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Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, the host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters. But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America.
Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to Haunting, Purgatory's premiere podcast. I'm your host, Teresa. We'll be bringing you different ghost stories each week, straight from the person who experienced it firsthand. Some will be unsettling, some unnerving, some even downright terrifying. But all of them will be totally true.
Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. George was pretty much my brother. I mean, if I was ever going to have anybody I considered brother, it would have been him. How would you describe him? Hardworking, down-to-earth boy. I'd do anything in the world for anybody. If I was broke down three states over at two o'clock in the morning, I could call him. He's about the only one that I miss is George. I'm sorry. So how did George get wrapped up into this?
Well, since they was young, they always beat it into his head that he always had to take care of his little brother. No matter what, can't let nobody hurt his little brother. Always had to take his little brother's side no matter what. And I think that had something to do with it. This is The Pyton Massacre, Return to Pike County. Season 3, Episode 5, One-Eyed Wolf. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane.
George Wagner is awaiting trial in Pike County for his involvement in the murders of the Rodin family. He's pleaded not guilty. After two seasons of reporting, details of what allegedly went down on the night of April 21st, 2016 have slowly come into focus. But we still know little about the eldest son of the Wagner clan, George Wagner.
In this episode, we talk to the people who knew George the best and delve into why many are still trying to comprehend his potential involvement in the Pike Domnassiker. In May of 2017, 13 months after the murders, investigators sent a SWAT team to the Wagner's property to search for evidence. Around that time, George changed his social media profile picture and an online group picked it up immediately, screenshotted it, and posted it.
Here's an anonymous Wagner and Roden family source. It's crazy. I don't know what all is out and what's not out, but when all this went down, he had posted, what is it called, your profile picture of a wolf that had a scar in one eye. And if you get on there and read that, Angela's on there and telling him he needs to delete it. You know, you shouldn't be doing that. And then everybody in this group that I'm in was like, oh, that's like pointing to him having shot Kenny.
Kenneth Roden, brother of patriarch Chris Roden Sr., was the eighth and final victim to be discovered. This was five hours after Bobby Joe Manley discovered the first bodies and called 911.
This is family member Donald Stone calling from Kenneth's home, seven miles away from the other crime scenes. I'm out of the house right now. I just went in hollering at him.
Stone found Kenneth lying in his bed face up, covered in blood. He had dollar bills strewn over the lower half of his body. He was the only victim killed with a single gunshot wound to the head, specifically through his right eye. This is like the picture of the wolf in Georgia's profile that piqued people's interest online.
Here's Stephanie and Jeff. It came to our attention that in October of 2018, about a month before the Wagners were arrested, George Wagner changed his profile picture to a cartoon wolf that has a scar over its right eye. And on that picture, his mother, Angela Wagner, commented, Really? We can only assume this picture represents Kenneth Rodin, who was shot in the right eye.
and that George Wagner was somehow bragging or making a callback to the way Kenneth Rodin was murdered. We do also know that Kenneth Rodin was really the only victim who was shot just once in their right eye, and the significance of that might be tied to this photo. It feels like a stretch a little bit, to be honest. ♪
So he posted this on October 4th, 2018. And a few weeks prior to that, on September 19th, 2018, is when the autopsy notes were released and everyone found out that Kenneth was shot in the right eye. And so it seems like a bit of a coincidence that we as the public find out that Kenneth Roden was shot in the right eye and then George Wagner posts this photo of a wolf with a scar over its right eye.
And that maybe wouldn't be connected, but then if it wasn't, why would Angela make that comment? Because if it's just a picture of a wolf, like what does his mom care what he posts on Facebook if it doesn't have this kind of deeper meaning? So much has been made about this online and in various different Facebook groups. It could really just be a complete coincidence.
It could, but we can only assume what the Wagners did. I think it's fair to scrutinize all of their behavior prior to the arrests and following the murders. What would be the significance of that? Either he's bragging or is he giving a signal to someone else? Like, what is the connective tissue there? The way I read into it is that he's bragging about the murders. Why would he do that?
We do know they get arrested one month later. Many people in the area were saying that the Wagners were expecting to be arrested at any moment. And it really does make you wonder why they were so busy on social media in the first place. If you feared that you were going to be arrested, why would you possibly go on social media, period?
The way it was presented to me was that it was more of a matter of fact, that the police think we're tied up in this, we're going to get arrested, but we're going to get out because we're innocent. It's just a formality. And so the way I think at least they were portraying themselves to their friends and family was that they were very confident about their innocence in all of this and that they would not be roped into it too much.
Jake was the one that literally said he shot five people or killed five people and shot six. And I don't know, I mean, who was the other person? If anything, I think Billy, you know, would have been the crazy one to do something because Billy was always coming up with these crazy schemes. Billy, I would not put past to do anything. I feel like he would be at a gas station and shoot somebody. I felt like George would throw up if he shot somebody. But...
I don't know. I don't know. Last season, it seems like the only thing we heard about George Wagner was that he was an abusive husband and all around a pretty bad guy. But as the court proceedings have kind of continued, we've talked to more and more people who were close with George Wagner and have kind of told us the opposite of what we've always heard. Everyone we've spoken to as of late has said nothing but nice things about him.
basically that he was this great guy and they are shocked that he was involved in this murder. No one seems to have a hard time imagining that Billy, Jake, or even Angela could have planned, murdered, and covered up this crime. But people have a really hard time wrapping their head around George Wagner being involved. Which is surprising to me because we did hear about how terribly he treated his wife when they all lived with his mother, Angela Wagner, and the whole accused family mistreated her.
This season, yeah, we've heard quite the opposite. All we really have so far is Jake's plea deal, where he has testified that George was only there last minute and really was only there to protect Jake from their father, which, you know, we're still trying to unpack what that actually means. So let's play that out really quickly, just this scenario as we maybe know it right now. According to all of these plea agreements, Jake, who has admitted to five killings...
And dad, Billy Wagner, they were the ones that were going to go out and do all of the killing. So that's five that Jake was going to do or has admitted to, leaving the remaining three maybe done by Billy. Yet at the very last minute, George, the oldest brother, to protect his younger brother, decides to go along with them, even though he's been a part of the planning. He wasn't intending on going.
And now, according to Angela Wagner, she stayed behind to babysit. So now George tags along. What does that mean? Is he equally responsible? Is he not responsible at all? He was a part of all the planning, so maybe he wasn't one of the trigger pullers. But it also speaks to the larger question of why would George Wagner think their father was going to kill or harm Jake Wagner?
It's certainly a good question, and I wonder if George's defense will bring that up. Because I think in the eyes of the law, if you plan a murder and you're at the murder, you're pretty culpable in the crime. And so whether you're there to protect someone else or not, we'll see if that matters and how much that will play out in his upcoming trial.
If we're just going to play along with this version of a tale, if George Wagner was just tagging along to protect Jake Wagner from their father, Billy Wagner, go with me here for one quick second. That would imply that Billy Wagner's dad was allegedly going to kill or harm Jake Wagner. But why would he do that? Why would George have to protect Jake from their dad?
And I guess the only thing that would sort of make sense is because maybe Billy Wagner was going to kill Jake Wagner just so there was nobody left to turn him in.
Yeah, there would have been one less witness. And as we know, kind of how the dynamics of the family were, Jake and Angela Wagner were very close, and Billy and George Wagner were very close, so perhaps George felt that if he went, he could maybe talk some sense, for lack of a better term, into his dad and protect Jake at the same time.
It's certainly complicated. It's important to note that both George and Billy Wagner have pleaded not guilty on all counts and have not yet had their day in court. So everything we're talking about is just Jake and Angela Wagner's version of events. Otherwise, the prosecution would not allow their version of events to be, frankly, the foundation of their upcoming trials. Yeah, certainly the prosecution believes Jake and Angela's version of how things went down that night. But...
It's just important to note that Billy and George are disputing all this.
And it's not just us, Steph, who are trying to unpack this. The people who were close with the Wagner family are still kind of wrapping their head around all of this. Particularly Chris Newcomb, who, as we know, is Angela Wagner's half-brother, was very close with George. And in talking to him numerous times, he's still really grappling with this whole situation and still trying to come to terms with George Wagner's possible involvement. And it's been six years since this whole thing happened.
Chris was born when his older half-sister Angela was 20. The age gap kept the two from growing close, but Chris was drawn to her boys, specifically to George. I mean, hell, me and my nephews, we grew up more like brothers than we did uncle and nephews. I'm two and a half years older than Jake and a year and a half older than George. I was always closer to George than I was with Jake. Me and George, we'd always go hunting, fishing, camping. He always wanted to have his own hunting show. You know, he wanted to go on TV and
hunt these monster deer and turkey and elk and stuff like that. I mean, he loved hunting that much. Sammy Jo spoke with us earlier in the season about both the Roden and Wagner families. She dated Frankie Roden from 7th to 9th grade and was involved with Jake Wagner at times. But she also had a crush on George. I probably shouldn't say this, but...
What did you like about George?
Really? Wow. So he was like your Santa Claus. And did you ever confess to George that you kind of liked him? Nope.
Now he'll never know. He was just a nice guy. Good to be around. You know, didn't really talk too much, but he was definitely a nice person. Howard grew up with the Wagners and lived near them in both Ohio and Alaska. I just remember my sister. I'll keep her name out of it, but she kind of had a crush on George and she would always talk to him on Facebook and things like that.
It's very funny because you're the second person today who has made mention of a family member, specifically his sister, who kind of loved George from a distance and still have the nicest, kindest things to say of him. If I had a daughter and he were her age, that's who I would want my daughter dating. He was just a great guy. He was super nice, like very friendly. Jake on the other hand was kind of secluded, kind of recluse, but George was just nice, like all around a nice guy.
We've been able to speak with a whole host of new family members and friends this season. Patricia, you may recall, is one of them. Patricia is the mother of George's ex-wife, Tabitha. Tabitha was bullied into relinquishing control of her child with George by Angela Wagner. The situation was eerily similar to the custody battle between Hannah Mae Roden and Jake Wagner that was happening before the massacre.
Patricia claims Angela pulled all the strings within the Wagner clan.
And the way she holds her demeanor around me, you could tell that she was all fake. Tabby wasn't afraid of George. Hannah wasn't afraid of Jake. They were only afraid of Angela.
Sammy Jo saw firsthand how Angela exerted control over her sons. She was really intimidating. Normally, growing up, I was always with Jake. And then as I got older, the contact changed from Jake to George. Because Jake became a stuck-up, I'm trying to think of nice, not-so-hateful words. But he became Angela.
Angela took over Tabitha's life as well. For two years, she lived with them and was not allowed to have any contact with me whatsoever because Angela didn't want her to. They even went as far as taking Tabitha's cell phone from her because she was texting me. Angela knows that Tabitha has always been close to every one of her sisters and every one of them could have talked her out of it. Every one of them could have talked Tabitha out of there. And Angela knew that.
We're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Hi, it's Andrea Gunning, host of Betrayal. I'm excited to announce that the Betrayal podcast is expanding. We are going to be releasing episodes weekly, every Thursday. Each week, you'll hear brand new stories, firsthand accounts of shocking deception, broken trust, and the trail of destruction left behind.
Stories about regaining a sense of safety, a handle on reality after your entire world is flipped upside down from unbelievable romantic betrayals. The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family. When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal.
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. I'm John Walzak.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some tree.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I spent almost a decade researching right wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters.
But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little Hitlers of the suburbs, from the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the Satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. And you can laugh. Honestly, I think you have to. Seeing these guys for what they are doesn't mean they're not a threat.
It's a survival strategy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America. Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition?
Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions.
Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Six years after the murders, Chris Newcomb still finds Georgia's potential involvement in the Pyton massacre very hard to grasp. I mean, I ought to trust the Georgia with my life, and that's the guy's honest truth on the matter. So how do you wrap your head around that? Feeling like someone who you trust your life with is allegedly being a part of something where eight people are dead.
I guess, yeah. I kid you not. I don't see him doing...
Sammy Jo spent time with George after the murders. But George, like, shut me out. Like, he goes, how could we do it?
We spoke to a close friend of George's, who after the interview was done, decided it hit a little too close to home and requested their voice not be used at all. Here's Stephanie and Jeff recounting the conversation.
This young woman who was very close with the Wagner family recounted to us that the morning of November 13th, 2018, the day all of the Wagners were arrested, she had actually been communicating with both George and Angela. And according to her, the conversations were rather mundane. They were talking about how their days were going, what kind of errands they were running. And we know that Jake and George were together at the time of their arrests, and they were in their truck running errands.
and that Angela Wagner was dropping her grandkids off at school. They also talked about things like Thanksgiving, which was coming up in a couple of weeks. And within minutes of ending the conversations, this young woman saw the news of the arrest. And after the shock of the news, her first thoughts were it had to have been Billy and Jake. ♪
Angela and George must have been covering for them. And again, that doesn't make it a matter of fact, but she was incredibly surprised and steadfast that George and Angela must have been covering for Billy and Jake. Yeah. It paints a picture of what that day was like, which is very bizarre because you see the news footage of Billy getting cuffed and the body cam footage. Minutes before that, they were just living their lives, hoping to get away with murder.
Or they were just expecting to go through the formality of being arrested, being booked, being released on bail, and that this would all go away. I think that's what they really believed at this point.
It doesn't explain why they came back though. So they came back to care for Billy Wagner's ailing father, but they didn't really move back. They just came back and were staying in that small house that we ultimately saw recently. But they weren't settled in. Were they just coming back with the understanding that they were going to get arrested and that would blow over really quickly and then they could pick up life and go back to normal?
According to everyone who knew them, that seemed to be their frame of mind. Court just wrapped up in Pike County. Mike Schell was there as George Wagner IV made an appearance. He's been covering the Pike County massacres since it happened in 2016. This spring, George Wagner appeared in court as part of his pretrial hearings. He walked into the courtroom unrestrained and dressed in civilian clothes. He's tall, so he had to bow his head to hear the hushed direction of his lawyers before he sat for the hearing.
So, Mike, what happened in court today? Chris, this was a revealing day here in the Pike County Courthouse. Captain Seth Hageman, now with the Westchester Police Department, was a special agent with the Bureau of Criminal Investigations back in 2016, and he was one of the lead investigators there.
on the Pike County murders. Now, Hageman spent about two and a half hours on the stand testifying. Here's the police captain's interpretation of a tattoo that George Wagner got just a few months after the murders. Obviously, a skull is often used to be associated with death and mortality. And then eight balls is sometimes thought as a symbol of chance, but there also should be noted there were eight victims in the rodent homicides.
And then he had tattoos of aces and eights that are commonly considered the dead man's hand and represent death and murder. Here again is Stephanie and Jeff.
So let's break this down a bit. And it's a bit confusing because we were not able to obtain the entire hearing courtroom footage and instead have to fall back on reporting. And different sources have said different things about when George Wagner got this tattoo. Some news sources have said it was before the murders and some have said after. So it's not totally clear to us which is true. What we do know is that at some point, George Wagner got a tattoo of himself.
of a dead man's hand. And for those of you who are not familiar with poker, a dead man's hand is composed of eights and aces. It's called the dead man's hand because it's rumored to be the hand of a man named Wild Bill Hickok, who was holding it when he was shot in the back by a rival. And because of that, the hand is now cursed forever. Which again, we don't know the link, but if we're going to analyze all of the behavior of the Wagners pre and post murder,
It certainly seems like it's possible that George Wagner knows this folklore story and decided to get a tattoo because he himself shot the rodents. Much has been made online about their various tattoos and Facebook postings and it's,
Yes, you can read into them for sure. For example, it's speculated that the eight ball connects the eight members of the Rodin family. That's possible. It also could be a big stretch. George Wagner's trial is tentatively set to begin two months from now. Based on a recent hearing, the prosecution's case is pushing forward with the fundamental argument that the murders were a family affair, with George being complicit in the crimes.
They function as one unit at all times. Like I said, they worked together. They homeschooled together. This is demonstrated by factors including but not limited to them residing together in a very insular manner their entire lives, even while married as adults. It establishes this conspiracy. It establishes the enterprise. All of this information goes together to show that they were conspiring.
The possible depths of George's allegiance to his family was on full display on April 28, 2016, on a warm day in South Shore, Kentucky.
We received a picture from a listener that was used in the Cincinnati Inquirer. And while we can't be 100% certain, it appears to have Billy, George, and Jake Wagner in it. It was taken at the funeral of Gary Roden.
Also, I think it's worth noting, Jeff, that we actually were tipped off to this photograph by a listener. We hadn't seen it before. And when you look at it, it's pretty staggering because it's all three Wagner accused men. And you can't really see their expressions too, too closely, but you can just see they're clearly speaking to somebody. And it just makes you wonder what could they possibly be talking about?
what could possibly be going on in their heads collectively. They also have to look the people in the eye and the family members in the eye of the people that they allegedly murdered. You know, everyone is there grieving. The whole town is there grieving. And you know full well that you're at the exact same place that you caused all of that pain for everyone.
yeah what's so striking to me that is if indeed these are the wagner men attending gary rodent's funeral just how performative the whole thing must have been they went there as this grieving family supporting their friends and sort of in-laws i mean the wagons and the rodents were sort of in-laws to one another and so to have to go there and put on this show of a grieving family is pretty hard to wrap your head around
Kind of relevant here too, George Wagner's whole defense is that he had nothing to do with this. Yet here we see the family as they stand together at the funeral of a man that was allegedly murdered by at least some of them. So George was in the mix and we've heard some very checkered things about him, certainly how he handled his own ex-wife in the custody of their child.
But this season, we also started to hear things that are also quite different, that he was really loving and kind and that he could never pull this off. And then you look at a picture like this and it does make you wonder. My sister always kept him on a short leash. I mean, she wouldn't let him do anything, wouldn't let him get away from anybody. You know, I mean, she just kept him on a short leash. They had to stay there, had to take care of the family. George wanted to leave. He wanted his own place, but...
Never got it. If you're raised your entire life a certain way, it's hard to change. If you've had something pounded, like they was homeschooled all their life. I think it was just the fact that he was, like I said, had it pounding in his head that you always have to take care of the family, always help the family. Whatever they do, you got to be a part of to help or whatever.
And I think it just pounded in his head so much that he started believing it. Because I know that he was raised up to always take care of Jake. No matter what, he has to protect Jake. It don't matter if Jake does wrong to somebody else and they won't pay back on it. It don't matter. You got to take care of your brother. And so when Angela is like, this Hannah girl is trouble. She's trying to take away Jake's daughter. What's he going to do? Protect his brother? Yeah. That's the way he was raised up. After Jake confessed to it or whatever he did. Hell, I just said, I ain't got nothing for him anymore.
I've always been so curious to know more about life behind bars for the individual Wagner family members. We know that they've been separated and haven't seen each other since their arrests.
We've been in contact with one of Angela Wagner's cellmates. We know that George Wagner requested solitary confinement in a Bible and that he was originally in Ross County Jail, but is currently in the Montgomery County Jail in Ohio. And as for Angela and Billy Wagner, they have both been in the same jails since they were arrested. Billy is in Hamilton, Ohio, and Angela Wagner is in Delaware County, Ohio.
The youngest Wagner son, Jake, is currently being held in the Franklin County Jail in Columbus, Ohio. And all of these jails are in about 175 mile radius of each other and a little under three hours. But for a family who will probably never see each other again, except for when they are testifying against each other in court, those three hours probably feel like a lifetime. And Steph, you know a little bit more about Jake's time in jail, right?
Somebody who has access to Jake Wagner on a daily basis came and saw us at a work event and said that Jake is very busy working on a manifesto.
So whether that's something he's putting together as a book or as a final statement, we don't know. You hear the term manifesto a lot when it comes to shooters. Often people who go and shoot public places write these manifestos prior to their murders. I hate to say this out loud, but what a shakeup that would be to the remaining trials. Let's stop here for another break.
After your entire world is flipped upside down,
From unbelievable romantic betrayals... The love that was so real for me was always just a game for him. To betrayals in your own family... When I think about my dad, oh, well, he is a sociopath. Financial betrayal...
This is not even the part where he steals millions of dollars. And life or death deceptions. She's practicing how she's going to cry when the police calls her after they kill me. Listen to Betrayal Weekly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Walzak, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on, Paul.
In 2001, police say I killed my family. First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode. In a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog flew. All I could think of is him and the sniper me out of some trees.
But not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave. Tracking down clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.
Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house, the hunt, family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I spent almost a decade researching right wing extremism, digging into the lives of people you wouldn't be wrong to call monsters.
But if Scooby-Doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little Hitlers of the suburbs, from the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the Satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil. They're just some weird guy. And you can laugh. Honestly, I think you have to. Seeing these guys for what they are doesn't mean they're not a threat.
It's a survival strategy. So join me every Thursday for a look under the mask at the weird little guys trying to destroy America. Listen to Weird Little Guys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition?
Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions. Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
George's ties to his family will be put to the test at this trial. In light of Jake's admission of guilt and Angela's plea, the eldest son of the Wagner clan is in a tight spot. Was George's alleged involvement in the murders as a passive participant? Or could he be a cold-blooded killer? Here again, Sammy Jo.
But again, they're just going to drag their feet and eventually...
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