Matinee Monday: Cats
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Ladies and gentlemen, a special announcement from Andrew Lloyd Webber. Greetings, loyal subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and others. Welcome to this very special edition of Blimey! What could have caused this to happen? I am Lord Andrew Lloyd Webber, the composer of the Broadway musical Cats.

Now what you're about to see is a hilarious skewering of the filmic version of that motion picture! Yes! I of course was involved and expected to make just a ton of money! Before you see this special live podcast...

I'd like to set the record straight on one or two things. There are certain things that the musical, the Broadway stage musical is responsible for, and there are certain things that the filmic adaptation is responsible for. Now then, the Broadway musical is responsible for

Not explaining what a jellicle cat is. Ever. You understand? Entertainment was in its infancy. People were willing to pay top dollar to watch unknown actors put on unitards and paste whiskers on their faces, walk out on stage and say, I'm a jellicle cat, won't tell you what that is, here's me name, here's what I do, and then they fuck off out of it and another one comes in and does exactly the same thing. Repeat. Until...

The glamour-puss Grizabella is raised to cat heaven on an old tire. Now then, here is what the film is responsible for. All dialogue. We didn't have dialogue. On the stage show, everyone was doing cocaine. It was a break from talking. Cockroaches. We didn't have them on the stage. We shouldn't have had them in the film. They just shouldn't be. Taylor Swift's accent. Hmm.

Uh, Jason Derulo. He's fine in the film, I think. I just wanted to do the meme. Mucus. There's an unfortunate amount of mucus in the film. We did not have the mucus on stage. Backstage, of course. Oh, buckets of the stuff. Judi Dench, Jim Halperting into the camera multiple times at the end. I don't know what she's doing. She's a dame. You can't tell them anything. And finally, the...

The uncanny valley of all of it. The weirdness, the terrible feeling in your stomach as you watch it, hoping that these things are not real. Now then, enjoy a little nibble of whatever substance alters your personality completely. Sit back, relax, and enjoy this special live episode of...

What in the world? Did you see that this has come into existence? Is there any explanation? This is Andrew Lloyd Webber, signing off.

Hold on to your buttholes and your cat buttholes. We saw cats, so you know what that means. We saw cats, so you know what that means.

Here's a real question for you, how did this kid pay?

Yes, hello, people of Earth, and hello, virtual people of the world. This is our very first live virtual show. We are in the middle of some intense tech issues. Hopefully, everything will work out perfectly. But speaking of tech issues, what better show to have tech issues than to talk about the film Cats? Because Cats is one giant technical issue. I mean, really, it's...

People, I cannot wait to talk about this film with you. I mean, it is a jellicle night for a jellicle podcast about some jellicle damn cats. I don't know what jellicle means, but tonight we're going to try to get to the bottom of that and so, so many other questions. Let's do it, people. Let's break it all down the best way I know how by introducing my co-host, Mr. Jason Manzoukas. Welcome, Jason.

You. Whoa. Hey. Oh, not you. Wow. Not here. I'm talking to the audience. I'm talking to you motherfuckers who made me seven months into isolation. Watch cats.

I don't have the emotional capacity to have just watched cats. This is an act of aggression. This is the salve that we all need to get through the time that we are in. I swear to God, if someone, if goddamn anybody says the word Jellicle, I'm going to have a complete nervous breakdown. Yeah.

I don't have it. I don't have it left. I don't have anything left to give. And you made me watch what is, like, I think a war crime. It is definitely an assault on all the senses. And I'm saying that in taste and smell, which this movie does not necessarily have. But my senses felt assaulted. I don't. I watched it. I just watched it. I feel unwell. I feel unclean.

I feel like a way that if I felt this way in normal circumstances, I would take myself to the hospital to say what is wrong with me. But I can't do that. I can't just walk into an ER right now and be diagnosed with fucking cat's fever or whatever I just got. But this was a stone cold nightmare.

Well, look, I normally at the top of the show will try to break down what the movie is in case you've not seen the movie. I can't really do that with this film. This is a nothing. I don't understand it. This is not, there is no plot. There is just, this movie is just a series of introductions of cats that then immediately leave the movie. What?

What the fuck is this? What is this nightmare? I will say this much. I didn't realize until about almost an hour and 40 minutes in that there is not a single spoken word in this film up until like one line, I believe. Barely. And it doesn't seem, they don't seem to distinguish between what should be spoken and what should be sung. I was, it's arbitrary. The word ineffable is,

It's sung so many times. You can't put ineffable in music. What are you doing? You can't put, you know, that's a straight brag from Andrew Lloyd Webber. That's a straight brag being like, I'm not going to just put ineffable in here once. I'm going to put it in a lot. I'm going to fucking drown you in dumb words, in dumb songs with basic, fuck.

Look this movie. I wish I'd been able to see buttholes. Give me buttholes. Give me buttholes. Give me pat buttholes that I can watch to distract me from the nightmare that is this movie. We're going to pick it apart and we're slightly stalling right now because June is still going through some technical issues, but I'll say this to you, Jason. I'm on fire. I have so much...

There's so much to say. And I'm so happy that we're doing this in a visual medium for people that are here today. Cause we, we're going to have to, we're going to, I don't want to see, I don't want to have to relook at any of, I don't want to have to look at, I don't want to see cats ever again. I don't want to hear cats ever again. I don't want to hear these songs ever again. I don't ever want to hear the word jellicle or rum tum tugger.

I don't want to hear any. I don't want to hear this. This movie is gross. Not since the garbage pail kid. Have I felt a disgust? And I tell you, I hate those fucking tails and I hate those ears. They're moving way too much. Like, you know what? You would think there would be, you would almost think, Hey, maybe there's something sexy about these cats dancing and walking around and, you know, dancing and doing all their biz. No, there's nothing sexy about these cats.

It is not even, not even naked Idris Elba at the very end of the film. It's upset. Like I was like, Oh no, they got Idris. No. All right. Well, let's bring in a person who's going to have a lot to say. My other co-host, Miss June, Diane, Rachel. Welcome June. How are you? Oh my gosh. Oh, Oh my word. Oh my Lord. We've already been on a journey.

We have. I'm happy to be here. I am. Wow. I've...

I've been over here like a curious kitten waiting to get on. No, June, no. I have, like a curious, curious cat. Oh, no. And I want to talk about the cat physicality. No, June, stop it. Stop it. That happened in this movie and where, because it came and went. It came and it went. Well. There was sort of like, there were no rules to when cats were, were,

were cats and when they were just sort of talking like people. Well, can I just say that the actors in this movie went to cat school? Did you know that they studied cats? They did. I would like to know if they did. It would have been a better if they if they did. It would have been a better movie. I am. I'm going to show you. You're going to show you a walking dead when they go to like zombie school.

First of all, how do you know about The Walking Dead? Huge reveal from you. I mean, this is what you just said was the most shocking thing out of your mouth. I almost feel like we should stop the show to just talk about this right now. I've never seen it, but I did. You know, I have a desire. So what's interesting about that is I have a desire. I have a desire to go to cat school.

I have a desire. I miss being in acting school. I miss being seaweed on the ground and all of the weird shit. You did an acting conservatory. I applied to Cat University and I did not get in. Oh, meow. So I have a deep interest in zombie school. You're a Jell-O no-cat. Go ahead. Take a look at a little bit of Cat School. Oh, God. Do we have to?

Oh my god. Oh my god.

This lovely lady, Sarah, who just makes us super aware of the way cats move and what their instincts are. Sarah, who worked with all the cast over weeks on what we called Organic Cat, which means they're not called Organic Cat.

What does happiness look like? Why was Isabella called the Glamour Cat? And how much of that is left in her now that she's broken down? And how do you put that into a cat? It's very much about the senses. All right, I'll get to that thing up there. Okay, stop, stop, stop. Wait a second. I'm sorry. I am so sorry.

So, okay, because here's, I want to start at the very beginning. I want to stop. I want to stop the whole podcast. I want to walk away. Okay, I want to end this. I thought for sure, this is, the narrative here, the story, what I'm going to walk away with is going to be so much more than about, like the story is going to be much more than just about cats. How wrong you were. But it turns out,

When you say story, June, when you say story, what do you mean by that? Okay, so here's the thing. I thought the story was going to be more about that. Great question. Because I'm asking only because repeatedly through my notes, I wrote, what is the story of this movie? What is the plot that these songs are meant to illustrate? Well, I wrote down in my notes, I said this, I go, can we just stop for a second?

And just comprehend that this is not a bad movie. This is a movie that is a full-on adaptation of one of the longest-running Broadway musicals. This is a, like, they didn't change much. It wasn't like, oh, they adapted it weirdly. This was on Broadway longer than most things ever.

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Real question. I have a real question for both of you. What's up? Going into this movie, did you know that the cats were supposed to be scaled to the size of real cats? Well, that's not true. The...

Cats in this movie are the scale of regular house cats. No, nothing is rightly scaled because sometimes there's like a cemetery plot that's like 10 foot tall and then they're next to... The movie's trying to tell us that, again...

The movie like Hobbit style. That movie also lets cats arbitrarily walk on hind legs and walk on all fours. Who cares? Like there are no rules. But when, when, when, when it occurred to me, when they framed up on, on pieces of the movie where the cats were in scale, when it's, when it's the rebel Wilson scene and she's in a giant kitchen, I was like, no, no, fuck this movie to forever. Fuck everything for like, I don't,

Here's what's so weird, though, because I was watching the movie and I was like, oh, this will... And by the way, I've never seen Cats on Broadway. Has anyone seen the show on Broadway? No, but I've heard it's a faithful adaptation. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so I knew enough. I mean, I was a huge Les Mis fan growing up. I saw the show 16 times. I saw Phantom a number of times, but I did know to steer clear of Cats, like something...

something in my body was reacting to the

to the poster, so I knew enough. Well, we grew up in New York, and I feel like I was inundated with ads when I would watch Regis and Kathie Lee, ads for Broadway. All day long. All day, because it was like local. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. What? Regis and Kathie Lee? Why as a child are you watching Regis and Kathie Lee so much? Oh, it was... I watched Regis and Kathie Lee from first grade on. What? It was the show to watch. It was like, oh, I'm homesick. I get to watch Regis and Kathie Lee. It was like, it felt like late night TV. What?

That show for me was Get Smart, which was on at noon. You're telling me you wanted to stay home sick so you could watch Regis and Kathy Lee? I would wake up on the summers. I would wake up at 8 a.m., head to Channel 7, Eyewitness News, and I would watch Lucy from 8 to 9 or 8 to 8.30 or 8.30 to 9 and then watch Regis.

Okay. Wow. That's mind blowing. So the only way that the only thing that I know about cats is like these commercials that they would air for cats. And it would be like people coming out of the theater and being like, I love cats. Cats is amazing. And they would play the memory song. And there was this like giant flying saucer. And like one of the cats is on a flying saucer and it's like flying up to heaven. And all the other cats are like pawing at it. Like, and I was like, yeah, that image of like a cat. This, see, this was the image that we saw was like that. Our, our,

for years, for a decade, I saw that. And I thought, I mean, I knew to be a bit distrustful of Andrew Lloyd Webber. Like I knew enough after seeing Phantom, I knew that he wasn't where it's at and,

But this, because I kept on watching it and thinking, oh my God, like the musical, this must be such a poor adaptation of what was an incredible stage production. No. But halfway through, I was like, no, there's actually no way. Every song is just an introduction of a cat and every song's lyrics are just that cat's name.

And a couple of other lines repeated over and over and over again. It's like none of the songs illustrate character, illustrate theme, illustrate plot. But in a way, Jason, in a way, as a dog person, in a way, as a dog person, I was like, actually... And listen, I know there's a lot of people watching this show right now, and I want to mind my P's and Q's. But as a dog person, I will say...

A recent dog person. Well, that's all we can say. That's all we can say about cats is their name and like two things. But wait a second. That Jellicle song. Oh my God. That Jellicle song. They're all fucking. Everyone's a Jellicle cat, right? What's a Jellicle? What is a Jellicle? I'm not kidding. What's a Jellicle? Real, real talk right now. Tell me what's a Jellicle. We actually do have a clip. Okay. So I think a Jellicle is.

Because I want to say I didn't do any. I saw the movie. I didn't do any research on it. I really wanted to come here and just have like an authentic, honest experience of the motion picture. But I think you did, too, Paul, because I show up with your little reports. I have I have some reports, but I did not watch the clips because I really want to. How little are your reports, Paul? Are they on tiny notebooks? I would love it if you pulled up like a little tiny book.

Yes. I got a lot of notes. So I know you show up, but when I'm actually watching some of these movies with you, I know you're as baffled as I am. Oh, I'm not. I did not. Here's what I'm going to say. We do have an answer for what a Jellicle cat is. I don't know what that answer is, so I can enjoy this conversation with you. Okay, great. So I think a Jellicle cat is a cat that can be reincarnated.

So, I think a Jellicle cat is a cat that can live many, many lives. And once it's done with its time on this earth, can head out in a hot air balloon and then...

Okay, so I understand that, right? So, okay, so let's say that that's true. So only the Jellicle cats are able to qualify for the ball that gives you some sort of transformative immortality, right? Which they do like once a year, like it's a New Year's kind of tradition. But Rebel Wilson is identified as a gummy cat.

Well, I wrote down a bill. She's still part of the competition, but I think, but I think that, but gummy cats, gummy cats and curious cats and glamor cats and Bravo cats are all jellicle cats because here's my theory. If this is true, I swear to God, I'm capable of murder. Okay. So this is what I think it is. Every cat on this earth has the, okay. I have, I have not watched anything. I've not read anything. I've purposely were, it was like this.

this. I believe this is a story about God. We are all made in the image of God. So we are all evangelical cats. We all can be godlike. That's what I think. And so every one of us can ultimately be in the image of God. You could be a child if you were in that world. We need to also figure out

are humans in this world? Because I have some questions about that. Well, yes, because there are, because that's who throws away the Victoria at the beginning of the movie. By the way, just so you know, Jason, Paul thought that that main cat was Taylor Swift.

for an hour and 15 minutes. - Oh, I didn't think it for that long, but at the beginning, I thought it because I knew she was in the movie. - I still think it is. - Okay, well, Paul thought it for almost the entirety of the movie until Taylor Swift actually came out to sing her song. - The minute she spoke with a British accent, I was like, "There is no way this is Taylor Swift." - Or when she was dancing around on point.

Oh, my God. By the way, why are you why are you disbelieving that if Taylor Swift put her mind to it, she could hit? I am a Swifty. I love Taylor Swift. But what actually the one thing I I appreciate about her is that she's kind of like a gangly, you know, her posture is pretty bad. Like what she isn't is a dancer.

Well, but as far as I was concerned, this movie is essentially made with deep fake technology. It's basically just putting the faces, it's putting the faces of all these actors onto dancers' bodies, right? These people are not doing these motions. Dancers are, and just their face

are being swamped, right? No, no, no. They went to cat school. They went to cat school. The cat school can't teach Ian McKellen and Judi Dench how to dance like these cats. But the dancing is so basic, though. There's one at the big ball scene. At the big ball scene, they're literally going like, one, two, one, two. It is...

It goes on forever. I agree, but I don't think it's that great. I said in my notes, I was like, it's so repetitive. It appears as though children wrote and choreographed all of this. If you told me kids invented cats, I would believe you.

Okay, well, here's what I will say. I want to get to the Jellicle because we are too far away from it. Something we're not understanding. What is so what is a Jellicle? Okay, let me get into that. I just want to just pop one thing that Jason said, which is this.

This is a deep cut, but Francis Ford Coppola was given like $20 million to make a ride for Disney World. It was called Captain EO. It was Michael Jackson, essentially as Han Solo. And that is a cocaine-fueled nightmare where it's like, we're making a Michael Jackson Star Wars movie. And it has the same exact energy of Cats. And I feel like they were made at the same time. And I feel like this is a time when we were giving creators money.

of money and they were just high as fucking kites. And I know that's like a cheap way to say, but I believe it. Paul, this movie came out last year. I know, but I'm saying, but it's an adaptation. It's just that it's there. They're just taking the thing. But I think, Paul, I think that the stage production and having never seen it, I think it's, it's much better.

Because the problem is, here's what's so weird. Like, I can imagine in terms of scale, like, small, like, regular, you know, scale cats. I don't feel safe. Cats. Cats that are made to scale look on stage when you see big, you know, a big, like, fire hydrant. Like, that's interesting. That's okay. That's cool to look at.

The weird thing about this movie is with the freedom of cinema, they don't tell a better story. I do not call this cinema. Do not call this cinema. But I'm serious. If we were to see these costumes... Do not call these costumes. Okay.

Do not call these costumes. Jason, there is not a single body type that looks good in these costumes. These aren't costumes. This is all CG. It's all CG. There's no costumes. Why are you saying that? There's no costumes. There are costumes. They're wearing something over their bodies.

They look like they're wearing fucking sweatsuits. Can I just show you this one article that I pulled up? Because this is actually great. Avril Halle, one of our producers who helps find all these movies, she found this article. I want to show up article two here. This is what Jason Derulo had to say about his costume. So Jason Derulo says, much to his dismay, his penis and cats is smaller than he would have liked. He goes, they CGI'd the dick out.

Rum Tum Tiger thinks that he does not have... Rum Tum Tugger, which is a great character name for someone who wants his dick to be more featured. Here's the thing, though. What's so strange about the fact that you can't see any outlines of genitalia. I mean, I didn't know I would miss it as much as I did. There was something so unsettling about...

seeing humans standing upright with faces and cat ears with no breasts and no genitalia. There was, um, it was unsettling. Also this, I have a question.

What are, what's the, what's the, what's the point of clothes? Okay. Tell me why are they wearing clothes? Sometimes we check. If you are a cat owner right now, check your cat for a full body zipper or, and see if they can be unzipped to reveal more fur, but clothing underneath, because that happens in this movie.

She actually has two outfits on, but let's go. Let's actually answer the question of what Jellicle is. This is this is Judi Dench. I don't want to know. I don't even want to. Oh, here we go. I believe you truly are a Jellicle cat. A Jellicle cat. Why? How is this part of that movie? Wait, what? Wait, she didn't really explain what it is. I guess I'm looking now here.

She just said, I guess she said, I mean, it doesn't really. They don't explain it. You know what? I have an update. They don't explain it. They just say the word Jellicle upwards of 250 times in one hour and 50 minutes. I'm going to say something else. I'm going to say something else, Paul. What I was looking forward to was the music. And there was only...

Oh, one moment in the movie. Oh, I have that ready. But there was one moment in the movie where I really enjoyed the music. And that's when Jennifer Hudson's voice was finally allowed to open up.

Here's the thing. The only time the rest of the movie is people talking like this and saying Jellicle, saying names, saying names of cats. This is a musical. This is a musical. Types of cats. Railway cat. The ball is tonight. Magic is the cat. All different types of cats. Here we go. Up and down. Here we go. Around the town. Cats, cats, cats, cats, cats. Here we go. Here we go. You are a cat. We are all cats. Ring the doorbell. Steal the fish. Now I'm wearing a necklace.

That's the fucking movie. I want to hear singers sing. When Jennifer Hudson sings, it's the only time there is emotion conveyed in the movie. When she sings both times, when she sings outside by the street post and when she sings inside, it is electric to watch because she is so compelling. She is so emotive. And what she's singing, I think, is an emotion-filled song. More.

more emotive than the Rebel Wilson song? More emotive than every single other person who sings because everybody else is just singing. Here we go. We're going over here. Now we're over here. Look in the door. The door is this. And here we go now. What's up? Let's, let's, let's, let's just give, if you ever see the movie, this is the best part of the movie. This is Jennifer Hudson's part that we just talked about here. I'm sorry.

This is beautiful. Fantastic. Unequivocal. It's crazy to see her now. It's crazy to see a cat now, having been away from the cats for so long. Yeah, you accept this is normal. I've been away from the cats now for about almost 24 hours. So to go back in and to see them, this is my favorite moment of the movie. To see them now is so shocking.

Is that Anne Hathaway? I just watched it like an hour ago. So this to me, I'm still inside of it. And it feels to me like, like still like, like, oh, like I'm going to wake up from a nightmare every time. Like I will have nightmares tonight. Oh, it's still going? Yeah. Well, we can, we can end it.

No, it's fine. I mean, listen, we're all in agreement. That's the best part. And I said, I said to you, Paul, last night, I'm sorry. I'm screaming. No, I love that. We're all pointing. So we're all doing it. It's the best.

I said to Paul last night after that song, I said, can you rewind it? I'd like to hear it again. Now, I have had to sit through so many of the films that we've watched on this podcast. And so have I. So much terrible content. You know we all have. But Paul, I know. But the one time I say, you know what? I would actually like to hear that again. Roll the tapes. Please rewind. And Paul said no. Whoa. I could not believe it.

And then Gene got up. Can I ask a question? Is that why you guys are broadcasting from different rooms? Oh, we don't live together, Jason. No, we don't. We have an old 1950s relationship. Shoot. We have two beds on separate sides of the house. What I do hear about couples, though, who live in separate houses and function together as married couples, that is, and I'm not saying I want that. I'm really not. But that is, I see how.

I don't want to like walk this point of sand. I see how it, how it works. By the way, if we did that, you would right now, you would not be on this stream yard. If that was the case. Fair enough. As I'm running, I'm running down the stairs to pass off extra computers. I will say this. I will say this. And then as June said to me, right before the show started, I have been having issues with this computer. Yeah.

I have been. This reminds me. This reminds me. I have been having side issues with my computer. I've been having a lot of audio issues. Here's what I want to say. I did rewind it, or June actually rewound it, and then I went to bed. I was very tired. I had to get up early this morning. And what did I hear? Click, the TV went back on. June found that scene again, played it again three times in a row. And then when that was off,

singing it in the kitchen at like midnight, belting it out. I was in... I mean, it was... Amazing. So here's the thing about the movie. You know, the voices never open up. And that was the one time and I had been waiting for it. And I did...

love Jennifer Hudson's choices there. And when she went soft and spoke it out, and when she opened up there, the only time there was a note that was ever sustained in this musical question mark. I did love it. I think that song is stunning. I think that song is absolutely beautiful. My only critique is that she did...

The only critique I have of this film is that she did the kind of Anne Hathaway in Les Mis, I Dreamed a Dream, like snot running down the nose. Yeah, it was very Viola Davis and Fences, I felt like. Is it snot or was it tears that had run into her? Was it tears that had run into her nose or was it snot? No, that was snot. It's snot. It's definitely snot.

And I feel like, well, just a few years earlier. I just want to make sure. You're saying it's snot, not it's not. No, I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying it's not. It's snot. This is how Gus, this is how our son learns how to blend. It's snot.

No, no, no, June, you would not, you would not blend two different words. They blend the one word. So they go like, it's, it's, it's, it's not. No, it'd be a sn, yeah, snot. There it is.

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I want to just I want to put a cap on what Jellicle means in the chat. People are are are kind of coming at us about what. Hey, hey, audience, don't come at us. I don't need to hear from you. You're all the balcony as far as I'm concerned.

Kristen Marie, Kristen Marie says this. She says the name Jellicle comes from an unpublished poem by T.S. Eliot entitled Policia, Dogs and Jellicle Cats, where police dogs is corruption or poor little dogs and Jellicle is dear little cats. So this is also this is not only a musical. This is based on a T.S. Eliot poem. No, no, it's not. No, it's not. I have an update. It's not. It can't be. It's.

It's not. I'm saying it's snot. It's snot. The poem is snot. Like, it's literally flat. It is an unpublished... What I am saying is it's not based on that poem. Ha ha ha!

Can I just bring up one thing here, too? Because there's so many things I want to talk about. I just felt like, first of all, I feel like there's no fault here. Everyone committed to their roles. And I do want to call that out. I think it's a flawed film. But I mean, like, I'm going to start by blaming Andrew Lloyd Webber. Yes. I mean, like, that's where, by the way, most of the blame. Yes. But I want to blame everyone who read this script and thought,

yeah, I want to do this. This is my next big project. Listen, I mean... You said to me, poor Jennifer Hudson. I looked at you and I said, what do you mean poor Jennifer Hudson? She agreed to do it, got in that suit. But I like her. Well, she wasn't forced. That's what I'm saying. Like, she must have read some... Like, Idris Elba, one of the most in-demand actors, is like, I feel like I got to do Macavity. Like, Macavity is me. Here's what I want to know. And this is for real. And this is a real question for both of you. I...

I hate musicals. Hard stop. Right? Okay. Wow. I'm not interested. What have you seen? Everything. Right? I mean, like... June talked to him about Les Mis. Not interested in Les Mis. Have you seen it? Yes, I have. Have you seen it? Yes, yes, I have. I saw it both on stage and I saw the movie. You shouldn't say that, Jason. I don't enjoy when people...

in the play I'm enjoying, start singing. It seems jarring. - I did notice about you. - And it's unnecessary. You know what? It is, it's not. For me, I'm not interested in musicals. So this isn't for me. - And that's a limitation for you. - And you know what? I'm living in this world. I'm out in these streets hating music. That's okay. - Have you seen "Hamilton"?

Yes, I've seen Hamilton. I thought Hamilton. See, what I enjoyed about Hamilton was it is sung from start to finish. It is. There is no dialogue. So there's literally two lines of dialogue. But there should have been dialogue. Hamilton does a good job telling a story inside of the songs and illustrating character and illustrating theme. Right. There's a story here. Hamilton is an incredibly. I mean, how do you feel about Sondheim?

Sondheim, very interesting. And I enjoy stuff I've seen, but it doesn't connect with me the way that music does or the way that plays do. Somehow the fusion, I think maybe because I wasn't raised with musicals or I don't know what, but it just seems to me like I'm like, oh, here we go singing. I don't need this right now. I like musicals because I think I have my first makeout during a musical. Okay. How do I exit this live stream? Ah!

What musical were you and your mom seeing? We saw. Paul, it is so inappropriate to make out during a musical. It's a live show. There are actors on stage. What are you talking about? It was me and my girl. We went on a school trip. My girl, a VHS copy of the movie My Girl? Uh,

The direct-to-Broadway adaptation of My Girl 2, oddly. I don't know why that got in there. She made out during a live performance of a musical while actors who can barely afford to live in New York City were doing their work on stage in front of you. But now I love musicals. How disrespectful. Do you think we can get... Do we think this woman... Do we think this now-grown woman will call in and discuss the make-out during...

If she's listening right now, I need to hear what's happening to me and my girl, the me and my girl make out. Jim Dale, by the way, it was star Jim Dale. One of your, yeah. Now I'm curious. Yeah, of course. There you go. I remember everything about it. I remember it all.

But here's the thing. Besides me making out to musicals. I'm so upset. I'm so upset. I will admit that I did take someone to Starlight Express in hopes of making out with them afterwards. But that was like much older. I was probably 18 years old or something. Oh, wow. How was Starlight? It was awful, Paul. It was a nightmare because it was both a musical and they were on, I'm sorry, rollerblades? That's next year. Hard pass. Hard pass.

What I love about musicals is that, yes, it does require us as an audience to kind of suspend a different type of disbelief and transcend. And I'm personally ready for that journey. But I've also done a lot of work, Jason. I've done a lot of work myself. Listen, you're brave. June, you're brave. There's things I'm not willing to go in. There's things I'm not willing to open myself to. And one of them is shockingly basic music.

uh, story points, you know, like that does not, it doesn't do anything for me. You know, I just watched, uh, Lin-Manuel Miranda explain on Rishi Kish Heroey's show, uh, song exploder on net. Oh yeah. That's great. All about the creation of one of the songs in Hamilton and it's electric to watch. If you let Rishi Kish, uh, Heroey interview Andrew Lloyd Webber about any of these songs, you'd be like, uh,

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where there are giant billboards from a cavity. I don't think London... I call it London Town. I call it London Town. I call it London Town. I don't think it's a subset of sub-town of London. I think it's just London. UK audience that's watching right now, it's London Town, right? So all in London Town. Um...

But there is a there is a marquee of Macavity. And I was like, is he running for mayor? But is he or is he just running to be a jellicle? Take a look at this marquee. And by the way, if it's I mean, how do the cats afford this? Here's my next question. Why is he magic? Why is there magic? What are the rules? Well, that's why that's the Miscavige cat or the David Miscavige cat.

Where is Shelly Miscavige? Where is Shelly? Where is she? Yeah, pull up that one. Any updates, by the way, any updates on her. Where is Shelly McCavity? She's here watching the show. She's a big fan. She's a fan. And she was like, get me in. I don't even want to joke about it because she is in the hole. Okay. All right. Well, look, so McCavity, there's a wanted scientist, wanted for everything. So this is a world where McCavity is,

There's no humans in this world because if a human saw that, they would be like, wait, we want a cat. And why does the cat look like a, like, I don't understand the world. I don't understand why there's definitely humans because the first character we see in the movie is a human being who steps out of a car and throws the Victoria cat. Who's in a pillowcase into the trash.

Right. And and so that person, human being, is throwing away the cat. So we we can presume that there are humans. Right. Right. You know, like that we know. So we don't really see them again. So that's fine. But we understand that these cats all live inside of a human world because everything is put to scale. Now, my question, though, is why is there magic?

You want to tell me this is what happens when cats are alone? Like Toy Story is the story of toys when the humans aren't around? Okay, this is the story of cats when humans aren't around. Great. Why is there magic? Why can he disappear? Why can he disappear people to a boat? Why? Well, I mean, I do think cats have been imbued with whether they are magical or are not magical. That's not for me.

for me to decide. It's not. It's not. It's just not. But... I mean, without a doubt, that's the T-shirt. It's not. That is the T-shirt. It's already been decided. We will have this T-shirt up by the end of this show. I do feel like there's a long history. I remember distinctly a story my mom and dad told me about when my oldest sister was born, they lived in Manhattan in an apartment on the Upper West Side.

and they had a window in their apartment. It was just a one-bedroom to the courtyard, and my oldest sister Deanna was very young. She must have been about two or three months old, and there was a cat that would come to the window, and my mom was terrified of the cat, like,

essentially stealing the baby's soul. Yeah, that's a thing, right? But that's what I'm saying. There is a lot of lore and mystical attributes when it comes to cats.

Whether that's true or not, it's not. I don't mind that. I don't mind that. And in fact, there is some attention paid to that by the fact that the theater is the Egyptian and there is the cat god perched above that theater. And I think they're trying to make a couple of those things. But it's not backed up by the movie. The movie does nothing to establish the rules of the magic that Idris Elba's character is participating in. And everybody seems...

shocked that he's able to do it. You know, that, that plus the fact that apparently Dame Judi Dench, like a literal national treasure can essentially grant a cat a

to be reincarnated into a different life. Like that, that bit of magic too. I also couldn't quite wrap my head around. Like the goal of this appears to, to be, to, to sing so good. You get to ride the chandelier into the sky. Here, here's, here's my two points on this movie. One,

I think that Andrew Lloyd Webber is, he's seeing into the future. This is a post-COVID world where cats have taken over. That's A. Or B, this movie should have been titled Birds. Because I feel like this is much more of a bird movie because I don't see cats flocking together like this. At one point, the cats... Cats turn on each other. And they all are on a statue at one point. There's a picture of most of the cats. We have that where the cats are hanging off a statue. Cats don't...

climb up architecture like that. Well, they do when they've been choreographed to. You have to remember that these cats have been choreographed

Right. Okay. At Cat University to within an inch of their life in order to, upon seeing fountains, statues, garbage cans, trash barrels, dumpsters to choreograph themselves in a non-dynamic way to interact with these items. I could talk for, I'm going to say one hour with, with, with,

uninterrupted, simply about the James Corden musical number. Okay. I have an issue. I like James Corden a lot. I feel like, I feel like they were like, this movie is not really working. Let's cut to him to kind of undercut the movie because he really just calls out like, this ain't working. And I know it. I,

It is. He is working. And I also like James Corden. He is working so hard. Him and Rebel Wilson are like, let's do it. They're working so hard. And it is the movie is doing them no favors. The movie is actively mocking them as it goes. The James Corden stuff. I don't. He arrives dressed like Mr. Monopoly. No, that's not James Corden. That's Mr. Monopoly. I love him.

It's fine. But again, more magic. Why? Why is he able to conjure? Okay. I know, but that's one song that I did enjoy. His song? Yes. Okay.

Okay. Sure. I didn't, but I understand like, cause at least I understood the goal of the song, which was to, to give him the, to give him the confidence to bring back old Deuteronomy. Right. Great. Fine. By the way, why is her name Deuteronomy? And everybody else is like, bingle bangles, jingle bangles. Like, and like, and that one is like, that one is a Bible. That is a Bible name. Rumble teaser, Mongo Jerry. Like what the,

Okay, so James Corden shows up dressed like he's in a different movie. All the cats are nude and he's wearing all the clothes, right? Well, some of the cats have no clothes on but just sneakers. Some of the cats have no clothes on but a fur coat? Is that the pelt of a dead cat? Oh.

Well, I mean, think about that. Think about how many characters are wearing fur. By the way, this brings me to my Gremlins 2 dilemma. Are these trophies? This is my Gremlins 2 dilemma. Who is making the cat clothes? Because it doesn't feel like it's oversized. It fits the cats. So someone, there is a clothing maker for cats. There is a cat tailor. There's got to be. We never go there, but there's got to be some sort of cat equivalent of Gremlins.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. This is what's weird. And I know I'm circling the screen and no one can see this, but there are certain cats here that look like they do have like the outline of breasts or pets or whatever. For sure. For sure. You know, but then there are certain cats who don't. And there's also in this frame cats who are.

100% hind leg walkers and also cats that are 100% all fours. All fours, yeah. Which seems to me to be indiscriminate, basically. If you want to be on all fours, great. If you want to be up on your hind legs, that's okay, too. I mean, listen, I don't ever want to see a cat just up on its hind legs. Just walking around. Walking around. Here I am. If I had a cat and I was like, here's my cat. No. No.

No, thank you. I'd be like, get this demon out of my house. Can we talk about the cat orgy? I won't even play the sound that loud. I just want to look at it with you guys. This is the cat orgy right here. This is the most sexual scene where all the cats are. They're all high on Taylor Swift's catnip, I think at this point, right? Which no, I don't think this is that.

Okay. But when they're when they are summoning the, I think next, this is Jellicle cat. This is when they've just entered the theater and they've all fallen into this syncopated thing. She's just learning it, Victoria. And, and so, but this is like the most sexual, this is the most sexual. Look how basic this is. This is, this is cheer was better than this. Yeah.

See, and they really seem like they're getting off on this moment. I feel like this is, I mean, are cats even sexual? I don't know. Well, I mean, what are you talking about? Wait, wait, wait. That's a wild question. Are cats even sexual? Yes. I don't know. No, that's not like a known thing. Well, look, I think dogs. I think what you're saying, though, is like, yeah, you see dogs humping, like whatever. You see, you know, rabbits are known as sexual things.

I feel like I've never seen cats have sex with each other. Cats can be, but can't cats be like in heat? Isn't that the thing about cats? I know dogs can. I don't know that about, I don't know that about cats. I'm pretty sure cats get horny. No, no, no. Cause the stork brings the kittens, right? That's the whole idea. The stork brings the kittens. Oh, Paul. Uh-huh. Okay. Right. Yeah. We're going to have to really unpack this. There's like a little magical flying cat. It's really weird because I actually, I mean,

This is, listen, again, I know I want to mind my P's and Q's, but I was surprised. I think of cats as female for whatever reason. Okay. Interesting. And I don't know if anyone else. And you think of dogs as male? Yeah. Yeah.

You know what? I think I genderized them as well. That really, yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. When it comes to animals, I don't see gender. They're all just animals. Really? That's wonderful. I don't know why I do that. I don't think I just know it more is dismissive of animals than anything else. I don't see them as having souls.

I don't. I was surprised to see male cats. Like, I actually, as I was watching this, had the thought, like, are there male cats? Of course there are. Right. But I so think of cats as, you know, demure and, like, editorial in their choices. Editorial. I mean, I will say. They seem so monotonous.

much more feminine to me. Yeah, cats have given me some of the best notes on scripts, I will say. In an editorial sense, they're very good. Well, I mean, one of the cats cut jaws. They say yes, they say no, they decipher. Really smart cats. I mean, there's so much going on here. I think it's smart if we maybe...

Go to the audience a little bit to kind of look at what they're saying, because I think we'll cover some of the things that we have. People have typed in their questions. The thing I wanted to say, just very briefly, when we showed the picture of James Corden is when we see James Corden first, here's what happened. Can you pull up the James Corden image again, if possible? Yeah, we'll get that out. When we see James Corden first, he's wearing this top hat, a waistcoat. He's wearing all of this stuff, right? Then he leads them through a door and then they all help him take his clothes off.

which forces me, the viewer, to now think I'm looking at a naked James Corden. Yes, I felt that too. You've put that, this movie put that into my mind and I don't want that. And not only that, but like everybody else is naked too. Yes. Like now I'm uncomfortable with what I'm seeing here. Yeah, when the cat shows up in clothes, it just forces me to think everybody here is naked. Here's a little moment. This is also weird. Oh, Paul.

I don't like this one bit. I don't look. Okay. Now I want to pay close attention to the cake.

That's scale. Like that's the cheat cozy and the cake. Scale is wrong though. Whoever did scale did not understand it. They didn't. Because if that's a slice of cake, Jason, that cake would be, that slice of cake would be this big. I believe it is. Which would mean a cat would be enormous next to it. But it's the size of her legs. It's the height of her, almost to her waist. I feel like they interviewed somebody. It's not. That's my point.

problem it's just to her calf yes it's too big and i believe in the background i believe what they did is i think they hired i feel like they hired um like someone who got fired from lord of the rings like oh wow you know how to do scale key yeah you know how to do scale right and yeah yeah yeah and got fired like the first week into lord of the rings i need this movie in the bottom right hand corner to always have a key so i understand in this scene the cat is this big compared to a piece of cake

In this scene, compared to a piece of cake, a cat is this big. We can break it down. I mean, we should be breaking it down. Somebody should break it down because it is a wild, it's wildly bizarre to watch these cats in some scenes feel like they are the size of human beings. They hold the space of human beings and they seem to engage with each other the way human beings do and then have them dance around in sets that make them appear to be teeny tiny house cats. Well, now I'm actually wondering like,

what did you say that's a tea cozy what is that that's what i assumed it's with a cake it's a knit thing i assumed it was a tea cozy but i don't know frank do we have cozy go around a teapot or does it go okay can you go back to that picture for a second this picture is the rosetta stone for this movie one all right here we go please can we go back to the picture please

Okay, so wait a second. That's a teapot? I don't know. Because I think the spout is right there in the front, if you can see right here. It's a knit teacup. Oh my God, this is so wrong. So that's a teapot. You can't see what I'm pointing at. But I believe this is like, because I think she's standing in front of a teacup and saucer.

This is actually more upsetting the more I'm staring at it because first of all, she just, I mean, by the way, I think the reason why we're not noticing is because she just ripped off her cat skin to reveal her identical cat skin with like a more flashy outfit on. And I,

I gotta say, I'm looking at the size of the light switch behind her too. And I feel like that, yeah, that's wrong too. Okay. Okay. So here's standing here. She was sitting here on this live stream. If she was sitting here, that teapot, a teapot in a cozy would come up to her caps.

And we haven't even spoken to the true insanity, which is if you look at her feet, she has just, previously she was not wearing any of this. She was just fur, covered in fur, which she unzips to reveal this. But what we see on the ground is her initial fur is lined with the purple material that her outfit is made out of. So she's wearing this around the house. So she's wearing a fake fur.

fur outfit that has a material lining so that she can take it off to reveal this outfit on top of her real fur. Right? Wait, wait a second. Hold on. What are those things? Are those hands that came out of, what are those things? I know you can't see what I'm pointing to. I believe those to be her hands. Yes. Those are the hands of the fur suit that she took off. Yeah.

No, she has hand. First of all, I want this. I want this. And by the way, June, I feel like if this was a sweatsuit made by Claire Vivier, you would wear this like cat sweatsuit.

Like if there's a way that we can make these and sell them on TeePublic, let's please do it. - How did this get made? All needs to dress up as cats. By the way here, I wanna do another perspective thing. Here's the cats on the statue because this is another way of mind warping how big the statue is. Can we pull up that picture real quick of the cats? - Okay. This is not helpful. - All right, so this is another version. So this is a giant in London town. This is a giant- - It's just London.

In London town. Good old London town. There is Prime Minister Alan Partridge. There is a... There...

But I don't understand. But the way they are in front of this statue, the statue is like, I don't even know how to describe it. Which is, by the way, a cat. They're in front of a cat based statue. Yeah. Molly, can you find out how big this cat is in real life? Molly, our super producer. Stay on this picture for a second, though, because I am. And listen, all bodies are beautiful, but it must have been in some ways, I think if

I had been in this movie. I wasn't asked, obviously. I wasn't. Oh, they begged me. They begged me. Nobody asked me to submit a tape or. I was supposed to be the guy who threw the cat. But I said, I was like, I won't. I want to put the real human being in a bag and throw that. And they're like, no, no, no. We're going to have it.

a different perspective. I said, no, no, put a human being in the bag and then I'll toss it. And then I, that was a disagreement. Here's the thing. It must've been freeing in a way to work on this movie because it's like, I, if I were there, I'd just be eating up a storm because even when you're looking your best, like even when you're keeping it right and tight, you're,

You still, your body will look like shit. Like nobody, these costumes are so unforgiving. It's, it is, it is awful to look at, which is why I think some people, which is why I think some of them were like, you gotta give me a coat. You gotta give me a coat. Oh, I would demand it.

I am talking. And now we got some real stats on this cat. This cat, the statue in London is 20 feet long and 22 feet high. So now one of these characters is standing and is almost halfway to its beard. That cat is at least 10 feet tall. No, you are wrong because look at where the camera is. Okay. The camera is low and the person is close. The perspective is wrong, right? Oh no, I'm looking at the person behind that person. Even if you look up top at the cat,

that are sitting on top of the lion's head. They're so small up there. They're not that small. But no, look, if you take your fingers to them and you measure, like this is one, this right here, that's one cat. That's the size of one cat, not even standing up. So this is the size of one cat standing up. All right, so this is the lance. It's 22 feet high, June, and we're on the ground. This is the lance of your lion. We're on the ground. Shh.

looking up 22 feet. This is the land seer lion in Trafalgar Square. So this is a 20, 22 feet high statue. We're trying to figure it out because we have to often remember. So the camera is the ground. We're looking up 22 feet, which is basically two stories.

So those little cats up there compared to train tap dancing cat, why pants and no shirt? Everybody else. We're wearing tops and no pants. That's everything. According to this scale that I'm looking at right now, and I am taking into consideration that the camera's on an angle and I'm looking up, but according to this scale, from what I'm seeing and what I can lay out and the legend I can make in my mind, these cats are minimum, minimum,

Five feet tall. No, no. June, I agree with you. I'm on June's side. These cats. What are people saying in the chat? This movie would have you believe that these cats are the size of ordinary house cats, period. That's what this movie is positing. I agree that it's positing that, but based on the actual scale of this cat.

Let me be clear. The movie is unsuccessful on every level, including scale. But that's what they're trying to do. But I agree. It is unsuccessful. Yes. Oh, I'm not ever going to argue that this movie is successful on any level. Hard stop.

Like this is an unmitigated failure from start to finish. And it is wild to watch. We are getting some responses in from the, from the audience here. And we're going to start going to their questions as well, but I want to see what they think about the size. Like how, how tall do you think a cat in this movie is? How tall do you think a cat is? I think at least five feet. Let me just say, I think one of the thrilling things about this,

I think one of the thrilling things about the live show, from what I remember of those... The Regis commercials? Yeah, and by the way... Oh, look at this. Put that a little bit closer, June. This is a picture of June with Regis.

Whoa! How is that available? So it's really weird that this is out. I just found it in this notebook that I was holding with my notes. Very weird. It is. It's a long story about why I tried to dig this up, and it was in this notebook. But Regis had a book out. I mean, if you lived on Long Island, Paul and I both grew up on Long Island. Yes.

You loved Regis. I worked out with Regis's trainer. I worked out with Regis's best. This man was the best. The best. And when I was in eighth grade,

I went, he was at the mall and I went to see him and get an autograph. I don't know why I had both hands on his shoulder. Is he wearing a Hawaiian shirt? Can I ask you, June, was he trying to get away? He does not. Was he trying to get away? You're going to sit right here. You're going to stay right here. There is literally a secure mall. And I went to go see him and he was lovely.

There is literally a security guard behind June right there. All right. So the chat is chiming in here. Uh, they're saying, uh, the cats in the lion's head are as large as his head. My name is Jamie is saying the cat on the head should be smaller than the lion's head. Uh, snug says I have climbed those lions and the perspective is totally bleep, bleep, bleep here. Um, this is a five foot tall cat. That's a WTF says I agree with June geo storm, geo storm, uh,

sermon says as a veterinarian, these cats are not to scale. That's a vet. Of course they're not. Wow. Okay. Now listen, here's what I was going to say though, from the commercials Paul and I saw growing up, part of the thrill of being in that audience of cats is

was that from what I remember, Paul, in the commercials on Regis, the cats came into the audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It was very much like... The cats came up to you and went down the aisle and came at you and that was really... and stumbled up on you. Oh, I would love that. I would love to pet a cat.

Like a human cat. Me too. Sweaty cat. If a cat touched me, I think I'd throw myself off the balcony. I would be like, that's it. I want to make, I want to, I want to start a Kickstarter to bring you to a cat's live. Once the theater comes back, the first thing that you're going to do is see cats live.

Cats has been closed for a few years now. No, but I'm sure it's traveling around the country. The idea that Cats was for many years, one of the longest, though it was in fact the longest running Broadway show in history is to me mind scrambling because my assumption is this is a faithful adaptation of the songs contained within the play. Yes. So with one additional one.

Okay. There is an original song by Andrew Lloyd Webber? Yes, he wrote a new song for the actual movie. I will tell you, it's a little bit of my research here. This is not my cheating, but this is... When I realized that each song was just another cat's introduction, and then those cats would then basically leave...

You know, that each thing was a lateral move, not forwarding the plot at all. And the...

The Victoria is Cynthia Erivo, right? Yes. That for her, she is just like everywhere she looks, someone's pulling her in a different direction. I couldn't tell. What did she want? Like, what did anybody want other than to win the ball and become something else? Well, here's what I think. I think that that that why I'm calling her Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer Hudson, Jennifer Hudson, I think, is a sex worker cat.

Right. And I feel like Macavity is kind of abusing her. And that's how I kind of viewed her. And so it's sort of like Judi Dench saw her and it's like, you deserve to have a new, fresh start because you have been forced into this sex work against your will. And now I'm going to give you a fresh life. You can live in a house like Rebel Wilson lives in and you can teach the mice to have a band. Like, I felt like that's what I was getting. Where does she go at the end?

She goes in that balloon to a new world? Or maybe to heaven? Does she die? Is this about nine lives? Is this about cats having nine lives? People say she dies. I thought too that she dies. So it's like that's the great relief. The great relief is they have nine lives. Oh wow, they go to cat heaven. To come back eventually, I think. I'm sorry, so that they all

compete in a contest once a year and the best one gets to die i mean i get it if i was living in this cat world i'd be like get me out of here good good good good i'm ready to go what do i got to do that chandelier and send me up let's get to the questions here from the crowd because we have a lot of great questions lined up here we're going to pop them on the screen steve shepi asks what kind of fur are the cat's fur coats made out of this is interesting because the cat fur that

I already said it. I think that's got to be dead cats. So here's my question. What part of their costumes do you think is CGI? Obviously, they're taking out genitalia. But sometimes I thought they weren't because there are times where the male cats are just sort of in shadows down there.

Well, I'm guessing my, you know, just like in my kind of if if I'm thinking practically in terms of making this movie, my guess is everybody is wearing like a green screen jumpsuit. No, I think they're I think they're wearing is CG. I think they're wearing actually a little bit of cat fur here. By the way, look at this.

I mean, because I think headwise, I think their makeup is done, but I think everything below the neck is CG. I was on the set of a very big Marvel film and I met...

Danny Jr. for the second time in my life. And, and he, his Iron Man. Can you produce a picture? Do you want to tell the story about the first time? No, I don't. No. Cause I feel like, no, the, I, I, I, but when I saw what his Iron Man costume was, I was shocked. The man is in essentially like a beautifully comfortable black outfit with like one little, like black,

giant necklace that looks like the Iron Man shield in front. Like, there's no costume on him. So maybe you're right, Jason. Maybe there is. I think, because my thinking is, and this is why, I think that

It would have been different. I think they purposefully designed these cats to not have genitalia, you know, and the butthole cut is a whole thing. And we can talk about that. But I think I think in all likelihood and maybe I'll be proven wrong and maybe the boards are going bananas right now. But my I suspect they did make up.

on their faces. And otherwise, everything else is green screen. Everything else is... Okay, if that's the case, if that's the case, then this photo, then if I were this cat, the white cat, Victoria, I would find the CGI person and shoot them. Because...

They did her so dirty. They made everybody's body look like human bodies. I agree. In unflattering. Sexless. Sexless. Yeah, sexless human bodies. Just so you understand, apparently this article in the Daily Beast that came out in 2020, it took six months to produce the two minute trailer. And then they were only given four months to make the entire film.

So the special effects took six months for the trailer and only four to do the two minutes versus like almost two hours. Yeah. They were spending 90 before that too. 90 hour work weeks, 90 hour work weeks, sleeping under their desks to get the film done so much. So, and I think we've heard this at Christmas. Yeah. They rushed it to Christmas and, and like they left things in like Judi Dench has a wedding ring in at one scene. And, uh,

And then like, and then they had to like switch it out. Like she doesn't have a Paul. She has a regular hand. Ian McKellen is, is wearing a Gandalf's hat in one scene. They basically like, they were trying to get it out so quickly. And then they sent like other, uh,

Like they sent updated cuts to movie theaters being like, replace it, replace it with this one. It's crazy. I'm remembering this, you know, like all because to me, all the tails are digital. All I don't think they're wearing much of anything, frankly. I mean, maybe, maybe in moments they are, but I really think I, I, I suspect everything is fucking nonsense. I mean, listen, it's interesting to see like what happens to a face, like a human face when you lose ears. Yeah.

You know, I didn't know they were as I didn't know they were. Yeah, I thought the tales were disgusting. The tales felt like dicks to me and it made me gross every single time. Not just ears, but also eyebrows to to take eyebrows away. I makes them very difficult to read meaning into expressions. And what I would say is throughout this movie, with the exception, again, of Jennifer Hudson,

There is no emotionality in any of the cats because they've taken away all of our expressive elements, our foreheads, our eyebrows, all of the things surrounding our eyes to clue us into what people are thinking or feeling. By the way. So what we're left with is these smoothed out, weird cat faces and lyrics that are emotionally zero. They're nothing.

Well, let's take a look at what some pre-CGI cats look like. Here we go. This is pre-CGI. Oh, wow. You're right. So they were wearing no fur at all. They're just in green screen suits. Ian McKellen is wearing. What did I tell you? Yes. Wow. Ian McKellen is wearing his jacket, of course. But yeah, they have nothing. Wow. I'm now kind of impressed. Yeah, they're in big fat suits and all that sort of stuff. But no. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Wow, wow, wow. Look at Andrew Lloyd Webber with his Starbucks. Come on. Look at... That's what they had to wear. That's... If someone said, hey, come be in my movie, this is what you have to wear. Immediate hard pass. Just kidding. Please put me in a movie with one of those. But...

I mean, look at this. What? I mean, you know what? And I'm going to say this is why they all did this really well because they didn't know what it was going to look like. And they felt like, oh, it's going to look great. And I think this is how you get people done dirty because you go like, oh, it will look great afterwards. And it doesn't. And it looks almost more silly. Oh, look at this. You know that if you were on this set, you would be like, oh, no. What is going to happen? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I mean...

Okay, I just, can I pause for one second? Yeah. She's standing in front of bar stools. That's the scale. Oh, you're right. Cause her head is touching the top of the bar stool. But even at that point, if a cat, if a cat was head was touching the top of a bar stool, that's like on its hind legs on its hind legs.

If a cat was on its hind legs standing up, I guess? If a cat was to stand all the way up, I think a cat would be almost at the top. You're probably right. We were wrong. I don't think it's right. I'm not saying it's exact, but that's what they're trying to tell us, you know, is that that's a cat on its hind feet and that's a bar stool. I mean, what's happening? When we leave this tonight, when we click leave meeting tonight,

I'm going to be alone in my house as I have been for seven months with only the nightmarish visuals that I have been forced to consume for you, for you 10,000 assholes out there.

Fuck you. Let's get some more questions in here. Let's see what else we got here. This is a good one coming up. Mittens Moyer asks, boobs, why? Both my cats are female and they don't have boobs. Great question. You're right. We did talk about this a little bit, but they kept the boobs and they took out the genitalia. Why do they give them boobs? What's weird is wouldn't they have six boobs?

Wouldn't they have like a cat has like a cat has like a bunch of nipples, right? Yeah. So why aren't, why, why don't the cats, why don't, why doesn't Judi Dench have like six nipples going on? Why doesn't anybody have nipples? Where are the, where are the nipples?

Where are the nipples? Never mind the butthole cut. Where's the nipple cut? But the problem with the nipples is because the cats are upright so much of the time, we would be staring at six nipples, at multiple nipples. You'd be staring at nipples constantly. Constantly. And they couldn't do that. Here's the thing. I blame them for a lot. I don't blame them for that.

Well, it was. I mean, I know we touched on this at the beginning, but it was surprisingly gross. Like seeing those tails move independently of the cats, you know, seeing that the cats move this way and then the tails move that way. It was...

I don't like it. All right. Next question. I will say I didn't like any of the feline movement. I didn't like it. Listen, here's an example, right? I know. Are you a cat person, Jason? I'm not. I'm more of a dog person than a cat person. I don't I don't if somebody has a cat, I don't mind it. You know what I mean? But I'm I'm I'm not a cat. I'm not an animal person, if I'm being honest. Wait, I thought you like dogs. I do. I love a dog person. Yeah, look at this. OK, so you're a dog person.

Look at this. This is going to be a great. Here's my dead dog. Here's my dead dog. Turkey, the dog. Yeah. So cute.

What a beautiful baby. I will say that I can wrap my head around and fully enjoy... I know I said I don't like musicals. I can fully enjoy Singing in the Rain, right? What an incredible... Beautiful, beautiful movie. What a beautiful, incredible movie. Something where the song and dance really enhances the movie and enhances the story and helps illustrate character. All this stuff. Great. Love it. Okay. This...

These cats dancing around is not exceptional dancing. It's not interesting movement. The feline movements are jarring and uncomfortable to watch human beings writhe around on the ground. It looks, June, like what you're doing, which is it looks like an acting exercise. It is an acting exercise. This is an actor's exercise. This is clown class. Next question.

Uh, Katie asked for Jason and your expert opinion, which cat was the sexiest? This is a good question here. Oh, uh, without a doubt, Dame Judi Dench period. Okay. Yeah. I actually thought Mr. Mistoff. What's his name again? Mistoff. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was a pretty sexy cat. Really? I thought he was the one that's the least sexy because he's wearing all that magician outfits.

All right. Interesting. I thought, I thought, I know. I mean, I thought like, I didn't think here's the reality. I didn't think any of them were really that sexy. I think the movie, the movie, I think many of the actors in this movie are sexy people. I think Jason Derulo is sexy. I think Cynthia Erivo is sexy. I think Taylor Swift is, I think these are sexy people, but this movie doesn't help them at all. I think Jennifer Hudson. I mean, I mean, I don't think these are unsexy people. You know what I mean? I'm just saying,

Listen, I think the male cats are sexier than the female cats. I agree. Their bodies work better for it. Yes. Is that, yes, their bodies, their shapes work better as cats and...

They just translate better into cats. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But so none of them... The answer is none of them really landed as sexy. I want to end our audience question part with an observation that Dirty Flamingo made. Can we pull up this thing? Not a question, but an observation. The suits are green and the screens behind them are green. That would be impossible to key. The CGI team must have remade their whole bodies from, I think, from scratch is what they wrote. But yeah, if you look at that, that is...

That point is so smart. They're in green screen on green screen. Yep. Oh boy. This movie was doomed to begin with this movie. I mean, it looks like they're having a hell of a time. I really want there to be a documentary about what a nightmare it was to make this movie. Yes. Because it must've been. But by the way, we've been, look, I think that we've been unfairly kind of like ragging on this movie. And I don't know if we actually know why,

Like what the true intent will ever be. But it is now time for a second opinion. And we have now gone to you, our amazing audience, to sing some second opinion songs. So without any further ado, enjoy you.

Introducing this segment. I don't trust Tom Hooper, Taylor Swift, oh can't you see? You're the actress starring in my bad dreams. Second opinion, some of them are out of hand. Pure genius or roller coaster made of rubber bands. Oh, this movie isn't good. Memory, want to erase all my memories of this town.

movie it was truly so wrong but if you click on over to Zahn you'll find a second opinion

All right. Those are some amazing second-opinion songs. And by the way, brief. We never get that when we do the show live. These are five-star reviews culled from Amazon.com. Oh, that was funny. There are 6,984 reviews of this film. And this has about a 3.3 out of 5 stars. 40% of them are five-star reviews. Wow.

But while some of them are cheeky, they still express some very genuine love for the movie. So and by the way, this is from Nate, Nate Kiley, one of our great researchers, friend of the show, worker of the show. We love Nate. He says, look, Paul, there are some furries reviewing this movie. So here we go. I can see that. Yeah. So, yeah, let's see here. All right. This is from Daniel B. Lyle.

Despite its PG rating, there's a lot of T and E in this movie. Tails and ears. An additional major character throughout the magical journey is the T and E. The tails move along like the amazing dancing and cat-like, while marvelous ears twitch and shift, and they're totally lifelike. I liked it. I'm watching it many times over. Five stars. So this review was titled Delightfully Magical T and E. Um...

This one from Michael. This one is, The journey is the reward. At its core, it's a wistful story of the naivete of youth, the melancholy of aging, and the self-imposed damnation of regret, the blessing of friendship, and the nobility of sacrifice. Because in the end, all we're left with is our memories.

Five stars. The movie is the show. Wow. That's pretty deep. Yeah, pretty deep. And then this is a very long review, which I'm going to kind of compact down from Sinsman Poe. Sinsman Poe writes this. Tom Hooper.

and the entire cast and crew of cats should be very very proud of what they have achieved i wish growled tiger's last stand including the ballot ballad of billy mccaw would have been more thoroughly included albeit in a reworked manner to remove its offensive elements

As it is, I don't know what the offensive element of Growl Tiger's Last Stand or The Ballad of Billy McCall is. I am thrilled with my purchase. An ardent fan of this film. I'll be watching it over and over again. One element about Cats I feel is important for viewers to know, yet is not really stressed enough in my honest opinion. Do you have young grandchildren that you don't get to visit quite enough?

Do you have nieces and nephews that are growing up quicker than expected and you find yourself wondering, will they think kindly of you in the future since you don't have the time to spend with them? Well, how could you handle this? Well,

T.S. Eliot created the character situations in poems for his cats for this very reason. He was a grandfather who wasn't able to see his grandchildren often enough to suit himself, and he created this elaborate world as a bonding mechanism, which they could all enjoy each other's company from afar. Imagine the joy they must have felt, the anticipation for each- Are they cats in this scenario? Imagine-

Imagine the horror. Imagine the horror they felt when their grandfather sent them these stories. Imagine what nightmares they must have produced. It goes, the anticipation for each subsequent letter as the story unfurled itself and each character was born. I, for one, think it's a beautiful gesture. T.S. Eliot, despite his faults, must have been an amazing grand father.

father. That is a five star review right there. Wow. I had grandkids. If I had grandkids without a doubt, I would rather read to them from Stephen King's it than show them this movie. Yeah.

Like I am. Yeah, I am not saying this is this would fuck me up if I saw this at a young age. Oh, God. Yes. This would really. Oh, yeah. This is I mean, I want to read the letters now. I guess I'm going to have to get that book and read to our children. So don't say I can't. Mrs. G writes this.

And I think this is kind of a slam. G from, from, from the facts of life. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both. You can sing. That's a, that's talk singing. That's not real singing. This is a G. This is the title of this is called enjoyable entertainment, which is kind of the most base thing you could say about entertainment. It says Idris Elba as Macavity could have, uh,

stolen the show, but he didn't. He held back and fit in perfectly well with the rest of the cast. No one was overshadowed, anyone else. And the storyline altered a little to make the movie easier to understand. Five stars.

easier to understand. And also like you're saying, like, I love the idea that strong disagree. And, uh, and finally, I'll just end on this last one from Casey, which is, uh, I just, I'm not gonna read the whole review. Casey Wilson. I wish it just friend Casey Wilson. It just says this one must approach this movie. She's writing, she's writing five star reviews under her own name. She's written a lot of them. I mean, look, it says she was one must approach, approach this movie with an open mind. Think of it as looking at it. Uh,

think of it as looking at a Jackson Pollock. It's messy. It's horrible. It's intense, but boldly confident. And then it's, this does sound like Casey. And I actually agree with her. This movie takes a swing and maybe it's unfinished. Like,

And maybe they needed more time, but it does take a swing. And that's the thing that I did appreciate about it. I agree. And it took a bold swing. I'm all in for bold swings. That's why I enjoyed this movie. And Casey just said this one thing that I've never heard. I'm going to embrace this as something I'm going to say a lot. It was like being on a roller coaster made of rubber bands.

And that to me really feels like five stars. That feels to me like the perfect description of this movie, a roller coaster of rubber bands. Holy cow. Well, we've really, I mean, we've dissected a lot of this film. Um, and I think before we kind of wrap up with our final thoughts, there might be one person out there, uh, who has a couple of thoughts. Um, and I would love to throw this over to this one person, uh, who has just more,

wants to kind of engage us with this. So take a look. Hi, Jason, Paul and June. I miss you all very much. But this is as close as I'm getting you. It looks like I'm going to talk about cats for a moment. I watched tweeted about as I was watching it and was quite frankly, just shocked by it.

It was a weird film. Sure. Yeah, there was a lot to process. I think the thing that was maybe the most consistently weird thing is the scale of the movie. The scale...

It's weird. And I did research online and it told me that the sets were built to a 2.5 scale, which means that the cats would weigh around. That means a cat's like 60 pounds. All right. I dropped out of high school. But it's bigger than a fucking cat. And I don't know what a Jellicle is. That was insane. Having not seen the Broadway musical, it was objectively crazy.

And also, like, I've always thought, like, Broadway musicals are not funny. But, like, when you go see them at Broadway, everyone's laughing. And I'm always thinking, like, if this was a movie, no one would laugh at this. And this is a very good example of why that is a correct thought for me to have. The visual effects are weird. And the other thing I learned after tweeting it is that all these cats had buttholes. And it was...

very very close to the release of the film that they got rid of the buttholes so somewhere there is an entire cut of the film with where all these cats have buttholes cat buttholes and if you watch the movie through that lens it's again even fucking crazier

The pants logic is wildly inconsistent. The clothes logic is inconsistent. I agree. Judi Dench is wearing a fur coat at one point, which is crazy. Because that'd be like wearing a human flesh coat in our world. Yes. Agree. Yeah. They all went to cat school. That's the other thing that's fucking nuts. They went to cat school for like weeks to act like fucking cats. Yeah.

I would have quit this film if the director asked me to go to cat school. Oh, my God. I miss you all. You're wonderful. Oh, my God. I've been enjoying the show. Thank you for getting me through these dark times.

I love it. We had to get Seth in here. We had to get Seth in here to chat about it. I mean, like, and really, it's really bringing up a lot of the salient points that we have highlighted. I mean, everyone, the coats, the scale, all of it, you know, like none of it makes sense. The rules are. Wait, am I to understand from Seth's video? By the way, this is what the chat is saying right now. So great to see Seth's.

Seth's face. But I might understand. Okay, team scale. So did he say when it's two and a half to scale? So the cats are 60 pounds each. Yeah. So I know like our dog, Meatball. I was going to say that's like half your dog. I'm fine to put on screen, by the way. Yeah, we got our dog. I'm fine to put on screen. Can you get him on screen? I mean, I don't want to mess up. But our dog, Meatball, is...

Um, let me see if I can get a shot of him. Uh, well, that's going to be a little hard because I'm all like attached to wires, but our dog is 90 pounds. He's enormous to the point where people see him on the streets and stop because they're stunned by what they're seeing. I feel like this, a 60 pound cat would be like a Panther.

You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's a 60 pound cat. Yeah. That's a 90 pound dog that's on my lap in that photo. Like a cheetah or a panther, like a jungle cat or a, you know what I mean? Like that, a wild cat is probably 60 pounds. Yeah. That's a, that, I mean, a cat like that. I'm glad that Seth did the research that we couldn't quite put together. That was really important.

He seemed haunted. He seemed haunted by the memory of having watched this movie. And I feel like he watched it a while ago and it seems so alive. Oh yeah. Total recall. And it seems so alive for him.

Yeah. Oh, because my zoom light just went out. I'm so sorry. I know I look like a monster. You look beautiful. I know just lost half the audience. Cause my zoom, my ring light went out. Well, let me, let me ask you this. Would we recommend this movie? Jason, would you recommend the film? No, do not watch this movie. Don't watch this movie. Or if you really need to, like you, you, here's what I will say. You can fast forward.

You can fast forward because most of the songs are repetitive and the choreography is bad. The movie, you're not missing plot points because there aren't any. So if you want to see what's up because you're like, I don't know, I want to see what this craziness is about. Go ahead. But it is nearly two hours long. It should be no minutes long. It is unpleasant to watch. It is unsettling. It will haunt my dreams. I don't want to be left alone in this house with my purchase of cats.

for fear that it will turn itself on without me wanting it to be on. Like, I don't know what to do with this existence. We are in spooky season right now, Jason. I don't have the emotional capacity right now. I don't have the emotional capacity to have watched Cats. Yeah. Really? This is a hard time. Oh my gosh. All right. So June, would you recommend this movie? I actually would.

And mainly because I'm so upset I look so much better without this fucking ring light on, Paul. I'm never letting you set that again. Well, I think that you understand how the ring lights work. I didn't know. I was trying to help you out. It was way too bright. Do you want me to turn my lights off? No. Everybody else looks great. I'm now seeing that I should have tested some lighting here before it sat down. I tried to do my best.

I know you did. Thank you. So I would only for Jennifer Hudson's rendition of Memories. Memories. Yes, because she really did something else and she did what she had to do. And I thought it was wonderful. Again, I listened to it three times and then sang it myself. So just for that number alone, it's

I would watch it. I thought it was, I thought that was just great. Yeah. I, and I, I agree. I agree with you a hundred percent. I think we all agree. Her performance is the only performance in the movie that is even close to working and it's wonderful. I will say this. We watch so many movies on this show and very rarely do we find something that is so uniquely interesting.

Like this goes in to me, the pantheon of the Miami connections, the rooms in the, because it's not as enjoyable as those. Absolutely not. But it's as mind boggling. I think you and I, June looked at each other so many times. Like,

what are we watching? Like, what are we watching? This is of, and unfortunately right now we're in a time where we can't go see it publicly. I know the Alamo draft house had these like rowdy screenings that apparently are so much fun. That is how you should see this movie with people. You need to look and embrace it. I mean, there is something on screen that is worthy of,

Stop. Hold on. Yeah, you got to get your eyeballs on. I highly recommend it. It's on HBO Max now by the time you're listening to this. So why not enjoy a night, a beverage of choice, whatever you want to take, a pill of choice, or if you just want to watch it straight, it's fine. We watch it straight. A pill?

A pill. Take a pill. Give me that pill. Get that pill. Give me that pill. Take that Matrix pill. Well, Jason and June, this has been so much fun doing our first virtual show. Thank you to our amazing audience. I want to talk about a couple things before we kind of wrap it up. But at first, just want to thank our amazing team behind the scenes. Everybody at On Location Live, they really helped us so much get this thing together and convince us this is something that was great to do. But

The team that is so close to my heart is the team that produces the show every single week. And that is our amazing producer, Cody Fisher. Just awesome.

Awesome. We love Cody, our sound engineer, Devin, who's going to have a hell of a time putting this together as always, but is a master. And Molly Reynolds, amazing, amazing job. A big shout out to Nate Kiley does all of our research. The ghost of Craig T. Nelson, who does some of our amazing animations. And so Kyle Waldron does amazing animations as well. We have so many great people. I've already talked about Avril Haley and how great she is, but.

Now, I just want to draw our attention to two quick things. Number one, there's a special episode of How Did This Get Made that is available right now. You can only hear it by downloading it. All the money is going to When We All Vote. You go to hdtgm.com. All the money is going there right now. It's a special episode where we do the Transformers films, and we actually talk to the people who terrorized us by sending us over 100 copies of that film in the last two years.

anything else that you all want to plug? I'm wearing a hat that says vote. And if you're in the States, I'll say that. Yeah. Here's what I'm going to say. We're having now just watched cats. Our friend from comedy, Brett Gelman did a stage show for a long time called 1000. Oh yes. That I believe exists online because he shot it for funny or die. So I think there is somewhere like a 20 minute,

cut yes a bit cut together and it is it is brett gelman and it's doing it is brilliant and he is basically what this which i didn't realize it's a savage commentary on this because it is him i'm so introducing it's a one-man show where he introduces 1 000 cat it's amazing baby cats meow baby cats

I'm cat number one. It's all musical theater tropes. It's all cat tropes. It's really very funny. I'm sure it exists somewhere. Yes, Brett Gelman's 1,000 Cats. I just tapped it in online. You can see it. It's on Funnier Dive Presents on HBO, but you can watch it right here. You can see it online. It's one of the most amazing things. So, so good. One of the greatest things I've ever seen happen, both live and online.

we, we, we've all done the Telluride comedy festival before. And one year, Brett Gelman came and did 1000 cats in Telluride and the audience revolted against him. The audience of like, listen, I love, love, love. Wealthy Telluridians was like, no, we don't want this. I mean, Brett Gelman is in a unit, a black unitard. That's like, like, it's like a woman's unitard, like a dance unitard.

leotard where sort of like half of his shoulders, a real scoop neck. I mean, I'll never forget the image of him in that. It is. This is 22nd street UCB. So this is probably 1999 that he did it. And I was like, it is a, an incredible show. So very much worth. I'm glad that you, where did you said it's, it's somewhere. If you type in 1000 cats online. Oh, great. And you can kind of find it to see that. And it's interesting. Cause 1000 cats, like,

I love that show so much. We are the robot cats. I mean, I remember lines from it. It's so good. And it has what this movie does not, which is also just a sense of joy. Joy, yes. There's nothing joyful about this film. And that's one of the reasons why I actually do love musicals, because I find them to be joy-filled. And this film, there's not...

There's not an ounce of joy in any of the numbers. It is really actually quite depressing to be with these cats. I mean, I never knew what was going on with the cats, but to be with them in the dark, grim London streets at night was quite depressing. While they're basically chasing the dream of death.

You know what I mean? Like that's the story of the story of the play appears to compete for the right to die. Get us out of this horrible, horrible existence in which they seem to have the run of the land. But that's neither here nor there. I'm like, what are these cats know that we don't? I mean, I don't know. I'm getting I want to honestly I want to stop talking about this.

I want to give a shout out to our friend of the show, Kate Ward, who recently just had a basically had COVID and really is recovering right now and is just a friend and a fan of the show. And we see her tonight. So thank you, Kate. I'm glad that you are feeling better. And we are just sending you a lot of love. Please wear a mask, everybody. Please wear a mask. Please wear a mask. That brings us to the end of our live show again.

Big thank you to Paul F. Tompkins as Andrew Led Weber and Seth Rogen for calling in with his second opinion. People, if you like this live show, we had so much fun doing it. We're coming back in December to do two back to back live shows. That's right. Two live shows, two different movies on December 11th and December 18th. Each show is only $15. But if you buy a ticket for both, it is only $20.

$25. Two amazing Christmas movies we'll be talking about. One with Melissa Joan Hart as a baker, so we're bringing her back into the Christmas mix. And another one with Vanessa Hudgens, who falls in love with a Christmas night. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. Go to HDTGM.com to find out more information about both of those shows. And...

I just want to let you all know that if you buy a ticket for the show and you can't somehow make the live performance, it is available for you to watch for 48 hours after the live show. So you have all weekend to catch up and watch a show if you can't make it live. Although we love having you live because we take your questions. We do fun, fun stuff with the audience. And like always, we cut out a little bit of the show. Now, I know we talked a lot about musicals today, but if you like documentaries, well, you're in luck.

I directed a brand new documentary for Disney+, all about the obscure characters in the Marvel Universe. Now, you don't have to be a fan of Marvel. You don't have to know anything about comic books. You just have to like interesting stories. And this documentary series, where there are eight new documentaries, all on Disney+, under the title Marvel 616, is a great way to get into the Marvel Universe.

I directed the one called Lost and Found. It has Jon Hamm and Nicole Byer, Rachel Bloom, Jack McBrayer, and so many more. Plus some of your favorite comic book creators like Reggie Hudlin and Donny Cates and Jerry Duggan. It's really, really fun. I had such a great time getting going deep, basically, into the world of Marvel and having all those people help me launch a brand new Marvel franchise. Check it out only on Disney Plus. Marvel 616, my episode, Lost and Found. And

Just a reminder, you can always follow me on Twitch. I'm just twitch.tv slash Paul Scheer. Rob Hubel and I host a show every single Thursday. It is so much fun. Jason has been a part of it. June has been a part of it. You will see us popping up and we're going to be doing some other fun things after Thanksgiving and into the holidays. So keep your eye out on that. If you want to

weigh in on this show. And I really do want you to weigh in on the show. Please, please, please do. Tell us what you think about this episode by joining our mini episode. Or you could just talk to me about your weird family at Thanksgiving. Give me a call at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619-

Paul asks, you can talk about anything and everything about cats or your life or your job or being stuck at home in quarantine. I am there for you. Let's do this people. And a big giant thanks to everyone behind the scenes who puts this show together. I'm talking about our super producer, Cody Fisher, who organized this entire thing. Molly Reynolds, who is working diligently behind the scenes to make sure all the clips and everything went off without a hitch on our first very live virtual show. Of course,

Devin Bryant, our engineer supreme who makes this all sound good. Even when June was talking into an iPhone like microphone, it was very bizarre. And a huge shout out to our producer, Averill Hallie, who picks all of our movies. I mean, this is a no brainer, but she is absolutely amazing because not only does she pick our movies, she picks our amazing clips and Nate Kiley for his

research. I mean, on this one, there was so much. He did a bang-up job, as always. A big tip of the hat to Zach McAleese and, of course, Kyle Waldron, who do some of our amazing art, which you can find on our Facebook and Instagram page. And while I'm talking about that, please remember to rate and review the show. We

need it. We love it. It helps other people find the show. Keep on telling people about the show. If you liked our live show, tell other people about it. We love doing them. We are so excited to spend some more time with you live virtually in December. Anyway, people, sign up for our mailing list, stay on top of everything, and we will see you next week.

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