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Aaron Weber here running the ship today with Brian Bates by my side and across the table in Nate's seat is our old friend Mike Vecchione. Mike, how you doing? Thank you guys for having me. Absolutely. Thank you for eliminating Nate in order to get me in. That's the only way we could get you in. We saw your list of demands. You said I'm not coming back with Nate. Well, more than that, we also had to get rid of Dusty.

Yeah. That's right. Well, I think Dusty's gone for good now, right? Yeah. He's gone for good. Is he? Yeah. We had some irreconcilable differences. Yeah. Some creative differences. Okay. That we won't talk about on this episode. Right. He's gone. I wish him good luck in his career. Wish him good luck with his family. But I will never talk to Dusty. Yeah. I don't even wish that. I don't even wish that on him. I deleted his number from my phone. Yeah. So. Wow. Yeah.

That's a joke. Some people think it's real folk mafia war that's happening. It's the first time that two members of the band are here, I believe. I know. Do you feel the weight on your shoulders to carry this episode, Brian? This is your moment. This is Tom Brady getting called in after Lou Fletzo gets hurt. That's it. You could become the GOAT after this episode. That's what it takes. I mean, I thought I already was, but...

You thought that? Well, it's good to be here, Mike. I think this is Mike's first time on the episode since the special came out. Is that correct? Yeah. No, I was on another one plugging the special. Oh, right. I came to plug the special. Well, this is the first episode post plug. Post plug. Yeah. So if you haven't seen it yet, first of all, get out from under the rock you've been living in. Yes. Check out the attractives.

On the Nate Land YouTube page. 1.4 million views, man. 1.4 million. Yeah, we're doing good. We're doing really good. That's amazing, man. So thank you guys for watching. And please continue to watch and share. That's the good thing about YouTube. Yeah, Joe Zimmerman's came out this week. 1.5 million.

Two days ago. I've got Zimmerman. Zimmerman just comes in with all his bird-watching jokes and just blows us out of the water. It's not fair. Well, you were always the first. I was the first. If Nate Land becomes like Disney, you'll be the very first. I'll be the guy in the documentary. Yeah.

Recalling everything. I'll blow everybody's spot up, as they say today. I'm trying to use hip terms. I'll blow up everybody's spot, and I'll just say all the things that were happening behind the scenes. You'll be like Jordan, though, when he went with Nike.

Nike was nothing. Yeah. And, and Jordan was the greatest, but you're like, I'm going to take a chance on this kid. Like you did with Nate. Yeah. I like how everything's a documentary now. It's like, it's like Jordan took a chance on a brand. It's like, is that a story? It's not even a doc. Yeah. That's the movie. Yeah. Air. It's just crazy. It's crazy. How everything is everything a documentary now is a tweet, a documentary. What would you rather it be? Everything be a book.

No, not everything has to be something. How about that? Well, I didn't say it was anything. God forbid people want to tell this story. No, Bates, you went pretty hard at it. I'm sorry. I want to turn this from a nice hill folk kicking back, straw in the mouth type of podcast to confrontation. No, Bates, you said it. What did you mean?

Mike had a podcast. It recently ended. It recently ended. I ended, you know. What happened? Did you end on good terms or was it? I ended. It was forced out. It was too controversial. I was the only person. I was the only person. It was a podcast suicide. I was the only person on it. So I ended it right in front of everybody. And no, yeah, I just, it wasn't doing well enough. Yeah.

As a shame that I have to admit that. It was fun. I enjoyed doing it. But it wasn't doing well enough with the numbers. Give me some hard numbers. The hard numbers were... When I went under 1,000 YouTube views, it was like, okay, who am I even doing this for besides the people in the booth at this point? But it was a good idea for a show. It was an investigative show. But I don't know. I...

The people didn't want it, so I have to figure something else out. Well, I listened. Yeah. Thank you. You're one of those thousands. Sometimes things are just ahead of their time. It was more on the back end. It was more than 1,000. It was just 1,000 on YouTube. That's the ones that I could see. Right. But I got the numbers every month, but it just wasn't enough. It's not enough to grow. We're all on the road trying to sell tickets. Right. It wasn't enough money.

To justify you. Yeah, to justify selling tickets. At some point, and everybody's got their Achilles heel, and mine is just not quitting anything and just keep going at it and just keep coming, keep coming, keep coming. And it's like, that's not the way, as I've learned by reading books and documentaries, that's not the way successful people function. It's like, no, you don't do that. You stop and you pivot and you go in another direction. You don't just keep going.

I locked myself out of my apartment when I was in Philly years ago, and I got frustrated. So I just ran into the door. I just kept running into the door until my head was bloody. Instead of looking for a window. So that's the mentality that we're dealing with, but I'm trying to change. You're trying to pivot. I'm trying to pivot into something more successful and not just keep running into the locked door. Trying to find the window. Yeah. God opens doors.

One door closes, another door opens. Another one with windows involved. A window also opens. Should we hop into these comments, Brian? Well, I was going to say, so we were just, this comes out next week, so you were just in Huntsville, I believe. Yes. Sold every show out. Sold it all out. Loved it. I love the South.

And I chose to drive. I flew into Nashville, drove to Huntsville. That's the way to do it. It's a beautiful drive. Yeah. Nashville to Huntsville. Yeah. It really is nice. What's the highlight? The rocket that just got dismantled? They took down that rocket? Yeah. Oh, then yeah, you should have flown. Yeah. Why did they take that rocket now? I don't even know. But I just saw on the news where they took it down like last week. Yeah. Did you know? I know your entire thing. It's a space. Huntsville's a space. Yeah. I know you love trash and...

where we're from and our families and everything. No, I love it. We have science down here. Yes. You guys don't actually believe in it, but you have it. The people at this table do.

This is the science episode. But one of the sort of the landmarks making that drive down the Huntsville is at a rest stop. As soon as you enter Alabama, there is a replica of a Saturn five rocket. Wow. And I don't think it's actual the actual size of one. I think it's a little bit smaller. Somebody told me, but it's huge. And you just see it. You're like, I'm driving through rural Alabama. Yeah. Shacks.

on the side of the road. I love that. And then a rocket. Well, now you're being a little derogatory toward the south. Well, don't you love the contrast? You think shack is a derogatory term? I think it's someone living in a shack. Yeah, I do. That beats living in your car. That's true. Yeah. You know what I mean? I didn't call them shanties. They're brick homes. Oh, yeah. Sorry. You drive past some manors on the side of the road and then you'll see...

A NASA rocket. Well, that's a shame they took that down. Yeah, I don't know why, but they took it down. So you missed that. That's why you don't even know about it. Why did they take down the NASA rocket? Yeah, I don't. No one knows. Aaron's going to get the ball rolling. It's a mystery. I haven't made that drive in a while, to be honest with you. Wow. It's time to go. Too good for Huntsman.

It's time for it to go, the tourism director says. Yeah. It has greeted people arriving to Alabama from Tennessee on I-65 for more than four decades. Wow. The state's tourism director, the fact that it's been up there for so many years is pretty amazing, he says, but he's taking it down. He said it's starting to fall apart.

They've gotten complaints for years about it. But that's another example of not to keep doing the same thing, but to pivot a little bit in order to be successful. Pivot away from space, away from NASA. Let's put something else up. What do you think would embody the state of Alabama? What should we erect at a rest stop in Alabama to let people know, hey, you're here? Two cousins. Or just friends. Yeah.

I'm trying to think all things Alabama. I was going to say like a Nick Saban statue. Yeah. Roll Tide. Yeah. To take it down, clean it up, and put it back up, it's a million dollars. Oh, my God. That's a lot of money. You got to take that thing down. Especially in Alabama, that's a lot of money.

Cost of living is very low in Alabama. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't know the numbers, but I did just call their house a shacks. And I'm sorry about that. You're from Alabama. You're from there. But I'm saying that particular stretch where you're approaching the rocket, you look out to the right and you think, that's what I think of when I think of Alabama. You know, the caricature of the South. There's a little bit of that leading up to that rocket. If you live in Giles County, Florida,

the Pulaski area. Just know that was Aaron saying that. Oh, Aaron, you're from Alabama. I grew up there. Okay. Well, I was in, uh, that's your pride and joy then. It is. I'm proud of Alabama. I'm proud of what we've done. Okay. So you can call them shacks if you want to. That's your, that's your family. That's your people. They're my people. Yeah, for sure. So I can say whatever I want about them. Yeah. But you've been gone for 20 years.

No, not quite 20. I've been gone. I've almost lived here as long as I've lived in Alabama. So there's a cutoff where you know. There is a certain point where, yeah, I think I say I'm from Tennessee now. I'm not from Alabama anymore. I bet you do say you're from Tennessee. Depends on who I'm talking to. Tennessee does sound a little better in some parts. But Brian, it seems like you're trying to get the hill folk angry.

I'm trying to defend them. Yeah. Okay. But, um, I was in Jasper, Indiana this weekend. Okay. Doing the theater there. Yep. How'd that go? Sold it out. Sold it out. Standing ovation. Awesome. Uh, did four hours, four hours. They wanted more, but like, sorry guys. You said, sorry guys, I gotta go. They need to close down the building. And you played for, uh, let's see who you got here.

And you lost a fly ball, apparently, because you didn't put your glasses on in the sun. Who is that? This is the San Antonio Missions. Oh. Yeah. They're a Padres affiliate in San Antonio. A semi-pro? Well, no, they're professional. They're minor league. Oh, minor league professional, like a triple A. I'm not Catholic, but before you become a Padre, you have to go do mission work?

No. Boom. That's pretty good. Padre does mean father. That's pretty good. I was with Kathleen Madigan this weekend. Wow. Did some shows. Eau Claire, Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, Chicago, Illinois. How'd they go? I got a standing O. I did four hours opening for Kathleen. She was pretty upset about it. What's the longest set you've ever done, Mike?

I think on my special, I did like 80 minutes or something. And it was edited down. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure I had, you know, I was always of the opinion, like shoot long and then edit it down, which actually in retrospect is a mistake. It's like, because if you have the concise bits, the way that you want them and you just execute them the right way, it saves you a lot of time editing. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Instead of just like, oh, let me just shoot everything and then cut it down and post, you know?

Yeah, but you didn't have to do the editing. No, I did have to do the editing. You did? Yeah. You have to do it because you can't rely on someone else doing it because then you will be like, yeah, that's not right. Yeah. Well, you were given the notes for editing. You weren't dragging the mouse. I have my friend help me and we went through the special four times. So we had to go through it and then sent the notes. And they did the actual editing, but you have to make the calls on the – Right. Right.

what stays in yeah what stays in and what goes out and where to cut what and the time codes basically yeah what about you brian you don't 30 it's your life tight 25 it's a big milestone man 25 um you do it when you do headlining it's called you're doing an hour about an hour it depends on who's opening for me yeah um you

You know, if some of these clubs will do guest spots, you know, is the first 10 minutes you chastising the opener in front of you don't do that on my show. You understand me? Get out. You make it nice and awkward. All right, guys, who's here for some fun?

Yeah, you go, well, now I got to do an hour because this guy couldn't do his time. Couldn't do 25. I usually do 50. Yeah. But sometimes I do do an hour. I think the most I've ever done was on those broken record shows in Nashville. Yeah. And I maybe did like an hour 20. Oh, man. And that was when I did not have. What was that? Like 4 a.m., 5 a.m.? I don't remember what time it was, but. We did a 10-day continuous show in Nashville. Yeah.

Oh, wow. 24 hours a day for 10 days. We did something like that at the comic strip years ago. We went for the Guinness. The Guinness people were there. Yeah, yeah. And it was a nonstop show. How long was it? Do you remember? I can't just accept your story and go, that was amazing. I had to counter it with my own thing. Actually, we did that. We did that, but better. That's okay. We did a bigger version of that in New York. Well, New York, you guys don't have much comedy-wise, so you have to...

throw out a world record it's all we think we have yeah we did a world record and um yeah so it was a i don't know if it was i don't know if it was 10 i can't i actually can't remember how long it was but it was a continuous show the nashville broke the record at the time and then we broke it ourselves a few times i think yeah yeah yeah chad riding and those guys got that set up so that was fun yeah but you would do these long sets right middle of the night

Or like 10 a.m. Were there people in the crowd? There had to be at least 10 in the crowd for Guinness to recognize it. Oh, wow. So 10 people had to be in the audience. Yeah, we did it legal. It sounds like you just... So Brian didn't know how to handle that size audience. 10 people overwhelmed. It's like 10 people. Oh, let's stretch out a little bit. About to get loose up here.

I like it if there was nine people in the crowd at one time and then the thing is not valid. So the one guy goes outside and just puts a bee on his chin to try to do a new record. Yeah.

Of all the beard of bees. What? Oh. Isn't that a world record also? I remember I used to have the old Guinness book. Yeah, he's just like, I'm just going to pivot. Yeah, I'm going to pivot and start a new thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we failed with the comedy thing. Right. You know, and now I'm going to do the beard of bees. Yeah. This man had bees on his face for longer than anyone else on record.

That seems like an Alabama thing. Maybe they should replace the rocket with the bearded bees guy. How much do you want to bet he's from Alabama? He's Toronto, Canada. You want to put money? Thank you very much. Oh, man. Canada. You guys should have bet me. The opposite. God, I'm a degenerate gambler. I'll bet on anything. Are you gambling a lot? No, I'm putting the money on everything. DraftKings. I wouldn't even bet on football. I'll just bet on stuff like this, like crazy facts that are easily checked. You bet. Okay.

I'll go, Bearded Bees, guys, is from Alabama. You're like, isn't Killer Bees the comic? Isn't he from Alabama? He's from Alabama. Ah, I knew something was there. I knew it was. I was close. You're right.

You're right. What were we talking about? I don't even know. I don't know. World Records. We were talking about World Records. Longest set. Yeah. Yeah. Longest one-person set. Didn't Dane Cook have it at one point? Yeah. Dane Cook did, yeah. 10 hours? Right. Something like that. I think Aaron Burks set the record for most sets in a night, right? I think he did a documentary on that, yeah. It was like 50. Why does everything have to be a documentary? Just answer the question, Mike. You put it back on me. I like that. I like that. He's your friend, right? God.

He is my friend. I like Aaron. Okay. But you guys, I like the way- But you're like, go watch the documentary. No, I like the contentious nature of this now. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Usually when I'm on here, it's just a very freewheeling. But I like the attack mode that you guys are in. Well, Nate's gone. We can be ourselves a little bit. Yeah. I got to tell you, somebody DM me and they counted how many times I stacked my papers during an episode. Wow. And they said they're going to do that from now on until I stop doing it. And I think I've already done it four or five times this episode. Your dad doesn't just call you?

He DMs me trash talking. I'm sorry. You're from Alabama. You don't have a dad. Jokes. Come on. Come on. These are jokes.

Well, let's get into these comments here. Do you have a dad? I do have a dad. Okay, good. So it wasn't, it's not like. Not anymore. He died, but I am. I'm just kidding. Beer to bees. Try to set the record. His dad died of a bee sting. We've got an unbelievable collection of comments here that we're going to read through compiled and read by Brian Bates. Oh, okay.

Okay. No, no, no. A guy who doesn't stack his papers. I'll read them if you want me to, but I'm saying you're the one that put this list together. Yeah, everyone likes to point that out now that everyone's turning on me on the comments. I don't think we're turning on you. Hey, two turns on you. Last week, everyone was turning on me. I got your back, dude. Well, we recorded yesterday. Yeah. You were downstairs. You could have. Yeah, I would have come up here. Yeah. I would have come up here and added to it if I was invited. But I was downstairs and holding. That's what they call downstairs. I know.

Yeah, so I'll put these together and see how they go. These comments come from Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, reviews. And if you're old-fashioned and you want to send one via email, via, via?

Via via Nate land at Nate bar gets e.com. First comment comes from Justin Anderson. I've done it. I've done it 12 times already. That's okay. Don't let these guys get in your head, you know, but doesn't this feel there's it does feel good. Yeah. Tell him you're going to do it more now that he pointed it out. Now you're going to keep him busy since obviously he doesn't have a job. Right. Yeah, exactly.

Justin Anderson. I am 44 and about a year into comedy, so I'm on the Brian Bates plan. I love this already. Who is this punk going after you, Bates? Justin Anderson. What advice would you give someone who wants to change careers into comedy in middle age? Look at this. Low expectations. Lower the bar in your head.

Yeah, I think that helps. Now, when did you start? How old were you, Brian? I was 35 when I first started. Oh, so this guy's ancient compared to when you started. I was 43 when I quit my day job. Wow. Did you start the normal- I started at 28. So that's late for comedy. Yes, I did. That is late. Started late because I was already a teacher. And you're 50?

I'm 50 now. Yeah. You're like, I'm 50 now. Yeah. I have a breathing problem. That's what happens when you're 50. Well, you automatically have asthma. Or if you're 30 and overweight like me. I don't know.

I don't know. I guess I would just say, enjoy the ride. When did everybody start? You started at 35. I started at 28. 23. Oh, wow. You started young. Yeah. Okay. The right age. Yeah, you started. Well, but the right age for it to develop the skill set. True. But it's like, you really have nothing to talk about when you're that young. You know what I mean? Like you have more to talk about when you're older. I feel like I still don't. And some, well, it doesn't seem to matter now. Anybody could talk about anything. Just put it on Tik TOK and you're a genius, I guess. Yeah.

Sorry. Bitterness. That happens when you're in comedy for 23 years. Get ready to think that about a lot of things, Justin. Justin, you're going to complain about TikTok a bunch. But you know, Justin, I mean, Leigh-Anne Morgan was in her mid-50s when she blew up. Now she's selling out theaters. Yeah, you never know. I mean, music, it does seem like there is a plateau where you're not going to probably make it.

I don't know why it's not something fair, but don't, when you agree, whereas in comedy, you could make it, you could, or comedians aren't. Making it is a, is a relative term. Well, that's true. So,

So, yeah, but it depends on this guy's life situation. It's like, that's what I always think about. It's like, do you have a wife and kids? You have people depending on you for an income. That also matters a great deal. Because if you have people depending on you for an income, you're not going to want to quit your job. Right. You know, your kids are starving, but you're out living your dream. Yeah, I quit my job at 43. I was single. I'm like, if I starve, I'm only hurting myself. Yes. Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

So, I mean, you just, we all kind of do this on a sliding scale. It's like you, you have a, at least a part-time job to make your bills and you do this when you can do it until you can make some money and that, and then it flips and you do it more and more and more and more until eventually you make the money that you would make if you had a day job. Yeah. I mean, it's just logical. That's if you're in your 44, I'm assuming that you have people depending on you.

I don't know. He's using the Brian Bates plan. So if he takes that literal, maybe not. Maybe he's single. He'll get married in six years. Yeah, then you could do whatever you want. But I assume that you're an incel and that you hate the government. You're doing anti-government hate comedy.

I think the difference is comedians are not sex symbols in the way that musicians are. Right. Right? Speak for yourself. You can't. But I'll give some practical advice. Justin, you're a year into comedy. You already know this. You're going to be the old guy at these open mics and stuff. Yeah. Which I am now. I'm at open mics and stuff around Nashville, and I look around on them. Yeah. I'm one of the oldest dudes here. Yeah. At 31. So...

I just, that's gotta be tough. Yeah. It was hard when I first started, I'm in my mid to late thirties and all the guys are like 22 and stuff like that. But, um,

You just got to get through that. Aaron, what you should do is when you're the oldest guy at the open mic, I want to start doing this. I would stop focusing on my own career. You obviously have a good career, but I would stop focusing on my own career and I would look at people who are emerging and have something, not necessarily the most talented, but just have one thing that stands out because that's going to matter more. And I would do a, wouldn't adopt them, but I'd do a conservatorship.

with them and control all of their finances. Blindside them. That's it. Blindside all of them and then have like all of these kids under conservatorship. And then if anybody pops, you benefit. Tanner Newcomb, just take him on your ride. Become an incubator for these young comedians. Yes.

And then I get 10 to 20% of their potential earnings. That's one way to do it. Justin, that's one way to do it at 44. That's the way I would do it. Conservative ships around the board. Right. We wish you luck, man. Hope to see you out there in the comedy world. It's a pretty small world. We probably will cross paths. If you stick around, I'm going to meet you at some point. Next comment is from Val Lundgren.

LeFevre. Yeah, I think so. LeFevre? I would say yes. That sounds like a fake name. It does. It sounds like from an Adam Sandler movie.

That's what a vowel of flavor. Is that a Rob Schneider character? Who is this? Wondering if you ever get homesick when you're on the comedy road. Seems like you all often travel with a friend and even sometimes Nate will mention that his family is along with him. Does traveling with friends and or family help you to avoid feeling homesick?

You generally take a friend with you on the road. I try to bring a friend when I can, and that just makes everything better. Yeah, I don't. I like to be alone. Do you really? Really? You like to be alone? Well, now you've got a young baby. You've got a wife. Yeah. But do you bring the baby to open? Just put her in.

he does 15 it's like it's just mostly crying and going to the bathroom but you're like no that's his he has the freedom to express himself that's his act it's a she thank you very much women can't do comedy no I think gender is wrong to mention

They, the baby, they will, the baby is actually an artist. The baby actually sells more tickets than all of us combined. But the baby, like you'd be like, the baby's opening. They're like, the baby is here. And it's just your baby crying. Yeah.

And then Brian has to do an hour and 20 minutes for a baby crowd. And then afterwards, like I had to go clean up your mess, literally and figuratively. I think that's pretty awesome. Do you like taking friends on the road?

Yes, I'll take people because I don't have a car in New York. So I need to get places. But instead of like renting a car, which I could do, I always ask whatever whoever booked me if it's within driving distance, like, let me bring an opener or bring the show so that I can hook people up with work.

Sounds like, but you're hooking yourself up with a car. Hooking myself up with a car. Yeah, Bates. Thanks for cutting to it. But also, I need the car, but then I want to get people who have a car who want work. I want them also to work. Yeah. You know?

So, and also, uh, so just, if you live in New York city, get a car. It's important. Well, no, it's parking is insane in Manhattan, but, um, Oh, you mean to open for me? Yeah. Yeah. Um, yes. If you're like Justin Anderson and you're 44 and you're a year into comedy, um, Val, she says the comedy, the comedy road. First of all, Val, we don't call it the comedy road. It's just the road.

Do we ever get homesick? What are we, children, Val? No, we don't get homesick. We make money and we party. I love those trash every comment. You start off by saying, that's a well-written comment. Hey, Val, can I get a second with you? What the heck is this? The comedy road? Val, do yourself a favor. Stop it with the nonsense, Val. Tough love.

And all the comments. It's the best bringing people on the road. Is it a wonder that my podcast shut down? That's what your podcast was? My podcast closed. It was just me screaming at the fans. No one likes that, actually. Everybody actually hates that. You named them person by person, just calling them stupid. Yeah, I like to sit in a dark room and stare at the wall. Do you actually?

No, I mean, not that literal, but I do like some alone time. You like real alone time? You like to go on a walk alone? Mm-hmm. Just around the hotel parking lot? I mean, I told you the one time. You go to the mall. I usually just, you and I co-headline Wise Guys together. Mm-hmm.

Less than a year later, I was back there. I was at the same hotel. Everything was the same, except you weren't there. And I missed you. Yeah. Because it felt like, where's my buddy Aaron? Yeah, yeah. But generally, if I go to some new place, I meet new comics. I just like that. Get to know new people. Yeah, yeah. New experience. So what's it... Okay, the Friday or Thursday is the travel day, so we won't count that. Yeah. But then the next day, let's say you don't have any radio in the morning to plug the shows. Right. Which is also something we do on the comedy road, though. But...

It's just like a Saturday. You have two shows. You get up and do what? I sleep late. Okay. What is late for you? Because of the baby. With a young baby. What's sleeping late for you? Late for me is noon. Aaron, you said a young baby. With a young, tiny baby. A tiny little guy? I would be the one person having an old baby. Just somehow.

That's offensive. He gets a Benjamin Buttons. The baby is aging in reverse. Gary Coleman? What do you mean? Like an old kid? I don't know. Somehow I would have an old baby. No, not noon, but I might sleep till 10-ish and then lay in the bed for an hour looking at my phone. Okay. Yeah. And that feels like indulgent for you. Yeah. To lay... Just nice and quiet. Nobody...

doing anything, whatever. That's a strip club to us. Sleeping until 10. No, just like looking on your phone. Aaron's like, that's my strip club right there. Go ahead. So you look at your phone, then what? Now that it's football season, I might, I mean, I would turn on the TV and look up. You don't even get out of bed. No. Oh, wow. Just sit there and watch football. Wow. Well, I mean,

I might go down, get some breakfast, eat or whatever, come back up, watch some football. I mean, it depends on what city I'm in and where we're at. Oh, that is a good feeling. You catch the end of a continental breakfast, bring a plate up to the hotel room. Yeah, that's a good time. Yeah. There's some time for college game day to start. Yeah. Maybe not start, but at least see the picks. But if you're on the West Coast, football games start at like 9 a.m. Right, right. This is an all-day affair. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But you raise a great point, man. Catching the end of a continental breakfast is like a win-win.

That's a big win on the comedy road. Because they're about to throw all this food away. Right.

And the food was never It's been out for six hours It was never really It was never good in the first place Right But you're making a great point It's been out for six hours They're about to throw it in the trash Yeah I'll eat it You save it Yeah Get that blueberry muffin You bring it back to the room You watch three, four hours of football Then what? Take a nap I know You take a nap Okay I mean, I don't know No, no, no This is great I'm not judging it This is a Saturday Yeah, this is Saturday Okay, okay Yeah, we didn't even cover Friday Yeah Well, it's a

One of them is a travel day, so it's muddled. It's not a full day. But this is just full day, hotel, and then show. So you take a nap, you wake up, and then what? It's got to be getting pretty close to showtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch a little bit more football. Squeeze another nap in? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

It depends. Again, it depends on what city I'm in. I mean, this Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. No, it would have been last week, I guess. I'll be in Pensacola Beach, Florida. Lee and Morgan. So I'll go down to the beach. Yeah. Hang out down there. When I was in San Diego, I went to the San Diego Zoo. It was my first time in San Diego. I just went there, too. Yeah. I just was there. It's a good zoo, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's $70 cover. So I hope it's a good. Is it really? That's the cover charge for the zoo. And you really are treating it like a strip club. That's the cover charge for the ticket.

I have the admission ticket to get in. I call it a cover because it's so expensive. Val, it's called cover charge in the comedy world. You go to the San Diego Zoo. I said, fortunately, somebody from the show worked for the zoo and gave us tickets. So we didn't pay the 70. But the 70, I was saying at the at the shows, I was saying, what's $70 American comedy company? Great club.

If I pay $70 to go to a zoo, I want an armadillo parking my car. I want to have lunch with a cheetah. And I want to have a full lunch, not just him stopping by the table to say hi. And...

I pointed out on the website when they're advertising $70, there's a lot of animals that are no longer there that they don't mention on that website. The pandas, gone. The pandas are gone? Yeah, I think they went back to China. But on the website, when you're buying your tickets online, they don't mention that. There's a lot of cages that are under construction. Pandas are a big draw, I bet. Yes. But it was still fun. It was great. It was great. And some of the animals are not like...

Did you take the bus tour? No, I did just the walking. Okay, so we took the bus tour and some of the animals are like...

you know, inside resting, sleeping. They're all doing that. But for $70, wake them up. Yeah. I mean, wake them up and get them dancing, get them moving, get some blood. I'm not saying they have to, it doesn't have to be a complete circus, but it's gotta be like, I want to see him doing something. Yeah. Yeah. For 70. They're all sleeping. And then also I went to a little Italy in San Diego. Have you ever, did you go to that? No. How did it, because you're a little Italy in New York. Because what? Because.

Because you don't like Italian space? I mean, I didn't know about it, but yes. Two reasons. Thank God I didn't know about it. I wouldn't have come to San Diego to begin with. This is the great one where it's like, how come you didn't go see the Italians in San Diego? And then you go, all right, yeah, I did go to the zoo. That would have been a slam on the... That would have been good. I'll use that later in the podcast. Jimmy Miller.

Being in a town full of songwriters. He's talking about Nashville, not New York City.

Being in a town full of songwriters that often get together and collaborate and write songs together, I was curious if any of you do the same when it comes to comedy. My guess would be that you don't write with other comics, but I was curious if you ever brainstorm with other creative people or friends when working on new material. Whatever you guys are doing obviously is working well. That's nice. Just curious about your process.

This is great. This is great, actually. I'm sorry. You said Brian and my name's not Brian, but I'm going to. Well, Val's comment was great. I started and you dissected it sentence by sentence. Why don't you take a few minutes? Think about how you're going to destroy this comment. Val, first of all, we love you, Val. And I'm saying that because I'm on the comedy road right now. And so thank you, Val. Val, we love you.

And Jimmy brings up a really good point because we do, I don't know what you guys do, but sometimes we'll call people and you'll just bounce bits off of each other. And it'll be kind of an unstructured thing. It's like, I got this thing I'm working on and then you'll talk it out. And it really, really does help to talk it out and then get somebody else's input.

who hasn't been mulling over it and thinking about it, then you do the same for them. And you go back and forth. And it's really a fun process because you get to laugh and you get to connect to a friend, but you also are working on bits kind of informally most of the time. Yeah, I don't really do that. No? No, I don't like to get together and write literally. But...

Yeah. Bouncing stuff off that you're already kind of formulated. Yeah. We did that show recently with Alex Ludo and Johnny W. Yeah. And the next day, or maybe a couple of days later, we're going to be doing a show called

we went to lunch and we'd all tried new bits that night. So we all heard it. Yeah. And then we worked on some tags or stuff like that. But, uh, I'm not the type that would sit down. It was like, guys, I want to write something about a piano. You got any thoughts on that? But what if you already have something about a piano? Yeah. Then maybe it's like, Oh, this part's not working. Yeah. Or it's like, what is there another angle here?

Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. Who do you bounce off? You got certain guys? Um, I don't know. It just depends. But, um,

I don't want to mention their names because it seems like I'm name dropping then, you know? And, but, but, but I used to live, I will tell you, I used to live in with Dan Soder. So we used to wake up and like, go, is this something, is this something? And Corey Rapod. Well, Corey wasn't there. I took Corey's place. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was the replacement roommate. So it worked out for all of you.

I think Corey got married and he lives in Jersey with kids. And me and Soder lived as two adult men in the same apartment for a decade. He's my house husband. So I would throw things, boss things off of him and he would give me his feedback and then the same. And, uh, it always really helped. Yeah. Yeah. So you'll name drop him as a roommate. I will name drop him. What about you, Aaron? Well, I lived with, uh,

David Tell for 10 years. He and I would bounce ideas off. I love when people have tags for me. Yeah. I always say, somebody said to me earlier, I asked a comic, I said, can I give you a tag? And they said, sure, as long as you don't care if I don't use it. And I kind of live by that. Yeah, I'll hear anything. Yeah. But I might not necessarily say it. Do you guys ever get a tag or feedback from a fan that actually is like, that's a good. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes it's like a different angle. Yeah. But.

But yeah, you guys seem like you don't want that kind of feedback. I don't take it as... I take it as like the bit is still... It's something... It's somebody if you're doing a bit, it's working and somebody comes up and even that I kind of don't mind where it's like, hey, this. It's like, yeah, maybe, maybe not. People after shows go, I wanted more out of that. Like...

Like, so did I. Yeah, I'd love to. You and me both, buddy. Yeah. No, I love it all. I'll take any advice. But with comics, it's like funny. Yeah. I mean, not so much from the people watching. You got a great tag for etiquette joke. You want to tell them that? People quote that to me. I had a joke about cats. What do you do when a cat dies? What do you do with the body? Yeah. Kind of walked through that. It was not a good joke. Right. Yeah.

I didn't know where you were going. But I say in the joke, I thought that was part of it. I said in the joke, what's the etiquette? I said the word etiquette. Yeah. Not an important word to the bit. Right. A woman comes up to me after the show and she said, I got a little idea for your cat joke. And I said, all right, I love to hear it. She goes, talk about cat etiquette. Etiquette?

Okay. I go, all right. Yeah. I go, great. I like it. It's a good word. You like it? Yeah. Etta Cat. I said that to Dusty, who I was opening for at the time. And he said, if you did that, the show would have changed. If you said Etta Cat, people would have been like, wait, what is happening right now? What kind of show is this? Etta Cat. Etta Cat.

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You guys were talking about how a 40% chance of rain doesn't mean there is a 40% chance you will be rained on, but there will be rain in 40% of your area. That's correct. If 40% of your area is covered in rain, there is still a 40% chance you will be rained on. Love the podcast, though. Keep it up. I don't think that's true because I don't think that's right. You cover all the air, all the land. That sounds wrong. Yeah.

That sounds wrong. A 40% chance of rain means exactly that. It's a 40% chance that there will be rain on you. Isn't that exactly what it means? No. So we talked about this. So when a meteorologist says there's a 40% chance... I like how you said that kind of frustrated. You're a stupid guest. We talked about this!

That's what it should mean. I love your frustration. That's what everybody thinks it means because that's the way it sounds. Right. But what they're actually saying is the area about which they're talking. Yes. That means that percentage will see rain. But if you're in that area, that doesn't. So when they say 40 percent chance of rain rain, that means 40 percent of this area will 100 percent see rain.

Oh, wow. That's what it means. So it's a little confusing. I thought just all weather people were liars, but this is – now I feel stupid. Yeah, they're manipulators too. And they talk down to you and they're condescending. Yeah, I actually like that part of it. But I just thought when they say it's going to rain and it doesn't rain, I get angry with them. It's a little annoying, yeah. And I especially hate it when they do the 10-day forecast and then they slowly change it.

As the time goes on, it's like that should be illegal. And think you don't notice. Yeah. You think I was going to rain completely and then there's a 50% chance. And as the days go on and it gets closer, they get more accurate. You watch the news every night? No. Because I was starting to get excited. Like, all right. Do you watch the news? Well, I used to be in the news business, so I keep up with it. And I feel like guys of a certain age, maybe we're more inclined to. I don't have cable anymore, so I can't watch. But the news is not on. I mean, you don't have any.

You can't get the NBC, ABC, CBS? I have the World Wide Web, but I'm not keeping up. I look on my app now to find... Trying to bond with him so hard he's shooting everything down. You read the newspaper? Nah, I haven't had a newspaper in 20 years. But he said World Wide Web. I like that. The World Wide Web. That's what I call it. But I have my weather app that I look. Oh, well, then you're mad at Apple, then.

Yeah. Instead of a weatherman. Well, now they're invisible weather people. Yeah. The app is an aimless, faceless person who's trying to trick me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Catherine Zochler. That's a great name. It is. Zochler. Sounds like the Sackler family. Zochler. The Zochlers, like, they do off-brand prescription drugs. Like, you know, the Sacklers. I don't know that. The Sackler is the...

Aren't they? Yeah. They're the prescription drug people. Yeah. And the Zoclar. This is great. It was a great joke. Thanks, man. Zoclar. They do like, yeah. Apple cider vinegar and stuff. I recently told my husband that for the past few months, I was having a really hard time getting moving in the morning. You and me.

He mentioned hearing this guy on Jim Rome. Wow. I haven't heard Jim Rome's name in a while. He was great. Talk about cold showers. I said, oh, yeah, Mike Vecchione is big into cold showers, to which he replied, who is Mike Vecchione? Exactly. It sounds like a Jim Rome listener. It sounds like she's cheating on her husband with me. Who is this guy?

Anyway, I started taking cold showers the next morning and it's not exaggerating much to say is changing my life. Thank you for passing along the tip.

You still do that? Catherine. Yes, Catherine. It's the secret. I'm trying to spread it. And people, because there's so much information out there and I'm not a doctor, I guess in Alabama I would be, but not a doctor in normal terms. But it's changed my life also, Catherine. So it's, it, I,

I still take them. I've never, I don't take hot showers anymore. This morning cold shower. Yeah. Worked out cold shower. And it's just a natural thing. I'll take a cold shower because it, it, um, it regulates your mood.

There's mood shifting. I don't know what it does to you, but I do a breathing practice also. So it's really cool. And some like my girl lives in Indiana. Her parents have a farm in Indiana and it's well water. She came to my show this weekend. Did she? And Jasper. Yeah. Yes. Well, she was in her family probably did. Where do they live? They live in Dalesville. Yeah. That's right next door.

We're fist pounding for those of you who can't afford a computer.

Again, it's a mystery why my podcast didn't work. Talking down to the fans turns out not to work. Why interrupt you? I'm sorry. Go ahead. Cold shower, it stimulates your nervous system and it fights against, it counteracts depression. It really does. And people think I'm crazy to say that, but it really, I can feel it on the road. I can feel it because I go to some places like the comedy road.

Thank you. The comedy road. And I was in Phoenix and they don't have cold water in Phoenix. And I could feel my mood drop. I was working out, sleeping, still doing the same routine, but my mood, I could feel it drop. And with cold showers, that doesn't happen. Anyway, my point with,

with my girl's family's farm. Those showers, some of those showers like that and in Vancouver during the winter. And we went to Italy. We were in Rome during the summer and it was so hot. But then I guess it's the underwater –

So the system that they have, the water is freezing cold and I never slept better. It's it's just it's really unbelievable. It really I can tell the difference between when I stopped taking freezing showers because when I was in Phoenix, they don't have cold water there. What do you mean by like, would it be still cold to us in Phoenix?

Like, yeah, it would be cold because because you're used you're used to hot. You're used to hot. So if it didn't work, it would be like, oh, I'm taking a warm shower. This is annoying. It wouldn't be freezing, but it's annoying if it's if it's, you know, lukewarm. But to me, I'm like used to getting a shock when I go in the shower. Yeah. So, yeah, that doesn't have it doesn't have the same effect. But you wash your dishes with cold water.

That's an interesting, that's really an interesting question. I wonder if you could just eliminate the hot water all together, save money. I wash it with hot water, but I wash my hands. I'll wash my face all cold water. All cold water. Yeah. Interesting. Your clothes, you go to laundromat?

Uh, no, I have my laundry done. Do you do cold washes? Oh yeah. You haven't. I send it to somebody who does it. Okay. Yeah. Oh wow. That's nice. Yeah, really? No, I mean, it's New York. It's like, there's nowhere to do your, I mean, there's a place up the street, but it's too much. The guy right beneath me does a great job on my laundry. So I just drop it off. And believe me, if I could have a washer and dryer, I would. Is it rare to have one in your apartment? Yes. I just thought everyone went to the laundromat.

They do sometimes. When I was in Queens, you would go to the laundromat. I have a New York mostly from Seinfeld. Yeah.

I was actually thinking, what was the Adam Sandler movie, Big Daddy? Yeah. And he meets the girl. You know, someone's on Bleeker Street. And she's like, yeah. They meet there on a date to wash their clothes. That's what I was envisioning. That's New York. Yeah. No, it does happen like that. But the culture is different. People, like, there's no parking is crazy. So it depends. If you live in Queens, you can park. Yeah, we've been to the zoo.

Call back. You can park in Queens. You probably, but it's very rare to have a washer and dryer in your apartment. Interesting. Yeah. I think the only time I've taken a cold shower, at least it's on purpose. Well, it wasn't on purpose was the biggest show of my life. Bridgestone arena in front of,

almost 20,000 people. I don't know about your dressing room, but my dressing room, there was no warm water. No, they gave me a good one. I don't think I could do, I didn't think I could do it before then, but I'm like, I got to have a shower because we've been on the bus and then two days to get a shower. And I had to do a cold shower. I had no choice, but it about killed me. But don't you in that, um, first of all, like I've been in situations like with Nate on the road where you go to these theaters, like, and, um,

you'll just, there's no warm. Yeah. And everybody's like up in arms. They're like, oh my God, there's no warm water. And I'm just like, don't even think twice about it. It doesn't even affect me in any way. So, but don't you, don't you feel like you have a superpower?

Like when, when the cold water hits you, when you're able to weather, I feel that way. I mentally, cause mentally I feel like, you know, it's like a thing where it's like, Oh, I'm immediately just overcoming something that's difficult. Wow. Yeah. So it's like the whole theory of make your bed.

in the morning, it's like, I have something done. So regardless of whatever happens the rest of the day, my bed is made. So now I can take the momentum. I'm a big momentum guy. So it's like, I'm gonna build on the momentum of making my bed and go into something else. Same with a cold shower. It's like, I've already overcome this thing. - Do the hardest thing in your day. - Eat the hardest thing. - Eat the frog. Isn't that what it's called? Oh, I didn't know that. You ever heard that expression? - Uh-uh. - Eat the frog? - No. - If you gotta eat a frog, just eat it first thing in the morning.

It's the same principle. That sounds like an Alabama diet. That sounds like swamp nutrition. Eat the frog! Eat the frog, Jesse! Jeff Larson. Great name. I've been listening to old episodes and just finished the Wall Street episode. God bless you.

That was a tough one. Just curious how old Diamond Hands is doing on his investments. Well, I appreciate it. I will say I cashed out a little bit of AMC stock, made a little bit of a profit. Oh, you did? Felt good. I held GameStop. Still have it? Still have it. Well, that's the one that you were really... That was a big one. I thought that was taking me to the moon, and it still might. And I will say I mostly haven't sold it because I forgot about it.

Oh, that's good. That's what they take to do, right? I forgot about it. I think I deleted the app from my phone, but you know. Don't they tell you invest it and just forget about it?

I wasn't consulting anybody about this. Forget about it because you lost it. That's what they want you to think. Isn't there already a movie about all that? It wouldn't surprise me. Wolf of Wall Street. That'd be a great movie. I think there's already a movie about that whole GameStop. If they made a big short style movie about that, it would be great. Adam McKay. Is it Adam McKay? I don't know. You're nodding over there, Lauren. I can't believe I'm moving.

wearing that the whole time. Forgot about the sunglasses. The sunglasses? The guy who's in your DMs about your shuffling, he's going to lose it. And the sunglasses? How much am I to take? The Dump Dusty guy is going to pivot to me. Dump Aaron. I don't like that. Nancy Sauer. If you could only sleep in one position, for example, side of your body, for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Oh my God. On my side, right side, righty, just on a side spread out. It's like, I feel like I'm stretching when I'm sleeping kind of in that position. Cause you, you torque your body a little bit. I'm always holding a pillow, which makes my girl furious, but holding a pillow, twerk to the side, twerking. You say torqued or twerked? I think it's, the kids are calling it twerking.

And if I, I'll just like, uh, to make it all Gen Z, I'm twerking. I wake up, vape, and then go back to sleep. Guys, he's young. I'm young. Things are happening, but now I'm on my side. Uh,

twerked. What about you, Brian? I think mine would also be my side. Yeah. My back hurts now, especially picking up my kid all day. Right. My back gets stiff. But then you wake up with some shoulder pain, don't you? If you're sleeping on the side. Well. Putting a lot of stress on the shoulder. I sleep on my back.

Head straight up. The whole time? Mm-hmm. Well, you got to because of CPAP. The CPAP machine. How do you have CPAP? It doesn't limit your range of movement. Yeah. I mean, I wore CPAP too, but I can still lay on my side. Yeah. You guys are both CPAP guys? Yeah, we're CPAPers. Join the club, dude. Wow. I think I'm breathing okay.

so it's cold showers we don't have depression so we don't have to take cold showers we live in a nice place yeah we can wash our clothes in our house thanks you really took it to me yeah it's like uh it's like under the radar the way that you're slamming me but it's like actually we don't have depression yeah so good luck we don't have to do things like take cold showers yeah we call it being a man we have god in our lives yeah

At least I don't have asthma. Night asthma, like both of you guys. Night asthma. That is what it is. We forget to breathe as soon as we go to sleep. J.R. Baker from Dallas. That was J.R. Ewing. Wasn't there a Baker? Dallas? Bakersfield. Can someone get good at creating material for stand-up?

Oh, I misread that the wrong time. I was saying, for the love of God, could somebody get good? I was like, geez, J.R., can someone get good at creating material for stand up? Or is it one of those things you either got it or you don't?

It's a little bit of both nature versus nurture, but you could start off with a little bit of a talent, but I think if you want it bad enough, you can like, you have to have some natural talent. You can't be completely off, but you have to have some natural, it's like anything else. You have to have some natural talent, but then once you have it and you, you work on it years and years and years and years, you get better and better. Are there guys, you don't have to name names. Are there guys when you started, you saw them out in New York, you thought this guy is not funny.

And then they surprised you. And now they have a big career. Yeah. Not even a big career. It's just like, they're hilarious. Oh, really? And it didn't start that way. It started like this guy couldn't, I've had that about me. Really? Somebody said that to me. It's like, I thought you were going to fail miserably. It's like, and you've gotten actually decently funny. Somebody said to me a few years, like not a few years ago, it was years ago. But they said, when I first saw you in New York, he's like, you looked terrible. And now you're funny.

Wow. So it hurt me a little bit because I was like, oh, you know, I didn't know it was terrible. But it's good that none of us know how bad we are or we probably would all quit. Right.

Yeah, I was talking about this this weekend. You do need a little bit of delusion to just keep going. Because if you're fully aware, at least for me, if I was fully aware of how bad I was, I probably would have quit. But in my head, I'm like, there's something here, even when there isn't. It's a balance. Nate started before I did, but the guys here in Nashville, I mean, he really started in Chicago, but he would come to Nashville. And he surprised you when he started to...

do well no he was already great before when i met him but the guys who here in nashville who knew when he started said he was not funny well he was he was i was with him in the early days in new york he was always funny but like the way his he's evolved it's like night and day it's unbelievable how how concise and well written everything it's just it's but that's years and years and that that gives everybody else hope yeah and uh

And it's like you celebrate it because it's like, oh, yeah, of course, there's raw talent there. But it's the work ethic and putting it in and watching something. There's something very pleasurable about watching something over time develop into this great thing. We're talking 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's your it's your life. You know, it's your life. But you're you putting your life into develop developing something into greatness over time. It's unbelievable.

But I would say hard work is even more important. Yeah. You need both to really get good. Right. You need both. But like your heart too. And also like the way you live your life is also obvious. Like the way you navigate. Like it's easy to get bitter. A lot of times it's easy to like want to quit. It's easy just to not quit but like.

what do they call it? Quiet quit now where it's like you're not writing anything new, but you're still going up. So there's and I and there's guys like that that we all know. And I understand that I have empathy for it because it's very difficult. But if you're a guy who can just like stay the course and keep coming, it's like, you know, can't guarantee that you're going to be

Nate, you know what I mean? But you'll be in a good place. Yeah. Well, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. If you can do it for a career full time, then you've made it. Yeah, that's the goal. I mean, I couldn't, there's not many people that are happier than I am. Right, right. Yeah, you got, you look, we poke fun at you. You got the life. You got a wife, you got a kid, you're a full-time comic. Yeah, in your face, buddy. Yeah.

At least he's got one of those. Wait, you're taking it to me today. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I love it. Yeah. All right. I think the fans take down this Yankee. A lot of misplaced rage towards Nate because you're in that. I'm in this. There's nothing to do with me. I started taking testosterone again. So I started to come out. High T. Brian. Yeah. Jacob Hoover from the Hoover family. I don't know. There was another side. One of the worst presidents ever.

Right. Hoover. Hoover. Yeah. What was he like? He sucked. Do you remember? Hoover vacuum cleaner. He's making an age joke, but now I've got you right. So we can double down on the kid. Jacob Hoover. I was wearing an Aaron land t-shirt at a festival and found another folk. I told him that I was still trying to get my comment read out loud on the pod. And he said, it might be because my name is too easy to say. Well,

Well, there you go. Jacob Hoover. Thanks for writing in. Thanks for wearing that Aaron land t-shirt. I sell Aaron land t-shirts at shows. I don't think I'm going to buy more of them. Why not? Because I've had this batch for a while and it is a tough, it's a tough sell to people who've never heard of me or the podcast. But what about if you, um, are you going to make the move to koozies? Maybe it's not the Aaron land brand. Maybe it's the shirt that people don't like. Cause aren't people shirtless in Alabama a lot? Yeah.

They're cutoffs. I'm talking your astronauts, even. Well, what I find is, because I sell similar shirts to Aaron, that only Nate Land people will know. Batesville. Well, yeah. It says, hello, folks. It's got me on there doing that. But now I'm going back to places that I've already been once. It's the same people coming out. So when I pitch my shirt, they're all like, yeah, we bought it last year. Because no new fans are coming. Maybe a collared shirt for formal occasions. Yeah.

That's a good idea, actually. Bates. Everybody else sells shirts. Bates is selling tuxedos. Brian Parker. Many comedians seem to have a painful past or grew up with a lot of dysfunction. They use comedy to channel their thoughts and feelings into making fun of it. The cast of Nate Land all seem to have come from nice living homes. Living homes. They've had a nice living in homes. Sure.

Where do you all draw your inspiration for comedy from? Dusty draws his from his past. Yeah. I mean, he had an, I think he enjoyed his childhood, but yeah, he'll be the first to tell you he had loving mom and loving dad. Yeah. And despite the circumstances, he still did grow up with a great family. Um, but yeah, most of the comics I hang out with are just like brutal family lives. I mean, I don't, I don't think I have a single comedian friend with a dad.

Thanks, buddy. Oh, my God, Brian. Appreciate that. I wasn't thinking. My dad passed away. I wasn't thinking about it. Let's move on. He told me before the podcast he was going to say that. Yeah, he was going to take a shot at it. He said he was going to try to hurt you. I was making a joke and it fell flat. It didn't fall flat. I hit harder than ever.

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Strict in New York City, he used to prosecute. He was a rackets attorney. He would prosecute mob guys. RICO Act. Yeah. Yeah. So and he's he's wrote a couple of books, which I've read. I've talked to him on the phone. Actually, we're supposed to get together before COVID. But that's another Mike Vecchione. And there's another Mike Vecchione who's a marine biologist.

Wow. So I'm like the least successful Mike Vecchione. Well, you're dominating them in search engine optimization. I'll tell you that. Well, anytime I get it to my tonight show, I go on top. And then when the Mike Vecchione, who's a hockey player, scores and he scored something in the some Ryder. It was not Ryder Cup. I'm saying the wrong thing. It was some kind of a cup for that division. He scored the winning goal and everybody was DMing me that.

This Mike Vecchione. I didn't know you were a hockey player. June of this year, Vecchione scored the series winning goal in overtime of game seven of the 2023 Calder Cup. Calder Cup. That's what it was. Yeah. So shout out to that Mike Vecchione. He's a handsome stud and blue chip athlete. And the zoologist has a Wikipedia page too. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have one, huh? A Wikipedia? Yeah. I think I have an IMDB. What is that thing? That's more impressive. Yeah. IMDB. Yeah.

That's not like a common name either. It's amazing. Well, in Italy, Bates, let me tell you about Italy. Hey, I've been to the zoo. That was a great slam. In Italy, I think it's not that uncommon.

You know, Vecchio. We're not in Italy. My name is Brian Bates. And I've set up a Google. It set me straight, dude. We're not in Italy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Bates. You know, you didn't say that, but it had that right into it. I was thinking it. Right in your tone. I love it. I love it. Let me have it. Can we? I shouldn't be here. You did everything except call me a migrant. Is that a derogatory term? Yeah.

Yeah. But it just means without papers. It's not dirty. It's an acronym. Oh, it's like NASA. Oh, okay. So we can leave that in. No, I set up a Google name thing for myself. So every day I just read about more successful brain paces because it's never me. Yeah. There's a guy who's called him. He's called himself the golly. I forgot now the video guy.

vigilante video vigilante and he goes around and like uh films johns with prostitutes and like tries to uh embarrass them um there's this guy yeah he's an immigration lawyer one of the top immigration lawyers in houston texas brian bates that guy's better looking well he works for fong login of course he's gonna be successful right that's a good firm yeah so um

All right. What does he do? Now he goes around and videotapes people and then blackmails them. That guy looks like he would do that, by the way. This is a totally different video. Vigilante. Yeah. Vigilante. Brian Bates. I don't think you have to do John TV. Yeah, that's him. He's got his own. You're busted. Oh, my God. The original video vigilante. This is how I think this is the direction you should take your career.

Since 1996, Brian Bates, Oklahoma's own video vigilante, has been spotlighting the graphic realities of street, forced, and underage prostitution. This is like serious stuff, huh? But he has more TV credits than I do. Yeah.

And then I'll say one more. Right. When, uh, man, he looks pretty good too. Yeah. Good looking guy. We're all, there was a, when the McDonald's character grimace, yeah. Uh, they announced he was a taste bud. Did you guys hear that? No, that's what he is. He's a taste bud, but it was, um, some McDonald's manager in Canada that broke the news. His name is Brian Bates. So, wow. I got all these alerts about grimace because Brian Bates broke the news.

So anyway. I like how you say, did you hear about Grimace, the news? I'm like, I don't know. I haven't read the McDonald's newsletter recently, Brian. Well, Nate gets it. Yeah. Forgot Nate wasn't here. All right. Here we go. We got a comment from Brandon Conrad. We just did that one. Just did that one. We got one from Robert Ramey. What should, oh, this is a good question. What should the speed limit be if all cars are self-driving?

It's an interesting question. Yeah. Now, I know that for gas-powered vehicles during the Cold War, when there was a gas and oil shortage, a lot of the speed limits were changed to 55 to maximize engine efficiency. But I assume that these self-driving vehicles are all going to be electric.

I don't know how the speed affects the battery. I don't know if there's like a maximum efficiency point. So I think you can just go as fast as you want. Why not go 100 miles an hour? Yeah, because it's going to have a detector when you get close enough to another car to slow down. So why does it matter? What about a kid crossing the street?

It's going to have a detector, isn't it? To detect that kid. Kids have to run faster. Yeah. But if you're going 100 miles an hour and it stops, you're going to. Well, if you hit the kid, then they'll just replace him with robotic parts. I would imagine this is all in the future, right? Yeah. He's like $6 million man. I don't know if anybody's old enough to remember that, but it's Steve Austin. Yeah. But Lee Majors. Steve Stone Cold.

So $6 million in the future will be nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Just inflation and everything. It'll be like Zimbabwe money or something. Right. So I imagine maybe in the interstate, we have an express lane on the left and it's just like, hey, you can't get off for 500 miles or something. And you have to drive 250 miles an hour. That would be the way to do it. Yeah. Well, maybe every lane's got their own speed limit. Yeah. That would be good.

But the faster the lane, the more you have to go before you can exit? I think so. I think you have to commit to a certain length just so everyone can get the most out of it. Imagine going 250 and then having to change lanes over to 100. Can I get over? Hey, can I get over? Yeah, it would have to almost have a separate exit. There should be a lot of infrastructure involved in this, I think. Infrastructure. Wow. Okay. What? What?

I like the word infrastructure. It is a good word. You don't think that R is going to be in there, but it's in infrastructure. I like three guys talking about infrastructure with no idea about it. It's like, we should do this. We should have another lane with its own speed limit, and then we should have a train that goes faster than that. It's like, do we just have infinite space? But you need the infrastructure. Infrastructure. Michael Ellsworth, do you find yourself adjusting final jokes at the end of your set to be sure you don't

quote, pull a bait at the end. Oh man, that's brutal. Like if a joke doesn't land with a crowd, do you have an alternative for the end of the set? Or if something kills harder than normal, will you finish the set early to end on a high note? It's another great question, I think. Yeah. Let me take this one. Yeah. Go ahead. What does he mean by a pool of baits? Yeah. He mentioned your name in it. So go on the offensive, Michael.

He's talking about the fiasco, about the standing ovation and everything at the driveway. I think that's what he's referencing. Maybe. I mean, these jokes are the... I mean, these comments are in my evergreen stack. Yeah. You know, so he could have...

Two years ago could have emailed that when we were talking about something. I don't remember. I definitely, if I'm like one joke away from maybe the closer and the joke before that does really well, I've gotten off early. If you've done your time, you're like, yeah, might as well just tap out of here. Yeah. And I certainly adjust. Boy, when I was new, I just couldn't do that. I'm like, I got to stick to the script. These are the jokes. I don't have anything. But now, thankfully...

If you tell, you know, if the audience just isn't digging it, I can pivot some. I mean, I don't have some, I can't just launch into crowd work, but I can pivot a little bit. Right. Oh, we haven't seen you since the dry bar special came out. Have we? Well, we recorded yesterday's. Oh yeah. It hasn't come out yet, but the one with John Chris. I can't remember what I've seen people. Yeah. It's good to see you, man.

Well, thank you. Thank you. I mentioned it briefly, but Nate shut it down pretty fast. Were you happy with how it came out and everything? Did you watch it? Did you go through, like, Mike watched his four times? You know, I watched it. They sent me a rough draft ahead of time, and I gave them one note. I left out a line of a joke. I don't know why. Just whatever reason, just skip my mind. But we did two tapings that night, so I emailed them, and I said, hey, could you, for this joke, I left out this line. Could you use the...

from the other show. I can't swear that I didn't believe it out on both shows, but the odds are pretty slim. And then when I got the final version, they had not changed it. So there was a line of joke that was left out, which I didn't like that. Some of the jokes did not hit as hard as I feel like they do every weekend on the road. But overall, yeah. It looked really great. I was happy. That's awesome. The clip was good. I hope it helps you sell on the road.

I hope so too. Yeah. I feel like that's some, the comedy, I feel like you're saying it sarcastically, but absolutely not. I mean that genuinely. All right. I hope it does help. I would never joke. Is it hard for you to jump? You get whiplash from jumping back to sincere and sarcastic. No, I don't know. I think I figured you guys could tell we're in the same room together. Yeah. You guys can feel the energy. But I think that's the most, that's the first sincere comment of the day.

And we're over an hour into this. Do you debrief the podcast on your drive home in your mind? I run through it in my head. I think about stuff I wish I hadn't said. That kind of stuff. Stuff I wish I said. Stuff I wouldn't have. It hasn't come out yet. Well, we taped it yesterday, the Georgia episode. I can already predict some things people are going to say. What are they going to say? Too Atlanta heavy. Yeah.

But so much of Georgia is Atlanta. Right, yeah. And then every state now, they say, you didn't get to this, this, this, this. We didn't even touch on really Chick-fil-A, Waffle House, stuff you think would be in a roll house. The importance. Yeah. But don't read the comments. Why do you guys read the comments? I mean, I read them too. None of us should read any of them. We've been reading them all. But these are the positive. These people are good people. Brian sorts through them. That's the tough part. Yeah, and I have to put in pull of baits.

on myself. Well, could I answer this one? Yes. Because I have some insight into Michael's comment. I love it. And it's not sarcastic. If I do a joke and it bombs, I'll just go, let's give it up for the troops.

I'm for the troops. And if anybody doesn't clap, I'll go, Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda, you hate America, you hate America, you hate America, get out of my show. But no, I always, even if the thing goes on a high note, I'll go the extra, if I have another joke, I'll do it anyway, just to see. And then if it fails, I go, I should have ended with the other joke, but I pushed it too far and you guys didn't go with me. I always turn it and put it on the audience. I make it their fault. Yeah, you're great at that.

I meant that sincerely. You guys are both really strong comics. When Kevin Nealon did the podcast, he told a great trick that he about for corporate gigs. He'll say if the crowd's not paying attention, he'll just start saying a prayer. He was like, let's bow our heads in prayer. Really great. And I could sort of be like, oh, quiet. And then you can start your set. That's really great. That's a good technique. Tough to do in a club.

I mean, well, the club shouldn't. They should be policing. They should have started the show with a prayer. The Pledge of Allegiance and a prayer. Yeah. Did they still do the Pledge of Allegiance places? I can't remember the last time. I've never done it. I've never been at a. You've never done the Pledge of Allegiance? A Pledge of Allegiance at a club? At a comedy show? What's that? Yeah. No. I mean, in general. When you're a kid, I did it every day. Every day. I did the Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. And I don't think I've done it.

Maybe since. I don't think I ever did it in high school. Maybe I did in high school. I can't remember. When you taught? Yeah. The Pledge of Allegiance. Didn't the Pledge of Allegiance come on? They do it over the announcements. Yeah. Oh, over the... So if you want to hear what's for lunch today, you're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance. That's right. But do you make the kids recite it? Or do they just have to listen to it?

No. I mean, when I taught, I taught 20 years ago, so everybody would stand up. Right. And then it was the play. And you shamed the kids that don't say under God.

Like a good teacher. We're going to do five minutes. Meditation is frowned. They can't get meditation through the school system because they think it's in conflict with God. So it's like that's a whole thing. It's like we don't need your voodoo in here. It's science-backed meditation. It's five minutes of meditation. They're not telling you to think about another god. You can think about whatever you want. It's like mindful. It's supposed to be. It's quiet time.

Quiet. The practice of letting thoughts go is really what you're supposed to be doing. And it has nothing to do with any of it. And it's supposed to like scientifically be proven to work, just like cold showers and pushing all of my stuff on you guys. And this is the South. Yeah, I know, but they won't let it. Yoga was banned in schools for until pretty recently. I mean, that's yeah. I mean, it can only help you. I didn't get to this in the Georgia episode, but it was founded. The two things they banned were rum and Catholics. And I support both of those. It makes me want to move to Georgia.

You guys are both Catholic, right? Yes. And I love the slam. And I appreciate it. I don't think George is wrong. Actually, I like taking a side against my own people. Anybody who goes against Italians and Catholics, I get on board with it. I at least love the effort on the slam. Pledge of Allegiance came along very late, though, didn't it? Like you think it's since the founding of our country, but I think it was like the 1950s or something when it was. Was it? I wasn't alive back then, but you were in school. Oh, come on. What are we, nine months apart or something?

Same age. I think we're the same age. It was written...

The first version was written in 1892 to mark the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus in the Americas. The pledge that we recite now was written in 1954. That's way later than I thought. I thought they were doing this at the constitutional. Yeah. Yeah. I thought so too. Like Ben Franklin was doing. There would have been a lot of more ye's in it. Old. Yeah. Yeah.

At the right hand is extended. Anyway, yeah, that's way later than I thought. My first version was written by Francis Bellamy. He used to open for me. Francis Bellamy in 1892. Bill Bellamy's younger cousin. So this is probably done in kind of the Cold War furor. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Fuhrer. No, not Fuhrer. Fuhrer is not. That's something different. Fervor. Fervor. Oh, very. Wow. That was very different. The Cold War. We found it, though. You found it. I did find it. But yeah, it was like if you didn't say it, then you were a communist. Probably back then. Right. McCarthyism. McCarthyism. That's a good point.

All right. This week, guys, we're talking about geniuses. All right. We got rid of the less intellectual two, and we got three smart guys here at the table. We can finally get into it. Yeah. Now, I've said on this podcast that Nate and Dusty are two of the versions of Good Will Hunting in comedy. I mean, where they started to where they're at now is pretty crazy. Right.

I mean, they're both, neither one was very smart, but they're so successful. No, they're both very smart. But Dusty grew up in a trailer. Well, we don't have to, you guys know. Yeah. I don't have to read their bio. So you could say street smart. Yeah. Yeah. Versus book smart. Yeah. Hmm. Are they book smart? The streets of comedy. Yeah. Street smart is just based. It's common sense skills and navigating life.

And Booksmart is obviously... When you say Street Smarts, I think they're playing three-card money somewhere. I don't think Nate and Dusty... Street Smarts. Nate and Dusty were playing stickball in Brooklyn. Street Smarts, you know, kid? Street Smarts. They got moxie, both of them. So, genius. The definition of a genius. Anyone know? I think it's all intellect. Somebody... Can I guess? Yeah. Your IQ is over...

160? If your IQ's over... No. If your IQ's over 165, you're a genius. I think that's right. Yes! And that makes me pretty smart. That bumps you up a couple points. I don't think it's clearly... I mean, it's just that... 165? Is there, like, a medical definition? No. An official definition for a genius? No, there's not. It's associated with intellectual ability, but also creative power.

productivity so that's where yeah that's where you can you can make an argument yeah nate is a genius yeah can i can you guys break down intellectual ability because really what iq is is intelligence quotient yes that's what i mean you're really taking it the bear behind the cue come from let's start at the beginning yeah but it's but until measuring intellect is like

your ability to work through a series of tasks in an efficient way to master a skill in an efficient way. Yeah. So that's what it is. And I didn't realize that until pretty recently. It sounds like a good way of reframing it to fit what you guys are going on. Well, no, no, no, no. It doesn't actually, I'm far from it. I'm deficient in it all. That's why it's like mine is probably on the lower end, but like putting together like things like you, you buy a bedroom set, like,

when you had a baby. So it's like putting together a crib from a Kia. That's IQ. It's like, how fast can you do it? Can you figure it out? Screws and bolts and all this stuff everywhere. It's written in Swedish. So it's like you go in and it's like somebody with a high IQ figures that they have no background in it. They look at all the information and they figure it out and put it together quickly without having emotional breakdowns and all kinds of stuff that somebody with a lower IQ would have. How did you build the crib system?

Brian, were you a genius about it? Yeah. I called my brother-in-law and I'm come over one weekend when I was out of town. That might be the smartest way to do it. That is street smarts. Hire somebody else to do it. Yeah. Marry someone who has a brother who knows how to do stuff. There you go. He has a high IQ probably. Yeah. Yeah. And he knows I don't know how to fix anything. Well, they, there is no, even a clear IQ problem.

See, I read different things. One thing said when it first started, if you have 140 or above, you're considered genius. But that was one in every 250 people. To me, that seems too low. That's way too low. 140 is high, though. It's high, but I think it's genius. Then they proposed 180, which would be about one in every 2 million. To me, that seems too high. 160 to me seems like a sweet spot. 165, 160, I think is genius. What was the last one? One in every 2 million people. So how many people are in the United States?

300 million? Yes. So there'd be 150 geniuses in the country? Does that sound right to you? To me, that seems low. I think I kind of like that. That makes it more exclusive. I think Tennessee has 6 million people or something like that. Does that mean there's three geniuses in the whole state? Probably. That sounds right. With as many Waffle Houses as you have. The ratio of Waffle House to geniuses is always important. Do you guys know Mensa? I was getting that next. Okay. Are you a member?

Mark and Hudson has a joke that said, I tried to join Mensa, but I failed, so I joined Womansa. That's a great joke. Mensa, do you know the qualifications for that? You have to take a test. Do you have to have an IQ over a certain... Yeah, you have to take a test. You have to have a certain IQ to apply. Correct? I think it's just the...

You have to take the IQ test. Yeah, you have to be in the 98th percentile on an IQ test. Oh, my God. So 98th? Or other standardized intelligent tests. So you've got to be in the top 2%. Top 2%. Wow. Now, there's a girl who's like three years old now who just joined Mensa.

God, jeez. These two-year-olds are getting arrogant. I know. But her test is on a level of a two-year-old. Right. Yeah, they're like, build these blocks real quick. Yeah, so it's not like she's taking the same thing we are. She's better at Legos than all of us. Yeah. That's too young for Legos, I think. What were you going to say about Mensa? I just know about it. That's how low my IQ is. I know about it, but that's it. Do you know what they do?

I think they get together and talk down to dumb people. Isn't that what they do?

I think it is. I think they just get together. They get together and play chess. I think they just talk about bright ideas, almost like a think tank. I think they just get together and solve the world's problems. That's what I thought. That's what I thought smoking should be. It's like they got their outcasts and they have their own section outside where they can smoke. It's like if you're going to smoke, it's like there should be a sign with a topic. It's like climate change and then smoke and they have to solve it.

Wouldn't that be a better use of their time? Before they go back inside? Yeah, if you're going to kill yourself. So it's like you're with other people and you're your own group. So instead of just talking about the weather and the 40% chance of rain, maybe you could talk about climate change and then solve it and go back in with the answer. Sometimes they do end up talking about that stuff out there. Would it be? Outside zanies? Some of the best conversations are just out there.

You know? Yeah. Talk about that kind of stuff. Right. But that's for the, that's my idea for the smokers. And also Mensa, it's like, give them a topic and then force them to solve it. Like, don't let them out of the room. Make it like a forced jury. Right. Duty kind of thing. Self-declared genius. Yes. Let's get on it. Right. Fix some stuff. Yeah. I have an IQ test pulled up here. I want to run through some of these questions to see how we fare. We're just going to do a few.

Okay. You're going to participate, Mike? Yeah, I'm in. All right. You've been talking down to us this whole podcast. It's time to put your money where your mouth is. But I talk down knowing that I don't have intelligence. So that's what makes me unique. Right. You just explained sarcasm to us. How are we going to do this? Being very condescending. What number is one quarter of one tenth of one fifth of 200? I mean, I could do this. It would just take me some time. It would take me time. How do you approach it?

What number is one quarter of one tenth of one fifth of 200? I would start at 200. Yeah. I would say one fifth of that is, I have to do the math. 40. Yeah, that's right. 40. And then one tenth of that. Would be four. And then one quarter of that. Would be one. Yeah. There you go. All right. One.

There you go. We were all supposed to answer. This wasn't supposed to be group work. We all did it in the time that one smart person could have done it. All right. Yeah. Just answer this next one on your own. This is the palindrome is a word or phrase that is spelled the same written. I explained what a palindrome is. Stets is a palindrome. That's true. Yeah, that's an easy one. Yeah, it was easy.

All right. This is more boring than I thought. Now we start insulting the test makers. That was too easy. You guys are dumb. It's about to get real hard. I got bored of this pretty quickly. All right. But I think we pass. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think we're all geniuses. Is that what we figured? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. All right. Oh, we quit the test? I got bored of it real quick. That's the best way. I mean, it's just we're taking a math test on the podcast. Yeah. Come on. I thought that would be fun. I mean, what? Are we trying to get in the country?

We took that test out of here. We took the immigration test. It's like after question three, they have you do the Pledge of Allegiance, and then you're a citizen.

We did two questions. We're out of here. We're out of here. Well, that's part of it. The patience and the commitment required to take this test. Yeah, don't bang your head on the door. Just try a window. Try a window. You know, Einstein never officially took an IQ test. I know. You know what I love about Einstein's story is that he worked in that patent office for like 10 years.

He wasn't just working in the patent office. He was an accomplished guy, but working in a patent office because he couldn't get a professorship like everybody else. So he worked in the patent office for 10 years while his contemporaries were all at these high level professorships and universities and getting all the glory. He just stayed tried and true. And he would get the patent work done quickly because he's so intelligent. So then he would just think about

his experiments and relativity for the rest of the time. There's a ton of downtime at his job. Probably. Yeah. It was time. Cause he got everything done so fast, but then, but then he married his cousin and just did he really? Yeah. He married his cousin. Well, that's Germany. That's common, right?

I mean, yeah, whatever makes you happy, whatever helps you sleep at night. And your family German? No, I don't know. I don't even know if he's German. I don't know if it was common, but he did it. He pulled the trigger on it. Wow. Yeah. It's a different time. Yeah, he was from Germany, right? Or Austria? Yeah. And then we brought him over here. We brought him over. During the war. Yeah.

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Yeah, you'd have to solve like, well, maybe he's a scientist in his spare time. I don't know. I don't know. Some people here that you might believe, some that would surprise you. Sylvester Stallone, 160.

I wrote Rocky, the greatest movie of all time. In three days. Forget that. He wrote it on a napkin. He directed as well? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's all impressive. That does make sense. And he has that rough exterior. Like, oh, he's playing a dumb guy, but he has that IQ. I did not know Sylvester Stallone had that, but it makes sense. Didn't he steal that, though, from somebody? That script?

Still a script? I don't think so. No, I don't know. The story is based on Chuck Wepner who fought Muhammad Ali. Stallone went to that fight and saw Wepner

lose badly to Ali but never give up right and he got the idea from the movie but that's not I mean all respect to Chuck Wepner that's Wepner's story but that's not he got the inspiration from watching that fight but that's not Wepner's idea is he mad about it he sued yeah I mean years later yeah after the movie but he sued them yeah what's your favorite Rocky

Or what's the order? I think Rocky one is the best movie of all time. It's got everything in it. It's, it's endearing. It's funny. It's emotional. Every scene is, uh, captivating. It's really an unbelievable movie and it's a story. It's really not about boxing at all. It's about love and about the human spirit, about two losers becoming winners. You know, it's got everything in it.

Well, what's the next? Rank the Rockies. Rocky 1, Rocky 2, Rocky 4, Rocky 3. And then we're off into... That's where they only... 5. I really have to defend 5. 5 would have been great.

Without the Tommy Gunn caricature, that whole thing made it bad. But the fact of him losing all of his money and going back to South Philly in the streets and then raising his son, that would have been... If they would have just pivoted a little bit and went in another direction, that would have been a fantastic movie. But it missed the mark a little bit. But I do love the fact that Paulie screwed up

I love organic things that happen to me. Pauly screwing up and losing all of their money and him having to go back to the streets and train fighters and stuff. That is a very organic thing that could have happened in the context of the story. You like the underdog.

role kind of yeah i mean it was always underdog but right i love stuff that where it's like organic in nature and like i hate it i hate it when i'm watching something and something is shoehorned in i can feel it we can all feel it it's like it's it's meant to try to make you feel a certain emotion but it's not organic to the story it i i drop out as soon as that happens what about rocky balboa

I don't like the fact that he's an upscale restaurateur. That just kind of... I dropped off that. I didn't like that whole movie. Five, I thought, was better. And people are like, no, six, they want it back. I go, no, no, no, no. You know what was better in six? The boxing itself is so much better. In six? As far as the actual looking real. Well, because Antonio Tarver, I think, if I'm not mistaken, is in that movie. He's unbelievable. He's like a pro. But in the other Rockies, the fighting...

The way they shoot the camera angle and stuff like that. In 6, it looks like a real fight.

I mean, as much as you can with a 60-year-old man in the room. Well, I'm not... Yeah, the 60-year-old man... Stuff like that, where it's like, you'll accept things about a movie, but a 60-year-old man fighting a fight and being competitive is crazy. Yeah, silly. Well, I agree with you. The first one's the best. First one is the best. I would argue the best movie of all time. My favorite movie of all time. I've never heard someone say that. Yeah. Well, you're hearing it here. Yeah, and I respect it as an opinion. I've just never heard... You hear the movies that are talked about. Godfather...

Godfather's great. Shawshank Redemption. Shawshank is great. Citizen Kane. Yeah, yeah. For the artsy people out there. Get all of it. I get all of it. But for my money, I mean, Rocky has everything. If you watch the scenes, the scenes are fall down funny. And there's little inside things that are organic to Italians and I think South Philly like

Like Adrian has to go home and she goes, she goes, if I don't go home, um, Polly has to go home and he goes, I gotta go. If I don't go, Adrian calls all the hospitals.

That's a very specific thing, but something that, that would happen if she didn't make it home. There's no cell phones at the time. It's like, somebody's not home in like 15 minutes, like something happened and they start to panic and then they would call all the hospitals. It's a very, it sounds ridiculous now, but it's a very real niche thing. That was a, that was a concern. So we wouldn't even know that.

What's your favorite scene in that movie? I'm sorry to keep dwelling on this movie, but I got one in mind. This will be geniuses in parentheses Rocky. We started doing that for episode titles. I didn't do it. You didn't do it for the last one? Warren, we can still change it, I guess, right? Georgia, parentheses Regis Philbin. And this one will be... Somebody said we should stop calling it something because we barely actually talk about the topic. We should put what they actually talked about in parentheses.

So we'll do Georgia. Doesn't that tilt it too much? I don't know. I want it to be funny, but also get people to actually watch. So sometimes we can go too deep in the weeds. Well, you just have to do it like this one. Um,

You guys should write, Mike Vecchione gets exposed. Just say that. And then people will be like, oh yeah, they're exposing him. Why Mike Vecchione hates the South. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. Kill folk turn against Yankee. Yankee gets slammed. Tail between his legs. Well, that'll be in the show description. But not in the title. I'll just write that. Civil War, part two. All right, my favorite scene in Rocky is...

is when Mickey goes, when he gets the fight and Mickey goes to him, kind of tail between his legs, kind of asking him to manage him. And it's such a powerful scene because he's the guy who's down on his luck too and never made it. And it's just, it's a powerful scene. It is a powerful scene. I agree with you.

It's good to know that you have a heart, Bates. I was starting to wonder a couple hours into this podcast. I know. It all comes out when Nate's not here. My favorite is, and this is a niche one, but it's when he's in the car with the loan shark. And the loan shark's driver tells him, Adrian, to go to the zoo. Take her to the zoo. She's slow. Take her to the zoo. They like the zoo. Take her to Little Italy? Yeah.

Aaron, that was great. And he goes back. He's like arguing with the guy back and forth. And finally, the mob guy, he goes, all right, stop the arguing. Takes Rocky outside. And he goes, buddy, don't like you. And Rocky goes, yeah. And he goes, some guys hate for no reason.

That's such a great scene. Did you never hear that today? Some guys hate for no reason. It's just such a funny thing to say. And he talks to Rocky. He was always very supportive of Rocky. But that was my favorite scene. He's like, take it to the zoo. They like the zoo. And he's like, does that guy got to say that? Does he got to say that? And they're just going back and forth. And he's like, some guys hate for no reason. Yeah, that's a great scene. That's a great one.

All right. Some other celebrities with really high IQs. Reggie Jackson. Oh, wow. Okay. 160. The baseball player? Yeah. Yeah. Quentin Tarantino. Yeah. That makes sense. Matt Damon. Matt Damon seems like he's smart. Conan O'Brien. Well, Conan. Matt Damon's a genius and wrote a movie about himself being a genius. I don't know if he's a genius, but it says 160. Is that the best? 160 is pretty high. It is. Yeah. 160 is very high. Have you ever taken an official IQ test or anything?

My mom told me what mine was when I was young. Oh, really? Yeah. Go ahead. Is this going to be Mike Vecchione reveals how dumb he is? Yeah. Was it triple digits? Yeah, it was. It was. To be honest, it was 119. 119 is great. Yeah. I mean, that's functional. Functional. Yeah. I'm a functional member of society with 119. All right. I love this guy. I was looking up some child prodigies. Mozart, of course. Bobby Fisher. Michael Kearney.

Michael Kearney graduated high school at age six. He lived in California. His family moved to Alabama. There you go. Age eight, he enrolled at the University of South Alabama. In Mobile, Alabama. Yeah. Now, you would say, well, that's easy. Yeah.

So it was the Guinness Book of World Records for youngest graduate at the age of 10. Wow. Age of 14, he obtained a master's degree in chemistry from my alma mater, Middle Tennessee State University. Wow. Age 18, he obtained his master's degree in computer science at Vanderbilt University, Nate's pretend alma mater. And then...

You guys want to know what he's doing now? What is he doing? Is he a comedian? Improv in Nashville. Are you kidding me? Up until recently. I don't know if he still is or not. The last thing I could find on him, he was working for like Nashville Improv. Wow. Whoa. What's his name? Michael Kearney. I looked him up on Facebook. We had two mutual friends. Well, I don't want to go too far, I guess, on who the person was. But I asked this person about him and he knew him. Wow. Man. That's the smartest guy in the world. Do improv. Improv.

Well, he's got that chemistry background to fall back. I mean, maybe he can work chemistry into his improv. Be like a corporate act. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So what is the, what do you guys, what's your favorite movie about a genius? I can list some here if you don't remember. I mean, to me, it's Good Will Hunting. Good Will Hunting was pretty great. As a janitor who used to do high level math at a Harvard University. Yeah.

I have to say that was my favorite. MIT, right? MIT's. And his friends. His friends were like knuckle-dragger types. You have some phrases and terms that we don't know. Great slang. Yeah. One thing from that movie that came from real life, Matt Damon's brother, Kyle, was- Kyle Damon? I guess. Was visiting a physicist at the MIT campus and came across an equation on a hallway chalkboard.

he, the brother decided to complete the equation with totally fake numbers and the masterpiece remained untouched for months because everybody was like, I think this might be real or whatever. So that's where he got the inspiration for that, that scene.

I thought it was interesting. That is very interesting. Because, you know, a really dumb person would just write graffiti under it or like draw something that we really can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about on this podcast. But it's something vulgar on there. Yeah. But this guy actually fake solved the problem. Yeah. A Beautiful Mind. You guys seen that? Yeah. Another great film. Ron Howard.

Yeah, it was a Ron Howard film, I think. Yeah, he won an Oscar for it. Okay. Yeah. You weren't asking it as a question. Okay. What's the one on Netflix right now? I'm thinking about Russell Crowe. You don't even know the film. How about Queen's Gambit? Have you seen that one? Yeah. That was a television show. That was a television show. We're talking about movies. And we're going to move into television shows in a few minutes. So hold your horses. Way to backhand me back into my place. We got two hours left of this podcast. You could just...

Slow down. We're doing a Guinness Book of World Records. Longest podcast. Now, I think I've only seen A Beautiful Mind once, but I remember the scene at the end where the faculty leaves the pen for him. Yeah, yeah. According to Princeton, that's all made up. What kind of fades as to how it ends? It's like a spoiler alert.

if you haven't watched but it's like he's delusional right so it's like all the people get together at the end and they kind of smile at him or something I kind of lost delusional feels a little dismissive of a legitimate mental condition alright well that's what that's exactly the way I meant it and you worked in special education yes

So live with it or don't. Turns out John Nash is a bit of an airhead. He's schizophrenic. He's a dumb blonde. My fault. My fault, guys. No disrespect. No disrespect. He's schizophrenic or whatever. Yeah. But no, I think the illusions of the people...

kind of waving to him or was I don't know I kind of lost interest during the end it kind of petered out for me oh yeah the last scene of the movie yeah like towards the end I was like what what is this guy's thing is he really seeing things like what are the people really there and then they just kind of like I don't know there was no there was no big ending for me kind of there I was trying to protect Ron Howard because I knew he didn't like it but I go after Ron Howard well the real story is he

he thought people were communicating to him through magazines and newspapers. Right. They're not? No.

It's called advertising, Aaron. What are you, delusional? But obviously on film, it plays a little better if he visually thinks that there are people around him. But the real story is a lot less dramatic. But there was some of that in the movie, wasn't there? Like clippings or something? A little bit. But in the movie, it's like he has a roommate who's not real. And then all this other people just walking. Even at the end, years later, he's getting the Nobel Prize. And there's...

you know, people that aren't real and right. And that's all kind of, that's Hollywood. Oh, you know what I think was a better version of that movie is, uh, and I don't know if this guy was a genius, but the Joker, uh,

I thought the Joker was an unbelievable... It blew me away with how good it was. I thought it was so good. I think it's just Joker. Oh, I'm sorry, Bates. It's not called the Joker. Different movie. Joker was unbelievable. I thought so, too. It's amazing after...

um the other joker version right i'm trying to blank on jared leto no the oscar-winning joaquin phoenix no the one who died um that's who i'm drawing ledger's version that joaquin phoenix would do another version that's incredible it was but the other version wasn't all about the joker as a batman right right okay so this one's all about the joker yeah yeah and he was great in the dark knight but um

This one is just the story. I mean, the acting was brilliant, unbelievable. But the story was just when I talk about like it's organic and a guy like, first of all, set in the 80s. So none of what we're doing now applies to society, what people think. So that's the biggest part that they figured out. And then his his background and how he became the Joker was just amazing.

Unbelievable. What a great story. Sam Morrell was incredible. You knew a bunch of people in that movie, right? Sam. Well, now it's time to name drop. Sam. Gary Goldman was in it. Yeah. It was. Greer Barnes. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Just a classic.

And I think it's like, cause you think the joke or Joker, sorry, I keep saying the joke, but it's like a Marvel. I don't know if it's a Marvel. I'm not a comic book guy. So DC, yeah. DC world. You're like, Oh, this is going to be fake and just all kinds of whatever. But it couldn't have been more. It couldn't have been.

better done than it was. It was unbelievable. It's to the point where it never felt silly. Never felt silly. Really. A guy could really like lose it and spiral that way. And, and, and like De Niro's character, like making fun of him was, it was fantastic. Marin was also, Marin was great in it. Mark Marin. And just, and they left all the, the graphic. Sometimes it's like, Oh, why does this need to be this graphic? But they left that in. And I think that helped that helped the story also. Yeah.

I agree. I thought it was great. It's a...

hilarious list we've compiled here. And we're going a little bit off track. We're going to brush past Mozart and Bobby Fischer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're like, I'm not at that level. So I have to bring it back to my level. Right. Well, I do too. That's why you relate more to him than Mozart. Yes. Yeah. Me too. I'll just, some of the movies, uh, social network. I mean, it's not really about, I mean, it is about a genius, but it's not, but I mean, I guess his IQ, I wonder Zuckerberg. Hmm.

lower or higher than his net worth in billions that's an interesting question i'll say lower lower yeah lower what's he worth 140 billion or something well i'll say higher i think his iq is around 160 probably net worth is coming in at a disappointing 101 billion well wow loser that's lower than i thought

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I think so. I don't know. Yes. But it's like, cause I remember that one scene where he's like, he's back, he's playing and he's like, don't move until you see it. And then he's like, I can't see it. Don't move until you see it. Just keep repeating. He's just like looking at the board. Don't move until you see it. I can't see it. Yeah. It was like an emotional move. It was a very organic. Yes.

You keep throwing that in my face. I love it. No, I just. Organic. Yeah. I don't know. The movies he likes. Yeah. There's a lot of organic in there. Yeah. I love that movie. All right. It's Queen's Gambit. That's based on a real person, I believe. Right? Is it? I mean, there was a lot of liberties taken, but there is a young girl who's a chess prodigy. And I think she became a grandmaster at maybe 10 or something. Oh.

Who's that? What's her name? I forgot. Miss Gambit. Miss Gambit. No, she had a, but I liked the part of the movie where she's like, what you were saying, it comes at an immense personal cost because your mental health starts to spiral out of control. Like she would lay in her bed and like see the chess pieces moving all over the place. That's how they made it. But we do that with jokes. Yeah. Yeah.

That's not crazy. I'm a genius. I'll do that with my act, dude. McDonald's, Goodwill. Those, you know, blindfolded chess is illegal in a lot of places now. Why is that? Because of it. It hurts people.

Because it's so mentally exhausting that it's actually dangerous. To your brain. To your brain. Wow. Because a lot of these people blindfold, and they'll play multiple games of chess at once. They'll play like 20, 30 games blindfolded. And that's illegal in some countries now. Sure.

It's pretty crazy. And when you do that, you just tell the person, move this or that pawn to E5. Oh, wow. And then you visualize it in your head. And then you remember multiple boards and you play all these games simultaneously. And you said it's illegal. And I have a joke for that. Yeah. Because you get arrested and put in jail where you play checkers. You have like dominoes the rest of your life. Playing a dumber man's game. Yeah.

Is Andy Dufresne from Shawshank Redemption? Would you consider him a genius? No. Just a smart guy. Yeah, just a smart guy. A smart guy and a good guy. That's the point. He's goodness. I've cast all of us. Not you, Mike. Sorry. But I've cast the regular members of Nate Lamb Podcast for maybe... We could cast you. No, go ahead. No, do the regulars. But go ahead. I'm sorry. Well, hold your thought, please. You would be Andy.

Aaron. Oh, about Shawshank? Yeah. Oh, thanks. You'd be it. I mean, the smart guy in the group that, you know, I would be Brooks. Mm-hmm.

The old guy who can't make it on the outside world. Institutionalized. Yeah. I think Dusty would be Red, Morgan Freeman's character. Okay. I don't know. I didn't have a great one for him, but wise in his own way. He's got his own. He knows the streets. Right. So to speak. And then Nate would either be Tommy, the guy who can't read very well, but Andy helps out.

I helped Nate get his GED. Yeah. He could also be the warden because he oversees everything. And when you throw out obtuse, he doesn't like big words. Any response with violence? Yeah. That's great. So, you know, I've thought about this. Wow. I can't share it on this podcast with Nate here because he hasn't seen the movie. Sure. But you guys have. Biggest compliment to Aaron, though, is that he's Andy.

Because Andy, his biggest quality is that first night when they all bet who was going to cry. Someone always ends up crying. Yeah, they heard nothing from his cell. He was just quiet. And then he was like, it set the tone for him being poised. His first night in the joint, Andy cost me three packs of cigarettes. That movie's unreal. I think Andy, just to get off brand here, right at the end, I think that whole movie's a metaphor for Jesus.

Wow. I did not see that coming. I don't even know. I don't think Stephen King intended to be that way, but I think it's like a near perfect. I bet. Does he agree with the allegory for an innocent man comes into a world of sinners and says, if you have hope, you can be with me in paradise later and leaves and then red meets him there. I think it's a,

Pretty perfect metaphor. Anyway. But are you thinking what I'm thinking? What's that? It should be Shawshank 2 where Rocky goes to that jail and he punches your hero, Andy Dufresne, in the face so many times and that he gets paroled to a hospital. Well, you're onto something. They could do a sequel where Andy gets caught. Yeah. They extradite him back to America. That's my way of saying Shawshank doesn't beat Rocky. Okay? Okay. Yeah.

It's fine. Can I ask your favorite scene in Shawshank? It's got to be the scene where they have the beers on the roof. Oh, that's a feel good scene. Yeah. That's unbelievable scene. It's a great scene. Mine is. For one little moment. Yeah. Every last man in Shawshank fell free. You're good. Come on, dude.

Mine's favorite is when he gets out of the hole after he plays the Mozart. I think it was Mozart. The records. They throw him in the hole for a month. Yeah. And he comes out at lunch and he tells them it was the easiest time he ever served. Yeah. Because of hope. Yeah. And he and Red have that. Haven't you ever felt that way about music? Yeah, yeah. I played a mean harmonica as a younger man. Yeah.

It didn't make much sense in here, though. Yours sounds a little bit like. Here's where it makes the most sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My favorite is when Brooks is working at the grocery store and he goes, boss, can I go to the bathroom? And the guy goes, you don't got to ask me to go to the bathroom. You can just go. 40 years. I think that's red. That wasn't Brooks. I think that was Morgan Freeman. That was Morgan Freeman's character. Yeah. No, Brooks was working at the grocery store. They both were.

Yes. They both worked the same job, bagging groceries. No, but didn't Brooks ask to go to the bathroom? Or was Red asked to go to the bathroom? It was Red that asked to use the bathroom. My memory. Have you even seen Shawshank? No, it was the old man. The lady was getting mad at him because it wasn't bagging the groceries. Right. Double bag. Yeah, double bag. I love that whole thing. I surely will. I apologize. You know, I'm looking to do a new podcast. And my idea for a podcast is that sometimes you'll see an older person

man working at like a McDonald's and we're bagging groceries or something at like your Publix trying to make it so that you guys feel comfortable. So that guy, I don't want to hear what celebrities really have to say because I get it, but it's like that guy. I want to hear, especially if he's not just working there as a, for fun, which I think

that's a lie. Many of those guys are not working there for fun. So how are you here working at this job? You're 80 and you're working this job. That's a podcast. Like me asking them why, or anybody asking them what transpired in your, there's gotta be some kind of a gambling problem, triple divorce. Like there's gotta be a bunch of good stuff in there to get you to that. I think it's going to be, it's going to be on you to bring some levity to that.

of that because that does sound sounds pretty dark no that's part of my probation i mean it's just life you know what i mean like we all go through it we all make different choices whatever and it's like ah i took my shot and now i bag groceries at a public so what it's like i had a boy who could have just had a blast right and now it's like i'm here and i'll figure it out it's a gambit yeah the queen's camera yeah all right uh any other shows we'll talk about

about geniuses as long as they cut uh you know yeah suits is making a bit of a comeback the movie oh you're just talking about we're just talking about suits on the podcast well i didn't push it's being pushed on me but you were talking about it just now talking about wow i zoned out i was talking to laura about it about how i'm watching suits now because it's been netflix does this thing where they bully you until you just do what they want you to do right and they did that and now i'm watching suits and now i can't stop watching suits i never watched the big bang theory

I know it's about geniuses, but I've never watched it. I've watched scenes. I get why people like it. It's very funny. I get it. I can't sit through the... I'm not into the sitcom thing, but no, it's good. But I thought The Office... I think The Office, that was the last wave of sitcoms where I was like, I got to... This is gut laugh funny. 30 Rock, and then The Office was I think the last... Parks and Rec?

Personally, I never really got into, but it was written in that same tone. It's like sharp, great jokes, you know? Yeah. There was a movie with Bradley Cooper. Limitless. And I think they made it also a TV show for a while. I love that one, yeah. Limitless, that's where he took a pill, right? Yeah. The pill, I...

The movie, I mean, Bradley Cooper is great. And the idea of the movie, it got a little muddled as the movie went on. It got muddled, the story. But I love the idea of being able to take a pill and expand. You like the beginning of a lot of movies, but not the end of it. Fight Club. I think you're just falling asleep during these movies. No, I don't like fight clubs. You wake up at the end and you're like, what? Beautiful Mind was great until I fell asleep. And I woke up and I was like, you're winning a Nobel Prize. What is this all about?

But Limitless, he's not a genius. It's all about just him unlocking the 100% of his brain. Right. With a pill, right? With a pill. With a pill. He was a smart guy. And they make a point to mention that in the movie. The drug dealer says it works better when you're already smart. Right. But he's not a genius. Yeah. But it opens his mind up and it changes his life.

Yeah. He actually becomes the man, even with his, his girlfriend breaks up with him because he's not living up to his potential. And then she sees him, they get together for dinner and he's like speaking Italian to the maitre d' and the waitress. And so she's like blown away with how he's maximized himself. Yeah.

Do you watch Seinfeld? Love Seinfeld. The George Costanza, when he became super smart. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. That was a great episode. Yeah. It's a funny point they're trying to make. His girlfriend has like mono or something. So he knows you're not gonna be able to have sex for like a few weeks or whatever. And now that he's not focused on sex, but the point is that that's all men focus on. He becomes a genius because it's mine. Where Elaine...

It was the opposite for her. I forgot what happened, but she gets really dumb. And he's a genius. That's a genius premise. Yeah, absolutely. Have you seen Phenomenon? No. I think I'm having something going on right now with my brain. You've been playing blindfolded chess? I don't know what is going on. John Travolta. But in that, he sees...

like a light in the sky, maybe an alien or whatever. And it comes down and beams him and then he passes out and then he becomes unbelievably smart. So everyone thinks the aliens like came and did something to him to make him a super genius. Turns out he was having like an aneurysm and that was what he was seeing, but it opened his brain to use all the parts of the brain you don't normally use.

I gotta watch Phenomenon. I love stories like that. I really love Limitless. I love the stories like... Somebody suddenly becoming... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fun. I like somebody doing that. That's a good time. Yeah. All right. All right. We did it, Mike. Thank you for stopping by. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate you guys. I had a really good time. We did it. We're gonna be at this weekend. This comes out next week. This comes out next week. We can look at... Oh, Comedy Mothership in Austin. Oh, amazing. Oh, wow. Comedy Mothership in Austin. So if you're in Austin, come see me.

Do you know what night that is? Do I know what, what night? Like, or it's no, it's Friday, Saturday and Sunday comedy mothership. Um, yeah. Mike Vecchione.com for dates. Are we doing plugs now? Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Mike Vecchione.com for dates. I have a bunch of dates on the road and, uh, all over the place. So, um, please come and see me on the road at comic Mike V Vecchione.

I don't have a podcast anymore, so please follow me at Comic Mike V on all social media platforms. Do you know which room you're in? The Fat Man, dude. The Fat Man. You already sold out the Friday show. Get these tickets while you can, ladies and gentlemen. Friday and Saturday, September 29th and 30th. That's awesome. Have you been to that club yet? Yeah, when I did Rogan, I did it. And it's fantastic. It's a fantastic room. I can't wait to do it. Awesome.

Awesome. I'm psyched. At Comic Mike V, I'm sorry I keep driving at home, but I need followers and I need to sell tickets on the road. And we're all... I know you guys do the podcast all the time and you're part of it, but we're all great comics. So please...

come and watch us on the road. So, at Comic Mike V. Thank you, guys. Thanks for having me. This Saturday... That was really sweet. Yeah, it was. Was that sincere or was that sarcastic? No, that's sincere. Even after my set, I'm sarcastic in my set, really heavy and condescending to the crowd. Right. And then at the end, because I'm really very appreciative of them being there and grateful. It's not lost on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Nate's life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tell them that I...

I thank them genuinely. Thank them. Yeah. So, uh, the Saturday I'm in Wilmington, Ohio at the Murphy theater Sunday. I'm in Philadelphia. First time at helium comedy. Whoa. Awesome. Yeah. Time, man. You're gonna watch Rocky. I mean, I've never been to the steps. I've never, I've never been to Philly movies.

That's awesome, dude. Yeah. 4.30 show. So watch the Eagles play, then run over to my show. What time does the Eagles game at? At one. Oh, it'll be over. It'll be over at four, probably. Right at four. Yeah. And then right to a mad dash. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, man.

tomorrow night thursday september 28th i'm in ketchikan alaska at the creek street cabaret nice never been up there before pretty excited about it then this weekend i'm in seattle at hereafter crocodile come on out next week wise guys just come on out we got we got great shows yeah you know yeah take it home aaron

All right. That's it. Thank you. We love you. None of this is lost on us. We love you so much. And yeah. Bye. Nateland is produced by Nateland Productions and by me, Nate Bargetzi, and my wife, Laura, on the Audio Boom platform. Recording and editing for the show is done by Genovations Media. Thanks for tuning in. Be sure to catch us next week on the Nateland Podcast.

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