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We saw the shadows, so you know what that means.

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The first in our special two-part series, Movies from the '90s about superheroes from the '40s that no one gave a shit about. To join me in tonight's dissection, Alec Baldwin superhero classic, The Shadow. I am joined, as always, by my co-host, Jason Manzoukas! - What's up, jerks? - What's up, Jason? Are you excited? - I just caught a flurbel on my Pokemon Go.

I did tell the audience, do not catch Pokemon Go during the show. Yeah, guys, put your phones away. Do not catch Pokemon Go. And by the way, I will tell you, there's a shit ton of Pokemon here in the theater. Did they just say, fuck you in the theater? That's our audience. They don't yell fire in the theater. They yell, fuck you in the theater. This audience is like, no, do not make us choose between our nerdy pursuits.

Because that could threaten us. Pokemon Go is a legitimate threat to nerdy podcasts. By the way, it's a threat to everybody. It's a weapon of mass destruction. I'm also joined by June Diane Rayfield. Hello, June! Welcome, June.

How are you? I'm good. How are you, Paul? Very good, thank you. I'm surprised that you're not wearing your normal fedora and red mask. The shadow, and you share a very similar fashion sense normally. Ouch.

Wow. Wow. We are 30 seconds into this. Guys, you're seeing a full-on slam fest out here. This is the roast episode of How Did This Get Made? Where you bring us out and then just trash us? Guys, I was just trying to make a funny little starter. June, you look great as always. Thanks, Paul. We have... What? I didn't say a fucking thing.

Oh, my God, they're gonna fight so hard next time. This is uncomfortable. We have a very special guest joining us tonight. You know him from "Saturday Night Live." Please welcome... All right! Thank you. Yeah. Yay. Well, here we are to talk about "The Shadow." -Oh, boy. -And for those who don't know it, very simply put, it's a movie about a hero played by Alec Baldwin. Very simply put? I want to hear what comes next.

I tried really hard to write... It is not simple. I tried to write the simplest explanation. It is a hero played by Alec Baldwin who is a shadow and he stops an atomic bomb attack in New York in the 40s. Light up your llamas. We have a lot to talk about. Is that your new catchphrase? Light up your llamas. Light up your llamas. We've got a lot to talk about. Well, because, you know... Llama cigarettes? Yeah, llama cigarettes. Oh, I'm aware.

To the most erotic billboard I've ever seen in my life. I am going to have wet dreams about that mouth. And the smoke rings coming out from it. There it is. I'd climb a mountain for a llama. How sexual is that? Look at that mouth! It is like a blow-up doll mouth. This movie is really interesting. Is it? In a...

And that's a real question. I think what I found interesting was in watching the movie tonight, I'm like, well, here's what superhero movies were, and this is why people never thought that superhero movies could be successful, because they were so good. This is like to make a movie in the 40s, but also, they take away arguably one of the most interesting things. You meet up with Alec Baldwin, and he is like the head of trade. What is that?

I rewound the movie assuming I'd missed something. Spoiler alert, I had not. We're introduced to him. Long fingernails. I hate those fingernails. You do? I was like, I bet June's gonna like these fingernails.

The issue with them is, like, okay, they're long. Like, I can get behind that. Sure. Opium and, like, they may need to be long. Sure. Maybe they're being used as spoons. Okay. But what I can understand... But we wouldn't need them on all fingers. Do you think long nails are part of the opium trade? Well, I know that sometimes, like, cocaine addicts will have, like, one really long nail to, like, sniff. Okay. A huge coke addict in the audience. Check it out.

If anybody needs drugs, talk to that person after the show. I thought he had these long fingernails because he just likes to play, like, guitar, you know? Oh, he's like a flamenco guitarist? Why are they painted? No, this was, like, this started weird, got weirder, and I did not care for it. I just want to play a second of just so you get the idea of... Not too much, Paul. I think they're kind of dope. Here we go. They're pretty cool. And I promise you...

- I'll bury them beside you. - What? - Kill them. - Those nails. - Hey, that's the villain from Die Hard who ate the candy bar. - Yes, I was so psyched because there were like two Asian actors working and they were in every movie. That's the guy from Lethal Weapon who tortured Mel Gibson and that's the guy from Escape from Big Trouble in Little China. - And that other guy also plays Kung Fu Panda's dad.

But he's a stork, I believe. And Kung Fu Panda doesn't realize that it's not his real father. Until the second movie. The stork delivered Kung Fu Panda. What's that? Did the stork deliver Kung Fu Panda? No, no, he didn't. He runs a noodle bar. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know that guy. Right, right. Of course. Wait, I'm sorry. Have you guys seen the Kung Fu Panda movies? Not a one. Okay, we're going to need to talk about that.

When I'm seeing for the first time now, does Alec Baldwin in this section of the movie have the prosthetic nose on? No. When he's the shadow? When he turns into Stephen Baldwin? Hey!

What if all the Baldwins could morph into other Baldwins? That's what it looked like. Well, it's so weird because they don't even, you wait until the very end of the movie, they're like, oh, he's not wearing like a weird mask. His face is just morphing. That's his transformation. Why? They never established that. Why does that happen?

And I mean this with all due respect. Why the fuck does his face change in this movie? Here's the really confounding thing. If he is a hero that can become a shadow, that means he can't be seen. Correct. So why does he need a disguise? Why not just become a shadow? Great. I would argue that this movie is full of those questions. Like, why would he need an elaborate system of pipes?

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And then he goes... And there's ten of them. Yeah, there's ten tubes. At which point, Alec Baldwin has to put on a dark suit, put a scarf over the lower part of his face, and morph the upper part of his face into something weird. Like he's wearing a wooden mask. But then he also goes to get the message from the pneumatic tubes, and the message is a little guy on a TV. He's like...

someone was killed later. Like, it wasn't, there was really no information that you couldn't get out of a newspaper or just, why do you even know why that needed to be a secret message? I think my best guess at this movie is that Alec Baldwin had been living a really bad life for a really long time. The actor Alec Baldwin? No. Oh,

I don't know the character's name. I think that's well documented. The shadow. And so he then somehow, someway becomes a shadow. And then... Wait, that's the part I really want to talk about. Okay, all right, all right. His guru, whoever that guy was who showed up, somehow...

changed his perception of his life. Would you argue that maybe some of these questions would be answered if they didn't eliminate the montage? The training montage? He basically is kidnapped, then there's a title card, and then he became the shadow. Anyway, we're in New York, and it's better. What I'm saying is he becomes this sort of dark knight where he is doing good things as a former bad person.

Is the villain in this movie a knife? That's what I wrote down. I wrote that. The knife is really the only constant. Because the other guy is just not a bad guy. No, he likes suits and good whiskey. No, bourbon. Oh, bourbon, sorry. No, I could not. I really had so much trouble.

Figuring out why Alec Baldwin became the shadow, why he was chosen, why they went to him to get him, to bring him to the temple, why we lost the whole thing, why Genghis Khan's relative showed up and was like, oh, you're actually this ancient guy from so long ago, but you now look like Alec Baldwin because our hero needs to be a white American man?

I guess. He used his powers for such stupid fucking things. He showed up to a dinner and the guy's like, you're always late. He was like, I was not late. And the guy's like, oh yeah, you were right on time. And it's like, what? The problem with the movie too is... He is the worst user of powers. I mean, there seems to be moments where he could get out of anything. At one point, when he's caught as a shadow, like not like in the shadows, literally as a shadow, he freezes...

And stays there long enough for them to throw something at him and he's like pinned, his shadow gets pinned to the wall. His shadow gets pinned. And he just, which is his cloak or whatever, but then he doesn't just walk away from it. No. He just, he's now like, uh-oh, busted. But meanwhile, the hubris of that cackling laugh and then he gets caught. I was like, you're terrible at this. His strength's,

Like, he could... In the beginning, when you first... The first fight scene where you see the shadow is... I mean, just to give you an idea, I mean, the tone of this movie is all over the fucking place. You could tell they were going for Batman in the beginning. Yes, it feels... In the very beginning, it was very Batman. It feels like Batman, and, like, Batman with, like, maybe, like, a third of the budget. And how much did that guy love shooting that machine gun? Oh. This...

That guy fucking loved it. By the way, I would love... The director was like, go. He was like, ah! I would love to have a job where I get to shoot a Tommy gun. That looks fucking sick. No, I mean, we haven't even gotten into Tim Curry's character, but man, when he goes nuts at the end with his Tommy gun... Fat Tim Curry? Tim Curry. These people, I feel like the only way I've ever pictured someone shooting a Tommy gun is like... You have to be mental to shoot it.

You can't just be like, brr-brr-brr. And then he shoots his own car. Yeah, he fucking, he's not in the car. You were already in that. Yeah.

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On January 24th, Academy Award winner Michelle Yeoh takes command. Gather your people.

We're gonna need every one of them. In Section 31, a new Star Trek original movie on Paramount+. Section 31 is just a place for people to bend the rules. Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder. What a cute idea. This is chaos. Let's get messy. Don't miss the worldwide premiere of Star Trek Section 31, streaming January 24th, exclusively on Paramount+.

ABC Wednesdays, Tim Allen and Kat Dennings star in the new family comedy, Shifting Gears. Dad, I'm broke and I need a place to stay until I figure out what the rest of my life looks like. So, a couple of days. When his daughter moves back in. The last time you walked out that door, you looked back at me and gave me a double bird. I was 18. The double bird was how I ended up.

our conversation. The wheels come off. Can we try to talk to each other like rational adults? Have you watched the news lately? That's not a thing anymore. New Wednesdays 8, 7 central on ABC and stream on Hulu. This is like the idea of how scary this character is. Just get an idea of the tone of it at the top. Show yourself, fella. You murdered a policeman. Duke. Who said that? Did you think you'd get away with it? It's a pretty short bridge. Did you think

You don't scare me! You scare me! You will go to the 8th Precinct house on 2nd Avenue and surrender yourself and you will do it now. He's in the middle of it.

So this badass of the shadow really never shows his face again. Like, I mean, he's never this intimidating or bad, or like he's punching people at all. Like, I don't... Yeah, he doesn't really use his powers. He doesn't do anything. And this is interesting. He seems to just... He recruits a lot of other shadows or shadow adjacents. I don't know what they are. Shadow pals? Shadow friends? Shadow friends?

I don't know who those people are. Yeah, Peter Boyles is homing. Peter Boyle, the cab driver. But they seem to also have done something wrong. Yeah, why is he always like, where to, boss? Peter Boyle, you would think, oh, that's it, because the cab seems specially outfitted to be like the special shadow cab. But then like later on in the movie, Peter Boyle's just like picking up regular fares. Yeah. Like he's like, hey, I'm going to put you on the payroll. You got to.

You gotta work for a living. If I call you, you gotta come running. We understand at this point in New York City, cabs are the only way that people travel. Whether the high class playboy that Alec Baldwin is when he's not the shadow, when he is the shadow, he's in a cab. Chinese warriors are constantly getting into cabs and being like, go, go, go. It's so weird. And by the way, Chinese warriors not out of their costume. No, no, no.

They are pulling. They're wearing armor in a cab. Like, hailing a cab. Like, out of a textbook. And then there was one great scene where Alec Baldwin's like, I think I'm being followed. And he, like, kind of does, like, a thing where he, like, looks in a mirror to see the guy in the gigantic military wardrobe. Like, there's the foot falling in. He's not blending in. Is it because of the metal clanging on metal that you hear 15 feet behind you?

But there was a thing in the cab. Do you remember this? Like, in the beginning of the cab, like, he's recruiting one of his shadow friends. And he's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And he gets the guy out. And then the next scene, he's, like, sweaty. He's like, ugh, ugh. Like, he's immediately upset. And then Peter Paz is like, you OK, Paz? Like, come on.

Cobalt Club. But it's like his personality is all... The transformation between weird shadow face and him almost took something out of him. Again, I would love to have seen what we missed in the montage where he understood some of his powers. By the way, it's only... Does it say seven months? Seven years. Oh, years? Seven years later? Okay, that makes more sense. Someone says yes. So what was he doing in New York City before he left for Tibet? His dad says, I didn't ask.

He's got that big, giant townhouse. So are we to assume that he's this richy-rich New York kid who goes off to Tibet and becomes a drug warlord? And by the way, how did they accept him into that? I don't think a white guy could get into the opium trade that easily. Not just get into it, but dominate. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy, I like him. I like the way he thinks. You know what?

I'm going to do a semester abroad in Europe. Then I'm going to come back. I'm going to graduate. I'm going to go to Tibet. I'm going to corner the opium market. I'm going to become a vicious warlord. I'm going to be recruited by a shadow organization to become a mystical being that is the embodiment of a Chinese warrior from, like, I don't know how far back. Then I'm going to come back to New York, live in a giant townhouse and medium fight evil.

I have a question, though. You've said it a couple of times. Why are you saying that he is embodying... Isn't he? What? You think he's Alec Baldwin? Isn't Alec Baldwin... Doesn't he have the spirit of some ancient warrior in him? Isn't that what he trained or what he got? That's what he turns into? No. I don't think so. He's fucking stupid.

They just kind of like shot him with stuff. All this time, I'm, this is my, I'm allegorically speaking, not allegorically speaking, but I keep thinking of it like Iron Fist.

The Marvel character Iron Fist. So he gets an ancient power that we didn't see in that montage. You're really making a lot of assumptions. I'm trying to make sense of it. I was trying to make sense of it because I wanted it to add up. Well, look, we should throw all sense out the window when the first kind of main bad guy we meet is a knife that has a face. And that's it. And that knife comes back

And he never learns the lesson that maybe the knife that's just powered by itself, you shouldn't fight that. I think the knife has the advantage at all times. The knife was terrible special effects. Wait, but what was that? I'm always bad with this. What was that knife in? He played the dad in Terminator 2 that night? Yeah, he's really good. And he was a waiter in the Blues Brothers. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That knife is good. That knife's great. So the guy... So...

Wait, now I'm thinking that maybe he was, was he a police officer? Who? Alec Baldwin. No. No, okay. I think he's supposed to be. All right, scratch that. He's like Bruce Wayne-y kind of socialite playboy, I think. I mean, he drinks a lot. He definitely drinks a lot. Like, he puts away two martinis every time. Like, they come and they're like, here's two martinis. Don't even finish it. Here you go. Well, he's always leaving. He's always coming late and leaving early, so he's got to get his drinks in as quick as possible. Yeah.

I thought that this movie was full of like this, like chin acting, chin and eyebrow acting. A lot of arched eyebrows and a lot of cocked chins. Like, you know, and I don't know. But I kind of, I'm on board with Alec Baldwin's portrayal in this. I like the craziness of this character. It's not his fault. No. I heard that's the reason that they didn't give him Batman.

- Really? - Like on the next come around, it was 'cause his shadow performance. - I guess it has a little bit of-- - He's Alec Baldwin the fuck out of this role. You know what I mean? - It is, it's like Jack Donaghy from 30 Rock, like in Superhero. - He's very like, "I met a girl and she can think, "and I have to run away." That was the most insane thing I've ever seen.

He literally was just like, you like my dress? He's like, I have to go. She knows I like her dress. Fucking pussy. By the way, Penelope Ann Miller never... Is that who that was? Yeah, she never... I felt like she was wearing a nightie the entire time. I don't know. I was one when this came out. This is... Take a look. This is the Alec Baldwin... Acting. Acting.

I'm on to your planned con. You still don't have the Borrelia. I love it. I love it. You can't complete the bomb. Besides, you know I'm going to stop you. Americans are so arrogant. You think your meaningless, decadent country is the new cradle of civilization. But let me tell you something. Hey, that's the U.S. of A you're talking about. I am talking about ruling the world.

I'd like to give you a name. Leonard Levinsky. Brilliant psychiatrist. You'll talk, he'll-- You are boring me to-- And there's the knife. Like, you could have added to any of Alec Baldwin's lines just at the end, "lemon." That's the US of A you're talking about, lemon. He was trying to be really funny in this movie.

He was really trying to be funny. I feel like there were legitimate jokes in it. There was one time where Penelope Ann Miller was like, I had this dream and my body was hot and whatever. He was like, I had a dream I ripped my face off. All right. That was great. That was really funny. That was good. I thought the movie came alive when they were able to banter together. I agree. I wanted to see more of them together. But why was his uncle the police commissioner or father?

Okay, Uncle, why was he so disgusted by Penelope Ann Miller? Yeah, no, Jonathan Winters was like, oh, here comes a trash bag full of nonsense. So upset by her. I don't even know what you would see in her. She's a stunning, beautiful woman that just walked in. But even his presence, like if you took Jonathan, I mean, by the way, huge Jonathan Winters fan, but if you took him out of the movie, it would make no difference. Like it does nothing.

He basically is like, "I hate this shadow." And they're like, "There's no shadow." "Oh, okay, there's no shadow." And then that was one scene. The next scene he was like, "Oh, someone got murdered here." We're really investigating further than that. And I think you see him later and he's just like, he's eating again and the shadow is like-- - He's always late. - I feel like he shot all of his scenes in like two days. Like that was it. - Not even. - I was wondering too, where did she get those powers from?

Well, I wrote this down. I think-- now, I might be wrong. I think she's a reincarnated Chinese spirit. Okay? I wrote this-- Ancient Chinese-- It would have been better if she was, like, the knife's daughter. Like, that would have been cool. My mother was a knife. What do you mean? Well, you ever see "Kung Fu Panda," how he thought his dad was a stork? Four people in this movie are telepathic. Yeah. That's-- That's a lot. That's a lot. Which is crazy. Like, you don't really

I get losers. It's a coolness factor when four people can read each other's minds. What about when he was in the water and he was like, I'm drowning. And she was like, he's drowning. And then she drove all the way there. And if he could shoot his memory out there, why wouldn't he just do it to a guy working on the docks? Like, dock worker, save me. I'm going to shoot it way across town. And then he has a place to breathe air out of a bullet hole. Yeah.

immediately goes away from that. Just hang out by the porthole. To go to the door, which is still locked. Yeah. You know how you're going to know when it's unlocked? She's going to open. And all the water will be gone. Keep breathing. By the way, when she opens that door, the force of that water coming out would explode her body into mush. The door would...

Ricochet out onto her. Flatten her into just person mush. My favorite was when Alec Baldwin was explaining to her how to open it. Yeah. He was like... And it was not about looking at the door. The door was simply a... Turn one, lefty-loosey, righty-tighty. Like, that's it. Not hard. I did want to just talk about this moment here. The...

'Cause it comes into play, but Penelope Ann Miller does a 2:00 a.m. visit to her father, and this is this moment. - Dad, did you get this shirt? - Did she wear that dress the whole movie? - That's insane, she's always-- - You said I look good in green. - No, this is green. That's red. - Red, green, hmm. Well, to me, it's just a clean shirt. - Which wire? - I don't remember, I just don't remember! - Pick one!

- Oh, well, what the hell, it's usually green. - No, green! - This is green. That's red. - I've gotta try to remember that. - What a good callback. - My issue is-- - That touched my heart at the end. That was really nice. - Is he colorblind or is he just too preoccupied in science to know the difference between colors? - I would love to be in the writers meeting, we'd be like, I can't see green and red.

He's like, oh, well, you know, I'm colorblind. He's like, oh, to me, it's just a clean shirt. And then he's like, I've got to remember that. If you're colorblind, you can't. Well, by the way, Paul. You can't train yourself because you're colorblind. It does posit the theory that he forgets what colors look like. I have to say, Paul, you've had trouble admitting you're colorblind. I guess you're right. You don't want to bring this up in front of all these people. But I think it's...

I think it's an uncomfortable thing to admit. I think it's hard. I'm not as bad as that. I know the difference between red. You're wearing a beautiful blue shirt and green pants. No, but you're a little bit colorblind. And I do think, and I think as a colorblind person, and I'm not one. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God.

- I imagine it's a strange feeling because you don't know. Like you're just being told you're colorblind all the time. You're not walking around missing colors. - Can you imagine if you lived in a world in which colors were a lie? When you saw things, they were lying to you? - So scary. - Wow, that was really deep. - Maybe I keep it under abstinence because when I say, "Hey, is that blue couch?" You'd be like, "No, you see blue? "That's weird."

You make me hermit in my colorblindness. I maintain your colorblindness is a little bit more subtle than this. Yeah, that's a giant one. It's blue and purple. You would definitely know how to disarm a nuclear weapon. Done it three times. By the way, that nuclear weapon was the dumbest. The atomic bomb that rolled like the Indiana Jones ball through a hotel.

That was so stupid and also the discovery that the guy goes through to be like, well, but I mean like a bomb like that would be impossible. I guess unless you did this, you did this, and you did this. And then it's like fade out and fade into someone has built that bomb. Oh, this movie was dumb. I guess we should get into Cher Khan.

The last living relative of Genghis Khan? Which seems to be impossible because, I don't know, it feels like, well, here's my issue. He speaks perfect English. Everybody does. Everybody speaks perfect English everywhere they go in the movie. Even if it's like Chinese Warrior 1 talking to Chinese Warrior 2.

they're going to choose to speak English to each other and be like, he went that way. Okay, I'll go this way. You go that way. Okay, cool. And it also posits a world in which those people were not living in New York City. They somehow came. Like, I guess my whole thing is... How did he get an army of warriors? I kept wondering that. Well, look, I don't even understand why he had to come in Genghis Khan's tomb. That made no sense. So, like, was he in there for a long time? Like, for this ruse? Because... You're saying there are other ways to get.

Yeah, just get on a plane. Like, it didn't seem like he was a mummy. Oh, this is Genghis Khan come back to life. Was he ancient? No. He wasn't? No. He was the last living relative. Why did... Okay, okay. He just chose that as transportation. He's like, it's cheap. Don't want to buy that first class flight. I genuinely now am really curious and have a little bit of fear that I don't understand what is going on in the movie.

The Genghis Khan guy-- - You're gonna have a June moment. - I'm going down the rabbit hole.

I thought he was like a very old ancient warrior guy. That's what led me to believe part of this. I did too. So why does he know Alec Baldwin? Why does he know who Alec Baldwin is? Well, because I think he came from the same place that Alec Baldwin... They were both trained by the same guy. Yeah. When were they trained though? He didn't say that. During that seven years. He said, I killed your master, right? That's why he took the knife. Again, we don't see any of this. But it happens. We hear it all as a quick line of exposition.

in between scenes. That's how he has the knife. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, fine. He's, yeah, no, he's born, you know, in the same... Okay, okay. But why come in in the tomb? Well, I'll tell you why you thought that, because he came in in a tomb. Yes, in a tomb in, like, ancient armor. Yes, but that was, again, just the way he got there. Yeah. And then he does a bunch of Garden State shit where he's always, like, on the floor matching the rug, and then...

you know, in the wallpaper, matching the wallpaper. I'm like, all right, we get it. These guys are into blending, I guess. My favorite was the cop's bit of, like, closing the little portholes. Oh, yeah. For, like, 35 seconds. But it seems like he drew so much attention to himself, he could have just come in the Brooks Brothers suit. I mean, he wants to get his nice suit and drink some, yeah, like,

I don't know. I thought he was Genghis Khan for a long time. I did too. I thought he was Genghis Khan. And by the way, why not? For like 15 minutes, yeah. I thought so too. He did say he came in Genghis Khan's whatever it is, sarcophagus or whatever, in order to gain some of his power or something like that, didn't he? Okay, so there's some, he gave some half-assed screenwriter's reason for like, oh, that's how I came because I got some power from it.

His main power, though, seemed to be, like, he loved getting people to kill themselves. Loved it. The Empire State Building scene, I think, is one of my favorite scenes ever in a movie. Like, a Navy guy walks by. He's like, hey, nice hat, toots, to Shere Khan. And then, is that the name right? No, is it?

Sure. Donkey Kong. Chaka Kong. Chaka Kong. And then, like, he's so upset that someone called him a lady. He's like, get up. He makes this Navy man climb over. My favorite thing is he goes...

With his fingers miming the walk. - He does like finger walking gesture to tell the guy, like, climb up over the fence and jump off. - To which the man jumps off the Empire State Building and then immediately as he's falling to his death, they cut down to Alec Baldwin going, "It's all falling into place." - And you see the guy going like, "Boom!" Like falling and hitting the building twice. - And which leads me to believe-- Uh-oh.

Somebody just exited the theater very angrily. But that leads me to believe that there was at some point more humor in it. Should we wait for him? Let's just wait, just kind of kill some time until he comes back. Well, the weird thing about that guy... I don't want him to miss any. Yeah, yeah. The weird thing about that guy killing himself is that everybody else seemed to kill themselves happily. Yeah. With pleasure. No, this guy really was like, get me down!

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♪ How did this get me ♪ - Um, the, so then, the, okay, yeah. How about the guy in a fight? This is the thing that infuriated me because you've got a hero.

This is, okay, we should say, this is based on an incredibly popular radio drama of, or radio show. Serial, whatever. Serialized radio show of the 1940s, 30s. Which, by the way, you could argue the reason why it was invisible was because it was a radio show. Exactly. So in order to put it into a visual medium...

A hero who is not seen, the only way to see him is see his shadow. They are constantly constructing ways for people to shine lights around a room. Like there's a whole fight sequence where people are fighting and one guy picks up a flashlight and he's like,

Scanning the room and every once in a while he'll catch like, uh-oh, the shadow. And then it goes away and then it's back. That was making me crazy. But then at certain points too, like when he was beating the shit out of everyone on the bridge, he just seemed like a super fast like kind of Tasmanian devil kind of thing. Like Ant-Man. He has like a kind of smoky presence which was cool. I was into it then. But then sometimes he's a straight up shithead.

like a pancake shadow. And then sometimes he's a human shadow. Yes. And by that I mean Alec Baldwin with a prosthetic nose and a mask on his face. I still don't know why that happened. That was a big story. And in my justification, I was like, ooh, I wonder if that's what the ancient warrior looked like and that's him coming out.

I don't know anybody. I'm like confounded by the mythology of this character. Clearly. Jin, what did you think when he ripped off his face? In the dream sequence? Yeah. I hated it. It was horrible. It was just horrible. You know, I watched this movie in segments of like 10 minutes at a time. Why did he have nightmares though? They never explained that. Why did he? Yeah, he just always had nightmares. And he was always envisioning himself...

bad guy because I guess he was a bad guy but he was envisioning himself as that bad guy. What the fuck? He has a nightmare about being it's him Alec Baldwin in the bad guy's armor like warrior armor like in a fight in my mind in the very distant past.

I was thinking of it more like, how can I be fighting this guy? I am this guy. Like, I am equally evil. I think that was the idea, that that's his internal struggle. Like, am I good or am I bad? You know, like, it's a bummer how impossible this movie is. Because, well, at the end...

Again, going back to your point, which I agree with, the knife seems to be the ultimate bad guy. The knife is the guy who hurt Alec Baldwin in the beginning. The knife comes back and stabs him in the middle. And at the end, they have a full... By the way, this is the worst ending ever because it is just two guys battling with

with a knife that they can both mentally control. Wait, is this Hall of Mirrors as well? Yes, Hall of Mirrors. There's also Hall of Mirrors, which I was like, why is this? What? I was doing some research, or I should say, Nate Kiley was doing some research, and I was like, this ending is shitty, and then I found out it was because the earthquake of 1994 destroyed the set, and they were like, uh, Hall of Mirrors. So...

That's sad. Yeah. Wow. So that was, yeah. So that was that. What was it going to be? I don't know. The other interesting thing was... We haven't even gotten into how that building became invisible. Sure. That's a power he didn't seem to have before. And also the building was invisible, but it also seemed like it was a hotel or a club. It was a hotel. It had a big logo on the floor. It was a hotel. So that's odd. Like if you're going to psychically create...

that you would also monetize it. He's not creating it. He's hiding it. But it was under construction when he... No. It was a... He hypnotized everyone. To think it was gone. But it was, I believe, his base of operations. But I thought when he pulled the cab up to it, it was just an empty lot. This is hurting my mind. Absolutely.

I don't want to continue this discussion much longer, but it was an empty lot because we, as the viewer, have also been, are also seeing what basic civilians are seeing, which is an empty lot. That's the whole thing. But wait, so he had somebody go there and hide a hotel like years ago? Paul, Paul. Guys, guys, let's just all leave the room for a second. We'll let Paul and June. Now the hotel was, the hotel was solid blue, right? What? They've been hypnotized. Okay. Okay.

Yes, I get it. So he didn't have someone go over there and tear down the hotel. They had been hypnotized to not see it there and to just see like a construction pile. The hotel had always existed. It was never not there, Paul. But I'm asking about, I'm asking about the people who were staying in the hotel. What happened to them? Well, nope. Nope, we're checking in at 12 p.m. What if they were like, it seemed to happen in the middle of the night.

So if they were asleep and they woke up-- - Why don't you meet me in my room? I'm in room 201. No, I don't think-- there are no guests in the hotel. It's just the bad guys' lair. - He's not functioning at the hotel. - All right. - This was a $40 million movie. The budget for this movie was $40 million in 1994, which is like $93 million today. - That is crazy.

I'm going to reveal more of my dumbness if I ask questions about this hotel. Both of us. I feel just as dumb. I guess my question is this. I know he's hiding it. For how long? How long? Well, he's only been there. He only arrived at the Museum of Natural History a couple weeks ago. Whoa, whoa. Wait, you say six years you've been hiding it?

Hold on, why is it... Hang on, before we even go to this guy, is there something fundamental about this movie's plot that we are missing? Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on. Wait, who has said that? Can one person succinctly explain what we're missing? You think you can, or you think you can't? Wow, you...

Oh, you bought it. Well, we'll have a duel. We'll see. If she gets it right, you can't talk. All right, come over here. Here we go. Kumite. You wanted the Kumite. Now you come close. I want to keep you both close here so you can both kind of go off. All right, so here we go. They're not going to fight. All right, so tell us what we're missing. Here we go. What's your name, by the way? Kate, nice to meet you. What's your name? Honey, nice to meet you. Kate, tell me. Kate, just complimented your name. Thank you.

Say something nice about Kate. Oh my God, what? Are you guys falling in love? She says that Kate looks very... Did we just make a love connection? So Kate, go for it. And at any point, honey, you go, and I'll go to you. Right before the title came up, when he was in the Severus Snape wig, right with all the chest hair, you were going to change your appearance. And so that's why he did all that.

You're not explaining the hotel part. He's in a fundamental plot. That's a fundamental plot. So Genghis Khan goes to meet with the shadow the first time. He basically says, after

train the master wanted to take on a new disciple because he saw that he could do it so he immediately he got immediately trained and then so he actually because then they also say later that the hotel disappeared six years ago so basically by the way hold on Kate just said right well we're talking she's talking about the hotel got it guys don't fight you just fell in love

So he's been in New York actually for six years. No. Wait, the movie? No, guys. No, no, no, no. No. He's hypnotized people to believe that the hotel has been gone for six years. Disappeared six years ago. He didn't disappear in the hotel. It has to be somebody that's powerful enough and Genghis Khan could actually overtake. What'd you just say? That's actually pretty good. But this is, like, here's the thing. Genghis Khan could shadow and the only reason he went into the

He needed more power because he was draining his power. So he went into the tomb and he was just trying to... Why do you know this? You shouldn't care that much about this fucking movie. I'm just going to say... This movie was ass. I'm going to say that six people, six people watch this movie, one can describe it. One can explain it. I feel a little better now because, like, you...

No. None of it. The reason why I don't agree with it is why did the tomb arrive? Because it sucks. But it arrived via delivery and the people at the museum were like, we didn't order this.

What is this? We didn't order it, but open it. We didn't order it. Right, so if he needs to go into that zoo, why not deliver it to himself? Or to the invisible hotel. Yes, to that trouble. Deliver it to your invisible hotel. Because then this movie would be good. But also, why kill the cab driver when everyone in your organization is also taking cabs all the time? You're keeping a record of where I'm going?

There's gas. Also, why not just be like, yeah, the whole movie is Jedi mind tricks. Why not just be like, forget you ever drove me anywhere. Okay, cool. My power is suicide. Well, obviously we missed a lot of stuff. I don't think we did. Did we? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. Oh. This one's a bad one. What did this get on the tomatoes? Well, the tomatoes ratings may not have been around at this point.

Yeah, it doesn't have a Tomatoes rating. I imagine it's... Oh, no, I remember I did see it. It was like 30%. Like in the 30s, low 30s. That's generous. Cat in the Hat got 10%. So fuck rock tomatoes. This movie, in the grand scheme of things, is the year that Forrest Gump, The Lion King, and True Lies came out. And according to the movies that we did in this show, it was Street Fighter and Junior beat this movie, but Color of Night did worse than this movie.

just to give it some context. Let's go into the crowd here because I think maybe the crowd might have some questions that we can kind of answer. 35%. 35%. I'll also take answers. Yes. Like, in a rare, how did this get made exclusive? Like, please give us answers. Okay, so sir, your name, name, your name, maybe the title of the sequel, and your question. Here we go.

My name is Rob. The title would be the VO Superhero. Oh, I like it. And I have got so much. He says ha ha ha more than the Joker. I mean, he's a cloud at one point. But my biggest thing is Tim Curry. Why have we not talked about Tim Curry? Tim Curry was actually pretty great. I like it. His suicide, his rapiness, all of it.

Well, it's Tim Curry. He is playing his character from Rocky Horror Picture Show. It was interesting, though, that he committed suicide at the end because then I started to think that he was, he believed that he was going to be, he did believe he was going to be reincarnated. I'm not agreeing with that. I'm not disagreeing with that. He wasn't. Wait, hold on. Tim Curry guy is getting back up. Paul, just because he stands up, you don't need to go to him. Good point. That's a good point. I'll go back.

Thank you, Jason. Because nobody was forcing him to commit suicide. Nobody was forcing him to commit suicide. He did that willingly. I, at a certain point, started to feel like, and they spoke to it specifically, was he under the bad guy's power the whole, was he basically under the Imperius curse the whole time? I was trying to figure that out. No, the case was no. What a great excuse for being rapey. I was under this curse. Yeah.

Sir, your name, your title of the sequel, if there ever would be one, because it was a planned trilogy. Oh, wow. Yes. It was a planned trilogy, and they had a bunch of merchandise ready to go. Toys, lunch boxes, everything. Merchandise for Invisible Hero? What merchandise? They killed it all. I have it right here. Empty boxes. Just fedora. Yeah, all the kids running around with fedoras. Oh, wait, watch this.

Mom, can I get Ian McKellen for Christmas, my Ian McKellen action figure? And he doesn't know the difference between... It comes with a red and a green wire. But you get to see it in his version, which is just two gray wires. LAUGHTER

Okay, here you go. Name's Nathaniel, and actually, like I was going to say, that's a trick question because there would never be a sequel. Okay. My thing is... Calm down, everybody. We skipped a part at the beginning where it's like a harem and it's an opium dim. They bring the guy in, his faithful guy he grew up with, gets in front of him. They tell him to shoot him, right, to kill him.

And then Alec Baldwin says, he's like, you're like my father. Shoot him. And by the way, he couldn't have been like his father because he's only been there for... Six years. Everything in this movie is in six year intervals. Is his father also the knife? I want to see the movie with a knife. Yeah, so then he shoots him and then he tells a joke in like a foreign language and everyone laughs about it. And I was just wondering what you guys thought maybe the joke was. Ooh, that's a good question. You want us...

to tell you what the joke was. The joke was, after this movie, they're going to make me Batman. Does anybody... That deserved more. Did anybody tell us what the joke was? Anyone know... Anybody speak Mandarin? Yeah. It's not completely impossible to assume. It kind of is like a low-rent version of, I guess, what that movie Doctor Strange will eventually be. Like, you know, I mean, Doctor Strange, in a way...

No. All right, here you go. Sir, your name, your alternate title for the movie, and your question. All right, name's Jeremy. The movie would be Shadow 2, the parts that make sense. Nice. Jeremy Spoke at the show.

Woo! Woo! Yeah! Yeah! Woo! Woo! Like a lot of the movies, I think there is an entire second movie just of the parts that you're missing from this one. There's the training montage. There's the six-year build-up that's... So Won Con uses to get control over New York and hypnotize them from a building being gone that isn't explained at all. So wait, do you think this movie takes place over six years? No, but they say that...

When the building disappeared six years ago, he had to have started something. But he's hypnotized people to believe that. Yes. But it's not a real crime. Or is he making you think it went away six years ago? That's what I'm saying. He's hypnotized you to believe. But what happened to those people who were in the hotel six years ago? Yeah.

They booked it on Expedia and then they get there and they're like, wait a second. Don't they say that they sold the building to somebody? Somebody in the Far East. Somebody foreign. Okay, sorry, Jeremy's got this. Yeah, they sold it to somebody in the Far East and then nobody remembers it being torn down but it disappeared right after that. So, ostensibly, Khan bought it and then hypnotized everybody to it not existing anymore. There's...

Why are you so nervous? It's probably tied to that llama cigarettes because that's what he uses to hypnotize both of the lanes. Right? That's true. That is like some sort of antenna. And that may be true. But what may not be true is that he's actually been in New York City for six years. I'm just going to throw down one more thing. Why even make the hotel invisible? Just lock the doors. No.

No one will ask any questions. It's not like you would question, like, why is that building here? Well, the whole movie is predicated on things being invisible. Yeah, but I do think your point is valid because I think if I were in New York and, you know, maybe a small business owner or... Doing what?

What do you think? Wanting to open up a shop, a flower shop or some such. I would look at that property and think, "Wow." Oh, you're gonna open a flower shop of that property? I just wanted to be a flower shop owner in another life. I would think to myself, "God, it's been vacant for so long."

I bet I can get it for a steal. I bet I can get it, yeah. Because the longer it stays empty... And put up a hotel-sized flower shop on this plot. But I agree. It begs more questions. Do you think maybe it was a metaphor for, you know, maybe people from the Asian-American community and, like, the 1940s were really not seen?

Especially in Midtown and having a big business. Thank you. Thank you. Did we ever get to your question? No. Jeremy? The question I had goes back to his telepathically killing people or making them kill themselves. He has the taxi driver drive into a gas station directly adjacent to the lot of the hotel that he is taking control of. Why would you blow a gas station up in the building you're hiding into?

I think similarly, when Tim Curry asks him during the final act, "Is there an airplane that's gonna get us out of here?" He says, "Yeah, there is, but I don't think there was." So was he planning on dying with that atom bomb exploding? I guess my answer is I don't know. I think he's okay with-- What was his plan in general? Why was he gonna blow up an atom bomb in New York?

What was it? World domination. He did say world domination. He was saying, give me money, right? Or I'll blow it. But he never really said that to anybody besides the shadow. It was on the newspaper. Oh, yeah, it was on the news. Good, okay, that's good. A newsie gave us that piece of advice. I gotta go to these people who are wearing shirts. What do we got? This guy has a shirt that says, a man who belongs atop a pencil. 88 minutes. And then you are wearing the Kumite shirt. I love it. Two homemade shirts. Okay. Okay.

Oh my gosh, we got fan art. This is amazing. Do you have a question? Okay, what's your name, your title, and here you go. My name is Mallory. It would be shadow to shadow. So I feel like we've all watched this movie and maybe didn't understand it. Are we going to explain the red rings? Everyone is wearing a red ring. No one has talked about it.

The red rings are to keep the shadow people together, but then they're also going off at inopportune times that would also call a lot of attention. It would be like wearing the bat signal on Batman's chest. So it would be like, hey, Bruce Wayne, why is there a bat signal on your chest? Never mind, I have to leave. And there's so many of them that I feel like you would be constantly running into people and be like, oh, you're a shadow bro? Yeah. Yeah.

Total shadow bro, bro. And the other thing is that we're told in the beginning that... The shadow bros? The shadow bros are actually only going to be called upon by using the secret exchange of like, it's rainy outside today or whatever that was. I googled what was the point of the hotel in the shadow and there's nothing. It don't exist.

I would have loved it if, like, while walking through the lobby of the hotel, like, Jack Nicholson had been there on a typewriter. You know what, though? Wouldn't it have been cooler if the Shad Bros did a thing where they would whisper, like a whisper campaign? Like, hey, they murdered somebody at the museum. The next one, murder. And that's how he got information? Like, through a whisper network? It was a combination of past notes. That disappeared. Pneumatic tubes and rings that lit up.

It was very convoluted. And imagine trying to put in all those pneumatic tubes. Like, they seem to be very visible. And like, why is there a tube shooting out of that building connecting to it? And very ramshackle. I kept being like, oh, somebody's got to be repairing these constantly. The pneumatic upkeep alone must be breaking the shadow's bank.

Guys, can I get a mechanic? Can I get some more Shadbros that can fix these pneumatic tubes? I will call upon you to fix my pneumatic tube. You didn't even really save my life. You're just making me do work. I have now saved your life, so you will fix my pneumatic tube. I wasn't even standing in the street. You think I don't see that you haven't fixed my pneumatic tube?

Isn't that guy's gotta work there all the time in the pneumatic tube depot? I love when Peter Boyle, his ring goes up when he's with his wife and he's like, "I gotta go." And she's like, "Oh, come on."

All right, sir. Your name, your title, and your question. My name is Daniel. My sequel title is The Shadow Knows Too Much. Oh, interesting. So I have a quick comment. One, I think the reason he went to the museum is because he mentioned the Tibetan tapestries were really nice. That's where he got the sick tapestries to match his floor and his lair. Wait, wait. What? What?

He was like, the Tibetan tapestries are really excellent in your collection. No, that's not why he was delivered to a fucking movie. It was an inside job to steal tapestries!

He's like, all right, so I'm gonna make this hotel disappear, but then once I get that all set up. I wish that was the movie. Because that, I could be like, I get it, he wanted the tapestries. An Ocean's Eleven of tapestries? Okay, so then I'm gonna get in the sarcophagus. You guys are gonna ship me to the museum. The tapestries were like the rugs that he... Lay down into, the Garden State thing, yeah. Yeah, that he's been disappearing into. Didn't something come out of the tapestry?

He did. He did. He made the matching robe. The squares? Yeah. What was that? I feel like, can I say, I feel like maroon shirt has all the answers. Maroon shirt, do you know what's up? Hold on, I'll come back to you. Stay here, stay here, stay here. Let's say maroon shirt. Maroon shirt. What question? Do you know anything more that you're not letting on? I feel like you have answers. What do you know that, yeah, that we should know? What's the story of this movie?

what question do you want answered? What's the story of this movie? Start from the beginning and finish at the end.

With the squares, he's doing some sort of like power ritual where he needs to summon power to do something. So he's doing this thing, concentrating on the squares. They come out, they do a little dance, and then they like rush back into the tapestry and he goes, like he's had some sort of power. You just described what you saw. I can do that. We understand what visually happened. Is that something we understand from the movie? Yeah.

Like, is that, does that connect it to anything we've seen? Is he just... - We're going back to Danielle. - Is Danielle right? Do the tapestries themselves have power? That he is happening? Guys, what's this fucking movie about? Furious! - All right, so, this is, by the way now, we're getting into the dozens of people who cannot explain this movie. That's a bad sign. There's bad movies, but if you can't even get to the A to B, we're in trouble.

So Alec Baldwin, married to Kim Basinger at a time, right, was in Batman. Batman and the mythology was inspired by Grey Ghost, which was a character based off of The Shadow. Alec Baldwin did his movies as a power play in his relationship. Thoughts? Great question. Oh, guys. I love that everybody's like, ooooper. Like, but Alec Baldwin's like, I'm gonna get back at my wife through comics. I'll upset the comic balance of our relationship.

Okay. Question better asked without an answer. Here we go. Your name, your title, and your question. My name is Killian, and my title would be Shadow Revenge of the Knife. Nice. All right. So I actually have like a theory on who Lamont actually is. Ooh, great. Lamont is actually Peter Pan.

I'm listening. Yeah, yeah, let me explain. Peter Pan and his shadow. So Peter Pan and his shadow are two different entities, right? So the shadow of Peter Pan can be captured. So the shadow is inside of Lamont.

Okay, so Lamont was Peter Pan. I'm listening. In Neverland. Alright, he starts growing up. They kick him out of Neverland because he's aging. So he wants his revenge, but he needs funding for his revenge to get back into Neverland. But in that process, forgets about Neverland. He forgets about it? You are insane. Yeah, I know, right? You're an insane person. The only way this makes sense. Alright.

It actually does make way more sense than the movie. Yeah, right? So he forgets about Neverland and he just goes on this quest. He doesn't know why he's trying to slaughter people and get all this money for revenge because he's talking about Neverland. By the way, I would also watch that movie. I love it. Because that adds up more than this does. Well, because I do love the sort of metaphorical reuniting with your shadow self, with the bad part of yourself that you don't like to admit, that you don't like to look at, but is always with you.

He's evil at the beginning, right? He's just a straight-up villain. He killed his... Alec Baldwin? Yeah. He kills that guy. He's an opium guy. Yeah, he has cocaine fingers. He likes cocaine so much that it's just not the pinky. It's all ten fingers. So at any given point, if one finger gets tired... I see that as somebody very generous because they've got it one for themselves. So he's like a serving tray of cocaine? No.

It's like, everybody can come and get a little bit. It's like more communal. It's not selfish. Like, here I am doing coke. It's like, hey, everybody, come on, come over here, everybody. Who knows, is it touching? We're all good friends. These are great. All great theories, all great questions. All right, I'm going to go back to maroon shirt because we have to. What do you think? What do you have? Okay, so my name's Tim, and the sequel would be The Lady Shadow.

Where he trains Penelope Ann Miller to be, now they're like a shadow team. Yep. Anyway. We liked it. So my comment is when they're in the noodle shop and he's got his business suit on, Alec Baldwin's like, hey, that's the US of A you're talking about, pal.

Then they both draw their guns, shoot at each other, and the bullets hit each other, but they didn't make that happen. They, like, have a bond and look at each other like, oh, shit, did that just happen? Yeah. Well, it's because they were trained by the same person. But were they really? So, like, wow, so it's a Harry Potter thing. Their wands are connected. Oh, you think it's because they both have the same thing inside, the same phoenix feather? Yeah.

Who has a really good question? I see you're okay. You have a good question. You're wearing a cool shirt. I like this. Wait, what is this? Sir, your name, your title, and your question. My name's Jason. Prove it. You recognize the Jason. I didn't realize that. I don't know. Are you really named Jason? Yes, sir. All right. Oh, she's nodding. So I believe it. All right, get cool. All right, this guy seems to get it.

The sequel would be The Shadow 2, pissing away millions more. And my question, so my understanding of the powers is, as far as the building and... Oh, I have a question for you, though. Do you consider yourself to be the Jason of your group? Yes, sir, because my name is Jason, which is the main qualifier. So you're probably the Jason of your group.

Cool, cool, go ahead. So, the way that he and the building both would disappear was hypnosis based. They didn't actually turn invisible, which is why he still cast a shadow. So my question is, why didn't that gigantic building cast a shadow? Nice. Bam! I think...

Wait, wait. I think because... They've been hypnotized. I don't think the shadow is hypnotizing people to not see him. He's just becoming a shadow. His shadow's still visible, but that's just because of whatever. I think the hypnosis... I think the hypnosis of the building is not the same thing as... Totally separate. You don't see me. Now you see me? Now you see me three shadow... What's up, shadow bros? Revenge of the shadow bros? Who thinks they're going to have the question that's going to really...

knock it out of the park. The confidence is high with this guy over here. All right, here we go. Final question, I think. Here we go, final question. Because we're not making any headway. Your name, your name. We're further down the rabbit hole. I think we actually know less about the movie. I feel, yeah. I really feel like, yeah. Geez. Name, title, question. David, I'm going to steal from June. Shadow Bros, starring all the bald ones. Okay. If you want to see a movie about the knife, you can...

It was the Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy. It's the same knife, which- Same actor from the beginning too. Yes. Which means this is probably a prequel to the Golden Child?

Holy shit. Wait, is that real? Yes. It's not the same knife, really. It's just there's also a knife. I mean, it looks... Wait. I'll find out. They're the same prop. What? It's the same knife. No. Same face. Same forehead. Wait, is this real? The Golden Child, is it called? Yes. An Eddie Murphy movie. I'll fucking find out if you're lying. Eddie Murphy movie with some of the... I mean, definitely some of the actors are in the same movie. If this is a prequel to Golden Child...

We have not succeeded in making one liquid sense. Oh my God, it is the same fucking night. Holy shit. So wait. Golden Child is a sequel to... Wait, do these movies take place in the same cinematic universe? That is crazy. That is it. It might be a little bigger. That's pretty great. That's a good call. Yeah, because the guy is always making fun of Eddie Murphy is...

is the guy in the beginning who gets shot. Yeah. - What? - Oh my God, it actually says it's the knife from the shadow. - It's the exact same knife. - If you Google the golden child knife, the shadow knife comes out. - That, by the way, we made a joke about it earlier. That knife got a lot of work. - Holy shit. - And it did, it was bad in both movies.

Well, this is amazing. Wow. Obviously, we had an opinion. Let's type in golden child knife just so we see. What? Golden child knife. Huh? There we go. No, I need to know if that really happened because I've been doing a lot of drugs and now I don't know if you said Google. There it is. Same knife. Just so you can see it. Wow. Why? That doesn't, that only makes this movie worse. Well, we can buy it for 12 bucks. Buy it.

- Guys? - At WholesalesWorld.com. - Guys? I want-- - WholesalesWorld.com. - I want everybody to reach under your seats. Everybody get the knife! Reach under! - Wow. - Only five people can leave this room. - Oh, look, to the left, it says "The Shout," yeah. - Yeah, there it is. Wow. - This is very bizarre. But also, the other images, also bizarre.

This is a very visual part of the podcast. You were looking for the shadow knife. Want to see a picture of this girl in a bikini? The second episode where we're just Googling images and enjoying them all. So obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are some people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for opinions. Okay, here we go. These are five-star reviews cold from Amazon. Let me just tell you, the reviews for this film...

were so angry. And they're mad at that. They are mad at Batman the character, Batman the movie. They have a lot to say. I'm gonna read you some of my favorites. Here we go. This is from Priscilla Statford. "The Shadow is something like Batman, Superman, and The Phantom, and other comic book hero movies. But on the other hand, it's very unlike them in that I totally loved it."

I've always loved good-looking Alec Baldwin. I like that qualifier. I don't love not good-looking Alec Baldwin, also known as Stephen Baldwin. I have to say, though, he does look amazing. He does look very good. He's a hunk and a half. In this movie, his acting and expressions are very good. Which I took both acting and expressions. Oh, you have to. Did you take gestures? I took gestures.

Oh, I failed gestures. And then it goes, you know at the end where Baldwin has the hat, the cape, and the scarf off? His outfit really looks like Neo's in the movie The Matrix. Alec Baldwin looks so cool wearing this outfit with his chrome 45s in his hands. Exclamation point, exclamation point. This was written by Alec Baldwin. Five stars. This is from Eric Hildebrandt.

In my opinion, this is a better film than Burton's or anyone else's Batman. It was written in 2008. - That's a real fuck you to Schumacher right there. - Here are the reasons, here are the reasons that it makes it better. One, a deeper backstory, an even more ambivalent protagonist. - That is simply untrue. - Two, richer characterizations.

Three better co-stars. - Yeah. - I mean, there are some good ones. Jack Nicholson's pretty good. - Yeah. - Everybody likes him. But yeah, I guess I would take maybe this guy. - Peter Boyle, Ian McKellen, Tim Curry. - Yeah, this is good. Yeah, I would take this. All right, that wins. 1.1. A better plot. - No. - No. I could argue that we could describe Batman. - Yeah. - Pretty simply. Even from memory. Better special effects. Draw? - Same. - Yeah, same.

- A more interesting female lead. - Boo! - Is that Kim Basing or Versa? I guess she was more interesting than Kim Basing. She's less of a dancer. - Well, she does get her own, like, you know, when the bad guy hypnotizes her to kill him, like there's a little bit of like business to that. But again, like why is she so able to get into his house with a gun? - Very easy.

Okay, and then this is where it gets off the rails. One of the greatest achievements of this production is that somehow the director avoided the temptation to overlay a modern sensibility onto 1930s characters. Many recent superhero films, the Beverly Hills 90210 or Melrose Place approach to characterization. This was written in 2008. Which is a loathsome idea.

More loathsome is that Frank Miller's Sin City approach to character, which can best be described as Mickey Spillane on meth. Whoa! Besides predating Batman, the Shadow is many ways more of an interesting character. The Shadow has a couple of .45 caliber pistols and used powers of mesmerism to cloud men's minds. All

Also, the shadow wore regular clothes, but disguised himself with an overcoat, a slouch hat, and a scarf, which is way more stylish and less sissy than leotards. Five stars. Doesn't Tim Curry call him a sissy? Yes.

I feel like he uses that word a lot because he sounds like Tim Curry. Yeah. And you're like, sissy. It is, it's so confusing. I mean, I guess we've already gone over this, but like why the shadow's power is mind control. Like why not just be a shadow and lean into that? Yeah, just enjoy that one power. Be a shadow. And the power of being a shadow. Running around real fast. No, he isn't a shadow. What? He can become a shadow.

No, I don't think so. All you see is his shadow. Right, but what his power is is being just a shadow. No. This is where we are. We're at the end of the show and have just discovered this disagreement wherein half of us believe that his superpower is to become a shadow.

The movie is called The Shadow. Right. All you see, he becomes invisible and all you can see is his shadow, right? But he is a physical, invisible man, right? He is a real man, but he can become a shadow. Don't get angry. I don't care anymore. No, this we need to get to the point. I will stay here all goddamn night.

Fuck the other movie. Fuck the other crowd. I only want to get to the bottom of this piece of talk. Who here thinks that he is just a man? Well, I guess the question would be, who here thinks he's a shadow, just by applause? Like, he could turn into a literal shadow by applause. Who here thinks that he just... What do you think, Jason? What's the crawl at the beginning? All right, the crawl at the beginning is this. Oh, God.

So it goes, the price of redemption for Cranston was to take up man's struggle against evil. The Tukul taught him to cloud men's minds, fog their vision through the force of concentration, leaving visible the only thing he can never hide, his shadow. Yes. Don't worry about it, guys. Don't worry about it. Those of you who doubted me, don't worry about it.

Well, this is my favorite review because this is someone who truly gets the movie. This is from Eve William, written in 2000. Lone displays a modern version of Iago. He must seduce the hero by joining him.

The conquest of a new empire controlling the whole world. Great lessons come to display by Baldwin, and you see Baldwin refusing the temptation and returns to mankind the righteousness in which it deserves. Quickly, you see Baldwin in mind controlling a piece of broken mirror in the final scene that ends the dream of a tyrant. Five stars. - All right. - By the way-- - Can I go back to this for one second? - That review is better written than the movie. Go ahead, Jimmy.

I see. Okay. I see. Now I'm understanding from, from the text, but if that, if his main power weren't to be completely invisible, then like, why wouldn't he just be a shadow all the time? Like, why is he not a shadow all the time? If that's the, if that's the pinnacle of his powers, I don't think that is, I don't think it's, well, he's not a shadow.

I understand that he's not a shadow. He uses his ability to cloud men's minds so they can't see him, so that he seems to be everywhere and nowhere. They don't know where, like the guy in the beginning, shooting wildly because he can't figure out where this guy is, and that's why the cackling laugh, and that's why it is all this kind of disembodied threat. But as we see, he can be shot. You know, he can be hit and he starts to bleed. So you could definitely still stay in the hotel. He could stay in the hotel.

The hotel still, you could still have like a king-sized bed. He could go to bed. He could go to bed. You wouldn't see him on the bed, but you would see the indentation of him on the bed. And we'll continue this conversation on the wrap-up show. We'll just continue the after show. I guess I'm just shocked at how complicated this power is. I'm shocked. I, I,

I don't know from what's happening. I don't feel good about this. I didn't enjoy it. I didn't enjoy any of this. This was... I don't care to talk about it anymore, actually. Well, with that, I feel with that, we can't go any further. We have discussed it.

We have talked to so many people here. No one can make sense of this fucking movie. Paul, can I ask the audience a question? Just because I'm curious. Go ahead. By applause, who thinks they understood the movie? Okay, good, good. Because I really thought they're all going to applaud and we're idiots. I'm surprised that they did. But no, I'm glad. I'm glad.

Like one fourth of the audience got this movie. And I bet those like five people who clapped are like, well, I listened to all the radio plays. They're all on Audible. Well, obviously, I guess we can answer this question, but would you recommend this movie, Pete? No. June? Really, really genuinely, and I mean this from the bottom of my tiny stone heart, no. I'm going to just finish it up and say, nope.

So that is a big answer for all you there. If you want to find out more about this movie, you can definitely read the article, the companion piece article up on Slash Film written by Blake Harris. I don't know who he's getting yet, but it will be good. As we've just found out recently in Mannequin 2, some really great stuff.

Yeah, so he's getting to the bottom of this. But if you want to have anything that you would like to add, you can give us a call at 619-Paul-Ask. That's A-S-K-Paul-Ask, not Paul-Ask. It's not Paul-Ask? No. No, you sure? Because I've been leaving messages. I am actually very, I'm going to put down my foot and say I'm pissed off about calling Paul-Ask with movie-related questions. That is a line for sensuality. That is a line for adult talk, not movie talk. Call this 619-Paul-Ask for movie talk.

- But Paul Ass-- - That's a profession-- - Paul Ass is where you get Dirty Dog on the phone. - I get adult with other adults. - Yeah. - That's what I do. So let's see where we are gonna be. Pete, you have anything you wanna plug? - My stand-up special will air on Comedy Central October 15th. - Now, are you a shadow in this? Are you totally corporeal? - Are you visible? - No, I'm very visible and very drunk.

Enjoy it, everybody. Wait, is it October 15th on Comedy Central? Yes. All right, great. June? You can check out Grace and Frankie season one and two are both on Netflix. Jason?

I got nothing. I can also just pass a buck and say, yeah, I got nothing. I mean, you can follow us, I guess, on the How Did This Get Made Twitter. Yeah. You can follow us on Twitter and on our Facebook page. So eat shit. Yeah. We're at HDTGM and we're on Facebook at How Did This Get Made. Big thanks to Averill Halley who cut all these amazing clips.

July Diaz, Nate Kiley, Marissa Zaitz, Leanna Waldron, everybody here at Largo, everybody at Airwolf. Thank you guys so much for coming out today. We'll see you all next time. Head to Whole Foods Market to jumpstart your January during our New Year boosting event with savings on feel-good favorites storewide. Save on organic picks, wellness staples, and more all month long.

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