Last Looks: Shark Attack 3 Megalodon (w/ Jordan Morris)
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It's Twister. It's a Twister. That's right. Today we are talking about Twisters, fiber optic cables, and would Jason accept a kiss from me? All this and more on today's How Did This Get Made? Last looks. Hit the theme. Just when you thought it was safe. This time it's personal. It's hot. It's summer. Sharks. Sharks.

Hello, all you mama megalodons and elderly male tea drinkers. How are you? I'm your host, Paul Scheer, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Shark Attack 3, Megalodon, a movie that Discord user GrazeTeahound thinks should have had the tagline, We all die on a yellow submarine.

Or should I read it like, we all die on a yellow submarine. I don't know why I put a British accent on that. Anyway, people, here's the deal. Today, we are going to do the normal stuff. Corrections and omissions. Plus, we're going to give you an exclusive deleted scene from Shark Attack 3. But...

Even more excitingly, we're going to be welcoming writer, podcaster Jordan Morris to the show. Jason and I are going to have a chat with him about everything. What has he been up to since our Skyline episode? We're going to get the inside scoop on what it was like to be in All About Steve. Plus, we're going to talk about his graphic novel youth group and get into the

I mean, we get into a lot. We get into ska bands in a little bit. Anyway, that will be coming up in just a little bit. Plus, we will reveal the movie for next week's episode. But a first thing first. Well, it's not even first. It's like fifth at this point. A big shout out to the Action Jackson 5. I love that name. That was a truly amazing,

electric opening celebrating our hot shark summer edition of the show. In a couple of weeks, you're going to see hot shark summer taken over 42nd street as our, how did this get made? Billboard is going to go up celebrating all the shark movies that we're doing all summer long. And here's the thing. I love opening themes, but you know what? Maybe it's time for us to settle down and pick one and

We're going to pick our favorite one for a limited time, and that will be our new opening theme. But don't despair because you can still send in themes for corrections and omissions. You win nothing songs and just chats. Okay. Send them to how did this get made at earwolf.com, but keep them short. 15 to 20 seconds is best.

Now, what's going on with how did this get made? Well, we'll be back in New York City on Friday, November 15th for the New York Comedy Festival. Tickets are available right now. Use the code NYCF. Okay. Just go to hdtgm.com for the ticket purchase link. Again, that presale code is NYCF.

Also, Jason wanted me to let you know that season two of Star Trek Prodigy is now available on Netflix. So if you've never watched it because you don't have Paramount Plus, you can check it out on Netflix. And guess what? What's that? Oh, it's just a twister. How do I know? Because I'm in the movie Twisters. Very small part. I'm not going to tell you when.

Well, I can tell you when the very last scene. So check out twisters this week. And while you're waiting on the line for hopefully sold out shows, as I enter into my summer movie era, why don't you bring a copy of joyful recollections of trauma? You can also be listening to it and I can also personalize the book for you. Just go to my website, find out where I've left signed books, how you can get a personalized signed book. And if you haven't bought the book, why not people?

Why not?

No, it's been amazing. I've been so overwhelmed. Thank you for all your reviews on Goodreads. That has been amazing. And I'm giving away a free book on Storygraph, which is like a competitor to Goodreads. So check that out as well. All right. Last week, we talked at length about Shark Attack 3 Megalodon. We had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here's your chance to set us straight. Fact check us if you will. It is now time for Corrections and Omissions. ♪

Corrections and omission. Corrections and omission. Corrections and omission.

Thank you, John Cohen, for that theme song. Let's go to the Discord, Sean McBee. How is it that when the Mama Meg got blown up, John Barrowman wasn't floating in a giant sea of gore? There wasn't even a hint of red in that water, as if the torpedo, which had been fired from a sub that would definitely not be equipped with torpedo tubes, just atomized it. You know what?

Well, the answer is CGI, but no one has brought up that that sub would not be able to have torpedo tubes. I want to give you points for that, Sean.

Maddie Ice writes,

How did this get made royalty? You know what? You made me remember that review. And here is a little clip of me reading his second opinion review for Bloodsport. So enjoy. This one is probably my favorite one to date. Five stars by David Wirth. And it goes something like this. Of course I'm going to give Bloodsport a glowing review. I was a cinematographer. Oh, my God.

John Claude Van Damme's breakout film and I was thrilled to be a creative part of it. I also, it worked out so well that two years later in 1988, I was once again back in Hong Kong with JCVD as the director of Kickboxer. The budgets of both of these films combined were less than $5 million. They still do a ton of business worldwide, became martial arts classics, and launched the career of JCVD. Not bad for the price. Five stars. Like,

That's, really think about that. He's on Amazon writing reviews for movies he's worked on. You know what? That is why when I rated Twisters on Letterboxd,

I gave it four stars. I'm not going to give it the full five. And I have to say, many people really complimented me for that. So there you go. DrGuts1003 writes, this film was produced by New Image, a production company that was founded in part by three former associates of Canon Films. New Image went through a few name changes over the years, but eventually became Millennium Films, which produced other How Did This Get Made films, including The Wicker Man, 88 Minutes, and Drive Angry.

Okay. Dr. Guts with the facts. So what we're basically saying is this is like the Miramax of Canon, like the Indy arm. Okay. We got one phone call, so I'm not even gonna make it like, let's go to the phones. I'm just gonna say, John from Massachusetts. What up?

Hey, Paul, it's John from Down by the Water in relatively shark-free Marshfield, Massachusetts. You mentioned that the end of Shark Attack, that last line is, Megala who? And I think you would agree with me that they missed a perfectly good opportunity to have that last line be, Megala done.

Love the show. Kiss Jason for me. I will not kiss Jason. No, I will. By the way, I'm not weird. Jason won't let me kiss him is what I guess I'm wanting to say. Anyway, yeah, you fucking nailed it.

I guess that's a Megalodon. I like that. I like that for the end of the movie. And it just goes to show you how much time they spent on the script. Let's go back to the Discord. Corgi Herder comes after me. Paul commented that fiber optic cables wouldn't need electricity. And while that is true, the cables themselves don't need electricity. Undersea fiber optic cables need repeaters to amplify their signal. So they actually do carry electricity. Now they're...

have been recorded incidents of sharks and other sea creatures biting cables. And this goes back to the 19th century when they were laying down telegraph lines across the Atlantic and sharks were actually attracted to these lines because of the electric current. The film has a kernel of truth. So that's in there. But these incidents are so less common today because cables are better armored than the standard practice now is to bury these cables a few feet in the sea bed.

Well, Corgi Herder, you came after me. So you know what? I'm taking you off the list. You're not going to get the winner of the week. I'm sorry, but when you come for the king of corrections and omissions, which I guess is me, unless it's too good.

No chance to win. JXL writes, along with being a sloppy beat-by-beat remake of Jaws and having Captain Pendeo rip off that bit from Seinfeld where Kramer steals the other folks' lobster traps, Captain Pendeo's story arc

either intentionally or inadvertently rips off Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China in that we follow him around. And while he is the lead character, he is completely incidental to all the action sequences taking place. JXL, I say nay. Anyone with a line like he has about what he wants to do when he's so wired, that honestly, we don't need him to do any more than that. He did do something.

All right. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one. And that one is the one caller, John from Massachusetts, with a brand new end line to Megalodon. John, you win and you get this amazing song from Garrett Parker. People of Earth.

You win nothing. Thank you, Garrett, for that song. Remember, if you want to submit an alt movie tagline or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up the discord at discord.gg slash HDTGMR calls at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Coming up after the break, Jason joins the show for a chat with Jordan Morris. And as always, I will announce next week's movie. But first, I want to close the books.

on Shark Attack 3 by playing a few more of the amazing second opinion songs our audience sang at the live show. Take a listen. And now it's time for second opinions. Hi, I'm Ethan and I don't have this accent so bear with me. A megalodon is an aquatic dinosaur. It's a gigantic specimen of what is known as shark life.

They're attracted to licky electricity cables that run straight through what is known as shark life. John's got great instincts, so he gets in a submarine and fires a torpedo at himself. He loves every bit of it. Shark life. Why is everyone so horny? You should cut down on your sex life, mate. Have a cold shower. Shark life.

get eaten everyone's eaten and the shark keeps changing size every time it bites five stars amazing thank you Ethan great work and now it's time for second opinions Grace

Amazing. End.

I'm speechless. Great length. That was the perfect length. That is. And that was so good. Now it's time for second opinions. My name is Simon and I'm representing the balcony. They like them. Please feel free to join in if you know the refrain. Shark attack. Captain Jack. But five stars. Probably not.

Baby sub, do-do-do-do-do-do Random church, do-do-do-do-do Random boobs, do-do-do-do-do Sharks don't growl Aramund, do-do-do-do-do-do Makes cat cum, do-do-do-do-do-do With her tongue, do-do-do-do-do-do He's so wired Deep blue sea, do-do-do-do-do-do Is more for me, do-do-do-do-do Or Meg 3, do-do-do-do-do-do With the staph

It's up to you. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Megalohoo. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Second opinion. Yes!

Oh my gosh. Great job. Diamond hits it out of the park two nights in a row. I'm shocked. I'm shocked we went through all of them before someone did that song. I know. I didn't know how much I needed it actually. We got Brit pop songs. We got hip hop songs. And we got that at the end. I was certain that there would be every one. That's great. But you know what? He closed it out just like that great line closed out that scene.

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Jordan Jesse Goh, he also wrote the Eisner-nominated graphic novel Bubble, and his second graphic novel, a YA horror comedy called Youth Group, just came out earlier this week. To play us into today's Just Chat, here's a new ditty from John Cohen. John, two, two themes. Love it.

Jordan, welcome back to the show. You might remember Jordan from our Skyline episode. Or you might remember him from his star turn in All About Steve. Thank you. Yes. Oh, God, that was a dream project. Love, Sandy. We've been looking for another project to do together. Do you want me to do my famous line from All About

Yes, do your line That's one of the many reasons that the audience has been clamoring to have you back on Please can you deliver it? Of course, yeah I know why you asked me on Okay, and I'm happy to do it Excuse me

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Wow. And it's so interesting because you've now been living with it for so long. It's interesting to hear how their line has changed in your understanding and your interpretation. It's kind of like watching an actor revisit a stage role. Many years have passed, yet you bring something new to it, but also something that we love about the original performance.

That reading, though, also sounded like it was informed a little bit by Fred Schneider of the B-52s. It sounded a little bit love-shacky. This glue is making me high.

and bring your glue box money. The glue trap is a little old trap where we will chew our legs off. It's a song for mosquitoes and flies. It's the Weird Al version of it. Yeah.

You see them all stuck on a glue trap. Now, Jordan, since you last visited us, you were already a staple of one of the best podcasts out there. Jordan, Jesse go still going on, still going strong.

And that's I feel like that's a podcast, Jordan. I feel like I heard you on podcasts before we started. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. How long has that show been going? At least 16 years. Yeah. 16 or 17 years at this point. We were the first podcast, you know, much like the Velvet Underground playing CBGB. Yes. Inspired everyone. Andy Warhol put you guys together. Yes. Yeah.

Exactly. And no. So, yeah, we started podcasting early. Jesse Thorne and I, we did college radio together. This is the sound of Young America days. Yeah. So our college radio show. That's the first time I ever heard you was on the sound of Young America when I lived in Brooklyn. Got to be 1999. No, 2000, maybe. Yeah, that that that that tracks. So, yeah, it was a little later than that. But yeah.

It, it broadcasted all of 37 feet in Santa Cruz, California, but it did have a very early, like real player streaming, uh, component to it. So I think, yeah, it's possible you could have listened. Um,

Yeah. And we were just kind of goofing around and interviewing comedians we liked. We were comedy nerds. So, well, I remember it was a big deal because Human Giant was featured on The Sound of Young America. Yeah, that was kind of I think after the Santa Cruz days, but it was also in this zone where it was like that was our Terry Gross. Right. It's like, oh, if you guys approve of this, then we are in.

Yeah. So, so yeah, that was kind of like how we started, you know, goofing around via audio. And yeah, when, when Jesse and I graduated, we moved to LA and he had the kind of beautiful idea to do our old college radio show as a podcast. And there just weren't a lot of them. It was a very like

niche very nerdy world it was like us and mac tips and harry potter fan fiction and that's it like those were the podcasts wow so yeah and we're still we're still chugging along and modestly popular but here's what i'll say that show legendary but now you come back to our show

as a two-time Eisner-nominated writer, right? Your graphic novel, which I love, Bubble. Yes. And also, you've been writing for Archie Comics, The Chilling Adventures, as well, right? Yes, that's true. You know, you are now... This is... I think we all have multiple things that we focus on and do. And I feel like you've really been embraced by this world. You've written great stuff, but it's really interesting to see.

Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, I know Jason's a big comics guy. Paul, you've also written comics too, right?

And the book was a funny book. Don't get me started. Don't get me started on these Italians. Like Mike Mitchell of the Doughboys says, like Mike Mitchell says, you can't trust the Italians. You just can't. Why are these characters waving their hands everywhere?

But that was the hardest thing. I really loved, you know, it was just hard to communicate. But I feel like you have this amazing relationship with, was it Bowen McCurdy, right? Yeah, the artist on my new book is called Youth Group. It is a YA horror comedy about teenage exorcists. Yeah, kind of based on my experience growing up in like a goofy Bible study where, you know, youth pastor with a bunch of tattoo sleeves, like turns the chair around backwards and

tells you about a pretty cool guy named JC who was kind of the first punk rocker, if you ask me. You know. So yeah, I had one of those guys and yeah, I'd kind of always wanted to write about that weirdo little world. And like, of course, I love horror comedies. I love Shaun of the Dead and Buffy and thought it'd kind of be fun to, you know, mash in some horror specifics into that weird little world. And yeah, the book is Youth Group and the artist is Bowen McGurdy, who does a great, uh,

uh horror comedy series called specter inspectors uh cool some kind of similar demon fighting exorcism themes in it um yeah and they just did such a beautiful job with the book it's it's a lot of like character-based comedy and they're they're teens so they're having like big teen feelings all the time and like bowen's characters are just super expressive but you really like them um

Yeah, the style is kind of like anime meets early Disney. It's just gorgeous. And this is just so people know, because maybe not everybody listening is comic savvy or anything like that. This is a graphic novel. This is this is when it's out. We can read the whole thing. It's not something that comes every month or anything like that. Right. This is the book. So get it now and you can read the whole story. It's not an ongoing thing. It's not a you know, I mean, it's not like a little floppy comic.

Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, you don't need to know anything going into it. You don't need to have read, you know, Detective Comics 835 to understand what's going on. But the introduction of no, I'm just kidding. Great. If I knew a specific about it.

Detective Comics 835. That would have been an amazing poll. When Asriel dies? What? The introduction of Huntress? But I will say that what is really kind of cool about it for Jason and I, who are very vocal Buffy fans, it reminds me of Buffy in a way, like this book. It's got this kind of fun, like what looks like a normal on-the-surface youth group is

is tinged with this, uh, like demonic possessions and exorcisms. And there's a, a CD underworld, uh, to a very nice looking outside. Yeah. Yeah. And something, and, and it is set in the nineties I should mention. So, um, yeah, there's, you know, puka shell necklaces and giant pants and, uh, uh, a few references to smash mouth in there. Um,

But yeah, I mean, there's pagers. There's pagers in there. There's pagers tech. There's pagers. Yes. I'm curious, Jordan, was that an effort to kind of dial into your experiences from your childhood so you could play in that? Or were you trying to be like, I don't want there to be phones and GPS and all of the technological stuff that mystery solving in modernity is really just about tech or

versus in the 90s, if you wanted to solve a mystery, you're still talking about shoe leather. You gotta walk around, you gotta do a stakeout, you gotta do it practically and physically. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think we all know at this point, like, cell phones and the internet are just like awful for storytelling. Yeah, it creates so many plot holes. It's interesting, so when I first pitched the book to Calista Brill over at First Second, they're the publisher of the book, great publisher, love all their books,

Um, the pitch was set in modern day. So everybody had cell phones and there was the internet and stuff like that. Um, but Calista is like, Hey, we're, I want to do this, but, but why don't you set it in the nineties? I think she could tell that like, um, you know, I was drawing on a lot of really personal specifics. Um, and it was interesting reading it back and,

The first time I got the pencils back, that's kind of the rough sketch of the book that you read for the first time. I was like, oh, wow, this is really personal. And I didn't really know it, but I was just putting in a lot of my childhood anxiety and the feelings I was having as a kid whose family was kind of falling apart. And so I just put in a lot of real world stuff. And when I read it back, I'm like, oh, wow, this is very confessional. I even kind of thought about your...

book recently, Paul, because you're a funny guy who makes everybody laugh on this show and all these other places, but you have some super personal stuff that's out there now. And I feel a little bit like that as a guy who just wants to do funny stuff, but now I have this little bit of me that people can read about that is pretty vulnerable. Well, I think it's always the hallmark of something that's really...

that goes to the extra level, which is sort of like, it's, it's not this generic, like, you know, you're not writing about like youth groups because you, you've just read about them or you've been, you, you, you know, this world, you know, these things, that personal element to it, these things that are going on, I think you can tell. And that's why I think people like this so much is because it, it's what makes it incredibly unique. It's like, yes, you might've heard of these things before, but it's going to be told through an eye that is

incredibly special. And, uh, well, it also like, it rings just more true, you know, and you can, when you're, when you're just like, Oh, wouldn't it be funny if I did a story blank? Yeah. It is actually like, Oh, let me, you know, they say, they always say, write what you know or whatever, but the specificity that you can bring to an, a loose and even loosely autobiographical story, it are the specifics that people will gravitate to.

rather than just the manufactured stuff. I feel like those little kernels that feel real or that feel authentic or that feel lived in, those are the things that I feel like become the immersive elements of any story. But now let me ask you this, because this is the question I've been thinking about this entire time. You're telling this story

And I love the style of this. I think Bones did an amazing job of this. But Bones is 26, right? And I imagine her version of the 90s is... I mean, is she even born at this point? Probably...

I mean, at the tail end of the 90s, right? Yeah. So it's interesting. In the back of the book, there's a little like spread from the yearbook that Bones drew. And it's gorgeous and it's funny. And the publisher had the great idea to stick actual photos of us.

in there in the little yearbook montage. And so I found these goofy photos of myself from high school where I've got a giant wallet chain that's down to my knee. I am wearing a ska band t-shirt. What band? Oh, Safe Ferris. Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah, you have to. One of the great hosts of ska bands. Yes. You know, and just being kind of an embarrassing drama kid. And Bones just has a photo of them as a baby. Yeah.

Oh my God. I love that. Yeah. Um, yeah. Holy shit. And so part of our creative process, like before we started working on it, bones asked me, would you send me playlists for each of the characters? Like YouTube. I love that. And like, so we have like a stoner character and his playlist is all sublime three 11 smash mouth. We have kind of a gothy mopey characters. So it's like nine inch nails tool, deaf tones. Um, and,

And so, yeah, it's a good way to get into a character's head. But also, like, because we were doing it on YouTube, you get to see all that fashion. You get to see the giant pants. You get to see the wallet change. You get to see the Birkenstocks with socks. Just all the... Wow, that's interesting. I love that. It's a great technique, yeah.

I love that building the playlist. That's a blast. Have you published the playlist? No, you know, it's a good idea. We should do that. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to steal your idea, Jason. Yes, I'm going to find a way to put the playlist out. Please, it's not even my idea. That's just like that to me. I would love to read a book that had

that to me had a component that I could be like, wait a minute, I can put on a soundtrack for this book while I read it? Fuck yeah, I love that. Something I discovered, so we have a character who's kind of a like,

uh, peppy, like class president type kind of in Elle Woods type character. And like her playlist has on, you know, like pop music, it's got spice girls and Hanson. And I'm like, Oh man, Hanson fucking rocked. Didn't they? And I was a punk kid, so I could never admit that. But Hanson,

I loved revisiting Hanson. I was so wrong back then. That's like great, great pop music from that era. That's like, you can't, that's like incontestable. Well, you know what's so interesting to me? I feel like when you're in a school environment, you draw these lines of who you are by what you like and more importantly, what you don't like. And I've been really interested to watch my sons. My one son is 10. The other is seven. And I,

A lot of my 10 year olds friends unprompted will say Taylor Swift sucks. Like it is a, a rallying cry that I've heard so many times. And my son is like, I, I like her. I'm not a big fan, but I like her. Right. So he's not like on the, she sucks bandwagon, but I'm, I'm also thinking like, oh, it's going to be interesting for these kids to look back and go, oh, yeah,

I might have been wrong about that, right? Like, I look back at Hanson. I'm like, oh, Hanson seems dumb. It seemed dumb to me. We're roughly the same age. It's like, but you hear it about now. And so, oh, this is like, this is good. There is talent here, right? And that's the thing is, like, I feel like you get stuck in a...

I'm a this, I'm a, you know, I'm a punk ska kid or I'm a, you know, what I, what I was an alternative indie kid before that, you know, tipped, you know, uh, into Nirvana and becoming popular and stuff like that. I loved the alternative, the stuff that I could hear on college radio or, or whatever. Um, but then, and so like something like popular top 40, if, if Taylor Swift existed, then I would have been like, Oh no, I don't like Taylor Swift.

Not because I didn't like her music, but because she personified like top 40 radio. Right. You know? Well, now here's the thing. And I think we should all do this. Safe Ferris is playing out a lot, by the way, this summer, big time. They're out and about like they're like tour dates. Non-stop. I could see them being on one of those tours. That's like, there's.

12 bands. They each play for half an hour and they all had like some modicum of success in that, in that era. And so now they all gather together. I mean, this is the tour that you can go see here in Los Angeles. Uh, uh, gold finger, save Ferris, unwritten law and urethane. Uh, not like, not, I know what you're talking about, but not like, no, no, that's not what I'm talking about. Yeah. It's interesting that they are there. Jordan, will you be going?

Oh, to that? Hell yeah. Oh, what a day. That's, yeah, absolutely.

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But I do love all that sort of stuff. I think what's kind of interesting with your book is it will have that kind of cross section. Like, yes, if you're people of our age, you're going to enjoy the book on a certain level. But I think one of the coolest things is working with somebody like Bones to, I think, bring in

to bring in today's 14 to 18-year-old, like, you know, that group. Because that, I mean, that's, you know, that's a big audience. And I think it's the way that... Well, going after that, you mentioned Buffy, but going after that Stranger Things, going after that audience that is tuned into...

scary, spooky coming of age stories. You mentioned earlier, all the afterlife with Archie thrilling adventures of Sabrina, like all the, you know, what, what's a, forgive me, Jordan, you'll know the guy's name who runs the Archie imprint now, uh, who does all of the, uh, Roberto Aguri Saka.

Thank you. Who's done such an incredible job with Francisco Francovia and all sorts of great artists and writers doing wild takes on the Archie story. Well, that's like who did the Flintstone ones that I really like? That's Mark Russell. Mark Russell beat us for the Eisner. Son of a bitch. How dare you, Mark Russell. But you're going to be also going to some cons, right?

I am, yeah. I'll be at San Diego Comic-Con. Where are you at in that? Are you going to be in the Artist's Alley? Where are you going to be? Are you in? Oh, yeah. Artist's Alley, baby. Why don't I get my panel information? Oh, yeah. Yes. I'm assuming Hall H. Yes, Hall H. I will be moderating the Fantastic Four panel. Yes, finally. Slipping in references to my book when I can.

No, I'm doing a great panel on 7-26, July 26th. It is called Using Fantasy in Graphic Novels to Understand the Real World. And I'll be doing that with Luyan Pham, Vera Bregosi, and Gene Luen Yang, who I think is one of the greatest comics makers out there today. So yeah, we're going to be doing that 1 o'clock, room 23E, ABC. So I hope people will come by. I'm curious, Jordan, who

are you, because I've been to many cons, and I always try and go and walk through Artist Alley. Who...

At this point, either have you been or are you excited to see or meet like in that comics world? Like when I met Chris Claremont and Bill Sienkiewicz at New York Comic Con like 12 years ago, I lost my mind, you know, just because those are those are the guys that to me were my childhood, like the New Mutants, the Demon Bear Saga, like that era of comics.

is so massive to me. But are there people like that for you that you've now gotten to interact with or that you see and are like, oh no, I don't want to, I can't, it's too much? I mean, I jokingly

you know, jokingly curse Mark Russell, but he, he's a, he's a goddamn genius. He, so fantastic. Yeah. I, I, I did, uh, you know, a couple of drinks and go up to him at the bar and say, way to kick our ass, Russell. I think he also didn't know who I was, did not, was not aware that he had kicked my ass. Which book of his did he win for? Uh, he won for, um, not all robots, uh,

Okay. I read that book. Great book. Yeah. Funny, satirical sci-fi thing with a world full of robots.

I am really psyched. I have gotten really into Josie Campbell. Do you know the writer Josie Campbell? I don't. Please tell us. She does a great series called I Heart Skull Crusher, which is. I do know that. I do know that book. Yes. I'm sorry. I didn't know the creator's name. And she's the also the kind of like showrunner of the My Adventures with Superman anime. Oh, yeah. Which I think is a fantastic show. Did she? Yeah. Oh, it's awesome.

Did she do Shazam or am I wrong on that? She is. She took over Shazam from Mark, Mark Wade. Okay. Cause someone said like, speaking of legends, Mark Wade, man, I would, I would, I would flip if I was ever near him. He's, he's one of the best. Mark Wade. It's so interesting. I do feel like, you know, there are these certain things that are happening right now, you know, in a time where entertainment is in a weird zone, there are certain things that are being, um, like, uh,

by the right people. Like, I do think that there is a comeback. Like, the fact that Ed Brubaker right now is being able to shoot Criminal is so fucking cool. Right? Oh, yeah. You know, and it's, and, you know, we're in this world where, like, things are being done right. I listened to our friends over in the Blank Check podcast. They're doing a whole series on Martin Brest, who I love as a director, directed in

Martin, the run, the Beverly Hills cop. Absolutely fantastic. And they had on the, uh, the directors of bad boys three and four. And it was so interesting to hear them talk about, uh, Beverly Hills cop because they are very much, um, they came up as like Bruckheimer fans and,

and they wanted to make like a Bruckheimer-esque movie. I think that's why Bad Boys 3 and 4 actually work really well because it really captures the vibe and the spirit of what those movies were. And I feel like we're in this interesting zone right now where the, like as kids, we might've been a lot more disappointed by people taking over things that we love, but now people that,

Equally love it for the right reasons are able to take it over and actually make another good version of it. I know what you mean. And what's interesting about it, though, which is so funny. And when I think about it, it's like, I love that. And I'm and I listened to that episode, too. And I thought it was fantastic. They are also the directors of the shelved Batgirl. Yes.

Right. Which is, I mean, at some point someday I'm hoping we'll all get to see probably together in some random theater that someone has rented out and is showing. But there is something about it too. And I find this in the Star Wars discourse as well, which is, boy, aren't all these people, aren't all these smart people, Leslie Hedlund, these guys that you're talking about, aren't all these smart people making great Star Wars that's, for me...

A 51-year-old man. Right, yeah. I'm like, hang on a second. I think the flaw in the logic is that all these people are doing great things for me to receive. And I'm like, I want, and I assume it is, I want it to work too for the me's that are now 12 and 13 and 14. I want them to be hyped on all this stuff. But I think that it actually does work because I think what...

There isn't a true... I do think the reason why Bad Boys was a hit at the box office was because they just leaned into making something good that they want. It wasn't like, how do we appeal to this audience? It's like, no, no, let's just make this movie our way and then it will work. I don't know. There's a weird...

I just, I'm always... I thought Bad Boys 3 was a blast. So I'm excited for 4. Oh, and I, yeah, and that's where I'm like... And it's the same directors. Same directors. And you're right, like, but they are, you know, if this is their way in and they get to go do this stuff, it's like, there's a, I think a good rite of passage. Anyway, I'm excited about some of this stuff that is coming out. I was going to say, the thing that's interesting to me that ties back, Jordan, what you're talking about a little bit is comics and comics characters, especially ongoing comics characters, you can have...

impactful runs by multiple different authors, multiple different interpretations of these characters. Your Frank Miller Batman is not the same as your Tom King Batman is not the same as your Scott Snyder Batman. You know, you have...

Well, Jason Aaron's made Thor palatable to me. I never really loved Thor until Jason Aaron's got in there. But then you go back and you read Walt Simonson stuff. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is also super interesting, but it's not like it's not as immersive. You are really in like Norse mythology. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. It's so great to have just have different flavors of these characters. Right. Because I think we're just in a zone where people are going to be making a lot of IP stuff. I think it's just kind of how things are and it could be a good thing. It could be a bad thing. But like,

The fact that we get to have so many different flavors of Batman is really cool. And if like you're, you know, not into the, you know, Paul Dini animated style Batman, you know, you've got another Batinson movie coming. If like, that's your thing. So by the way, I have to say, I just looked at my own.

my own personal like childhood by being in the new Batman animated series done by Bruce, Tim, which was one of the coolest things of all time, because that was, he can't, I don't think yet. I don't think I can. I will tell you this as soon as this ends. It's a fun, it's a fun part, but it's not. I don't think Paul can say it. I can say he's Batman. Yes. Hey, put that down.

This glue is making me high. And that's his Bruce Wayne voice. Wait till you hear it. The Batman voice is deeper.

It's just like Paul Scheer is the sexiest cat woman ever. But it's, I guess it's, I just, there's something right now where there's a couple of things that have come out that have excited me in a way where I have not felt let down. And I'm not used to that feeling. Like, you know, it's whether it is in the comic world, whether it's in like, it's just like, Oh, these are things that I want to be good. And I've been, I remember watching sex in the city too, with June, um,

who was so excited to see it because she loves Saxon City 1 and it wasn't very good. And,

And the look on her face of seeing this thing that you love being bad. And I'm like, now you get it. Now you get what my life. Now you get the phantom menace. Yeah, you get what my life is. Like, you're, like, getting so pumped for this. Like, I was talking to friends. It is weird that Jar Jar replaced Samantha, though. It's a weird move. Misa. Misa honey. I think it would be like, Misa honey. Yeah.

Oh, man. I have a question for you, Jordan. Just because your comic exists in that kind of horror, coming-of-age horror story, are there other things that were either influential on you or things that, I know you talked about some of the mixes and stuff like that. Anything else, like we talked about Buffy, is there anything else either in comics or other media, stuff that you felt like informed the book? Yeah, I mean, I thought about Shaun of the Dead a lot.

while I was writing it. Oh, cool. Great tone. And like, Shaun of the Dead is like, the funny stuff is so funny, but the horror stuff is real, right? Like the horror, that movie is very scary and really gory. And like, it works as a horror movie. Like if there's no laughs in that movie, the horror stuff works. And I just, I thought about that a lot. I'm like, I don't want this to seem like a spoof, you know, like, hey,

Do I like a scary movie starring the Wayans? Sure. Absolutely. I will. I will. No, but there have to be stakes. Yeah. So, yeah. So I think I, you know, kind of resisted the urge to do like spoofy stuff where I'm like spoofy because it's a lot about exorcisms. Right. And I'm like, right. There's a lot of like, you know.

Space ballsy, scary movie type jokes you can make about exorcisms. But I kind of like roped in that instinct and just like, let's keep the horror stuff real, but like make the comedy come from the characters because they're just like goofy weirdos and they're, you know, clashing in different ways. And I'm like, let's let's try and make that the source of the comedy. You know, I think that honestly, what you're talking about, too, is this thing, you know, why we love movies or TV shows first to a certain extent is because

a great ensemble. I think you're seeing that with Bear. I think you can see that all the way back to the movies that we loved growing up. You know, it's like, it's, and what is so interesting about it is when you look at a great ensemble, you can look at them and go, all these people are very different. I think for a long period, we had people who looked identical and it was like, here's a young guy, here's a young guy here, like a bunch of young white guys that all look about like, I'm like, but you're the nerd. You,

You're the nerd? You don't look like a nerd. You're just wearing a shirt that, you know, is like a Green Lantern shirt. But, you know, we're supposed to believe that that's a nerd. And I recently watched Independence Day to get ready for the holiday, you know, because I have to learn. You got to prepare. You got to prepare. You got to remember what we're fighting for. And I didn't love that movie, like, a lot when I saw it the first time, you know. And I rewatched it. It's like, oh.

wow, this is so fun. And part of the reason why it's so fun is because you have Harvey Fierstein in it and you're like, oh, you would never see that casting now. You would never be like, oh, we'll get Harvey Fierstein in there. We'll get Jeff Goldblum in there. Judd Hirsch is an action star in this movie. Yes. Yes.

I just think it's important to like, you know, embrace ensemble. And we don't do that anymore. We don't do that anymore. I think about this all the time. Like a lot of times our big action ensembles used to be a group of people, you know, a couple of,

leading men, you know, types, and then a couple of character actors, a couple of comedians, and that's the ensemble. You know, comedians die first, you know, character actors next, and the leading men survive. And now every ensemble is wall-to-wall hunks. Yeah. Everybody, from the Joker to the romantic lead, everybody is...

absolutely handsome and fit. And like, you know, my example is always the, the triple frontier movie, uh, where it's Affleck, Garrett Headland, Charlie Hunnam. And every single group member of the team is a brooding hunk. And I'm like, this doesn't happen this way. Well, I am a fan of this book. If you are a fan of, uh, great books, you're a fan of, uh,

Like I would say, I don't want to just say it's a supernatural book. I think what it is, is it's a, it is a personal book that is based in something that is from your life. That is, but then also amped up in a way that I think is incredibly unique. I think that that's the thing. That's the secret sauce of this. And, you know, this is the year that I feel like you got to fucking take down, uh, is it Mark Wade? Uh, no. Who are you taking down? Mark Russell. Yeah. Mark Russell. Yeah.

I'll have to fall back on his PBS parody songs. No, yes. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm stoked if people check out the book. I'm like so proud of it. It's so nice. And yeah, I, I, I can't believe it's coming out. I'm so, so, so obviously,

Obviously, people can go and right now buy the book on Amazon. But is there a way that... We're always talking about...

If you have a local comic shop, please buy the book from your local comic shop. For us, if you want to support my local comic shop, order it from Secret Headquarters here in Los Angeles, California. But if you have a small owner-operated comic shop, please go get it there. Order it from there. Because I've been in this world for a little bit with my book,

I really recommend to everybody, if you want the ease of use, right? This thing where you're like, I need, I want to support indie shops, but I don't want it to be more complicated than just going to Amazon. Bookshop.org is amazing because they can, they, the book is there. You can order it, but, but here's the thing. It, you can support the shop that you want to support. So you can kind of pick it there. It's sort of like, it's a great way to,

to be shop shop locally with the convenience of Amazon, a web, a web browser. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. Everything you said. Yes, yes, yes, yes to all this. Um, yeah. And, uh, so yeah, local comic book shop, uh, will have it or they'll order it for you if you ask. And, uh, definitely your indie bookstores too. It's a, it's a graphic novel, so you can get it at an indie bookstore and I will be, uh, signing a stack of copies at book soup here in LA. Oh, they're great. Uh,

Yeah, I'm going to leave a stack of signed copies at BookSoup. So if you want a signed copy, hit up the BookSoup website and they will mail it right to you. They're amazing. Just like Amazon or other e-commerce websites. They're very easy. Oh, well, this is what a blast to talk to you. Welcome back. And if you wouldn't mind, give us that line one more time. Okay. This glue is making me hot.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Morris, get his book at any indie bookshop. You can get it at comic bookshops. It's called Youth Group. You can get yourself an autographed copy at BookSoup and just support your local stores. It makes a huge difference. Thank you, Jordan.

Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. You're the best. Thank you again to Jordan Morris. And remember, his new graphic novel, Youth Group, is available in stores now. People, our next movie is one that is going to blow your mind. We're going from the Mexican shore to an underwater grocery store. That's right. Next episode, we are continuing How Did This Get Made's Hot Shark Summer with 2012's Bait. Okay. Be aware. There's many films online.

out there called Bait, but this is the one where a freak tsunami traps a group of people in a submerged grocery store. As they try to escape, they are hunted by white sharks that are hungry for meat. Okay, Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 44% score on the tomato meter, and Jamie Graham from Total Film says Bait is more funny than scary. Well, I don't agree with that. And often feels like Deep Blue Sea meets The Mist, but

What's wrong with that? Well, honestly, everything, because what you described there is not what the movie I saw is. Anyway, take a listen to the trailer for Bait. Where are all the people? Hello! Can't get out that way. Oh, my God. What's that? Where is he, Josh? Get everyone out of the water. Please help me! Help me! There's a 12-foot great white shark in here.

Oh, shit! All right. So remember, people, Bait 2012, it's a shark movie. Okay, it's not a Jamie Foxx movie. And the original title was Bait 3D. It's available to stream on Amazon Prime Video to be freebie stars. And look.

Look, let's get into the library system and rent these things for free. And you can rent them on Hoopla, Canopy, and Libby. They are free digital media services offered by your local public library that allow you to consume movies, TV, music, audiobooks, e-books, and comics for free. Also, a huge thank you to the ALA for bringing me down to their...

annual convention. I loved meeting librarians. I loved hearing all about these platforms and how so many people watch How Did This Get Made movies through them. So thank you, librarians. I always have a respect for you, but to see so many of you in one room was just truly unbelievable. I mean, it's the Comic-Con floor, but all librarians.

That is it for the show. If you listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Please make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show, and we appreciate it. Visit us on social media at HDTGM. And a big thank you to our producers, Scott Sani and Molly Reynolds, our movie-picking producer, Avril Halle, and our associate producer, Jess Cisneros, and our engineer, Casey Holford. We will see you next week for Bait. Bait. Bait. Bait. Bait.

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