#72 Seinfeld ft. Mark Normand
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Hello, folks. Welcome to Nate Land. Got a little special one here for you. This is a special episode that we're going to put out. So I'm here with Brian Bates. Aaron Weber, not here. Hates the Seinfeld TV show. Yep. And so we got a new person in that's a big fan of the Seinfeld TV show, Mark Norman. Hey.

Hey, hey, good to be here. Thanks for having me. There he is, in person. I look like Aaron's after photo. Yeah, yeah. There's, yeah, you do. Like, that's what he wants to get to. That was goal weight. Yeah, he's like, God, if I could just get down to that, I'd go. No one could stop me then. Don't do it, Aaron. Yeah, stay where you're at. He's lost a lot of weight. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's lost, I mean, a ton of weight, actually. But, you know, he still has another you amount of weight to lose. And...

No, he's on the road. Yeah, Aaron, yeah, that's why. That would help. I should have said it. I wasn't even thinking that, but it would be great. So I told Aaron, no. I said I brought in Mark Norman, and Mark Norman, if he moves to Nashville, you're out, Aaron. Yeah. No, it's, yeah, he's on the road, and this was very kind of last-minute quick. You're in town. You're at Zaney's this weekend, which, I mean, you would have already played there by the time people heard this. All sold out. Added a show. Yeah.

You're starting it up, dude. Pretty shocking. I can't believe it. I feel good. You started selling some cut. Are you starting to sell more weekends out? It's clicking. It's clicking, but there's some weird markets where you go, oh boy, Indianapolis. They really hate me here. No, no. You got to go to those. I do. They're all... I mean, yeah, I know you do it. Me and you were very similar when we were both in New York. We were the ones that did a ton of spots. Yes. Yes.

We did, I mean, we couldn't stop. Couldn't stop. Every kind of room, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, club, bar show. No days off. No days off. Who needs it? I mean, what else are we doing? Yeah, that's what's so great when you first came to New York and I was there. When did you start comedy? 07, 06. So when did you move to New York?

Late '07. Yeah. So I was there like three years at that point. But it's funny, New York, three years, you might as well be there 10. Yeah. Like it just so much. And I remember when you moved there and why we got along was because of that. Because it was like, I was doing the spots. I left in 2012.

And then it was like, then you were like, you just were like, I was like, yeah, dude, you do everything. Yeah. That's what I did. No days off. No, you got to be a psycho. I missed a ton of weddings, a ton of holidays. Your parents hate you. I know. Sometimes you pay to go on. Yeah. I couldn't do it again. Like, do you ever think back? Like, I don't, just the eating pizza every night, the drinking, the day jobs, brutal. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't want to.

I always think that, funnest time of my life. Yeah. But I wouldn't want to go back. Couldn't do it. And I think people do that with college. They would break you. Oh, yeah. Couldn't do it. Oh, I was on my honeymoon in Amsterdam, and he was like, you know, Norman's there with Bert Kreischer. And I'm like, I cannot hang with him. That's one night. No. Yeah, on his honeymoon. I was like, how do you not go? Yeah. You got to go see him.

Well, it wasn't like, oh, yeah, I didn't want my new museum. I couldn't hang with you for one night. It would ruin my wedding before I got home. Yeah, that's true. She would stay. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, but you do it. I'm trying to think. I don't think I did comedy money. Like, you're a go-do. If you go to something, you're like, I mean, I'd go visit my mother-in-law. Mm-hmm.

with Laura. And I remember going to Huntsville and doing shows. I'm like, I'm going to go out and do a show tonight. Like you just find a show. Yeah. The ladies hate that. Yeah. Not fans. A couple of years ago, I went to Zany's on a Wednesday night to see you. It's half full. And then this weekend I'm like, Hey, can I come see Norman? They're like Saturday at four. It's the only chance you can. I'll get you. Everything else is sold out. I gotcha. Yeah. At a four o'clock show. Yeah. You have to do that now. Like you have to sometimes go,

they're like people want they're like oh we want to come like Saturday or the show yeah of course you do yeah that's a little tough exactly and you gotta throw I have one show that's like I just been like look that one's gonna be a little it's like the you gotta get your people in like when I do Nashville's like I get you know it's like family yep wife's family like it's all our family and some old my old friends and then

The other ones that I know that are my friends now, you're like, y'all got to go on this other day. The off peak. Yeah. You can't be there that day. No. And also, I don't know about you, but I hate family and friends in the audience. I want the strangers. Oh, I don't let them sit up front. There you go. I always tell people, if I'm giving them tickets and they're on my guest list and they're like, oh, is it going to be good seats? I'm like, no, no, no.

You should buy them if you want better seats. You're not going to be up front. No. You can't. No. If you look at someone that knows you,

And so you just think they see through. They don't. I don't think they think that, but it's hard. You think they see through you because they're like, you're like, that's not, you know, or something. It might be like, yeah, it's like, we're not all like that. I don't know. It's just hard. It's hard. It makes you feel vulnerable and less authentic. Yeah. My buddy, Michael Clay, who I started comedy with,

I remember I came out to Zany's once, and when it was kind of packed, it was starting to... I don't know if it was... Maybe it was one night or something. I don't know. But it was maybe sold out that night. And then, so I got him tickets. I walked on stage, and he's front row right there. And they put him there. And my first move on stage, the door opens, and I just go...

Just look at him like, why would you? And he thinks he's being a great friend. Look at me. Supporting. Now he knew because we started comedy and he just, I go like that and he goes, I'm sorry. They just put him there and he's like, what's he going to, you know, he's not going to yell at someone for putting him there. It's where you learn that you're like, oh, I got to make sure I tell them. Right. Like, hey,

If I have someone, they can't be in my sight line. Yeah. If you're a friend or family, if you want to go see a show, go secretly. Then you'll see the real show. Yeah. Otherwise, we're going to change it up because we see you. Yeah, yeah. That's true. You could just not say anything. Yeah. But then you get off stage and go, my aunt was here? Oh, boy. Oh, no. I went hard. I'm talking about her uncle for half an hour. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, you got off and go, I got a new 30 minutes of my mom's book. And you're like, oh, your aunt was here. She's like, oh, I shouldn't have tried it tonight. I know everyone, though. It's all friends and family. So I have to stagger them. My least liked friends and family up front and then just work them back. So now these people who listen to this know.

Well, I mean, I had front row seats to Brian. You can go, you know, I am not a fan of you. Right, right. It's the least you see. Yeah. It's like you got to get your friends and family. You're like, well, I don't see them a lot. And so like they can go closer. And the closer to you, the farther back they go. Exactly. But it is perfect for us. And I think we're introverted, weirdo comedians. So if somebody goes, I'm going to come see your show, you go, great. This counts as a hang. Yeah. Because otherwise it would be a nightmare for us. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You do a lot of – I mean, I hang – it's mostly at my shows. Yeah. And I still see – I see more people than most people see. Mm-hmm.

because you're always going to their town. And then so we go hang out. And like my buddy Mitch from high school just came to Charleston. And he came, ate with us, hung out with us backstage, went to the show. We hung out after the show. And then that was it. And it was like, you know, some of you just get so busy. You're like, dude, if you want to hang, this is the hang. This is it. Because I can't.

You know, it's like when I'm home, you're like, I'm barely home. Yeah. And I still have a family. Yes. And so, you know, I had to somewhat –

Because I can come home and want to golf or something. This weekend, I had buddies come. Some buddies came over. You're just kind of busy. And then it's like, I was talking to Laura. I was like, I got to get better at being like, oh, let me just get home. Same. It's not like I don't talk to them. But it's like, I bring a circus around me. Of course. And then your circus kind of comes home. And then you got to be like, oh, it's all kind of new to me. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I got to get, I need to be better at.

being with them. Yes. You know, being, we're going to my daughter's softball game tonight. It's like, well, it's like, you go to that, just me, you know, no one else is there. And there's so much of me that's, you're like, hey, you want to go to my daughter's, you know, because comics just want, they're like, oh, let's come hang out. Yeah, yeah. And in comics, we're such idiots. We'll be like, yeah, I'll go, dude. I'll go to this kid's softball game. Because we're like, what if we get a joke out of it? Exactly. And then they get a fight with the ref. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're closer. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

You got to be open to everything as a comic. That's true. Which it's real easy not to. Yeah. Really easy to go. No, thanks. I'm not going to that. Very easy. And you got to go to stuff that you're not comfortable doing. Cause that's, you know, and you want to be, you got to live. You know, I remember Sinbad said that in a book.

Where he was like, before you get started, you do, you know, it's like you're on, he was on a Greyhound bus and he's the funniest comedian in the country. But he's like, but then you start riding in limos and you start doing all this stuff. You get famous and then you can't go do the things that you normally could have done. Well, then your act becomes ridiculous.

Not as good. Yeah, of course. But Sinbad became very crowd work, yo. I wonder if that's a big part of it. Oh, yeah. Because it's almost like, what's he going to talk about in his regular life? He's in movies. He's famous. He can't do this stuff. He's like, well, I'll just be funny and talk to the crowd. Right. And then maybe that's a way to adapt. Oh, yeah. I never thought about that. I did a gig at Caroline's. Remember those Caroline's gigs that you'd follow Sinbad or whatever? He would do an hour. Yeah. He probably did three hours. So he pushed the show that I was on with a bunch of no-name guys. That just...

canceled because he just took up all the time and so we kind of showed up like oh geez in bed what are you doing and he goes don't worry and he just told us stories for another three hours oh so now we had to listen to those yeah but it was probably a fun great great stories that's it i think i've talked about that talk about opening for paul mooney on here oh wow uh i don't know not opening for him but we so paul mooney who just passed away uh uh

It was like a legendary comic, black comic. If people don't know him. But he wrote for, yeah, look at the camera. He's black. He's black, yeah. Fact check. Yeah. I just looked into it. Confirmed. Confirmed. And so he was like with Eddie Murphy. I mean, this dude's like a legend. Legend, prior. And so he would do these Sunday shows. Remember the, he would always do like Sunday or something at Caroline's. So his audience would come in. He would show up.

I know Jay, Big Jay opened for him once. And when he goes up, they go, look, you might do five minutes and you might do an hour. Yeah. We don't know. And so you just got to go up. And that's hard. Usually, if someone ever tells you,

Dude, just go up until we light you. We don't know. That's like the worst. Yeah. Because you're like, I just need some kind of timeframe. Exactly. Like, what am I doing? Like, am I trying to just murder for 10 minutes or am I, do I got to do an hour? Well, then I don't want to just be at 20 minutes and be like, well, I've done all my A stuff and they're like, you need 40 more minutes. And you're like, well, I haven't saved anything. Exactly. So it's hard.

And it's not really your crowd. It's his crowd. It's his crowd. And so one show we're doing it, and he doesn't show up. And so they just put us up because they're like, well, we got these people here. We can't have a show. So obviously his crowd is...

like him. Yeah. And they're older too. Like his crowd's older. And I, you know, I don't think they're not thrilled to be watching just a bunch of white comics. Sure. That's what they had to throw. So we all just go up in front of Paul Mooney's crowd and they're like,

what is this? I remember just looking at this man, this old man. He's just, the whole show is just shaking his head. Like his mindset was like, all right, I'm about to go here, dude, trash white people for an hour. It's going to be amazing. And then he just gets white people shoved in his face more. And you're like, I mean, he hate like, you know. Where was this at? Caroline's. Yeah. It was just so funny that we were like,

Why would you get, don't put us up there. And they're like, I mean, we don't, what are we going to do? He's not here. Yeah, and you are. And they're here, and you are. And so they told him, some people left, and some people were like, I guess I'll stay. And it just wasn't their cup of tea. I opened for J.B. Smoove there, and it was right when Curb hit. Everybody loved Curb. He was on Curb. And so it was all Jewish people in the audience, like New York Jews, and

And he came out to the, ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da. So they're going nuts. Like, oh, we're going to see Leon Black. He was filthy. I mean, like, deaf comedy jam. And I remember watching everybody walk out. It was like the exodus of the, you know, let my people go. All just leaving yarmulke after yarmulke. Gone. Just getting out of there. Yeah. That's all he saw. That's it. Everybody puts it back on and they leave. Yeah.

I don't know. Do they take it off? I don't think so. Yeah. You leave it on, right? I saw you open for Bruce Bruce at Carolina. Oh, yeah. Woo! Yeah. By the way, this is an episode about Seinfeld. Ha ha ha!

I don't know how we've got here. Yeah. I opened for Bruce Bruce. That was the, the funniest. He was very nice. Didn't talk to him much. Was like, kind of like going his green room, going to green McCallons, like kind of pay your respects to like a legend and be like, I'm in a comic. I'm from the South. And you know, he's like, that's good, man. He's like, good for you. Keep doing it. You know, like it was very polite. Yeah. And then you just kind of walk out of the room. Didn't spend a ton of time with him. Uh,

Not in a bad way. I mean, he's a dude that travels everywhere. That's the thing. Some comics get so mad at headliners. Not like saying us, but even before I was ever headlining, I just remember him being like, he never talked to me. Dude, he has to talk to everybody every weekend. You think he wants to talk to you? You've been doing comedy six months. I know. And you got to go talk to this guy? No. It would drive you crazy. Yeah. They think, oh, well, Bond...

He'll take me on the road. We'll have this great relationship. Like, come on, this is a gig. He's gone tomorrow. Yeah. And you will, so just be like, how do I get his gig? Yeah. You shouldn't be trying to say, how do I get on the road with that guy? It should be like, well, how do I become that guy? And that's what you do. And that's the problem. People just look at like, how do I become on the road with that guy? And you're like, well, that can end up being not working out. Yeah. And then so then you make it and then your feelings get hurt because you've got a lot more –

You look at it where you're like, I'm not relying anything on this guy. It's cool that I get to do this, and that's where it lies. Anything else is bonus. And just kill this show. Just kill this show. And so I went up, and I go on stage, sold out, and it was good. And then when you bring him up,

you like leave this stage yeah and so uh and they announce it you know it's a proper theater like bringing up this is at caroline's and he goes so i go all right good night i walk off stage mark theobald was on the show too yeah and then uh

So I think I was – I went up first, and Mark went up. Maybe Mark was hosting because he was going to bring Bruce Bruce up. Mark was farther along than me as a comic, but I think Mark – it's like that's part of the show is him being up there. Okay. And then so I go up, do like whatever, and then they go, all right, everybody's walking on stage. Bruce, Bruce. They yell his name, and he's in the green room, and he's not coming. They start playing a song, and he's not coming. And I almost –

And thank goodness I didn't. Went to them and said, hey, they said your name. Oh. Because I didn't think, you know, I'm so new that I think like,

I'm used to, like, when they say your name, I'm sprinting to the stage. Of course. Yeah. And so I almost, I don't know the theatrics of, like, what he's doing. And so, I mean, you know, I always thought I was going to go up to him and go, they said your name name. And so, luckily, some good part of me is going, don't do that. Yes. I imagine he knows.

It's a sold out show for him. And then he comes out with two people, two security dudes walking behind him. This song, people are losing it. Funny, the two security dudes are

smaller than he is. And like, where you're like, they would do nothing. Like he would have to fight people to make sure they don't get killed. And then he gets on stage and like wraps the last part of the song. And then like, that's it. It was pretty cool. Like, and so it was like, oh, all right. But it was a fun, you know, that's a fun thing to see. It's a hell of an experience. And I assume you open for earthquake at some point. Yeah. Someday. I hope so. Yeah. He's a killer. He does pretty good. Uh, with, uh,

urban African American black. My best video is all black show. Yeah. Oh, there you go. It's got like 2 million views. Well, it's funny because you get to be the white guy, the novelty. Oh, yeah. And he's that. Yeah. You're that with us. Yeah. I'm like, geez, whitey. You're like, good. You're not prepared for it? Yeah.

You're like, all right, let's calm it down. This episode is about Seinfeld television show. Oh, yeah. That's one of my favorite curb things when J.B. Smoove doesn't know Seinfeld. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And he's like, this show is Larry David. He's like, you never watched this show? He's like, no, I've never seen it. What is this? Yeah, what is this? He goes, this is really funny. He's like, you never seen Seinfeld? He's like, no.

Never saw it. Yeah. Never even heard of it. Never even heard of it. You know whoever? I'm not trying to... This will be a name drop because I'm saying it. Who else doesn't know Seinfeld? Lance Armstrong. What? So, I did his podcast. I've got to know him. He's coming to a few shows and we were talking about it.

Because when Seinfeld was on, he was in Europe. He was doing Tour de France. He was the top of the game. So he was basically Seinfeld. At that point, you look at it, Jordan, Seinfeld, Lamps, Armstrong. Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods was coming right at the end of that. He was like 2000. But it was like all that kind of was like those dudes were the main dudes anybody talked about. True. So he was gone. So he was in another country. So he's like never watched it.

Makes sense. All his references when you talk to him are like pre him going to start riding bikes. Oh, wow. It's like old Eddie Murphy specials are delirious. Like it's the only thing he knows is he'll talk to you and be like, what about this? You're like, yeah, dude, that was the early 80s or late 80s. And he's like, well, then he became Lance Armstrong. So he's like, I was like, he did nothing. I was busy. Yeah. And now he's like, what happened with OJ? Yeah. He goes, man, what's a great running back? You know? I go, yeah, well, a lot has changed. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't be a shock to your system, but... Yeah. So, all right. To get started, you have a couple comments. We're only doing a couple because it's a special episode. Well, and these are brand new. It's not like I've been saving these. This one came yesterday. I would love Mark Norman to come on this podcast, but I'm pretty sure Nate Land would lose a few podcast fans. I mean, talk about other end of the spectrum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not funny. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's funny.

Yeah, no, if you listen to Norman, I mean, you're basically, you do get dirty, but you're kind of, I always told you, I was like, you can do a Tonight Show tomorrow. Yeah. Like, you can clean it up.

take stuff out and that's the part of his comic there's a lot of comics that i think people think they're dirty and but they're the ones that don't always feel dirty uh unless you're looking for it yeah but they you know like you you've done a million like late night appearances so you can't talk about stuff on there yeah so you're uh you're you're you would be one that's like you're you're kind of a cleaner act but you you know you curse and you have some

other jokes stuff like that but you know not too far like vecchione was just with us yeah killer mike is the same kind of mike's basically clean yeah and like some of it is like oh yeah just be clean dude like but uh the ultimate compliment you get this a lot is like oh i didn't even realize nate was clean oh yeah the nicest thing you can say that's that's all you want yeah that's all you want because you don't want someone to be like they're there for that i mean some people are there for that and so you want those people too but you want other people to not because i think there's just a

tarnish on clean. Yeah. It's people think, I'm not watching this. It's like a clean, like it's not going to be, it's corny. It's not going to be written well and all this stuff. And like, I just had this idea. You're like, no, no, no, no. We, I always think that's an audience I want to go after is like to show them like we can create things that don't have to be. Yeah. Dirty. And like, you're just, and no one's doing it. So why, why don't I just try to do that and go after that? And cause then you're gonna get the people.

that you know i want people that come to you come to tom segura come to whoever tell and then i want them to come to me and like i want us to all be like yeah we're all the same comics whether you want this or that or whatever these are all great comics yeah i'm not saying me i'm not trying to throw myself in that but you guys but you know what i mean like you just want to be a great comic yes and you want to be no matter what people do i'm sorry uh

Here we go. Aaron's gone one point. And then, yeah. Have you ever had a bit, and I've always wondered this about clean comics, where you go, oh, this is so good, but it's not clean. And you just want to do it. Maybe one or two. And one of them I talked about, and that's on YouTube, in that article that was written where he talked about it. It was like a joke about

like i prostitution like and i added something like that it was it was clean but it was like on my edge the edgier side and i and then i had someone reach out and i like heard this girl's feelings and i just hated it and so i i mean i never really told that joke again but it's but it got taped at a comedy club so it's like it's not my video yeah and uh so it's just up it's not a

it's not a bad joke, but it just was like mean spirited. And I didn't like that. I didn't want to hurt someone's feelings. Like no matter what they, no matter who they are, whether they're that or they're in church or they're on the street,

It's just not... I don't think I find it fun to be like... I feel the same way. Some people are like, oh, you say this edgy stuff. Are you trying to get a rise out of people? I'm like, no way. I never got those comics. I walk half the room. Why? I want the room to have a good time and laugh. I think people that do that are not good comics. I think so, too. They're walking the room anyway, and so they're like, well, I'll do better if I just try to walk it on purpose. Yeah. And so then I get to be the guy that, oh, you got to go see it, walk through it, and you're almost playing that. You're becoming that niche. True. Or...

you know, weirdly enough, people could not like to hear this. Larry David kind of like, you could argue with his standup is he would go up. It's very funny. The stories are very funny. Like, I mean, he went on stage when he first started and we look at the crowd and be like, no, I don't like this crowd and walk off stage. And you look and now you're like, that's hilarious, dude. That's so funny to do that. But then you're like in that moment, you're like, well, he's not good enough to do standup. Yeah. And I'm not trying to say anything, but it's like not to trash him or something. Like obviously he's,

Yeah. Obviously, he's like brilliant. Yeah. But it's like in that world, you're like, you know, dude, I mean, yeah, your job is to go perform for these people. Yeah. Don't do that job. And he did it. Yeah. He did this job. And this was the...

job that was the one and then curb and like he's unreal and now you know i think he could you know probably do some stand-up yeah now but like he's very people get him now i don't think they got him then that's true and that's part of stand-up is getting the audience to get you immediately and he was like i'm not doing that part i'll go write something right yeah go do it and then like yeah

yeah we uh but coming up with stuff now i would say my i just don't my mind doesn't really go to that so it's you really put yourself in the position to be whatever you write is kind of what you think about it's what you're looking for yeah so i'm not since i'm not doing any of that stuff you know i don't have any sex jokes or any like that kind of stuff uh

I'm just not looking there for jokes. And so, like, I just don't – it just doesn't come into my mind. Not saying it never will. I don't know. I don't want to say anything. But I just – it would be very forced. Yeah. It would feel forced. And so, I don't – I just don't. It just doesn't pop in. That's good. Yeah. Because then you have to push it down. If it doesn't pop in anyway, you're golden. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's always helped you with late nights and stuff like that. You're just like – I just don't think like that. So, yeah.

Not saying it's better or worse or any, I have no, but it's like, I'm just, that's how my, that's how I think. I do think right and clean is more skillful because you actually have to find the magic in some scenario or, you know, if you do a joke about tables, it's gotta be actually funny. Whereas if you throw in the dirty, the curse word,

You can get it kind of more about a sex joke, but you just started with a table. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's way harder to go full clean. But I think when you nail a clean joke, it's actually, you found the comedy in it. Yeah. Instead of just flipping it over to something. Well, people are cursing sometimes now. It's like, some of them, you're like, all right, dude, it's too much. Oh, yeah. You're like, you can't be...

you know, saying these words is like just your in-between words. Oh, the filler. And then you're even, then it blows for the part where you, it blows it for when you actually need that word. Yes. Because you're just saying it like,

Like the way I say like. It's like just kind of a brain part where you just go like, oh, I'm just trying to think of something real fast. I feel like Seinfeld, most people think Seinfeld's clean, but he'll have an occasional word in there, but it adds to it. It's more impactful because it's rare. Yeah, there's a Cosby, before Cosby, everybody, the whole thing, but he has a joke where he says the A word and it murders.

It's like a two minute laugh because it's so special. Yeah. Yeah. See that. Yeah.

you are as you said you've always stuck by cosby's side yeah and yes i like his later stuff yeah i didn't like his earlier stuff by the way you can see how terrified i'm trying to act normal in this photo and i'm freaking out the whole time what's going on here we uh we did four shows at the beacon highlight of my life yeah this is pre-covid obviously and uh

After the four shows, he likes to do a thing where he goes, I rented out this Italian joint, great pizza. And then we had tiramisu after and a couple of glasses of wine and just talk comedy and trash people and whatever.

I walked home on cloud nine that night, just clicking my heels all the way from. Oh yeah. I mean, it's yeah. When I remember when you, when he mentioned you on the Mets game. Yeah. So they had, or do you have all this stuff for that? Yeah. Do you want to play it? Yeah. Yeah. So this is a big one. I'm going to get misty. Yeah. I want to know who is the best. Yeah.

There's a young guy out there named Mark Norman.

Crazy guys. I mean...

I remember I texted you that night and you were obviously getting blown up. Yeah. Because it was like everybody saw it. We were losing our mind. Yes. Yeah. How quickly did you know it? I was bombing in Buffalo. It was July 4th weekend. So the club was empty. Yeah. I had like 12 people there. Bombing, sweating. I get off stage after the first Friday show. And then you have a minute before you have to do the second show. And I'm in the green room like, whoo. And my phone is like a pinball machine. I was like, huh? And like Seinfeld's talking about, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just.

clicked one of the links and I couldn't believe it. I sent it to my parents. They actually cared about it for the first time. And yeah, it's great because you can't take that away from me. You know, you can ruin my life or kill me or whatever, but I have that on video forever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's...

all three of us in this boat, that's our guy. Yes. That's our, like, we love that guy. Legend. And, uh, I bet you were so grateful for whoever took that photo. I was, yeah. Proving that you had that night. Who took it? He's got a, like a bodyguard kind of right hand man. And he took it for you. He totally did. He was like, there you go. I was like, oh,

Yeah. Because obviously you want it the whole time, but you don't want to be like, hey, can somebody get this? Yeah. Be that guy. That's so good, man, to have people like that that's with him that understand how, like they like you. Yes. And so then they go, he wants this. Exactly. I had my old manager, Abby Robertson, here, grab that. Oh, yeah. She took this one, and I'm always grateful that she took this.

Hey, and I don't know if you can see it, but it was like, this is, I've posted it before, but it's like, Oh wow. It's with, it's with Fallon and Leno. Look how young you are. Yeah. It's crazy, man. It wasn't that long ago. Yeah. That's fat. Those are the bad days. Uh,

But it's like, so they took, so she took this picture and that was the situation where all this was happening. And you're like, well, if I'm lucky, I can get a picture on stage. But this picture is more important than the one that's on stage. Wow. And I'm always grateful that Abby took that picture because it was, Abby Robertson. That's huge. Because it was just, yeah, it was enormous. Like it was just such a good.

It was such a good, that was such a crazy experience. Because when you're around those guys, I've now like talked to Leno. Like, you know, we, he'll call me. He just calls you.

and uh and then we're meeting we'll talk a little bit and it's i'm always like great you're always like i can't believe i'm talking to you it's uh you know you're like this is you just feel like you're like dude you shouldn't be talking i know i know that's you know but you want to give them money or something yeah you're like what's your charity i'll do whatever you want so make a wish for us yeah it's it's such a cool thing seinfeld is the one that i haven't met uh

how annoyed were you when you saw that video like oh come on i mean he called me yeah two hours mark gorman's nothing in this business i mean sign told even said it he said here's a guy that's terrible he hasn't broken yeah he's he's bombing in buffalo right now i'm here i flew to buffalo to make sure he was bombing still no i was happy for you i i would be very very jealous i mean obviously you i want to meet him but i've been very jealous for uh anybody else

But you're just like, for you and how you're like us and you're a big, big, big fan that you're like, I'm happy that

You're a good person. You want good people to get this, and you're a great comic. So you were like, man. And it's crazy because then you're like, that's such a big deal that I can't believe that I was able to talk to you about it. Wow. You're like, golly, dude. Seinfeld's the dude. Being starstruck, it's gotten... It's less and less. I don't get it that much anymore. But him, I would be...

I would be able to talk to him, but it's like, that's all I want. I want to, like, I'm trying to open. I told, I think I told my manager, we're going to try to call him. Seinfeld watches this. I'll open for you any town you want me to come to. He is a fan. I know he likes you. Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't even know. I've heard that. I've heard him say it. There's a guy named Bregazzi, a little dirty, but. Yeah. A little too dirty for my taste. Yeah.

But he's one of us too. You watch him on Communes and Cars. He's got a Jerry Lewis episode, and he's like an eight-year-old. Yes, sir, Mr. Lewis. I love you. I'm a huge fan. Can I ask you about this? And you're like, that's just what we do to him. Yeah. Yeah. It just keeps passing down. Yeah. He, yeah, I want to, yeah, I just want to go out. I want to go out with him. I want to go do this. I just want to talk comedy. I don't even care if I open for him. I just want to be able to go sit and talk comedy with him.

I opened for Ryan Hamilton one weekend and I picked his brain the whole weekend just what it's like opening for him on the road. So yeah, to me it's just an honor to know someone like yourself that's met him. It's like the 50s. Like, you met Babe Ruth. Yeah. You talk to him too like all the time. I mean, we'll text every now and then. It's getting less and less because of COVID and then you just never see him anymore and comedy got weird. So it's less and less but we text about Norm. Yeah. And that was nice. What's his number? Yeah. Yeah.

let's go ahead and pass that along uh hey jerry's neighbor gets the uh norman gave i'm sure you're cool with it yeah yeah they uh yeah it's yeah i imagine that but it's nice to be able to have that you know i do like i had it with uh chris rock because i opened for him and i just did the dar in uh

DC. And that's where they taped Delirious and Robin Williams special. And they did Chris Rock special there. And a bunch more. I think Malaney might have shot something there. And then, so I texted him that

there's a picture of the guy, a picture of his special up on the wall. And he's like, ah, because the main one was delirious. And that's still kind of crazy. Like, dude, I can't believe I'm talking to this, this dude. Yep. I'm taking a picture of his face from a special that he did. And then he's like, yeah, Eddie Murphy is the one, the important one. And you're like, just the fact that you're able to talk to a guy,

That has seen all that stuff. You're like, this is crazy, dude. Well, that's the cool thing about stand-up is we don't have as much pretension. Like, if you're a low-level guitar guy, you're never going to hang out with Mick Jagger. Yeah. But we get to hang out with these guys because we're all just comics. Yeah. They have these big levels of, you know, I'm a superstar. Comics, comic. They want this. Yes. They want this hang. When Foxworthy was with us, it was like, I think Foxworthy would come on the bus with me.

Wow. And like just hang, like Foxworthy, they're at a point where like career stuff is like, they've done everything. They,

They like doing comedy, so they like making jokes and stuff. But it's like they're at the top. Yeah. And so now what they don't get anymore is that. Yes. You and him sitting at a table talking comedy. And that's all any of us want. I know. And so they like the hang. So we had, like when we were at Foxworthy, I mean, we were just all, he's like the nicest dude. He's another one that's like, I can't believe I'm talking to him. I had his cassette growing up. Yeah.

It blew my mind. It's crazy. And then we're sitting there talking comedy, and he's telling me these stories, and just the names he's saying, you're like, is that guy alive? But it's like the most famous people ever. He's not doing it in a bragging way. It's like that's the life that he's kind of doing. So it's just kind of a crazy... It's a crazy life, but he loves talking comedy. It was fun to like...

You know, hear stuff that you're like, well, he would never say some of this out loud. And you're like, but he trusts you. And you're like, oh, wow. You're like, this is great. I mean, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. And those guys had to, like Foxworthy had to come up when comedy was... Comedy's big now. It's accepted. It's on Netflix. People saw it at the Garden all the time. Comedy was like...

Very niche, underground. I think to come up in the 80s like that and then the 90s, that's impressive to me. I want to talk to him about his New York days. Yeah. Like what they did at the beginning. I've always wanted to know that. Same. Because he's like, what are they getting paid? Yep.

Where they live in. Where were they living? Where you have to cab? You take subways? Yeah, exactly. Like, were you able to make money? Like, you know, how did it... How did you do the road without a GPS? Yeah, when did you start doing the road? Yes. When you're doing clubs? Like, you know, because you don't know. Like, Eddie Murphy was always someone that you're like, you just figured he was famous immediately. And then, you know, talking to Chris Rock, you're like, no, we would go to Stress Factory and he'd go up there and do something. And you're like, what? Wow. And he was like running his act. And you're like, oh, yeah.

So, like, he's a phenom, but then you're like, but there was work. You still got to work it out. You still got to work it out. And you think with him that you're just like, oh, I thought he just, like, was like, oh, you want me to do a special? Then he was like, he just went and did it. Yeah. And, like, even doing comedy, you're like, I can see how hard it is, but it's, you know, he's 22. That special is legendary. Unbelievable. That you're going...

Maybe he is that good. Like, I don't know. He's just got a gift. He's got it. He's one in a million. Yeah, that's like... I mean, with Cosby, which all we keep referring, this is old Cosby. We're talking old comics. One of Norman's heroes. Later stuff. Later stuff. But like, where did he go run? Did he ever run stuff? Did he ever...

I think you just did it on the road. Like you just have to do the road and you just. Well, like in Comedian when Seinfeld says Cosby, or Chris Rock says he did, what, two and a half hours without a break or something like that? Maybe longer than that. I can't remember. It's probably that. It's a good point. Yeah. It's kind of Chappelle-ish. And then, yeah, it's fun. You want to come here?

Hey, hey. This is a special episode, but this is our daughter, Harper. That's Mark. Harper. She hasn't met Mark. We're just talking Seinfeld. She just got home from school. She's got a softball game tonight. The Nightmares. Oh. That's the name of the team name. That's scary. So we're hoping to win. All right. Good team name. I love you. I was a bedwetter, so I get it. Yeah. So...

Let's talk a little bit about Sci-Fi. All right. I just rewatched the pilot episode. I think the first two seasons, maybe the first three are the ones I know the least best. Yeah, those aren't the best. What do you tell someone if they're going back to watch it? The only thing I would say to watch the first two, and it's not like they're bad, it's just they're shot very old. It's always just a little different.

I would say, look, it's not bad to watch the first two just so you can get these characters and I think you'll enjoy the rest of it more because you really know who they are. If someone is like, I kind of know them and stuff, I'm always like, start at three. Episode, season three. Just start there and go. Three to seven is the best. That's the good stuff. Yeah, I think, but I'll argue some, we can argue some eight and nine. I,

Let's argue. No Larry David. It got wacky. I read an article where Michael Richards said at first he did Kareem's character as a little dumb and step behind everyone. And then he's flipped it where he's like, no, I'm a little bit ahead of you in a weird way. And that's when everything changed, I think, for that character. It's funny for a dumb guy to think he's smart. Yeah.

that's that's how much you want to work with that guy Larry Charles is his name yeah like you see him on something I'm like every time I talk about a TV show I'm like will he do it like I just want him to do it and it's like he's like doing so much other stuff you're like I just want to work with him yeah you know like oh yeah dude he's ridiculous he's busy

Looks like a guy that wouldn't have created. Yes. Yes. It looks like a guy that you would be like, you think that guy watched it and you'd be like, no, no, no. Yeah. He looks like a guy that Larry David would hate. Yeah. But they're tight. Isn't he the one that comes out of the bathroom on the airplane when the lane? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It looks like ZZ top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I just watched the pilot. Kramer was called Kessler. Yep. Oh, in the pilot. In the pilot because the real Kenny Kramer wouldn't allow them to use his name. Yeah. That's where stuff makes the best comedy. When you use a real person,

Everybody gets on board with that because everybody's like, oh, you know what? He's like my – if you're creating someone that's just a full-blown character that doesn't exist, then we're just watching. But if you're like, oh, that was my real neighbor, you're like, oh, you know what? I'd do a guy that was kind of like that. And then people are more invested because they just think of someone that they know. Completely. Yeah, I remember – what's the guy who did Raymond? Raymond.

Phil Rosenthal? Rosenthal. He said he tried to write the script and it wasn't going anywhere. He's like, I'm just going to write about my family. And then it took off. Oh, yeah. He's, I mean, he's done, he came up with so much stuff. And like, I mean, that whole series, I mean, that show is, I always say Everybody Loves Raymond. It's like, I know it's an amazing show. I was at an age when that show came out that it was, I was probably,

20 or 19 or I was doing comedy like it was a lot no 2001 maybe when it came out and then so it was like I was like about to start comedy I was just at an age where I like wasn't watching TV like that and I'll go back and watch it now and I'm like oh this is unreal yeah how good this show is

and it's almost one I need to go back through all completely. But it's like, I just kind of like, I remember my parents watching it all the time. He was talking about a lot of his marriage and stuff. You're at that point, you're not married, and I'm starting comedy. But now when I go back and watch it, I'm like, oh, this is...

I used to want to go pitch shows and I'd be like, let's just pitch them Everybody Loves Raymond and we'll change the names. Because I always thought if you pitch a show, let me just – I'll just say the exact pitch of Everybody Loves Raymond and I won't say his name. Because that's what they want. Of course. And you go like – you want to go like, I'll make that for you. You want that? There you go. You like that? I'll make that for you. Because that's essentially what you're making anyway. Yep. But it's going to be me in it. Yeah. And probably the last one of those –

He did Letterman. Letterman liked him. Gave him a sitcom. Yeah. Killed it. Has that happened? I mean, it was like Seinfeld, Roseanne. Ellen had a sitcom. Ray Romano. Kevin James. Kevin James. Tim Allen. But that might have been the last big one. They're the ones that last. Those are all still on the air. Yeah. They're the most watched. It's true. And they don't go back to it. And they have... Yeah, so he did... Well, I had it with... Fallon tried to do it. We tried to do it with me. And...

And like, that's what my two shows have found is like, he wanted to be Letterman and Ray Romano is the way he looked at it. Yeah. And they just didn't work out. But I, the problem becomes like when you pitch stuff, they always want multicam. Multicam lasts the longest. I mean, we're still watching Seinfeld just sold to Netflix. Yes. And so they just like, that's how good that show is, is that it's 25 years later and they, and it's on,

and now the most, it's being probably the most watched show. So was Friends. Yeah. All those shows. And then you go try to pitch that show now and they're like, no, I don't think people are watching. You're like, well, they're still watching that one. So I'd imagine if you hang on that they do it because I think they want the networks like,

Like, it's cheaper to shoot this type of show. Yeah. A multicam show, which if people are listening, I mean, most know, but I don't know if I would have known before I got into it. But multicam is you're on a set. Everything's already built. It's in a studio. Like, you know, you have four cameras. It's like a play. Yeah. And...

That's cheaper to do. So they tell you that's what we're looking for. And then when you do it, and I know it from my pilot, and then maybe ours wasn't good enough. But you go pitch it to the people, and then you let them see it. And then they're like, ah, because they don't watch this show. I know. So that person's still a regular person that goes, ah, it just feels old and all this. And they're not thinking about, well, who would watch it? Because the Big Bang Theory. Yeah. I mean, CBS is crushing it with the...

the ratings of them. Yeah. They had it. They still did it, but

Yeah, it's interesting. It's shocking, too, because, I mean, let's be honest, a lot of these network suits are kind of cowardly. Like, they just keep making the Avengers over and over because they know it works. So you'd think they would go with the TV model that works, but... They don't. And that's where Netflix is kind of moving forward, is like they had, you know, that Squid... I haven't watched Squid Games, but it's... Oh, it's huge. Yeah, I mean, someone said it's the most watched show ever on Netflix. Already? That's what someone said. That's what someone told me. That's going from...

A buddy. That's not answered from, you know, my buddy Wyatt told me that. It's not like, I don't know if that could be false completely. I bet it was just number one this week. Yeah. He clicked on it. And he clicked it. He goes, maybe the biggest in the world. Yeah. You know, bigger than the Super Bowl. You're like, is it? Yeah, right.

What's another one? Wait, wait. They finally paid. They thought Kramer was a funnier name than Kessler, so they paid Kenny Kramer $1,000 for the name. Classic Kramer. That's classic Kramer. Perfect. George Costanza, of course, was modeled after Larry David. At first, he played him as Woody Allen type, but then he changed to Larry David. But there was a real... Jerry's former friend, Michael Costanza, sued Seinfeld and NBC for $100 million, claiming the series violated his privacy requirements.

The court sided with the show's creators, but Michael Costanza said, George is bald. I am bald. George is stocky. I am stocky. George and I both went to Queens College with Jerry. George's high school teacher nicknamed him, can't stand you. So did mine. George had a thing about bathrooms and parking spaces. So do I. Seems like he's got a pretty strong case. Like you said, you got to just go with people you know. You got to go with people you know, and that's tough. That's always like you say, like you put people's real names in. I don't know if it's...

If it works out. Yeah. But, and you didn't put his, in his last name, Stanza, that's probably the mistake. Yep. Is you just go, just give him a different name. And then the guy could never know who it's based off of. He's in an episode. Yeah.

the ice cream truck he's driving the car and he goes hey i got ice cream uh melting back here i gotta go it's some of them fighting for the parking spot uh-huh it's the parking spot one where they both one backed in one pulled in and he goes y'all gotta move it i got an ice cream truck that's him that's kastan yeah whoa and so he and then they move the cars out and then they move them back exactly where they were was that the hey i'll give you a spot in the show if you leave me alone maybe

I mean, they might've been still friends at that point. Uh, that's hard. Cause I mean, he's just looking at like, well, Jerry's based. I mean, it's tough. I, you know, it's one of those that like, look, dude, you couldn't create a show about you. And then Jerry and Larry David came with that show about you. He came, he added Kramer, Stanza. It's people in his life. Uh, you know, do you give them money? Like there's sometimes you just think like, do you just throw them some money? Yeah. I mean, I've made so much, like, here you go. You're a big part of it. Uh,

Or do you not? You know, it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. You can't use the name. That's tough. But I mean, Kramer's such a good name. Costanza's such a good name. I know, it's great. It's tough. Yeah. But it's, you know, give them a job on the show. Like, you know, hire them. I read an article yesterday. I think, I kind of remember this, that

Kathy Griffin's character, first time she's on as Susan's college roommate, in between shoots, she asked Jerry if she could get an autograph for her friend, and he yelled at her and said, that's the last thing I need to be thinking about right now. Ooh.

And then she went on her half hour HBO special and just kind of talked about that and ran it on it. And then he brought her back and did that whole episode about... Oh, that's right. And she does the one woman show and stuff like that. So he kind of made an episode about the trashing and stuff like that. And then the guy who played Ramon, the pool boy, there was another guy originally was supposed to play him and they wanted him to do it in a Spanish accent. And he said he refused to do it because he thought it was demeaning. So they got rid of him.

But also in that- There you go. That worked out. Yeah. Oh, is it demeaning? Well, then no. Yeah. Yeah. Adios. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought he, I think he said a lot of mean stuff about Jerry. So they put Kathy Griffin's characters calling him the devil and stuff like that. So everything that happened to him, he would just make an episode out of it. That's smart. Yeah.

It's truth is what, like you're, that's why everything feels real. Even though it's crazy and you just add a little more jokes into it, add a story with it, but go like, this is all based off something. Yeah. And, uh, Carol Leifer, is that her name? Yeah. A lot of people think, uh,

Elaine's kind of based off her. She said people hear up all the time with stories because she was a writer on the show. And most of the time they were terrible. But she had a friend that said, we had a dinner party the other night and these people brought her bread to serve at dinner and I forgot to put it out. And I noticed at the end of the night they took the bread home.

And she pitched that to Larry David. He's like, we're putting that in an episode. There you go. One of my favorite episodes. I mean, that's such a good episode. The Marble Rye? The Marble Rye. Yeah, great episode. Yeah. I've never baited a hook with a rye before. Yeah. That's such a great episode. Yeah. She also said that Jerry was such a nice guy. They dated at one time and then they stayed friends. But her dad was sick and he flew her home. Jerry flew her home on a private jet to see her dad who had dementia. Ah.

And she visited him and he was doing better. And the next day she went back and she said, how's he doing? They said, the dementia set back in. He's telling everyone that his daughter visited him yesterday with Jerry Seinfeld on his private jet. Like no one believed him. They thought he was going crazy again. So it's a very funny story, but she's just talking about how Jerry was very generous and nice to her.

Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, look, it's always a tough thing. You always got to look. When you hear a bad story about someone, you always got to think, well, where are they at that time? Like, he's probably the busiest he's ever been in his life. The most stress on him he's ever had in his life. All this stuff. He's got one of his best friends...

eventually sues him for $100 million. You get to where you're like, I can't trust anybody. So I'm sure you got to take all that. Then there's times where you're like, yeah, but you got to just be nice to people, dude. It's kind of what comes with the territory. And you got to be like, just be polite whether you want to do something or not and something is inappropriate to ask. I can't imagine it's that inappropriate for Kathy Griffin to ask that. But it's funny that he made an episode about it and brought her back. So it's like,

You know, you make it kind of cool in that way where you're like, oh, you know what? Well, now you get a whole... Yes. I think a few more episodes. And people know her from Seinfeld now. Oh, yeah. Because of that. I don't know if you would have known her the first time. And then the second time, that one, like, the storyline was like, oh, this is great. Mm-hmm. You know? I got to be better at stuff. Because if she did that to me where she trashed me in a special, I'd be like, ah. Yeah. And I would be like, we're enemies, yada, yada. But he had the...

He was mature enough to bring her back and spin it. Well, he thinks it's hilarious. Yeah. And that's what helps is like, you're not, you're not, you don't take things personally. And so you're not getting offended by something and you just go like, oh, that's hilarious. You know what? Let's have her back on. And then, I mean, that's, that's better than anything you could give her. It really is. Is, is that, and then you get to make fun of yourself and, you know, and be like, so he's like good in that way. Yeah. But, but,

I wonder if deep down she was on that next episode and he was like, I dare you to do it again. Because it still sticks with you. I bet if she did it again then, he wouldn't do it. He would be like, all right, what do you want me to do? And then he'd probably just do something. You could write some crazy stuff. Yeah, that's right. He has the show. She doesn't.

I don't remember. The series finale, same night, Frank Sinatra had a heart attack, rushed to the hospital where he later died. But some reports say that the streets were clear. It got to the hospital quicker because everyone was watching the finale of Sinatra. Oh,

Oh, really? Wow. That's wild. It's a better story for you to survive because of it. Still died, but they got him there faster. Yeah. You're welcome. They learned he died quicker than they would have. So crazy. I was a freshman in high school when Sinatra died. I still remember it. It's crazy to think he was producing this show. I was in high school in New Orleans. So different. Yeah.

And then now you know him. And now you know him. It's crazy. Seinfeld. Insane. Yeah, it's crazy. Wow. Like, how does it ever get to that? Life is long. Life is long. And then you get... Yeah, it's... I mean, at that point, you're not even...

It's not even a dream to meet them or become friends with them. There's no way. No way. And then you got to see... That's what I mean when we were talking a little bit before air. You look at goals, and that's how people got to look at them. You got to... You can't just have a goal that seems... You can't be in high school going, I want to be friends with Seinfeld. No, no. That's impossible. Yeah. And so you got to wait, and then you see when it opens up, you go, oh, I can be friends with Seinfeld. And then...

Then it happens. Yes. But you got to wait till the door opens to be like, there, it's happened. And then you kind of go from... And that's just an easier way to...

accomplish things. Yeah. Bit by bit, like don't go, don't go too far ahead. Just be like, all right, if you can't go, I mean, I guess someone could think, why look at like, how do I become for the Seinfeld? And then I figure out a way to do it. That's, you could do it that way. I guess if you think like that, I don't, I think like, just let me get to this. I don't even, my goal is not even to, I mean, obviously I want to meet Seinfeld and I want to do whatever I want to open for you. I'll host for you and Norman middle. I'll middle. Uh, and then they, uh,

But so I want to like do that. But I was like, I don't think I could ever...

figure out like how to like I would just be like well I need to just do my own thing and then I will hopefully get to myself to a point that he will know who I am and then I will be able to somewhere I will be able to somewhat meet him yeah and so that would be I might be doing he might be doing the stand up for heroes thing oh Jon Stewart is he on that he is on that I think no I don't think he's listed yeah Burr is on it no maybe he's not on it I thought he was Gaffigan is yeah it's whoever they posted oh man what's it called

Stand up for heroes. I thought that already happened. No, no. 2021. You missed it. Oh, man. Yeah. See who's on it. Is this it? Yeah. That's a heck of a line. Come on. How great will this be?

Bruce Springsteen's on, I'm like, whatever. No, I'm joking. I know, right? He's not on it. Oh, you're the first name. Well, it's alphabetical order. Ah. So that works out, though. I mean, usually you're just not supposed to say that. I mean, Bruce Springsteen and Jon Stewart look like the add-ons. Yeah, right? Seinfelds and more. Yeah. Yeah, let's hope Seinfeld's and more. He might as well pop in. Might as well. Lives right there. Jerry. Come on. Just pop in. You're there. Say hello. Open mic it. Come on.

I'll leave your name on the guest list. Come on, Jerry. There you go. I got a plus one. I got a plus one. He's going to hang in the back a lot. Sorry, Laura. Yeah. All right. His first choice to play George was Jake Johansson.

Whoa. Interesting. He's underrated, I feel like. Underrated, too. Yeah. But he's like, they came up, I mean, him and Regan, they came up in that Seinfeld era. Yeah, that 80s clean blazer. I mean, Seinfeld was older than him, but it was...

Yeah, it was like that. Paul Reiser. Yeah. Was another one. Paul Reiser had a big sitcom too. Another one. Mad About You. That's right. Great show. Great show. The guy who played Elaine's dad was supposed to be more of a recurring character, but he intimidated him so much in real life. They're like, we don't want him back. And he supposedly stole a butcher knife from the set. I heard that. There you go. Yeah, we had a funny guy like you in Korea. Yeah, yeah.

Which maybe the pilot, I mean, not the pilot episode, but the one where they make the pilot where the guy steals the Kramer. Oh, the raisins. The raisins. Maybe that based it off of that. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, maybe they did. That's tough because it's like he was in one episode. And so it's like then just to get canned. I know. And then you're like, and then they hire better. Yeah. It's like that's what show business is. You got to sometimes be like, yeah, dude, Ray Romano got fired.

from a show. Our news radio. Oh, that's right. Joe Rogan took the spot. That's right. And then Ray Romano became what he did. So, I mean, there's a moment he's there. That's too, when you're an actor, I think the hardest part of being an actor is you're like, yeah, I could be sitting there and they're going to be like, no, this doesn't work. And then they get rid of you. And that's tough. Like when we did ours, I mean, they might get rid of the kids. And then like, so we had a...

The girl that played my daughter, you know, it's like they sit there and you're like, what if they tell her no? Like, that's where you're like, if I was like, hey, what if I just have my daughter play my daughter? And they're like, you don't want that. Because then they might be like, hey, this ain't working. And then you got to go get rid of your, you got to fire your daughter. And so you're like, you just can't put that pressure, which the girl that did ours was great. And so...

that wasn't going to come to it. But it's just even the idea of thinking that I'd be like, I'd almost quit the show. Yeah. Like adults you get, but like a kid, you're like, Hey, I can't do that. That's tough. I was playing a son. Oh, nice. Yeah. Wow. I remarried an older woman and she goes, I have one son. Oh really? And I go, yeah. And I go, he's older than you. And it was Brian. He walks in. That's my boy. Shut

Try to play catch with him and just hits him in the ball, hits him in the face. Slow reflexes. I mean, Jerry's dad got replaced. He was in one episode. That's right. And then George's dad was in an episode. And then that got redone for syndication. It was different than Jerry Stiller. Yeah, but I mean, come on. You got to go Stiller. Yeah. He's so good. What episodes would you see George's? It was the very first one Frank Costanza was in, which is not until like –

four or five or something. And there's one episode of...

george's parents are not that yeah it's a different guy i think it's the guy who played clark griswold's dad in christmas vacation yeah and they just didn't like the feel of it so they reshot it in syndication on the dvd you can watch both episodes oh really yeah oh wow now going back you're like it's got to be stiller because he's all tall guy bald and yeah it's a handicap spot episode where they trash his car yep yeah does the oh yeah that's right

Yeah. Oh, that's the episode that they did it? Yeah. Yeah, that's the...

I mean, unbelievable. He goes, go, will you go? Like he's just like, I think that rhythm, right? Yeah, they said he had that rhythm because he couldn't remember his lines. They were coming to him slowly and it just worked out. Yeah. And he said Larry David wanted him to be a low key guy because Estelle was so high strung and it just wasn't working for him. So he's like, I'm going to go the opposite and just be as crazy as she is. And then Larry David was like, you got to keep doing that. Yeah. I would tell you how to say.

Silver dollar collection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boca. You'll tell me they don't have anything in Boca. Exactly. It was gold. I mean, he was unreal, dude. Yeah. There was one episode they never finished. It was called The Bet, and it was about how quickly somebody could buy a handgun.

And it was for the show's second season. And Seinfeld said, we started making it and stopped in the middle and said, this just doesn't work. It's just too hard to try to make it funny. Oh, weird because it was about guns, I guess. I guess. It's just a weird thing for them. I mean, that's like one of those things that's like, that's a funny line. I don't know if you can make an episode about it. Yeah. But it's a very funny thing to maybe that's one storyline or something. But, you know, you look at it and you're like,

It's a very funny thing to be like, hey, who can, how quick can somebody, it's funny to watch people try to go buy a gun. Yeah. But then you'd like, you're basically watching everybody do the exact same thing. True. Kramer could have a side thing where he's going to the shooting range and getting addicted. But yeah, you can't do all, Elaine with a gun. Come on. It would almost be like, it'd be a line that you're like, how quick do you think you can buy a gun? And everybody's like, I think it'd take me five hours, two hours, one hour. And then Kramer just walks in with a gun. And then you're like, all right, well, all right. So he wins and you go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then that's kind of it. It's like the contest kind of format. Yeah. But it does change. Someone has a gun. It's like that changes the feel. That's true. Of what the show is. Yeah. And it's also such a city show. They're New York City Jewish guys. They're kind of mean too. Right. So it's like you'd be like, oh, now they have a gun? Yeah. Yeah. It's too much. I didn't like the one with Crazy Joe Davola where Elaine goes to his apartment. Mm-hmm.

It's like the only one where it's kind of scary. Right. That's true. It's just a weird feel for the show. Death to tyrants. Yeah, that is a weird one. But he came back in a lot of episodes. And it kind of, it's almost like that was a setup for the rest of the show. Like he came out, he yelled out on the thing. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. And he hits Kramer in the head, he dents the helmet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Susan, they didn't like her, the woman who played Susan. George said the timing was just, not George, Jason Alexander said the timing was just never right. And he's like, okay, she's going this way. And then he would try it and then she would change. So they couldn't play off each other well. And then Julia Louis-Dreyfus said, it's impossible. It's impossible to work with her. Wow. And Jason Alexander said, or Julia Dreyfus said, don't you want to just kill her? And Larry said, that's it.

Whoa. Oh, cool. Cause she did do good. Yeah. She was fun. Like it was, she was fun. It was kind of great. Like it was, she was a different feel. Yeah. It was almost like a good, it was just perfect in that scenario to be like it

You don't want another Elaine. No, no. You liked her being kind of out of it, a girl girl. And then just being this kind of story. Yeah. But then, yeah, her dying is... Oh, the invitations. I mean, unbelievable. So good. That's a great later ep. Because when I was watching that, I was going through kind of a breakup with a girl. And I was trying to get out of the relationship. She wouldn't let me. So when seeing George start smoking, like, they got a hold of me.

All that was amazing to me You never saw that on a sitcom A guy trying to get out of a relationship It was all just trying to get at him Yeah, yeah Prenup Yes Yeah

Oh, that was great. Well, that's the, which we would talk about my favorite episode, Andrea Doria. Oh, yeah. When he says, you know, you got to look at breaking up. It's the most important part of a relationship. So they're, I mean, they're only focused on breaking up. Yes. Like, if you don't break up, nice. What's the, you know, that's the most important part of the relationship. Yeah. And remember that he's watching Mad About You with her and he's miserable. And then they cut to Jerry. He's on the couch watching a baseball game and going, yeah.

He goes, you got to. Then the guy on there goes, you got to love sports. He's eating popcorn. Not even baseball. Yeah. In general. You got to love sports. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. And he just, it's so, yeah, it's, I mean, it's perfect, dude. Yeah.

Guy lost his job as the executive with Miller Brewing because he was fired for sexual harassment because he was telling a co-worker, a female co-worker, about the Junior Men episode where Jerry can't remember his girlfriend's name. And she accused him of sexual harassment because he kept telling her the story. He sued her back. All right. Yeah, that was happening back then. Yeah, look at that. Man.

Everybody wants a book. Just telling her about the episode? I mean, who knows what he was saying? I know. Yeah, you got to go, you like dive into it. You're like, what was happening? He's like, he didn't have clothes on. You're like, oh, they should put that in there. Like, they should really say that. Yeah, yeah. The Betrayal episode, the Backwards episode, it was based off a play where they did something very similar. The guy who wrote it was Harold Pinter. And Sue Ellen Mischke's fiance was named Pinter.

There you go. Oh, yeah. Look at that. That's a good one. That's a great one, yeah. Yeah. The lollipop's getting bigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kramer's... All of it's good. Kramer's story is really great in that. Yeah, definitely. What was it? The Double Dog Daria or Make-A-Wish? Yeah, I didn't love that episode. Shooting a Star, I think. Shooting a Star. Yeah. Pulling eyelashes. I like it because it always fits. When you go back to re-watch it, it feels different. I could see it being like... You couldn't watch it a ton. Yeah. But sometimes it feels nice to go back. Like, oh yeah, this one is...

different uh yeah it breaks it up a little kramer's is great the snowball gets bigger and like uh his old thing is you know and they're like he's just doing that and they get there and he pulls out an eyelash that guy does it and then he throws change in he's got that little chain thing on he's like just taking it out and goes i can do this all day yeah he's got one of my favorite lines he goes he gave me the eye stink eye evil eye crooked eye or whatever yeah yeah so funny um

Jerry said his least favorite episode was the alternate side. When Jerry's car is stolen, George blocks traffic during a Woody Allen film, and Kramer says, these pretzels are making me thirsty. Oh, I see. I didn't love that one. That's his least favorite. Oh, his least favorite. Okay. Yeah, the pretzels are making me thirsty, though. That's what's crazy. Even in his least favorite, it's one of the better lines. Yeah, that one stuck. These pretzels are making me thirsty. Yeah. Like them yelling. Like, that sticks with you. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Some of them is like, yeah, it's a funny idea. And it's like, maybe it doesn't play out as much, but it's a funny, the whole idea is great. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Do you have, you said your favorite, Andrea Doria? Yeah. Do we, you have episodes? I thought we talked maybe at the end our favorites. Okay. I'll save it.

But Jerry's favorite show moment, not episode, but moment was when George pulled the golf ball out. Yeah. So I want to talk about that episode later, but that's, yeah, that, that whole speech. Amazing. Yeah. Amazing. They said they wrote that, you know, at two in the morning, just him and Larry. Yeah. One take. One take. Yeah. Yeah.

Festivus, that was a real thing. One of the writer's dads celebrated that. You have a clock in a bag. Just weird stuff like that. They didn't know why, but it was a real thing. That's where, I know Raymond had a lot of stuff like that where you're like, that really happened. And so that's why this stuff works. When you write a show, and I think that's what hurts shows.

is they write these shows and they don't take anything from the writers' lives. So, like, if you're a writer on that show and you're like, I like this episode, you're like, yeah, that's my life. Yeah. Like, Office, when he walks into the water pond on video, like, you remember the one where they show it on the mall? The Koi pond? No, no. Yeah, not the one where Jim falls. But, like, because he...

He falls into another one, but the one in the office where Michael Scott walks, he's in the mall and he's not paying attention. He walks right into the- The fountain? The fountain. Yeah. And I believe so. Okay. And then there's a video of that. And Halstead Sullivan, who I know, he wrote that episode. Uh-huh. And then that happened to one of his friends. Oh, there you go. And so they put it in that. And it's like, so everything's kind of got that kind of real feel to it. Yeah. Yeah.

Got to have it. About a year after the show ended, there was work on a spinoff called The Jackie Child Show. Wow. Yeah.

He was hilarious. He was hilarious, but that's funny that it's like they go, no Kramer spinoff, no... You think, let's do Jackie Chow. I mean, maybe they're thinking, well, there's the least about him. That's a big, big problem, man. Spinoffs, I mean, how many have worked? Frasier. That's it. That's maybe it. I mean, Norton Lear had a bunch of spinoffs. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. But I mean, there was...

channels on television. That's true. Well, I mean, I remember not long after it ended, Michael Richards had a show. Yeah. I think it was in a court or something. I think it was like an undercover detective or something. Yeah, something like that. And it just went nowhere. They all did. Yeah. You know what? Julia Streif is that. She's amazing. Christine, that show was good. Lasted a long time. Like six years or so. And then she's on Veep. I mean, she's clearly...

The best actor. Yeah, yeah. Standout. It's not even close. She's a beast. She kills it on curb. She can do whatever she wants. Yeah. Kills it on curb, beep. She can do... She's unreal. Oh, yeah.

I think she came from a wealthy family too. I always heard that. Like a billionaire. Billionaire, yeah. Oil tycoon. Married Brad Hall at like age 20 and they're still together. But she's like someone that you're like, so if even she came from that, you're like, she's got all this on her own. Yeah. Sometimes you always think that and you're like, oh, they got that because they're blah, blah, blah, whatever. You're like, no, no, she's one of the better actors. Definitely. Comedic actresses. Yeah, I mean, not even close. Yeah. I mentioned the bisque. Yeah. Yeah.

Newman does not have a first name. There's common speculation that his first name was Norman because of the Bottle Deposit episode where the farmer's daughter shouts, goodbye, Norman. Yeah. But that was an actress mistake. She mistook Norman.

Newman for Norman and they liked it so much that they kept it in yeah interesting interesting she wouldn't know Newman's name yeah actress on the show we got think in that time think about like I mean that shows so big so you're an actress right that's towards the end so you got to know this shows the hottest show on television yeah but if you're that actress and you're playing it like you're just not watching TV yeah and you're you know like I'm trying to think what's the biggest show now like

Squid Game. I know, Squid Game. But like, what's like a... I don't even know. What is a big show now? I don't even know. Oh, Ted Lasso? Oh yeah, there you go. Ted Lasso, right? It's a big show. Modern Family, like when that was on and someone like you got on, you're like, you don't know these characters? And you're like, no, I just have never watched this show. And so like for that moment,

I mean, I would think so. I'm surprised you think that because I would think the opposite. You're on the biggest show in the world. You're playing opposite him. You would know his name. I mean, that's an actress that like her world is like, I don't know if she has time to watch TV. I guess I just think of her as a, this is the biggest role of her life. Yeah.

But she could have messed up just like why when she said it, she's like, I'm so sorry. I know what's going on. And then they're like, no, no, you know what? We like Norman. I think that is probably more of what happened. But I mean, you're going to get how many people that are on that show. You're going to get the people that are like, yeah, I don't know what this show is. There's, I mean, I think about with musicians, there's musicians that you see out now. I'll see them on like Fallon and then I'll,

like look at who they are they have 60 million followers I'm like I didn't know this person was born right and they're still not a re- like so it's kind of you go back you're like you didn't know they were the biggest band touring and you're like I just wasn't

Paying attention. Yeah. That's what I think. I have that all the time. You walk by these theaters in New York, it seats 5,000 people in some K-pop. And the biggest thing on the planet, I've never heard of them. Yeah. Yeah, Sarah Silverman said in her episode with Michael Richards, what is it she says? It was probably just the wind. Yeah. And she said it was probably just the rain. And he jumped all over her about it and said, do you see rain out there? Is there rain? You know, he got all over about her. And then...

The next day, they were going over their lines, and she said she conferred him about it. And like, don't act like nothing happened. And then she said they became good friends after that. Who? Her and? And Michael Richards. Oh, yeah. I don't know if good friends, but that kind of broke the ice. Well, you know, talking about Elaine, too, he is another one that's like a comedic actor that's –

He's so amazing. Yeah. They're all actually great actors. I'm not trying to say... Julia Louis-Dreyfus was able... Jason Alexander's done some other stuff. He's a great actor. He's a great actor. And so he's been able to do... Yeah, he is a great actor. So not to say they're not all... They're obviously all amazing actors, but Julia Louis-Dreyfus just seemed like she's spread out and really shed her character. Yeah. Every time you see Jason Alexander, you're still just thinking that. But he was great in that one... He had a tale...

Oh, Shallow Hal. Shallow Hal. He was great in that. That was a pretty fun movie. And like, he was great in that. And I didn't really think of him being George there. And then Michael Richards, I don't... But I mean, his early stuff being a... He was just... His early stuff... Yeah, Fridays. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So he was...

Unreal in that. You're watching old clips of that. Oh, yeah. He's playing like a weight lifter and stuff. On Leno. I mean, it's unreal. Like he's, so he's a. Was he smoking or something? Yes. Smoking. He's like a workout instructor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's someone that would be great now and he should do videos on Instagram. He should. That are kind of fake.

health videos or something. He would crush it on that because that's what he's so good at. And so now he could just sit in a studio and be like, let's just shoot 100 of these and you just be funny. And he would be better than everybody. Yeah, he's a physical acting phenom. Comedic acting physically is incredible. Jerry's address was 129 West 81st Street.

That's not a real address, but it would be across from... It's near Central Park, across from the Museum of Natural History. And did you guys see, it was buzzing a few months ago about how his hermit layout could not really be like that. Did you see that? I did see that, yeah. The way his kitchen goes, it would be...

Like out in the hallway if it was real. That was like a meme or something that was... That's when people get too involved. You're like, all right, it's a comedy show. You're working on the diet. I never thought about that. That's a real New York thing to think about. Yeah. No one walked by because they don't think it could be big enough. I think the layout, the architectural layout, it would be like the way his kitchen is, it would be way out in the hall. It wouldn't make sense that the hall would be straight like that.

I mean, I can pull it up. Yeah. I don't even know. I mean, you look at Kramer's and he opens the door and he's like up against a wall. Yeah, that's right. And so you're like, that one, you're like, well, that's not... No one's house does that, I think. Yeah. But I never like really cared. No, no. It's about the jokes. Yeah. It's... Just click one of those links. Like... Maybe this? Yeah. It's... Yeah, it would be...

That's true. It would be in the hallway if the door is right there. Yeah. But why couldn't they have it built out like that? Somewhere I thought there was an image that showed... Like what it really was? Yeah. This is when a show is popular, when you're doing a diorama. Yeah, you're trying to find something wrong with the show. Yeah, it is right there. Jerry's hallway can't exist. Oh, okay. Those green lines would be the kitchen, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I see that. Like...

Because otherwise, the hall wouldn't be straight. Yeah, but this is like those psychos who go, they got the origin story wrong for Hawkeye. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's a movie. Yeah. It's all made up. I mean, so his kitchen could exist.

There's a quarter of it that couldn't exist. Yeah. But it's a television show, and we've got to make a show. There you go. And so you've got to have some exaggeration. Did you see our Netflix now? It's shot in 16 by 9. I did. So there's stuff that's cut off. Stuff's cut out. Are they going to get that fixed? I don't think so. Really? I think it was like that on Hulu. That's crazy. That's what I read, and they just...

I mean, I watched some last night, and yeah, like the pothole episode, I think it shows it cut out. I didn't really notice it just watching some episodes. I don't know if I would have noticed it either. But you just think like this has got to be the last big – I would imagine last hoorah of selling this show. I don't know what you're going to do next. I mean, they're just older. I mean, maybe it gets sold again. You never know. But it's like – to me, it feels very much like –

netflix is the home yep he has a great relationship with netflix it's like i'm done he gets one last big payment and he gets to be like i'm not i don't want to talk about this show ever again is there more of a genius guy in comedy to sell he sold so much old stuff again yeah and just re-upped it and made a new paycheck right hulu the first syndication then hulu then whatever now netflix paycheck paycheck paycheck

Yeah, there's – I don't think there is. I mean, his career is what you wanted. Yeah. You wanted his career to be like a show about him. And I always looked at it. You want to tour? I want to do a show about him and about myself and play myself. And then, you know, and then after that just to like –

He played, did B movie. I thought B movie was great. Yeah. Like he did comedian, that documentary, that changed my life. Like that's why I moved to New York. I moved to New York, I mean, months after I saw that. Yeah. I watched it in Chicago at a movie theater alone. Whoa. And I, I mean, I went like during the day, you know, and it obviously it wasn't,

It's not like a big, crazy movie. Most people didn't even know probably what it was. And I remember I went maybe with a couple people from my restaurant, and I watched it. I have it on DVD. I watched it so much I could recite lines from it. And then it was a big, big reason. I mean, I knew then I got to go to New York. And so then I was starting to figure out, all right, I got to go to New York. That's where I got to be. And it's because of that. I don't know if I would have...

known to go to New York. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking, but

I don't like watching that. You're like, yeah, that's what I got to go do. And so like that, that DVD affected my life and career. Like you, I mean, I'm where I'm at because I watched that and had to go to New York. And then that's how you, I think become a great comic is, is being around New York comics. I agree. And first of all, Orny Adams in that movie, I was like, I'd kill to be there. Yeah. He was complaining the whole time. I was like, you're passing every club.

Yeah. That's the best. That's all I wanted in this business. And then two, oh, sorry, two, uh,

Seeing Seinfeld bomb was insane because he was such a legend already. Yeah. I don't know if he's had a mistake in his career. Some people say the marriage ref. Yeah. But I almost think the marriage ref could have worked, and it just didn't work at the time. Tom Papa's great. Yeah. They had Madonna, Larry David. I think it was almost maybe a little...

ahead of its time as far as like an idea for a show yeah uh trump did one oh he did oh really he was on that show yeah so yeah yeah uh i saw something i was on the die hard 2 and someone uh this woman's on the phone i'm going through diehards now i don't think i've watched any of them yeah like lance arm i'm the lance armstrong but i was just my i was not allowed to watch any of these movies oh i'm catching back up i mean he just grew up

I mean, we were, you know, Baptist, Christian parents. Like, it was, my parents became Christian when I was born. Like, so I was like, I just wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff, which is fine. I don't have no, I don't have a bad upbringing because I had a great upbringing, but I just wasn't. So I missed, so everybody was like, how do you not see that movie? I was like, this is right in the prime of me not allowed to watch anything. Sure. So I would have never seen it. And then I just got out of, whenever I could, I just kind of started there and moved forward. Yeah.

I also don't remember movies, so there's part of that. But in Die Hard, she goes, one part she goes, he goes, you got to do this. Move something. Like, we got to take all the calls because they can't use their phones in Die Hard 3, I think. And the police can't use their radars. So, like, every cop has to now call to the boards, like the 911 boards. And then she's like, well, how am I going to handle all these calls?

And he goes, we got to do all these calls or something. She goes, oh yeah. And I'm going to marry Donald Trump. So how, like it was just, that was the line to be like, oh yeah, you know what? That's, this is as easy as me marrying Donald Trump. Wow. It's funny to see that now. And then like, but at that time it was like, yeah, I mean, he was, he was a famous millionaire. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's crazy.

Steinbrenner played himself on an episode, but he was so bad that they cut it out. It was Larry David, right? Which was so funny. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't going to be the first episode, but long after that character was already going, they said it'd be funny to have Steinbrenner play himself. And I think it was when George was about to get married and Elaine was going alone to the wedding. He wants to go with Elaine.

He's like, only losers sit at the loser's table. I'm a winner. Yeah. But it was so, you can see it in the DVD extra, I think, but it was so bad that they cut it out and Larry David had to tell George Steinbrenner to cut you out of it. That's wild. He said he was cool about it. Yeah. All right. I mean, I guess Steinbrenner loved that they did that.

Yeah, I think so. I think the Jay Buhner stuff, you thought that was very funny and all that. I mean, that's one of the best. Yeah. Jay Buhner, is that the one he traded for? Yeah. I mean, how good of an episode is that where George is dead? Right. And the first thing he says, how could you trade Jay Buhner? He had an amazing arm. He goes, I know, but people like Kent –

What's his name? I already forgot. It's already off George. Yeah. George is gone. And it's his father. His father. His son is dead. And the first thing he goes, how could you trade Jay Buhner? He had a rocket of an arm. He had a rocket of an arm. Y'all don't know what y'all are doing. He goes, I know. I know. Jay Buhner was great. They just start talking. That's a great F. That's one of my favorite lines is,

He leaves a message. He goes, Jerry, this is Frank, George's dad. Call me back. Call me back. George's dad's time printer's here. Call me back. Yeah. And then Jerry goes, this is a great Kramer line. He goes, you want to come to Yankee Stadium and help me pull these flyers off George? Oh, yeah. You could have said just about anything there. Yeah. Yeah. We've done that. He'll ask me to go do something just ridiculous, and I'm all up for it. Yeah. He'll say, I could have said pretty much anything. Yeah.

Lane wasn't in the pilot, of course. The waitress was going to be the female kind of, not lead, but, and then after the pilot, they were like, we need more of a female character than just the waitress. Yeah, they nailed it. They did. George wasn't in the pen episode. That's right. And he thought he was being written out and told Larry David, if you're going to do it, just do it all together. Oh, wow. That's bold. And they were like, no. Yeah, they were like, just chill out. Yeah. Yeah.

But he was a Broadway actor and he felt like that time Seinfeld wasn't huge. And he was like, it could be canceled any day now anyway. Yeah. At the beginning, it just, I mean, it never would have lasted now.

No, God. And that's why TV doesn't work. Yes. Because they don't let something get an audience. Yeah, it had to find its footing. Yeah. And it did. And it did, and it's the greatest show. And all the old shows did that. Yep. Let people figure it out, and then everybody loves it. I mean, you've got to hire the right people. There's a lot of stuff that is kind of luck. Everybody's got to work out. You've got to let these shows try. Yeah. And they don't. They go, that's not working.

do three episodes and we're done. And you're like, nothing can be... Modern Family was probably pretty quick. Yeah. It was out the gate. It was like, this one's a monster. Killer show. But, yeah, now...

They don't give them a chance. It's like a stand-up set. You got to work it out. You got to give it a few years. Yeah. But not anymore. The theme music for Seinfeld is different every time. Like in the opening, when he's telling the jokes on stage. Oh, really? Yeah. I never knew that until recently, but the guy said he would listen to the monologue and put that in kind of with the beats of the joke. Yeah. Interesting. It's great music. It's not words. Yeah. It's just, you know. Mm-hmm.

It's just the sounds, which is perfect. Perfect. And you know it a mile away. Like, oh, Seinfeld's coming out here in the other room. Yeah. Do you want to get into our favorites? Yeah. Now, I watched the... Vulture just put out, because it's on Netflix, they ranked every episode. Least favorites, the Puerto Rican Day Parade. I re-watched it last night.

You like it, right? There's something in it that I don't mind. It's one that, like, the Portico Day Parade one was one that I think I watched where you're like, did I ever see this one? Yeah, that was banned. Yeah. And so then I watched it. I don't mind. What was in it that was – I know it's the green sob, right? Penny Packer. Penny Packer. Mm-hmm.

Mr. Pennybacker trying to use the bathroom. That's very funny. George has got the light. He's got the maroon. The laser pointer, maroon sob. Yeah. And then, no, it's the maroon something. And I think Jerry's got the- Oh, yeah. Jerry's got the black sob and maroon. I forgot. Oh, fuck.

Varun Gulf. Varun Gulf. Yeah. And then, so, but the laser thing's very funny. Like he does, isn't that where he gets the, is that where he has the line of like to walk out? Yes. Yeah. That's got to hurt. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he goes back and does it again. Right. About the Hindenburg. Yeah. Yes. The blimp. Yeah. Very funny. Very funny. That's a very funny story. George Costanza was, you know, characters,

I think he's my favorite. Oh, me too. Me too. Sure. And he wasn't at the beginning.

I was a big Kramer guy. Yeah, everybody was. But it makes me – which you want to talk about. Well, the thing they talk about is people don't like when the show and Larry David left. But I feel like people just trash Seinfeld. Like he didn't create it with Larry David. I get Larry David created the show, but if Larry David does not have Jerry, I don't think that show makes it. Jerry's – I mean –

Jerry did the right thing. He got all these great actors around him. He never tried to do too much. He just said, I was kind of here just to kind of move y'all. That's what made the show. That's a hard thing to do. Jerry's ego could have came in and said, no, I want to be the star, even though his name's on it. But he could be like, people like y'all more than they do me. And I want the other way. And the show would have went down. And he kept his ego out of it. That's...

You know how hard that is? I mean, George has an ego. Jason Alexander, in fact, that he goes, am I going to be ridden out? These people are always super worried. And Jerry just knew, like, it ain't about who's who. That's a great point. It's like, it's me. So people just act like, well, once Larry David left, it's not. Larry David's the only reason Jerry Seinfeld's good. You're like, you're out of your mind. They couldn't have done this. I mean, look at Curb. Curb's unreal. But...

What makes Seinfeld special is he made them do it clean. Yeah. So then they had to do it where they chose all this other stuff and choose all the contests and all these kind of other things where they talked about all this kind of crazy stuff but did it in a different way and that was the appeal of the show. And, you know, like...

It's almost like Larry's edginess needed Seinfeld's kind of cleanness and be like, we can create something amazing if we can meet in the middle. And that's what they did. And something that was amazing. And Curb Your Enthusiasm, so Seinfeld's the greatest show ever. Everybody watches it. And he does Curb. Everybody loves it. But a lot of people don't watch it like they did Seinfeld because they're like, I don't like that kind of stuff.

Well, you got to have both. You got to have both. Curb is an amazing show. Curb will never be what Seinfeld is. No, no. Never in a million years. So they both created that. I don't understand how you like – I get the importance. I'm not trying to downplay the importance of –

Larry David. I think Larry David's unreal. And I mean, a guy that I would love to meet, I want to golf with. Larry David, if you for some reason ever watch this. Big golfer, love to... I mean, I would just love to talk comedy. Yeah. I'm a stand-up comedian. But you can... Like with Jerry, it's like...

They just dismiss like he's just nothing. It's true. And people want to, and you're like, are you crazy, dude? And so getting into once Larry leaves and then it's 8-9, go through 8-9, dude. It's pretty great. There's a lot of gold in there. There's a lot of crazy episodes. Season 8 is Andrea Doria. Yeah. I believe my favorite episode. That's season 8. Yeah. Larry's gone.

True. Look at 9. Didn't Larry come back for some of 9? A little bit of 9, yeah. Towards the end of 9. I didn't mind the last episode. I didn't mind it either. Yeah. I think it was a great idea to get everybody back in. Everybody's like, well, everybody didn't kind of like it. And you go back to watch it, you're like, it's actually a pretty great episode. And they're so brilliant. And this is back kind of where Larry comes in, but I'm sure he comes in with Jerry on this. They did a reunion show on Caribbean Enthusiasts. Oh, that's killer. The brilliance of that to not be – to not –

To do a reunion show that's not a reunion show. You do that Friends reunion show. I didn't watch it, but that's like an interview and I'm talking. I don't care. My wife watched it. But...

that curb where they bring Seinfeld back they just do the show again yeah brilliant amazing that's like Bob Newhart's like when he wakes up oh yeah and he goes oh it's all a dream like and he's back to the old first one that's that's how good of an idea that is yeah to do that and that's look it might be Larry I don't know it's got to be both probably kind of came up with you know talked about that uh

So them together is the best option you can have. Yeah, of course. And them separate. You know, and Larry was like someone that wanted to quit all the time. And like, you know, the headache of dealing with that where like Jerry's got a star in this show. They got to write this show. And then the main guy he's created with is just always threatening to quit. Yeah. Which you need that guy that has that because they got a lot of stuff through because of that. But that's a lot of stuff you throw on Jerry. Yeah. And then the show's the biggest show on earth and you quit.

You do two more seasons, and the other creator quits. That's a great point. I mean, and that show just kept just most watched episode, the final episode. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they didn't dip. No. Look at The Office. The Office crashes. Ooh, yeah. Crashes. Drops off a cliff. I mean, like, because Michael Scott leaves. But Seinfeld, they didn't crash. Yeah. They just kept going. Episode eight is...

uh, yeah. Season eight, season eight was, uh, Seinfeld's gone. But I mean, you look at it like the foundation, how good is that? I mean, that's where she dies on seven and they come back out with the foundation, the soulmate bizarro, Jerry, the little kicks episodes, an amazing episode. That was a hit. The package, the fatigues was where they were trying to get him to cook. Yeah. The chicks, the chicken, the chicken roaster is season eight. Uh,

Andrea Doria, my favorite episode. Yeah. Because it's the one where I feel like it's the most flawless of everybody's stories. I need to probably go back through and maybe rethink that. But that's the one, the Van Buren boys. Oh, yeah. The comeback where he goes, that's what I should have said. He goes, hey, the jerk store called. Yes. Uh,

The Susie, the pothole, the English patient was like, I didn't care about yada, yada, yada. Wow. I mean, the millennium, the muffin tops, the summer of George. Yeah. I mean, it's unreal, dude. Yeah, it's still great. You don't realize how great it, people kind of just go, nah, they're not good. You're like, they're unreal. They're great. Look at the bottom of nine, like the start of nine, because he didn't start at the beginning. Then you got the butter shade. Oh, yeah.

The voice. A lot of people love the voice. Hello. I was never a big fan of that voice, but it's like the idea of that show. I like that whole show. Yeah. The blood. The blood's a great show. Like he puts blood in his car. Oh, yeah. And he goes, and they're hiding blood. And Jerry's like, is it in here? Is it in? Yeah, yeah.

The Junk Mail. The Murph Griffin Show. That's a camera. Come on. That's one of my favorites of all time. Where are the cameras? Where are the cameras? Yeah. You say that all. The Murph Griffin episode is unbelievable. They have the slicer. Oh, yeah. A great line in the slicer where they're sitting there. He's going to put that to just – they slice the food for the cat, and he needs to get in the house to do the electricity. Yeah.

That scene is so good. Oh, so good. And Kramer's like, why don't you do it? She goes, no, you just do it. He goes, I know, but you're... And he goes, all right. And he goes, just the way he shots. He goes, oh, you all right? Yeah. The strike, the dealership, the reverse people. Reverse people is great. The dealership, grease monkey. I don't care for that term. Twix. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Strongbox, Wizard, The Burning, The Bookstore, The Frogger. The Frogger. Frogger. And so you go, just go kind of to the end and see if they... That's it. Yeah, so Larry David, did he come back in just for the final? He did. I think he did, yeah. So that whole thing, the clip show is like obviously just whatever. The Puerto Rican Day Parade, they all wrote. I don't think it's bad. It's like... There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen on that one. Yeah, a lot of people in on it. But I mean, they're at the end. Yeah, yeah.

The Frogger is a great episode. Oh, yeah. These are great episodes, man. I argue that these are some of the most lines said are from this. Yada, yada, all that stuff. All that stuff. The most famous lines are from eight and nine. And so people just act like Seinfeld's a joke. Yeah.

And like, you know, like, ah, he was pointless to the show. I completely agree. You make a good point. And I appreciate that you got Jerry's back. The only thing I'll say about these episodes that takes me out of it is sometimes the characters...

It doesn't live up to their true care. Like one point is one episode where Kramer gets lost. Yeah. And his whole thing is that he's like a New York guy. He drove the fire truck. He knows every, every street, you know, but he's like, why would Kramer get lost? So stuff like that, where you're like, how do you know these characters or not? Yeah. And that would take me out of it. But,

There's great comedy in all these episodes. That's first and first. Yes. I mean, yeah. How could two streets intersect each other? It's like the nexus of the universe. Nexus of the universe. Yeah. I mean, that line is- It's great. It's so great. And like that, he sells that line. Yeah. I mean, but you look at like what episode, was that when he's calling down to the-

He's dating a girl. Yes. Yeah. In like Battery Park or something. And he's like, he goes, you know what? Same time, you know, it's the same time there as it is here. I mean, that's kind of his character. That's true. You know, and so he goes down there and it's just, but I think the joke of it is he doesn't know the streets, but he knows that fire department that's just in the west side. You wouldn't call that fire department for the Battery Park. I see. You'd call one of their fire departments. Right. So he knows...

where they're at. And then the joke of it is like, well, nobody, you know, he thinks Battery Park all the way down by Wall Street is a different area. Yeah.

And if you're in New York, there's times people are like, they could be like, I ain't been down past 14th Street in two years. Exactly. Like, they don't know what's down there. Right. Because it's like, you don't end up going down there. It's very New York. But, yeah, The Wizard's great. Yeah, I don't love season nine as much as you do. Some of those, I feel like some of the storylines were getting a little more far-fetched. Like the cough with the dog, Smuckers. That's Andrea Doria, though. Is she?

Yeah. Whoa. And so the line was maybe one of my favorite. There's a few favorite lines. But when he goes, why don't you go to a doctor? He goes, I'll take it. So he goes, you're going to go to a vet over a doctor? He goes, I'll take a vet over a doctor any day. They got to cure a chicken, a dog, a turtle, a frog, all in the same day. Yeah. And he makes a point there where you're like, yeah, I mean, I guess they are versatile. That's true. That's a very Nate joke too. Yeah. And so like that line is...

I get like his cough and like, I can see how I don't take it as serious. So I just, it's a, and I just think about that line and the idea and Jerry holds, I just watched it. Jerry holds the keys. He goes, come on, you'll go for a run. You'll go for a run. And he's in the back. He goes, this ain't where, and then he's coughing. He loses his shoe. He runs off. Oh yeah. He got big head. Yeah.

They call Elaine Bighead. She's at the Old Mill restaurant. And he's walking by. He's coughing. And the lady runs out. Hey, you need some help. There's some big-headed woman that's trying to stab this guy. So he goes to the cop. He starts coughing, telling her like he's a dog. He goes, I know. I know what he's saying. Yeah.

Because there's a fight at the Old Mill. Good boy. Good boy. I'll follow you. So that's Kramer's storyline. Seinfeld, or Elaine's storyline is going, she called him big-headed and she goes, one of the nicest things anybody ever said to me. He's a bad breaker-upper. How would, you know, that's one of the...

best parts of a relationship. If someone can't break up, why would I want to be in it? Right. That kind of stuff. And then that guy just keeps doing it. He goes, great with your bump in your nose. And then it starts, you know, never seen a bird hit a woman's head before. Like, that's all that. And then George... Kelsa Costanza. Huh? That's Andrea Doria. That's Andrea Doria. That's George's maybe greatest thing ever. Where that guy, he gets in there and the stories of Costanza, and he goes, uh,

I mean, another one that's my favorite is you look at that, the vet dog, that line. And then the other one with George, where he goes in and he goes, the guy survived Andrew Doran. And he goes, oh, I remember that. There's some fire. She goes, shipwreck. He goes, I remember. And then he walks out. And then they talk. And then Kramer has a book, The Astonishing Tales of the Seas. Yes, yes. And he goes, 51 people died.

He goes, what? He goes, I'm going to be able to die on a normal cruise. 30, 40? Like, which is my favorite line. That's a great joke. It's so funny to think that every cruise that goes out, 30 to 40 people die on it. And people are just going on cruises. And like, you're just like, I'm going to die on a normal cruise. 30, 40? Brilliant. He goes, I got astonishing bear attacks. Yeah. So he goes, takes it and watches that. And he goes, it took a long time. Then he goes, when he walks up, that old man's moving in the boat. And he goes, ahoy, mate. Ah!

And he goes, I'm going to take that. And he does this whole story. Everybody's crying. Yeah. He's hitting the wall when the guy's talking. Right, right.

he walks out and goes, oh, by the way, uh, where my fiance, uh, died from, uh, envelopes that I bought that poison thing. He goes, all right, thank you. Good night. And walks out and they're like, you know, and he goes, ah, it's my thing. I love it. She's trying to show him the place. He's like, check out these parquet floors. Yeah. Try to guard me. Oh yeah. That's a great joke. It jumps at her. That's why Andrea Doria just has all those lines. Yeah. The one that's, uh,

that everybody talks about. That is one of probably the best speeches of like, the sea was angry that day, my friends. So if you watch that whole episode, it's not good. George's is good. Again, George's is great. He's a marine biologist. Jerry lied about that. And like, he's like, I don't know how to be a marine biologist. Like, architect. And so he has to act. You know, he's like, what's those islands?

Galapagos. Galapagos Islands. He goes, yeah, turtle. He goes, mainly turtle stuff. Yeah. And then Jerry has that great line where he goes, you know, he's like working on like whales, cholesterol. It's like, you know, they're the biggest...

in the world, but they don't have to be. Like George says, they don't have to be. Like George says, they don't have to be, which is so good. And then he goes on there, there's a well on the thing and somebody goes, is anybody a marine biologist? No one's ever yelled for a marine biologist ever in the history of life. Of course. And he goes in there, is anybody a marine biologist? And shows him walking out. Yeah. And he goes back to that story, Kramer in the ball. Kramer's part is pretty good. Yeah. Uh,

But Jerry's is like the t-shirt, the golden boys. It's like whatever. But that speech, so people think that because they say that speech and you're like, go look at it. So we're looking at like pound for pound the whole episode. Right. And so that's where I think Andrew Dory is like everybody's storyline is pretty amazing. Yeah. And so like that one is like a big one for me. But I mean Festivus is actually. Festivus is killer. The strike. The strike. I mean, when he jams his coat in the.

when he goes to sign back of work and he goes, where, where everybody do? He goes, I think everyone got other jobs. He was kind of like, what were you going to do this for? Oh, that one's a bit, what do you got in there? Crackers. Yeah. Crackers. That's great. And then, no, that's, that's the one when he gets a real job, which is another one. That's great. Yeah. Where he goes, what's in there? Cracker. He gets working hard and he's like, we're not hanging out anymore. Right. Right. Uh,

And the guy, they fire him and he goes, look, I don't even work here. And the guy goes, yeah, that's what makes this so hard. What a joke. Like it's, they all know. And it's like, he's in there just like hustling, trying to get on the subway. He's telling jokes. He goes, he's got me bumping my, busting my hump over there. He goes, and Jerry makes that chicken dinner. Yeah. Which is what he goes, he goes, you make this? He goes, ordered in, still effort. Yeah.

And then, you know, because we don't hang out anymore. He's got an ulcer. Like it's that line. That's unbelievable. So good. That one. But the strike, but the strike was when he comes in to work back in that bagel place. Oh, when he goes there and he puts his jacket in the, where they keep the bagels. Oh yeah. His winter coat. He doesn't put it on a hook.

He opens, slides open where they keep the bagels and jams in the corner. So if you go buy bagels, you're like, I'll get that. What's that? You're like, that's that guy's coat. That he just, that's where he keeps it. Right, right. Another great line from that one is Elaine comes in and she gets all messed up from the steam and he goes, Yamahama, it's fright night. Yeah, it's fright night. They all come together. Yeah. That's where she makes the bet on the horses. Then they bring them over the different lighting. Yeah.

And then they bring him all over and, you know. The Two-Face. The Two-Face. Yeah. And they all go to Lane Benes. We get a lot of phone calls about you. Yeah. And then they're there and like, what are you doing here? And Kramer's like, it's a Festivus miracle. And then he sits there and brings maybe my second, my favorite not main character, the

George's boss. Oh, Mr. Kruger. Mr. Kruger. I mean, unreal. I think that guy just died. Really? I think he died in a weird way. Like, he committed suicide. Yeah, they found him like in the forest. Whoa. He went on a walk on his own or something kind of crazy. And, but he, like,

like he's probably my favorite off character like that's not a main one just unreal like you know it's like yeah he's great because i'm not too worried about it yeah like when he goes they go but no one's he wouldn't do anything he's eating don't he's out there eating yeah him and george right right you know we got to do this stuff i'm not too worried about it yeah he goes the human fun he gives that to the human fun right and that's the fact and human fun is festivus

Oh, wow. No, the photo one's a great one, too. That's a great one. He comes in. That's the slicer. That's the slicer, right. Because you have the mole. The mole. How good is the slicer? That's great. The slicer episode's unbelievable. Amazing. It's got that as a character. They bring him in. George is trying to get out of there. Yes. At the end, he goes, you lost a lot of hair. I'm aware. I'm aware. You see that no one, that's what's so great about Seinfeld. No one gets mad. No one gets mad.

Yes. The guy could just flip out, like, why'd you break in my office and all this stuff? They don't have the character to do that. The character just goes, huh, you lost, like, he's fine that George tried to do this. And he just goes, you lost a lot of hair. I'm aware. And then that's the end. That's it. George is the one that's the most mad. Exactly. It's the fact that no one's getting mad with him.

That's true. That's what drives them crazy. And it makes George more of a loser. He's more of a lunatic loser yelling at all these people. Yes. And so, Fleiss is a great one. Mark, tell me, what's your favorite? Well, I think the best episode might be the opposite, George.

Yeah. The race. Yes. That is one, to me, as a full episode, to me, it's flawless. Yeah. You know, with the whole thing, with the back, what is that, canvas? Yeah. Oh, I made the Guggenheim. Really? Yeah. It didn't take that long either. Oh, yeah. All that is amazing. What do you do, the nightclub? A lot of, you ever notice? Yeah. It seems like a lot of guys are doing that these days. Boy, you lost a lot of hair there. Yeah, yeah. You used to have a thick, full, I mean, it's just so good. Well, I made my first million. Yeah.

When he says he made the Guggenheim and he goes, it didn't take that long either. It didn't take that long either. Like, it's very funny.

It's so ridiculous. Yeah. That someone built a building and that they would say, how was that? He goes, take that long. You know, like, I mean, would an architect ever say that? Of course not. Would they ever go like, I'll be honest with you, one of the easier things to do. Yeah. It's such, yeah, that's amazing. Choose not to run. Kramer becomes a communist. I mean, there's so much good stuff in that one. That's a good one. That's not, to me, that's a flawless, but my favorite episode, for some reason, this episode just hits me, is the dinner party. Yeah. It's written by Larry David, but it's, it's,

the whole show is just stand up. You know, he's like, uh, what kind of cake you want to buy? Black forest. Ooh, scary. How about carrot cake? You don't make carrots in a cake. I'm sorry. He's just doing bits. Yeah. And I love that episode. Uh, the marble rye is in it. The marble rye is the dinner party. Yeah. Is it called marble rye? No, no, that's that. They just have the marble rye, but they, oh, Bobca is Bobca. Sorry. And he's like, uh, chocolate, chocolate, Bobca. Now we got a cinnamon. Ah,

ah cinnamon no cinnamon's good he defends cinnamon uh they slip in the liquor store and oh that's where you get the big coat big coat big coat so i'm the same yeah there's so many jokes in that one and it's it's a larry david early one and uh that one just hits me i don't know i don't i don't want to put a big jug of pepsi in the middle of the table yeah i like ringdings yeah and they don't even they show up and give the guy the tv

No, that's a different one. That's the Drake. The Drake. Yeah, but they just show up because it was such a hellish day that they just give the guy the vodka and they leave. Yeah, that is a good one. I love that episode. Yeah, that's interesting. That's not one that you would think someone would say is their favorite. I know. That one speaks to me. It's just all jokes. Yeah. And I love that. Yeah. Perfect.

What's yours? I said before, I'll stick with the Soup Nazi. Oh, classic. I got blasted because they said it was too easy, but I feel like every storyline in that is very funny to me. Yeah. It's one of the ones that's got the armoire. Yeah. Armoire is great. The Kramer and the street thugs that take it from him. Street toughs? Street toughs, yeah. Yeah.

George with a poopy smoothie that kind of backfires on him. Yeah. So. Smoothie, smoothie, smoothie. Yeah, I'd like that one. I would say the smooshy. I didn't like them saying that the whole time. Like sometimes when someone's doing something that kind of feels weird. Yeah. You just feel like Jerry would never have done that. Yeah. I get that. And so like that's what pulls me out of it. But the Elaine Kramer and Sue Notts here, unreal. Yeah.

That he, when he goes in there and she goes, bop, bop, bop, bop. Oh, that's incredible. So did you look like Al Pacino? Al Pacino. Son of a woman. Son of a woman. Hoo-ah. Hoo-ah. That, that, that. And she's just hitting all over it. Like it's a, yeah, it's a, I mean, that was a huge one. Yeah. That's a great one. I really liked the pool guy. That's movie phone. Oh yeah. Movie phone. Yeah. That's big. I mean, big. Why don't you just tell me the movie you like? Yeah. When that came out, I mean, I was a big movie phone guy. Yeah.

that's what people did he called it it sounded like that recording was so funny that's true that's what always I say what's the matter with you like because of that episode because Kramer would always when he goes to Jerry he goes oh my buddy Jerry saw the movie and he's like talk to him and Jerry's like I'm not talking to him he goes come on he goes what's the matter with you like it's so funny to think like Jerry doesn't want to talk to an absolute stranger about a movie about Firestorm and he goes and Kramer's like what's the matter with you man just do it like

Kramer said that a lot. Yeah. And that's a great character is just someone that's like, that's almost how you just, like, he's like, he's going to put you in a horrible situation. Yep, yep. And then if you don't do it, he's like, what's the matter? You're not going to- Make you look like the idiot. Yeah, you're the, what's the matter with you? Yeah, that's the little thing. One time there's an episode where Jerry and Elaine are fighting. He goes, can't you guys see you're in love with each other? And they're like, come on. Yeah. But that's just classic Kramer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's that, the poor guy is a great episode. Secret Code. Oh.

Oh, yeah. He's a big one, too. Season seven's my favorite. Yeah. That's up there, yeah. Season seven, I get it. I just don't like that eight, nine get just- No love. No love. The Marble Rye is another one. Incredible. Incredible that they- Beefarino. Did they take the rye? Yeah. He goes, no, they knew it was there. They didn't put it out. I mean, that's a great- Great. Frank Steele goes, who has-

The chicken. Yes, that's one of the best. It's perverse. It's perverse, yeah. Something missing. Something's missing. Something's missing, all right. And that's where they do... I mean, man. I would... You know, I say Frank and...

Costanza's parents I mean their whole family is my favorite thing yeah but they're yeah and that's where like the Kruger is he's more of like he wasn't in a ton of them but that was the best like kind of come on character yeah taking out bananas on the side yeah yeah

What was that one? That was when George is the hand model. Oh, yeah. Another great one. And he's living back at home and he's wearing gloves everywhere. And the mom is being so nice to him now because he's actually doing something with his life. Yeah. And she's like, I made Jell-O. And he goes, does it have the bananas in it? Like Frank Stiller just jimes in like, does it have the bananas in it? He's like, yeah, it has bananas. Why don't you put the bananas on the side? He's like, stop. I can't have all this stress around my epidermis. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome. All right. We got it. This was much longer than we thought. Before you go, I did find... I think we could keep going. I honestly think we'll have you back and maybe you'll be our special Seinfeld episode. I'm down. When Jerry Stiller died last year, ESPN wrote an article, what the hell did you trade Jay Buehner for? And found out that he was right. It was Ken Phelps. Yeah, Ken Phelps. They looked at their careers and Frank Costanza was right about...

That was a terrible mistake, trading Jay Buehner. So that's pretty funny. And a nice tribute to Jerry Stiller. That's the other one that we always tell Tom. He goes, I think I got a way to get Ken Griffey and Barry Bonds. And we don't got to give up that much either. Same outfit. And same outfit. We don't got to give up that much. And someone wrote an article about that. Wow. Being like, could they have done it at that time? And they're like, maybe. Because Ken Griffey was huge. Barry was not what he became. Ken Griffey was.

And they had an outfield that like, could they have made that trade and not really given up that much? It would have been a very wacky trade, but they were trying to figure out how they could have done it. I mean, I don't think there's any way, but such a funny, just kind of quick line. Yeah. Two biggest athletes. Yeah.

maybe two of the most famous in baseball. And he goes, I think I found it. George found a way. He's the traveling secretary. He's the traveling secretary. I found a way to get King Griffey and Barry Bonds, and we don't have to give up that much. I stopped short. I mean, so many great ones. Oh, dude, that one's a great one. That's a great one. He goes, this guy. That's one of my favorite lines. He goes, which means this guy is.

He's not my type of guy. He tells Elaine that. I mean, it's so... It's so good. Yeah, it's so good. She must have been some doll. Because I had enough. Yeah. She was. She was. Oh, is that that one? No, that's from Festivus. Oh, Festivus is that line. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. She must have been some doll. It goes, it must have been some doll. She was. I mean, Festivus is... Yeah, that's up there. All right, George, wrestle your father. Like, he tries to make him fight. He goes, come on, Dad. Yeah. Fight.

Fight your father, George. You can beat him. I mean, just... How about when they're at the jailhouse and he's like, my son isn't quick enough to hitch a ski like this. I'll drop you like a bag of dirt. You want it? You got it! That was one of the first outtakes you ever saw. That's right. Oh, yeah. Classic. The Steelers...

I mean, I don't think they're underrated. I mean, as even as a, as a married couple, they were very good together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Jerry Stiller too, like in everything he did, uh, I mean, Ben Stiller, I'm a giant Ben Stiller fan. I love Ben Stiller. And like, I think he's someone that sometimes people kind of blow off and you're like, dude, I'll watch anything that guy does. He's another one. Tropic Thunder is amazing. Ben, would love to meet you sometime. Giant fan of, uh, Tropic Thunder, but I, I mean, I'll watch his Heartbreak Kid. Oh yeah. With his dad. Uh,

I saw him at a restaurant once. It's the closest I've got. Yeah. He walked into a restaurant and we were hanging out and I was like, he's one that I was like, I just, if I really like someone, that's the one. Those are the people that I can't. Same. Like I just stare at and I'm like, golly, I just want to talk to this dude. Yeah. Like I love everything he does. Like if you feel like they fit with you, you know. I know, that's tough. All right. This was Norman. Thank you, buddy. We got you in. Thank you. Sold out weekend at, Norman's about to, if you can go check him out, Norman's, it's

it's about to get real for you. I don't know. Who knows? I know. I think so. I appreciate it. you, uh, you almost did, but it's, uh, they, I think you're, you're, you're, you're, I mean, obviously everybody knows you're an amazing comic. I'm not saying I'm even above you. Like you're, you're with us in that I'm older than you. Yeah. Uh,

But it's about to start. Theater, it's going to start coming. Makes me nervous. It's going to get crazy. I like this level. I like the clubs selling out. It's nice, but I think it'll go as whatever you want to do. Maybe you want to just do clubs. So you do whatever you want to go do. But it's, you know, yeah, I think you can do whatever you want, man. Selling these clubs is not easy. No.

It's not easy to sell out clubs. You have a giant audience that wants to watch you and that loves you. And you're a great, great comic. And so it's all coming together. Ah, jeez. Look at this. All right. Every day is my birthday. But I mean, once they see through it...

Yeah. Other hand Bates. Hey, Batesy. Bates, I'll be honest with you. I think you peaked five years ago. I think you're right. Yeah. So, all right. Uh, I don't know when this is going to come out. Go to marknorman.com, right? Your website. marknormancomedy.com and marknormancomedy.com. Check out some YouTube stuff. I'm all over the place. Special on YouTube. Yeah. Uh, Comedy Central put out, did great. Thank you. It was a giant special and a lot of people saw it. Uh,

And so, yeah, very funny. Everybody that knows you is very funny. A lot of late nights. If you want some clean stuff, Norman, just watch all his late night. For tonight's shows. For tonight's shows. There you go. So, yeah. And then you can check our stuff out as always. As always. All right. Aaron, we'll be back. Thanks for doing this special episode. Thank you. I think it was a fun one. It was a fun one. Great. All right. There you go. All the Seinfeld people. We did it.

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