant. And I was trying to think of like, what movie is like that now where somebody is like, no, actually take some,

You know, it's almost like you're serving a dinner. It's like, no, actually take the sweet potatoes away. Take the broccoli away. Just stick with those three things and then we'll bring in the soup and we're probably good. We were just talking about, before we started, Gosling and the Fall Guy and, you know, his whole career and how most of his hits are more female-oriented movies like The Notebook and Barbie. But...

For the real heads, it's these like really reserved, kind of like fake McQueen movies like Drive. Right. Where he has no dialogue. Yeah. And he's just looking cool as hell. Right. And that's like his, the decision he's made. It's like placed beyond the pines. He's just wearing a Metallica t-shirt.

and he has blonde hair and doesn't talk. I don't know how many actors have figured that out of the modern era, but I think Pitt realizes like every couple years I just have to be movie star Brad Pitt. He's becoming less and less verbal too. Like I feel like, you know, once upon a time in Hollywood, he spends most of his time just kind of mugging. Chewing on an apple. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to an interview with Chris Pine recently because he directed his first movie and he was like doing the press tour. He's telling the story about

working on the Jack Ryan movie Shadow Recruit and he was like I wish that movie would have done better I love that character but I'm really glad I did the movie because I got to work with Kevin Costner and the thing that Kevin Costner told me is basically what you were just saying about McQueen where he was just like it doesn't really matter what's going on in the movie he's like you need to hold the weight of

of the movie on your face. And the camera will figure it out if you care enough to make this movie work. Which is like, on the one hand, crazy movie star bullshit, but also like, kind of true. You know when you're watching a movie and you're like, man, I really care what happens to this person. Newman in Slapshot last week, just some of the scenes he has with no, just his facial expressions. But anyway, Yates did Bullet, which was

You know, I think one of the most important action movies of the 60s and 70s, right? Kind of like a turning point, I feel like. Yeah, definitely one of them. Um,

But then Eddie Coyle was the kind of movie that, you know, that's like laying the seeds for all the movies that CR and I probably like more than everyone else on the planet. Yeah, I mean, it's one of my favorite crime novels, the George V. Higgins book, but the rendition of that is just incredible. Just people kind of watching people from across the street as they go and get stuff.

And that's like a scene. His sense of place is pretty amazing. When you think about coils, Boston, right? Like, uh, the Bay area for bullet. The deep and the deep and then scary. The chicken blood just, but where, where were you in the Caribbean? And now when I can remember, and then just like,

How fully realized Bloomington is here. Yeah. And you just feel like... By an English director. Yeah, you can tell what the weather is. You can tell, oh, it's really humid here today, probably. You have that feeling as you're going through the movie. It does so much. Because this movie is like an hour and 40 minutes. And it's so deep and so complex in a lot of ways. But it just never slows down. It's just like it keeps going in this one direction.

It's an emotional movie. Yeah. Yeah. It plays a lot of the sports movie hits, but doesn't do it intentionally. Can I ask you... There's a lot of that, like...

Maybe those guys are better than us. Like it's got like some of those beats, but they're all earned and it's all really smart. This happens every once in a while when we're doing a movie that was probably really big for us when we were kids or younger. And then we've revisited it for this pod. But did you guys, were you guys struck by like being drawn to the parents more this time? Or like how much parents there is in this movie? Because I think when I was a kid,

I don't know if I zoned out during the Barbara Barry, Paul Dooley scenes, but I only thought of this as a bicycling and young guy movie. And then when you watch it now, it's like 50-50. Well, it's the best scene and the best dramatic scene in the movie is when he finally is hugging his dad and won't let him go. And then it just cuts to the mom. She's got the perfect look on her face, crying. The other thing that I noticed that is related to that that is so striking is the way that they talk about Cyril and Cyril's dad

And then the last scene when Cyril is like looking around for somebody to hug and there's no one there for him. Yeah. Which is kind of similar. Like I don't. I had that written down too. I would have never clocked that. But it's the same thing that you're talking about. It's like the parents and the way like the role that they play, especially for like you literally have a daughter. Yeah. The age of these guys right now. It's a weird time in your life. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, the Daniel Stern, it's such a cool choice that they decided to do that versus just the sports movie ending. Yeah. He's like, this is the greatest moment of my life, but now I'm sad. Yeah. I don't have a person. I had this written down. Just the best sports movie scripts ever. And I think this is one of them. Written by Steve Tesich, who won the Oscar. McGuire, we did. I think Rocky as a script is really good. Yes, definitely. Even though it's crazy because Stallone wrote it,

I still feel like it's in the combo. It's a great script. Bull Durham. And I think The Way Back I would put up there. Really? Yeah. I think that script, I think that movie is unbelievable. We'll do it at some point. Yeah. I think that's so well written and well crafted. That's cool to have a modern one in there. But I'm sure there's more, but those were the first five that jumped to my head. But, you know, with sports movies, usually the script matters less.

You know, it's more matters like who's going to be the hero. Yeah. How, what are the mechanics of sports throughout the movie? What are we leading to? What's that last 20 minutes going to look like? Yeah. I would add, I would add money ball to that too. Cause that's like a very unlikely. Yeah. That's a good call. Cause it was such a hard one. And if people are out there, like the, there's various versions of the money ball script that are floating around online. So you can see like Sorkin's version. Yeah. And then what happened when it kind of got redone a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah, Creed's a good one too. But this one is just like, this is an awesome indie script that they just made into a great sports movie. I did my 70s sports movie Pantheon. Okay. Didn't tell you guys. Is it a pyramid? It's a pyramid. A pyramid? Yeah. I have not been present for one of the pyramid unveilings, so I feel honored. You weren't here for premature ejaculation. I missed that. It was Mount Rushmore. I was really sad I missed that. It was Mount Came Too Fastmore. Getting facts straight.

By the way, apologies to the guy from the beginning of Halloween. One of my buddies was outraged we didn't put him in. They go upstairs. He's gone like two seconds later. It's a tough one. Sadly, he didn't get murdered by Michael Myers. Maybe down the road. He just has to live with his shame. 70s sports movie pyramid. Mount came too fast more? Mount came too fast more. Yeah. 70s sports movie pyramid. I got Rocky at the top. Okay.

In the triangle alone? Top level. Okay. When you're making your pyramid, is it personal preference or is it importance? I think it's everything. I just think Rocky's the most important sports movie this decade for a slew of reasons. It also did really well when it came out. It's a really good movie. It's a little slow now. Is it the most important sports movie of all time? I think it probably is. It's definitely, if you're just talking about impact and how much something's been ripped off and...

imitated and that's another really good chapter in the qt book is the rocky rocky two stuff yeah um next level longest yard and breaking away have them two and three okay longest yard because it's like the first great modern sports movie breaking away because it's such a great just start to finish film with real characters and this world you just go into and it's fucking awesome we'll talk about it next level i have slap shot bad news bears and rollerball

which I think are all great movies for different reasons and really distinct. And also like Bad News Bears got ripped off a bunch too. Slapshot we talked about last week and Rollerball is just like an amazing look at where football's going. Yeah. And maybe where society's going. Then that next level, Jericho Mile, Rocky II, North Dallas 40, Downhill Racer. Oh yeah. That's my top 10. Downhill Racer 69.

I thought it was 70. 69. I'm going to have to bump it. Damn it. Well, now there's a slot open. Now there's a slot. Okay. 69, really? Pretty sure. Yeah. One of my faves. All right. Well, Bad News Bears 2, Breaking Training is going to get to 10th spot. What about Fat City? I don't know that one. The boxing movie? Stacey Keach. Really good. If you haven't seen it, recommend it. I had Fast Break, One-on-One, Fish That Saves Pittsburgh, and Bingo Long.

As honorable mentions. I like bingo long. I'll have to figure out that. What's the one that you're always like, I'm personally insulting you by having not seen? Yeah, it fucking makes me mad. What is it? Inside Moves, but it's 1980. Okay. Yeah, you're a jerk. Somebody from this movie is in Inside Moves. Jackie O'Reilly. Jackie O'Reilly. Anyway, but the top 10. So Bad News 2 gets moved into the top 10. That's exciting. Third best movie of the 70s, in my opinion, for sports. Breaking Away. Yeah.

Did you say Slapshot? You did. He has a book beneath this and what's the other? Rocky Longest Yard, Breaking Away, Slapshot, Bad News Bears, Rollerball. What's your favorite? Slapshot. Definitely. Rollerball is pretty interesting. It's kind of like a me moving Saul ideas and, you know, like the corporation destroying the player and everything. Kind of a great, like they should just remake that with LeBron. That would just be amazing. Wouldn't that be incredible? Like right now. With Clutch? I have Jericho much higher, I think. Yeah.

It gets tough, man. The top, I think the top seven in some order is pretty established. And then it drops off to the Rocky two. North Dallas 40 is close, but that movie has the Mac Davis being like,

the quarterback, I can't really... That's a really tough one. I love him at the... I just rewatched it. He's really good in the movie, but he's so unrealistic as a quarterback. Yeah, yeah. But it's weird. It's his first movie. And he's really good. He's going toe-to-toe with Nolte, basically. Yeah, he's really good. He plays really well. But I guess, was he like a Doug Flutie type? I don't know. I don't know. Bingo Long is...

Really fun to watch, but really slow and really 70s. It's a movie that feels like it came out. There's some like Brian Song and Bang the Drum Slowly and Big Ol' Long that really feel like they came out 50 years ago. Yeah, so this one. Can you not get into Bang the Drum Slowly because it's the Yankees? No, it's just that movie feels like it came out in like 1950. It's a first in a row movie. For this movie, one of the interesting wrinkles, Dennis Quaid.

You could make a case as the star of the movie, even though he's not. I think you make the case for a couple of different people in the film. I mean, he's became the most famous person in the movie, but he's not the star of the movie. He's the most, to me, the most important of the four. No. For what his character. No, no, no. Hear me out. For what his character is, like the story they're trying to tell. Like this guy's like, I've already peaked. Yeah.

I'm not really smart enough to do anything about it, but I'm self-aware enough to know that I've already peaked. You can kind of see where his life's going in a lot of ways. The other guys, it's like, hey, Jackie Rojalo is going to marry that girl. They'll have some kids. They're going to stay there. The Daniel Stern character, I don't know. He might get out. You could see him going cross-country. The Dennis Christopher character, I don't know where he's going, but he'll take a swing. He's got a loving family. It'll be something. Quaid is like...

This is who I am. I'm here. I'm probably fucked. One of the key reasons I like this movie is that this movie doesn't follow the Dennis Quaid character. Like, 99 out of 100 times, he is the lead. Yeah. Do you go back to his house? We need you to ride the bike. Yeah. He gets on the bike when Dave gets hurt. He's the best. Yeah. He's the best monologue in the movie, though. Oh, with about, like, they're going to stay the same age and we're going to keep getting older? Yeah. I'll tell you.

I'll do it later when we get to it. I mean, he's great in the movie, don't get me wrong, and he's a really important character, but this is totally Dennis Christopher's movie, in my opinion. There's this weird thing that happens when you go back and watch films that have ensembles like this, and either some or all of the people have become stars since then. But they're unknowns then, because, like, Yates very conscientiously, like, cast this movie where he was like, we needed to have...

unknown or like young actors who were not particularly self-aware about like their public identity or what people saw in them because you needed to be able to truthfully be these characters throughout all these different kinds of moments and we've talked about that a lot of yeah that's like renee zellweger and jerry mcguire yeah right right and it's just it's an interesting that quaid winds up having this massive career after this movie

But is, I think, a supporting character to the Dave character, ultimately. I wonder if because he's just a little bit older than some of the other guys, too, and he'd been in Hollywood for a few years, that they're almost like preying upon his, like, is he really going to make it quality that, like, the character really needs to, where he's like, is my life over already? I got to be, like, an uncredited stand-in on two movies in the early 70s, and maybe I won't do anything anymore. I don't know. Bob with PJ Souls at this point. Get to her in a second. Yeah.

Oscars, best original screenplay winner. Nominated for best picture, director, score, and supporting actress. Stunning. Come on. Five Oscar nominations. Kramer vs. Kramer kind of blew this movie out of the water. Meryl Streep, the movie itself, the director. But Steve Tesich wrote Breaking Away, Four Friends, Eyewitness, Word of Court, and Garboard American Flyers.

in like a five-year run. Dude loves bikes. Yeah. Loves cycling. But was a big playwright. Yeah. And then died pretty young. Kind of peaked in the seven-year window and that was it. Yeah. But... Murder Flyers is also pretty cool too. Yeah. Well, you know I love that movie. And this was like two scripts that he had that I think they put together basically. Yeah. 2.3 million budget made 20 million. Roger Ebert, four stars. Yeah. Welcome back, Raj. Love this movie. Welcome back, Raj. Still reeling from Fast Times.

One star. What did he call it? A scuzz pit? I think he was like, this is such a vulgar use of Jennifer Jason Leigh. Yeah. Didn't he use the word scuzz pit? Yeah. He said Fast Times was a scuzz pit? He said scuzz pit. Bad take. It's a really bad take. Quote, Breaking Away is a wonderfully sunny, funny, goofy, intelligent movie that makes you feel about as good as any movie in a long time. It is in fact a treasure.

which is why it's in half as many theaters as Trash Like Bloodline. Raj went on a fucking rant. Bloodline was with Audrey Hepburn and Ben Gazzara, who went on to play the guy in Roadhouse. Yeah. It was based on a Sidney Sheldon movie, and Raj hated it. I read that review, too. I was very upset about it. Raj was doing the Where Are Movies Going in 1979. It's kind of fun when you do the drive-by on another movie in a different film's review. That's very rare for him. I think also...

He didn't, he's kind of a moralist, you know? And like when it gets into the 80s and all the slasher movies, he gets really cranky. Him and Siskel are like complaining about Friday the 13th and stuff. And this is like the early stages of him being like, what's happening to our movie culture? Like the new Hollywood is dying. Yeah. His other shit is coming along that he doesn't like very much. He would have loved Red Notice. He also said, breaking away is a movie to embrace.

Movies like this are hardly ever made at all. When they're made this well, they're precious cinematic miracles. 1979. Yeah. How many years ago was that? That's, yeah, 45 years ago. 21 times. It's 40, 45. I'm trying to do math here. 45. 45. 45 years ago. So Raj was worried about movies 45 years ago. Yeah. And,

And now nobody will go to movies anymore. He's just like me for real. At least people went to movies back then. They'd be like, oh, I heard good things about Breaking Away. I'll go to the theater and see it. The make it for $2 million and it makes 10x is like a good business model. That's the business model. So nowadays Breaking Away does what? It never is released in a theater? Yeah, it's a Disney Plus movie. Sundance bought by Apple? Yep.

And then it's just on the screen next to like that Colin Farrell show, Sugar. It's like, Sugar, we're breaking away. What do you want to do tonight? I saw Chris over the weekend and he and someone else were talking about Sugar. And I know there's a big twist in Sugar and I just had him tell it to me and I couldn't believe it. Did you know this? We don't want to spoil it, but I could not believe it. Colin Farrell wants it being Italian. What? Colin Farrell hates mojitos. He's like, no, these things suck.

1979 box office is kind of interesting because it's like both things you're talking about. It's like on the one hand, it's Kramer versus Kramer and Apocalypse Now. And on the other hand, it's Amityville Horror, Rocky II, Star Trek, the movie, Alien. Wasn't 10 this year? Moonraker 10, the Muppet movie. Like, it's like the rise of the franchise, the rise of the recognizable thing that you enjoy. And also, Kramer versus Kramer is the biggest movie of the year. That's so crazy. How much did it make? 106 million.

Adjust it. That's a lot. Yeah. That's a shitload. 300 million? 400 million? Top 10 domestic. First of all, no movie made $100 million in the calendar year in 79. Superman. The Amityville Horror. Do I have anybody with me on Amityville Horror? Why do you keep asking that? Who do you think you're talking to? I think it's fine.

So you're not invited. I think it's okay. Rocky II, Star Trek, Alien, Apocalypse, 10, The Jerk, Moonraker, Meatballs, Escape from Alcatraz, Manhattan. That was our top 12. Also, The Warriors came out this year and Breaking Away and Kramer vs. Kramer, which made most of its money in 1980. Fish That Save Pittsburgh, Great Santini. You love a little Santini, right? Some great movies. I like Santini. I don't like when they...

are made to stand shot in that movie. It's tough for me. I heard you...

Just blaspheming Robert Duvall on your podcast. I want to say I just straight up do not appreciate it. I think you should just watch his work in network and you can see that he was an alpha. He was the Luca of his time. So Jason Tatum's averaging 30 points a game. Duvall is a legend. So is Jason Tatum. You think Jason Tatum is a legend? No, I think Jason Tatum's on pace to hit a lot of checkpoints, just like our guy Bob Duvall.

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Alright, most rewatchable scene. Opening credits. Can I just say, what a fucking opening credits. When it cuts the shot, the wide shot of the quarry and it's just directed by Peter Yates, you're like, I know these dudes already. I'm in good hands. This is awesome. I wrote the same thing. They nailed the four guys in two and a half minutes. Sense of place. You're like, I know all these dudes. Alright, the little guy, they're going to make fun of him. That's clearly the best athlete who's going to get in a fight later.

Here's the quirky one with the blonde hair. And then Daniel Stern, I know. Watching it this time, I had forgotten that I think, is it Stern or Quaid? But Stern, I think, has the line where he's like, what is 19? When you're 16, they call it sweet 16. And when you're 18, you get to drink and vote and see dirty movies. What the hell do you get to do when you're 19? You leave home.

Nobody cares when you're 19 and he's right. Nobody cares when you're 19. Somebody else says you get to move out of your house. Like you get to move out. Like basically that's what you have to look for. If you can, if you can. Yeah. And we have to get crazy Dave reading, uh, writing and singing in Italian. Like, ah, this guy's a nut job. Next one, Mike pretending he drowned and then getting pissed at the, uh, India university kids show up. This is the big Dennis Quaid part.

I mean, here I am, I gotta live in this stinkin' town, and I gotta read in the newspapers about some hot-shot kid, new star of the college team. Every year there's gonna be a new one. Every year there's never gonna be me. I'm just gonna be Mike. 20-year-old Mike, 30-year-old Mike. Old mean old man Mike. These college kids out here, they're never gonna get old. They're out of shape. 'Cause new ones come along every year, they're gonna keep calling us cutters. Them is just a dirty word.

Me is just something else I never got a chance to be. They're going to keep calling us cutters. To them, it's just a dirty word. To me, it's just something else I never got a chance to be. It's really going for it. It's like a fucking Bruce Springsteen song right there. He was saying he was a really great quarterback. He won't smoke cigarettes because he wants to stay in shape. Every year, it's a new quarterback. Every year, it's not going to be me. It's going to be Mike, 20-year-old Mike, 30-year-old Mike, old mean old man Mike. Really going places. Yeah.

DQ. Tragic. Tragic figure. You like Dennis Quaid as an actor? I have another part of the pod where I want to discuss this. The scene when Dave chases the truck. The Shinzano truck, yeah. It's fucking awesome. Love his part. One of the cool things about this movie, and I remember one of the people that wrote about it said this, so I'm stealing the point.

But you always feel like something terrible is going to happen, but nothing ever does. Like probably the closest is when he hits his head when he's swimming. Yeah. I think that's in the Ebert review. Maybe it is. Yeah. There's like this sense of doom, but there's never actually doom. So when he's following the truck, you just assume the guy's going to jam on the brakes and he's going to slam into it. But he doesn't. It ends up being like a pleasant interaction. The guy gets a speeding ticket. Yeah. It's such a low wattage movie in terms of conflict. Like nothing's really at stake. There's like a bowling alley fight. Yeah. The...

Mike racing. This is the one time someone gets hurt when he races the Hart Wagner character in the, uh, in the pool. What a great villain that guy is. We'll talk about him later. CR, where'd you stand on the Sinzano 100?

The Italians acted, I thought, kind of unsportsmanlike. Yeah, definitely. They really come off as pricks. But that's so great that you romanticize something your whole life. And when you finally get a chance to be around it, they're just like these fucking asshole Italians who are just like, come on, man, fall back. We're here to put on a show. I love that scene immediately afterwards when he goes back home and basically says to his dad, like, I'm dropping the Italian act. Everybody cheats. You know, everybody cheats. Had that one as well.

The crying mom, I think, is part of that scene too. Do you want to defend the Italians in any way, being half Italian? I don't. We're not proud of the behavior. They disgraced all of us Italians and half Italians. The little 500 race, which is the last 15 minutes of this movie, the Indiana song is incredible. Dave gets hurt because we have to have some sort of conflict. The little guy gets on the bike.

The villains taunt the little guy. Look at the little guy. Mike gets pissed. It's like, come on, Mike. Fucking suck it up, dude. He steps up. I still feel like this is Mike's movie as much as Dave's movie. We need Mike to get on the fucking bike. Yeah. And to get over his whole thing that he's just going to grow old and not matter in this town. Like, here's your moment, Mike. Gets on the bike. Busts his ass around a couple times. Dave gets taped back on. And then...

I think one of the best moments in any sports movie, the wide shot for the last two laps. Oh my God. Holy shit. Yeah. So cool. Number one, still leading. 34 coming up very close on the inside. And 34!

I don't know how they did it. It's like that Creed thing we talked about when we did the Creed pod. And it starts before it goes to the wide shot. There's that cut of Dave's perspective of the crowd going by and going nuts as he's gaining on them. And it's such an awesome... Thousands of extras.

overhead shot at the flash finish. Never cuts away from it. Keeps it. Incredible. Incredible. Such cool filmmaking. Two laps. It's like about over a minute. It's like 70, 75 seconds. And then the way that they're battling, I don't know how he does it, but he makes his move, but he can't get by him. And then you're like, oh shit, he's not going to be able to get by him. And then all of a sudden he gets the inside track and just beats him.

It's really great. It's so cool. It's easily my pick because it's just so exciting. Yeah, the last race is just so perfect. Would you give it the Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop too when he crosses the finish line? I think I gotta give it to his serenading Catherine, but yeah. I also do like the IU song Over the Credits. It's a fun one too. Great celebration. Dana Stern, Nobody to Hug. Celebration stand. That's gotta be the most rewatchable scene, right? Amazing, yeah. I really like the opening credits. Paul Dooley bringing him in tight.

What's aged the best? What do you guys hear? I think, I think college towns. I, one of, one of the things I just wanted to talk about was like, I think the ones that I spent the most time in was like Poughkeepsie because I had some friends who went to Vassar. Yeah. Um, but like that, the, the townie versus the college kids tension, but also like,

This town is just big enough to like keep you occupied and do some stuff, but it's still really small. And you will walk by the same people two or three times in a day. You, everybody goes to the same three bars. Everybody goes cause it's same two pizza parlors. That microcosm is a perfect like movie setting. I wish, I wish we had more college movies that were set in places like that. Did you guys have people to visit who were in college when you were kids? Yes. I used to go, I guess when we were kids or when we were like in college,

kids. No. Like nine? Like how old? Because I only knew the only colleges I knew were Holy Cross because we used to go there for basketball games. So it'd be like, oh, they have a hill and kids walk around. And then BC seemed huge.

And then Stonehill, because my Aunt Louise and Michael Don went there, and that was, like, tiny. Yeah. So then I would see Breaking Away. I'm like, whoa, it's, like, a whole city? Do people go to college? Like, I just had no concept of what it was. Same. I don't think I saw a college campus other than St. John's until I visited colleges that I would go to. Yeah. So these movies have, like, yeah. I think to what you're saying, though, like,

I would watch these college movies and I'm like so interested in college, like what the, just what it was. That's so funny. He's going to serenade these girls at a dorm. Is this where the girls, they all live in a dorm? Is this what happens? You just don't know. How are you going to know any better? Probably just from movies is the only thing I knew about it. Also, I just feel like the state of Indiana and sports in 1979 has aged really well. This is, this is Bert, right? This is like the beginning of,

the Larry, isn't it? Isn't 78, 79 is like the Indiana state Michigan state game. I mean, imagine the fever in Indiana when this movie came out. I had this for a hottest take. I'll just do now. Oh, wow. Apex mountain for Indiana right here.

Bobby Knight, most famous basketball coach in the world. He recruits Isaiah Thomas in 1979. Okay. Larry Bird's at Indiana State going undefeated. Uh-huh. About to go with magic. Wayne Gretzky's on the WHA team. Oh. Is he? In 78, 79. And Mark Messier. No. And the team folds as they're filming this movie. Was it an Edmonton Farm League team? No. It was just they fold and they sold the kids. Yeah. Breaking away they're making. Michael Jackson releases off the wall in 1979. Famous Indiana person. That's right. Gary, yeah.

The Yankees in 1979 draft Don Mattingly. Indiana's own. Yeah. Indiana's own. Holy shit. There's an awesome. Indiana's really cranking them out. Yeah. There's an awesome Indy 500 that year. Rick Mears beats Al Unser Jr. Research that. Cool. Jane Pauly, the first lady of Indiana, is hosting the Today Show with Tom Brokaw. They're killing everybody. Jesus. He ends up getting promoted. Okay. And then Letterman is guest hosting for Carson about to get his NBC show. Indiana's fucking killing it in 1979. Wow. Now they got Caitlin Clark.

Maybe it's a comeback. Maybe somebody's filming Breaking Bad. What was Mike Pence up to back then? Mike Pence was having ideas. That's a good one, though, for what's aged the best. Cycling movies. I just like cycling movies because they're better than running movies.

Cycling movies, it feels like there's more, there's crash potential. Sure. And somebody might get sideswiped. Somebody might get pushed off. Running, people are just running. What's going to happen? It's cinematic. Step on someone's foot. Cycling. Just works better. Are you in or out on Chariots of Fire?

It's kind of like the eating broccoli of great Oscars movies in the early 80s. A couple of those. I agree. Out of Africa also. Gandhi's like that too. The great movie, I wouldn't be like, hey, let's watch Gandhi tonight. We should redo the Oscars, but just in the 80s. I just feel like they fucked it up every time. It just got too pretentious. Yeah. It was like the perception of what an Oscar movie was versus just what should have won. You should do that on the YouTube channel this summer. Let's do it. Die Hard 2 should have won. Yeah.

CR, how about this for what's aged the best? The pink polo wearing, blue Mercedes convertible driving, college swimmer, handsome villain guy. Named Rod. Named Rod. Yeah. Great villain. Who later goes on to get killed at Nakatomi Plaza. Yeah, hello to Ellis to me. That's another what's aged the best though. He's the same guy. But with a sick beard and die hard. Yeah. Robin Douglas. Elite.

Just like in the Pantheon for 70s babes. And I, you know, sometimes, sometimes,

It's like we talk about when there's just a glut in basketball. There's just a lot of stars. Sometimes not everyone can make the OMBA. It would be like the league is so talented right now. Yeah, it's like, Jalen Brown, sorry. Did you see how many players there are? You couldn't make it this year. She's going against Linda Carter, Charlie's Angels, Catherine Bach. She just gets lost in the shuffle. Meanwhile, I was putting up 25-7-9 in the game. She was the Anthony Randolph of her day. All the tools. I just rewatched The Lonely Guy.

That's her other 10 out of 10. She looks beautiful in The Lonely Guy. I love The Lonely Guy. Yeah, it's a good movie. Hart Bochner's blue 450 SL. You liked it? Yeah, I think it was a 78. Really nice. I love that moment when they've gone in reverse and he's following the car. That's such a cool shot. The 70s movies, the cars, and when they have the downtowns, there's just not a lot yet. So it's like a sicko station. There's like a diner.

There's like a hardware store, but they'll do the wide shot. And it's just like, ah, it's so simple back then. Yeah. It's like a Chipotle, you know, and just all of these chains all over the place. I was just, I love Chipotle. I was thinking about this.

I think you and I are kind of definitively East Coast, right? Like we're a little bit like a little, a little, a little, a little mean, a little competitive. Yeah. But CR, even though he's from Philly, I feel like has big like Indiana Midwest energy, like super gregarious. Like Midwestern nice. Yeah. Like, you know, there's a, there's a little darkness underneath, but like you're very open, warm. You

You want the best for everybody? Yeah, sure. Would you fit in with these guys? Yeah, you would have made more sense in Indiana. Yeah. I would have been a great IU swim coach who also directed plays. Or drama. Drama teacher. You know, another what's aged the best. Amy Wright's IMDB. She's Jackie Earl Haley's girlfriend. Nancy? She was a bridesmaid in The Deer Hunter. She was the babysitter in Amityville Horror who gets locked into the closet in the attic from Jodi, the ghost. Tough beat.

She's the inside moves, the druggie girlfriend. All four in a row, like just banging them out. Good character. It's great stuff. You haven't seen inside moves. I haven't seen inside moves. Just trying to hurt me. That's right. You know what? We're never doing Hunt for Red October until you see inside moves. How about that? How about that?

Don't tease me. Nobody will ever get your hunt for Red October takes. You were dangling the carrot of a couple movies and, you know, I'm here for you. Whatever you need. I'll watch Inside Moves right now while you guys are talking. What staged the best Taggart as Mike's brother? Oh, God. Did that one scene too where he's just like, if you keep doing this, if you keep hot rodding around campus, I'm going to take the car away and Mike's like, all

Alright. It's like, alright. You know, it's just like you get everything about the brothers there. I feel like John Ashton's been 60 years old for 70 consecutive years. I can't believe he's still alive. Yeah, he's like 28 in this movie. It's crazy. I saw him in the Axl F trailer and I honestly thought he died 10 years ago. He's back. He looked pretty good. Um, Barbara Barry would say age the best. Just awesome. One of the all-time great moms to me on screen.

Sexual being too, Chris. That's right. She has knees as well. Parents have sex too. We're learning that more and more. Her passport scene. Why I carry the passport. Just awesome. Our girl PJ Souls. Carrie, boy in plastic bubble, Halloween, rock and roll high school, breaking away, private Benjamin and stripes in six years. Married Dennis Quaid and lost out to Carrie Fisher for Princess Leia. Star Wars.

That's a very different movie with PJ souls. Yeah. It's probably, I don't think it works as well. I do love PJ souls though. Rock and roll high school. That's a great movie. She, uh, really had it going for six years there. So what's aged the best, the production team decided to call these kids cutters. Cause the actual local name was townies for, for townies was a stoners or stonies. Yeah.

And they were like, people who watch this movie will think they're all druggies. Smart move. Also, Cutters is just a sick nickname. Cutters is great. And then it kind of comes full circle when the Simpsons have the stone cutters in that episode about their Freemasons world too, so it all fits. That's all I have for What's Sage the Best.

Great check order award. Would you go the wide shot of the quarry or the wide shot of the last two laps? I mean, just for technical achievement, probably the last two laps. Although I just really like the setting of the quarry a lot. That was my Den of Thieves. I had that as well. I do love when the Italians stick. I don't even know what it is. They're sticking between the wheels. It's like an air pump. It's just like the no, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Then as soon as it goes in and you see the wheel snap, that's a great, exciting moment. Yeah.

one thing on the quarry when i was a little kid i saw this movie in the theater and you're like whoa that there's a place like that and then when you get older you're like man that core is cool that would be so much fun to go down there did you ever have anything like that no but now i see it as a parent i'm like god that's so fucking dangerous jesus so many people can get hurt and they actually did right in that space yeah the big kahuna burger where best use of food and drink the uh

The dad eating pepperoni pizza in his car listening to the race? Yeah. Looks like good pizza. Pretty relatable, yeah. The whole thing with her trying to get him to eat healthier throughout the movie and him just, I just want french fries. One of my passion points in movies, as you know, things that I love that are just stupid, like when they fuck up soccer scenes in movies where it's just clear they just had people standing on a field and one person and they just don't understand. Yeah.

I like when they get the pizza right in a movie. Yeah. And I hate when they get it wrong. If you're on pizza and the movie's going to be going for the rest of eternity on some streamer,

Make it look like a piece of pizza I'd want to eat. Sometimes they'll just be like, yeah, yeah, tell Bob to go down and grab a pizza for the scene. And it's just like this gross. Yeah. Looks like it's been in one of those things that's been turning around for an hour. Yeah, yeah. It's dried out and congealed. Whereas like in Can't Buy Me Love when he gets the pizza, Ronald. Yeah. And the guys come in and he offers the pizza. It's like delicious. Like you feel for the dude.

that they took his pizza. Do you think this Bloomington pizza is good? I think that pizza looked alright. Yeah. It was like a B-. I mean, I wouldn't really expect 1979 Bloomington pizza to be mind-blowing. I just want you guys to know, as a director, this would be a passion point of mine. Where, like, there's a pizza scene, guys. That would be, like, all the guys on set. I want to see eight different types of pizza. Hard to believe Bill Simmons' Breaking Away sequel failed at the box office. He spent $300 million on pizza consultants. Yeah. Uh,

He had David Chang doing his pizza. We just had one of these in a movie that we did on the show in Along Came Polly, where Ben Stiller's having the pizza and Philip Seymour Hoffman takes it and starts dripping all the oil onto his pizza. That looks like real New York pizza. Yeah. It's a passion point of mine, guys. Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. What do you have? I'm going rogue on this one. Um...

I don't really have a weak link. It's more just like I'm not so sure I understood or needed as much of Moocher's weird, like, I'm lifting weights in front of Nancy, we're going to get secretly married relationship. But this movie is so lean, you don't really need to cut anything out of it. Are you going to say Dennis Christopher? No. Okay. I was getting nervous because you've been soft-selling Dennis Christopher thus far.

Hart Bachner in the bike race just a fucking choke job it bothers me every time so that's I have that for picking this it just bugs me so much yeah like why do you leave the inside open on the last fucking lap I think he was counting on Gabe not getting back in I think he was like I can coast now takes the widest turn around yeah dude

This is it, man. You hug that track for one more. Yeah, he's a pretty boy. Leaves it wide open. He's not a winner. He doesn't have the grit. Total choke job. That's why when they're on the ceremony at the end, he's kind of happy for them because deep down he's like, I fucked this up. You know what else he fucked up? Negotiating with Hans. You know? Hans. Bobby. He thought he had the inside track on Hans and he didn't. Did you have a weak link? I don't really... What's...

what's Paul Dooley's character's strategy as a car salesman? Like, his business of just selling lemons over and over again in Bloomington, Indiana, like, that's going to come back to bite him, right? True. Isn't the Better Business Bureau going to get on that? I don't know if the Better Business Bureau was as mighty as it was

You know, like, I don't think there was like a lemon law. I think you kind of went into those years because I bought a piece of shit. Ninety one for tempo that died on the way out of the lot. And they were just like, that'll be three grand to fix it, you know, like immediately. So it's like you would get fucked back then on cars. Yeah, I do feel like that was just the late 70s and 80s. It was like if you bought a used car, you kind of got what you were asking for. Jeez, it's tough. It's really tough.

We live in a better country now, is that what you're saying? We figured this out? Yeah, we have stuff like CarMax and places that actually have guarantees. Yeah, you get to see the actual history of the vehicle before you buy it. Yeah, back then it was like, no, it runs great. Also, that was a classic, that kid goes in there with a pocket full of money and he's just like, I'm going to get this kid in a sports car that's going to crop out on him.

Fucking sob that I got that time. That's what I think. You'll never get over it. Never get over it. Oops, sobs. Thank God they went under. What stage is the worst? Swimming with jeans on? I've just never understood it. It's disgusting. It's really almost reprehensible behavior. I agree. Mike just keeps jumping in with his jeans on. It's like you're a sociopath. CR looks like he's swam with jeans on. I've never swum with jeans on, no. Okay, good.

Uh, what stage? No, I would never. It's gross, but I just feel like you love to swim. I do, but I bring a suit. I bring trunks. Yeah. Gucci. She's going in your underwear. Like, what do you take your fucking jeans on? You're going to put them back on. This is a, what stage? The worst. Um, just from a timing standpoint. So Jackie Earl Haley being in this movie, uh,

The casting of that was a big deal in 1979. Now nobody would care because he was Kelly Leak. He'd been in Bad News Bears 1. He'd been in Breaking Training. It's like, holy shit, Kelly Leak's in this movie? And it was impactful. We didn't know who the other guys were. He is the biggest star in the movie, right? By far. I wonder if that's why he gets those things to do that Chris was talking about, even though Mooch is maybe the least developed character in the movie. That's probably why. Robin Douglas' Scooter.

That's aged the worst. Yeah, it looks like Elon Musk made it as like a LARP in 2022. It was the Cybertruck of that era. It's just like a Cybertruck scooter. It's so big. I just never saw a scooter like that in my life. What did you have for what's aged the worst? Do you guys think that massive recreational cycling is still big on college campuses? This was mine. Just cycling. Because Lime Scooters kind of took those out of business, right? Yeah. Do you think a lot of guys...

Do you think anyone's on a bike? On campus in Bloomington right now are cycling around. Not with aspirations to compete. In the little five. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys like cyclists? In Los Angeles, I do not. Yeah, I've done rants on this before. No, I don't. People get mad, but I don't. I used to be ambivalent, and now I detest them. Yeah. The cycling community will come after you. They have come after me. That's fine. But I really don't...

appreciate their work. I understand that we should share the road. I don't think Los Angeles was made to share roads. I agree. I think this is the primary issue. Yeah. Like in London, you're just like, yep, everybody's cycling around. Like when you're in other cities, you're like, I get it. In New York, the race is lost. Like you just are basically about to get mowed down by an e-bike at all times.

Here, it's just like, I don't know what to tell you, man. There's like three SUVs bearing down. There's a narrowness to the roadways in Los Angeles that makes it impossible to navigate. Yeah. It's like, sorry. Sorry that I'm just trying to drive straight

On a road as you're taking your two-hour bike ride. Yeah. And holding up traffic behind you. Well, the other thing, too, is like at the rise of EVs, I'm like, what's the case here? Like, sure, it's great for the environment. But now? Keeps you in shape. Yeah. Sure, as a recreational activity, but not like on Sunset Boulevard at 9 a.m. in gridlock traffic. I find that very confusing. I don't like the outfits either. The thing is, they get really, the cyclists get really upset. Yeah.

They're going to get so mad. We should break this out. And she's like, fuck them. Also, would you let Ben or Zoe go bike riding around Los Angeles? No, right? Good question. Well, he uses, Ben uses the little, the bird thing. The long scooters. He goes all over the place. If he's like, hey, I bought a cycling outfit. I'm a psycho. I'd be like, get out. You don't live here anymore. What would you do if Ben came home and just started speaking Italian?

There's definitely some late 70s stuff with this movie that in 2023 we'd probably want to be like, should we take this guy to talk to somebody? He's been talking in Italian 80% of the time. Is something going wrong here? You don't like a weird guy. No, but it's just at some point I think the parents, there's no sense in being eccentric and seeming like you're a lunatic. I think, here's how I read that in the movie.

It's that period in your life where you don't know who you're going to be and what you're going to do. And for people who go to college, they get to reinvent themselves when they go to college. But if you stay home, he's about to have that reinvention. So his idea of reinvention is, I'm Italian now. So I like it as a character choice, but you can see that Paul Dooley's character is like, what the fuck happened to my son? But I will say that there's a quick moment, and I'd never caught this before, in the opening scene with Barbara Barry and Paul Dooley. They're talking about Dave,

And she's like, basically like ever since he's started cycling, he's gotten over like a bunch of his health problems, which I'd never caught before. But like Dave must've been like a sickly kid and then like start cycling and be, you know,

That's the positives of cycling. It's always good to get exercise. The negatives are you have to wear a fucking outfit like you're going to be extra in a movie or something. And then you just yell at people who are just trying to drive straight on a road. That seems to be what cycling is. Did Lance Armstrong kill cycling? Yeah, true. And your best ever was Lance Armstrong. Morewood staged the worst.

Serenading someone outside their college dorm room is probably now you get arrested. Also pretending to be Italian. Just being like, I'm going to go on multiple dates with a girl and just be like, oh, I got the ring. This is one of those. She would have in 2024 be like one of those Apple News essays. I was deceived by an Italian cyclist. Who's from Indiana. That's funny.

Does it bother you that Mike never actually smokes a cigarette? I mean, I understand the explanation, but he looks so cool. It's just like, I wish that he would either not have the cigarettes or smoke them. He looks at the Marlboro man. They're driving by, but he's not, hasn't made the, what's aged the worst. They made a TV series based on the film. It aired in 1980 and a little bit in 1981. It starts Sean Cassidy.

He was coming off the Hardy Boys and was a big teen idol. David Cassidy's brother. Barbara Barry decided to be in the movie again. I mean, in the TV show. And so did Jackie Roehl-Haley and John Ashton. This has got to be the only time someone is Academy Award nominated and then immediately was like, I'll do the TV version of this story. That's a pretty weird choice. Obviously, not a lot of great parts for Barbara Barry at this time in Hollywood, but still. Back then, so many people watched TV.

Maybe not as weird of a choice. I think it would be a weirder choice now. I couldn't think of another example of someone porting over so quickly. Usually when something like that happens in your career, you're like, all right, put me in a bigger movie. The entire pilot is on YouTube. It's weird. Is it any good? No. Okay. I saw John Ashton came back for a couple of episodes as well. He did. The other weird thing, this is at what stage it works just because this seems crazy. NBC paid $5 million to screen the film on television.

On May 5th, 1980. So it was like five months after the movie came out. And it was way ahead of its time. Yeah, they outbid HBO, right? Outbid HBO. Yeah. But now you think like five months between release and showing on TV would be like forever. Yeah. So it's just a what's aged the worst. I'm like, now that, what is that time span now? Three weeks? Yeah. The thing that's interesting about that, though, is that the Oscars that year were in April.

And so it was two weeks after the Oscars and 50 million people watched the Oscars that year. So I think the thinking was most people didn't see this movie. Yeah. And it's nominated in all the big categories. Do you think it would be like a good idea for like NBC to just be like, hey, it's Saturday night. We're showing the fall guy. Yeah. I mean, they did do that in the 90s. That's what we grew up with. You can see some of the ads are on YouTube where it's like, tonight for the first time ever, Rocky II. Yeah.

CBS. What was it? Was it Andor that they were showing on ABC? Andor was on ABC. I think, I feel like they did this with Raiders maybe or something, like CBS maybe showed it. I can't remember. But if you're a movie, you'd rather premiere on Netflix or Amazon or I just mean at this point, yeah, you'd reach more people. Yeah. One more with Tasia Wurst. Dennis Christopher. And we were waiting for this. Lied about his age.

Said he was born in 1955, but he was actually born in 1950. He was 28 when he made the movie. It was back in the era before IMDb when you could just shave five years off your... The rare male lie. You hear this about a lot of female stars. I think it works for the character. The guy reinventing himself constantly. Are you prepared to announce that you also were born in 1950? So...

His next movie, because it felt like he was becoming a star, and then his next movie was Fade to Black. I really like Fade to Black. So I saw it in the theater with my dad when I was 10, and we both hated it, and I've never liked Dennis Christopher after that. Did you see it because of Breaking Away? It's such a cool movie. We saw it because of Breaking Away under the rule of...

Oh, I love that guy. What's the next movie? And you just get that one mulligan with the audience. I mean, it's a very strange movie, but it's totally a movie that predicts like crazy movie people. It's such a clever idea for a movie. I wrote this down from Wikipedia. CR, this is fade to black. Have you seen this? A shy, lonely film buff embarks on a killing spree against those who browbeat and betray him, all the while stalking his idol, a Marilyn Monroe lookalike.

It sounds good. Kind of a little like on Fantasy's Corner. I mean, it is. Fantasy is a serial killer. It is, but it's really well done. Like the makeup is really good. Like he gets dressed up as famous movie characters and kills people and it's a very eccentric movie. I haven't seen it since we saw it in the theater. The weird part is the lead actress in it

I forget her name, but she is Chris Pine's mom and was pregnant with Chris Pine as they were filming Faith to Black. That's right. That's right. Total weird movie thing. What a piece of trivia. Her name is... Is it Linda Carriage? It's not. It doesn't end with Pine. Oh, I have one more. What's age the worst? Yeah. These guys just wouldn't have this much idle time. You know, so much of this movie is them being like, you want to walk around town three times, watch football practice.

Then maybe go to get pizza and look at cars. And it's like these dudes would just all be playing video games all day. Yeah, it feels like... Man, I miss this about life. It feels like there would be more pot with these guys, right? In the late 70s? Although I think that they're all athletes, so maybe they're not. Maybe they're not getting two stones. Cyril seems like he would fucking pack a bowl, but like...

I had no idea how good I had it when I just had nothing to do. Yeah. That was fucking awesome. You were just like, I'm looking at this baseball card for two hours. Yeah, I was just like, I'm going to go for a walk down to the mall. I'm 19. There's nothing going on right now. I have no responsibilities whatsoever. Just all the 19-year-olds out there listening, savor that shit. Don't play video games. Go outside. Look around. Yeah, get hit by a cyclist. Yeah, put some tight...

What are those cycling shorts? What are they called? Racing shorts. You put some bike shorts on the helmet. I'm definitely going to wear bike shorts. The next rewatch. Remember in signals singles when she dates the bike guy and she buys the whole cycling. Yeah. Well, it's a, we'll take one more break. Kickstart the school year with Apple gift card. You can send it via email or send a physical card to your loved ones.

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What do you have for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick-Parcher's overacting word? They knew, and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady! I come in here, I give these things to you. Give me all you got! Give me all you got! I treated you like a son! You fucking stabbed me in the heart! Fuck you! Fuck you! I think Dooley goes for it a couple of times, right? Refund! Yeah, a lot of deadpan kind of spit-take stuff. He's hamming it up, yeah.

Was there a better title for this movie? It was originally called Bambino. This movie was called Cutters. Is it better or worse? I just think that breaking away indicates sports and triumph somehow in a way that the Cutters were. And breaking away from your family? Yeah. I agree. It's a good title. I like it.

And it has a different connotation now too. So what do you have for the CR? Thanks. Luke Wilson could be Harrison Ford. How does take a word? It's probably like a little bit more sincere, but it's just like, I think this is actually a movie about parents getting to know their child before he leaves.

than it is about sports. Like I just like when you watch this and you watch like the complete circle of these people be like, what like this kid's 19? Like, what did we do? Who is this person? And all the way around to like finally seeing him and seeing what he can do. And between the passport scene and the walking at night scene and then the end with with the father showing up for the race, I think it's like and the father's on the bike. So it's like, you know, parents finally getting to know their kids.

Mine was Peter Yates understands America better than most American directors. Most of his movies are set in America and they're like incredible portraits of these cities. Like Eddie Coyle is an amazing New England movie. This is an amazing story about Indiana. It feels, especially the last 40 minutes, basically just feels like a documentary. Yeah. Like all the extras and the setting and the world that you're observing. Like it's just an incredible movie. I'm going old school with a hot, hot mistake. Okay. Dennis Quaid and Costner, if you just flip them

I think it's, I think Costner gets stuck with the Dennis Quaid roles and Quaid takes off. I think Dennis Quaid is Costner five years too early. Right down to like, he could be the lead in Yellowstone right now. So if you literally put Quaid in American Flyer and Costner in Breaking Away, do you think that the- Well, the ages are different because I think Quaid's older. But I think if you just flipped it, I think Quaid could have been in No Way Out. I think he could have been American Flyers. I think he could have been in Bull Durham. I think he could have done almost any Costner part.

So Dennis Quaid and Kevin Costner just flip movies. Are separated by nine months in age. But Costner got a much later start. Yeah, Costner's start is, what, six years out? Because Big Cho was 83 and he got cut out of it. So he's really in Silverado. And then the two meet in Wyatt Earp. That's right. So you then switch the Wyatt Earp roles. I think it's an underrated market correction. I like that. So Kevin Costner plays Doc Holliday. But that's a crazy story about what happened to Dennis Quaid on that movie. You know that story? That he lost all that weight to play Holliday. Yeah.

And he was effectively diagnosed with anorexia. And he got so sick. And that like totally changed his life. Like, I kind of flipped his arc of stardom in a lot of ways too. Quaid is a really weird guy and has had a really interesting career and sometimes is amazing. Like he's amazing in Big Easy. He's amazing in Great Balls of Fire. He's great in Flesh and Bone, right? Yeah. But he probably like went up. He was probably like in the conversation for if Costner passes, we'll go with Quaid.

20, 30 times in Hollywood history. And Costner could have been in Big Easy. Oh, yeah, for sure. Costner easily could have been this guy. And Quaid could have been in No Way Out. Quaid could have been in JFK. He could have been in a lot of those movies. You like the Big Easy? I do. Yeah, I do too. And then one more Quaid thing. He's not the greatest sports movie actor of all time.

But I think he's a first ballot sports movie Hall of Famer. Everybody's all American. Breaking Away, Tough Enough, which is a movie you can't even find anymore. Never seen it. I love Tough Enough. It's a tough man contest. He's got to fight. You got to get to advance to the finals. And he's just getting the shit kicked out of him for a week trying to win like $100,000. It's good.

everybody's all American any given Sunday in the rookie. Those are his best five, but he's also in the long game. He's an American underdog. He's Dick Vermeule. He's in soul surfer. Yep. It's been an eight sports movie. He's so believable in both any given Sunday and the rookie. Yeah. Like the rookie is kind of his. Yeah. I like Quaid. I'm pro Quaid. Sadly, he's not even the craziest guy in his family because he's Randy Quaid's brother.

What did we think cap in any given Sunday's like comp was in real life? Wasn't it like Who is the Chargers QB in the 70s Dan Fouts Fouts isn't it like kind of a Fouts like is he a manager? Is he like Matt Ryan? Like what like how good I think he was like an awesome QB who just got took a lot of hits Late 70s late 90s type of guy. Yeah, the best that guy word is

I mean, it's tough because this movie came out so long ago, but Robin Douglas to me is kind of a that guy where you'd see her in whatever she popped up like, oh, Breaking Away, but...

I don't know if a lot of people know it's Robin Douglas. It never really happened for her. Never happened. It's also a movie where the that guys are actually, they get real roles. You know, like Paul Dooley is a that guy, but he's like the... Barbara Barry too. I guess Barbara Barry's the that guy because she'd be like the mom for Breaking Away, but she's also Barbara Barry. She's a huge stage star at this point. I think Paul Dooley and Barbara Barry are kind of like elite that guy and gals. Yeah. Graduated that guy. I couldn't find any casting what ifs.

I do have a director what if what is it so apparently like the the two scripts it was like Bambino and Eagle of Naptown were both Steve Tish's scripts that were kind of about Bloomington and uh

The Eagle of Naptown script, which is about like, I don't know how much of it is it about or whether the site, how much cycling was in it. But Bob Fosse was like, I want to. Oh, yeah, I read this. Yeah. And I almost didn't believe this one. I read it, too. And he seemed too crazy. Why would Bob Fosse want to direct Breaking Away? I don't know. I mean, didn't he do? Well, this is the year of all that jazz. So it's kind of an interesting sliding doors because it's kind of, you know, it's near the end of his career.

I think at that time he had just done Lenny and he's trying to figure out how to not just do musical stuff. And so he's trying to break the expectations. I think he does Star 80 like right after this. So he's like, how do I not just be the musical guy? I know. I sadly saw that one in the theater too. It's a tough watch. Dion Waiters, the truck driver. Oh, the guy going four, five. That's pretty good. Faulkner's in too much. I was going to say the Italians too. Oh, the Italians. Yeah, that's a winner. That's good.

I don't have a recasting couch director or city for this. I think it's really well cast. So we'll go to Tony Romo or Chris Collinsworth for the director's commentary. Oh, Mike, he's pretending to be Italian to get in your pants, but also living out a fantasy of escape from his blue collar Indiana trappings. You gotta love that.

I thought it was more like, uh... Ron left the inside open, Jim! He's taking the inside! Left the inside track open, Jim! Two laps to go! I think Romo doing the race would have been amazing. It would have been great, yeah. They're taping him on, Jim! Half-assed research. The little 500 bicycle race still held annually at India University. Shout out to Kate Hollowell, by the way, who was super excited that we were doing this. Did she tell you, like, is the... I was sending her a couple Wikipedia things. Yeah, she's...

She said the quarry, they've really made it impossible to go there. Everyone wants to go there and they've just, they're basically setting. But it's because it's so dangerous, right? Yeah. They're basically putting like bear traps and grenades to make you not want to even go near there. Yeah. When Dooley goes back to visit the stone cutting, is that like when you would go back to Kim's and you'd be like, this is where it all happened for me. This is where I was born.

I guess you could still go back to Newberry. I could. I did. You did recently? Two summers ago. Live pod from Newberry. You guys should do that. It's going to be amazing. Yeah, the Newberry Street one is diminished a little bit. There's just a lot of stuff in the basement. They have Blu-rays there? I think they do, actually, yeah. Nice. Tessich was an alternate rider in 62 for the Phi Kappa Psi team in the Little 500 and had a teammate that rode 139 of the 200 laps and crossed the line as the winner.

which became the model for the main character. Yeah. There you go. Use car lots gone in real life. Paglia's pizza is now Opie Taylor's, which I guess is like a, a place in Indiana. Um, and then, uh, the slap when she hits them, apparently six takes and just pounding poor Dennis Christopher. Yeah.

And then they wanted 20,000 extras for the final race for the students and only 3,000 showed up. So they had to get frisky with the camera angles. It looks like it is a lot of people. It does seem like a lot. Apex Mountain.

Dennis Christopher, unquestionably. So you want to... Did you have a Dennis Christopher? Just that he didn't turn out to have the career you would expect after being the star of an Oscar-nominated movie and basically his first big role. And then went on to just be a character actor and has done good work over the years. A lot of TV. Go to the IMDb. It's a lot of... Pops up in Django. Yeah. I think part of it was he was probably...

being like almost 30 by the time this movie came out, you don't get like those last couple years of the young guy roles. Once the birth certificate got seen, you know? So last time I popped in Fade to Black just to like remember it a little bit and I watched an interview with him that was on the

on the blu-ray when you say pop you have the blu-ray of fade to black I do I do beautiful vinegar syndrome edition it's an awesome psycho he's making fun of the cyclist who's got a fade to black blu-ray good movie uh but he was talking in that interview where he was just like yeah and then I like this part of the character didn't make sense so like I rewrote this and like he had a real like oh you know like I'm running the show kind of vibe I like to get my teeth into the script yeah yeah so I was like maybe he got a little too big for his britches or something

Dennis Quaid no Robin Douglas probably Lonely Guy she's really good when he comes home and she's in bed with the other guy and he's like talking to her and she's cheating on him while he's talking to her you know that's a great scene in that movie Jackie O'Haley no way Kelly Leak

Kelly Leake batting every inning in the Astrodome is probably his apex mountain. I think Little Children is number two. Yeah. Oh, man. He's so creepy in that. And then Watchmen. Cycling movies, yes. Yeah. I think it's better than American Flyer, even though I really like American Flyer. What's the...

Isn't that what's the I guess it's not cycling. It's just what's the Kevin Bacon movie Quicksilver Quicksilver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We tried to plan out a cycling month and we just couldn't get there. Well there's Premium Rush, Quicksilver and the American Flyer and Breaking Away. But I wonder whether that would be rock bottom. What about the Ben Foster as Lance Armstrong movie? Oh God. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. They even released that? Yeah. Oh yeah. I saw it. Used cars? No.

Daniel Stern? No. City Slickers? Home Alone. Home Alone? Yeah. It was like the same year, right? Yeah. We did this. He was killing it. And was the VO for Wonder Years? Was Wonder Years still on TV when Home Alone hit too? Daniel Stern, once upon a time, like one of the 20 most known faces in America. Yeah. Probably, I mean, for our whole generation, he probably is. Pissy Italians, definitely.

His bike was a 1978 Massey Grand Criterium. So I'm going to say Apex Mountain for that. Okay. Peter Yates, no. Is it Bullet? Right? It's got to be Bullet, right? Oscar nominated here. And then I think Oscar nominated again for the dresser. But Bullet is a bigger hit, right? Bullet sets up like... I don't know. Yeah, he did get nominated. Did have a best picture. Maybe it is. A movie full of unknowns. Yeah. Hart Bochner? No, it's Die Hard. Die Hard.

Or PCU, which he directed. Wow. Wow. Wow. Love PCU. Indiana movies? No. Eh? What's the other one? Hoosiers, right? It's Hoosiers versus this. I don't know. I'd probably say Hoosiers. Is there any really good serial killers from Indiana? Henry Lee Lucas? Who's the Norman Mailer guy?

The guy that normally executioners song. Is that Indiana or is that Oklahoma? Best. Nebraska. Yeah. Nebraska. Yeah. That sounds right. Best Indiana serial killer. Oh my gosh. Cause you know, BT, you know, they got BTK in Kansas. I went to Indiana one time. Did you? I went to the Superbowl 46 where, uh, the Giants defeated the New England Patriots. It was an excellent Superbowl. You went to that? I did. Were you at that game? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think Indianapolis is a good host city? I went to the Hoosiers gym that day. That's right. I wrote about it that because I thought after going to the Hoosiers gym, I thought the Pats were going to win and then somehow. Why did you think that? Because I thought it was going to be the greatest day of my life. I also got out of a speeding ticket that day. It was the only time I've ever been let go. Huh. So I was like, naturally, they're going to win now. So...

I had a phone interview with you for Grantland this week when you were in Indianapolis. Do you remember this? Oh, really? No. But it was before the game. It was before the game. Because if it was after the game, you wouldn't be here right now. Yeah. I don't think I told you that I was going to the game because I was going to the game for work. I went for GQ. But yeah, that was the only time I went. And it was cold and not that nice.

BTK killer. Where is he? Kansas. Yeah. That was my favorite thing anyone's ever done on any podcast I've ever done is Bill Hader imitating Lorne Michaels talking about being friends with the BTK killer in the Lorne Michaels voice.

I went to the BTK. He did the whole thing. It was so fucking good. It's funny you bring up Hater because I was thinking what Dennis Christopher's character is doing in Italian. He just sounds like Vinnie Vadeci. Yeah, right. He had a whole bit about, I was at a restaurant with Steve Martin and BTK. Oh, and Last Apex Mountain. Impossible to get Blu-rays.

Yeah. Sean said this Blu-ray is like $400 on eBay. RIP Twilight Time, one of the great distributors, they made a version of this movie that is like $300 on eBay right now. So what happens with that? It's like, this isn't, where are the rights to this? I don't know, it's just out of print. I mean, it's, the studio is 20th Century Fox, so I think it's a little hard to get Disney excited about re-releasing this movie on physical. What's the hardest Blu-ray to get right now? What's like the granddaddy of them all?

Is it the machine's 8mm tape? One that exists, but on eBay it's like $2,500. I honestly don't know the answer to that. I'm sure there is a good answer. But there are a few movies that people really want physical versions of that we can't get. Like the Heartbreak Kid, the Elaine May movie. That's like a movie that doesn't exist on physical because the company that owns it is like a medical supply company.

You've made a letterboxd list about this, haven't you? I don't, but it's a good idea. You should dress like a cyclist and make a letterboxd list. You know what we wanted for the long-distance streams? We wanted The Abyss, and then The Abyss was released just this year. Really? Yeah. That's a movie I would never want to watch again. Okay. Is that a bad take? I think there are movies I'd want to watch less than The Abyss. It's flawed. It's definitely flawed.

It's like an I saw it once and I think I'm good movie. I think it's one of those things where because you couldn't watch it, it made you want to watch it more. Didn't they take it away from him so that's not his cut that came out in the theaters? Yes. Or there was stuff that they did to it? Yeah. Okay. Cruise or Hanks? This is a good one. I'll give you Hanks on this one. Yeah. Especially like Bosom Buddies era Hanks. But like, again, Cruise as Mike? Well, yeah.

Cruz is Jackie Earl Haley. Oh, wow. He wouldn't have played that one. Not shots. I mean, it's just like he's the whole relationship is like, you know, every time somebody calls him short, he flips out. Also, I feel like Hanks could have been a good Cyril. Yeah. And Hanks today could do... Hanks could have played the lead, though, and done the Italian. He could today do the dad. Totally. Oh, yeah. That's good. But Cruz could not do the dad. Big win for Hanks. I can't imagine that. I think Cruz could have done the Dennis Quaid part, but it would have probably been felt a little off.

Racehorse Rock Band wrestler fantasy team named The Cutters is pretty strong. The Cutters is probably a rock band. The Cutters. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, saw The Cutters. Oh, Ray, The Cutters are back. The Cutters' third album. I know two different friends of mine went to The Stones at Gillette Stadium last night. Raving? Did they rave about it? The Rolling Stones? They went to see The Rolling Stones and said it was great. Yeah, Greenwald said that they're...

they're nailing it. Well, he didn't see it, but he's like, the reviews of the Stones is like, they're going nuts. This is a whole... This is nuts. And this is not... And the Stones are soundtracking the Bear trailer. The Stones are back. The Beatles had their run. No, this is not. Chris is, you know, he's in the pocket of big Stones. Peter Jackson's reanimating their bodies and stuff. The Stones are still doing it. This is how LeBron... No thanks, Peter Jackson. We'll just play three hours of fucking Gillette.

This is how LeBron beats MJ. He just keeps playing. It's like LeBron's 58. He's getting bone marrow injected into his hips. All these phony longevity votes, you know, for like all defense in season 36. I don't buy it. Picking nits. So Robin Douglas' character, who's got to be one of the best looking women at Indiana University. She's dating Rod. A handsome guy, Rod. He's got a car. He's also stepping out of her. He's cool. Yeah.

she's going to get involved with this weirdo Italian cyclist guy. Yeah, my picking it is also like, is she really so dim that she can't pick up on this guy is not Italian? Yeah, she didn't have more questions. Yeah. So where do you live? His accent is pretty poor. Like, how come I didn't see you in class today? You know, he's never got homework. Maybe she's not that smart. Or maybe she's just suspending disbelief because she likes the ride. Picking it's Mike hitting his head on the rock never really sat well with me.

Like you don't think he would do something like that? I don't know. He's a good athlete. I thought you were going to say he would be like concussed. Well, that too. Yeah. So he'd hit his head and be out. Yeah. The whole thing didn't really work.

I have two more, but do you have any good ones? There's just no fucking way that Rod is clapping for the cutters at the end of that race. He is definitely filing a grievance, you know, about like taping his pedal or anything. Like he is, he is not doing that. Uh, where he's just like, yeah, respect to you guys. They've been fighting the entire, where would you rank that against Billy Zabka graphic, grabbing the all Valley karate trophy and handing it to Daniel. It's up there. Yeah.

You're right, LaRusso. That's the worst of all of those. The only other thing that was a nitpick was I don't think I've noticed this the other times I've seen this movie, but how quickly they go from the bowling alley brawl to like the president of the university is like, you guys all need to do a bike race. Right. Yeah, that's a pretty weird scene. It's like it makes the race more fun, but it's a little odd and using the real Dean from the school.

So why would the Italian cycling team come to fucking Indianapolis to do a hundred race? Like, I don't know. What's the point of that? I was wondering about this myself and I was like, are these guys on a tour across America? That, but that's a really good question. Yeah.

I don't know if this would have been their first stop for the Sinzano tribe. Well, I imagine that they're going across the country in some capacity or something. It would not surprise me, though, if this actually happened. The movie is so specific. Yeah. And Tesich has so many details that it would be a weird thing to invent. And if it's a cycling crazy town because they have the little five, maybe the Italians show up.

Can you imagine though, if it's just like every time you're trying to drive out of Bloomington, it's like, oh, it's another cycling race. Yeah. Oh man. I have a, I have a, like an external picking net. Yeah. Which is that, uh, Dennis Christopher was nominated for best juvenile actor at the young artist awards. He's 29 years old. Yeah. That's a good one. My only other one is I don't just don't think Robin Douglas is ever talking to Mike again. Not my God, Dave. Cause she runs into him near the end. She's like, Hey,

I'm going to Italy with my family. It's like, you're definitely not talking to this guy again. You've already told campus police, like, if this guy's near my room, please take him down. You never know if it's going to float somebody's boat. Maybe she's like, this guy was really into me. So much so that he created a different persona. Might have been a turn on. I think she could have found other people at Indiana University. It was either him or Rod. To get into her. Yeah. Rod. Villain's name Rod. Should we put that for Apex Mountain?

Yeah. Villain. There's just a villain name that's really up there. Honestly, up there with Hans. Like if Sean had a boy instead of a girl and we're like, what's the name going to be? It's like Rod fantasy. We'd be like, what? Is it Roderick? Is that what that is? Is that what that's short for? How many kids out there are just named Rod? I just don't know. It'd be like naming your son Shaft.

We were watching the Brady Bunch last week when they go to Kings Island and Greg is hitting on this girl behind the counter named Marge. Where do you find the time? Are you just on Tubi? It's on Amazon. Okay. Who are you watching Brady Bunch with? I have kids. Yeah.

Imagine if I was like, Alice, we're going to watch The Brady Bunch. How would that go over? Let me tell you something. The Brady Bunch is amazing. You can't even believe how good The Brady Bunch is. I watched it all the time as a kid. I haven't seen it in 25 years. It's like the structure of it and how it goes. And I like the last season when he's got that. He's really flabbering as the afro. Yeah, you've got Oliver on the brain recently. I know you heard me bring him up on a pod recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's on Amazon. What can I tell you?

sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable I think it's an untouchable I'm willing to have the all black cast discussion for this and I don't know if cycling would be the sport it's a Gary Indiana oh yeah team from Gary yeah comes to Bloomington to race I think I would be good and you just it's interesting one who would you who would you cast like for now you know it's like it's Richard Pryor

Oh, back then? Yeah, in 1979. What's the 1979? I think Richard Pryor might not have been in the best shape for cycling. It's a good point. It's a good point. Who's a... I mean, it's right at the beginning of the Denzel rise. I mean, he's doing theater at that time. 79 Eddie Murphy? Carbon copy? Eddie's too young. Too young? No, he's a college kid. Eddie's like 17 at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Morgan Freeman? I don't know. They're just... I mean, they didn't... Spike Lee always talks about this...

They didn't make movies for like six years that had black people in it, basically. This is a whole Tarantino thing when he was talking about how important She's Gotta Have It was. I just saw this on the internet. I thought it was really interesting. The aftermath of the blaxploitation era. There's like a dearth of black films between 1980 and 1985. And on TV, too. It's like one of the craziest stretches in the history of pop culture. Well, it's like Robert Townsend, The Weyands. Like, it's a very short list. That comes late 80s, though. Yeah, yeah. There was like this two-year stretch where it was like Isaac the Bartender,

Gary Coleman, The Jeffersons. This is pretty rough. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Eva Laffey or Ramon Raymond, The Hanson Brothers or Philip Baker Hall?

This is going to be the hardest degree of difficulty of these that I've ever done. So give me some leeway here. Clear out. Was that you're going to work for a long fucking time? It was, yeah. It was basically, you better go work back at the quarry.

I basically translated. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Italian Wayne Jenkins. That might, that might have to be the last one. I don't know. Where do we go after Italian Wayne Jenkins? I deeply apologize to anyone who speaks Italian for what I just did. I didn't see that coming at all. I thought for sure you're going to go handsome brothers. Handsome brothers. Just as another cycling team. Just hanging out at the bowling alley. One of the other cycling teams. They're just like trying to start fights with everybody. When it, when, uh, when,

When Dave sings and you just have one of the Hansons going, listen to the fucking song! Just want to ask her who gets it. We have an answer. The screenplay. Oh, yeah. Probably an answer for questions. I have one for you. Let's hear it. How long do you think you could handle Ben doing Dave's Italian bit? Like, how long before you're like, we got to call a professional? I know we referenced this earlier, but like... It's like five days. Yeah.

As the father or as a friend? Ben's having a meltdown. What are we doing? Talking in Italian, constantly. So as a dad, you're saying? Yeah, I'd be like, what's going on? But if you were Mike, would you be like, my friend is going through it, he's having a moment? I'd play it out because it was working with the hottest girl at Indiana University, so I'm like, alright. Good point. Let's play this out. Dave's onto something here. Did Mike eventually become a 28-year-old college QB like Scott Bakula in Necessary Roughness? Incredible.

That's my unanswerable question. Is the sequel of this Mike joins Indiana University because two quarterbacks went down? He's still got eligibility, you know? And Mike just leaves the quarry and now he's playing in games. I love it. That's actually my unanswerable question was, was Mike any good at QB? Oh, you can tell. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. Because he's kind of shying away from the big stage a couple of times. He's going to be caprooed. His confidence is shot. Yeah. Rod took his confidence.

I don't have any other Inansibles. I have one. What is the upside of winning the little 500? You get a cool trophy. Like, is it just a trophy? It seems like a lot of work. Feels like money should have been in there. Do you think Dave got a break on tuition? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Because Paul Dooley was running the Lemon House, of course. Didn't have all that dough. A little in-state tuition. I don't know whether it's a nitpick or an Inansible, but I've been to Indiana. It's fucking hot. Kate Howell will back me up on this. Like, the weather is hot.

There's hot stretches where it's like, when I say hot, it's like nobody can practice sports from 11 to one o'clock because it's actually a health danger. It's like super crazy, humid, crazy. Like if you have allergies, my daughter trained there for soccer a couple of times and it just like destroyed her.

But this is in the summer, so they're filming this in like fall, spring, but it didn't tap into... The race must be like May though, right? Yeah, because it's got to be at the end of the college semester, right? I just think there's a chance it was like 100 degrees with like 100% humidity. Yeah, that probably also like for the swimming in jeans, that thing probably, they get pretty cooked pretty fast. Indiana's hot. That's my Indiana take. What's your double feature choice here? American Flyer. Great call. Fade to black.

Well, for the Christopher heads out there, that could be a good choice. Dennis Christopher heads, the worst red report on the planet. I was trying to think of the right Yates movie, and I'm not sure that he ever made a movie quite like this ever again. I didn't love his 80s. He re-teams with Tesich a couple times, right? Like, what are the other... Is he a suspect, that? He did Eleni? I never saw this. 1985 movie? I just think he had one more really great early 80s action movie in him.

He could have done like First Blood, something like that. Yeah. He's done a really cool version of it. We didn't talk about Year of the Comet. Yeah, Goldman's. Which is, you know, the movie that- Whole Goldman chapter. Yeah. That's right. I've still never seen it. I don't even know how you find it. It's just not very good. I own it on Blu-ray if you'd like to borrow it. That's Tim Daly? Yeah, Tim Daly. It's like the quest for the bottled wine. What's weird is I don't know if any wine movie has ever worked. Well, besides Sideways.

We talked about this on Sideways. Yeah, that was the first one. But like the Russell Crowe, Lily Scott ones. Yeah, you're right. Sideways. That kind of broke the curse. Yeah. And now, weirdly, you can't make another one because you can't live up to Sideways. Right. It's like Slapshot. Yeah. Right. The Indian Red Zuan Ne Award would happen the next day. Everyone's life sucked. I think Mike's going to become a cop with his brother. Oh, Mike becomes a cop. So do you think Mooch moves to Chicago with Nancy? Mooch has like four kids. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think Dave is fine. I think he's going to get a college education and have a career and be an engineer. How do you think Dave's 19-year-younger sibling is going to fare in the world? It's a little... I forgot about her being pregnant in the last scene. Yeah. I don't know. I have a sibling that's 20 years younger. She's doing great. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah.

You're down on super young siblings? Do you think Paul Dooley's character is going to get easier going as he gets older? That's a fair point. Well, actually, I think it softens you up as you get older. I think the older you are, the lighter you are with the touch as a parent. I did think about putting that in nitpicks that she just gets pregnant right away. How old was Barbara Barry at this time? I'm going to say she's early, mid-40s. She's in her 90s now. That would be unusual for that era. Yeah. That would be pretty fertile.

She was 47 when the film was made? Pretty fertile, sir. Yeah. Oh, my. Barbara Barry. Her ovaries are just rumbling. They're just rumbling. They're like Jerome Bettis in the 2006 Super Bowl. They're rumbling right now. Is that what happens to ovaries? They're rumbling. They're the bus? Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I think there's an obvious answer for this. It's not the bike shorts.

I think it's the bike. The bike, yeah. That's fucking cool to have the bike. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I wonder if that is in a museum somewhere. I had Neapolitan Sunset Cologne. Wouldn't mind slathering a little bit of that on for the next pre-watch. We'll see if you notice. It's like a threat. Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson. Everybody cheats. I just didn't know. Love that. This is going to be interesting. Who won the movie? Tesich? Academy Award? Screenplay.

From the definition of the movie, or the category, to win the movie. So leaving the movie, you're the winner of it, but it also leads to other stuff that helped you win. Then so you're setting this up for Quaid. I don't know if I ever really realized that you... I don't think it's Quaid. Okay. The state of Indiana? Ooh.

incredible portrait of the state. I don't, this is one I couldn't really come up with an answer. Oh, you know another one? Mellencamp coming up. Oh, wow. Mellencamp. Yeah, he was probably writing Jack and Diane in 1979. Good call. He was in his cougar era. Yeah. Yeah. Scarecrow, you know? Great record. I was, the one I settled on was Yates because I think he was probably one level below the great directors he was competing against, right? Mm-hmm.

Right, he's... He's not in the all-time class of filmmakers. He's not in that, like, top 25. But he's weirdly closer than you'd think in the top 100, given his resume. But if you're talking about all his 70s class, it's funny because I just read Tarantino talk about this, like, the different classes because that Lucas Spielberg class is coming. So he's in the previous class, right? They're all making cool stuff that bridges the 60s, 70s. He's like we were talking about. He's like Lumet, Frankenheimer, those guys. He's from that era. Yeah.

Would you put him up there with Lumet? Would you put Michael Ritchie over him? Ritchie is probably more his contemporary, but I think he made classier, tonier movies than Michael Ritchie. Kind of the George Roy Hill class. Who I think was also more successful. Yes, he was. Which is my point. I think he needed this one.

for the filmography. I think Bullet and Breaking Away are forever movies. Yeah, those are the first two you'd probably mention. Yeah, and he has a couple of cult ones. And then Eddie Coyle and Hot Rock and there's a bunch of movies. People are like, I fucking love that movie. So I'd go with The Eights. That would be my choice. It's a good pick. I think Indiana is a good one.

Yeah. Because this is like a love letter to Indiana and even at the end it's the first thing that pops up in the credits. I think you could make the argument for Barbara Barry. Yeah. Both in terms of her performance and then she goes on to have a pretty notable career for another 40 years. For a 50-year-old woman. Just a blood feud with Barbara Bossom. Who won? So confusing. Barbara Bossom was Hill Street Blues. She married Bochco. Oh, yeah. She won that. Yeah.

um did well yeah you think so yeah made some bank yeah yeah he's still cranking it he's like cr he's still cranking he's still working he's still cranking yeah isn't he like on every once in a while i'll be like steven botchko production still yeah right i legitimately would love to hear one episode of the watch that was just we talk about what botchko did honestly i bet greenwald could do that you guys should do it my whole life is about botchko so i'm in

I've even seen the Cop Rock pilot. Oh, me too. Yeah. BS appearance on the watch. That'd be great. The Bochco Hour. Boost the numbers. Murder One? That was an underrated one. I enjoyed that one. I never liked the bald guy. That's like the reason I watched that show. Who was that guy? I don't know. Daniel something? I never could get behind that guy. Yeah. That was a fun show. That was really lurid. It was like a lot of dark twists and turns. The first season of NYPD Blue is like an incredibly important TV season for you. Oh, Bochco.

How did we get here? Barbara Boston? Yeah. What a great podcast. Barbara Boston versus Barbara Berry. So you think Yates. I'm saying Barbara Berry. Who are you saying? The state of Indiana. Okay. So we split decision. Good split. What's coming up next on this pod? I think it's going to be a sports movie or a 70s sports movie. Okay. It's going to be in one of those two categories. So it will definitely be a sports movie.

It's a sports movie, but is it a sports movie just randomly or is it a 70s sports movie? Yeah, that's the decision. What spurred this? Was it the Celtics in the finals? No, it was just that we did Slapshot. Okay. And we got to get some bangers out because it's the last year of the podcast. Yeah.

It's banger time. I'm glad that one-on-one is going in the banger zone here. You vetoed one-on-one. On the one hand, I've been loving this era of the show. It's been exciting watching you pick bangers. On the other hand, you've opened yourself up now to a unique form of criticism, which is your definition of banger. And if you quote-unquote misstep banger,

On a banger? Then, if people are like, this actually isn't, Breaking Away isn't a banger, then how will you receive that? If people don't think Breaking Away is a banger, I don't know if they understand the podcast. Well, they just probably haven't seen the movie. Yeah, anyone who criticizes the Breaking Away choice. Just watch the movie. Yeah. Also, like, we don't want you. You can leave the podcast.

It's a good attitude. Breaking away is a big picture. The big picture is a big tent waiting for you. No. No. If you don't like breaking away, then you're not welcome in the big picture tent either. I actually, I made fun of Sean the other day. If you don't like breaking away, you're not allowed to listen to Higher Learning either. I'm just saying blanket ringer pods are off the network. Okay, good to know. But Sean's part of the problem with movies. No. That's the part he hasn't accepted. I told him this two days ago. Oh, really? This is not true. Was this after his monologue? No. I hadn't heard the monologue yet, but it was ironic because of what my take was.

Sean's about celebrating new movies and movies still matter. And yet the big picture, which is a podcast that covers movies, half the time is going backwards and doing like drafting 1977 movies. And it's like, if you really cared about new movies, you would celebrate the new movies. Right. Which is part of the problem. Five episodes. He's like the studios. Who's like, Oh, I'm going to check out my analytics. What did better this month? Oh, we got to do another draft. Yeah.

Did you guys actually have this conversation? Yeah, I was making fun of him and he was getting mad. But it just showed the lack of research that goes into this kind of taunting that Bill... Sean is a franchise guy. Because he's too shy. He's a franchise guy. Busy trying to figure out, you know, who are the best foursomes in movies.

Here's the thing. I won't attack you. You can attack me all you want. You're a franchise guy. I think you're doing amazing work on the rewatchables. I'm just so lucky to be a part of this experience. And I want to say thank you. I agreed with Sean's take. We're taping this at the end of May. I agreed with Sean's take about The Strike. I think that's the number one thing. The Strike just fucked things up. It's a big deal. Because we see it in TV too. Those two TV shows that came out this week.

One with Cumberbatch. Yeah. And then what's the other one called? Eric? That's the Cumberbatch one. What's the other one that came out? I thought there was two. Next week is Clipped and Presumed Innocent. Or two weeks, I think, for Presumed Innocent. So Clipped comes out next week. There's a show we needed.

Gee, I wonder what's going to happen. I wonder who did it. The movies or you're not interested in the experience? Which one? Like, if you're going to go see Furiosa, like, let's say you would. Did you ever even consider it? No, you know what I'm going to see? Because it's two hours and 40 minutes. I don't want to spend four hours going to and from a movie theater when I could be watching the Brady Bunch. Yeah. Bill, seriously, we got on a work call and he was like, you're part of the problem, but he will not go see Furiosa. He just will not go to the movie theater. Yeah.

I like... Like, we did Fast Times. And we told Craig. And he said it's 90 minutes. I can't believe it. Craig texts back, 90 minutes! Yeah. Exclamation point. That's part of the problem. I can't argue with that. What was breaking away? Like, an hour and 40? 140. Yeah. Tight. I... In general...

I think some movies, if they want to be three and a half hours, I'm fine with it if it's a big idea and a big story. But you're like down the middle genre movie being two hours and 20 minutes. I don't really understand. Iron Claw, two hours plus and didn't even have one of the brothers in it. It's

Good point. They're like, yeah, we don't have room. We can't tell that story. It's like, your movie's two and a half hours. It's tough. Would you have wanted it to be three hours with one more brother? No, one hour and a half version. It was like, get rid of some other brothers. Yeah. Maybe they all should have died in the first scene. That would have been a lot better. Yeah, just a montage.

Well, like when Taken comes on, it's like, what's that? Like 89 minutes? It's like, oh, they took his daughter. Oh, he's going to France. Uh-oh. So it just flies by. Maybe that's what we need.

What does Ironclaw have to do with Taken, honestly? No, but he's saying, like, he had the same resistance to Wick 4. We were like, what are we going to do with Wick 4? Well, that's a fair point. Wick 4 is too long. FYI, I still haven't seen Wick 4. Did you start it? And I love John Wick. I watched 40 minutes of it on an airplane. I'm like, I can't do it this way. Did you know it's 10 years since Wick 1, which we've never done? 10 years.

Now that's a banger. Should we do Wick 1 on Monday? Damn. Well, when we all knew each other in 14, I felt like that was one of the last fun movie years. 19 is an incredible movie year. Yeah, 19 is... I said one of the last. 19 to me is the... That's like the demarcation point. It was COVID. Yeah. But there were literally 50 movies in 19 where I was like, wow, that was really good. I want to get back to 1979, but I don't feel like it's ever happening. I also wonder if we're just running out of stories to tell.

And people are afraid because... I don't think it's that. I think it's the economics of it seem like really complicated. Like we said, it's like you can make something like this, even adjusted the budget, it would be like 20 million bucks to make Breaking Away. Yeah. And like Chalamet would have had to be the Dennis Christopher part. Why does Fall Guy cost $140 million? I don't understand. Yeah. That's not necessary. There's a... I have an old guy on the couch point too. Could part of it be...

People spend less time socially interacting, which makes it less likely for them to come up with cool movie ideas because they're just like, we're a more online society.

I think maybe people are getting a little bit overly swayed by, like, online discourse about movies before they just go check them out, you know? Oh, that's a separate piece. Because I was thinking about, like, Furiosa, and it's like, Furiosa's pretty good, and everybody who sees it is like, that was pretty good. That was pretty cool, man. And, like, if you just did pure word of mouth rather than, like, I've read 10 articles about how Furiosa signals the end of the movie industry. Yeah, I'm obviously guilty of that as well. But I...

I think there's this thing going on where like a lot of the masters of movies right now don't like telling contemporary stories because you have to put cell phones in them. And so like cell phones kind of ruin the ability, like a lot of the problems of some of the great movies of the first hundred years of film. If you had a cell phone, they would be solved. You know, just be like, just call Jim. And then we wouldn't have to worry about this ghost haunting us in this house. So that is an issue. But I will say there's a sequence with a cell phone in Hitman.

Where I was like, that's the coolest use of a cell phone I've seen in a movie maybe ever. And so there's like, there's stuff to do. So I was texting my buddy Gus about the King's Island episode about the Brady Bunch because it's just insane.

And Gus was saying how the episode couldn't exist now because Mr. Brady would lose the plans and then he would just text Jan, hey, can you grab the plans? Cell phones have solved 50% of the dilemmas we ever had in a movie. Right. Because even like a movie like Go, which I just watched, because I was scouting it for rewatchables, it's not quite there. Two thirds of it is great.

The last third is kind of bad. Yeah. I also scouted Empire Records. Couldn't get there. That's... No. Come on. You guys might have to take that one without me. I don't know what to say. I couldn't quite get there. I don't know what to say. Couldn't get there. Felt the same way I did in the mid-90s. I...

I say this with respect. I think you're wrong. I'm not saying I'm right. I just can't personally get there with that movie. Okay. I think because it's the movie I wanted it to be, I can't get there with. Wait, so you're saying go... Go... I gave it a whirl. I really wanted... And I liked it so much when I was... But a cell phone would have solved an issue in that movie? No, it's just I think you watch movies like that now and the lack of a cell phone and people being able to get a hold of each other is such a big part of something like that. I wonder how crazy movies like that are going to seem

in 20 years when we have fully moved on from generations that never had a cell phone. Yeah, but if we don't make movies that are contemporary at all, like if every movie is either set before cell phones or in a dystopian future where people don't really use them because they're getting screens on like billboards or like Blade Runner, like there will be this huge like gap of like films not documenting contemporary life. Pulp Fiction. Did you remember my watch? She's just texting that to her now and then she would remember the watch.

Yeah. Set an alarm. So basically we should ban cell phones to make movies more interesting. Sure. I mean, a lot of filmmakers have just not written contemporary movies because of this. Going backwards. Yeah, I think Paul Thomas Anderson talked about this. A couple of other directors. His new movie is going to be set in 2019, right? It will, yeah.

I like that Snack Shack movie, whatever that was called. Really good, right? That's a real BS movie. It was good. I watched that. It was set in 1991. I like it too. It's a fun movie. My son loved it. He's like, can you make a list of all the coming-of-age summer movies? I just want to watch all of them this summer. No, that's a good idea for a theme. He loves that theme every time. Yeah. I mean, Breaking Away is kind of that. Yeah. Well, so I was like, you should watch Adventureland. You'd really like that one. Good one. And he looks at it and he goes, I don't like some of the actors. I'm not going to watch that one.

I was like, you literally asked me for a suggestion. The first one I said was Adventureland. And then you shot the suggestion down without watching. Is he out on Eisenberg? This is what it's like to be a dad. Trust me, I can relate to that. Yeah. Eisenberg? What's the issue here? I think it was Ryan Reynolds. K-Stew sees her as Twilight. He just was like, no, I need another one. Will he watch like One Crazy Summer with Cusack? Oh, that's interesting. I didn't think about that one. It's a fun one. I'll let you know how it goes. Okay.

that's it for the rewatchables thanks to jack and gahal it's good to see you guys uh we'll see you next week on whatever theme month we came up with