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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Nate Land podcast. If you're watching this, Brian and Aaron have both been convicted of murder, and I'm now alone. Yeah, it's always fun to do that. This one is, if you are watching this, we've recorded it earlier just to have some in case maybe we're out on the road doing our drive-in movie.

Theater dates. Maybe this podcast has been dead for 20 years. Who knows? But we know you will be seeing this one soon. And we just recorded it a little bit early to get ahead. You also probably don't. That's why we don't have comments is the main reason why we're telling you that. Yeah. If because we just have to kind of dive in this because there is no comments. So because it's, you know, you guys get it. So this this episode, something that's always I've always loved is

Bigfoot and aliens. I know you're more of an alien

Bates is an alien guy more than me, but yeah, we've debated about which one's more believable. Yeah. Bigfoots are aliens. Uh, I'm a Bigfoot guy. Are you any of these guys or you don't, I like them both. Yeah. I can make a case for either one, either one. Uh, so yeah, this episode, we want to talk about that. And, uh, we have a, we have a guest, uh, uh, with us this episode. Uh, some of that works, uh, worked with my sister. You're retired now. Yes. Uh,

His name's Kevin Jada. Right. And he knows a lot about this Bigfoot aliens. Knows a ton. We'll see. Hopefully. We're going to see. He might be one. Who knows? We all might be. We all might. I mean, that's... It's already a great start. That's already a great start. Already blew my mind. I love... Yes. That's the stuff I love where it's like, who knows? This table could be... Could stand up at night. That's it. Yeah.

So, yes, we talk about this stuff. It is. I think it's better that you just read about it. You know a lot about this stuff and it's just fun to, you know, when you want to talk about this, it's a it's hard. It's hard to find people to talk to about. Is it hard for you to talk about Bigfoot with people or do they not care? I kind of just keep throwing it out there. They don't take me too seriously anyway. Yeah. I joke around and stuff like that. Make it easier once in a while.

We'll get in a deep discussion about it. Yeah. My kids don't believe it. Yeah. My wife doesn't believe it, but I've scared her enough where she will not sleep in a tent on a camping trip. Wow. So she has reservations, you know, just... Just in case you're telling the truth. Right. Yeah. That you've done it. I'd imagine that it's, you know, if you talk about Bigfoot in a regular setting, it's

It's not going to be the most welcomed. I mean, some people would welcome it, but some people are like, well, you're crazy. You don't want to say you believe in it. I believe in Bigfoot. I'd ease into it if I were talking to somebody. Yeah, you don't just jump right in. You either got to ease into it or just jump in. You either got to be, I think, one or the other. You got to pick a lane. I think if you're into Bigfoot, you can't be wishy-washy. Yeah.

You got to just be like, I believe in it. You might get banished faster if you just jump in. Yeah. Oh, from the conversation. Yeah, that's true. They might go, but you lay the cards out. You're like, look, this is what I am. Do you want to be a part of this or not be a part of this? And I mean, who doesn't want to be a part of a Bigfoot? I don't understand. If someone brought up Bigfoot to me randomly,

And really new stuff. I don't know why I would, who would, I would never. You used to have a joke about that, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. We didn't play. I do have a joke about it. You wanted to play that. We wanted to play the clip. I can't find it. I don't know where it's at. I get asked about it. Joe Zimmerman. Oh yes. Here's a, here's a, here's a clip we're going to play. I forgot about this. That, you know, we like to sometimes play stand up, a standup trick to get into the topic that we're going to talk about.

and so this is one we found, a very funny comedian, Joe Zimmerman. Joe Zimmerman is a very, very funny comedian. If you don't know Joe, I mean, please look him up and you're going to tell from this joke, but he's, uh, an amazing comic. My buddy's a Bigfoot enthusiast. He called me, he goes, big news in the Bigfoot community. I was like, go on. Cause I'm a Bigfoot enthusiast, enthusiast. Oh,

He goes, "We found adolescent Bigfoot tracks." Okay, so let me get this straight. Did you find little Bigfeet? You found regular footprints, didn't you, Dave? Shut up, Joe.

I go, "If Bigfoot's real, wouldn't we have at least found Bigfoot bones by now?" He goes, "Dude, we have never found the bones of a bear that died naturally in the wild either." Okay, I have no idea if that's true. But I know we have found bears. Right? We've found a bunch of bears. Shut up, Julie.

That's an interesting fact about bears, so I googled it. Not a fact. To no one's surprise. There were zero legit Google hits for the question, are we not finding bear bones? Even Google was like, say what now? That's not a question. Joe Zimmerman. Very, very funny comedian. I love that joke. It's a very good joke.

Have you heard that argument? Have you heard about bare bones? I think Nate's made that argument with me before. I think I've heard that kind of stuff that things rot kind of quick out there, but you find all kinds of bones out, you know, deer heads and things like that. I think the thing that factors in is if this is true and if like the aliens are true, why isn't there any physical evidence? And the thing I keep bumping up against is there are,

forces at work that don't want anybody to have the physical evidence. Supposedly at Roswell, there was hundreds of yards of stuff laying around. And then you hear that they cordoned the whole place off and they had hundreds of privates out there picking up every little scrap of it. And then you hear stories about the men in black or whatever just coming to people's houses and taking whatever they've got and

I don't think this thing could be believable if there wasn't an active element of suppression. Yeah. Because, you know, I'd say the same thing. It's like, well, where's the evidence? Where's the videotape? Where's, you know, a body or something like that? And I've heard stories about people that have shot them, but they've left them somewhere. There was a story about these two guys that were fishing. And it seems like Bigfoot's very territorial about fishing areas. Yeah.

And they're fishing and this Bigfoot throws like a bowling ball size rock at them. And it really ticked off one of the guys. And they made a beeline for this guy and they start throwing rocks and stuff at him. At the Bigfoot. At the Bigfoot, which they thought was a black man in a very furry coat or something. Yeah.

There seemed to be a little bit of a racial angle to it. And so the Bigfoot starts throwing like log-sized trees at him. And actually, so the story goes. And actually, I think, ran up on one of the guys and hit him on the side.

And the guy had some busted ribs and they went to the hospital and all these authorities to send on them, you know, natural resource people, state troopers, all this stuff. And they're trying to tell their story.

And constantly, and you hear this all the time whenever you're confronting the authorities about Bigfoot, is they said, you saw a bear. And this guy will go, I know what I saw. It wasn't a bear. You saw a bear. No, it wasn't. You saw a bear. Back and forth. So the guy got treated at the hospital, so the story goes. And they got released. And the guy wouldn't shut up about it.

And I don't know, some suits guys in suits or something, just warn them, you know, things are going to get bad for you if you don't shut up. And, uh, they had a business and the phones were going crazy and their credit was going crazy and there was no record of them at the hospital. And it just sounds like if, if you get too vocal about it, some something's going to start intervening and, uh,

That's what I've come across. How do you think they know that story, though? Is that just one of those, that's like a legend story about... Well, this is where I'm hooked in. I listen to these podcasts. God help us, podcasts. Yes. There's a million of them. I figured, well...

There's obviously no evidence, so I'm going to listen to everybody's story. If you're a detective and you have no physical evidence, you're going to get as many stories as you can and as many views on things as possible and compare them and see if they hold water. And I've listened to hundreds and hundreds, like 300 of these. Can I mention the name of the podcast? One's called Sasquatch Chronicles. Okay.

And, uh, I think there's another one out there. I'll get to this other subject. Anyway, I like listening to somebody in their own voice. Who's an eyewitness has gone through this stuff and it's very convincing. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm about 300 people into this stuff. Teachers, policemen, ex-military guys, farmers, all telling these stories. And, uh,

I'm going, if these guys are all lying, somebody hired 300 people, gave them acting lessons to tell these really convincing stories. Yeah. And I'm going, well, what's the probabilities of that? Yeah. So that's how I keep getting pulled into it. Howard agreed. I mean, look.

The one thing that I think to add into that with them being the made up stories is I agree. Most people don't know how to tell a story. And by most, almost everybody does not know how to tell a story that's compelling, that would get you to listen to it. To fabricate it. To fabricate it. Yeah. So just in general, just think about, you're talking about listening to these interviews where you're going, well, how are you going to listen to these people?

It is that. Now, if a story is too perfect, that's when I would question something. But people don't know how to tell stories. So if they were just like, hey, I'm going to make this up and be super convincing, I think they would make too many mistakes in their story to then I would be questioning their story. So you can tell by just the way if you listen to these stories and you hear someone describe it and you can tell when you're like, this is coming from a real place. It's not someone like you said, they would have to be.

They'd have had to work on the story, which I mean, they would probably, they probably told it a bunch of times to begin with. So they probably have gotten better at telling it, but I just don't think you're, it's a long way to go. The ones that were, you know, the, to, to fake Bigfoot,

Some of them, it's a very long way to go to be like, oh, it was just a joke. There's too many. So how many people are faking? That's what I always think about Bigfoot, is when you've got 1,000 people a day trying to fake Bigfoot on people in these towns. Yeah.

Is there money in that? Can they make money by just going, you know what, let's go to this tiny Alaskan town and bang on tents and make these people, like it doesn't make sense. I thought it was interesting. You said, you know, there's a perception that the people who see Bigfoot or encounter aliens, they're all rednecks and hill people.

And like you just said, a lot of these people are reputable members of society, doctors, ex-military, people that would have no incentive to lie about something like this because it would do nothing but kind of hurt their career or hurt relationships with people. Right. They got nothing really to gain unless they're just attention freaks, which is what people say they are. But I don't get that impression at all. And you're kind of using your own judgment.

you know, am I a good enough judge of character that I could tell when somebody is lying? Yeah. And okay. If I listened to 20 people, maybe they all were lying and I'm just, they, they, they goofed on me, but you get to a hundred, you get to 200 people and you go, you know, my lie detector isn't that bad. Yeah. If a two or three of these guys are telling the truth out of hundreds, uh,

It's real. Yeah. Yeah, even if 99.9% were faking or just wrong, if 1.1%, then it's still the craziest thing ever. The Bigfoot joke I had was, I was saying I watched, what was the Bigfoot show? Finding Bigfoot. Yeah. And like how this show was on and on and on.

For all these years. And it's like, yeah, what if they find him? Like, why would you like, you know, people like, why is this show on? You're like, I don't know. What if they find him? They don't find them. Huh? I kind of hope in a way they don't find. Yes. But I'm saying the idea for the show is to be like either. It's just fun to watch them talk about it. Fun to watch them go visit these people, tell these stories. And your best case scenario is the world changes. Yeah.

If they find Bigfoot, the world is different, which I would have thought so, but maybe not. Which we could talk about. What would the impact? What's the motivation for the suppression if there is a suppression? And I think it's just it upsets the apple cart too much. It's like, OK, here's a fairly intelligent creature on another evolutionary track.

that's here, you know, how does that fit into the story of Earth? Now there is this thing called Gigantopithecus. Yeah. And there's like about three varieties of him. One is really big. He's like 10 foot tall.

500 plus pounds. And this is another Bigfoot form? This is back in history. Okay. And all they have on this thing are molars. Yeah. Some guy found these big molars in a Chinese herbalist store. Now they had the smaller bones and smaller molars and stuff.

But then this guy came across these big things and extrapolated, well, this thing's got to be gigantic. Yeah. But there were little ones, but maybe there's a couple of rib bones and a jawbone or something. But all they have on this really big one are these giant molars.

So the prototype for this thing exists in the fossil record. Yeah. So it's not like, oh, you know, we're talking about the Loch Ness Monster or something. This is something that we've got evidence has existed. And we keep finding new things, the little, what do they call it, the hobbit.

humanoid thing. I think they call it the hobbit. Is it not the one in Mexico? It's like an Indonesian. Chupacabra? Oh boy. This was my understanding. I think we just stumble into this and you're like, let me tell you about that. You have one of those in your pocket and you're like, I brought one of those. My daughter has adopted a dog that could pass for a chupacabra because it's so mangy. It's in rough shape, but it's coming around. What were you going to say, Aaron?

My understanding is they found a humanoid species. They found a bunch of bones. They called them hobbits because that's the way they were shaped, but just that humans had just wiped out. So there is this other humanoid species, not totally unlike us, that they have records of. Well, there's an angle for you. If Bigfoot exists...

He survived us. Yeah. And people wonder why it's so hard to find him and why he's so, you know, worry and everything. Because all the other stuff, you know, the Cro-Magnon guys and a lot of the Neanderthal guys aren't around anymore. And it's probably because we competed with them. You think the Bigfoot ever just goes, back in my day...

I think he gives a lot of those speeches. To the young ones? Yeah. I imagine there is a speech he gives to the young ones. Don't mess with those people. When I was a kid, I thought there was just one Bigfoot.

Like, what kind of monster? It's Bigfoot. Like, the Bigfoot. Just one. Literally one. Yeah. I thought that until pretty recently. Because you just think Abominable Snowman. I just think of these singular kind of monsters. Yeah, it should be Bigfeet.

So is that like when you would listen and you thought the people on TV could hear you laugh? Is it around the same time? That wasn't me, but yeah. Was that you? No, that was a comment. Aaron thought people died. It was even worse. Yes, that's right. I'm sorry. Yeah.

But if they're so smart, because that's kind of arguing it, right? They don't want to be found. And then I would see these videos online, which I was researching. And there's just occasional one just walking around. Is it because it was called Bigfoot? Is that what you just said? That you only thought it was one? Like you think it should have been Bigfeet? Yeah. Bigfeets. Like you should have been Bigfeets? Yeah. That's what threw you off the trail? Yeah.

Well, yeah. You thought there was honestly one Bigfoot. When I was a kid, yeah. Monofoot. Monofoot. I mean, I think that makes more sense. Yeah. I don't think it does. Why does that make more sense? Because it would be Bigfeet if there's multiple. He just thought it was like the Loch Ness Monster. Yeah, there's one. People don't think there's a species of Loch Ness Monster. Yeah. There's just a singular thing. Because I, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it makes more sense to me, the idea that there's an apex predator, a species we don't know about. Yes. You two are the problem. No. Me and Aaron are on board. With a Loch Ness Monster, I think you only think it's one because it's in a lake. So you think it's this monster that's in this one lake. Yeah. Which seems crazy that they could never just find it if it was in there. Mm-hmm. It's a big lake, though. I know, but you could...

They had a whole regatta of yachts go up the whole lot. And I think they saw something moving. Something recently. There was a new picture. Yeah. I think like a couple weeks ago, right? Really? To me, if there was something, they would find that. Because it is, even though it's a big, like you say, it's Lake Michigan. I guess if it's Lake Michigan, if it's that big of a lake, then it would be tough. But it's at least your area is targeted.

If you really want an answer, you could be like- You know where to look. You know where to look for it. They went down the whole thing and they made a line and they all had sonar on these yachts. Yeah. And they were spaced apart and they went from one end to another. And I think the story goes that they saw some big shape move.

That could all be jive. I don't know if that's substantiated or anything, but that would be the logical thing to do. And speaking of that, there's a group in Arkansas

And I think it's called the North American Wood Ape Research thing or something. And they are putting time and effort into, there's an area in the Ozarks they believe is a hotspot. Yeah. They've had their little sightings and stuff. So they got this valley where there's this choke point where they know all the game goes through and they figure they do too. So they're stringing a whole string of these trail cams. Yeah. They haven't done it all yet. This is still going on.

I don't think they're going to find anything because I think these things have scouts and I think they know every time you come into their area, they know that you're putting these things on the trees. They're figuring it out. Well, they're in between probably animal and human. So their intelligence is going to be... I mean, even... But we could catch a human. I know, but...

But not a human that is, I mean, because they can't survive. Like, it'd be tough to catch, like, a guy that can live in the woods and has lived in the woods for 50 years. And that's all he's done is live in those woods. That guy would be very hard to catch because he's going to know. Because you have people going into woods that are like, yeah, I don't do this. Even if a guy is a nature guy, he's like, I still go home to my house. Like, they would know. You know what, like, maybe think like Holly. Yeah.

Our dog. But how they can figure stuff out, like Bigfoot animals are figured out. I mean, look at a dog. Last night, our dog needs a bath, so my wife doesn't ever want her on the couch. And so when my wife goes to bed, obviously I let the dog get on the couch. What do I care? It's not my couch. I live here. But then my wife got up and walked in, and Holly jumped off the couch. I mean, she just knew she was going to be in trouble because Laura is always like, get off the couch.

And, I mean, right when the door opened, she jumped up and got off the couch. That's a dog. But it's like, I thought it was interesting to be like, this dog knew, ah, man, this lady's about to come yell at me again because I'm up on this couch. And then she got off. So, I mean, if a Bigfoot is, you know, probably just a little bit smarter than me, way dumber than Aaron, you're above it too. I'm saying I'm the closest intelligent-wise. Thank you.

I think me and a Bigfoot, if a Bigfoot hung out with us three, I think I'd get along way better than he goes. What's up with those two? I'm like, they got their nose stuck up pretty high. Don't they? Uh, that's what I would say. And then, but they, they're going to be able to dodge. Yeah. You think you'd be able to dodge? I think they're going to get away. Cause like, like we said, like when I watched, uh, uh, survivor man, when he went, did you, you know, survivor man, uh,

What's his name? Les Stroud. The guy that lives in the woods. Bear Grylls. Do you know Bear Grylls? I know who that is, but I never watched the show. Oh, Man vs. Wild. And then they had Survivor Man. Was a guy, Les Stroud, who's awesome. Awesome show. Eating grubs and worms. Yeah, he goes and lives alone for a week. And he does it with his... He films everything himself. They drop him off, and then they come back a week later.

But he did a Bigfoot episode and it was wonderful. And they just did it and then it just stopped, which I always, I never, it just kind of went away. And it was the most amazing,

intriguing like i was like i mean i loved what was the activity rock throwing and rock throwing uh he said you know he went into it with going look i'm not saying i have any proof that i've he's he's obviously a survivor guy that has lived off the grid for he his family lived off the grid for a while and he stayed alone and he goes i've definitely had stuff happen that i

you know, I didn't see it, but I know something was very crazy. Like all this weird stuff was happening. And then he went up and he was going up and I want to say, can't, uh, somewhere in Canada. But when they say like, why are you not seeing this? Dude, you know how much land there is that we don't know or go to. And there's just, I mean, Matt mountains. You hear lots of stories about hunters. He said, I've hunted in this area for 20 years and I've never seen anything until this one day. And, and,

Yeah, lots of hunters will say, I've been out there 20 years. I've never seen anything. But then you get the hunter who says, I've been out there 20 years, and then one day I saw a clear as day. So this thing is elusive, you know? I mean, just think about even seeing, like when you talk about bears are in the wild. I mean, how many, you know, Black Panther. How hard, there's not even that much recorded video of Black Panthers in

In the wild. They're that good at staying out of the way.

And we know black panthers exist and people have seen them. But I mean, it's just when you're going to see them, you're not like, it's not like you're in a place that you're walking around with all these cameras. Like you're somewhere where you're like, your phone, you know, you're not going to have something that's so great. We were walking our dogs a couple of months back, really late. I think it was like three. Here we go. I'm looking forward to this. 3 a.m.

and uh all of a sudden we come across these two coyotes young ones and they were they're really just mostly black just and there was such a feeling of this is a wild thing i've never seen before and they were curious about our dogs and and just the wildness and and just i guess the uh

It's just so unusual to see. And then, and after I saw that, I said, well, this is how it is. You know, you're walking through your life, you never see anything. And then one day you stumble across something and your mind's blown. And a lot of these people, when they tell their stories, when they get to the juicy parts where they're scared out of their minds, you can hear it in their voice. You know, they're starting to break up.

There's actually one guy, I think it's shut off now, but it was called Crypto PTSD.

And his mission, because he had been scared out of his mind, was to offer a forum for people to tell their stories. And most of them say, I'm so glad that you listened to my story. I feel like a load is off of me because nobody, my own mother wouldn't listen to me and all this stuff. It's palpable how these people feel so relieved that somebody believed them and could tell their story.

And there's a lot of that. Yeah. Coyotes. You know coyotes? Coyotes? Am I saying it right? Coyotes? Coyotes. Coyotes. That's how I say it. Coyotes. Coyotes. Coyotes.

I've never... It's a funny word when you think about coyotes. If someone's driving in their car, they should just pause this and start going, coyotes. I would like some coyotes. Actually, name my dog Yodi. Yodi? Because when we got him, he looked like a little coyote. Yeah. But then he bulked up and... That's probably why they were freaking out. But they've never...

They've never killed a human. There's never been any recorded event of a coyote killing a human. So either they don't do it or they're really good at it.

That's my coyote joke. I wrote a coyote joke. I've always had that joke. Yeah. And I think I've tried it on stage once or twice. Obviously, it doesn't bring the house down. But I can usually find... I like to have jokes where I can never know when I'm going to be in a coyote conversation, and I get it in in every one. I've been in quite a few coyote conversations. Why do you hope we never find Bigfoot? Well, hold on. First, do you think...

Before you die, do you think you'll ever see a Bigfoot? Really doubtful. Really doubtful. What about us? What about your grandchildren?

You really have to make an effort at it, I think. You don't think we ever just stumble where it's like it is 100%? Because you look at the alien stuff now with aliens, which we're getting into aliens, but how it was never... It's all this kind of conspiracy theory stuff. And then the Pentagon came out and said, these are unidentified flying objects. That would be something I never thought I would...

I don't know if I would have thought I would have seen that in my lifetime. At least the government acknowledging- Recently. Recently. What's insane that no one even cares. It's just kind of breezed over. Well, the thing, let me just throw this one out. This guy Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace, he was on 60 Minutes.

And he's like a top NASA contractor. And he flat out says, oh, yeah, they exist. My grandparents saw one down this road. I think he's from Nevada or something like that. And this is on 60 Minutes. And this guy's a top CEO. And nope, you don't hear anything about it. And I'm sitting there going, this guy just admitted on national TV, a major show, that he believes that the extraterrestrials exist.

It's so hard for people to wrap their head around that it's even if you're... I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot to accept this even in your own brain. So when you're... Even if you hear it on 60 Minutes, it's like, and the guy says it, I mean, you're like, I don't know. I mean, I think that's even what this is when the Pentagon says that those are unidentified flying objects. It's still like...

Okay, like it's still not like... They call them UAPs now because they don't want to use the old UFO reference. So now they're Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. And they recently came out with those videos from the Nimitz down in San Diego from, what was that, the 90s or something? I think it was early 2000s. Early 2000s. Oops, sorry.

Now, I had a radiologist who was an Air Force pilot.

Yeah, so this is the one they said is real, right? Yeah, they're not saying it's from outer space, but they don't know what it is. It's not a doctored video. Yeah, that's what they're admitting. Right. It's real. It really doesn't prove anything. I showed that to one of my doctor friends who was an Air Force pilot, and I said, well, if it was a jet, wouldn't you see a big thermal trail coming out of it? He said, no, depending on what your angle was on it.

I think what's more convincing is the interviews with the Navy pilots that encountered it later. Now, these are the guys with the right stuff. And this guy's saying, you know, this thing's zipping up, you know, 30,000 feet in the blink of an eye and stuff like that. To me, they had a show on TV about they were going to try, have a court hearing.

room thing about whether you could prove uh aliens exist or not and they had all this evidence and all these tapes and all this testimony and conclusion yeah you could prove it in a court of law if a court of law would ever entertain it so there you go is uh so when you're saying like so you think you don't think you're uh you don't think you will your grandchildren like i mean them to actually trot out

Say someone shoots a Bigfoot, they lay it down on a table. Oh, for it to come out in their lifetime? That's what I mean. In your lifetime, do you think you're going to see someone with 100% proof evidence that's not... See, the problem is all the evidence, even though you might be like, well, there is 100% proof evidence. I would agree, too, that there is. All these stories are not all made up, but they're still stories. There's still nothing that the average person can really wrap their head around. Is there ever...

you know, like here's the body of a Bigfoot. I would have to say it depends if the forces that be would allow it. Yeah. Because I can't remember any specific one, but I think there has been a body and...

It just disappears. You know, they just come and collect it. And what did we say? Why do they want not, they don't, oh, because they don't want, because it doesn't fit with, it kind of just blows everything, the game up. Yeah. I think if you start pulling that string, other stuff starts coming into it. Yeah. Like one of the questions is, well, how intelligent is this creature?

And then you have this thing called the Sahara sounds where they're doing what they call the samurai chatter, which it sounds like John Belushi doing the samurai thing. And people say, well, that just sounds like gibberish. But then again, people who hear somebody from Asia or something will say, well, that just sounds like gibberish to me. What is the Sahara sounds? It's a pretty good recording of a bunch of them, uh,

It's pretty clear. Oh, Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot. And then you have stories about the Native Americans. All these different tribes have a name for it. Keckla-koogla. So it's in the history. And then you have these newspaper reports when people are heading out on the frontier about the hairy wild man here, the hairy wild man there.

So if it has existed through time, that's what you would expect to find are these little clues in the past. Yeah. And then when you hear their language, it almost sounds kind of Native American. Yeah. Now the stories get wilder and wilder about how they could actually communicate and they know some English phrases and things like that. I am not ready to totally jump on board that, but I think their intelligence is

is up there quite a ways. If they have language and they can share history and information from generation to generation, it would explain how they were- They cannot get caught. Right. So you go to a lot of Bigfoot conferences. Is there levels of what people think is crazy in those Bigfoot conferences? Like what you just said- Okay, here's a borderline. There's another thing

I got into this Bigfoot thing because I used to listen to Art Bell. Yeah. And one night... Which he was on the coast. Is it coast to coast? Yeah, he was the grandfather of that. You know where I would always hear people listen to that when I'd get picked up in the car, like from the airport, like late night, a driver, and he'd always have coast to coast on, and you just knew...

You're like, I liked it because I was like, I could talk about it. Those people that are into that kind of stuff are the most open-minded people that will talk to you about whatever you want to talk about. And that's why if someone listens to that, you're always like, this guy's going to be a good time. It's going to be a fun conversation. Sorry. And...

I got it.

And people do that. They just call in and they corroborate, you know, maybe they're a plant or whatever you want, you know, if you want to go that way. I was, oh, with the Bigfoot thing. So I'm pulling on the Bigfoot string and it keeps going down the rabbit hole. And then I start hearing about this other thing, Dogman. Yeah.

Now, this is just a flat-out werewolf. Yeah. And there are people in the Bigfoot community that hit the brakes. Yeah. They go, no, we're having a hard enough time, people buying this Bigfoot thing. We're not telling anybody there's this 400, 500-pound werewolf thing that's running around out there. Yeah.

And so that's, do you believe in the werewolf too? Or is it? Once again, there's another one called Dogman Encounters. Yeah. I'm into hundreds of these eyewitness things of this thing, right on the Natchez Trace. Oh, here. Right. Tennessee, Ohio, Smokies. Yeah. They're running around.

This guy was saying he was going down the Neches Trace one night and this thing comes peeling out of the woods headed towards his pickup truck. And he's just gunning it and barely gets away. He said this thing could have rolled his truck if it had come down on him. So is it like, this one, to wrap my head around, it's like, we know what Bigfoot looks like. It's just like a big dog.

It stands on two feet lots of the time. Is it Dog Man? Dog Man is what it goes by. Yeah, I don't think I've heard. I know werewolves, but I didn't know that that's crazy.

I love the idea of somebody at a Bigfoot conference. It's great. They're all like, Hey dude, reel it in a little bit. Yeah. I mean, that's the way it is. Yeah. That is, that's, that's what's one. That is, it's a, I did like that, that he said that where it was, that someone has to go, guys, this is, we've gone too far. Yeah. I look,

You don't believe in Dog Man? Of course I believe in Dog Man. But we're not even done with this Bigfoot thing. Let's get to the Bigfoot thing. Once we get Bigfoot acknowledged, then we're snowballing. Dog, I'll throw all this Catwoman. I mean, they all just keep coming now. Mothman. Mothman. I don't even go near Mothman. It's just too far out for me to even...

I was surprised when I did the research. Chupacabra, that's a relatively new creature, right? I don't know. I mean, I think it was like within the last 20 or 30 years. And those are in Mexico. The goat sucker. Yeah. Supposedly attacks the guy's goats and sucks their blood out. A lot of people say it's a really bangey, you know, malformed dog. Dog man or werewolf. So dog man. Oh, yeah. Look at the size comparison thing. This one?

No, the little chart. Yeah, with a human. Dog Manor. On the left. Down. Left. Down. Down. Yes. So... Can you imagine? You see that chart at the top? Yeah. No. You don't see the picture of the man and the werewolf? There you go. Yeah. Yes. This thing would be unbelievable. That... I mean, golly, it's so much bigger. Now, there is a story...

And this is way back. This might be the 70s. Yeah, I think it was 70s. You know, land between the lakes. Yes. Supposedly there was a... That's a lake in Nashville. It's like 45 minutes, an hour away. In Tennessee. In Tennessee. And they dammed up some of the rivers and there's two rivers on either side. It's kind of like a peninsula at this point. And it's a preserve. It's a park. They even have bison out there.

and uh supposedly this couple was camping out there and this dog man thing just tore them up tore their trailer up threw a kid up in a tree and all this stuff uh how substantiated you just hear stories from people who investigated i think there's a guy in tennessee who really is involved in checking it out and uh

He says he knows people that were in the National Guard and the police. And yeah, they went from one end of the thing to another till they found the layer of this thing and killed it. And that was that. But there's a couple of more stories. More recently, they have a little motocross area there.

and some kid was doing the motocross, and this thing comes running out of the woods and kind of grabs at his ankle, but he gets away. And I think there's another story about him out there. So this is how far my research is going to go. I'm going to go camping out there one time. I'll get a kayak.

in the area, a very remote area, this thing, and I'm going to kayak up the streams. All I want to see is a footprint. Yeah. I do not want to see this thing. Yeah. And that, that would be good enough for me. Yeah. Yeah. I tell Laura to turn the air on. It's getting hot in here. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was going to say, is there an ethical argument to be made that,

Maybe we shouldn't be looking for Bigfoot. I mean, obviously they don't want to be found. And I don't think Bigfoot enthusiasts want Bigfoot's gone, you know, extinct.

Is it just they just want to see one and have proof and then everyone will stop looking or what's going on? Well, there's different groups. There's one guy who has a podcast and he wants... He really respects that they're intelligent and everything, but he wants one to be shot and a body brought so there can be no argument about it anymore. I think that's kind of harsh myself. But that's what I mean. That's what it's going to take, obviously. It's going to... Yeah. How many...

So with Bigfoot, like how many things, this opens the door, like Dogman and like, is there, how many of these animals like that are there? Bigfoot, Dogman, like...

Is it keep going? Yeah, it keeps going. Yeah. I don't go out there too far because it just gets weirder and weirder. Yeah. Now, one thing, if we get back to the alien thing, if you accept the premise of the aliens, then you got to accept that the earth has been an open biological system to the whole rest of the universe. Yeah.

You get the feeling that these guys are like curators of Earth. I imagine an Earth-like planet isn't all that common. And it's a fantastic laboratory and resource for biological things. You know, you drop an octopus off and come back in a million years, see what evolved into. Yeah. And...

I see where Bigfoot fits into this real survival module is, let's say humanity kind of wipes itself out. You know, there's no more people people. Yeah. This thing might still be surviving out there. Yeah.

And preserve this whole genetic information thing. Yeah. I think they did get a hair sample and they said there was like human DNA in it, but it was also unknown primate. Yeah.

So these guys could be just like a survival repository of these very human-like genes and they could survive anything. Yeah. There's a database when I was doing research for this of all Bigfoot sightings.

And, I mean, there's a lot just in middle Tennessee. Yeah. Six in Wilson County. How many do they think there are? Like, do people, is it thousands? It would have to be, yeah. Because they're being seen everywhere, all over the world. I mean, it's basically... Texas, you hear about them. There's this thing called the Sam Houston...

State Park down there. And there's all this swampy area between Texas and Louisiana. Yeah. And they say you can go down there and you can hear them hoot and holler at night. Yeah. Maybe that's another thing I'm going to do. Yeah. Is just go down. Yeah.

And just see if you can hear him whooping it up. Yeah, I would love to go look for him. This and storm chasing. I've always wanted to do storm chasing. Yeah. So if you go look for, is there groups that go out and look for this? There are. Is it you got to find the right guy? Or you go to a conference and you'll find somebody. I got a business card from somebody in East. There's some East Tennessee. Yeah, I saw that. I mean, anybody can sign up and go. Yeah.

And then they go and then see it. Is it like Wells where you're like, we got a good shot of seeing them? Is there seasons for Bigfoot? I get the impression they are kind of migratory and like in change of seasons, like spring and fall, they're moving around.

And you just hear about them everywhere, up in Vermont. Anywhere there's water, they like to be around water and hilly stuff and forest. And you got that all over. You got it in the Ozarks. You got it all through the Northwest. And then you hear stuff about Texas, too, that they're out in Texas. So, I mean, to you, like for someone that doesn't believe, you know, that things all this stuff is nonsense, right?

It's like the way that you look at it, there's just too many people talking about it that it can't, like, so who's right? Are all these people wrong? Right. I mean, thousands, millions of people, thousands and thousands and thousands of people are wrong. They're down in Australia too. Yeah. And you're right.

I don't care about being right or wrong. No, no, I'm saying that's what you would say to someone that says they don't... What is the argument to support that? Yeah, their argument to be like, but there is no proof at all. You're like, there's just too much evidence. Signal to noise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about the Patterson video, the most famous Bigfoot? Do you think that's real? I do, because there was some kind of anthropologist guy...

who's like, you know, was a real scientist. And he was saying, you know, the gait and the bones and the muscles rippling and

Are legit. They can't recreate it, supposedly. This is the guy walking? Oh, the one. But this is the one I thought they said that was for sure fake. Well, there's a guy who claims that he got paid to wear the suit. There's someone else who claims that they made this. I thought it had been debunked, but when I read about it, there's still people who think that's real. Oh, I thought it was debunked too, so that people still think that that's real. There's some that do. Yeah, that said they paid a guy to do it. It is true that you, when you look at it,

The arms look awfully long. Is that... Yeah. I don't know. You know, I'm not... You hear things on both sides. I wouldn't be surprised if some wannabe guy wanted to jump on the bandwagon and say, yeah, it was me. Yeah. But, I mean, this was such an old video. Right. And then to think back then, did them have a suit like that, too? That's such a good suit. That, I mean, how expensive did that suit be? Now, they say that...

There's like hybrids of these in humans. These things used to take Indians when they were lonely and you would have a hybrid. And they say the smaller ones are these hybrid types. And it's this thing they call the true giant. And it's 10 feet tall, 800 pounds. And supposedly the howl, and they know how to use this howl, they will be up in your face and let this out.

ungodly roar go right through all your protoplasm and you are messed up for days and weeks yeah that's something i don't know if i even want to experience had they ever uh killed somebody is that what you're saying like is that oh i think that that

Yeah, I think so. You get a whole continuum of the females seem more calm and docile, and then you'll get an alpha male, and he feels challenged or threatened in any way, and they know what guns are right off the bat. So many stories about when somebody started pointing a gun at them, they just started freaking out.

And then there was... And do they run or do they attack? They start the bluff charging. Yeah. Wait, bluff charge, so they act like they're about to... Yeah. And then they're hoping you back off. It's kind of like guerrillas. They come right up. Yeah, and I mean, big... And so they're trying to get out of the confrontation. Like, they don't want to fight you. Like, they don't seem to be aggressive unless...

Most of them just, yeah, they just hide. Like an animal. They just want to be. But like lots of times they throw rocks at people. But if you start throwing rocks back at them, they go nuts. They will not have it.

I heard a very creepy story. These guys were hunting and they were chasing this deer and it went down through this really thick, overgrown, thorny brush stuff. It was just like a tunnel. And they get into the tunnel and all of a sudden there's like this opening, like this pocket opening.

And it's all overgrowth and everything. And they're finding all these animal bones and everything. And he said they found half a hunter. His bottom half was gone. His hunting suit's there. And I think his gun was there too. Wow. They got it. Half a hunter. Yeah. It seems so great. So...

I wanted to ask about the conference. You've been to the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference? That's the only one I've really been to. Do they take it

do they have fun with it or is it very serious yeah yeah it's not like a a cult where everybody's real serious or anything yeah you know there was one you gotta have a pretty good sense of humor too yeah they know they're getting ribbed about and everything there was one lady was a school teacher in her 60s and this was like her avocation and she just thought people should be educated about it and uh

I don't go to too many conferences because I don't think there's anything there you really wouldn't learn on YouTube if you really... Yeah. But one thing I did find out about that I had no idea about was there was one guy, he was like this world adventurer, sorry, world adventurer guy. He'd been everywhere, you know, China, Australia, everywhere. And he had this story about this fishing village he said...

They ran for about 20 years from like 1920 to 1946. And they just shut the thing down and walked away for a minute because they were just getting harassed by these Bigfoot. And this is way up in Alaska. And it was a full-scale operation. It had a canning facility, fishing boats. And year after year, hunters would come out and not come back. Every once in a while, a dismembered torso would come floating down the river into the bay and

And they walked away from it. Yeah. And so I watched this YouTube video where these guys went up there. There were like four of them. And somebody took them in with a boat.

And they are like armed to the teeth and they're going into the woods and they're hearing stuff and, and they're just being real cagey about it. And then one of their guys had an infrared camera and he visually at dusk sees one coming down the hill and he puts the infrared on it. And it's not really conclusive. All you know is it's a big vertical shape and not a big horizontal shape like a moose or something.

But he said he visually saw it, but the only evidence he had was this infrared thing. It was a big bright glowing kind of rectangular vertical thing. So they say they're still up there. And that's, and so that's why, and like people always say like, how come every, it's like every one of these that are filmed are always done very shaky, very, the footage is always terrible. It's never like we, you know, like we got these phones now, nothing is just this perfect video. Yeah.

Which is always a complaint. But I mean, you probably are going to be shaky if you see one in real life. It's got to be nuts. I mean, because some people...

Are going to be like, I don't believe in it to it's real. So that's gotta be about the scared as you can be as a human being. And like just seeing something is to be like, I don't believe in this thing, but now it's there. Right. And so you're going to be, you're going to be shaky. And then, you know, it seems like now that they have trail cameras everywhere, they would pick up. That's pretty uncanny how they avoid the trail cams. And there was one story about this guy who,

He knew they were in the area. He had this box he made and he would put toys and food and stuff in there and he put cameras on it.

And they would always take the food and everything. He said he could not get them on camera. He had it pointed at the box. Somehow he'd see a little blur on the edge of the screen or something. And they just seem so aware that it's something they've got to avoid. Now, how do they do that? You know, how does a creature go, oh, I bet that's a camera. You know, I better not get caught on that.

you know, there's things that you scratch your head over, you know, do they know it's a recording thing that it's going to give them away? So they don't walk on the trails. They know trails are easy to avoid. I mean, cause it's like, you just do your own path. But then here's, here's a, this is a famous Bigfoot video. The longest video there is of one. And this is a youth group,

that was on a Christian youth group. Well, sorry. I thought it started getting more into it here. Uh, they finally zoom in on it. Yeah. So it's, you've seen this. Yeah. It's very, uh, I mean, I don't have the dialogue. I have it muted, but the way they talk make it, that made it more believable because they're, they're not thinking, Oh my gosh, this is a Bigfoot. They're just a bunch of kids who are like kind of goofing around. What is this thing? But it's, uh,

I saw one like that that was shot from one ridge top to another. And that's my theory. The only way you're really going to get evidence is with some telephoto thing where they can't even sense you're around. You're like a mile away or something. And with a really good high definition, high quality telephoto. Yeah.

I mean, well, yeah, yeah, because they're going to pick up a smell. They're going to, you know, they probably can tell that you're there. They don't really like to run, huh? They just kind of. They don't need to run. They don't seem too phased. Yeah. Every video, they're walking. And what are you going to do? What can get them?

So what would they... Dog man. Dog man, yes. Dog man would be the problem. Are Bigfoot, are they carnivores, herbivores? What do we think? Do they eat meat? Deer. Okay. And wild boar. And we have a huge deer population, so there's plenty of food for them. They just grab them by the back legs and slam them against a tree. Yeah. So they have no predator...

for them in the wild, right? They're the top of the food chain? Yeah, I imagine so. Okay. This is the last one I'll show you. This is a video, guys. They think this is a bear right there. This is two boys and they think they're zooming in on a black bear. Looks like a black bear right there, right? They're just kind of checking it out and then it stands up right there. Oh, that's a good one. And they run! That's what I would have done. Yeah. That made my day, yeah. Wow.

And that's basically it. That is an honest reaction. Yeah, that's the ones that could be, if you worry about them being fake, just press mute. If you worry about it being fake, that's one that you're like, you could fake that. So you see that video and you can never really see what they're looking at. And then it stands up and walks off and they take off front of it.

It's like if people got good at making fake videos, you're like, that's how you make a fake video. Like that. You don't acknowledge it. Don't be trying to... The Blair Witch Project. There's a bear, then take off running. And you post that and then that could be... It is. I mean, I think there has to be... You're going to get some really undeniable footage. And then what happens? I mean, then everybody's got to accept it. I don't know. I mean, it's the...

Here's an angle I've heard recently is the lumber industry does not want these things found because if they're found, it's all of a sudden, all this is Bigfoot habitat. Yeah. And you can't be logging it like, you know,

That's a pretty legit argument. If it comes down to money, you could see how some CEO or lumber company is saying something. Hey, you got to put the lid on this. It's like Jaws. Oh, it's Labor Day weekend. Hey, we got a lot of big white sightings. I don't want to hear about it. Everybody's coming to the beach. That's another angle. There's another phenomenon going on, the missing 411 incident.

There's a guy who's been researching for years. He got a bunch of books out. He says people have been disappearing from national parks left and right. Like a guy will have his kid right next to him and he'll turn around and the kid will be gone. Or some campers...

They'll find all the car, the camping stuff and everything, and they're just gone. And he says there's no national database on this stuff. He's got to drag the information out of them, and they're really resistant. Like if you go to Yellowstone or something, hey, you have records on people missing him maybe. Or they'll charge you. They'll charge you like $30.

$30,000 to make copies of their stuff. There's a lot of that going on where they will just charge you a ton of money to get any of the information, if it's UFO stuff or this missing stuff. So the question is, are these people all really disappearing from national parks and what's taken them? And maybe we should know about it. Yeah.

That is true. Like when a kid goes missing in a park or if someone misses, but you mean you assume they're lost. Right. Or someone did it to them, but you don't think that much about them. They don't really explain like what happened because I mean, you see it on the news all the time, pretty regularly, you know, maybe a big story will come out. There was something around Cookville or something. This was like maybe a year or two ago where they said they found somebody who had been attacked by dogs.

And it sounded kind of fishy to me. It could have been one of those things where maybe it's one of these cryptid things and it just tore somebody up and, oh, it's dogs, wild dogs. You know, you don't hear about wild dogs really taking somebody down too often. Yeah.

uh there's just another where's the where's bigfoot the most like where is is there any you said ozarks and now have a hot spot or well definitely the pacific northwest yeah because there's just unlimited timber up there it's another and all the way up into canada another joke i had uh when i went to mount hood on the way out to that where they filmed the outside of uh

The Shining, the hotel. Yeah. Out front of the hotel is all this Mount Hood Hotel. And you stay in this hotel. And they have DVDs of The Shining. You can go get it at the front desk. For a good night's sleep. For a good night's sleep, yeah. I watched it for... I went and got it and watched it that night. And a lot smaller of a hotel. It's just the back of the hotel as they used. But anyway, so on the cab on the way there...

I told the guy and I go, you guys got a lot of trees here, man. Like, cause it's an overwhelming amount. We have a lot of trees here, but when you go up there and drive, it's a lot of trees and it just, it's, it's too much to take in. It's an ocean worth of just, it doesn't stop.

That's not even including Alaska. Yeah, that's nothing. This is just what you see leaving the airport and going out to... It's not like I thought, oh, I'm going to be funny and say this. It was almost like it just came out of me. The guy that was the Uber driver, I'm like, you guys got a lot of trees here. This is really too many trees. This is more than I care for. And he goes, okay. He didn't even know what to... I mean, what's he going to say? He's like, it's insane that I'm even... That is terrible small talk.

But it's that many trees that you're like, this is a lot of trees. You're not from around here, are you? No. This is too much to handle. It was too much to take. It's that many trees. That's when I think of that with Bigfoot. I go, look how many trees. You couldn't even search this area. Marco. Yeah. Is it a question of resources?

Why we don't have fiscal evidence. I mean, I mean, I mean, obviously, you know, they're elusive that they they have all these ways of avoiding being caught. But but let's say that let's say tomorrow the government decides it's now their number one priority to find a Bigfoot. And they devote all the resources of the federal government, the military. They deploy the National Guard, all our technology. I mean, is it just a question of I think the feds know about it.

Yeah, yeah. Because every time there's an incident and sheriffs are involved or the Department of Natural Resources, all of a sudden these other guys come in and they just start ordering people around and, yeah, you saw a bear or you saw a cat or something like that.

And it's all in the national parks and everything. It's just, you really get a feeling it's at the federal level. The word is get in there, shut it down. And whenever these guys in the suits show up, everybody just caves to those guys, whoever they are. Well, they gotta be, yeah, that's like the men in black. Like you said, like it's a group that the people that you're like this, you're going to be,

Those guys are almost as elusive as Bigfoot. I mean, it's not like you know who those guys are. So when those guys show up,

You're like, I feel like I've heard about you too. So then you're kind of like, what is that about? And it's a guy that's got a job that's like, does your job exist? He's like, that doesn't exist. It's a guy whose life doesn't matter. The guys that come in, I talked to an Army Ranger guy, a friend of mine, Daniel. We had just golfed with him yesterday. But he, awesome, interesting dude. I think you could make a movie about this guy's life.

But they could go into being like other... I want to say it's kind of not a spy thing.

It's CIA, but it's like these dudes that are kind of loners. And they end up... He would tell me stories that they'd be walking around in Afghanistan, just like on a mission. And they're kind of walking on this mountain by themselves. And just a dude from Cleveland. I mean, like from Cleveland, Ohio. He's just sitting there with a bag. And he just turned a corner and he's like, what's up, guys? He's just there. And you're like...

What are you doing? And I was like, did you ever ask him what he's doing? He's like, you don't. You know how confident of a human is that you're by yourself in the mountains of Afghanistan? He'll have like 500 grand worth of money on him because they're using that to get like... It's just a dude that knows how to do everything. So it's a guy that could beat up all those army... He's a guy that knows...

He's like a make-believe person. Yeah. And he just is a loner that's just kind of... Like Jason Bourne. Yeah. It's like Jason Bourne. You know, what's the movie 12 Strong or something? 13 Strong with Chris Hemsworth? Yeah. It's 12 Strong, right? 12 Strong. 12 years of...

12 years a slave. Yeah, that's it. You know what, Aaron? You're right. I've messed up. 12 years a soldier. Schindler's List. It's the worst. Maybe it was. No.

Never seen Chimney Boots, by the way. I've never have. Really? It's a big one. You can't get enough concentration camp action. Yeah. I don't have it. It's so uplifting. But in that movie, when a guy comes up to him on a horseback and tells him, here's where all the people are at, here's what you got to do, blah, blah, blah, and then he leaves with the group of the people from that country. It's essentially that guy. Yeah.

It's like, you know... And that... Anyway, long way around. The men in black guys, I mean, if you... If someone walked in here right now and they had the confidence of just coming to your house, they're not...

They're not asking you to let them in. You would be so blown away by that guy. It was very creepy. They could convince you. The idea of propaganda, the idea of that. Propaganda is very powerful. You just see this stuff over and over again. You think, oh yeah, it does that with alcohol. I read a book about not drinking. An alcohol book about just breaking down alcohol. Alcohol is just built into your

From the time you're a baby and you see a cartoon and Bugs Bunny has a thing of beer or something or they pour. Alcohol is just so around your life. Conditioned. You're conditioned into doing it. I lost my job. Time to drink. Yeah. Everything. Celebrate. Time to drink. It's his birthday. It's this. Everything's a drink. Everything's around drinking. So it's like all this stuff, they could easily make you question everything. Yeah. When people give false confessions. Yeah.

That happens all the time. Yeah. Because you're just like, maybe I was there. I don't know. Can I get some sleep? Yeah, just. Exactly. Is that what you hear, though, when you listen to those podcasts or interviews, that people are saying that the governments are coming in and telling them, keep your mouth shut? Yeah. You come across it from time to time, not every case. But if somebody's getting real public, like those fishermen guys who went to the hospital, and they are just vocal. They're just telling everybody about it.

And they're talking to the police and they're talking to the Department of Natural Resources guys. And then there's these other guys there. I think the guy represented himself as an FBI guy. And I think the resources guy pulled him over and said, hey, listen, if you want to get out of here, just tell them you saw a bear because they're not going to let it go.

They can make you lose all your money, go poor, homeless, and now you're a crazy person. And then everybody goes, well, that wasn't, that guy was a nut job. Right. And it's like that easy to whittle you down. Take away, if they took away all your money, your wife's going to leave you. You're, you know, like everything. You can't get a job.

you're going to have to end up probably doing something that's illegal, like to make money. And then you're going to get arrested. I mean, they can easily turn you from, and now you're a crazy person. Well, we're getting into the, like the secret forces at play. And that ties into the UFO thing. Cause if, if we've had the craft and we've harvested the technology and you hear it was all the guys that were in Los Alamos, uh, Teller, uh, they were all, uh,

folded into this stuff. What is it? Los Alamos? Los Alamos Laboratories. Yeah. That's a laboratory where they kept all this stuff? Well, all this stuff is associated. You've had Bell Labs out there. You had E&G, Skunk Works.

All the Area 51, even though I don't... So this is all area... I don't even know what this stuff is. So this is all Area 51 things. You would have to... If you accept UFOs crashed and we're working on it,

You got to think there's this whole infrastructure of secrecy that's dealing with this stuff. And who would the players be? And you can kind of identify them if you look through history. What was this one guy's name? He was like the brightest scientist guy. And he was just cabinet level stuff. And you see his fingerprints all over it. And so here you have...

Who knows what these technologies are like? Right off the bat, you've got anti-gravity. Right off the bat, you've got that zero-point energy stuff they talk about, the quantum field stuff where they talk about empty space is not just empty. It has a potential of just huge amounts of water. And this is what quantum scientists just say outright. They're on record saying a cubic centimeter of empty space, no matter...

has enough energy potential to boil off all the oceans of Earth. Wow. So here's some kind of technology where you're tapping into just reality itself and pulling juice out of it. No transmitter, no generator. You just have, and they say Tesla was onto this.

And look what happened to him. Unlimited source of energy. And then you start analyzing it from... Oh, like the real Tesla. Like Tesla was onto this. I thought you meant like an Elon Musk kind of reference. So then you start analyzing it politically. Well, why would they repress something like this? Well, here's a device...

Everybody gets off the grid. Everybody's not under your control anymore. We don't like that so much. We like everybody. We like centralized technologies like nuclear and petroleum because we got this system set up and it's status quo. Do not rock the boat. Yeah, it's people that don't want change. It's my wife. But it is. And there's people that would even, if you told them,

We have it. There's a, so there's like unlimited energy, right? Right. And this thing, if you told a person that we have unlimited energy, are we just keep doing what we're doing? Most people probably go, let's just, I don't want it. Let's just do what we're doing. Even if you promised all the stuff you promised, because most people don't want change. They like everything to kind of be, uh,

Just like, we got a good thing going. I don't want to be messing everything up, trying to... Then you ask yourself, is this climate change thing real or not? If we keep burning fossil fuels, are we burying ourselves? Yeah. So then it starts getting a little serious. Being like, well, we should be doing this. Maybe we shouldn't have all this secrecy. And I understand the thinking about, well, here's an...

unlimited energy source hey let's weaponize this what kind of laser can we make with this thing you know to cut the earth in half or something like that you know and you kind of can respect the guys that control things for keeping a lid on stuff because who knows what's going to happen if it gets loose but you just get the feeling on this planet we've got to make some changes

I think we're doing fine. But it's... Does every country probably have stuff? Everybody has aliens and UFOs? Yeah, you hear it all over. Here's the other interesting thing, just like how Bigfoot can hide. It's like, how could there be this agreement between...

across all these countries in the world not to come out with this UFO stuff. But there are cracks in the thing. Like when there was perestroika, when everything was flipping over in Russia, all these UFO files came out. And then wham, Putin's in and they slam the door on it. And then you hear like, I don't know if it's Brazil or Argentina, they have a coalition between the military and these citizens groups and UFOs. It's out in the open.

that they mutually give each other information about the stuff that's flying around. And there's a couple of countries like that. But then you wonder, well, how did they get all these other countries to toe the line? And you see the NATO countries and you see China and Russia suppressing it. It seems like every kind of authoritarian system doesn't want this stuff out there because it just challenges their authority. Right.

Well, there's other countries, their power doesn't really change much, right? Like they're, they kind of, whoever's in power is in power for a long time. And a lot, is it Putin? Like does Putin get, is he up for reelect? Yeah, he keeps getting himself reelected. In theory. Yeah. In theory, yeah. He keeps killing people that don't vote for him. Yeah, yeah. So they're, so they don't ever really have to, and I, and I agree that I bet it's to their best interest to be like, you don't want to lose power.

And you're going to lose power with, you know, if you try to do this as a country, like if you're like, Hey man, there's something that's crazy out here. And so you gotta, you know, it's like opening that door.

That could change everything. That joke when I would say about the Bigfoot, if they showed it, we're now from that moment on, we know Bigfoot exists 100%. There's not even a question. He's out there. Anytime you go to the woods, we're not going to go to the woods. We're not going to go camping as much. We're not going to do a lot of things. Right now, you could go camping because most people are like, don't be ridiculous. There's no Bigfoot. If they come out and say there is,

Now, you're not. You're children. You're children are children. Everybody's different now. You think COVID was bad for the national parks? Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot. Bigfoot would be a problem. Is aliens, like you said, Bigfoot, could they be aliens? Or is that like a theory? You hear little one-off stories about a guy sees a UFO and all of a sudden he sees a Bigfoot going up in the beam. Yeah.

I think they're messing with everything. But then you got this other thing going on. I like that you're in the circles that...

You brought that up as a breeze-by story. It happens every day. You know, you go to the gas station and you hear this guy just go, like, do you see that alien, that Bigfoot gets sucked up by that UFO? See, they're not just pro, but guys. Can you imagine? I like to think, yeah. If you saw a UFO and you're like, oh, my God. Nobody will believe me. And then, wait, a Bigfoot, it's the way it goes up. Here's a thing you could do. Just start asking people you know if they've seen a UFO.

And I started doing that and I got about five people that I don't think are crazy. Yeah. That, that have had up close and personal. There were two teachers I know were coming from a conference in Nashville and they're coming down 65. And I, I,

I think they were like near Columbia or something. And they see the glowing thing on the tree line. They pull over to look at it for a while. Then they suddenly realize, hey, we got to get the hell out of here. And these are people I know. They have kids, they have families. And you just dig a little and you start seeing things.

This is not as uncommon as you think it is. You know, just start asking people, you know, hey, you ever see a UFO? You know, I've had veterans that said they have seen them. You know, I've had veterans say they've seen Bigfoot. You know, just a casual, hey, you ever see anything weird out in the woods there? Yeah. And the one thing that always happens when Bigfoot's around is everything goes dead silent. No birds, no crickets, no nothing.

You always get the feeling you're being watched. It's palpable. And everything goes dead silent. So if you're in the woods and that happens, it's time to head back to the truck. If the Bigfoot watches you, do they tell you, is it like just leave because you're in its territory? Or do they say, just go to sleep? No, they say back out. Just leave.

Don't run. So if you say you go camping and you feel like that's happening and you're in your tent asleep, is it get out, pack your stuff? Pack up and go, yeah. And they might give you time. The Bigfoot at least gives you some time. Does the Bigfoot understand? Do you go into the woods? You go, heads up, I'm obviously leaving. It takes me time. I can't just scoop this up. They escort you out. They parallel you as you walk out. What does that mean?

They're in the woods. They're keeping pace with you. Yeah. They make sure you're on the way up.

So if you just start packing your things, I'm just thinking logically when we have to think through this. Do you have to leave your tip? Some people do. They leave their fishing gear. They leave their rifles. They just get the heck out of it. I grab the rifle. That would be the one thing I grab. Do people shoot at these? Yes, they do. And they don't like it at all. That's surprising. But they won't stop. But the thing is, you can hit them and they keep coming.

Yeah. Because they've got a muscular core there. Yeah. If you're going to shoot him, aim for the head because they can take bullets like nobody's business. Yeah. But you'll kill him if you hit him in the head? If you get it, you can kill, you know, an elephant if you hit it in the right place. Yeah. But the body shots just don't do it. But if you shot an elephant over it, it's still going to come at you. Like, it

You get it just right. That's crazy that they walk you out. They make sure that you're... They escort you out. Yeah. They do. I've heard that over and over again. Yeah. And you feel like they're... And the person could never technically really see them. You just see the black shape behind the tree. Yeah. And you know it's time to... Can you imagine the fear you would have of just knowing...

That it's there. It's there. There's two of them right there. And it's... Yeah, there's always more than one. Yeah. You may not see them or hear them, but there's always more than one. I was going to ask that. So yeah, they're typically in groups. Yeah. So the ones that are... It looks... All the videos that I've seen, it's just one. So those are just must be stragglers. But typically they travel... They're in groups most of the time. Yeah, you look to me as if I... Yes, Aaron, they do. Yeah.

They typically go together a lot. They like gatherings. They're into parties. Something that is never mentioned. Bigfoots celebrate each other's birthdays. Did you know that? Did you ever think that you would see a Bigfoot birthday party? Because I've stumbled across quite a few of them and they don't care for it. Do you think aliens look like what we think in the movies? Well, they...

There's not just one species of alien. Yeah, I like just jumping wildly to that. If you had to pick one, did you only believe in one, aliens or Bigfoot? If I had to choose? Yeah. I'd rather the aliens be real because that really flips everything. Yeah. So there's no aliens, there's no species, there's no...

It's not like it's a bodily form. There's all kinds of species of greys. Yeah. You got greys that are almost white and short. You got greys that are greenish grey. But are their bodies like what you think in a movie? Yeah. Well, what's come to light to me over the years more recently is the little guys are just like clone android robot guys. And that's the way they act most of the time. There's a taller guy usually in the background and he'll just fling the little guys around if they're not doing what he wants. Yeah.

so what if so when they fly down they have a tall the tall one it's like almost like why are they they're coming here just to see what's going on or like motives yeah what are the motives what if they're us from the future

There's that too. Personally, I don't believe in time travel in the past. I just can't. Well, that's ridiculous. And yeah, I've got my limits. Well, you're insane. And I'm sorry we brought you. You know what? I thought. Boy, open your mind. Get out of here. Tachyons. Yeah, sure. Uh,

Where were we going with this? Well, I was asking about... Yeah, well... What's their motives? Yes. Well, it's definitely some genetic thing going on. It's just over and over again. You think they would get tired of this multi-generational, we're going to impregnate you, oh, the baby's gone, all of a sudden, hey, meet your hybrid baby. This stuff goes on and on and on everywhere. And so...

why do they have to be messing with our genetics? And there's a theory that, well, they're integrating into us and they're going to be living as us on this planet because it's a nice planet to live on. There's another theory that they want to make us a less aggressive form of humanoid because our history is just of warfare, endless warfare. And if we're going to be a global civilization,

We're not going to be able to continue this warfare idea down the line. They said if they can't handle it, then don't come down here. You can't taste the heat in the kitchen. Don't be cooking. That's another reason. What does that say? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Yeah, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, aliens. You can't handle a little brawl? They ever been challenged before? They don't like our vibes. Yeah. It's too... It's like... That's funny, though. That is... So they're...

So they're playing, in theory, I like that we could have a nice planet. I like that idea that we got a great planet. And you get people that claim to be hybrids, but you can't just look at it and say, oh, you look like a hybrid. Yeah, that's pretty good. That'd be rude. Yeah. Your hair's a little thin there. You look kind of pale.

You're like, Kevin, how long have you been here? You feel like you've been here, like that's your age. You're like, Kevin, I could be wrong, but I think you knew my great grandma. Like, how old are you? I would like to live about 300 years. And then the aliens kind of fix you up. Yeah, you got 300 years, go. And then you get to be about, you know, 280 and go, I'd really like to live for 600 years. I would just like to be frozen and woken up 200 years from now.

For a week. Yeah. I just say, what happened? Yeah. And then they would shoot him in the head after that one week. He wouldn't ask. That's fine. I'd be good with it. When they go, can I get two weeks? And you go, this is the problem with this. These guys always want more. They can't just be happy with this one week.

Now, you've got the aliens supposedly, you got ones that look like praying mantis, you got the lizard ones, God only knows how many varieties this stuff is. Then you throw in there that some of them say, well, they're just shape-shifting. They've got such psychic powers, they can just make you believe you're seeing whatever you're seeing. And like, oh boy. And then you've got the thing where

Well, it seems you get all these reports where our military guys are involved. And you're like, what the hell is up? I mean, over and over again, somebody will be, they kind of come out of their drug state or whatever, and they see all these guys in fatigues walking around. And you just wonder, you hear stories about Truman made some kind of agreement with the aliens for technology, if they could experiment with us genetically, and

I don't know if I'm on board with that or anything, but you keep, you keep hearing like,

somehow we're involved with these guys, that there's some other agenda. Talk about a secret though. That is a pretty tough secret to keep from president to president. Like it, that would be a secret that you're like, it can't leave like this room. It would have to be like, we believe in this and we can never introduce a new person to this world. Cause that's, that's what I was, we always talk about conspiracy theories with some of them where

Where they're hard to believe because I think it's hard to keep a secret. And this would be a secret that you can't be switching. That's the other argument, yeah. You can't switch power. I mean, since true, like you would have 10 presidents know about this and they're all being quiet? No, some of them get read in. They said Reagan was read in. What does that mean? That the powers that have got this working are...

Some presidents they go to and they say, yeah, you know, we got this relationship with the aliens. We're getting all this technology and all this stuff. And so some find out, some don't. It won't be Democrats. The Democrats won't get read in. Yeah. Are you saying read in? Yeah. That's the expression. I used to check out this guy named Stephen Greer and he had this disclosure project that

that was really cooking right before 9/11. He had all these congressmen, he had all these insiders, I mean guys that were on the crash retrievals and could be vetted. And they all were getting together, they're all getting on videotape. You can always check that out. All those videotapes are there on YouTube. It was the most organized effort I had ever seen

to get recognition. You know, they had press conferences and everything. And then like a week later, boom, 9-11 happens and completely overshadowed what they were doing. And I mean, so people would think that's a conspiracy that they did because they're like, oh, they're about to, because I guess what would be, if we knew, if people knew about this, I guess it is, it's the power of they know, if you know that there's something else out there, I guess every, you know, you're, I mean, that's where probably a lot of, uh,

governments have trouble with religion because if you're not answering to them, you're not answering to the president of the power, you're answering to God, a higher being. And so that's why they could not like religion because you don't... Your authority isn't to the great power of this office. It's to a higher... And now you open the door and there is higher stuff and that could cause complete chaos. Well, we already have people questioning religion like crazy. Yeah. These recent generations. Then you throw...

that everything you knew was wrong in there, but we've been visited for millennia. Maybe we've been engineered. Maybe it wasn't the Garden of Eden. Maybe it was these cats tweaking monkeys. There's an interesting angle argument I've heard that human beings are kind of a far-fetched idea to be evolved naturally because of the size of our heads.

That it is like anti-survival for this big head to try and pass through the birthing canal of an anthropoid like it is. Because, you know, through history, before we had more medical science, a lot of women were not surviving childbirth. You were just wondering, well, if everything's selecting for survivability, what is this big headed creature idea going for?

And that makes me think, well, if they've been tweaking us, isn't there evidence in our genes somewhere? And I've just heard rumors that it looks like our genes have been edited, but I really haven't been able to dig up anything really solid on that. But it should be in the genes if we've been, you know, tinkered with, you would think. Have you ever just...

You ever get a good night's sleep? Or is it just like, I mean, just every night before you go to bed is a nightmare because you have so many questions. Yeah, I've had a couple of nights where I'm just going and going and going. I understand that. I can do that too where you can't get yourself to sleep. Just shut up. I mean, yeah. What are you going to do about it tonight? Yeah. Why tonight? You have to figure it all out.

Do you think that we, with aliens, do you think we're, we're have, I know they're saying this where they're depending, they're saying that these are whatever they are, but still it's not, it's still just the guy saying that's what it is. Seemed, you know, is there ever, if any of this stuff, I mean, I guess, like you said, it's going to change everything. Do they ever, does everything, anything ever change where they go, here's an alien. Here's, it was just him. And he talks to us. People saying that disclosure is happening now. Yeah. That this, uh,

What was it? ATIP program. That's what the Harry Reid got his $12 million to throw at. And then this guy Bigelow ties into that again, because he's a big pal of Harry Reid, an ex-senator, a Republican senator, I believe. And they got this little program going. And there's something in there that Bigelow got some materials from a craft that

There's actually... Off this world. Yeah, materials. Yeah. There's some kind of rumor that he's got some stuff in his whole aerospace corporation somewhere. And there was some NASA contracted physicist...

who's on record saying that he was presented with materials to analyze that could not be of Earth origin. Yeah. Bob Lazar? No, it wasn't Bob Lazar. It was just some other guy recently. This came out recently. And the guy is like a legit scientist who contracts, consults with NASA and stuff like that.

So it looks like it's going towards, maybe everybody's going to become so aware of it that you're going to be like, we want some answers. Do you think we're ready for the answers as humans? More and more, I think the present generations, a lot of them, yeah, they're probably there. Aliens are probably there. More than like in the 60s and 70s.

There's just so much stuff out there making you think about it. Independence Day, you know. There's another. The movie. Yeah. Yeah. But just it's always in our consciousness. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the alcohol thing. Like it's, oh, you have those or a side. Yeah. Right.

Now there's another theory, and this Dr. Stephen Greer gets behind this, that he, his insiders are saying that they want to use an alien threat as a way to consolidate power globally. Yeah. And, uh,

They're going to have some kind of scenario where it appears to be an alien invasion. I think that's pretty out there to try and pull that off on the civilization as it is. But you can see somebody who's thinking about it. I get that. I could see that. I mean, I think I always think they can do stuff.

That can make you, even what you don't believe, you could think, well, that makes sense. I mean, even just a quick description of that is going, well, we're about to be attacked by aliens. Don't you think we should all get together so we don't have to fight them off individually? We're already all like, yeah, I agree with that. And now they've got you in the thing. It's that simple. It's as simple as that. Well, what was the Phoenix Lights thing?

The mayor of Phoenix who ridiculed the whole thing came out years later and said, you know, I thought it was the right thing to do. It was to diffuse the situation by making fun of it. But hey, I saw it too. So here's the mayor of Phoenix saying, yeah, I saw this, you know, 200 foot wide triangle blotting out the stars drifting over Phoenix along with hundreds and hundreds of other people. I think that stuff's ours. I think the black triangle stuff is...

is our stuff. That they're just like some kind of military thing they're trying. Yeah. I think they've been working on it for decades. And the other thing that gets me is people say, well, I saw the lights there, but they were like regular lights with light filaments in them. And you're going...

Well, that doesn't sound real alien to me. A GE bulb, you know, in this thing. So something's really fishy. Maybe there's a dumber planet. Hey, we figured out anti-gravity. Let's figure out how to make books now. What if an alien comes here and goes, I didn't float down there like I do at home. Like he just, he doesn't float because he doesn't know gravity. But you don't think there's a dumb planet, a dumb alien? No.

I wasn't floating. I bought this huge UFO. You didn't float them? He's like, just please. Like, if I went to another planet, that would be what I would bring back. Well, they have to be smart enough to get here. But... But, I mean, if they're on their parent ship that just automatically has GPS and goes, then they get in. We talked about switching out the people in the car and they messed up. Yeah. I mean, you get... Like, if I went to another planet...

Your clothes are on inside out. Yeah. You got your brother's socks on. Yeah. They get in a hurry. Yeah. An alien's got to be in a hurry. Do they live on another planet? Do they think? There's another whole realm of speculation. Yeah. It's...

Let's just dive into it real fast. Is there... I like you can't do that real fast. 30 seconds. Is there another realm of existence? Go ahead. Are they from other dimensions? This is a big thing lately. Just in the last 10 years or so is the hyper-dimensional aspect of these things. You know, the people are getting more and more... Is it just nuts and bolts craft that come from somewhere else? Or are they phasing in from another dimension somewhere? Don't... You know, who knows, man. But...

You know they can dematerialize stuff and just send you through walls. So they know something about matter and energy we don't know. They say they increase your frequency or something. But this stuff isn't that far-fetched. We got MRI. What does MRI do?

It takes every, all the atoms in your body spin and they have an axis, a pole, North and South pole. And the MRI puts you in a strong magnetic field and all those atoms line up.

And then they shock them with a pulse of energy. The energy bounces out and they get an image out of that. So we've learned how to manipulate matter to a certain degree. And we realize it's a more of an energy phenomena than some mechanical, you know, whirligig or something. Give a civilization a 20,000 year lead on us. What are they going to come up with? Yeah. You know,

That's why this stuff doesn't seem that strange to me. We're the ones that are freaking ignorant.

Yeah. We're behind. Is it our fault? We're doing the best we can. We just crawled out of the cave. I think we're doing good. I think we should be proud of her. I think if you're driving and listening to your car, that's pretty crazy that you can hear my voice out of your car. That is crazy. And you know what? Good for you, human. You're doing great. Let's hear it for humanity. We're only going to get better.

We're all doing better. We're at least talking about them. We like Bigfoot stuff. Going to get those alien genes where we'll be cranking out stable geniuses like crazy. Is it? I mean, yeah. Do they think there will ever be us and aliens living together, openly knowing about each other? I hope so. Yeah. I think the aliens are worried we're going to blow this place up.

Because when do they really show up, right? After nuclear testing. Because they're being ridiculous. They're stupid. What do they know? And then you have the stories about them actually...

Messing with our nuclear capability. Have you heard of that stuff a couple little bit? Yeah, where they get I've heard no Anything that you say I promise I've never heard to go I've heard some downstairs if my wife was talking about it, but I see the M places I'm ready. We still have them And it's a thing. There's an astronaut Cooper

he went on a Gemini thing. Before he was an astronaut, he was on one of these missile silo bases and he's on record saying this stuff. And he's down the silo, he's the guy on watch or something like that. And the patrols around the bases, "Hey, we're seeing these glowing lights flying around. Okay, keep an eye on them. Oh, hey, this one's landing right on the runway. Okay, film it." Because they have film, you know? "Okay, it's like it's gone.

All right, bring the film down here. So here's an astronaut, Gordon Cooper. He says he sees this film. It's a UFO. It landed right on the runway on a nuclear missile base. He packs up the film, sends it to Washington. Word is, don't say anything about this ever again. This is a guy, top of the class, right stuff, astronaut, fighter pilot guy on record. He's passed away recently.

You know, what more do you need? Yeah. Why did he say... But he finally said something. They said, don't say anything. Years later, he did. Now, about the missile bases, they were...

A number of incidents is where the UFOs were sighted and all of a sudden all the missiles became inoperative. I think they used to have hard drives on them and they said they spun down, shut off, and they could not figure out how anything could have gotten past all the cryptography and everything to do this. And then I think they spun some up.

ready to launch at another missile base. UFO sighted, hey, look what we can do. And I think

I think that promoted another whole level of concern in the powers that be. Like, these guys are messing with our national security stuff. Never mind they fly over our airspace, which is not allowed. You got to identify yourself and all this stuff. Now they're showing us they can mess with our nuclear capability. You think that got somebody's attention? I think so too. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, they don't... So they fly over airspace. Yeah, they're not saying anything, but I guess they don't care. Like, they're...

That brings up the angle of, well, we're not disclosing it. Why the hell don't the aliens disclose it? All they have to do is show up at a Super Bowl or something like that. So obviously... What if they're not sports fans? They don't understand sports. It's like, why are these people running around? This makes no sense at all. Well, if the Titans would have got in, we would have came. But the Chiefs beat them and then now... Yeah, like they could just land and then...

But I guess probably they could see it where it's, what's the benefit to them? I've heard the argument is people that have talked to aliens and say they would either start worshiping us

or else demonizing us as the devil. And there are a lot of like fundamentalist groups and stuff like this. They all say the aliens do exist. They are the devil, you know, watch out for them. Yeah. I think even somebody in Trump's. Yeah. Advisors. Is it, uh, uh,

how do you think you leave a conversation with an alien? Do you think you just go, all right, man. Well, it was an honor. Let's go. I love that. You know, I mean, how do you get out of that? How do you, if you're talking to an alien, does he just leave? He disappears. Our old Irish goodbye. And then, you know, I don't know. I think you would get frustrated with them quickly. You go, all right. Can I have a souvenir?

asking for what can i have oh can i have something alien yeah keychain you know yeah can i you have anything like that and he's like i mean i don't have pockets you know we don't have stuff uh i don't even have you don't have any you don't have a magnet what does your kid make something you don't take it home from school or something he's like i don't it doesn't work like that you're like oh god uh this has been a nightmare get the pro get the pro

Which one? I got a souvenir for you. If you could choose just one for you, which one would it be? Bigfoot or? I mean, I love Bigfoot, but it was like, it means whatever I pick, the other one can't exist. Yeah. Aliens, I think there's just too much like how crazy that could be. But I don't know. But that seems dangerous too, though. Aliens can seem like they could wipe you out. Like they could just wipe us out. Why haven't they already?

Because, I don't know, they might not care to. They might... What does it matter to them? But, I mean, that's the threat. Bigfoot can't wipe us out. Like, Bigfoot's trying to be left alone. So, pure safety of your planet, you might be like, I want Bigfoot over UFOs because...

Bigfoots are going to be... Manageable. It's manageable. Yeah. I mean, they're trying to leave everybody alone. Don't go camping. And if you feel weird, if you get a tingly thing in your stomach, then get out. They'll escort you out. They're escorting you out. It's better than having things put up your nose in other places. It's like the COVID test every day if you're getting probed by an alien. Just all-day COVID tests.

Yeah. And so you say earlier, you hope that we, there is there a time where we can, they coexist. So I mean, the alien stuff is basically being like, yeah, it's out there. Like it's there. There's, you know, is there more evidence for aliens in Bigfoot or then? That's a good question. I would think so. Yeah. Yeah. We've had this argument about which one you've said to me, if you believe in aliens and you got to believe in Bigfoot. Yeah. But to me, the universe is,

Goes on forever. We don't know what's out there. Yeah. Whereas on this planet. I know, but they said, but the, the, but like I said, they still find fish. We still see fish in the sea that we've never seen. Right. Yeah. And so the, I know everybody wants to, you know, everybody's like we were, we're overcrowded and all this stuff, but if you go drive through Wyoming or Alaska, there's nothing, no one lives there. And it's thousands of miles. Yeah.

that are just nothing. And these, in the mountain, go to the Smoky Mountains. There's mountains. There's, I mean, it's not like we're walking around discovering this because we can't all live up in there. So it would, there's just so many places to hide. I mean, like I said, the Black Panther, the Black Panther just doesn't not get seen. It doesn't get caught. The giant squid. The giant squid. Yeah. Was it? Yeah. So 2003, right? Yeah. 2003. Yeah.

they found there was a before they acknowledged it was there there was a submarine and in front of the submarine they got this whole sonar housing which is like this big bulbous rubber thing probably about that wide and the submarine comes back after something bumped into it and there were these sucker marks on the rubber of this housing and they still didn't believe it it was like yeah you know

Is there a conspiracy theory that has been debunked? Is it like the giant squid or anything? Well, there have been UFO fakers. Yeah. Throughout history? Yeah. Well, I'm just saying to wrap your head around a conspiracy theory that has actually turned out to be true.

What has turned out to be, you know what? Totally false. Yeah, they were. No, no, that was true. Something that you always heard is like, no, don't be a crazy person. That's crazy to think that. Well, that's what they said about the gorillas. Yeah. The Highland gorillas. There were stories of these monkey people that lived up in the jungles and the highlands. And people weren't bullet buying that until they finally, hey, look, here's a picture of

They exist. There does seem to be a built-in conservatism about just buying wild stories about stuff. It was probably healthy. Yeah.

Well, it's a lot. I mean, I think some of it goes into no matter what anybody does, as far as high level your job can be, everybody's still a person. So everybody can still be, you know, you could be, they can have the time. I think with the mayor saying the Arizona lights, the Phoenix lights, her saying made fun of is not true. Cause she could be like, I don't want 5,000 emails and letters. If I say I saw it too, that's weird.

I don't want to deal with... If you really look at what she said, he... If you look at what he says, he could just be like, do I want to open this door and I have to answer all... And now I've got to address it. Now it's a whole thing. And I'm not... She's not solving it. It's not her job. She's got to... He's running a town. So he just goes, I'll just make a joke about it and move on. And then he does and he moves on. And then...

There was one council lady. I think maybe you're thinking the lady was on the- I'm thinking of nothing. I was going off. I thought you said she earlier. This city council lady, she was advocating for disclosure in Phoenix because all these people were coming to her and saying, hey, I saw this thing. How come we're not talking about it? And she was really going to bat. So she was really ticked off at the mayor, even like when he talked about it later. Yeah. How come you made all us look stupid? Yeah.

Yeah. But he came on record. I saw it too. Yeah. I looked up some conspiracy theories that have been proven. Nothing great. Here's one government. Mike, the CIA was testing LSD on Americans. And who could believe that? And this is the program was known as MK ultra and it was real.

So they were, LSD was getting passed out or when they were selling it. On unsuspecting people. Yeah. It was like they go to a hotel because they were going to a tractor convention or something and they dose them to see what would happen. Really? Yeah. Well, that's like the soldiers. There's a few more on here. The first lady who ran the United States. I mean, I haven't even heard about this, but apparently Woodrow Wilson's wife was doing some things while he had a stroke. Yeah.

There's, there's a, Oh wow. And then, uh, what's the number one? Um, project sense, the horror of project sunset laughing at conspiracy theories is it's a good time as we hear it. Nate land say, uh, at least until they turn out to be true. They take the conspiracy surrounding the project sunshine, sunshine in the wake of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That looks like, is that what's the name of that town? Nagasaki. Nagasaki. Yeah. That's kind of close.

It was one of those atomic bombs. It had a much greater yield than they calculated. Yeah, the conspiracy was the government was stealing dead bodies to do radioactive testing.

The government was stealing parts of dead bodies because they needed young tissue. They recruited a worldwide network of agents to find recently deceased babies and children and then take samples and even limbs. Each collected with notification or permission of the more than 1,500 grieving families. Each collected without. Without, yeah. I wish I didn't know that. That's a big word to miss. So you would hear this.

Someone's going, you know, the U.S., we were stealing dead bodies without telling anybody. And you'd be like, well, that's insane. That's what you'd be like, that's insane. And then they go, no, it was happening. Yeah, there's one you mentioned on here when we talked about three identical strangers, that program where they were taking children away.

Oh, yeah. Separating them to do studies on them? Yes. Crazy. And you said, if someone said that. You do not have enough scientific knowledge. We learned that from the Nazis. Yeah. You have to go any distance to get information. Yeah.

scientific information if you got to depressurize people until they blow up ethics out the window yeah who cares the ends justifies the means and while we're at it let's take all those nazi scientists and bring them out to los alamos yeah yeah and cut them i don't know

We took a turn at the end. Are we trying to wind down? I don't know. I mean, yeah, I think so. I think one of those secret manners will be coming to pick you up. We could be here until 4 a.m. I would imagine that these conversations can go unfair. No. Yeah, we didn't wind down. It's, yeah, I mean, is there any other, did you have any other last questions? Have we answered all the questions? I think we did. And we talked about a lot. I mean, again, it's so much to talk about and the theories and

that you you know i don't know i mean it's it's so crazy uh where was bigfoot most cited one third of all claims bigfoot sightings are located oh you said the pacific northwest i think i guess that i don't know yeah i mean every yeah every any any in a metropolitan city by any chance is there any random like how close do they get yeah

Like a dumb one? Seems like Seattle would be good. I've heard more about Dogman sneaking into communities than Bigfoot. Yeah. Dogman's a lot. Like you said, I do agree that it's a lot to take in. But, man, Dogman seems... I gotta get fully on board with Bigfoot before I venture into Dogman. Don't hold back. It's a rich cornucopia of cryptids. Don't be weird, Aaron.

Aaron, you're so weird. You don't believe in dog movies. Buzzkill. What's the matter with you? You're being ridiculous. I'm sorry. My favorite thing that Kramer always says to Seinfeld, he goes, what's the matter with you? Come on. It's always something stupid to me. What's the matter with you? Of course he believes in Bigfoot. Aaron, what's the matter? He believes in... Go ahead. The question of belief. I want to believe. I want to believe in aliens because it shows that some...

civilization didn't blow themselves up and were able to get out in space and have some fun. Is that a hopeful thing? Yeah. So there should be other civilian stations that the planets blew themselves up. Yes. Is that what they think? Did you say civilian stations? Yeah, civilian. I got a broken word up in there. It's one big happy civilian station.

I mean... Are you trying to say civilization? Yeah. Okay. It blew me away. I was like, civilian station. And you want people to take that seriously. You all right? I'm all right.

How are they going to take us seriously? I mean, I don't know. I don't think they're... Oh, boy. Maybe they... But I hope something is called civilian station. That's what Earth is called. We are a station for civilians. Yeah, that's a good point. Drop off point. I think I'm ahead of the game. I feel like an alien talking to dumb humans a lot. Because

Because people make fun of what I say, and I'm like, and I always just go, you'll see. You're going to one day use this civilian station. A lot of weeks in the comments, the next week someone will say, Nate was actually right. He's ahead of his time somehow. There's no such thing as civilization. It's a conspiracy. Has there been other civilizations? Sniveling nations.

Is there been other civilian stations? I don't think that's a crazy question. Critical comedy reaction. It's a meltdown. In all seriousness, though, there's been other civilian stations. That's what we're going to call other planets. Whereas civilians have lived, is what they say, and they're gone. I would think they're gone. The argument is the reason we've never found in all our vast searching history

I'm sorry. Success. Now we're just having to see some life out of you. That's so funny. The argument is, in all our searching of all the cosmos, one argument is maybe because they've long since destroyed themselves. And they advance like we do with nuclear weapons or some sort, and then they eventually just kill themselves. And so they, all right. Okay.

Aaron's done. Civilian Station. That's what we're going to call this episode. Don't you think that's a good... That's how to describe Earth? Nobody's ever made that mistake before. A dribbling vacation. Civilization...

I just kind of stopped. It was like... Stop saying it! He was at the breaking point and that was just the shove he needed. It was like I was walking down a road and I looked the other way. And then I go, where was I? But I was still in the same word when all that happened. It gets better and better. Wait until you're 60. Things come out of your mouth. You don't even know. It's not my fault. Okay.

I was raised, I was taught by humans. All right. All right. He brought some cookies for us. Yes. Oh, you did? I never knew what these are. Thank you. I don't know what you like, so I got... So you got the same kind.

I was going to call Abigail and say, hey, what? I get it. These are different. Mint chocolate, raspberry chocolate, Milano. We'll do the Milano challenge. I was on it. Milano. Here at Milano. You've never had those? I have. They're great. My mom eats them. Yeah. No, my wife eats them. My wife loves these.

They're a very social thing to lay out a plate of those things. Are you saying that I should have laid out cookies? I feel like that's where you're coming at it. We didn't have enough for you here. You always said it for a while. It's a very nice, clean environment. I honestly didn't know why those were sitting there and I was just letting them sit there. I'm getting a little money. They said I'd get some money if I just brought that to the show. If you Pepperidge Farms says, hey, we hear you're going on the hot new Nate Land podcast.

And it's got, yeah. Well, thank you. This is very fun. Enjoy. All right. This has been a lot of fun. You're great, man. Thank you. Yeah. Do aliens eat? Are we winding this back up again? No. I just want to know how fast. Do they eat? We got to go. I don't think the cloney guys, the little greys. They don't have to eat. I heard a theory. Here's another one.

Because they're out in space, they don't have toilets, they don't have food storage, they don't need all that. They put them in this container and they blast them with high intensity light. And they're like synthetic creatures anyway. And it charges up all their synthetic cells and they're good to go. They don't need sleep or anything? Like they would not need anything? It's like a phone. Like they get charged up. Like a phone, yeah.

I would be on board with that much money. I'm sorry, dude. He's still stuck on civilian station. Do you want to see if we can get him to the hospital? Yeah. I'll be all right. Man killed by comedy. Can comedy kill?

i think i'm good i get it dude it's never gonna be the same it hits you at different uh places yeah dude i was hoping for this civilian station a docking point so you charge aliens by all right we gotta go uh

All right, Kevin, thank you, buddy. Yeah, thank you. It was good to meet you. This has been as good as I hoped for. Yeah, so I hope it's all you wanted for it. No one will overhear this, but we enjoyed having you. Thank you very much. All right. Now, it's enough. You got to sit down. That's good enough. All right, everybody. Thank you guys very much, and we will see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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