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Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?, the

The movie is passion play. The year is 2011. The tagline? Between heaven and hell, there is fear. And what is it about? Well, Mickey Rourke is a former junkie with a hit on him, and after he escapes death, in quotes, he finds a winged woman, that's Megan Fox, and offers to sell her to a gangster, played by Bill Murray, to take the price off his head, but that is before he falls in love with her. Woof. All right, uh...

Hey, let me introduce to you my co-hosts, Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both? Worse. Worse than I was before I started this movie at 9.30 this morning. Oof. Oof.

I started it at midnight last night and it went down smooth until 145. You know what's so interesting? We have a lot to talk about, obviously, and I don't want to jump to the end. Oh, please, jump to the end. Okay, fine. So this movie was worth it. It was all worth it for that one shot.

of Megan Fox holding Mickey Rourke like a baby. Like a child and flying through the air with him. Yes. Honestly, I was like, oh, great. Like it all... Everything is sort of... The scenes...

where Megan Fox wants to fly and she's on a roof or she's on a cliff and it's so CGI'd out. It's like the room Tommy Wiseau level CGI where it's... Well, that's what you... When you said it came out in 2011, that blew my mind only because this movie looks like it was shot in the late 90s, early 2000s. Oh, I mean, it definitely was shot with... Yeah, I mean, this is, to me, like...

dad fanfic. It's like, you know, like a dad who's like, I love mystery novels and I love noir and I could write a movie. Like, it feels like... But it's that dad if he also was given access to like three Vim Vendors movies. You know, like he also thinks like, and you know, kind of...

You know, enigmatic editing and like music montage moments. Like there's a weird European cinema element to this that is unsuccessful. Yeah. Well, okay. So just to start with the title. Passion Punch.

Now, is this a passion play? Well, I was going to Google it before we started. And I was because the passion play is normally related to like religion, right? It's like that, like a dramatic representation leading up to including the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now,

where this movie falls apart is he dies and he's dead. I don't know. Cause he's flying through the air with an angel, but I think he's dead though. Right? I mean, I guess like, yes, no, I agree with you. I agree with you that this is a Jacob's ladder scenario when he's flying with the angel, he sees his own dead body in the desert where we left him at the beginning of the movie.

Where he gets taken at the beginning of the movie. Uh-oh. Oh, no. Oh, wait. June. Wait, wait, wait. I'm going to mute. I'm just going to mute while June talks. Well, I didn't have my glasses on. So I'll start there. But I thought when he was flying over the desert that we were looking at the body of that henchman.

Okay, that makes sense. But it wasn't. It was his body. Well, you could tell by all the chains and leather jackets and hats. I couldn't see those details. Did you not notice the three-piece suit over a tank top? I just saw a body and I was like, oh, that's interesting. He's flying by. And I did think to myself, oh, I guess we're just seeing some of the sights we saw earlier. Well, we are. We are.

But it wasn't the henchman. It was his own body. So this is a Jacob Slatter scenario. It's truly a Jacob Slatter scenario. There is no doubt in my mind. Now, here's something that I will just bring up.

That scene that you talk about, because we are starting at the end, when she's flying away with Mickey Rourke, who seems to be, even from bird standards, be too heavy. It would be too much for Megan Fox's body to be... Absolutely. Let me ask you guys a question about that specifically, because...

Megan Fox has wings in this. We find her initially in a carnival setting, in a sideshow kind of setting. And people pay money to see the woman with angel wings. But then they keep clarifying that they're bird wings. Right. Why? Why keep doing that? Doesn't the movie work if she is an angel? True.

trying to pull these pull mickey rourke out of hell or whatever is that what this is the obviously i think that's what it is saying but then why keep perpetuating the narrative that she's a bird woman great question well i would also argue that i've seen movies like michael the john travolta film where he is an angel and he also sprouts wings uh or he has a broken wing or whatever and um

those angel wings are very white and, you know, it's very, you know, pristine. She definitely has bird wings. Like, the coloring is of a bird. So just to be clear, you are team bird woman. Here's what I'm going to say. I am team angel.

it should be an angel, but someone made the choice that we're really leaning into bird when the digital asset we have for wings is darker color. I think there was a lot going on because first of all, to go back to Paul's point about Mickey work being way too heavy because he's a dense man, you know,

dense head dense hair dense body he's dense in every way so her wings in order to to fly holding him they had to be at least double the size that they were right oh yeah just the width the width of them that the scope of them so even her arm strength june absolutely no absolutely absolutely

Somebody, a physicist, can comment. He's also falling. Yes. So she's fighting not just his own weight to lift him, but to lift him against the gravitational pull. But I think what happened, because I thought a lot about the wings, Jason, and the bird wings and why they looked like bird feathers.

Also why at points they seem to be able to remove them. But put that over there for a second. Well, they kind of like fold back up, but we never see them fold back up because it clearly didn't have the budget. Well, that's the thing. I think they were like if they are real angel wings because angel wings should be the size of her whole body. Sure. They should go down to the ground and they should be white.

And she should have a big wingspan. But I think they were just got lost in the sauce with like, oh, we need to be able to put them under a coat or a dress if they're always here. But June, that would mean that they're very small. Like they're in between. Again, they are in between being very big and.

And also not very small. They're not like tiny. I think what they were working against was the desire to have her wear almost nothing at all times while simultaneously letting us still believe she...

she has full-size wings attached to her back. And so I think they can't really reconcile those two things. They want her to be next to naked all the time, but they also want her wings to be able to be hidden by her tiny dress, which it can't be. Well, here's...

But that shot, I thought she actually took off her wings when she went, oh, they just were folding into themselves. I feel like she was just expressing the pain of these dang wings. I mean, I do appreciate that when she goes to sleep, she has to sleep on her stomach. But here's the interesting thing, though. Because...

She does. There's a lot of there's a lot of discussion when we first meet her about her lower back pain, about just what it is to be a woman with wings. And it's sort of I mean, it's a metaphor for big boobs, right? Right. Sure. But it's like you could get a wing reduction. It seems like she did get a wing reduction. She did get a consult. But I just it almost almost seems like she's.

that was not supposed to have these wings as opposed to a species, an angel, a someone who there've been creatures like her that came before her that this is something she procreated from. It seems like Megan Fox, the character, her character, someone put these wings on her human body and she's got to deal with them. Right.

Okay, who? I don't know. That guy. That guy who found her is very possessive. The... Reese Fonz. Oh, that's Reese Fonz. The roommate from Notting Hill. Always great to see. Incredible actor. Always great. Always great. By the way, cast in this movie...

A hundred percent. Like everyone's hitting it out of the park. I love this cast. This cast is everybody. We is a home run hitter. It's like Rory Cochran is the person who buys his trumpet from him in the diner. Like I was like, what's going on? And here's what I'll say to it. I have no issue.

with the acting. This director and writer, Mitch Glazer, you know, has been wanting to make this movie for a very long time. He's married to Kelly Lynch. This was his love story. This is how he felt that he fell in love with Kelly Lynch. When he originally wrote it, they were like, make it more like Splash. He's like, how dare you? That's not what I wanted to do. It was about the 50s. And he held on to it. And then when Mickey Rourke was in trouble...

He was like, I want to bring him back and I want to bring him back in a way where he's not a thug. I want to bring him back to the Pope of Greenwich Village, like this, this guy from diner. So like, this is like, this is a passion project for the director, but I will say that's what it also feels like. It feels like there was very little deviation from anything. And there's a lot of stuff that makes sense.

No sense. It feels like there's a lot of like creative editing to make sense of this because there's also quite a lot of like continuity problems. Huge. Like they go into a building at night and come out in the day. There's a lot of day for night stuff. There's a lot of like he goes to bed shirtless, wakes up in a full Long John's. Yes. Long John's. He's nude when he goes to bed.

It's lumpy. The movie is lumpy, but it's like really interesting. I was fascinated to watch it. But what is interesting now to really think about, because I just finished it before we got on, is none of this is real, right? Like all of the movie, Megan Fox entirely having wings, the winged woman, the angel, all this stuff are the creation of Mickey Rourke's character. Mm-hmm.

In his own head while he dies in the desert, right? Well, I'm just learning this now, so I'm really having to kind of reroute over here. And that makes sense as to why the movie is so bad is because he's just not smart enough, that character. Well, this is the thing. It's hard to critique a movie that is the vision of an idiot. Of a character. It's hard to criticize a movie when it's the vision of one of its main characters. Who is an idiot. Yeah.

And also, where are they? Where are they? I mean, it is Las Vegas. Are they in Albuquerque? He finds her in the desert at a carnival and he says, your English is so good. Okay.

And she says she learned from watching TV. So she is in, I believe, I believe they are in Mexico there. Where? And what? We're meant to believe that she is a native Spanish speaker? Oh, she's Mexicana. Yes. Well, let's, let's, let's go back to why he might have an issue with his, because when he dies,

He is saved by, and again, we don't see the faces, but a handful of Native Americans who are... Are they Native Americans? I don't know. All dressed in white. I am so upset that we did not get any payoff of that.

What's interesting is the movie offers you no answers to any questions. We don't. And now that we understand that it's a Jacob's letter scenario, that's why, because there are no answers because there is no story because this whole thing is a dream. And so the logic of it and the editing and the kind of like,

weird way that it's kind of a tone poem or whatever is just the dream element of it. But boy, does it make for a frustrating watch when you're like, who are those guys? When's that guy coming back? What's the what's on offer here? What I also like, I would love someone to to count the number of lines Megan Fox has in this movie.

I would say it's on. So few. Yeah, you could count it on two hands. So few. And many of them are the same line. Many of them are versions of the same sentiment. And she's always, and I know. As long as I'm with you, you can't hurt him. The deal was that I'm with you. And so he's not a finger on him. That's the deal. Okay. I felt like all I know about Megan Fox's character is she's

her character has some severe daddy issues. I feel like... What? No. Well, she was found in a garbage. In a garbage. That's what he says. That he found her in the garbage.

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Jazz burlesque. Well, it's interesting because it is a burlesque kind of, you know, strip club kind of environment. Right. And Mickey Rourke and his like, I'm going to say six piece jazz band are on stage. Right. Right. Mickey Rourke is a trumpet player of note.

He's famous enough that he has made albums, although we don't know. Solo albums. Solo albums. None of this is, again, none of this is real. No, no, no. This is real, right? No, that part is real, Jason. Oh, no, no. This is, no, no, no. We don't know. The part where they're playing in the strip club is real. The album is in Megan Fox's collection, so it's fake. Oh, you're right, because the album...

He's already dead. So, I mean, who cares what's real and what's fake? The movie is so poor. It does such a poor job. Like, if we rewatched it right now, it's not going to be like rewatching The Sixth Sense after you find out the reveal. I'm going to believe that he released an album, but because he was addicted to heroin, his career went downhill. I'd also argue it's because he smokes and plays the horn at the same time. This guy...

I don't... Look, and Jason, I think you're more... You're probably the most astute of us in this. Is that a thing? Are people smoking and playing a horned instrument at the same time? Yep. All right. Oh, yeah. That's a very, like, Miles Davis. That's a very, like, 40s jazz club vibe. The other thing is...

What I loved is this is what I watched when I watched it. I started it last night and I was like, oh, this is going to be wild. Is the it's it's this big jazz band on a stage and the dancer is dancing with like feather things and it's a whole situation. But the music that's playing isn't the music of the jazz band. Nope. It's slow, plaintive piano and cello music.

But the visual is this up-tempo jazz band playing. So I'm like, what the, the disconnect between those two things is immediately jarring. And it's so bizarre that he seemed like, and look, what is his crime? You know, he's a recovering junkie, but he sleeps with, and we don't know what's his character yet, but he sleeps with Happy's wife. Happy is Bill Murray. And so Bill Murray has put a hit out on him. And the way the movie starts is we're following this, this mook,

This guy is going to kill him. And that's the way that we see it. But I also don't know enough about this world. I'm not invested in anything before he gets killed at all. It's so hard because we're on this journey with him. And by the way, alive or dead, we're on this journey with him. We have to be. We're locked in. We can't help but to be. We have to do a podcast about it. And so we're on this journey. And I'm like, I hate this man.

I hate him. He smells. You know that he smells. I hate who he is. I hate that he's peering at her through the window. I hate that he won't stop looking at her through the panes of glass. So much creeping. I hate everything. I hate that he won't let her get those wings chopped off. Yeah. Well, first of all, I do want to talk about when she goes to the plastic surgeon to get those wings chopped off. It seems like they're doing it.

Like he's like, oh yeah, yeah. I'll do surgery today. You came in for a consultation. I'll knock these off right away. And when he runs into that room, I saw it and I started laughing so hard, which is the, there's just a computer printout on white paper that says operating room. Like it's this taped to the door. I also loved the,

that he comes in and the doctor is in the consult with Megan Fox's character, Lily. Lily Luster. Lily Luster. And he's holding up one of her wings and looking at it so, like...

So quizzically? But you have to understand, like, the actor is just holding nothing. So it's such a funny disconnect. And he goes, hey, you ever say a word about this? He's threatening him. I'm going to find out where you live and burn down your house. It's like, this woman is performing all around the country in a carnival. Like, she's known. It's not like she's a secret. That's the thing I hate about him the most. Like, why take her out? She was...

She was living, I think, the best version of her life as a car. Yeah. Yeah. I think she I think things did not get better from there. I think she was living in a tiny hotel room with him and it was disgusting and he barely had two dollars to rub together.

Then she goes to live with Bill Murray. By the way, that hotel room was so low class, but so high class. Like the the owner of the motel is like, OK, so here's a twin bed and here's an open door. I was like, I've never been escorted into a room at a motel and shown around. Well, the guy also knew his name.

The guy also knew Mickey Rourke's name. So I'm like, is this where Mickey Rourke lives? I wanted her to stay in that awesome Airstream and just live out her life doing a couple hours a night behind the glass. And she wasn't getting, she wasn't nude, right? Like she wasn't, she wasn't like a stripper, but,

She was just like... An oddity. She was just something to be seen. A sideshow. Yeah, I think she was just like, yes, the bearded woman or any of the other kind of sideshow performers that were featured. The funniest thing, though, is like, yes, she's in very little for much of the movie, but when they first, when he first gets her out of there and she leaves the trailer and, you know, saves him, the first time she saves him and they drive away, she's wearing such, like, corporate casual...

Like, she is dressed as, like, a corporate junior executive. Very smartly. I would love it if that's where this went. That she just immediately gets a job in middle management in, like, an office park. Like, and then she's like, okay, I can reverse your mortgage. Hold on one second. Her wing just pops up. Like, I mean...

Well, we don't know where are we? Are we in New Mexico or where are we? Where are we? Arizona. I wrote 30 minutes in and it genuinely feels like the movie hasn't started. No, the movie feels like it never really goes too many places because his immediate thought is, I am enamored with this woman. I need to meet her. I need to follow her.

And you feel like he's in love with her. And then the next scene is like, let me sell her. Let me sell her to this gangster for a million dollars. Yeah. And I loved that scene though. The scene, the scene where,

Mickey Rourke and Megan Fox are off standing on the sitting on the top of the car or whatever. And then there's the music venue. And Bill Murray and his right hand man sit in the empty seats of a giant music venue watching Solomon Burke, a legitimate legend.

watching Solomon Burke do a sound check, which is easily the best part of the movie. And then the doors to the back of the venue open completely and we get a perfect view of Megan Fox like a mile away who just says to Mickey Rourke, do you want to see my wings? Well, the best part too is before that, a woman came up to, a woman came up, she was a young lady.

Also dressed in corporate casual. Also looks like she is a manager, you know, of a small team in corporate America and gives them a note. And then she wrote, I mean, it was just so bizarre. And she says she did it for $20. I'm like, honey, you get a paycheck every two weeks. It's probably direct deposit. Yeah. You can complain about this on Slack. I will say also, I love...

there's no such thing really as a bad Bill Murray performance. And I actually love how oddly restrained he is. Like, it reminds me a little bit of like Mad Dog and Glory, a movie that I really enjoyed from back in the day. It's like, but like, he's playing this gangster, this tough guy, but he's really low key, but then has these moments where he does like, get the fuck out of here. Like that, he pushes her out of the way. And he, you get, I don't know. I love him in this.

I'll tell you this. He was a replacement because one actor started shooting the movie for three days. And the director said, yeah, he just was too nervous to be acting with Mickey Rourke. So he's like, you know what? I can't handle this anymore. I got to leave. And then Bill Murray called up the director and writer on Christmas Day. And Mitch is like, hey, man, can you help me out? And Bill Murray read the script on Christmas Day and said, I'm in. And Bill Murray just stepped in to be...

That's so weird because he's such a, you know, especially in this era is when Bill Murray still has that kind of mystique. Yes. It's impossible to reach him. He's so picky and choosy. He only does the things he wants to do and they're really high value for him or whatever. So the fact that he's in this, I'm just like, this is a head scratcher. I understand what Mickey Rourke is doing here. Wait, is this before or after the wrestling? After. It's after. After.

Yes. After the wrestler. Wow. Yes. Because he felt that Mickey Rourke was being put into too many roles where he was, uh, Jessica meathead, a long cat, a Bob bruiser. Um, and here's the thing. Uh,

this guy wrote as one of the writers of Scrooged. So I think Bill Murray has a relationship with them and they have their friendship. So that, that's what I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like I do, I just want to see more happy. I love, I mean, even when, when happy is sitting, watching her like put on makeup or like, and tells that monologue about why he's happy because he was so sad as a kid. I'm like,

I'm in, I'm into this, whatever this is. He doesn't, he can't hit a wrong note. He just, every choice he makes is, is interesting. Yeah.

When he takes Megan Fox away from Mickey Rourke and is like, okay, she's going to come with me and you get out of here. I genuinely was like, I hope we follow Bill Murray and Megan Fox. And when Mickey Rourke breaks into the house and finds them like watching old black and white movies in the projection room, I was like, let's let her stay here. And she seems quite comfortable there. They seem like they're having a nice time. One of my favorite lines in this movie is,

Aside from, do you want to see my wings? Was right before that, she fucking slams Mickey Rourke where she says to him, she's asking him about his career and you know what happened. And then she goes, you were handsome. What happened? What happened? So hard. I mean, I had some laughs. My favorite like dialogue moment is we have just watched the first 20, 30 minutes of the film. And then it's,

Mickey Rourke gets on the phone with Kelly Lynch and she just says, describes the plot verbatim back to him. Wait a second. So you're telling me you went out to a desert. You got shot. You got saved by some Native Americans and then you went to a carnival. You met a girl and then you got, then you got in a truck and you drove to this place. I was like,

Whoa. Why are we doing this? We just saw it. I loved her character, though. I love that we met her tanning up there in that bathing suit. That must have been terrible for tan lines. And winter boots. And winter boots that came up mid-calf. What an unbelievable. I was like, what a strange tan line that's going to be. That tan line and then also the bathing suit, which had just like mesh cutouts everywhere.

And the contraption she had built up there on that roof. I like that contraption. Me too. My question was, did you think her laying out on the roof was a very Jack McBrayer thing?

Her being out on the roof, this is a real question. Do you feel like that was somehow an homage to her in Roadhouse? Where they laid out on the roof in Roadhouse? This is not a real question. But I was like, oh, I wonder if they're trying to do a thing here. One of the things that I loved was...

There's this moment where, early, when Mickey Rourke and Megan Fox escape the carnival, and they're out in the desert at a gas station or something. I can't remember what. But she's off to the side, and she's letting her wings out, and she's kind of catching a draft. Oh, I know what you're...

Right. And it's this moment. It's all green screen, but she's kind of catching a draft and blah, blah, blah. And there's a little kid wandering around with a camera and taking pictures. And Mickey Rourke is like, hey, let me let me borrow that camera for a second. He takes a picture of Megan Fox and then half an hour later, Mickey Rourke is in a dark room.

He's in a physical dark room developing that one picture. So he either stole that. And smoking, by the way, around a lot of liquid chemicals. Yes. He either stole that kid's camera or the film. I don't know which, but it is crazy that he's in a dark. How does he have access to a dark room? And it's in 2011 where it's like very easy to print a picture quickly.

Like it's not. Yeah. Yeah. Go to a CVS or a Rite Aid. I mean, the crazy thing is, I think he must have. I think he must have stolen the film. I think he took the camera. He's not finding that kid. This fucking guy. This way. Well, right after that, we have to watch a sex scene between the two of them. That was so fucking unacceptable. Holy shit. I want to. I want to get into the sex scene. I just want to say one thing about that photo. When he does take the photo of her.

She goes, if you like it, you'll delete it. Like, it's like, what? Where is this going? This is not like, like, she doesn't know the plan. Like, and she's like, just if you don't, if I don't like it, like, I'm like, and meanwhile, it's like, oh, she doesn't want people to see her, but yet she's in a carnival. But then she's also literally, there are six foot tall posters of her at the carnival. So it's like, what? Yeah.

She just wanted photo approval. What's happening? Okay, but yes, let's... I just wanted to talk about... And then, yes, let's talk about the sex scene between a 23-year-old and a 57-year-old man. This actually enraged me. This was chilly. I was like, I'm protesting. I want... This is...

This is not okay. Yeah. No, this ain't okay. And by the way, it's like I feel bad for her because I feel like everybody is like, I feel it's a bunch of older dudes who are just like, oh God, she's so hot. She's so hot. Like it just feels like, and she's got to do all this kissing up on everybody. It's like, oh. It was so unacceptable.

Oh, there's so, yeah, there's too much. And big open mouth kiss. Big, like big enveloping hands and kisses. I know. It's like the only thing I wanted for, cause I knew it was coming. And I was like, all I want to see is like her head sort of turned to the side, you know, a tight shot. And then his head kind of facing forward around her neck and just like humping her that I could accept. Yeah.

Like, okay, you don't have to look at him. Just lay there like a dead rat. I wanted the wings to cover everything. I wanted the wings to be up and just see. And a little movement. By the way, that would have been awesome. What we had to witness. What we had to see. And I'm sorry. This literally made me want to leave the room.

I'm sorry. I wanted to leave the industry of film and television because I'm just like, show me an old, wrinkly, saggy woman who gets to be on screen fucking a hot 23-year-old man. Like, please. This is not acceptable. I mean, I don't know why it grossed me out so much, but they kind of show her plumage flying off.

because of the fucking, like, one feather just, like, flies off, like, Forrest Gump style. And it oddly... Are you kidding? I fucked the feathers right off of her. And it lands in the front stoop of the hotel. I'm like, what? And the hotel owner finds it. Hey, good job. Multiple people find single feathers and look at them, like, contemplatively. Like, huh. What must this be? It's a bird feather, asshole. Keep walking.

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What's his redemption? I mean, if this is like his redemption, right? Like we know that happy Bill Murray is a bad guy. Not only does, um, well, his wife cheats on him with Mickey work and he has her care. That's what we understand. Poor woman. We never meet her. Right. Never meet her. And so she's killed. And so the only thing that we know that's bad about Mickey Rourke is that he had an affair, which is not like,

Okay, I don't see we need this redemption arc for him. Well, don't forget about what happened with him and Annie Poole. What happened with him and Annie Poole? Oh, Paul. Annie Poole. The story he tells her? Oh, I forgot about the story. He made an Annie Poole. That was the love of his life. I think this was like a post-coital scene between the two of them. And he...

So you might have fast forwarded through it. I was doing a lot of 10 seconds ahead. And yeah, Annie Poole was the love of his life and she was totally clean, but she just wanted, she was perfect. And he was deeply in love with her. But in order for her to spend time with him, she had to start getting high. And then that killed her.

Well, that, by the way, I'm glad that they revealed this ending that was a setup because when he meets that girl, the tattooed girl in the bar. Loved her tattoos. Loved her tattoos. Obsessed. What a reveal. Great, great reveal. Actually went and rewound that scene. That's the best part of the movie. I'm sorry. And, and,

And she's like, let's get you all warmed up. Let's get you warmed up. And she, like, shoots heroin into him. I wish that had been at the beginning. I wish that scene had been at the beginning of the movie because then I would understand why and how this guy has fallen to this level. It's also an interesting way to be like, oh, this all doesn't make sense because it's a hazy dream. Again...

I don't know if anyone can answer this, but I don't know that heroin is like a fuck drug. Is it like because you say, oh, let's get you warmed up. Like, I would imagine you do heroin. You're not like you're not really in the mood to have sex. Well, because it's better than having sex. Like people prefer it. So I think I don't I think he was just like he didn't want to do the heroin. He didn't really have a choice. He couldn't really say no.

Well, but she kept on saying, let's get you warmed up. Let's get you warmed up. As if it was like, this is like the, the first step of a night. I see what you're saying. I think, I think maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'm, I'm doing work for the movie here, but there's a, there's a world in which, uh,

It is not a sex scene. It is a heroin scene. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, it's not about them fucking. It's about them. It's about almost sexualizing. The act that is being consummated is shooting up. Can I just say one thing, Paul? Yeah.

I couldn't understand why he's being presented to us that the movie is presenting him as like this crazy ladies man that every woman wants to fuck. Yeah. Until we saw the scene of him in the bar and watched him make that lemon move. Flirting. And turn into a little creature. With the red napkin over it. I, first of all, didn't, I'm like, oh, he's going to make the lemon disappear. I'm like, or like what, what?

what is happening here? Like, I don't... I... And she... Well, I guess we'll find out later that she was duping him, but she did seem into it. Now, do you think that that was written in the script or was that...

All day long. That is a Mickey Rourke special because he is getting drunk at a bar. And normally you're in front of peanuts. He's in front of a bunch of lemons as if he's making his own shots and cutting his own juice. Because he's like, I know how to impress a girl. I feel like this is a lot of Mickey Rourke's own moves. For those of you listening who haven't seen the movie, he takes a lemon.

He puts it on the bar and then he takes a red napkin, unfolds it so it's kind of a very big square. He puts the napkin over the lemon, sort of puts his hand underneath behind and then rolls the lemon so it sort of looks like a little...

creature moving across the bar. And that alone wins him the hand of the beautiful tattooed woman. Like, she is so charmed by this. I just want to say one more thing, June. The way that you described it there is...

is 10 times more impressive than what it looks like on film. It looks as if like, he's like, oh, can we do it again? Because I didn't get it. I didn't get that. I didn't get what I wanted. He doesn't get it in the take they used. He messes up and then has to restart. That's the best footage they had of this parlor trip. And I feel like if they did that, the director was like, hey, let's do one more, but let's maybe not do the napkin thing. And he was like, no, no, you got it.

Let's move on. Well, this is, by the way, this is the way that I feel like this movie was run a little bit. This director and writer felt like he really wanted to give Mickey Rourke like this amazing role. Mickey Rourke has come out and said so much negative stuff about this movie. Wow. That is hilarious. But this is the one thing where it feels like he just bullied his way through most scenes because...

uh this is a story that both men agree to that mickey kept on saying you know uh kelly should uh be a stripper in the movie and the director's like no no no she's just uh this is his wife by the way he's not she's just a bar the director's wife director no she's just a bartender mickey's like yeah but like a bartender stripper and he's like no just a bartender and then he's like she should take her clothes off in the movie and

And the director's like, all right, yeah, we'll let her take a close-up of the movie. We'll let her. Like, it was like he just bullied this director to make his wife scantily clad. She's not naked, but scantily clad. I know I've told this story before, but I feel like it makes sense in this context.

I heard Aronofsky interviewed about the wrestler who was saying so much of his job every day was to somehow intercede with Mickey Rourke's attempts to constantly have sunglasses or eyeglasses on his head. Sunglasses specifically, so that Aronofsky would have them check Rourke's wardrobe because he would hide sunglasses in his wardrobe and then pull them out in the middle of scenes and put them on, which would ruin the take.

And he, cause we need to be able to see your eyes and he'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. My guy's hiding. My guy's hiding, you know? And it's like, but it is this bull in. So left unchecked, you get this, this is what, yeah. You know? Yeah. And, and then you also get this thing where he's wearing that coat and that coat has become the biggest prop. Like he's wearing like an overcoat over like a leather coat over like a, a, a, you know, like a, a, a little, uh, underwear shirt. And, um, and, and,

And when he's talking to Megan Fox outside that trailer, he's like, just pulling, pulling the coat together. So cold. It's so cold. He's always so cold, but then other times he's not cold at all, but a lot of work, a lot of, a lot of,

Coat work, hat work. All externals. Yes. Mickey Rourke loves externals. That's why when he's naked, it felt so crazy to me. I was like, put stuff. I need stuff back on you. Yeah. More. Put some more chains on. Please. It's really interesting because it's like you forget unless you... Modern Mickey Rourke is really doing a lot of work to erase...

an incredible early career. Like he was one of the next generation talents in that, in what you were saying, Paul, that Pope of Greenwich Village era of, of Mickey Rourke. And he's this electric, compelling, like such, such a, such a hyper kinetic performer. And now it is so bizarre to watch, frankly. It's, I, I, I,

I'm obsessed with him as an actor because so much of what it is now seems like artifice and something that's not quite there. But in the scene where he sells his trumpet to Rory Cochran, it's a silent scene, just music. He legitimately broke my heart.

When he is plaintively, clearly, like not wanting to let go of this instrument. I thought that was an incredible, like, I don't know, 20 seconds of performance. Oh, I was so happy. I was like, yeah, you motherfucker. Like, you don't get the thing you love. Like, I couldn't. Jason, I was so thrilled. Yeah. But he keeps the spit valve. Like, he keeps the little or the.

No, he keeps the mouthpiece. And then for the rest of the movie, he's like sucking on it like it's always in his mouth. Just like a toothpick. And he does also have a toothpick in the movie as well. What's happening in the laundromat when he meets his friend who's shoeless? Oh, yeah. I thought. Footloose and fancy free. What was that? I was like, is that what footloose and fancy free is? That you don't wear...

shoot he's rich i thought he was washing his socks okay and is this the laundromat where all the jazz musicians go is this like the jazz laundry they gotta do their laundry somewhere jazz laundry jazz laundry is a small place that i opened uh

This is the kind of movie that when there is action, like there's a certain point, Mickey Rourke gets beaten down. Yeah. Right. The bad guy's right hand man gives him a beat down, but we don't watch it. We watch one punch and then we listen to the rest of it as the camera drifts over and just films a newspaper being blown in the wind. That is Mickey Rourke being like, it's the Vin Diesel, the rock thing. It's like, yes, you're not going to, I can't be beaten up. Yes. Yep. Yep.

Because, you know, you know, Mickey Rourke until recently, like well into his 60s, was like training and boxing in like boxing matches in Russia or something or something like that. Like he was doing like boxing, like internationally training and like doing heavy boxing. I thought if I made up.

like post all the surgery that that ended, but I guess not. In, in, in, in 2014. Okay. At the age of 62, three years after this movie, he was boxing in Russia and he defeated, uh, Elliot Seymour in Moscow. Uh, like, so he, yeah, he was going long after this movie.

What a character. What an absolute weird character. I mean, I guess he started like I'm looking at his IMDb. He was boxing at a young age at 12 years old. He was a flyweight. And then he won the Golden Gloves in 71, the Florida Golden Gloves. And and so that was like his that was his start of his career. And he was trained by. Oh, this is great. Hell's Angel.

Chuck Zito. Oh, Chuck Zito. Yeah. And Freddie Roach also trained him. Wow. Wow. And that's like the big reason why he's had so much plastic surgery is because he, his face got so fucked up in these fights. Huh? Oh, geez. I'm looking, this is really a wild, like his, his IMDB is wild. Yeah. That's fine. I mean, but he's still kicking around. He, I mean, like, like that's the other thing too. It's like,

I think he's still acting as if he was from the 80s. Like, he's still got that, like, I'm the hottest guy. People are still giving him roles that have the gravitas of a star from the 80s. Yeah, it's just... This movie is a...

He is Jesus Christ in the movie. He's a Christ-like character in this movie. Except the problem is... Wow. Yeah, except the problem is he sells... He's trying to sell this woman off into prostitution slash indentured servitude. Like, that's who... That's who this movie is about. Yes. Dream or no dream. Like, if this is his best case scenario... If this is his Jacob's Ladder scenario, it's like, well...

How are we supposed to root for this character in any way when that was...

his plan in no uncertain terms. Yeah. Well, his plan first, his plan first actually was to split the profits. Sixty sixty five thirty. Yeah, right. He won. Yeah, he wanted in on the deal and the end game. And I agree that it looks like she's living a pretty good life with Bill Murray. They're watching movies. She seems not happy, but not

She seems happier, I think. Actually, no, I still maintain that she was happiest in the Airstream. I maintain that this is a character that these creators are not interested in investigating or revealing even remotely. She is...

a like a muse kind of character. We're not she is given we're not given any access and nor is anybody curious to her interiority. Right. She is just beautiful. Let me pitch this version of it. Happy was married to Megan Fox. He had an affair with her. Happy kills her and then goes to kill Mickey Rourke. And then Mickey Rourke has this dream of like kind of

redeeming that... I mean, I guess maybe he's redeeming the death of his... Annie Poole. But I feel like that's the thing. It's like, because Bill Murray brings her to a museum or they're having a museum event. What's that museum event? There's like, it's an angel theme, but then later on in the movie, like it seems like a day or two later, it's revealed that Bill Murray also has a private club where rich guys go to look at...

A non-naked Megan Fox. Just a, like Venus DeMilo just covering her. Yeah, just an oddity. So she is again an oddity where Bill Murray sits in the upper balc. Balcony monster. A true balcony monster. Watching this.

I mean, what in the world? Well, one of my favorite moments of the museum scene is when Bill Murray is being interviewed because there is some roaming press at the party. And the woman says to him, well, so and my next question, what's going on with the two federal indictments? Yeah.

Tampering with ethics. Like, racketeering, and then she details what they are. But, by the way, this is a thought I had, and I...

I just was looking at Bill Murray and I was like, do you think this is Bill Murray doing Kevin Spacey? Because there was something about the way that he was acting that reminded me of Kevin Spacey. Like, I don't, maybe it was the hair or the glasses. The hair was, the hair piece was very... Spacey. Fake, you know, seeming. I just looked at that. And then the other thing that jumped out at me was when she's in her trailer, living her good life in that Airstream, she goes to get him like gin.

Just two people just drinking straight gin. Disgusting. Warm. He describes it as warm gin. Disgusting. And she grabs the bottle and the title on the bottle is Gordon Shumway. And I was like, Gordon Shumway, what? That's Alf. And that's what I, yeah. And that was Alf's name on Melmac. Oh. And I don't know if that's a set designer. Kudos to you. Gordon Shumway gin.

my God, that was great. This, this movie was true nonsense to watch. It really, it doesn't add up. It's, it's, it's one of those movies that because there's so, because it's a, now we know a dream, like, um, P,

piece of like fictional storytelling inside the protagonist's brain, it makes sense that it makes no sense. And it feels dreamlike. But that's a fucking cheat. It makes me angry. It's a cheat. It's like, but it is. I agree. Oh, I agree. When you learn, it makes no sense until the best version of these movies makes sense. And then the reveal makes them make a different kind of sense. This movie makes no sense. Then it kind of makes sense, but is makes it worse. It just kind of says, it's,

All your issues, don't worry about them because it didn't make a difference anyway. Yeah. I'll tell you, obviously, we had opinions about this movie. There are people out there that had a different opinion, but not many. It is now time for Second Opinions. The movie was a piece of shit Yet this person recommends it Tell me what is the message That art is subjective I need a second opinion

All right, so a lot of people don't even know this movie existed, and probably because it was... I didn't. Yeah, it was only released in two theaters. It had its premiere at the Toronto Film Festival. Wow. Two great...

consternation i don't know like people were not happy with this movie uh the director apparently re-edited it and he goes this is actually the movie i wanted to make uh but it still didn't really it it really was uh he re-edited into this yeah i mean yes this is the this is the thing um and you know and i think that like uh some of the reviews include things like it's perversely eccentric

and inert. Hard to take itself as seriously as the movie does. But there are people out there who liked it. There are 200 reviews. 50% are five-star reviews. And each one of them feel oddly the same way. They are telling me things, but not showing me the words. You'll see. Craig, in 2014, wrote, this film, Passion Play, is different.

You could call it something like a film noir if you're into that terminology, but it doesn't just fit into those boxes. It goes beyond them. You have a big gamut of human experience, hopelessness, hope, unfeeling, caring, disrespect for others, heating others, and what they ask for, love, friendship,

Fear, bravery, freedom, dependence, escape, capture, happiness, despair. The emotional interdependence of these three main characters, Rourke's desperate musician, Fox's captive bird woman, and Murray's implacable terror.

What? Wow.

I mean, to have had that experience watching this. Hey, pretty. I mean, wow. I am realizing I just saw that the tagline is love is stronger than death. And I am now I'm going back to what you're saying, Paul, about about Megan Fox, about Lily Luster standing. And maybe she is. Maybe Lily Luster is Annie Poole.

Because the other thing that I wanted to mention is when the Annie Poole story is coming out, Megan Fox is crying. Well, it's a sad story. He is telling her about how he killed his true love. I guess. I think the question you're trying to ask is, in the movie's logic, is he working out the Annie Poole death regret thing?

inside of now his dying, is he trying to kind of exorcise or redeem his own mind by saving someone, by offsetting this thing that he thinks he did. But he also, like, he saves somebody, puts them in danger, saves them again. Like, it's like he's responsible for... I mean, I guess at the end she's free, so it all works out. But I am still...

I don't know. Well, they fly off together to heaven. They appear to fly to heaven together because that's the resurrection. Yes. So that, so I think, I think they definitely fly off together to heaven. And I guess because knowing she's that Annie pool's already dead, she's dead too. That, that maybe any pool is in, in this Jacob Satterson errors is an angel and

And yeah, that this whole thing is sort of reconciling his part. Yeah. He's trying to make thing, make something right. You know, I did wrong in my past. Now's my chance to do something right. Even though I'm going to do something wrong before I do the right thing. It doesn't matter too late. You died already. And none of these people are real. This is just your mind trying to convince you you're a good person as you die.

Now, John Knight also gave it five stars. Also in 2014 says, an impressive list of movie heavyweights carry through a singular tale that could or could not be real. The movie moves through the underbelly of America and a broad span of the human condition. Is it America? Yeah, I mean...

emotions, nice music with a brief appearance by U.S. legends, Salman Burke and tunes from legendary Alan Toussaint and Aaron Neville, clip joints, indigenous Americans, freaks, cheap motels, big horizons and long roads, shining night skies wrap around the story of desired jealousy, owning, sharing, tricking and taking one's chance. Gangsters, classy dames, tortured artists, all weave into the careful tracing of feelings.

and life's challenges. An impressive list of movie heavyweights. Five stars.

I mean, people are reading a lot into it. Meanwhile, Alejandro just says, I like this movie a lot because it has drama and action. It's a great movie to watch. It has good stars, too. Five stars. I recommend this to a friend to buy. They're going to like it, too. Hey, if you've got at least two Murray brothers in your movie, I'm going to five stars it. And Brian Delmar is great. He's always great. Got back on Friday. It is Friday. Yeah. In a completely black space. This is a black space.

They're not in a location. They're not on a set. It is a black voice. They have a soundstage. This movie had a soundstage with a green screen. They shot a majority of the stuff there.

low, this is a low budge thing all across. I mean, wow, wow, wow. And as Mickey Rourke said about this film, it's a terrible movie, but you know, in your career and all the movies you make, you're going to make a dozen of terrible ones. Uh, it's going to get not wide release because it's not very good. And this was made by his good friend of 15 years. So really, uh,

It really is. I can't. If you are listening to this and you haven't watched the movie, I'm not saying watch the movie. I mean, go ahead and watch the movie. It's absolutely bananas. But check it out a little bit because I mean it when I say this movie feels like it's from a different time.

Yeah. It feels like an indie movie from the 90s or even the 80s at times. It felt to me like, and I don't mean this in the sexual way, but like a Cinemax movie where it's like, it really is just like Red Shoe Diaries-esque. It's very slow. It's like we're just watching a person walk down a street for...

a long time. Oh yeah. I had it. I had in my calendar passion play and then in parentheses 2010. And so I kept on as a mod in the movie, I kept on freaking out. Like if this can't be, this can't be right. This was the movie I'm looking for was made in 2010. This isn't, this couldn't possibly be it. I,

I felt the same June so much so that I looked it up to see, oh, was it shot in the 90s, shelved, and it was only released in 2000? Like, it made so little sense to me. Paul, like, will you tell us what are like movies that came out in 2000? That's a great question. All right. So 2010. Yeah, like Barbie? What? I mean. Avatar? Avatar?

Yeah, the big movies of 2010, looking at it right here, are, let's see, 127 Hours, Inception, The Town. This came out the same year as Inception. This is, you know, the other guys, MacGruber, you know, Get Him to the Greek, Hot Tub Time Machine, Cyrus. You know, it's like this is... These movies all feel like...

like modern movies, contemporary movies, even though they're now 15 years old or whatever, but nonetheless, this, the movie we watched feels like it's 30 years old. Yes. The social network was,

I mean, they even think that this movie came out in the time when there was Facebook is crazy. Scott Pilgrim versus the world, kick ass. Well, that's the thing is nobody has a phone in this movie. Nobody has a cell phone in this movie. There's no computers. There's no technology. One of the things that everybody says, like all the people involved, Mickey Rourke and the director and writer, they had no idea who Megan Fox was.

Nobody had seen Transformers. No one even knew that she was an actress. So it does seem like they were kind of out of it. And it does feel like this movie was it was written as a 50s movie about like a detective and a dame. And they think they've kind of they didn't change much. I see. OK, that makes more sense then. It was it was a period. Well, here's what I would argue. If you're going to change it from a period piece, you got it.

you got to go through that whole script and just kind of update all the scenes. I mean, so I guess the question is, would you recommend watching it? And I'm kind of with you in saying, like, it is worth watching.

watching it because it is uniquely different than anything that I've seen. Yes. Yeah. It's so weird. Again, for me, it all was worth it to see her swoop in, fly in and pick up. I truly. And that's the end. That,

Those are the last images, really. And I was so delighted by that. I was so taken with it. I thought it was so hilarious. And I thought it was so humiliating for him. For me, because I found this entire movie and Megan Fox being 23 and Mickey Rourke being...

200 years old, like to be so... Wait, how old did you say he was, Paul? I believe it was 54 to 23 or no, 57 to 23. Okay, I just want to be clear. Mickey Rourke in this movie is 57. I am currently 52.

I just, I just, that to me, I'm saying that and it's funny, but I will hang up this Zoom meeting soon and I will have a crisis. No, because Jason, first of all, I don't know that I have to be honest. I don't know if I believe he's 57 in this movie. Like,

Like, I just don't know. I think he's lived very hard. And I think he might have shaved a number, like a decade off of his age. But I had so much trouble with this movie. I was so deeply, deeply disturbed by what I was watching between the two of them that seeing her fly with him like that, I needed it. And...

It put me at ease. Obviously, I simply didn't understand the ending. And I thought, oh, well, that's strange that the henchman's still there. But a couple days later, his body doesn't seem to have been picked over by vultures or anything. But, okay. Here's what I would say about that flyover scene.

At the end, it is like she picks him up. She's flying. And we're, I think we're supposed to be transported to this amazing world where you're like, now they're in the clouds. It's her dream. She's always wanted to fly. She's never been able to fly.

And the landscape is so ugly. It's desert, but it's not daylight. It's like dusk in the desert. So it's dark, like nothing pops. It looks like it's like, oh, if I was a bird, it's not that good. Sounds like a dusk in the desert could be beautiful, but it wasn't. It wasn't. There's nothing cinematic in the movie. You know, it's yeah. Oh, heavens no. Yeah.

But it really is like the movie was really interested in telling a good story as they're flying over Mickey Rourke's dead body in the desert. She's got him hooked under his armpits, flying him around and he sees it and he's like, oh, now I get it. I wish she had dropped him at that moment.

dropped him into his body. And then we follow her as she flies away to a better life. Like let, she should be, I want, I don't want, I don't want to know the end of Mickey Rourke story. I want, I'm rooting for Megan Fox to get away from everybody in this movie. She, I want her to, she should have dropped him and gone to heaven herself. But also I'm like, so the first movie moment that she's free, I know it's in his head, but the first moment she's free, she's now dead too.

Good ending? I mean, that's sad to me. She's finally free and dead. Well, she's dead because she doesn't exist. Okay. Yeah, she's not dead. She's just a figment of his imagination. So when he dies, it's lights out really for everyone, but mainly for her. I am...

utterly stunned. And every now and then it's a jaw dropper. Well, it's, it's interesting because when you see the end of the movie, you realize why it's so bad. It's because the person who's written the terrible movie you just watched was the Mickey Rourke. Yes. Yes. Oh boy. Um, all right. Well, this is, so, I mean, I guess we've decided it's worth it for the final scene, which I'm sure you could watch online. Uh, and, uh, I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow.

Yeah, it reminded me of what was the Ryan O'Neill movie we watched where he does it like he tells like a monologue in the ocean or something like that. It has that kind of an amateur, an amateur vibe, you know? Yeah. I mean, listen, it's it's honestly it's an amateur vibe, but with.

big stars. So it's like, it's some of whom are doing great work. And so it is something to see. And I will say, I was absolutely stunned that I'd never heard of this. Didn't know anything about that. I mean, it's really, there's a lot of work to be done. I mean, this is, I'm going to keep on saying it's a dad core movie. It's like a dad going like,

I could do this. I got this. I'm a fan of movies. I'm going to write like dad, you've retired. It's like, I'm writing a movie, write a movie about a beautiful angel. Yeah. All the things that dad's like, yeah, jazz. He finds a carnival. They drink wood. They drink a hot gin. Uh, he rescues an angel. Loves me and kisses me up all over my body. I fuck her wings off. Uh, you know, I save her from the plastic surgeon. Like, yeah, it's like, it's such, she's 23. I'm an old rump roast. Uh,

Oh, my gosh. All right. Well, I mean, I think we've done it. And wow, wow, wow. Avril picked another another banger. Incredible. Another banger. And like June, I'd never heard of it. I'd never heard of it. And I really want to like I what I want to look up is that woman with the tattoos. I'm so taken with those tattoos.

Oh, yeah. Her tattoos were that. And that's a vision. So that to me was visually interesting. I was like, oh, this person, there's the world of tattoo lady, junkie jazz musician, scuzzy kind of motel life. I'm like, OK, what's this? No, but what?

It's only told in that 30 seconds of the film, you know? That's what I'm saying. It feels like it's a movie of a different time. What's very funny is that we're saying it feels like it's from a different time, and I'm sure there are people being like, yeah, 15 years ago. I know, that is... That is a different time. And with that, we say, we bid you adieu. Uh... Uh...

All right. Jason, do you have anything you want to promote? Tell anybody about we're going on tour in. That's right. Oh, yeah. So. Yeah. So let's definitely talk about the end of March. Early April. We're going to be in Los Angeles. We're going to be in Austin. We're going to be in Boise, the Tree Fort Music Festival. Here's the thing.

you can buy a ticket individually. You don't have to just buy a ticket to the music festival. So there's two ways you can go. If you have a ticket for the festival, great. If you don't, you can buy a ticket separately. And then, Jason, where are we going after that? Do you remember from last night? San Francisco. Sorry, it is Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland. Yes. And then...

L.A. is now in the beginning, not the end. So I guess technically it's L.A., Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland. And then you go to HDTGM.com to get your tickets and information. We'll release the movies shortly. The movies for L.A. are released because we move those shows. All right. So come check us out on the road. Yes, I'm getting very excited about it.

Me too. I cannot wait. Cannot wait. They've been clamoring for us in Boise and baby. We coming. We're coming to town. And I got to tell you, Denver, we've owed you a show for a very long time and they showed up immediately. Day one, it was like we're almost sold out because of Denver. Cannot wait. Also, make sure you check out Dark Web, a brand new series starring Rob Hubel and me every week. Go to WatchTheDarkWeb.com. It is great.

A super fun show where we dig deep into the internet and find weird things like scissor commercials and urine looping and paintball self-defense. We put it all together in a free little package for you on YouTube every single week. So check out WatchTheDarkWeb.com and then you'll get to the YouTube page and all that good stuff. Also, Jason is on Invincible. That's right. Invincible is back on Amazon Prime now.

It is so good. He is fantastic in it. You're not going to want to miss it at all. People, do you like comedy? Are you going to be in the L.A. area? Well, guess what? On February 27th, Largo is going to be hosting Dinosaur. Jason and I will be there. Maybe even Jack McBrayer. Maybe even Rob Riggle. It is a cavalcade of who's who of some of the funniest people. I love doing that show. So come check us out this month.

at Largo. A big thank you to our producer, Cody Fisher, Molly Reynolds, a big goodbye to one of our producers, Matt Apodaca, who was with us for a short period of time, but we wish him so well. I mean, and we mean that from the bottom of our heart, not in a negative, like, oh, we wish him well. Good luck, kid. No.

We love Matt. He is off to another company and he is going to kill it. Also a big giant thank you to Avril Halle, our movie picking producer. She found a gem in this one. You can follow her online at movie bitches. You can check out all of the, how did this get made? Merch at tpublic.com slash stores slash HDTGM people.

The most important part now is you. If you have something that you want to share, something that you feel like we might have missed in Passion Plate, something that we didn't know

Give us a call at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. 619-Paul-Ask to leave a comment or a question. You can also just leave it on our Discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM. And next week, we will turn the spotlight on you. And I can only imagine what you're going to have to say about this show. All right. That brings us to the end of the episode. Bye for now. See you next week. I'm just going to be here now.

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