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Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made?

And our very special guest for this evening, for this episode, please welcome, ooh, Andrea Sage! All right, guys. Deck the halls. I got clips.

Please, let's never watch them. Watching the trailer, I was like, this fucking movie. This piece of garbage. I got furious again. Yeah. I literally saw that my blood started to boil. I'm like, you guys do this often? Yeah. To yourselves. Oh, yeah. I feel like the premise of this movie, just the basic...

Is there a premise? Yeah, there is. Let's crack it open. Because it was unclear. But I do believe it's the craziest, most insane premise. Well, can you tell, please? Because I genuinely want to know what it was. I want to have a crack after June. I need clarity. I may have a crack after June. Okay. This is...

This is why it's crazy. I would say the premise of the movie is there isn't one neighbor who is our protagonist. Oh, who? Which one? Yeah. That is already June. You are off track. Matthew Broderick. You are off track. Matthew Broderick. Matty B? Matty B. Ferris Bueller? Ferris Bueller. And he's a guy who loves Christmas. He's the Christmas guy, which we've heard about. He's our protagonist? 50 times in the trailer. Yes. I would support that. I think he's the protagonist. He's the protagonist. I agree that that's what the movie posits. Well. No, here's where I get it.

- It gets crazy though. - Okay. - Another neighbor comes into town. - Oh shit. This is us pitching the movie to studios.

First act, it opens up. He's got a great life. He's an eye doctor in a small town and he really likes Christmas. I'm in. Okay, in any other movie, you'd probably think the neighbor who's moving into town is also a Christmas guy and is going to do Christmas bigger and better. That's not this movie. Yes, it is. No, it's not. He's not. He's not. He's not this movie. He's searching. Oh, he's searching for his big thing. He's searching for his big thing. It happens to be Christmas.

It becomes Christmas. It becomes Christmas by default. Well.

I would say it's not necessarily Christmas. He just wants to be noticed from space. That is what I would say. That is what I would say. It's not... You're saying he could be putting lights on for any holiday? Exactly. I don't think he was driven by the Christmas spirit. I don't think that's true. Well, there's so many things. I mean, it's about a guy's journey to be recognized. To not be invisible. They keep saying he doesn't want to be invisible. Very Kafka-esque.

very rooted in so many deep things. I will say that this is what I kept on thinking. You guys have seen the National Appointment's Christmas Vacation, right? Of course. I felt like this was the movie where the protagonist was Julie Louise Dreyfuss and the other guy, like the next door neighbor. I was like, wait, why are we following...

The bad couple. Yeah. Yeah, like, Griswold was the enemy. Well, okay, so in this movie, I guess you would say that Matthew Broderick's character had to learn how to not love Christmas as much?

much? Yeah. Or had to learn how to... Who knows? I guess they both have to learn what Christmas actually means for different reasons. But Matthew Broderick seemed to have that already. Oh, no, he was too uptight and too rigid about his Christmas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. It was too planned and too executed. It was too planned that he needs to be more off the cuff. And I know that because Charlotte tells him so. Well, yeah. By the way, weird that

He is with Charlotte when he is actually married to Carrie. Supposedly, supposedly Charlotte had to ask Carrie permission. What? She got an email from Sarah Jessica Parker. I swear to God. That's what it says. Got an email from Sarah Jessica Parker and apparently they had one sexy scene that had to be cut to make the PG rating. Oh, shit. Whoa. He went down on her. Meanwhile. With antlers. The other cut.

The other couple is DeVito married to Kristen Chenoweth. Now, both of these people under 4'10". That was the thing I saw. Like, I was like, it only showed, like, that showed me how short Kristen Chenoweth was because when they were standing next to each other, like, wow. Yeah.

Literally the first thing I thought when I saw them side by side, I go, that's the only reason she got the job. I guess. Or was it to have like, I couldn't for the life of me figure out, and maybe this is my inability to see beyond DeVito just being a gross monster. I spent half of the movie trying to place my narrative on it, which is, he's a con man, right?

He's a con man who moved to town and he's going to con Matthew Broderick somehow. I could not get that out of my head at all. Because that's, by the way, that's what's really confusing because... It's a better movie. It is a better movie. Well, that would have, there would be a plot. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love plots in movies. Yeah.

There's a point where Danny DeVito turns on Matthew Broderick and then it's like game on. They're going after each other. But for a while he just sees Which I'll take. I'll take that. But the movie posits that Danny DeVito is so amazing at everything but just gets bored with it. He sold a car to the guy who runs the car dealership. Oh, the car. Now this is what I can't In a scene we don't see. And I mean it. Because they couldn't write it. They clearly couldn't write that scene.

scene. Because it's an impossibility. Danny DeVito walks out and just stands and goes like this. Okay, I sold that car for you at home. All I did was just wave my hand at Jason for 30 minutes. I would like to ask because that scene...

Only bolstered my belief that Danny DeVito was a con man. What is Danny DeVito's problem? Like, why? He doesn't stick to things. He seems to be good at his job. But he gets bored. My issue again with Danny DeVito is...

Is he dumb? Or is he passive-aggressive? Or is he just aggressive? Because at certain points in the movie, he says he's all of those things. Yeah. Like, at one point... There's a scene, the first scene where they meet, he steals his coffee from him. And his newspaper. Like a con man. Like a con man, and walks to his home. Yeah. So I just wasn't sure what we were supposed to think about that.

That's the thing. From moment one, he starts off as a bad guy. Seemingly. But then, Kristen Davis has that amazing wife role that just continually just goes, he's great and we should spend more time with them. Do you know what I mean? If you're judging him wrong, I know his wife seems like a stripper and he's stolen stuff from us, but we should actually bring them more into our lives. Because I guess

She's thinking to herself, Christmas here is so rigid. Yeah, because that was her big problem. They have a loose Christmas. He's a Hitler Christmas guy. Like he runs a tight ship. But by the way, here's the weird thing. They set up that advent calendar thing where they open up, you know, the little boxes. National Epidemic. Oh, okay, today's tree day or today's the day we put on the wreath. But it's never called back. It's never like, oh, these acceptance

for the carolers except at the very end too the very very like the Christmas Eve is as well but yes

But none of the events on that tree come into play at any point in the movie. Correct. Can I, I mean, both of you are working actresses, very funny. Do you think that that, what do you think about that character journey of Kristen Davis getting that cookbook? Okay, well, one of the first scenes we see with her, I actually have a big problem with this. I do too. Okay, so the first scene we see, she's making some kind of curry dish. Matthew Broderick tastes it and says, very honestly, it's terrible. No.

No, no, no. First he goes, it's great. And then he says it's terrible. And she screams out, pizza! Now, they cut to the dining room table and they're all sitting around with a homemade pizza. What?

Wait, no. Is that right? I don't think it was homemade. I think it might have been DiGiorno. I thought it was DiGiorno. I think you... No, no, no, no, no. It's on a pizza like stone. It might not have been delivery. It could have been DiGiorno. It's on a... Like an oven. This episode of How Did This Get Made brought to you by DiGiorno. You cook pizza on.

I think you heat pizza on. I swear to you, she whipped up that pizza. This is what we should really figure out. You really went deep with the pizza stuff. Yeah.

I almost want to find it right now. I want to know. I think you might be vindicating. No, it was on that piece of tin. I definitely saw that. It wasn't a tin. Not a tin, but a heating. It was a pizza. It was a pizza. Oh, a pizza rock? No. Like a pizza rock? Yes, but you put it in there. No, it was a tin. It was a cookie. It was like a cookie. Wow. This is a detail that I did not look at at all. Who are you knowing? Anyone have any... Okay, show of hands. Who thinks it was a pizza tin? Okay.

A couple. Who thinks it was a pizza rock? Yeah. You have a pizza movie. Who thinks it was delivery? Who thinks it was DiGiorno? Who thinks it was homemade? All right, so wait, so you're hypothesizing that she made this pizza? Yes. Well, and by the way, her journey with her cookbook is very interesting. Well, it doesn't end. Wait, did you, was that what you were upset about? The pizza thing? Well, I was upset.

Oh, because we were upset about different things then. Yeah. What were you upset about? I was upset about the fact that he then says something to the effect of something about cooking recipes from your cookbook or something like that. And she goes, oh, you know, I don't cook those. I don't write cookbooks. It bothers me. Don't you know I don't write cookbooks? I edit other people's cookbooks. No, no, no, no, no.

I compile other people's recipes for my cookbook. Wait, really? Yes. Oh, I thought she was an editor, not a cook. That's what I thought too. She compiles. But it's other people's recipes. But she was very unhappy. And she goes, I compile them for books no one ever reads. I felt like he fundamentally did not know what his wife did for a living. That's what I'm saying. That is exactly what I thought. His wife has a job

And he's basically like, your job is pointless. I don't care. No, no, no. Cookbooks, right? Okay, whatever. So much so that she had to say, you know that that's not my job. He's a terrible husband and the protagonist of this movie. Yeah, he was a terrible person. By the way, the other really strange thing about her journey, though, is that he says to her, you need to start doing your own recipes. Right.

And so you think this is going to be her journey, that she's going to come into her own as a cookbook author and really put her own recipes out there. You've already seen her make a bad recipe. Right. FYI. Yeah, so I don't know how it's going to go, but I'm excited to watch the journey. Now, what ends up happening is that Kristen Chenoweth says, you should do your own recipe book. And then Kristen Davis says, yeah, do it with me. Yeah.

And so then the two of them... Their friendship was so authentic. That's what I love. But here's the thing that I appreciate. I do have to say, there are some things about the movie that do hit home. Here's the thing I appreciated about that. It kept Kristen Davis in her place. Don't get cocky, brunette. You need a blonde to get you through this.

Right? Like, hey, hey, hey. No, no, no. You're plain. You don't strive for that. You stay put. But also, Kristen Chenoweth goes, and I even... You guys were like, hey, hey, hey. We're all brunettes. We're brunettes. You know that only brunettes listen to podcasts, right? Jason's going to be beaten up by a bunch of brunette women after the show. How dare you?

Fuck Kristen Chenoweth. But also Kristen Chenoweth, as she's so moved that Kristen Davis asked her to be part of her cookbook journey, she's very moved, and then she goes, I have the title! And then she goes, food! I thought she said food for food, like food for thought. No, no, it was food food. Food!

by blankety blank like the weird like and by the way that's the end of the journey that literal line we never that's not true wait that's not one of the Christmas Eve oh what did they say on Christmas Eve but it was unclear no what they said was when oh I'm so angry you fucking made me watch this oh

When the guys lose their families and win them back by having some sort of nonsense walk from the hotel all the way through town, which is like in the middle of the street, like with reindeer and garbage. If you haven't watched this movie... But no one is on the road on Christmas. Yeah, if you haven't watched this movie, don't let anything we say make you watch this movie. But...

That's what you should take away. It is not so bad, it's good. It's never worthwhile. It is just bad. This part, though, particularly bummed me out because I was like, fuck you! Even movie logic dictates that this is impossible!

And the families follow the trail all the way back to the house and the guys have created Christmas Eve dinner and they've made recipes from their cookbook. And it all looks gross. It looks disgusting. They are a failure.

Lesson learned, Kristen Davis and Kristen Chenoweth. Boy, but that would mean that the book was written and manufactured in a matter of like four days. They hold it up. It's not a book yet. It's just like several recipes. Which is all it's ever going to be. Yes. That is clear. But my problem with the Christmas Eve thing is this is supposed to be the big culmination where like they've learned their lessons that...

Being seen from space doesn't matter and loosening up. One of those classic lessons. Moving is about being loose. You know that you see in every Christmas movie. Having being looser about Christmas is better and they've supposedly learned their lesson by doing nothing. There's no evidence they've learned their lesson but the music indicates

their lesson. Sure. It starts swelling and their family that's not talking to them comes back even though they've literally changed nothing about themselves. Except they worked together, I guess. To make a terror that nobody's into. And then everyone's happy and they're all forgiven because the music is swelled. They still get to be seen from space. Wait, wait, no spoilers. Oh no, sorry, no spoilers. JK. JK.

Here's, before we see that scene, though, I do want to ask one question about space. Well, this is my question. Because... Just, I hope this is just conceptual. Yeah, I really hope it is. Well, when the twins, by the way, Kristen Chenoweth and Danny DeVito have reared two girls who are Amazons. Yeah, and they're also very tall.

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- But the twins first introduced the idea of Space Cam or My Earth, whatever it's called, because they've figured out where the hottest guys in school live. - Right, Google Earth, which they can't say. - Okay, so Google Earth. So now they're looking-- - Which is the moment when I was like, this is that recent?

This is when I was like, oh, this movie isn't 12 years old. That is when I looked it up and goes, what year? Because the whole time up until then, I was like, this is from 1993. Nope. 100%. And I was like, I can't believe Jillian's in this. 2006. 2006. So when they're looking on my Earth, they see houses that are near them from space. Many. Now,

She says all the houses in town are visible. Except ours. And Danny DeVito's response is, oh, it's because all the bigger houses are visible. Of course, you can't see ours. By the way. Their house is huge. But this is my question. Other houses are not visible from space because of the lights on them.

No. No. No, you're right. I would argue that no one else has lights up. Google Earth doesn't seek out Christmas lights. And it is not a service that happens in real time. That was the thing that made me crazy because then they cut to... Cal Penn. Cal Penn. Cal Penn.

Cal Penn. Cal Penn with a British accent. With a British accent. Cal Penn was like, I'll do this movie, but let me be British. So nobody knows who I am. And he's like in a space center and they're constantly updating my Earth to see if they can now see the house. Well, and then here's the other thing. He does one of my favorite moves. It's like when you go on like a ride at like Disney World and they're like, oh, hi. Hi.

Here, you gotta get in the car. Like, you know, it's like, what are you guys doing here? Like, they're doing a news report. He's like, well, how about we cut to the My Earth control room? And he's like, this is on? Okay, anyway, we're working on this. I was like, what? There's no producers here? Here's my question about My Earth. Why wasn't Danny DeVito's house visible from space? I don't know. But, wait a second, but this is the thing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Testify. Testify. I wish somebody would come out and put a cape on your back like James Brown. I wish everyone could see my house from Earth, but everyone, you could see everybody else's house. You're now not special. You're not special. He's never going to be special. Like, if you could see everything. Sorry. But also, you know what? He's actually...

is special because he's the only one you can't see from space. Yep. By the way... That would have shortened the movie. I could see a world in which this journey makes sense because I think the kernel of the idea of, like, I'm invisible, he wants to be... He wants bigger things. What's bigger than space? I get...

What's bigger than the universe? If the line wasn't even as well in the trailer of, we can see everyone else's house but ours, so all he's trying to do is be seen as much as everyone else, that doesn't seem it. But you're right, the idea of being invisible and feeling that visibility from space is important. And being seen. I just wanted to put, when you make a movie obviously like this, it's based in reality. I know.

You would probably go, well, look, if our whole movie is about being seen from space, is that even possible? And the answer is no. There is too much light pollution on the eastern seaboard to see anyone's house from space. And so, yeah, so that is basically, you could never be seen from space. Here's another big question I have. Why doesn't Matthew Broderick put up Christmas lights? Well, if you noted in the scene...

as he is asked as he's walking through the town with his poinsettia plant and the locals are putting up their Christmas tree in the center of town and they ask his opinion because he's Mr. Christmas and

And they have a Marilyn Monroe on the top with her dress being lifted because something crazy happened. And he says, don't put a lot of lights on. We don't want it to look tacky. He has that thing against lights. I see. I miss that. It's part of him being so rigid. I miss that. So it's not about him resisting Christmas.

No, no, no. He does Mr. Christmas. Mr. Christmas. It's about not lights. Yeah, it's about keeping it classy. It's an understated Christmas. Keeping it classy. Like when he does his caroling and stuff like that, even he picks a weird song. By the way, this movie is full of non-Christmas Christmas songs. There definitely was an album released for this, and they would play them. It would be like Jingle Bell Rock, and then another song like

Holly bushes are fun. You know, it was like, wait, I don't know that one. And they would play it. They were trying to launch it. Yeah, they were really trying to launch it. Wouldn't for the writers this movie just be a lot easier if Matthew Broderick was a guy who hated Christmas? Yep. Yes. Honestly, I'm into this movie. You know what? Tell me more about this movie. He hates Christmas. This guy moves in. He's like the town, you know, Grinch. This guy moves in across the street who loves Christmas. Wait a second. That's inherent conflict. Loves it so much.

I don't know, June. I don't know. I gotta say, look, I feel like that character's very unlikable. What if he liked Christmas, but just in a different way? In a different way. Also, how do we know he's good at his job?

Can he show an old lady that she looks hot with glasses? Oh, that's great. I like that. And then later hit her with one snowball that knocks her off her feet. Which has no repercussions. Nope. This movie has no repercussions. He falls in a lake, almost dies. He hits a woman with a snowball. They don't go back to it. Not only that, nobody seems to care. But he hit someone with a snowball.

and she flew backwards. Well, she's a frail old lady. There are scenes... There are scenes that felt like they were maybe added on in reshoots. Like, I would like to talk about the sheriff scene. The...

The sheriff is a cross-dresser? The sheriff is a cross-dresser. Because that scene existed in and of itself. It had no context for the rest of the movie. It's never called back. It's never used. It's set up in the beginning. It's set up by the guy at the Christmas tree who says, I don't tell any secrets. The only secret I know is that the sheriff likes to wear women's underwear and blah, blah, blah. I missed that. In the beginning. Well, I will tell you what I noticed in the first minute of the movie. Because I was like, who is that?

Who is this movie for? That's what I wrote! Because it's very unclear. Because you're like, okay, it's a family movie. It looks like a family movie, but there's like tons of weird sex stuff. Sex stuff! Oh, 100%. And by the way, that, I don't know. For me, that boy was too young to have those, call me grandma if you will, but to have those kind of sexual instincts toward Danny DeVito's twins. Oh, no way! I don't think you're right even a little bit. No, no. He was 10. He's a young kid.

He's a young kid. He sees hot girls. He sees boobies. He was all about boobs. Here's the deal. For that kid. He's not like pre-pubescent even. What's that? Yes, he is. Yes, he is. He's like 12 years old. No, he's like 12. Yeah. That kid is the, that kid had the same journey that I had with the Double Trouble Twins.

They were twins on a TV show called Double Trouble. Oh, I remember that show. They were like, no, I don't know if you know this show. Yeah. Clap. Oh, they're the old people in the crowd. Yeah, by the way, the people in the class are lying. I was obsessed with them sexually. Yeah, I have to be corrected. I was obsessed with that girl on that show where she could freeze time by like touching her fingers. Oh, yeah. Small wonder? Out of this world, maybe? Out of this world. Yeah.

Anyway, the sheriff scene, though, that... Also Michelle Pfeiffer in Ladyhawk. Ooh, good call. And Rutger Hauer was just, like, grossing her up. I liked a lot of the girls on Rags to Riches, the TV show. That's vintage Broderick. Vintage.

Sorry. No, anyway, the sheriff scene, I get that now I understand that it was set up earlier. Barely. Barely, and it didn't, I guess my problem with it was it didn't tie into the story in any way, shape, or form. I guess that's my problem with it.

Yeah, that's a valid... By the way, great point. Yeah. Because I felt like the movie wanted to have little, like, almost like this town is like Stars Hollow and the Gilmore Girls. Right. Everybody's got their... Everybody's a quirky character, you know? That sounds like fun. Oh my God, I would love... Like the dude from... Yes, Jorge Garcia. Jorge Garcia. Jorge Garcia is kind of in this movie. But, like, it's such an odd...

Yeah. He doesn't really, he basically has three scenes. The first scene, he pushes Matthew Broderick out of the way to deem Danny DeVito the king of Christmas. He's like, I'm so happy to meet you. He's like, oh, I have a question about mistletoe. How should I hang it? Danny DeVito's like, oh, you should hang it like this. He's like, okay, great. And Matthew Broderick's like, oh, I wouldn't have hung it like that.

And then he narrates the speed skating thing. And then at one point he's just wearing... As if it's a bigger deal than it is. Yeah, a big deal. He is currently on Lost at this point. At this time. That's the thing. Wait, he... Oh, right. Lost is definitely on the air in whatever you said, 2007? Yes, 2006. Lost is on and also the daughter is currently on Arrested Development, correct? Oh, yeah. I guess you're right. And she's in this. And Fred Armas is on SNL. Yeah, I mean... People are working. Uh...

Working hard to forget that they were in this movie. There is also a guy in this movie, I want to just point out, another weird for weird's sake character. The guy who probably took too many improv classes. The car dealer. The car dealer. This kid...

I come from an improv background. That was some bad improv. What about the threesome that talks about when they're like, Wait, there was a threesome in this movie? Yeah. Between Danny DeVito and his daughters. No way.

I would then love this movie. Because, and you know why I know it's possible? There's no way he's their father. But no, where he, you know when Danny DeVito sells the owner of the car dealership a car? Yeah. And we're watching it from outside and the three guys ahead of it literally go like, watch this one. Not exaggerating. And then they're like, hey, go sell a car to that one. And then he walks up to me and he goes, one's born every minute.

And then the three of them, and I'm like, I know that was an improv audition. I know those guys were... Just have fun, guys. And they're like, I got a thousand. What? And it was just so weird. The worst line of the whole movie, the improv line is Danny DeVito is coming into the office and he goes, hold on a second, I just gotta send off this important email.

That was so like a level one improv student. Just important email. It wasn't even important email. That makes it sound better. It was just like, I'm going to send an email. Yeah, it was really, it was dumb. Well, this was 2006 when sending an email was a pretty big deal.

This scene where I actually felt very offended and I felt very upset... I think we're going to have the same. We're going to have the same. ...is the scene in which... Now, I guess...

I'm sort of blanking on Maybe's name, her real name. - Oh, Alia Shawkat. - Yes, when her character's journey is that she's kind of frumpy and a sullen teenager, and then when the twins move across the street, they really kind of sex her up. - Take her under their wing. - Yeah, take her under their wing. - Let her date marines that are visiting town. - Yeah, right. But it goes both ways, 'cause she gives them Jane Austen. - That's exactly right. - No, Emily Dickinson. - Emily Dickinson. - No, Emily Dickinson. - Should we play that scene? - Sure. - Oh, please.

I mean, that's got it going on. Damn, look at that. You're right. By the way, they've been in a huge fight before. But now they're bonding for the first time. Hey! Hey! Is it getting hot out here or is it just you, girl? Oh, nice dip.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hey, baby, who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? Oh, God. I'm your daddy. I'm your daddy. I'm your daddy. Oh, God. Then they immediately run into a church to wash their eyes out with holy water.

That is not an exaggeration. A church that has a PA system, though, because the PA comes on to alert them that the skating competition is starting, and it echoes through the church.

This is actually, it's a very offensive scene because they've been fighting this whole time and there's so much animosity between them. They can't seem to, you know, see eye to eye. There's nothing they can agree on. There's nothing they can agree on. And their wives have had enough. Their wives have had enough. What they connect on.

and where they meet is verbally harassing and verbally attacking women in a public space. This is the problem I have. And by the way, no one else looks into it. No one else looks into it. This is the problem I have with it. It's more on this line, but go ahead. No, that's it. I have a big problem with that. But mine was more, he's

He's like the Mr. Eye doctor of the town who is very uptight and frigid. And all of a sudden he's catcalling a super sexual Christmas show in the middle of this cute town parade thing. Why that show would be happening. And now he's screaming out catcalls completely out of character. I had a character problem. He's saying things as though he's at a strip club.

Or as if this town's, the version of this show that happens in this town, part of the tradition is that the men in the crowd scream obscenities at the women on stage. And every year they have their sexy show. Yeah, it's as if he's obeying those rules because it is clearly fine for him because DeVito's like, you're a man, right? We can agree on this, right? And they're like, oh, show us your titties, basically. Now my issue is...

is actually different than all three of yours, which is I feel like Matthew Broderick has never said those words in his life. - Well, I think you're right. - Suck my big hard dick. You know you want it. I'm gonna give it to you.

You dirty girl. And by the way, that's what it sounds like. That's right. And I think that in the scene, you can see that he's playing that. He's looking sort of for permission from Danny DeVito to say these things he's never said before. But it was so out of character. And this was my other problem with it, is they're doing their sexy

a Christmas dance. They have, by this point, they've done a couple moves where they have turned toward the audience numerous times. The whole dance has not just been here. They have twirled where you have clearly seen their face.

And you are clearly looking right at them as you're yelling obscenities. They're looking down low. What you're misunderstanding is that they spent one at the twirl looking at the bum and lower part and then one at the boobs and then not until the third twirl did they see faces. And even then it's just because they were close to air. I agree with Jason. But you know what? It's just so fucked up. What? They're their children. They know

They know their faces. Butts, boobs, hair. That's how it goes. That's what they were looking. That's the order. Boom, boom. And the reason why, by the way, it plays into the rest of the story is Matthew Broderick's character is really resisting the idea that Alia is growing up and that she's becoming a woman. And this is how you become a woman. Dancing sexy at the Christmas festival. And that basis of the fear, which is so fucked up, is that once he sees her that way, he wants to fuck her. Well, the thing...

That's disgusting. My problem, and I mean, I know that it's just simply for the joke, but it's not like, hey, looking good, or nice ass, or blah, blah, blah. Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy is something more that you say like, who's your daddy? You like that? All I'm going to say is that, shout that out for good. Yeah.

Carrie. Oh, yeah, Carrie. You think Samantha likes this? I want all of you to think about that tonight when you're fucking each other. And then start laughing and be like, were you thinking about it? I was too, yeah. Me too. And then come.

Well, I guess we can all just agree to the fact that Sabrina and Kelly Aldridge, the two twins in the movie, really paid off that they practiced for five hours a day for two weeks for that dance number. Five hours a day for two weeks. That dance number is... June and I could do that dance number right now. Five hours a day. We're doing it. We're not. Do it. Do it. Do it. Five hours a day. Two steps. Five hours a day for two weeks.

That is the excess of Hollywood.

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Let's go into the audience. Let's see what kind of questions the audience has maybe as we... Raise your hand if you have something that we have not talked about, something that you saw. There's a couple things I still want to get to too, but here we go. The mic. I'll hold it. Here we go. Your name, your favorite part of this movie, and your question.

My name is Ian. My favorite part is when Danny DeVito becomes the really likable character that everyone's supposed to root for because he's the underdog. And just going off of what you guys were talking about, the actresses practice for five hour days for five hours a day for two weeks. Yes. And these characters obviously must have practiced a lot.

And the parents had no idea they were practicing? Amazing point. Great point. Now, don't get it confused, though. Their characters may have picked this up very quickly. Their characters. The actors. Especially those twins. The twins might have already worked out that dance. Like, that might be their thing. But I feel like Arrested D, her character would have needed more time. Right.

But you know what? Matthew was so distracted by all of the lights and his anger that he probably didn't notice. Before we ask one more question, I'm just realizing that was Danny DeVito worried at all that these lights being seen from space was just going to be a seasonal thing for him?

- He wanted to be seen once. - He wanted that one. - He just wanted one time. - He just wanted that recognition once. - One time. - One time. - He does clarify it too. He goes, "I want my house to be seen from space." And everyone applauds and goes, "Outer space." - That is true, he did say that. He did say outer. - He does take a moment. Your name, your favorite character in this movie, and your question, go. - My name's Connor. I'd say Danny DeVito 'cause he's one of the only likable people in this movie.

- That's interesting. People really like to waste. - I think people's love for DeVito

is winning over him in this movie. But he is more likable than Rossi. I don't want to see him win. As the movie progresses, I like him less and less. Here we go. I do love him, and it's always so funny. But he forged a signature on a car that never comes into play again. What was that? You're right, because they set up a dare, essentially. The speed skating. And then he wins. DeVito wins. DeVito tricks him. So I'm brought to cast it by the car.

Right. But he also steals a car. He also steals a car or steals a Christmas tree. Correct. It's a lot. Let's see. Things a con man might do.

If I was playing $25,000 Pyramid and you said, steals a Christmas tree, steals a car, I might be like, things a con man might do. Things a thief might do. But there is a darkness to his character and his history. I mean, we find out that he's been in, they're in serious debt, it seems. Just noticing these people have my face on their shirts. Wow. All right, here you go. Your name, your question, but before your question, your favorite character.

Susan Park at the end. Great. That, great. You win. What is the time scale of this movie? Because they were able to do the light thing from the hotel, cook dinner, call all of the neighbors to come bring lights. What was the time? Just a minute.

Well, yeah, that's a crazy... The end Christmas Eve in this town is about a week. Yeah. A solid week. Yeah, Christmas... Yeah, you're right. Like, a week's worth of activities happens during one night.

Including MTV getting from MTV to Massachusetts. By the way, why is MTV the pinnacle of being like, MTV is going to cover it? Danny DeVito would be 60 Minutes would be interesting to Danny DeVito, you would think. I would love it if Mike Wallace was in this movie. Again, that's who this movie was for. Check it out. Sway is coming to our house to do an exclusive report.

I don't know if we could do the MTV interview. The Fuse interview is going to be here earlier. We've got to do... All right, your name, your favorite character, and your question. My name's Drew, definitely the sexy sheriff. And there's a moment where Matthew Broderick talks about growing up basically in the Dust Bowl, eating French fries and a milkshake for Christmas. Yet he went on to have this amazing optometry practice. His journey is amazing.

It is amazing. That's America. That's American dream. I don't know if it's an amazing optometry practice. I think he's the only game in town. Which, by the way, I actually wanted to bring you back. Who's your daddy now makes more sense. He's an optometrist, which is very close to dentistry, and dentists are all up to weird shit. So I feel like optometrists, he's ready to yell at who's your daddy. I don't know, because I feel like optometrists, by giving you the gift of sight, are only letting you see the weird stuff they're going to do to you.

All right, your name, oh, I want you to see this in exact clarity. Your name, your favorite character, and your question. Patrick Kalpin.

And it just bothers me that they show Google Maps at night. I've never seen a night... That's a great... That is a great... That is a great point. An unbelievable point. And again, we go back to that idea that in the movie makes no sense because ultimately...

there's no live satellite images going on at any point. You can't just pull up the lives. That would be very detrimental. The movie makes no sense for so many reasons. When the lights on the house do go on, when the lights on the house do go on, the people in the computer center at Cal Penn University have to turn away from their monitors because the footage being broadcast from space is sober.

as to blind them on the computer. Go fuck yourself this movie. Boy. Jason, are you telling me that sometimes when you watch a movie like this, when the lights come on really bright, like it doesn't hurt your eyes, sometimes you don't have to turn down the... I write the brightness. I write the brightness all the time. Brightness and volume. You know what? A computer monitor cannot put out enough light to make you turn away.

The only thing that can make me turn away is an image on the computer monitor, which I can send you guys some really fucking weird stuff. All right. Your name, your favorite character, your question. My name's Connor. My favorite character is Fred Armisen. Fred Armisen? Yes. Sound like you said Fred Armisen. It did. That's Fred Armisen's porn name.

Spread. Spread Armisen. Jason touched on this a little bit already, but I'm just amazed at how nonplussed everybody is at all the crazy shit going on. Multiple times Christmas trees catch on fire, one of which is in their house. And they just kind of stand there cracking jokes about it. They do. They quit. They quit. And we haven't even talked about that Christmas tree scene. No. First of all... You mean when

the tree lit on fire because gas was near it? Or do you mean the time when a military grade firework Oh, oh, oh. Can we talk about this? That doesn't exist.

Can we talk about this scene? Well, I actually thought there was a missed opportunity because I thought there was a missed opportunity there because they've established that in this town there's the Christmas guy, there's the Fourth of July guy, and then there's the Memorial Day guy. Yeah. He offered Danny DeVito could be Halloween guy. Which, by the way, for DeVito, that would be a good gig. That's great. A sequel of this movie about home haunts. Sounds great. I would like to see a sequel about home haunts. But I...

we were going to go to the 4th of July guy for those fireworks. It's literally like they set stuff up and you're just like, okay, let's just watch that play out. Let's just watch that play out like the sheriff does the thing or this urn is the most expensive thing in our home. But that is, the whole movie is based on... We'll probably never mention that again. There are episodes of Benny Hill that are more subtle than this movie. Yeah, you better more subtle.

And if you don't know what Benny Hill is, get the fuck out of here. All right, this guy. No, but seriously, go home and watch it if you don't know what Benny Hill is. Your name, your title for this movie, if you could title it anything, and your question. Go. My name's Chris. Deck, it sounds like they just want to punch the Halls. Is that what they're talking about? Oh. No, his name is Hall. His name is Buddy Hall. Oh, his last name was Hall. No.

- No, no. I got that. But do you think you wanted to punch him? - Guys! - All right, I'll take it. Wow, standing ovation for that. I like it. Yes, here's the question.

So my favorite character is definitely Harley from Lost... This question better live up to that. Ask about your favorite character. He had a beer sign around his... When they asked for lights, he brought the beer. Anyway, so when... How did he power that neon sign? So when Buddy's light show doesn't work, the whole town shows up to support him, and they pull out their flip phones.

This is the best. To try to try and power this light show to be seen from space they open their dimly lit razors their razor phones and they hold them up and like about half of them are holding

And then the kid points out that no, the plug is just not plugged in. So all that effort was for nothing. Oh no, no, that effort was so that Kristen Chenoweth could sing a goddamn song. That was a good, he got all about that. Exactly.

Here's what I'm wondering now. See, that's where you're wrong, guy. Here's what I'm wondering. So most of the townspeople did not know that the switch wasn't turned. Nobody knew. No one knew. Not even Danny DeVito. So in their minds, are we leaving them thinking... Are they thinking to themselves...

The power of song? The power of community? The power of Jesus Christ? And just hurt people really hard. Yeah. Is that what they're saying?

They think it's the magic of Christmas. It's Santa. In my mind, they don't think they're going to be seen from space. They just think now they're having like a community, a town moment. I get that. But I'm saying when the lights actually do come on, are they thinking that they did that? Oh, I see. I see. I see. I'm sorry. Yep. Ooh.

Oh, good question. Was anyone else just concerned that the lights that are on this tree literally are like more lights than would be on, you know what I mean, all of Disneyland or something. And it's all one little plug. Like, well, I want to talk about easily sort of loosen. It's like, it's,

Unless just he doesn't work that way. We didn't talk about this, but I think it's worth just bringing up for this one point that when Matthew Broderick decides to cut the power, he dresses up like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible. Yeah. And his plan is to simply use the Leatherman to cut the box open and then throw a snowball inside of it. But he is so outfitted. Sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. How about the...

How about the fact that in order to execute this piece of shit action, which is basically to walk across the street, he sends his son in pajamas to the top of a telephone pole in the middle of winter. His son wanted to do it. He sends his son to do the most dangerous thing while he saunters across the yard and throws a snowball into a circuit breaker or something. You have brought up a thing that...

that bothered me the most of the entire movie. I love you. Is the snow. The snow never moves. It never melts. There's a snowflake that lands on Dum Dum Chenoweth's mouth and it is there for two and a half minutes. And if you look at like the walkway up to their house, the snow never moves. People are outside in robes constantly.

There's no cold air. There's no cold air. This is just, this is like on the Universal lot or something. Literally, and you can see the sunny day, and I seriously, there was one shot where Kristen Davis sort of gave like a half-ass like...

And I was just like, was the director so caught up in everyone's journey and making sure everyone was nailing that part that he forgot to go, oh, and by the way, it's 14 degrees outside and you're in a miniskirt, so play that too. Nope. No need, because the comedy was taking it through. I do know where it was shot. It was shot in the place where Matthew Broderick's soul was. Uh,

It was a really beautiful, beautiful area. A lot of free land there. One more question from the audience. Who has a good question? We have some ladies with some questions. All right, here we go. All right. What would you title the movie? What's your name and what's your question? Here you go. My name's Shay. I would title the movie, like, Sad Dads. That's great. Really good. I was just wondering, Danny DeVito seems he wants to find his passion and can't decide what he wants to do. He should be an audiovisual engineer for, like, Dead Mouser.

Yeah, because by the way, what they also set up about him is that he's a salesman and it seems like he does... Great, really good one. He can sell anything. He can sell snow to an Eskimo. Here's what's problematic. They should have used that in the movie. The premise is that he can sell anything. I have a couple things they should have used. So it seems like he loves to sell. He just hasn't found the right product. Well, what you see when he sells the car is he does it and he's like, yeah, and then he's like...

He's like, it's almost like too easy to conquer. You know what I mean? That happens a couple of times where he's like... And that's why he has to go to space. Yeah, it's like, it's almost like, you know, the, why would I want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member? You know what I mean? Because he's so good at it. Speaking of Deadmau5. I was going to play this scene where Danny DeVito is DJing so much that smoke comes off the DJ table. Please do. Please do.

Again, I'm not a DJ. June, you are. You actually know stuff about being a DJ. I do. I know a little bit about it. Here you go. Watch this. Do you know as much about DJing as you do about...

That is why I brought it up. Where does it fall on the scale you know the most about DJing? DJing, I mean, it's DJing, gorillas, tornadoes, and... Street fighter. Yeah, DJing. And I believe, is science? Lasers, lasers. Lasers. I,

I'd say DJing is up top. DJing is up top. And everything falls below. Everything follows DJing. Update your charts, nerds. All right, here we go. This is Dan DeVito in his Deadmau5 performance. ♪

And when was that video shot of Danny DeVito waving? When he was getting on his plane out of town. Did the kid just wave at the picture of DeVito on the house? Yes, he did. And you're moved, you're moved. Heavy metal. By the way, this would definitely get a noise complaint. Right? I mean, oh yeah. Of course. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

What an amazing show. And Danny DeVito said he's going to play that show until four in the morning every day. Well, because for him at that point, this is... His turn is interesting because for him at that point, it's no longer... Okay, hang on. Can we do this? You're the director. I'm Danny DeVito. Okay? Yeah. I don't understand my motivation in this scene. Like, why...

Why am I doing this? Yeah. For you at this point in the movie, for your character, Buddy Hall. Yep, Buddy Hall. E. Yeah. It's no longer about getting your house seen from space. Well, it's not. No. That's what I thought my whole movie was about. I know. I know.

Like being visible. Now it's about, we're taking the global local. So it's about being seen from across the street in a major, major way. Okay. How much am I getting to do this movie? $4 million. $4 million. I'll say the lines. Fuck you. Wait, you got the plane ready? This is my problem with the movie is that it doesn't... Travolta, gas up my jet. Yeah, gas up the jet.

He no longer really cares here about being seen from space. It's about creating a huge problem for Matthew Broderick. I was going to say, I thought at this point it just came down to he has to do this for himself. Oh, that's interesting. What about the other neighbors? I would like to see a movie with the other neighbors. There's no other neighbors. They're in a cul-de-sac. I just realized, by the way, in that scene that he's DJing and you're hearing record scratches. Yep. But that's not something that exists.

And modern DJing on iPods. Does traffic go entirely around his house? We're looking at a screenshot right now. Like, his house on an island in the cul-de-sac? Literally, there are no other houses. I think they even referenced that. What? Yeah, they're like, by themselves. I ask you, what is this? I literally have that written so many times. What is this? Exclamation point. Is this movie a prank? Perhaps.

I will say, here's some interesting facts about this movie. The budget. Want to guess what the budget was? $40 million. $51 million. And it's all on the screen, you guys. And opening week was $12 million. It says most films on our show, right, have had terrible openings, but at least...

Almost all of them have made back their money over the course of their lifetime. This movie has still not made back its money. Amazing. Of $51 million. Directed by the guy who directed Big Mama's House 2. And Big Mama, like father, like son. Blossom. Yeah. Blossom, yes. And the writer also wrote Big Mama, Santa Claus 2. Their team. And the Black Honeymooners movie. When it works, it works. Wow.

Yeah, you heard that right. The Black Honeymooners movie. Wait, is there any chance it was actually called The Black Honeymooners movie? I have to double check. I don't think so. I wish. It was also nominated for a Razzie for the worst excuse for family entertainment. That is a new category I've never seen. That is... This should just win that every year.

Well, obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but it is now time to read a second opinion. These are five-star reviews called from Amazon. To be honest, this is really hard because there are very few of them, and I wouldn't even know if these were the best, but I figured I'd have to read a couple. Here they are. This one is from a woman in the Ukraine. Oh, my God.

Okay, here we go. Please read it in a Ukrainian accent. All right, okay. It goes, it doesn't deserve five stars completely since it's not in the same category as It's a Wonderful Life. But I decided to give them five stars anyway because our house in this film, because in our house, this is the Ukraine, because in our house, it's considered a Christmas classic. Five stars. Five stars.

Matthew Broderick wrote that. That poor family. Can you imagine if this was like what you were excited to watch with your family?

And then you grew up to be old enough to know, like, oh no. Like, we watched garbage. Here is another one by Veggie Girl. I bought this movie, I thought this movie was great. Some other movies that are part of my Christmas tradition are Christmas Vacation, The Santa Clause, Elf, Scrooged, Trapped in Paradise, Jingle All the Way, and March of the Wooden Soldiers.

I only list them so you get an idea of the kinds of movies I like. And if you like them,

then it's a good guess you're going to like this movie as well. Just seeing how they... Is she implying that we might think she's listing them to name drop movies? My sincere hope is that if you went to the Amazon page for every one of those other movies, she wrote a review for that movie using the same list adding this for those movies. Just seeing how they lit up the house in this movie is worth the watch.

It looks like he has a TV screen on his roof.

very cool. Five stars. That review was written in the 90s. I wish that. That was actually written, by the way, that was written on, I just saw this now, December 25th, Christmas 2007. So someone on Christmas Day was like, let me get to Amazon and write this up. You know what? On Christmas, you know, you get moved. There's a

of emotion in this movie. Guys, that really upsets me. That's really, that's actually really sad. It's really sad. But in my, like, because I'll say this, like for this person, this is that movie and that's a bummer. For me, it's Love Actually. I will watch Love Actually on Christmas and then I will want to go and write an Amazon review.

I love that movie. I'm a sucker for that movie. You like Rick from The Walking Dead in there? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. To me, you are perfect. Come on, guys. As we wrap up...

As we wrap up, anything that we missed, anything we want to chat about? I know we didn't talk about the toxic spit from the camel. Oh, yeah, we didn't talk about falling into the camel shit. And the great thing about Matthew Broderick is when he does the Mission Impossible is what we're talking about. He falls into the camel. Oh, there's also a live nativity scene on Danny DeVito's lawn. Which he hires actors and camels. Where the money's coming from, we don't know. Where is the money coming from? We don't know. He

He's a con man. And they're very much in debt. Because he's a con man. They're in debt and he loses his job halfway through the break. Guys, he sells the earth.

Yeah, but that was later. That was way later. That was for the LED screen. So Broderick falls in a huge pile of camel shit, then looks up at the camel and the camel spits on him. And he's like, I can't catch him. But the camel spits on him in like ooze from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies. Yeah. He got slung. Slash, like a Bukkake video. Yeah. Yeah.

He basically gets like green jizzed on. At which point he then gets up and he gets out of the camel thing. There's no spit or shit on him. And I thought of that too and I was like, that is a guy who's like, fuck this, I do one shot. I did it. I did it. And I won't do it if it's not on any other shot. It's like my favorite joke in Ghostbusters where Bill Murray only has the slightest marshmallow on the tip of his head. Everyone else is covered. He was like, no, I'm

do not pour a marshmallow on me. I was slimed earlier in the movie. I did it. That's fine. I would like to mention the nude sleeping bag scene.

Oh, we have that too. Oh, yeah. That is definitely worth mentioning. I thought that that was a funny scene. I think the premise of that scene is really funny. It could have been funny. I do. But the lead up is bananas. Well, the lead up is insane. But just the idea that Danny DeVito took off all his clothes to save his life. I mean, I thought that would be funny. But what's weird about it... Someone...

Avril Haley, our clip puller, she pulled a picture of Matthew Broderick with Ferris Bueller's Day Off and Matthew Broderick in the hospital bed here. That is amazing. Double, just get to see the ghost of Christmas past. And the ghost of the Christmas future. Just purely for the people here.

I don't know if that is a funny scene. I think it could have been. Let's play it. Let's play it and then talk about it. It was for DeVito to be on top of him. Here we go. Hang on. What's happened, just so you know contextually, because this is after the sled, right? Yes. Okay. So what's happened is DeVito... Okay, guys, get ready. Okay.

has a life-size Santa sled with horses that he has duct tape antlers to. So then they convince Matthew Broderick to put on a Santa suit, get in the thing, and then the horses, of course, take off. He goes all the way through town, gets on the ice of a lake, and falls in. In a beautiful CGI scene. It's gorgeous. Right out of Avatar. Here we go. Look at this. He's coming too. I think he's going to be all right.

Where am I? We're in the back seat of your wife's car on the way to the hospital. You warming up? Yeah. Where are my clothes? You were freezing to death. We had to get you out of there. Where are your clothes? I had to get your body temperature up, so I stripped us both down and zipped us into this sleeping bag. Trust me, it works. I've done it a half a dozen times. Ah! Ah!

So a naked Danny DeVito is caressing Matthew Broderick. I just want you guys to realize, not one laugh. Yeah, but... Like, not even like a... He's... Zero. He's done that half a dozen times? Or so. Or so. I did want to read this one thing about that scene. The sleeping bag scene is the director's favorite scene in the movie. They did nine takes of it and then discovered the camera wasn't on.

That's astonishing. I wrote as I'm watching this how much they all were standing around the monitors, chuckling, cut. Oh my God, that was so funny. Okay, let's do that one more time. Oh, see, I bet they weren't at all. It seems pretty joyless. I bet they brought, this brought them all to life. Really? They were way too much.

They were loving it. Oh, I feel like the guy, the director, was at Video Village and was like, all right. Okay. And then walked over to where those guys were and was like, guys, that one was great. But let's do it one more time. And I feel like he had to try to convince them. Because in a way, this is a scene that makes Danny DeVito appear actually very lovable. Yeah.

Yep. And I think the way the scene could have played out is Matthew Broderick wakes up, Danny DeVito's on top of him, all over him. Ooh. Trying to warm him up. It's a sexier way. Trying to warm him up. Yeah. We will find out later, but at the time, we don't know what's going on. So what do you think's going on? Well, Matthew Broderick's really resisting and trying to get out of there, and Danny DeVito's like, stop. Who's your daddy? He's not daddy.

And he's getting even more physical with him. That scene could have been amazing. What? What's that now? All right, guys. Would you recommend this movie? We really don't even have to go over this. No, no, no, no. Not in a million years. This is not a classic. Unless you want to watch like sadness on screen. No. I do remember this.

this is the one thing I do remember and I maybe, I'm not exaggerating this. I don't know the exact dates but I remember this movie came out in like November and it was on DVD in December. Like, I know that to be true. Like, it was like something that was like the next week. I mean, I will say, I think I do have a very long leash for Christmas movies. So do I. By the way, I sat down into this with like,

to be whatever but I kind of am a sucker for a shitty Christmas movie I'm in so in that sense I've never been this furious yeah I mean you know me am I usually this yeah actually yeah you are in that sense like and there are some Christmas movies like I told Paul Mixed Nuts is one of my favorite Christmas movies I don't really know if it's a good movie or not I think it is I've never seen that

Steve Martin and I never saw it. Adam Sandler and Madeline Connery. I think it's a good movie, but the Christmas of it all really does take me away to another. Oh, The Family Stone. Oh, The Family Stone. Is that good? Great movie. It grows on you. To me, that's a perfect example of I am certain it is not a good movie. But it weirdly grows on you when it's on cable. But it is a great movie.

And it's a Christmas movie. The Christmas of it is the Band-Aid that makes me think it's a good movie. Exactly. And the Rachel McAdams of it. You sort of give it a little slack. I think you're doing that a little with love, actually. Love it. Although there are legitimately four storylines that are total garbage. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this one doesn't even... I guess in all, I appreciated the Christmas element of it. But what I...

But I don't think I could in good faith recommend this movie. I will also just point out, if you're starting a Christmas movie, what's the best place to start it? In an optometrist's office? I mean, there was nothing even, like, there was no even big fanfare. I'm sort of wondering though now, as I think about that old lady and how she got hit by the snowball, in the beginning, you could quite tell because she's looking at these two lenses and one is obviously so much clearer than the other one. The other one's completely out of focus. But we

But we never really know which one she lands on. And it almost seems like she prefers the out-of-focus lens. And then says, I look hot. And then says, I look hot. But I guess I'm wondering if she did prefer it, and so she really couldn't see. And then she didn't see the snowball? And that's why she was struck by the snowball.

I feel like the snowball came at her fast. Fast and furious. Too soon. Oh, too soon. I really didn't mean to. I really wasn't saying that. Guys, we have to end. Now we have to end. Thank you guys for joining us.

Oh, did not mean to end the show on that kind of note, but give it up for Andrea Savage. She's amazing. And a big thank you to everybody here who makes this show possible. The entire crew and staff at Largo, Cody, our engineer at Earwolf, Avril Haley, who cuts our clips. We have Nathan Kiley, who does our research.

Leanna Waldron, who does all of our graphic design, Katie Dwyer, or Dyer, I'm sorry, Katie Dyer, who does all of our cool social media stuff. Without them, we could not do this show. And without you, we couldn't do it either. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Bye-bye.

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