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Hello, all my little circus freaks with wings. Don't fly away. It's me, your host, Paul Scheer. And I want to welcome you to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Passion Play, a movie that Discord user TheAwesomeTear, with an assist by FrostedNebula, both think the movie's tagline should be Passion Play, colon, when a Jacob's Ladder scenario happens.

has a Red Bull. It gives you wings.

I like that. Complicated, but I like it. Maybe I should have read it like this. Passion play. When a Jacob's Ladder scenario has Red Bull, it gives you wings. Oh yeah, that's a little bit better. I like that. Thank you, Awesome Tear and Frosted Nebula for that alt tagline. Remember, if you have an alt movie tagline or title, submit it to us on our Discord and we might just read it on the show. And the first time I read it, I might not do it good. Second time, yeah.

I might do it better. And there might even be a third time if it's very complicated, but not today. Coming up on today's show, we will be hearing all your corrections and omissions on Passion Play. I'll even share an exclusive deleted scene from that episode where June recommends a TV show that she is loving. Jason and I are going to talk a little bit about Taskmaster. That's right. Jason's going to be on Taskmaster. We get the first episode.

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win-win all right that is all the plugs that i got so let's get into it last week we talked at length about passion play well we had some questions and we might have even missed a few things here's your chance to set a straight fact check us if you will it's now time for corrections and omissions for all the things we talked about there were things we did leave out

So now it's time for corrections and omissions. Thank you, Dornheim, for that theme song. Let's go right into it. Ashwin gives you wings. Wow, a lot of Red Bull this week. In the podcast episode, Paul mentions that the bottle of Gordon Shumway is a bottle of gin. My pointless correction is it is actually a bottle of scotch whiskey.

Okay. So I appreciate it. Basically he asks for gin. She grabs that, or is it scotch? They make a very big deal out of only drinking gin. Anyway. Uh, let's see below no back bolo nomadic. Oh, that's it. Bolo nomadic. Okay. Um, I know June did mention this,

Bolo, why you doing it? But I think it is worth emphasizing that the guy is supposed to be on a redemption arc and he immediately gets into human trafficking. Why is he going to heaven? Yeah, Bolo Nomadic, I think we all mentioned that. There is no arc. He's a piece of shit.

GT75 writes,

Absolutely. And this just goes to show you that Mickey Rourke's character was dumb because even in his hallucination, he didn't make any choices that made sense. Let's go to the phones. All right, LJ and Rancho, Kookamonga, what do you got? Hey, calling about Passion Play. I believe the reason why she had wings and they were like bird wings is because he saw that bird right before he died. Oh my God. LJ.

It was there all along. That is, wow. Every now and then. Y'all blow my mind. And LJ, you just did it. All right. Well, now everything's going to pale in comparison. Am I right? Let's see. Oh, next caller.

From New Mexico, what do you got? Hello, Carl John Shear. This is, my name's Tano, T-A-N-O. Long time listener for Sam Caller. I have a tiny bit of insight on the location shooting for this ridiculous movie, Passion Play. So I recognized the place in the scene where they sort of set up a reveal for Happy to see that the angel actually has wings.

And they're in this like theater and they open up these doors and he can see through the binoculars. That is the Santa Fe Opera. I recognize it. It's an outdoor opera theater that only performs in the summer. So that explains why you could see when they look through there's snow on the ground everywhere. Clearly it was the off season and that's how they got, you know, this rinky dink production must have gotten hold of the opera house.

So the opening of the door, that is a thing at the Opera House. It's an outdoor theater and they can open up the back of the theater. So during a performance, you can sometimes see through all the way into the distance. Love the show. See you later. You know what? When I said I shouldn't even play another call because, you know, LJ kind of knocked it out of the park.

That was actually a perfect call because it was good information. It wasn't mind-blowing, nor is it trying to be. It was just information, and I give it an A-plus for info. And finally, let's go to Liz. Hey, Paul, Jim, and Jason. My name is Liz. I was listening to the recent episode about Passion Play. About eight minutes in, you mentioned...

If someone is a physics professor, they could examine what you were talking about in that particular scene. And I thought, my time has come, because I teach physics in Wisconsin. And you were talking about the unlikeliness of Megan Fox flying around with Mickey Rourke held in her arms. You mentioned the force of gravity along with her weight or his weight. So the force of gravity actually is weight. That's what we, when we talk about an object's weight or a person's weight,

We could say force of gravity interchangeably. Our weight is how hard the Earth is pulling down on us. So those aren't really two separate things. So what we'd have to look at is if she is flying at a constant height or not accelerating, her wings would need to support both her weight and Mickey Rourke's weight. I'm a physicist. I'm not a bird expert, but I did some quick bird wing research. The wing strength, it doesn't actually seem important.

impossible. I was looking up like some birds of prey, like certain types of eagles apparently have been seen carrying prey that's up to like 30 or 40 pounds. And those birds themselves are no more than 15 pounds. So wing strength actually okay there. Now she had to

accelerate to get into the air. That is going to mean she does need more force because she needs, the wings need to not just keep her at a constant height or keep her going at a constant velocity, but change her velocity to speed her up. So yeah, so she's going to need more force there from her wings.

So would the eagle, if it's picking something up. So that actually seems okay. What gets brought up about the eagles and why they're able to carry so much is their talon strength. Really, it's her arm strength and her hand strength in holding Mickey Rourke. That is the most ridiculous part.

I did also briefly look up women's records for curls in lifting competitions, and I couldn't get anything definitive really quickly, but it still seems pretty unrealistic and unlikely there. So I just thought I would share that. If you ever need any physics assistance, I am always here to help. All right. Thanks so much for all you do. Your podcast is fantastic. It makes my day to listen to new ones, and I'll see you in Denver.

Thank you, Liz, for taking the call. Yes, physicists, we need you. Thank you for doing the research on the bird wings and the talent strength and female bodybuilding arm strength. Okay. Wow. Basically, so we're right. But man, oh, man, I guess what you're saying is possible, but not likely. And you know what?

I like absolutely not better than anything, but I love our physicists. So thank you, Liz, for giving us a call. All right, let's go back to the Discord. Pete, the S-man, Skadoosh writes, I have a friend who worked on this movie in craft services. She said every day Mickey Rourke would ask for a canteen filled with milk.

He would drink the milk through the day without refrigerating it, and they were worried it was spoiled by like hour eight when he was still drinking it. My friend assumed Mickey was off the wagon and secretly hiding liquor in it, but at the end of the day, when she inspected the canteen by smelling the inside, it reeked of spoiled milk, not alcohol. Not sure how he kept it down. Pete.

I don't get, I don't get it. I need more. Oh, maybe that's why you had such a sour face. Oh boy. IQ. Wine hut writes in Charles Bukowski's book, Hollywood about his experience during the filming of, uh, Barbet Schroeder's 1987 barfly starring Mickey Rourke as Bukowski's alter ego. Uh, Hank, he writes that the lead actor, Jack blood. So AKA Mickey Rourke was insistent that he wear novelty palm tree sunglasses. Uh,

In a particular scene, against the wishes of both Bukowski and Schroeder, Rourke can be seen in the film wearing the exact pair of novelty palm tree sunglasses mentioned in the novel. So it looks like he got away with it at least once. Well, there it is. I mean, we know he's a he's a eyeglass fiend where the rest are. They prevented it, but not this movie.

Wow. So many great corrections and omissions this week. And I got to say, you know, look, Liz, the physicist calling us, I wanted to give it to her. But LJ, I think this week you are the winner because you blew my damn mind and you get nothing. But you do get this amazing song from Hominin. Hit it. If you want me to judge how smart you are,

No, that's not what we're doing. If you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up the Discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm or call me at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. All right, coming up after the break, Jason will stop by to chat about Jason's upcoming season of Taskmaster. Also, if you're not watching Invincible on Amazon Prime, you're missing out. Really good season. We're going to also talk about our new favorite improv podcast. I can't get enough of it. Oh, man.

It's so good. But first, take a listen to this bonus deleted scene from our Passion Play episode where we talk about June's interest in the tattooed woman from Passion Play and her new love of Ink Master.

Who I want to look up is that woman with the tattoos. I'm so taken with those tattoos. It was really beautiful. And all I could think of is after we've been watching Ink Master. Wow. That must have hurt. If they're real, like the nipple tattoos. Now that we've been watching. What do you mean now that we've been watching Ink Master? You can't drop that at the very. Now that we've been watching Ink Master. Ink Master is on. It's big in our house.

A lot in our house. Like, and I first, I didn't start watching it, but now I can't avoid watching it. June and our son is like in deep, deep seasons. And they're talking about, I walk in on them talking about David Navarro and, and what's going on with this team.

Is this Kat Von D? Yes. Now we're not watching. No, it is. But we're not. We're we're later on. We're exploring the later work. OK. Is it still on? Is it? Does it exist now? I actually don't know. I think so. I think there are. Yeah, I think. OK. OK. I mean, it just popped up on Paramount Plus and these two. They are like what? What? I'm curious what precipitated it. Like what led it to be like chosen? Yeah.

Or was it just on in the background and you guys got into it? I think that... I actually don't know. I think Gus just asked what's Ink Master. And I was like, oh, I think it's a show about tattoo artists. And then there you have it. I mean, there's some language that's simply inappropriate for children. But...

That hasn't stopped us. It's been on for 16 seasons. And currently the host is Joel Madden. Yes. I love that you called him David Navarro. Thank you. I give the proper respect to his name. Yeah.

Mr. David Navarro. Well, yes. Yes, so I couldn't. Yes, obviously I love tattoos and I really want to understand that woman's tattoos.

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Welcome back, everybody. I'm sure you've noticed that every week we have re-released old How Did This Get Made episodes back into our feed. We love it. It's a matinee ep. This week's matinee was Tammy and the T-Rex. Next week's will be Velocipastor. Ugh, hated that one. So keep on checking out all the replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. Okay, without further ado, it is now time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little Just Chat. John Cohen, play me in.

Jason, welcome back. We talked about a bunch of great stuff last time. How are you doing? Great. I've got a bunch of other stuff to talk about this time. Jason, let's start off with the biggest piece of pop culture news on this show. You, Shorzy, season four, coming in March. Ha ha ha!

Jason, you are on Taskmaster. People are freaking out. We don't have an air date yet. I don't have an air date. I don't know, but it'll be either late March or early April, I believe. Give us some, just, we'll talk about it as it comes up, but maybe even we've made,

have to turn this into like a watch along and get your take. Oh, funny. That would be hilarious. Yeah. I would love to do that. And it's interesting because this is something that I have been just genuinely keeping a secret at their request until a week ago or not even a week ago. And it's tricky because they do in front of a live studio audience. So people knew. Yes.

Hundreds of people knew because they came to the live shows that we recorded in London at the studio, at the Taskmaster studio. When was I there? In October? Was that the last time I was there? August? Oh, yeah, it might have been, right. So the craziest part of this has been I've had to go to London three different trips to

One of which, thankfully, coincided with our UK tour. Well, that was so interesting because I remember you're like, oh, I'm away. And I'm like, what are you working on? And then, you know, it's like this. Yeah. Because it was...

It was very scattershot when you were going and when you were here in a way. And I also couldn't tell people what I was doing. I could just say I was working on a job and that was weird. But yeah, so I and the way they do that show is in distinct chunks. You know, it's a week of tasks here. It's a week of tasks there that you're doing alone. And then, you know, many months later, it's a week of the studio show. Yeah.

And so it is these distinct pieces of the show that all get kind of cobbled together. Paul and I talk about how much we love this show.

It was every bit as absolutely stupidly fun as I thought it was going to be. It was. And it's absolutely dynamite. Okay, just before we move on, because I want to ask one more question. Just tell me who you're on with. Because we saw the promo. And again, these might be people that we may or may not know. But just give us, again, a little bit more taste. Because people do want to hear you talking about it. And, you know, I'll give you... And I'll also, like... Because this is an opportunity, because I feel like people...

There's going to be a tremendous amount of people who are listening to this who have no idea what Taskmaster is, who have no idea what we're even talking about and may have even not even noticed it when we mentioned it in episodes past. So Taskmaster is a British panel show, kind of like a game show type of a show, except that all the contestants are comedians. The hosts are comedians. And so really, it feels a lot more like a bit.

show, like a comedic, a show where people are funny and teasing each other. But there is like an overarching kind of everybody gets given the same tasks they need to accomplish and how they accomplish them are usually very funny, very stupid, very silly and sometimes very embarrassing. And then everybody gets to make fun of each other for that.

And that's kind of, it's every season is 10 episodes. It's the same five comedians for those 10 episodes. And so my cast is myself and then a tremendous British, a couple of great British standups, Stevie Martin and Fatia El Gori, who are absolutely hilarious. I can't recommend enough. People should check them out, look their stuff up on YouTube. Very, very funny standups. Um,

A podcaster, Rosie Ramsey, who's super funny. And she's also a like she has a live show that she does and tours. And then Matt Bangton, who people might know as the creator and one of the stars of the British version of the show Ghosts.

He was also in Wonka. He's been in a bunch of stuff. He's in Horrible Histories, which is a big show there that people have seen that I wasn't aware of. Anyway, that's the five of us. By the way, I want, I just want, I know they have BritBox. I get it. But I want, I want, like, I know you can get it. And I'm not asking for people to tell me where I can get it. I can get it. But there should just be an app that just streams shows.

british television like give me what you got oh well there's the the thing is there's multiple apps that do right acorn tv does it brit box does it iti what is it i4 tv player all but a lot of these a lot of these these shows taskmaster has its own app which is great you can subscribe uh monthly yearly whatever you want to do um

Taskmaster also, the entirety of Taskmaster, every season, every clip show, everything they've done is on YouTube for free.

So if you want to watch Taskmaster Junior, if you want to watch Taskmaster last season or the first season, it's all on YouTube. I've been watching it on the app. The app goes right to Apple. Oh, the app is great. The Apple TV. The Apple's great. And the kids version is great. And both are, you're going to pay for a commercial free version of this thing. Right. You know what I mean? So I guess what I'm saying is a lot of these like not chat shows, but these like game shows, those are the ones that are harder to find. Like I can find a British comedy. I can find a British drama show.

I try to find these like, it's very hard to find. Would I lie to you or celebrity mastermind or any of, so there is, and this is, and forgive me if this is boring for some people, but there's a category of show that exists in the UK called a panel show.

that we simply don't have here. The closest you can come here is a little bit what Dropout TV is doing, or maybe After Midnight, sort of. There's a whole category of shows in the UK that are comedians, late-night comedic talk shows.

In which everybody's on stage together. There's ostensibly some sort of game element, but really it's an opportunity for comedians to riff, be funny and showcase themselves. And so like for a lot of younger comedians in the UK, the way that they come up,

There isn't, you know, like, whereas here I feel like we had like Adult Swim and Comedy Central, these networks and these people that were fostering younger voices or up and coming voices rather. In the UK, that's panel shows. What I think is so crazy is

It's podcasts, right? These are podcasts. These are podcasts on television in a great way. And it seems like America is holding off from engaging that, which is clearly what we want. We love podcasts. We love all this sort of stuff. We want funny people that you may or may not know in a format that you... That's the vibe. You're absolutely right. The vibe of Taskmaster, especially, and all these other shows, a lot of them,

that are so comedy forward. The vibe is the same vibe you get from listening to our show, listening to Comedy Bang Bang, listening to comedy podcasts, which is, this is a group of funny people riffing off of each other, playing off of each other. These shows are not scripted, they're shaggy, they're funny, they're outrageous, they're crazy. And what you are watching is the same sense of surprise and discovery that you get from podcasting or from unscripted shows.

Right, because it kind of can exist in a, you know, anytime, this is what people don't know, but a lot of times when you do these shows in America, it's very tightly scripted as far as here's how long your segment's going to be. We're going to talk about this. We're going to do this. And one of the best things, and we were talking about this the other day, like Taskmaster is an hour. When they brought it to America, they shrunk it down to 30 minutes. And I do think that that was one of the biggest factors that made the show-

less enjoyable. Catastrophic. Yeah, because it really didn't allow it to breathe. It's not about like just get, I think always here we're like, what's the next thing? What's the next thing? What's the next thing? Well, I think here we are more interested in the competition. Who's going to win? Who's got the most points? Blah, blah, blah. And it's like competition is so paramount here. And there, again, the points don't matter. The winner doesn't matter. The

like it's all arbitrary. The point system is dictated by Greg Davis, the host of the show, the taskmaster himself, who is it's arbitrary. It's just it's just it's fucking around. And that's what's fun about it. The show that I would compare it to that you and I have talked about a million times that you and I were in or a couple of shows. The best version I can say for what it is to be on a British panel show that our audience might have seen is your and mine.

episode of, uh, Chris Gethard show. Yes. The, the what's the, what's in the dumpster episode. Another man's trash is what it's called. Um, yeah. And it's such a, again, that show was so fun because they would do a live version that would stream. So you could actually watch like a fat version of the show and then they would cut it down. But it was just like little inner jokes, people having fun. There was a relaxed nature to it that I think I always really, uh,

respond to because I love Howard Stern. And Howard Stern would have long conversations, long bits, interrupting a bit to talk about something and then go back into the bit. Well, it's not prescribed. It's not like the show is going to unfold like this. Beat, beat, beat, beat, beat. You really don't know. Like that Gethard show, you don't know what's going to happen. Like the other thing that I will say as an example for people is, because you and I have also done this, is like doing those episodes of Nicole Byers nailed it.

Oh, so much fun. A baking show that looks like a competitive baking show for amateurs, but is really all about celebrating the failures and...

The discoveries and the surprises of how poorly or how well it can go. I don't want to pat myself on the back, but I'm going to do it twice because, uh, well, like the same reason why I went on nailed it. I was like, I want to be a contestant on nailed it, which they had never done before. Now imagine four comedians, uh,

or, you know, cooking on Nailed It. It's a way funnier show, in my opinion, right? I mean, I love Nailed It too. Oh, and a bunch of comedians just roasting them the whole time. Right, which is kind of like the great British Bake Off. They'll do like a Red Nose Day special. Casey...

June is going to be on a Great American Bake Off, which is great. Rob Riggle was on one. If you want to see past guest James Acaster, past Taskmaster guest, past How Did This Get Made guest, he has one of the most incredible breakdowns on an episode of Celebrity Great British Bake Off. And by the way, that was very hard to find, but I did find it. It's a lot of Googling. The other thing...

is when I went on Family Feud, that was the other thing. They wanted my family on there. And I was like, no, I want to bring my friends who love the Family Feud on. And then it became way more fun. Now, granted, I've talked to those producers like, oh, we didn't even know what to, it was hard for us to run the actual game through it because it was so full of bits

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. When like when you see the episodes of Taskmaster that we did, you know, you are going to watch a I can't remember, 45 to 50 minute version of a show like a network one hour TV show. But we shot those episodes for over three hours and in some cases longer still because they were our cast was.

absolutely delighting in finding tangents and going sideways and pursuing conversations that Greg Davis would consistently say to the audience and to us, there's absolutely no way this will make the cut, but we're going to keep going. I love it. I love it. I mean, so we have a lot to talk about when that comes back up in March and April, we will dig into it more, but I just wanted to make sure that people got that.

their taste of you talking about it because it has been... Oh, yeah. I felt like people were coming to me in their excitement for you. Well, you said. You said when people were like, you were getting... At 8 a.m. in the morning, my phone was blowing up as if that's the only way to get to you. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. By the way, I took it...

uh in in pride i was like very it's like you're like an olympian you got to go do the you know you're representing all of us it was what it was crazy i will say it was an absolute blast and to do it all in secrecy was hilarious oh i love it i love it i love it

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I wanted to talk about something else because I realized you need to talk to Jason about this podcast. This is for the comedy nerds. This is for the improv nerds. Susie Barrett's podcast called Yes Also. I cannot shut up about this podcast. I'm so excited about this. Forgive me if you have talked to me in person in the last few weeks because all I have done is talk your ear off about Susie Barrett's fantastic podcast, Yes Also. It is an interview podcast with improvisers about comedy.

improv, about their journey in improv, how they started, what schools and teachers they came up in. And then it's really just about the impactful lessons that you learned while coming up in improv. And then also how those lessons impact your life. But then also just on a, this is where it gets really nerdy, on a very process level,

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Part one, which is incredible, which is a great discussion. So, you know, it's a it's a deep dive podcast. It's very niche in its in what it's talking about. What I love about it is it is a very inside baseball. And I mean that in the best way.

It is it is it is incredible conversations about a thing that I feel very much has been how I've what I've almost dedicated my life in pursuit of, you know? Well, I think that people like it's such an interesting thing because I always feel like.

There are improv books and I've, I read them actually. I've read Will Hines's book. I think the trick is reading an improv book is interesting. I'm doing it already. I I've gone through things and it, but there's nothing that I've ever found that speaks to me as a performer who does it. It's not about, and I think it, it, it's a conversation that we don't often have. We just do. And yeah, since you recommended it to me,

It's a fast, it's just like, oh yeah, this is what I want. It's interesting. I think of it the way that it's when I hear really good or watch really good interviews with musicians, you know, yes, you know, yes, we all are doing the same thing, improvising. We're all making comedy out of nothing. Right. And on a, on a, from the audience's point of view, they are receiving just the

it performing, you know, comedians performing characters and making clever jokes or whatever, eliciting different emotional responses from the audience, whatever. But the how we do it

Right, right.

And I'm like, okay, let's go because that's a great question, you know, and stuff like that. And so I don't even know how I would answer that. How would you answer that? I would trust it, but not inherently. Like, I feel like premise-based initiations are more often than not

thin. It's I have a clever premise. Okay, we can play that for a minute, but without an emotional point of view on that premise, without knowing how I feel about that, or how you feel about it, if you just gave me a premise, boy, would I wish you would tell me how you felt about that premise.

unless that's baked in. Yeah, that's an interesting point. For me, I can always play against somebody that I know how they feel, but I can't always play against somebody that I... I mean, I can't always know how to play the next move if someone's giving me, like...

like an equation, like an idea that I can tell they've got something. I'm like, well, how do you, if I don't know yet how you feel about it, like, how do I come in? I always think it's an interesting idea when you, like, I was taught so strongly at UCB to be like, to come in with something. And I think that like, you know, we often were, I think where improv can sometimes go really bad is when it is like,

I like an initiation. I like a premise-based initiation as a kickstart to a scene that then can be kind of

jettison like it's just sort of like it gives us a place it kind of sets uh some tones because because a lot of the times you're working so quickly like i love a slower a slower improv but that's so rare nowadays where you can find it like mcbrary and i used to do slower this way find it but it's hard to find it you still i do a monthly show called manzuka sand it's just me and one other person do one scene for over an hour see that's that's exciting to kind of very slow

You know, very slow, very quiet at times. You know, there's nobody going to come in and tag you out. There's no rush. And, you know, so the scenes become oftentimes slow and quiet at times, like real moments of silence and emotional investigation. I think that's what it is. There's nothing wrong with a premise based initiation. And the premise can oftentimes be like the substructure or the foundational elements of a good scene. But I'm saying I just want to know, how do you feel about it?

Because a lot of times what people won't quite grasp is that it's not just enough to have a clever thought or idea that could be funny, but it would help a lot more. The point of view on it too, right? It would help a lot more if you had a point of view. Yes. Anyway.

It's interesting. And while we're while we're talking so nerdily about improv and Susie Barrett's wonderful podcast, yes, also, I will also shout out our friend Will Hines is sub stack. Love that is also a I think once a week deep dive article about improv and improvisation and the the theater that he's started here in Los Angeles called we guess we just WGIS. We just thanks. Thanks, Matt.

Yeah. Will Hines, we mentioned his book. You mentioned his book earlier. Yes, How to Be the Greatest Improviser on Earth. Yep. He's got, he's I think one of the first, if not the first episode of Susie Barrett's podcast. And his sub stack is fantastic. And if you are interested in comedy, if you're interested in improv, if you're interested in what we do, how we came up and all that kind of stuff and the stuff we talk about, his sub stack would be something that I think would be great to check.

out. Yeah. It's called improv nonsense is what the sub stack is called. Yes. If you're an improviser out there, if you're a young person who wants to be getting into comedy, these are all resources. These are all things that, boy, do I wish they existed when I was, you know, in the nineties when I was a up and coming improv kid. Yeah. I mean, it really is. It is a important, I don't know. Like, I think what I found when I came up doing improv was there were

Two texts that were pretty much it. It was like, you got like an impro, which is a very old text. It was not capturing much of anything in the Johnstone. And then truth and comedy, which was a lot more alive, you know, and modern, but that was really it.

And, um, Oh, and they were like, I don't know about you, but for me, they were not, not improv necessarily, but truth and comedy, Rodney Rothman, who I went to college with, um, brought truth and comedy back to college from a summer after a summer break, he'd found it and he'd been given it and he brought it back to us and we devoured it. We'd never seen improv. We were just a short form, form improv team doing short form games. Um,

And we read that book and we started doing the Herald in the coffee shop and it was terrible, but like, I've never been, I've never felt more excited and more alive. Yeah. No. And now you're getting people like McNapier, Billy Merritt, all these people who actually have a lot of performing experience, write these books. And honestly, I, well, I mean, this is my own opinion. I, I wish that the UCB's improvisation manual was a little bit more user friendly. It's very much a,

It is a... Yes, it's dense. It's dense. I also wish it had a little... I wish it was a little more playful. Yes, and I think it's like... And maybe in that sense that you were saying, it's good to...

are nowhere near improv and you can't see improv, although now you can watch a lot of these shows streaming online. It's a great way to be like, okay, this is something, it's going to be a lot of examples, but it's not a fun read. Whereas Truth and Comedy, I felt like I was alive in these scenes and I was there and I remember all those details to this day. Yeah, Truth and Comedy feels like it's for hobbyists and the UCB's book feels like it is from a college course. And I mean that in a good way. It is

Yes. But it doesn't have the lightness or the, it doesn't, it's not as, I don't know, it just isn't as, yeah, I guess just that. It could use a little more like the joyful discovery of improv. I would argue it lacks a,

because it isn't really, it's more of theory than a point of view. You know, in many respects, it shares the similarities with the premise-based improv. It's very much like, here are the,

this is structure. It's institutional. It's an institution's point of view. It is not a person's point of view. So, yes. And again, and it's their own, by the way, good to have. And Will Hines is one of the authors of it. I think Chris Gethard contributed to that, uh, to the curriculum, you know? Yeah. There's, there's so much. I mean, all right, that's all for this time. We'll see you next time on, uh, just chat. Oh,

All right, everybody. Thank you, Jason. Remember, Invincibles on Amazon Prime right now. I have since that conversation devoured. Yes, also love it. Can't get enough of it. It's really, really good. And make sure you're checking out the dark web, which is on YouTube every single Thursday. All right. Enough of my fun for him. It's time for me to announce our next movie. We're going from a winged woman to an invisible man.

No rhyme, but it worked. Anyway, that's right. Next week, we are watching a movie voted on by you, the How Did This Get Made listener slash Discord listener. It's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen starring Sean Connery.

I'm not going to even attempt that again. Here's a short breakdown of the plot. A team of extraordinary figures culled from great American adventure fiction, including Alan Quartermain, Vampiris, Mina Harker from Dracula, The Invisible Man, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, Captain Nemo, and Dorian Gray are called in to stop a villain intent on turning the nations of the world against one another. Um,

Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 16% on Tomatometer, and Jamie Russell from the BBC says, The movie is destined to go down in the history books as the heaven's gate of superhero flicks. This is nothing more and nothing less than an extraordinary waste of time and money. And honestly, I can't agree more. This is a how did this get made? Don't watch, just listen. But also listen to the trailer. Their powers are legendary. Their origins are unknown.

Their methods are extreme. But when our future's at stake, the world's last hope. And the game is on. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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Cannot attend. No, we will be recovering from our spring tour, but we wish you all the best. That's it, everybody. Thank you for listening to Last Looks. Make sure you buy our tickets to see how did this get made on the road. That's right. We're going to be on the road and coming to towns maybe near you. I don't know. Go to HDTGM for tickets. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us and make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show and we really appreciate it.

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