What is going on, true crime fans? I'm your host, Heath. And I'm your host, Daphne. And you're listening to Going West. Hello, everybody. Hope you're having a great day. Big thank you to Brian for recommending today's case.
This one has a really devastating and kind of interesting element to it with the cameras that are involved. That's not something that we see a lot. I mean, a lot of the cases we cover do involve surveillance footage, but this attack was actually caught on surveillance footage, which I feel like we never see. Yes, and it's one of those cases that you absolutely should share with
It really, really does need answers. And there is just some very interesting thoughts and theories involved in this case. So let's not waste any more time. Let's talk about this one. Let's do it. All right, guys, this is episode 390 of Going West. So let's get into it. ♪♪♪
It's that time of the year. Your vacation is coming up. You can already hear the beach waves, feel the warm breeze, relax, and think about...
Work. You really, really want it all to work out while you're away. Monday.com gives you and the team that peace of mind. When all work is on one platform and everyone's in sync, things just flow. Wherever you are, tap the banner to go to Monday.com.
When it comes to weight loss, no two people are the same. That's why Noom builds personalized plans based on your unique psychology and biology. Take Brittany. After years of unsustainable diets, Noom helped her lose 20 pounds and keep it off. I was definitely in a yo-yo cycle for years of just losing weight, gaining weight, and it was exhausting. And Stephanie. She's a former D1 athlete who knew she couldn't out-train her diet, and she lost 38 pounds.
My relationship to food before Noom was never consistent. And Evan, he can't stand salads, but he still lost 50 pounds with Noom. I never really was a salad guy. That's just not who I am. Even through the pickiness, Noom taught me that building better habits builds a healthier lifestyle. I'm not doing this to get to a number. I'm doing this to feel better.
Get your personalized plan today at Noom.com. Real Noom users compensated to provide their story. In four weeks, the typical Noom user can expect to lose one to two pounds per week. Individual results may vary.
In March of 2013, a 53-year-old nurse was stabbed to death by a hooded figure in broad daylight outside of her lawyer's office in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. With the help of the attack and flee being caught on multiple surveillance cameras, an intense investigation began to hunt down the culprit of her brutal murder. ♪
This is the story of Aliza Sherman. Aliza Caroline Zinn was born on September 6, 1959 in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, which is just northeast of downtown Cleveland and not far from Lake Erie. Aliza was one of four joining older brothers Harry, Ed, and Steve to parents Doris and Albert Zinn, who had an incredibly harrowing backstory because both of them were
Both Doris and Albert were survivors of the Holocaust and lost most of their immediate families in Auschwitz.
After they were able to immigrate to the United States, they settled in the Cleveland area and began their own family, who were raised to be loyal and loving, which are qualities that the siblings maintained into adulthood. Her brother Ed recalled, quote,
The family's faith was central in their lives, so all four children attended Hebrew Academy for elementary school. And Aliza continued her faith-based education as the only one to attend a Jewish high school, which was Yovna High. After attending the Haran School of Nursing in 1981, she was passionate about starting a career where she could help people.
Aliza loved children, so she began her work in healthcare as a labor and delivery nurse. But eventually, she shifted to working as an IVF nurse at the prestigious Cleveland Clinic, and she really loved it there. The year after she graduated nursing school, Aliza married an ophthalmologist named Dr. Sanford Sherman. And aside from both working in the medical field, the two had a ton in common, actually including the fact that Sanford was also the child of Dr. Sanford.
of Holocaust survivors. - Yeah, that's a really interesting part of this story, the fact that the two of them met and connected on the fact that both of their parents had been Holocaust survivors. I mean, it's just really interesting to know. - It's a horrible thing to have in common, but I'm sure that it helped them bond a lot that their families came from very similar struggles.
So the couple settled in the Cleveland suburb of Beachwood, Ohio, and they had four children together. Jason, Jennifer, Jeremy, and Josh. Aliza is remembered as a loving and doting mother, and her children called her the sweetest person they knew.
Jennifer said later, quote, she was my hero. I was in awe of her. She was the most selfless person I have ever known who did everything to help other people and lift other people up without ever expecting anything in return. In their community, the Shermans appeared to have it all. You know, they were both enjoying successful careers in health care as well as creating a beautiful family and home.
But here's the thing, Aliza's many friends basically say otherwise. Her best friend Jan described the marriage as emotionally abusive. She even claimed that Aliza didn't feel safe with her husband Sanford, and that the police had apparently reported to their home multiple times in the midst of arguments between the two. Jan called Sanford controlling and possessive, saying that she wasn't safe in their home, and that he'd even been physical with Aliza in the past.
Now, in 2010, Samford admitted to having an affair, and this affair had been going on for the past four years. And the next year, in 2011, Aliza emailed the rabbi at her son Jeremy's high school, where he was the sophomore at the time, urging him to grade her son on a pass-fail basis, basically explaining that his grades were suffering due to turmoil in the home.
Now, in her email, she wrote to the rabbi, quote,
Now, their children also recalled the couple's disagreements from a very young age. Their son Jason said later, quote, quote,
In June of 2011, Aliza had had enough, and the two began navigating a very difficult divorce that was plagued by setbacks and conflict. Later, poring over Aliza's journal entries, which carefully documented the entire ordeal, Jan reflected, quote,
While in the midst of the divorce proceedings, Aliza also described that Sanford had been socking away millions of dollars into a private Merrill Lynch account that he had opened up in her name in May of 2000. And Aliza never had any knowledge of this account, nor access to this account.
Four years later, in 2004, he forged power of attorney to gain access to the bank account, despite the fact that it was in Aliza's name. By 2010, he had drained the account of the $2 million that he had deposited into it. Which just makes you wonder, what on earth is that money for? Yeah, it's so weird and so suspicious that he's keeping these accounts from his own wife. But during her early divorce proceedings, Aliza learned what that money had been used for.
Her daughter Jennifer's lawyer Adam Freed later alleged that quote, these transferred assets were not used for family purposes and were in part used for strippers, paramours, and to settle a defamation lawsuit that Aliza never even knew about.
So it's like he has this whole separate situation that he is completely hiding from his wife and his family, doing all of these things in secrecy and even tying Aliza to it by opening an account in her name to store this money in.
Yeah, so strange. Well, the defamation lawsuit also came, obviously, as a big surprise to Aliza and her children. Because somehow, with the aid of the secret account, Sanford had managed to suppress any word of the legal disputes that he was facing.
The lawsuit alleged that Sanford met an exotic dancer in Boca Raton, Florida in 2006. And at some point between 2007 and 2009, he traveled to New York City on a business trip and flew her up to be with him. While there, he assumed the identity of his own cousin in order to cover his tracks and made inappropriate sexual advances towards this woman.
He then threatened to kill the dancer and her father if she did not comply with his wishes. And in the end, this suit was settled out of court with hush money paid from Sanford's secret account. I mean, $2 million, especially like that is a lot of money.
to secretly shuffle away from your wife and family. And I know that it was used for hush money, but I'm curious if it was set up for that purpose in the beginning, like if he had planned on using this in case he got in trouble somehow. Well, it seems like, just according to the lawyer saying, like it was used for strippers and paramours and to settle the lawsuit, it seemed like he probably did have a separate account so he could spend money more freely on hush
you know, such things, such things. I don't know what to say. Yeah. Whatever you want to call it. Right. To keep it secret. And then when he took out the 2 million, that was, that was for this lawsuit. So it's like he ended up just being able to use this secret account that he was eventually found out for, but to try to do all of this under the nose of your wife and family, it's,
It's just, it's a wild part of this story. So as all of this information trickled out, Aliza was even more horrified by the man that she had spent the last 30 years of her life with. But she told friends that she felt strong-armed into staying with him because their youngest son still lived at home. So they agreed to share the house until the divorce was finalized, but they did stay in separate bedrooms.
But his predatory behavior grew worse as their divorce grew closer. On January 16th, 2012, Aliza wrote in an email to a friend, quote, I am really afraid. I think he is going to do something really bad. I am really afraid he is going to have me killed.
Now, regardless of how contentious their divorce was and how rocky their relationship had been for decades, Sanford still seemed to want to work things out between them and urged Aliza to seek couples counseling with him, which, you
You know, we see a lot. So from an outsider's perspective, this seems kind of like a power move, you know? Yeah, definitely. Not necessarily maybe that he actually wants to stay in the relationship, but he doesn't want it to fail on top of him. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it's like if he is the one who brings this up and makes the effort, then...
maybe he can kind of like manipulate her to stay saying, oh, I'll be better. You know, I'm going to do better. But I think at this point, Elise is like, you know, 30 years, like we've done this for 30 years and nothing has been getting better. So let's just move forward with this plan. Yeah. And she she feels unsafe in her own home. So, you know, as she should, she should be able to leave. So she declined wanting to do couples counseling. She just seemed to really want to get out of this awful relationship.
So after she filed for divorce, Sanford wrote her a letter that read, quote, please get marriage counseling with me and save this marriage of four Holocaust survivors.
But for Aliza, they were way too far gone. So in response to this, Aliza wrote to her attorney, quote, I think after 28 plus years of trying, I gave it a fair shot. If I had 1% hope that something could improve, I would agree to the counseling, but I know this is all an act to mess with my head.
Despite the past year and a half of her life being ruined by disputes and friction between she and Sanford, 53-year-old Aliza seemed to have a positive outlook on her future as a single woman. Shortly before her divorce trial, she texted her brother, quote,
Just a very, very eerie comment, especially knowing what is going to happen. Yeah, it's unintentionally foreboding, but it also really shows how she was feeling about her relationship to say that. And it's just devastating that she was in that situation. But she was almost on the other side of it. Yeah, I was going to say she almost had the opportunity to live this new life that she wanted.
So, on the afternoon of March 24th, 2013, Aliza headed to a meeting with her lawyer, Gregory Moore, in downtown Cleveland. Now, he had texted her earlier that morning, asking her to come to his office to prep for the trial, which was coming up in just two days. Aliza let her friend Jan know that she was heading in for a meeting, and Jan basically asked if she should join her, but Aliza declined, just hoping that this meeting would be brief.
Now, Aliza was supposed to be meeting her lawyer Greg in his office, but when she arrived, she found that it was locked and her calls to him were going unanswered. So with this, she just decided to head back to her car to wait out his arrival on that very cold evening. And that's when she was accosted by an assailant dressed in black from head to toe, wielding a knife.
Shortly before 5.30 p.m., so two hours before sunset, so it's still daylight, Aliza was walking in front of 75 Erie View Plaza, just blocks from the shores of Lake Erie, in what's normally a very bustling business district.
even on a Sunday evening, because in this area, it's home to many hotels, bars, and restaurants that would have been open at this time. But somehow, her attack went unnoticed until it was too late. As Aliza walked to her car in front of the business plaza, a suspect, shrouded in all black, including a mask and gloves, rushed to her, clearly surprising her.
The vicious attack was quick and calculated, with Aliza being stabbed 11 times, including blows to her face, right ear, back, and her neck, causing her to collapse to the ground. And just as quickly as this attack took place, Aliza's killer fled from the Erie View Plaza in a frantic jog.
Kenny Shepard, who is a man inside a nearby building, heard Elisa's shrieks for help and ran to her aid. And as awful as this is to think about, he recounted later that she was bleeding from her mouth and kept repeating the phrase, help me. He also recalled her saying that she thought that she was dying.
As he placed an urgent 911 call, Kenny told Aliza, stay on the ground, don't move, don't get on your feet. He remembers pleading with her, don't die, lady, stay with me, okay? I hear them, I hear them. Lady, stay with me, all right? They're coming. To the dispatcher, he reported, quote, I've never seen this much blood.
Kenny later spoke of his frustration that he sought help from a nearby police officer as well as the security guard of an adjacent building before, you know, the ambulance eventually arrived. And they both brushed him off. That part of the story really pisses me off because he's frantic. He's, you know, he doesn't know what to do. He's just this citizen that stumbled upon this horrific scene and this horrific attack. And I really, really feel for Kenny because I can't even imagine...
Yeah, it was hindered because...
Yeah, how many more things could go wrong in this attempt to save her life? Like a fire truck shows up, a police officer is brushing off the only, you know, the person that's trying to help this victim. And it's just like, it's insane to think about this scene. I know. Well, when she was transferred to Metro Health Medical Center, her injuries were too severe and she passed away less than an hour later. Wow.
Meanwhile, her son Jeremy was waiting at home for his mom to return with a pizza after telling him that she would just be running errands that afternoon and she'd be home by dinner. So as their typical dinner time came around and went, Jeremy began to grow concerned when his mom didn't come through the door. When he reached out to his sister Jennifer, she hadn't heard from their mother either, which was a pretty rare occurrence in a very close relationship.
So she tried her mom, Aliza's divorce attorney, Greg Moore, who is the guy that Aliza went down to go meet. Yeah, who never showed up, by the way. Right. And we're going to talk about that later, actually. And she also reached out to her grandmother, Doris, who did live in Florida most of the year. But Doris spoke with her daughter, Aliza, on a daily basis. So Jennifer's just kind of thinking maybe grandma will know where mom is. And when Jennifer spoke with them, she learned that no one had heard from Aliza. Yeah.
As Jennifer set out in her car to look for her mom herself, she received another call from Jeremy, her brother, telling her that police were on their way to their parents' house to speak with the family, which just made them both fear the worst. Detectives arrived at the home and delivered the shocking news to Jennifer, Jennifer's boyfriend, and Jeremy, who were all waiting in the driveway while their father Sanford was inside the home.
At the time, Jennifer was estranged from her father, apparently due to his treatment of her mother and his just unconscionable behavior throughout the divorce proceedings, so she didn't want to be in the house with him. I mean, very understandable. Absolutely. At this point, right? So when police arrived on the scene minutes after the attack, they secured the area just hoping to catch a glimpse of the murderer or talk to somebody who did. But they found no sign that anyone had been in the vicinity.
However, in the days following this horrific attack and murder, investigators discovered that a security camera from a nearby parking garage had captured both the assailant fleeing the scene and the murder itself. Now, because the attacker was clad head to toe in black,
it was basically impossible for investigators to surmise a description, the race, or even the gender of the murderer. Also, I just wanted to state that many have commented that based on the gait and manner of the walk, it appears as if the suspect is actually a woman. Though others have reflected that because of the brutal nature of this crime, I mean, 11 stab wounds,
that it's most likely going to be a man. Yeah, and in the video that's available, like you can't see the actual attack, which none of us would need to see anyway, but in the corner of one camera, you can see this person running away from the scene towards the camera and then also away from it.
And it's really eerie because their face is completely dark because of the hood. And it's, don't you think, Keith, it's hard to tell anything about their physique because of the kind of bulky hoodie outfit that they're wearing? Yeah, I was going to say, it seems like this attacker had on this very large jacket. So when police said that it's almost impossible to tell anything
It's true. I mean, it's very hard to tell if this person was thin or... Yeah, you can't tell their body shape. And from their run, it's definitely a fumbly jog. They're kind of wiggling side to side a lot, which is, I think, why people think it's a woman, because there's a lot of flailing. Not that every woman runs like that, but... No, yeah, I was going to say that the attacker's arm is kind of out, and it's kind of going back and forth, kind of flailing around. Yeah.
And so it does kind of seem like that might. But I mean, who knows? It's so hard to speculate on that. Yeah, I think it's important to kind of try to analyze it for sure. But it really does feel impossible to tell, you know. So just so you guys, in case you want to see it, we're going to post it on our socials. So you can go check it out and let us know what you think. Because it is so incredible that this footage exists because it at least helps us.
paint the picture of what happened. If there was no footage at all, we would have absolutely no idea what happened. Oh, yeah, especially with just how quickly the suspect left that vicinity of the crime. Exactly. It's very telling to what type of murder that this was, as we're going to get into as well. But, you know, whether it was a man or a woman, police noted that it seemed that they were of medium height,
generally a slim build and had no noticeable items of clothing on their person. So that was all police could really come up with.
Within weeks, as leads were scarce, police released the footage of the murderer rushing away from the scene of the crime, captured on the security footage from a nearby parking garage. So that is where this footage comes from. That's why from the footage itself, you can't see Aliza on the one that's out there because...
is from a parking garage where the attack itself is not visible. And again, the footage of her actual murder, which was caught as well, was not released to the public for obvious reasons. Now, according to police who analyze every second of the horrifying videos for clues, Aliza's assailant seemed to be running toward her from East 9th Street.
They surprised her, stabbed her 11 times, and then fled the scene just as quickly as they entered it, like Heath said, escaping down 12th Street, where the parking lot video cameras captured them running from the scene.
Investigators were relieved at the discovery of the surveillance footage, of course, hoping that this meant a swift investigation, especially if they were able to capture where this person went by following the cameras nearby. They are feeling confident that they're going to figure out exactly who this person is.
If you guys are like me and Heath, one of your least favorite questions is, what are we going to have for dinner tonight? Hate that question. It is just a daily battle. So then we inevitably order takeout, but the problem with takeout is that it's rarely healthy. So how nice does it sound to enjoy a home-cooked meal without the stress of planning ahead, going to the store, and putting all the ingredients together, not to mention...
coming up with a creative idea of what you're going to eat. This is why Heath and I love Home Chef. Home Chef provides fresh ingredients and chef-designed recipes conveniently delivered to your doorstep to simplify your cooking experience. Something I love about Home Chef is that they offer 30 options a week and serve a variety of dietary needs, which is good for vegetarians like me and beyond. And it's good for the whole family.
For a limited time, Home Chef is offering Going West listeners 18 free meals plus free dessert for life. And of course, free shipping on your first box. Go to HomeChef.com slash Going West. That's HomeChef.com slash Going West for 18 free meals and free dessert for life. You heard that right. HomeChef.com slash Going West. Must be an active subscriber to receive free dessert.
So, as you guys know, we are kind of in the transition between summer and fall. And I'm sure a lot of you guys are getting ready for the fall season, trying to update your wardrobe. And luckily, Quince offers timeless and high-quality items that we adore, ensuring that our wardrobe stays fresh
And we don't blow our entire budget. Yeah, he's talking like cashmere sweaters from $50, pants for every occasion, washable silk tops, and so much more. I love how simple and elegant all their clothes are. It's so easy for anybody to wear and the quality is unmatched. And something that is super important to me is that Quince only works with factories that use safe, ethical, and responsible manufacturing practices.
Plus, premium fabrics and finishes. They are truly the best. Make switching seasons a breeze with Quince's high-quality closet essentials. Go to quince.com slash goingwest for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. That's q-u-i-n-c-e dot com slash goingwest to get free shipping and 365-day returns. quince.com slash goingwest
Go to your happy place for a happy price. Go to your happy price, Priceline.
Get started with Greenlight today and get your first month free at greenlight.com slash Spotify.
So police tried and tried to track down the perpetrator using various cameras, but unbelievably, this person just vanished and wasn't able to be traced getting into a car or ending up wherever they did. So in the wake of the tragedy, as detectives investigated the case, Aliza's family gathered to celebrate her life.
Her brothers, children, and friends just couldn't believe the violent and senseless end to such a beautiful and peaceful existence. Because Eliza's mom Doris was suffering at the time from severe health setbacks, her brothers decided to wait a few days to inform her that her daughter was murdered. But before Eliza's brother Ed had even known that his sister had been murdered, Doris seemed to sense that something was off.
Now, Ed recalls, quote,
which was kind of scary in a way. And that is before, you know, Jennifer ever called her later that night asking if she had heard from her. So the fact that she had been saying that before anybody had any inkling of something happening to Elisa before,
is really one of those like mother's intuition moments that we see on this show a lot. Yeah, we've talked about that plenty of times, how moms can usually sense that something is wrong. But still, Ed waited until the end of March, so about a week to inform her of what had happened to Aliza. And as he expected, Doris was just beyond devastated at the loss of her only daughter. Ed continued sadly, quote,
It was bad enough that I had to know this, but how in the world was I gonna tell my mother? It's a very violent crime. Imagining Aliza lying there, bleeding to death, it's difficult to imagine. She didn't die suddenly. I think she suffered. I'm convinced that she was thinking about her mother and her children at that moment when it happened.
My biggest concern was, how am I going to tell my mother? A lady who went through the Holocaust, that her daughter, who she's been so close to, and looking forward to going back to see in Cleveland. I mean, that was the plan, as soon as Aliza's divorce was over. So, I didn't call my mother that night.
Aliza's estranged husband Sanford was present at the funeral, though fellow attendees recall that he did not seem nearly as affected as they would have expected him to be, despite their impending divorce. Because remember, those close to Aliza say that he was constantly trying to manipulate her into staying with him. And also, you have to remember that they had been together for nearly 30 years. Yeah, and they were still living together. So they were together for a very long time. They shared children and...
and they still saw each other on a regular basis. So it was at this time that divisions within the family began to grow deeper. Each of the children made a speech mourning the loss of their mother, but in Josh's speech, he attempted to actually clear his father's name and write his reputation.
Attendees recall him saying, quote,
Jennifer sat Shiva for her mom in her own home instead of in her parents because she apparently didn't want to spend any excess time around her father. You know, she was very loyal to her mom in that way. And she even moved Jeremy in with her until he finished high school so that he didn't have to continue living with their dad either.
Jennifer was a nursing student at the time who, like her mom, was working at the Cleveland Clinic. And of course, she was grieving and feeling so overwhelmed at the time, so she did take a step back from both to mourn the major loss. And her brother Jason, who was attending medical school, almost did the same but was encouraged by Jennifer to keep going.
She recalls, quote, Two weeks after Aliza's death, her family and friends held a vigil for her at the scene of her murder, and with the help of Cleveland Crimestoppers, they raised a $25,000 reward for information leading to an arrest.
After carefully scrutinizing the footage of both videos, the Cleveland police chief announced that Cleveland police were confident that this had been a targeted and planned attack leveled against Elisa. Law enforcement even questioned whether she had been set up by someone with a fake meeting at her attorney's office that never came to fruition or that she may have been a victim of a hit.
Now, they never were able to recover the murder weapon, but they did note that the knives in Aliza and Sanford's home did not appear to be a match for the murder weapon, just based on the injuries that Aliza sustained.
Also, on top of this, robbery was ruled out immediately because her necklace, diamond-encrusted watch, and two rings were still on her person, and her purse was found beside her at the time. So, it did not appear that this was a robbery, which makes it seem even more likely that this was probably a hit.
Now, scouring the blocks surrounding the scene of the attack, they looked for any item of clothing that may have been worn or discarded, or any sign of the murder weapon, even checking the rooftops of nearby buildings in case her attacker had sought refuge to basically just wait out the police there.
When none of these efforts proved fruitful, police actually sought assistance from NASA to enhance the surveillance video, just hoping that this would illuminate any physical description of the perpetrator. Which is so cool that they went to NASA to try to help with this footage. I mean, that's a big step. And also cool that NASA was willing to do this and to step in and be helpful as well. But still, even after NASA taking this surveillance footage and analyzing it, they came up empty-handed.
Kenny Shepard, the man who found Aliza and spent her final living moments with her, came forward describing how difficult that day had been for him, and that he, alongside all of her loved ones, was mourning Aliza as well. He wrote, quote,
It hurts my heart to know that her family and friends are suffering so terribly during this time. I continue to send my prayers to Aliza Sherman, as well as her friends and family. Like you, I demand justice be served for the murder of Aliza Sherman. But despite the mounting public pressure, tips, leads, and suspects were scarce.
And the only two people who have ever been considered public persons of interest in connection with Aliza's murder are her attorney Greg Moore and her estranged husband, Samford Sherman.
Suspiciously, her lawyer Greg actually lied about his whereabouts during the time in which she was killed, bringing Aliza down to his office under false pretenses, and also wound up facing legal ramifications for doing so. Which, if you didn't have anything to do with it, why would you lie about, like, if you're being questioned in a murder, why would you lie about where you were? Like, this is not the time to lie if you're not involved.
Yeah, I mean, it's really curious that he felt the need to lie here. And as we're going to see, he lies about a few other things as well. Well, exactly. I mean, Greg also lied to Aliza about being in the office via text messages both before and after she was killed. And then lied to police when questioned about it, which is, I mean, it's pretty strange.
When his phone records, the electronic keycard for his office, and witness statements all proved that he had falsified his location, he was indicted on charges of intentionally lying to police, lying to his client Aliza, and tampering with evidence.
A few years later, in 2017, so the year after he was brought up on charges for lying, he was indicted again, but this time for calling in false bomb threats to courthouses on three separate occasions when he wasn't prepared for his court dates. This is so crazy to me. That's like so extreme. Like, bro, you're literally a fucking lawyer and you're calling in bomb threats to a courthouse because...
You can't get your work done in time to go to trial?
Like, that is the most ironic shit I've ever heard. On three separate occasions. Like, that is so intense. So this is the kind of guy this guy is, right? Right. So police believe that this is why he was stalling on Aliza's case as well, to, like, buy himself more time to build a case against Sanford when the court date was approaching in two days. It's just really unfortunate that he...
scheduled to have this meeting and if she had never gone down there. Yeah. And that's, that's, I guess that's what really makes me suspicious here. The fact that she was called to go to this meeting and whoever killed Aliza because police believe that it was planned knew that she was going to be in that location. So who knew that she was going, who knew that she was going to meet Greg that morning? Did Sanford know? No.
was Greg involved? I mean, it's like, it just makes you start to think. It is a good point though, that this was a, not a real meeting. He had no intentions of going down there. And then when she gets there, she's killed. So it definitely looks really suspicious on Greg's part. It's obviously very possible that Sanford knew about this meeting too, but yeah, I mean, really, really good points to bring up. So,
For his charges, Greg pleaded guilty and he was stripped of his legal licensing, thankfully, and sentenced to 180 days in jail and put on probation with 150 hours of community service. But he was never linked to Aliza's murder, which some feel was a miscarriage of justice. Aliza's best friend Jan questioned, quote, why wasn't he there and why did he lie?
10 years later and she doesn't have justice and it's just not fair.
Jennifer testified against Greg at his hearings, saying, quote, Greg Moore has had 1,522 days and countless opportunities to aid in seeking her justice since her vicious death. Yet instead, he's admitted that he lied to law enforcement about his whereabouts and continues to sit here today without explaining himself or sharing what he knows.
Now, Sanford had also been accused of being involved, if not committing the murder himself, perhaps hiring someone else to do it, since it really does seem like this was a planned attack. It just feels and looks like a hit.
Now, according to Jan, though he attended the funeral, he was unaffected by the tragedy and was inactive in the efforts to track down Aliza's killer, not even donating to the reward fund. Now, here's kind of a crazy part. So, a friend of Sanford's named Larry Shanker, who also happened to be an ex-police officer, claimed that Sanford had spoken with him multiple times about
about how to get away with the perfect murder. Multiple times. Yes, multiple times. Not just one time, but multiple. So, Larry recalls telling him, quote, "...pretty much the obvious. I think anybody would think of these. The fact that you don't use your car or don't let your car be seen. Don't use a gun because it could be heard. Don't use your street clothes. Use something that would cover up your entire body, your face, your hands. Don't use a gun because it would make noise."
So basically, the scenario that Larry had laid out for Sanford were the exact circumstances that brought Elisa to her untimely death. I mean, that could be a great coincidence, obviously. You could say the same for Greg that, oh, that's just a coincidence that he had lied about his whereabouts and told her to meet him here and that's exactly where she was killed. But this doesn't look good for Sanford. Also, I mean...
Would you ever talk to your friend or even if you had an ex-cop friend, would you talk to them about how to carry out the perfect murder? Why would you have that conversation? I mean, I can...
I can kind of understand or I can kind of see how like it's like a it's like a silly like question that, you know, it could come out of nowhere. But but yeah, I mean, but multiple times. Well, I just think the fact that it's tied into a man whose wife was brutally murdered makes it seem even more eerie that he's talking to this ex-police officer, his friend, multiple times about this. You know what I mean?
I could understand more if you're like talking about crimes, you know, and you're kind of like, oh, you know, blah, blah, blah. But to bring it up multiple times and to have this kind of specific answer that matches, it just feels really, really weird. It's very bizarre. I admit that for sure. But there was never any link found between Sanford and the death of his soon to be ex-wife, Aliza.
Sadly, all this speculation drove an even deeper wedge in the family. Because when Jennifer got married seven months after her mother's death, neither her father nor her brother Josh were in attendance. Luckily, Jennifer had been named the executor of Aliza's will, replacing Sanford, and she then filed a lawsuit against her father, citing $2 million in damages for the money that was funneled into the secret account.
Josh, who had sided with his father, then filed a motion to remove Jennifer as the executor, but he dropped this claim about a year later. In June of 2021, the Ohio Attorney General Bureau of Criminal Investigations Cold Case Unit took over the investigation, but they have been quiet on their proceedings and any new information their analysis may have gleaned is just unknown to the public.
Last year in 2023, so 10 years after her mom's brutal killing, Jennifer took part in the launch of a podcast by two journalists titled Aliza, Her Story at 10 Years.
Jennifer remarked how therapeutic it was to pay homage to her beloved mother with this project, saying, quote, "'Violence is not a topic that people like to talk about. It's disturbing, it's painful, it's uncomfortable. But if we don't talk about it, then nothing will change. She, my entire life since I was a little girl, advocated for me to be strong and independent and speak up, and she made me believe that I can do anything.'"
While there is hope this podcast could bring in a tip that will crack the case, that's not the only reason this team got on board. I hope that people walk away a little bit more compassionate and a little bit more willing to look out for one another. For me, the story doesn't end here. If anything to me, I actually feel like this is just the beginning of my story.
Every year, Aliza's loved ones gather to commemorate her death, but more importantly, who she was when she was alive. In support of her mom's former place of employment, Jennifer generously raised $160,000 for the Cleveland Clinic, with the proceeds going directly to those experiencing domestic violence.
there is still a $100,000 reward for information leading to an arrest in Aliza's murder. So if you have any information about the murder of Aliza Sherman,
please call the Cleveland Police Department at 440-331-5530. Thank you so much, everybody, for listening to this episode of Going West. Yes, thank you guys so much for listening. And thanks again to Brian for suggesting this case.
What a devastating story. And our hearts really go out to Jennifer and the rest of Aliza's family. Yes, absolutely. Make sure if you want to see that footage to kind of get a better idea of the scene in question. If you want to see photos of Aliza, head over to our socials. We're on Instagram at Going West Podcast. And we're also on Facebook. We have two groups. We have the Going West True Crime Group and then the Going West
discussion group where we can pop into conversations with you guys. So let's get, you know, let's get that conversation going about Elisa Sherman's case. And also just again, please share this episode. All right, guys. So for everybody out there in the world, don't be a stranger.
so
Time is a luxury for us, especially if you're a mom. That's why we need a skincare routine that's easy, fast, and gives us results. Plus, what if your products had thousands of five-star reviews, were natural and affordable? Well, say hello to Dime Beauty. Dime Beauty is clean, high-end skincare that is affordable.
And it really works. Not sure where to start? I highly recommend the Work System. It's everything you need in one powerful package. Take out the guesswork with a proven routine that includes a gentle yet effective cleanser, a super skin toner, two incredible serums, and two luxurious moisturizers.
See what everyone is raving about. From serum sets to the always sold out retinol alternative TBT cream, you'll find your perfect skincare match. Dime has over 2 million happy customers and their product reviews are literally five stars. Love your skin again. Go to DimeBeautyCO.com and unlock your discount. That's DimeBeautyCO.com. That's DimeBeautyCO.com.