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But when a spotlight is shown on her inner circle, suspicions begin to fall on her parents and their potential involvement. But are they responsible? Or was it one of the other strange characters in the case? This is the story of Jennifer Pandos. Jennifer Pandos

Jennifer Lynn Pandos was born on October 29, 1971 in Williamsburg, Virginia. She joined parents Margie and Ron Pandos and an older brother named Steven. The family resided in the very nice gated community of Kingsmill in the quiet, quaint city of Williamsburg, Virginia.

As a teenager, Jennifer was well-liked and seemed to have a plethora of friends who described her as fearless and ambitious. However, unfortunately, things weren't so easy at home, which you guys will learn all too well throughout this episode. But basically, Jennifer and Steven's father, Ron Pandos, who owned an accounting practice, was a Vietnam veteran who reportedly suffered from PTSD and had issues controlling his anger.

He was known to strike the kids and even his wife, Margie. His frequent outbursts and penchant for physical violence set the precedent that the household should live in fear and walk on eggshells around him. Stephen recalls spending as much time away from home as possible when he was a child and that he and Jennifer grew up in survival mode.

Shortly before her disappearance, Jennifer wrote in her journal, "'There are great problems in my family. It just doesn't seem that way. The tension in my family is so great. I don't let many people know how I feel inside because I don't care what happens to my family. We were never a family. My parents think they can make us one big happy family. I let them think it's working, but it isn't and it never will.'"

So Stephen moved out of state for college as soon as he was able to, and then he settled in North Carolina. But for younger Jennifer, things weren't going smoothly in her personal life because now she's stuck at home by herself. So the year prior to her disappearance in 1986, 14-year-old Jennifer had started dating a fellow student named Tony Tobler, who was two years her senior and also studied at Lafayette High School.

Tony was new in town, having moved to Williamsburg from Newport News, Virginia to live with his mom. The new kid in town, Jennifer was quite taken with him and recalled being charmed and swept off her feet. However, Tony claims that they were never particularly serious as he was still seeing other people during their relationship, including one of Jennifer's friends, Corey.

But based on their correspondence via letters, as well as the details Jennifer penned in her journal, the two had a strong connection. And though they may not have been together for long, there was a significant amount of history between them. In the summer of 1986, Tony sent dozens of love letters to Jennifer, including writing that he wanted to spend the rest of their lives together, getting married and raising children.

In June of 1986, Tony wrote to Jennifer, quote: Which, obviously, you know, this is a teenager writing this, but comes off as kind of a threat here.

And, you know, while this may be simple hyperbole from a teenager, he was very much infatuated with his girlfriend, in retrospect, it does come off as a little bit of a threat. But things between this young couple soured when in August of 1986, Jennifer, who was just a couple months shy of 15, became pregnant. Jennifer's parents, well, especially her father Ron, were furious at this because Tony was 17 at the time and Jennifer was just 14.

So, Jennifer had an abortion, and her parents instructed her to stay away from Tony so that nothing of the sort happened again. Margie recalled, quote, And then Ron added, quote,

Tony also remembered Ron looking down upon his background and upbringing, telling Jennifer that Tony just wasn't good enough for her. Tony explained, quote,

So after he was forced to end things with Jennifer, Tony began seeing Cory more frequently, but also continued to sneak around with Jennifer, likely unbeknownst to both Cory and Jennifer's parents, and their correspondence via letters continued.

But their relationship, however casual it was at that point in time, struggled under the weight of the unplanned pregnancy. Tony's insecurity about her family's clear bias against him and Jennifer's frustration that he was seeing Corey on the side. And Jennifer's friends claimed that it took a toll on her mental health. But against all odds, they continued their relationship. In a letter that Jennifer wrote to Tony in October of 1986, she hinted at him being violent with her.

Though how serious this was can only be known to them. She wrote, quote,

It's hard to guess where their relationship stood at the time of Jennifer's disappearance, which was just a few months later, but it seems very likely that the two were still seeing each other despite Tony's new girlfriend and Jennifer's parents' wishes that she stay away from him.

In February of 1987, Jennifer was a model student with plenty of friends, and the problems at home were not apparent in her day-to-day life outside of the home. She wasn't known to drink, smoke, do drugs, or sneak out, aside from the occasional liaison with Tony, which she kept under wraps.

She also rarely missed a class and she was never late. On the evening of Monday, February 9th, 1987, as it started to get late, Margie popped into Jennifer's room to say goodnight. And that was the last time that she claimed she saw her daughter. Jennifer spent the evening chatting on the phone with a friend named Sharon, who was believed to be the last person who spoke with Jennifer before she disappeared.

After saying goodnight to Margie, the girls stayed on the phone for a while longer after her parents instructed her to go to bed. And while on the phone, Sharon remembered Ron coming into Jennifer's room screaming at her to end the phone call.

But while the call was still connected, a short shouting match between Jennifer and her father Ron ensued, wherein she called Ron by his first name, and then he snapped at her saying, quote, hang up the goddamn phone. The girls ended their call, vowing to see each other at school the next day, and hung up between 9 and 10 p.m.,

The next morning, Margie claimed she woke up around 6 a.m. when she could normally hear Jennifer in the shower getting ready for school. Wondering if she had overslept, she tried to enter the room to check on her daughter, but found that the door was locked. Now, this was odd and out of character for Jennifer, who was never known to lock her door.

So Margie fetched Ron, who forced his way into the bedroom to find it static and unchanged from the evening prior. Her bed was made, her school belongings and clothes were untouched, and her coat was still there, even in the chilly Virginia winter. The only thing she had taken was her purse. But there were only two items that were out of place in the room.

The blinds over the window, which were disturbed as if someone had been peering to the outside from within the room, and a letter scribbled on notebook paper. The note was penned in red ink and written in slanting, sloppy penmanship as if it was written with a non-dominant hand.

The note contained multiple mistakes that had been scribbled over, but it read, quote, Here are some of Jennifer's quotes.

I'm fine. I just need some time to think. Both of you, please go to work tomorrow because I will try to call you. I won't call at home, only at one of y'all's work. Cancel my doctor's appointment on Friday. Please put money into my bank account. Do not call the police. I can easily find out if you do. And if you do, I may never come back home. Don't tell my friends about this. Just tell them I'm sick.

Please do what I've asked. So it's definitely weird because obviously if somebody wrote this in their non-dominant hand, then you would think that they don't want the letter traced back to them. But if she's just going away for three to five days, then why would you care about that?

Yeah, I mean, the most alarming part of this is the fact that a 15-year-old, it doesn't appear that it's being written from Jennifer's mind. It's written by somebody else because it mentions quotes from Jennifer, right? Which is also a really weird part of it. Like, here's a quote from her. It's not like it's a voice memo. Anybody could write those words. Yeah, exactly. And in my opinion...

It feels all too convenient to have these quotes from Jennifer saying, hey, I'm fine. Don't do this. Don't do that. Go to work tomorrow. It feels like it's intentionally trying to throw people off. Yeah. And yeah, trying to say, wait a few days. It's trying to buy time. Exactly. Yeah. But then also, which remember that. But then also, I want to talk about the fact that it says, cancel my doctor's appointment on Friday. Okay.

Now remember that too when we're talking about who could have written this letter because

I don't think, I honestly don't think that if this really was Jennifer's words that she would even care to mention that. Right. You know, like who cares about your doctor's appointment if you're leaving a ransom note behind? Like that's the last of your worries. But it does kind of pinpoint that this is somebody that would be close to Jennifer because they would have to have some sort of knowledge that she had a doctor's appointment that Friday, right? Exactly. So,

So her parents claim that they were shocked and concerned by this note, but strangely, they neither did what the note said, nor did they contact police. So they simply waited, assuming that Jennifer had written the note herself and that this was a rash attempt at revenge for her fight with her father the night prior.

They also wondered if it was perhaps a teenage girl's reaction to the stress of having gone through an abortion, which was likely very traumatic for her. And then there was the added stress of losing her first boyfriend. But whether or not they were actually concerned, only the Pandoses can know this. But they waited for their daughter to apparently return home and both reported to work the next day.

However, they did not put money in her account as they were instructed to do, and they did not even covertly contact authorities. Jennifer's brother Stephen was a sophomore in college at this time, and recalls Margie calling him to let him know that Jennifer was gone. However, he remembers that she seemed eerily calm, and that she didn't have answers for any of his questions.

he seemed more concerned about Jennifer's welfare than her own parents were.

Similarly, Jennifer's friend Sharon, with whom she was on the phone before her disappearance, called the house the next day, only for Margie to tell her that she was sick and that she couldn't chat. Which is what the letter said to say to friends, so they did do that. Exactly. And the following day, Sharon called again, growing concerned about her friend, a normally punctual and responsible student who had missed two days of school in a row.

Now on the second phone call, Wednesday, February 11th, Sharon was told that Jennifer was out with her father at the moment, and again, just couldn't talk. Finally, on Thursday, February 12th, three days after Jennifer was last seen at home, Sharon called the house yet again and was told that Jennifer was missing.

The last time they saw their daughter was on the evening of Monday, February 9th, 1987, believing her to have gone missing sometime overnight between the 9th and the 10th, but she wasn't reported missing until Friday, February 13th, 1987. Friday the 13th.

Though Margie and Ron say that they now regret their decision to conceal her disappearance from the police for three days, they maintain that they thought that they were doing what was best, abiding by their daughter's request. Margie, who has multiple sisters, also concealed the news from them that their niece was missing.

That's wild. That is so crazy to not even tell, you know, your extended family that your daughter is missing for an entire month. It's pretty suspicious. And Ron actually took years to explain what had happened to his side of the family.

Even weirder. Even weirder. So this began the series of strange behavior that landed Margie and Ron Pandos in the midst of suspicion for decades to come.

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When Jennifer's parents finally spoke with Williamsburg law enforcement, police couldn't help but question why they'd waited so long. The parents explained that they hoped to bring her home by obeying her strange request to go to work and await a phone call, not calling the police and concealing her departure from her friends.

But they couldn't answer for why they had not fulfilled her final request, which was to supplement her bank account, if they were trying to do right by her list of demands. Which makes you wonder if maybe it's because they knew she wouldn't need it. Right. So, Ron claims that he had done a quiet, covert search of the town of Williamsburg, which was home to about 11,000 people at the time, and encompasses nearly 15 square miles or 24 square kilometers.

He even claimed that he had created missing flyers for his daughter, though no one close to Jennifer reported having seen them posted anywhere. So was this the indication of two guilty parents who discovered too late that they should have done more for their missing daughter? Or was it an early admission of fault? Though law enforcement had lost three days of valuable time, arguably the most precious time in the investigation, they attempted to make up for lost ground.

Jennifer's family lived in a gated community, meaning that anyone who left or came in would have had to have been cleared by the security guard, unless they snuck in on foot. Which means they would have had to sneak out on foot as well. Exactly. But Jennifer did, however, live on the first floor suite, which had easy access to the outside with both a door and a window, while her parents were on the second floor, so it is feasible that she could have snuck in or out or even been abducted without her parents hearing much, as it

Right, so getting out of the house could be easy, but then again, how would she get out of the neighborhood unseen? But she wasn't.

I think this is probably because she was a minor, but I am at least glad that police were looking for her despite the letter making it seem like she left on her own accord. Because if she had been over 18, I don't think it would have been the same case. I think they would have not looked for her. Yeah, they would have just said, well, she's an adult. She can do what she wants to do. But the thing that really pisses me off about this case is the fact that she is 15 and

And just thinking about it from a parent's perspective, I'm not a parent, but if I was a parent, I would be...

extremely terrified that something happened to her. I would be doing everything in my power to try and find her, but it just seems like they really don't give a shit. Well, I think it is weird too that it's like, it's one thing to not look for her, not report her to the police. Even if it's like, even though she did say, then I'll never come home, but it's like, okay, well we need to find you and figure out what happened. But even if you put that aside, like,

the fact that they didn't put money in her account to make sure that she could pay for food and other things while she is gone, if that's what happened. And that the dad is saying, or Ron is saying that he put out missing flyers and nobody even saw them. Like there's just some other weird things. Yeah, exactly. And then we go back to the part where, you know, they didn't even covertly try to contact police. Like they weren't even like,

oh, maybe we should, like, just try to talk to the police about this because the letter said, oh, I'll know if you try to contact the police. It's like... Which, how would she know anyway? That's a really weird part of the letter as well. That's what I'm saying. It's like, how would anybody know? How would anybody know? And it would make, like...

If she is trying to get away from the house for a few days, she's not watching the house to see if a police car shows up. So that is a really suspicious part of the letter that makes me even more confident that this is not from Jennifer's hand or mind. Right. But even though police did start looking for her, there was very little effort made. And a year after she went missing, Jennifer's case officially turned cold. Right.

In the six years following her disappearance, 75 tips came in, but none of them led to any substantial developments in the case. And after that, they stopped coming in at all.

And by the way, I know a lot of you guys are probably wondering about the security guard kind of being able to pass through the gated community and seeing who did or didn't, but we are going to talk about that in a little bit. So anyway, one tip placed Jennifer in Tampico, Mexico, where a young woman reported having met a young traveler named Jenny Pandos.

Another reported having met a teen named Jenny Pandos at a woman's clinic in Virginia Beach, supposedly receiving an abortion. So was it possible that Jennifer and Tony got pregnant again and this was true? In 1989, two years after Jennifer vanished, a man claimed to have met a sex worker named Jenny Pandos in Pennsylvania who said she had been working in the industry for about a year.

The man recalled her being covered in cuts and bruises as if she had been beaten up. But as the tips dwindled, so did the leads, and her friends and family were left with what little information Jennifer, or the person who took her, left behind. And that's when her brother Stephen hatched a new theory. The involvement of their parents.

Now, according to Stephen, quote,

So based on inconsistencies in their stories and their odd behaviors in the days following Jennifer's departure, Stephen began to suspect his own parents had something to do with Jennifer's disappearance. And this began to drive a wedge between him and his parents, or an even bigger wedge, and began a decades-long quest for answers and justice that is still ongoing today. Frustratingly, Jennifer's

Jennifer's case wasn't looked at again until 2003, but more alarmingly, her case file had been lost. A few years later in 2006, the case was assigned to Sergeant Wendy Reed, who took it upon herself to find answers for the family, whether or not Jennifer's parents were involved.

In a renewed effort to seek answers for the family, Virginia State Police hired a criminal profiler to build out a description of the type of person who would commit a crime like this. Criminal profiler Kenneth Morris recalled of Jennifer's disappearance, quote, "...with this case here, of course, there was no crime scene. I looked at the letter that was left in her bedroom, and by reading that, I was able to come up with a profile."

There's intimate knowledge contained within that note. Doctors' appointments, bank accounts, things that only Jennifer, or someone who knows Jennifer, would be familiar with. It's pretty much, I'm leaving with a father figure, I'll come back, I'll contact you in a few days. It's written to delay the investigation. It's not realistic. It's something you might see in a Nancy Drew or Murder, She Wrote.

Kenneth called the note both juvenile and amateur and guessed that it had been staged. He continued, quote,

Awkward wording and the use of quotes highly suggest Jennifer's contribution was absent during the formation of the letter.

There's no evidence to the claim of a devoted stranger. No close friends were aware of this man, and the writing style suggests a distant, emotionally detached, loveless writer. The inclusion of personal information in the letter suggests the writer had an extremely close relationship to Jennifer. It can thereby be averred that the letter is an instrument created to facilitate a staged crime scene.

Based on this premise, your most plausible offender would be one or both of the parents. Well, the lead investigator on this case, Wendy Reed, also brought in an expert in handwriting analysis. And after scouring the note for any clues as to who in Jennifer's life may have penned it, the expert ruled out Ron and even ruled out Jennifer.

The penmanship was so specific that she didn't believe Jennifer could have achieved that specific script even with her non-dominant hand, which would have been her right hand. However, the expert surmised based on samples that the note could have been written by Margie, who again is Jennifer's mom.

So with this, Steven began to suspect that Ron had killed her by accident in a fit of rage, and that working quickly to cover their tracks, Margie had written the strange letter and concocted the story that Jennifer didn't desire to be found.

And remember, the last thing that she did before she supposedly went to bed that night was talk to her friend Sharon on the phone. And what was the last thing that happened in their phone call? Her dad was screaming at her. She called her dad by his first name. Right, the big fight. Yeah, yeah, they had a huge argument. So it's definitely easy to picture that the fight went wrong and that the mom, Margie, helped cover it up.

Right, and we know that Ron was extremely abusive. So is it possible that he accidentally killed his daughter and then forced Margie to write this letter or else he was going to do something to Margie? Who knows? Or maybe they both were in on it. But I don't want to speculate too much on that. But yeah, in the letter, the fact that it has something to do with father figure...

kind of is alarming to me and kind of piques my interest because of the fact that she called her dad Ron the night prior and maybe he felt like he was extremely disrespected by her you know not calling him dad it is a weird thing to add in the note though because if this person was a father figure why would they say that like why would you want to

Yeah, like, I'm a father figure. Don't you think they're going to go look at anybody in Jennifer's life that could be considered a father figure? Yeah, it is really strange.

So after all of this, Stephen hired a private investigator named Donnie Norell, who connected with one of the original detectives on the case, whose name is Jeff Valines, and together Donnie and Jeff hatched the theory that perhaps Ron was able to procure the police file through his connections to the police department, rendering it as lost.

Now, apparently Ron was friends with the chief of security for the Kingsmill Gated community in which they lived, and the security guard's wife worked for the police department, so that could be how things, or how at least Ron was able to get a hold of that file. But obviously, we do not know that for sure.

Though the Pandoses had divorced and moved out of the townhome years prior, Wendy Reed led an investigation of the grounds of their townhome, including the deck which Jennifer's room led onto, and which would have provided a convenient shelter for a fresh grave if Jennifer hadn't made it out of her home alive on the night that she vanished.

In addition to the efforts of the police officers, Wendy also employed cadaver dogs specifically to search the deck area. Now, the dogs did indicate to the area underneath the patio, but they were not able to locate any remains. In a relentless effort to find answers for Jennifer, Wendy also requested that both Margie and Ron submit a polygraph test.

Though they both agreed to take them, they both failed the examination. In Margie's words, she, quote, In March of 2007, Wendy phoned Margie multiple times to talk about developments in Jennifer's case. But Wendy noted that instead of calling back after receiving seven missed calls from her, Margie instead emailed her former husband, saying that she had just received a call from Wendy Reed...

and that she wanted to speak with him before she called back. That's so weird. I mean, you would think, and everybody's experience is different, but speaking from my own kind of experience, my mom's sister went missing, which a lot of you guys know, but talking to my mom and grandma about it, anytime they got a call from a detective, they spoke to them regularly.

right away because you never know what they're going to say, what they're going to ask. You want to be helpful because if you help them, they might be able to help you. Yeah, and answers could be coming with that next phone call. You just never know. But also seven phone calls and then to not answer, to not call back, but then

Yeah, kinda seems like it. Well, Ron responded by asking her what she thought was going on and if she was okay, which Wendy found exceedingly suspicious. She couldn't fathom why the parents of a missing person were impeding the investigation to locate their missing daughter. Exactly.

The Pandoses also moved away from Williamsburg following their divorce and took years to call the police station and give out their new information so that they could be tracked down if there were any advancements made in Jennifer's case. It's like, why are you moving away and then you're not staying in contact with the only people that can help you find your daughter? Do you even care? So all of this strange behavior following the disappearance seemed to point to the parents, but maybe it wasn't that simple.

It is still possible that Jennifer left of her own accord or maybe took her own life. But if those were the case, why would she leave that note? And who wrote it for her? You know, like I think in this case, knowing what a tumultuous home she lived in, it's easy to think, oh, maybe she ran away from home so that she could get away from the abuse, right? Especially because her brother had moved out and maybe she wanted to do that too. But honestly,

I can't see her doing that and at least not telling her brother, Stephen. Like her brother, Stephen, hired a private investigator. He did all these things. He wouldn't do that if he knew that Jennifer was out there somewhere alive. And you would also imagine that at least after she became a legal adult, she would have told the police department or her parents that she did run away. Like to go away forever doesn't make any sense to me, especially with this weird note.

And actually more on Stephen's kind of search for Jennifer. So in 2023, so last year, HBO produced a four-part documentary series on Jennifer's disappearance called Burden of Proof, which followed Stephen on his quest for justice for his younger sister. The documentary chronicles seven years of research and investigation and heavily features both Wendy and Stephen who have been leading the crusade for information.

Initially, Stephen was brutally honest with the filmmakers that he blamed his parents for Jennifer's disappearance and likely death. He hadn't spoken to either of them in years, even keeping his children from them based on the assumption that they were to blame. But the renewed efforts in the investigation due to the documentary revealed two explosive new theories.

Stephen and Wendy's investigative efforts tracked down a lead that was never followed up on. One of Tony Tobler's friends who claimed Tony had killed Jennifer. In recent years, Tony's childhood friend Charlie May served a sentence for an assault charge in Florida and since then was homeless and a bit of a vagrant.

Charlie claimed that Tony confessed to the crime back in 1987, claiming that he had killed Jennifer and then left her to dissolve in a vat of acid. By the way, 1987 is the year after Jennifer went missing. So why Charlie hadn't come forward with this apparent information sooner is a mystery. But based on his criminal history, he seems like a super unreliable source. And Stephen and Wendy even questioned whether or not Charlie himself was involved.

The reason we mentioned all of Tony's letters earlier and kind of harped on them is because Tony's handwriting was also measured against the handwriting left on the note by a handwriting expert and tested for his DNA. But both tests were inconclusive. Charlie's DNA comparison proved inconclusive as well. And Tony participated in the documentary himself, as did Corey, to whom he's actually now married to.

When questioned about his involvement in Jennifer's disappearance, Tony responded, quote, He also mused, quote,

Both Margie and Ron believed that Tony was involved, though they couldn't explain why. Interesting. Yeah, very interesting. I think he's kind of an easy one to suspect at first, maybe because maybe you think, oh, she ran away with Tony because they were...

kind of barred from being together and he had gotten her pregnant and the parents didn't want them to be together at all. So it does make sense. You could think that. And of course, you know, he was cheating on her and going back and forth with Corey and Jennifer. Right. And then like you had mentioned earlier in that one letter, he kind of seemed to threaten her. Like if you're with another dude, I'm going to kill you and him. So,

you know, it's easy to kind of think of him as doing it, but if there's no evidence of him coming in or going out of the community, and again, why would he kill her? Like, he wanted to be with her, even though their relationship wasn't very serious and he was seeing somebody else, seeing another girl, again, who he ended up marrying. So why would, what would be his reason for killing Jennifer? Yeah, I don't think that there would really be a motive there unless, like,

And possibly he had gotten her pregnant again when he was now with Corey and wanted to basically cover that situation up. Who knows? But but also I really do want to go back to this this gated community and talk about it for a minute. So let's do that.

So first of all, Daphne, you said that you used to live in a gated community as well and that, you know, eventually they would get to know people who were coming in and out. But if it was someone that they had never seen before, you had to stop at the gate, let them know who you are. So wouldn't they have a list of people who went in and out of that gate on that night? Yeah, I don't know what it was like to live in a gated community in the 80s, but in the 90s and early 2000s, so...

I don't know. I feel like I just remember that, you know, they would get to know you. I mean, I didn't I was a kid. I didn't drive. So like, for example, I'm driving in the car with my mom or my dad and we come up to the gate and the security guard looks at us and waves and opens the gate because he knows us because we live there.

But if you don't know somebody, then you drive up to the gate and the gate is closed and you can't get through it unless the security guard opens it. So then you would say, I'm going to this house. If you're not on the list, then they have to call the house and say, do you, you know, do you agree to let this person into your, into the community, into your home? So they, they would have to do that unless you were on an approved list, but then there would be evidence of that too. Yeah. So,

Also, yes, you can get in and out by foot technically, right? It is a gated community. It's not a prison, but...

That just doesn't seem like a plausible way to enter or exit, which is why if the parents are involved, it would make more sense if they buried her somewhere on the property, but they didn't find her remains, though the cadaver dog did alert to an area. Yeah, right. Or it's possible that if the parents were involved, they could have possibly put her in the trunk of the car and got out of the gated community safely.

very easily and then dumped her body elsewhere but... And they don't record who leaves. It's just like anybody's allowed to leave, right? You don't have to talk to the guy to go. So if they did leave and then they came back in, if you did drive back in though, they would need, the security guard would need to see your face to know if you A, live there or B, are a visitor. And so...

that would have been logged. And I wish we had that information of if that happened with the parents or what the security guard has to say. But again, this dude was friends.

Yeah, and there just seems to be such a lack of information regarding this security guard and that night who came and went from the community. It's just, you know, it's hard not knowing who entered and who left that gated community that night. It's a really important piece of this story that is just not available. Yeah.

Well, back to the letter. So thankfully, Jennifer's original note survived being lost with the rest of the case file. Four different Y chromosomes were recovered from the note, which would have had to have belonged to a male, but because it had been so mishandled in the years following Jennifer's disappearance, DNA and fingerprint tests were inconclusive.

Revisiting the note, the handwriting expert hired to work for the documentary stated that she doesn't actually believe that Margie could have written it. And Steven was forced to question beliefs that he had maintained for almost four decades. But let's get into another kind of strange theory here. So, another suspect offered by the documentary was Carrie Hendricks, a local father who Jennifer used to babysit for.

Jennifer's friends recall how inappropriate he was with her, openly hitting on her and the other young women who worked for him, as well as purchasing alcohol for them. But get this, it gets even stranger, so Carrie also had a history of violence against women, including kidnapping and attempted rape.

Carrie's involvement would certainly explain the father figure portion of Jennifer's note. Again, the why would you admit that? Yeah, right. But a lack of evidence kept him from being connected to the case. In 2019, a grand jury heard evidence about the disappearance of Jennifer Pandos.

Charlie May and Tony Tobler were both in attendance, but again, a lack of evidence kept any convictions or public information at bay. So Margie and Ron divorced in the 1990s, and Ron moved to Texas and remarried. He was actually caught embezzling funds in excess of $54,000 and sentenced to three years in prison, of which he served one.

He remarried a third time and now resides in Oklahoma. Margie now lives in Charlotte, near where Stephen lives. And Stephen continues to fight for justice for his sister, saying, quote, The case file was eventually located, but has brought no answers for Jennifer.

Wendy Reed is now retired but still maintains a website and a Facebook page for updates on Jennifer's case. Jennifer Lynn Pandos is described as weighing about 100 pounds and standing at 5 feet 2 inches tall. She had brown hair, hazel eyes, and a mole on her left shoulder.

If you have any information on her case, please call the James City County Police Department at 757-253-1800. ♪♪♪

Thank you so much, everybody, for listening to this episode of Going West. Yes, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. And on Tuesday, we'll have an all-new case for you guys to dive into. This is a tough case because of, you know, some of the pertinent information not being public information at this time, since it's an unsolved case. But it's a tough case.

It's so hard because I also hate suspecting parents in any case because everybody acts differently under stress and grief. And it's hard to know whether or not they were involved based on the information that we have. But I think it's a little easier for me to kind of suspect them because of the abuse in the household. So it's kind of like, fuck you anyway. I was going to say that. Ron didn't seem like a very good father. I mean, he...

he beat his wife, he beat his kids. Yeah, absolutely. So, but I still do kind of feel like that theory makes the most sense to me. Um, but I'd love to hear what everybody else thinks. So go follow us on our socials and comment on our posts with whatever your theories are, your thoughts. We're on Instagram at going West podcast, Twitter at going West pod. And we're also on Facebook. All right, guys. So for everybody out there in the world, don't be a stranger. Yeah.

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