Ep 997 | Sadie Robertson Huff Admits Her First Speaking Engagement Was a Total Disaster!
58:13 Share

Americans love using their credit cards, the most secure and hassle-free way to pay. But D.C. politicians want to change that with the Durbin Marshall Credit Card Bill. This bill lets corporate megastores pick how your credit card is processed, allowing them to use untested payment networks that jeopardize your data security and rewards. Corporate megastores will make more money, and you pay the price. Tell Congress to guard your card.

because Americans lose when politicians choose. Learn more at GuardYourCard.com I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm somewhere in a

deep tunnel in coming from Gulf Shores, Alabama. I apologize for the audio. I'm hoping that Maddie will get this all up, fixed and running. My computer went down, Jace. And the problem is with remote podcasting is you need your computer to work. And I have nobody here except for Lisa, who is better than me. No doubt about it, but that's not saying much. And we're both better than dad, which is also not saying much. So we're doing the best we can. It's really not saying much.

That's not that much, but we have Sadie on the podcast today. Welcome, Sadie. We're so excited to have you here, and I apologize that I'm running such a ragtag outfit. Oh, my gosh. Oh, hey, it's Green Day. We all are kind of vibing. I know. We all have green on. We're in our holiday cheer. But no, I'm so grateful to be back on the podcast. And I think, is this my first time with you on the podcast?

Because I think last time you were on that episode. Chase wasn't here. I was on a podcast where you were there. Look it up and prove me right, Miss Maggie. Okay. Well, the last one. The last one. The last one is you and Christian. Yeah. Because Christian was on with you. It was me and Dad. And Zach. Yep. I have a very funny story that happened this morning. So when we came in, we did a podcast before. So we were already struggling with Al's.

Technical difficulties. We actually started. I like the way I said that struggling. It's better than disaster that I've been saying. So, and we all had a long weekend and then Al, you know, he can't get his stuff circuits are not flickering or whatever.

And so the lights aren't twinkling, Clark. So and this was the earliest I've ever arrived at a podcast. I was here 15 minutes early. That's how it always happens. So you take the 30 minute delay is more like 35. Who's counting? And the 15 that I was here early, that was 50 minutes.

So what I did was, here's the funny story. You have no idea about what I'm fixing to do. I do not. So I started meandering around Duck Commander. I was like, well, let me see what they've been doing with the place since I hadn't been around much.

And I see all these red lights, and I'm like, the red lights. It's like the red light district. Dow Ductum has a red light district. Uh-oh. And I'm like, what is going on? Willie, I was thinking, I mean, that sucker, what is he doing? Is this Amsterdam? No, I realized that it said that there's a live –

session going and then I realized the red lights were on because you were doing your podcast. Yep. So I found a TV screen and you're talking and talking and so then Martin came up

And I said, who's she talking to? And he said, I have no idea, but she's talking to somebody. And so it went a couple more minutes and just the anticipation. Of whom, I guess. I was like, who is this guest? And he said, they'll cut at some point. So then they cut over and it was,

Christian, your husband. And Martin said, he looks nervous. And I said, well, wouldn't you be? I said, he's talking to his wife. He's very beautiful, articulate, and smart. And I said, and then when it got back to you, you were just confident. And I was like, boy, he's struggling here. That is crazy.

- Hilarious. That is so funny because actually today he was nervous because it was the first time he was interviewing me. So he was sitting in like my interviewer chair and I was sitting on like the interviewee chair or whatever. And he was interviewing me about my new book. And it was so funny because I could tell he was nervous too. He was so nervous.

But the fact that y'all just happened to be watching and noticed that too, because I stopped him like 15 minutes in and was like, I think like you're nervous. And then he got so offended that I stopped and said that. But this is confirmation. That is hope.

- Well, it was confirmed, but I felt for him because the only time I get nervous on the podcast is when my wife is here. - It is intimidating. It is because I know it is. Well, I did ask him like of all people, I'm like, I want you to interview me for the book. And which typically like I would have my mom do it or something. Cause mom is a really good podcast host. You know, she's good at interviews and all those different things. And Christian normally, I mean,

he has his podcast, but it's more conversational. You know, it's just him and the guys talking, studying the words, a little bit more conversational. And my team, like...

prepared him like they would me like they gave him lists of questions and here's what the book's about like really put him in the interviewer spot and he showed up this morning and he was like i'm actually nervous about this so that was funny well i mean i think there's beauty in the in the kind of sweet i know but part of it though sadie is that you're you are an excellent interviewer

because we've been on your podcast before as well, and you do this all the time, and you're a good interviewee, but you're a good interviewer. And so with other people, that's nerve-wracking that they've never done that before or done a lot of that before. It's really not easy. On our podcast, it's typically my lane. Jace does well, and Zach does too, but they're more comfortable with me doing it because I do it all the time. It's just something you kind of get used to. It is something that – and I feel like I've really worked to –

be better at it. You know, it's something that you don't just wing. I think there is like a natural ability to communicate with people and to ask questions. And on my like strength finders, you know, test communication was at the top. So there is that too. But then there's like, you study it, you learn it. I like to watch other people interview. I like to listen to other people interview. I've gotten so much great advice. So then to just ask someone, hey, jump in and

interview me that that isn't necessarily supernatural to everybody so even though Christian's been thrown into it a lot he he still gets nervous which I think is pretty I think that was pretty sweet because he did care he was really trying to do it service and justice but he totally was nervous and I didn't know we had a live audience outside the door so it was uh but I thought you know if they had a camera on us and we were doing the color commentary for this it would be it would be

Pretty good. Yeah, that would be really funny. Good thing Christian didn't know that, though. He would be way more nervous. Well, we actually couldn't hear what you were saying. Yeah, because there's no audio. Yeah, there was no audio. That's funny. So we were just kind of judging it by your body language. Facial expression. Yeah, body language. And I thought, oh, man.

He's leaking oil right now. The pressure is mounting. I mean, I didn't see sweat because I looked for it, but I thought, oh, it's fixed to come out. Wait until Sadie tells Christian this because she will. She's going to say, you're not going to believe this. I went on Unashamed. Here's what happens. You're going to tell him, Sadie. He's, of course, going to love this. Well, thankfully, he's been on Unashamed and was confident in this seat. So that's good.

Sadie has only been on once before and Jace was not there. Oh, proven. Oh, but you were on my podcast. I was on your podcast. You were on my podcast with Mia and that was such a good episode. I was a little embarrassed because I lost, I lost, I, I,

I got to live out the first verse that I memorized. Jesus wept. It was so sweet, though. I called Missy after that podcast and was like, I just want to say that was one of the most beautiful conversations I've gotten to have. And just the genuineness and the authenticity of a father to a daughter. I was so impacted by that. So I just have to say.

So tell this, Sadie, because it's really interesting. We have a podcast, and I guess in the ratings we compete, although we don't because we're all just trying to help people get the gospel out. But we're always bouncing back and forth. And usually when you're on our podcast, we go ahead of your podcast.

When we're on your podcast, you go ahead of us. Talk about the experiences like what you just mentioned. You also had Lisa and I on. Cy, Willie, and I were just on as well. What's it been like to interview family and to kind of bring them into the, whoa, that's good world? What's that been like? Yeah, gosh, it's honestly so special. I was thinking about that, reflecting on that yesterday. Actually, it's funny you said this because –

We were just flipping through what are we going to watch on TV and we happened to watch Duck Dynasty because I saw it and I was like, I have not watched Duck Dynasty in so long. And, you know, just watching it was bringing back so many memories. But I was actually thinking about how like, even though you're around people for so long and their family and, you know, you can get used to just being around people, it

It's still like you don't know them on a deeper level until you ask them questions. And I was thinking about it because I had just had you and Cy and dad on the podcast. And that podcast was so special to me because honestly, whenever we decided to do a relationship podcast with you, Cy, and dad, I was thinking, this is going to be so crazy. Like in my mind, I did not have that great of expectation for how much advice we were going to leave with, even though...

It's funny to say that. You thought it would be funny and crazy, but you weren't sure about that. I thought it would be funny and crazy. I wasn't sure about the depth of just what y'all were really going to share. However, it's so funny to think that. I mean, the reality is, I think we combined it. The three of y'all total have like 125 years of marriage, you know, by how long you guys have been married and committed and love the Lord and love your spouse and

honor your family. I mean, like so much, obviously advice to give, but just because we're used to being funny around each other, the Robertsons have a funny sense of humor. Everyone's always cracking jokes. I just didn't expect it to get to that level of depth. And I left and was like, man, I'm so impacted. I didn't know so many stories Uncle Si shared or just all those analogies he pulled from, from his life experiences.

whenever you and Mia were on the podcast, what was so special to me is like, I've heard so many times, Mia has another surgery, Mia has another surgery. But I didn't know what that looked like from y'all's perspective. And of

Of course, I could imagine the heartache, but to see it was so different. To hear Lisa and you and y'all's story and just the passion behind the things that she advocates for now and where that came from. I had Jeff and Jessica on recently. Of course, mom and I have gotten to study the Bible together on the podcast.

I said this, we just hit 300 episodes of the podcast and people kept saying, thank you so much for doing this podcast. And I just kept saying, thank you so much for letting me do it. Thank you for listening. Thank you for giving me the opportunity for this to be my job, because I really don't know who I would be without you.

these conversations. I wouldn't know my family the way I know them without these conversations. But I think it can be an encouragement to anyone listening. You don't have to start a podcast to get to know your family that way. You don't have to start a podcast to get to know your friends that way. Really, what it takes is just asking intentional questions, getting to know people,

I think so often, again, you assume you know because you're with them, but it's not really until you ask the question, do you really hear the heart behind what people are going through or what people gain from their life experiences? And so, yeah, having the family on has been a huge blessing. And I've gotten to know everybody in a way I didn't through just filming Doug Dynasty or just family dinners, Christmas, Thanksgiving type of scenarios. Yeah. Well, and you bring up a great point because when we all get together and we don't

a lot, even though we all live close because everybody is super busy doing ministry and doing missions and doing all these different things we do. When we get together, we're just catching up, checking on the kids, you know, just like families do. But you're right. You need in-depth time together to

to talk about things that are important. And we all have these platforms with podcasts and other things that we get to do that. But I was going to say this, Sadie, when we were on your podcast, one of the things I noticed, because you did a great job interviewing us, and I think you brought out a lot of the stuff you were talking about with me and Cy and Willie, but I love the way you took what we were saying and you look straight to camera to your audience. Mm-hmm.

Thank you.

It's not just what you share with them, but then you take other things and you adapt that into something that can bless their lives. So I just thought it was really good. Man, thank you for saying that. That's actually so cool. That is one of my goals. Do you know who John Piper is? He's excellent. He's excellent. Okay, so the very first time I ever spoke at Passion Conference, John Piper was right before me. It was like John Piper, then Sadie Robertson-Hoff. I'm like, what is happening? I was just thinking this –

Cannot be my life right now. One, we were speaking at like the Mercedes-Benz Stadium. I'm already so intimidated, nervous about that. Two, I hadn't really been speaking for very long. And three, I'm right behind John Piper. And so that morning, and this all has to do with what you said, because this was such a pivotal moment for me.

My communication. But anyways, that morning we had our little green room time where they were running through the whole morning session. So it's me and John Piper, the speakers there, and then all of the production team and different people from passion. And so they're like, OK, if John, Dr. Piper and Sadie can take a minute and just explain their message in a brief synopsis, that would be great.

And I have never been good at brief synopsis. I have never been good at making whatever I'm trying to tell in a short version. So John Piper goes first and it is like the most like beautifully spoken, wrap this huge concept up into this bite-sized moment that blew your mind. I mean, it was so cool when he did it and everyone was like, wow, that is so good. Like, thank you, Dr. Piper. And it's like, okay, Sadie, what do you bring in? I...

like fumbled so bad. I don't even know what I said. I even said, I was like, the title of my message is whatever I said. Then I started talking. And at the end of it, Christian looked at me and said, did you change your title? I said, no, I just forgot it. Like I literally went blank, but it was so cool because after I said that, and I just thought I rambled, I didn't know if I made any sense. Dr. Piper looked at me and he said, Hey,

I want you to know that everything you just said is what I said. It's just in a way that those kids are going to understand it.

And it was so cool because honestly, I didn't even notice what I was saying was what he was saying because he said it so much more brilliant than I did. And then he said, whenever I said this and whenever you said that, he said, that is the same thing. You're just saying it in a similar way. He said, so I encourage you when you're on stage and when you say that part of your message, I want you to refer back to when I said this part and it's going to make this whole thing come together.

He just taught me. I mean, it was so good. So when I'm on stage and I said that part of my message, I was able to tie in what Dr. Piper said in it. And it really did make so much sense. And from that point on, I was like, I really do want to help communicate like that. Like,

I don't need to say big, smart words that you only learn from seminary school. I didn't go to seminary school. I'm going to talk to the people who are listening and hopefully gain wisdom from all of these older people who have so much wisdom to give and then tie it into a way that we can understand it, the way that we can practically apply it.

And so I love that you said that because that really is a goal of mine whenever I'm interviewing people is to try to take what they're saying and to apply it into a 25 year old's lifestyle, you know. But that's just such a funny memory for me because, oh, man, I totally thought I flopped it. And he used it as a great teaching moment. So so that that describes Jace's our saying then, because that's what he does with Zach's stuff.

So we want to talk to you about our good friends at NetSuite by Oracle. Jayce, you know a little something about Oracle. I do own the company Oracle in my portfolio. So technically, I guess I'm a part owner. Wink, wink.

But I'm not as familiar with some of their companies. And today we're going to talk about NetSuite. So tell us, Al. So, you know, none of us really know the future, what that holds for your business. People wonder about the market, whether the interest rates are going up or down, what's going to happen with inflation. And so we need something stable. And 38,000 businesses are preparing for the future with NetSuite by Oracle.

the number one cloud ERP bringing accounting, financial management, inventory, HR into one fluid platform. With one unified business management suite, there's one source of truth which gives you the ability to control the decisions that you need to make. With real-time insights and forecasting, you're peering into the future with actionable data

When you're closing the books in days, not weeks, you're spending less time looking backwards and more time looking forward. So we want you to check these guys out. You have a great opportunity. Download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com slash phil. The guide is free to you at netsuite.com slash phil. Check them out netsuite.com slash phil.

Since Zach's not here, I can really tell you the truth on that, Al. It's like, I mean, he's such an academic, but he intellectualizes. See what I did there? So many things that I'm scared that people like me who are listening are thinking, what is he talking about? What is he saying? They just...

turned off the radio because he used four or eight syllable words in a sentence. And, uh,

So, I mean, I always go back to the book of Acts, which he grins and doesn't disagree because I'm like, they weren't giving these exegetical apologetic sermons. They were just declaring Jesus. But it reminds me. So the first time I did speak at a little local school of about 15 or 20 people was the first time I ever got up and spoke. Because one of the older members at our church,

told me, you need to get up and share. And I remember I was so nervous that every time I would flip my page in the Bible, I would rip it out. Oh, my gosh. But I broke the ice, and, you know, the sky didn't fall, and there was a couple of kids that came up after and was like, you know, said something positive, so I thought,

Okay, because I was real shy, and it was real hard for me to do that, even though I had started beginning sharing Jesus with my friends. I mean, I was a teenager when that happened. So the youth director was Al, your partner, Mike Kellett. Mike Kellett. And they were going on a trip to Florida, some kind of teen get-together, and he asked me, he said, he heard I gave that speech. He said, I want you to give that same speech.

I didn't want to because that was not my nature. It was my old man trying to get me to be quiet, but I agreed to do it. So it's so funny you said that because it triggered this memory. So there were like four of us from all over the country who were going to speak, and I was number three, I think, three or four. But the guy before me, when he got up, he just was being awkward, and he was fumbling around, and then he just like very convincingly

I'm not prepared. And so I'm thinking, well, this is a disaster, you know,

And then he was like, then he exploded. And he's like, I'm not sure even why I agreed to do that. And he gets off stage. And so the guy in charge, he looks around at me like, you're up, buddy. Oh, my God. So I start walking and I get halfway there. I thought you were going to say, and his name was Willie Roberts. No, no, no. I didn't know this guy. I get about halfway there.

And my insides got so tense, I thought, did I go to the bathroom right now? Because I didn't want to get up there anyway. And I thought...

No, I just got to do this. Oh, my God. So when I get up to the podium, the guy who just did this starts coming to the stage. Now he starts coming back up there, and I'm like, it cannot be anymore. He wants another chance. I'm sure. It looked like I was fixed to pass out, and he's like, no, I'm sorry. So then when he got up there, he said, of course, I'm just a wreck now, and he said,

I just wanted to do that because when the Lord comes back and you stand before him, the last thing you want to do is what I just did. Wow. Oh, it was very profound. Wow. It made me feel worse because now everybody has seen my vulnerable side because they were thinking that guy is shaking his head. And now I'm like, now he has the audience.

And this is just a complete disaster because that was really a good point. It was a good illustration. That was actually really cool. He really brought that whole thing around. So I just decided to do the self-deprecation. I was like, I have no illustrations left.

I am what I am by the grace of God. But I think that worked. And I thought in that moment, you know, we're all different. Kind of like you had the same idea. And I thought, I'm just going to be real, share Jesus. It's not about me. That's so good.

People always think that like, I think you always think that when you see a person speaking on stage, oh, they just must not be nervous. That just comes naturally. But it's funny to see where you started because now when you speak, you seem totally confident. When I first spoke for the first time, I only got asked to speak, not because I was a speaker, but because I was the Duck Dynasty kid.

And I was so nervous, y'all. And it was horrible. And I really mean that. People are like, oh, you're being humble. I'm like, no, 100% not kidding. That the people asked for their money back after I spoke. They asked my mom if they could have their money back because I was supposed to speak for 25 minutes and I only spoke for five. And I totally was just like, Jesus loves you, bye. Like, totally.

And so, yeah, you got to start somewhere. And nerves are just nerves and part of the human condition. So, yeah, we've obviously come a long way. Well, I think it's because my personality was, I mean, it was rough when we were kids, I'll remember. And I just...

Kind of went inward focus, and I was not a talkative kid, especially before our dad came to the Lord. But I think that was just my default setting. When anything that happened that was nerve-wracking or whatever, I just closed off. So I think really it was a process because what turned me around was

The more I read this, you know, I came to the Lord at 14. So the first two years of high school, I was just trying not to mess up. But it was a losing battle. It was playing defense the whole time. And that doesn't work anyway because you still mess up. But after a while, I finally just started realizing I'm not going to be able to do this quietly. Yeah. I mean, this is something we're called to, which we talk about a lot on our podcast,

I mean, we realize what we're saved from, but what are we saved to do? To go back to the book of Acts, you know, it's a declaration of Jesus. And so even last night, I was speaking to young people from high schools and colleges in the FCA program out at ULM. And I thought,

I said, how many of y'all are 14 in the audience? I was surprised how many hands raised. And I was like, I was you when I came to Christ. And of course, they look just like little bitty kids now, which made me think, wow. And so I get it. There's not a lot of people at your school talking about Jesus. They're mainly sticking to the four-letter words.

That's a lot of pressure. And I told him some of the stories that we've even talked about here, even talking to my friends. I'd be so nervous. But, you know, at some point you draw a line in the sand. And what you realize is once that's spoken and the power that is unleashed, you know, to convict Jesus, drawing people to him by that message coming out.

That's what changes your heart about it because then it becomes not about you. Exactly. You're just like, if I can just get Jesus out in any way, shape, or form in a realistic way, that's it. That's so true. That is totally my experience. When I was like the Doug Dynasty kid getting asked to speak about Doug Dynasty, it scared me to death because it was more –

I was making it more about me. But then whenever my life totally changed, like when I was 17 and I got, you know, baptized and everything in my life, I was like, I am going to live for the Lord again. It's like, I can't do this quietly. It's not one foot in, one foot out. It's not like where I'm going to, you know,

live out my faith and where I'm not, it's a 24 seven commitment. Um, then I had a message to share, you know, and it's like my testimony. And as I began to preach the gospel, share my testimony, I was not nervous. I mean, I still get nervous and like,

just your human nerves, but like there's a confidence in, in the Holy Spirit empowering you. I think Peter's a good example of that because he was like known for his boldness and acts. And yet Peter's the guy who just denied Jesus. Peter's the one that fell in the water. He was the one that would chicken out in these moments. And yet here he is like known for his boldness leading this movement. And that was after that conversation with Jesus where it was like,

Hey, like, do you love me? Okay, go feed my sheep. It's like, you have a relationship with me and I'll go do the things that I'm calling you to do. And I feel like that was a big part of my life in that story. Jace, we're always trying to do things to support America. And one of those is supporting businesses that love America. Yeah. Especially when it comes to cell phone service, you don't have many options, but it is good to know there's a company out there that's kind of lining up with how you view the world from a,

social, and moral basis. Absolutely. For the last 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. They offer dependable nationwide coverage, giving you the ability to access all three major networks, but you get to do that without funding the agenda of the left.

When you switch to Patriot Mobile, you're letting everyone know you support free speech, religious freedom, and sanctity of life. You also support the Second Amendment, our military veterans, and first responders. If that isn't enough for you, they also have a 100% U.S.-based customer service that makes switching to Patriot Mobile easy. You can keep your number and your phone, or you can upgrade.

They'll help you find the best deals and a plan that fits your needs. Just go to PatriotMobile.com slash Phil, or you can call them at 972-PATRIOT. Right now, you get a free month when you use the offer code Phil. Join us. Switch to America's only Christian conservative mobile provider, Patriot Mobile. Go to PatriotMobile.com slash Phil, or you can call them at 972-PATRIOT for your free month of service today.

I had a transformation, I think, when I realized that, and I did this by just reading the red letters, which is a very interesting way to read the gospel. Every once in a while, I'll just read the red letters. And it kind of revealed an aspect of Jesus's personality that I'd never noticed the first time I did it. Because then I had to go look it up because I thought he seems to ask a lot of questions.

And it's over 300 times in the Gospels. Wow. And he just asked a question. In fact, I did this in our podcast a few podcasts ago, but the first words that are in red in the book of John, and this is right after he was baptized and John the Baptist, two of his disciples were following along. And you kind of get the setup in that

Because John the Baptist was saying, this is the one. He had just said, look, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. And John the Baptist was baptizing people saying, there's one coming after me, you know, whose sandals I'm unworthy to tie. And so, well, these two disciples, they're following Jesus and they're wondering, is this him? So you kind of get in your mind this awkward moment of them following him.

And this is in verse 37. When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked,

First read letters here. And you see it in my book. He said, what do you want? Yeah. And what's so funny is one of the reason I'm bringing this up is one of the most things you're scared of when you're public speaking is silence. And now, 40 years later, after speaking Jesus in all kind of venues, I'm not scared of silence anymore. And it's from passages like that. And he waited.

And they didn't answer the question, honestly, because they said, Rabbi, where are you staying? Well, that's not why they were following. They were following him because they were wondering if he was truly the son of God, the Messiah had come. Well, now they put Jesus in an awkward position because we know that Jesus was actually homeless. And so he answers the question, come home.

And you will see. And they spent the day of Jesus. And it wasn't about where he was staying. I'm sure he was staying at a friend's because he was homeless. He was penniless. He was the last thing you would think that somebody who would actually be the Messiah, the Son of God from a power, worldly power setting.

And what's crazy about that story is then when it goes on, they invite Nathaniel. And so then they say what Jesus told them. They're like, now who is this guy? And he's like, come and see, which was reciprocated.

To them. And point being, when you spend time with Jesus, he was like, you spend time with me, you'll know. You'll know. You'll know. So I think it's a good way. So I think when you get up there and think, I'm going to give a speech, and when you get nervous, I think...

All I got to get them to do is see Jesus. Come and see who Jesus is. So every lesson I do, no matter what, I'm going to have that aspect to it. Introducing. Even if it takes silence for me. I think last night I said, you know, where are you at in your Christian life? It's a good way to find out is to read the book of John and then ask yourself, does my life look like his? Which, yeah.

The first time I did that, even though I knew I was saved, I knew I had the Holy Spirit, I thought, I got a long way to go. Because the conversations he was having, the way he was navigating, all the resistance he was taking on,

- It's good. - I just thought I got a long way to go. - It's good. I love that passage. It's one of my favorites actually, because it even like asked the people, what is your intention for following me? And I think so many people need to stop and ask themselves like, what are you actually seeking? What do you actually want out of this? But I think to your point of silence, man, that's so good because I've had people

I'm speaking in places that are a little bit more charismatic, but I grew up more Church of Christ, which doesn't... I don't feel like... Besides Kirk Lively, you don't have a ton of loud feedback in the room. So I was used to a little bit more quietness

quiet of a culture in general. But whenever I'm in these places, it's so funny because you'll have like the shout back culture, you know, it's like, that's good preacher, keep going, whatever. And it's funny because I feel like people don't really do that a lot whenever I'm talking necessarily, but it's never really bothered me. I don't think of it as like a bad thing. And maybe at a time I would feel a little insecure about that. Like, oh, why did they do that for that person and not, not for me? But then I'm like, well, why do I need them to do that?

You know, like, is it because I need that feedback or do I really just believe that the words I'm saying are going to speak for themselves? And, you know, actually, I thought about this because Mr. Rogers, you know, he's like the kids, you know, he did the kids TV thing and there was a documentary on his life and he talked about the power of silence and he would ask kids questions and then he would just be silent.

And it's like super awkward whenever you're watching TV and like the person on TV is just being silent. You never see that in kids shows now. Like Cocomelon, all this stuff, they're trying to fill the silence. Like every two seconds, I think, in Cocomelon, they change the screen to see something more interactive. But Mr. Rogers, like the biggest TV...

show for kids would intentionally place in silence because that's whenever you start thinking about your own thoughts. You're forming your own thoughts, your own idea as to what's being done in front of you. And then I started doing this in my car. Instead of turning on the radio when friends are in the car, just not turning on anything, which can feel awkward, but that's how you get into conversation. So in the same way, when you're speaking, you don't always need the...

the talk, you know, you don't always, sometimes it's in the silence that people meditate, that they form their thought, that they are thinking, how does this affect me? So there's so much power in those moments of silence. I think we're scared of them because the silence is confronting because you're confronted with your own ideas, with your own thoughts, but that's what is, like,

changed. That's what's life altering, you know? And so I love that you said that. Well, it's crazy. You're saying that because the last night I'm at ULM, which we've been talking about this because I was there the whole weekend. So I did this thing about the comeback and the greatest comeback ever. I had talked to the team, but now I'm at the field of faith, the FCA. And I'm just, I can tell I'm getting loud because I'm like,

The reason this was the greatest comeback ever is that Jesus knew when he said John 12, I think it's 31, 32, that when he was lifted up, he's going to draw them into himself. It was like when he came back from the dead and was lifted up, we're still talking about this 2000 years later. And, and,

I was telling the story about this lineman for the 49ers who got to my house last week because he wanted to hear about Jesus. And I wound up baptizing him in the pool. I was like, what would cause someone who's in the middle of success? He's making millions of dollars playing for an NFL team. I was like, he's still drawing them today. That's true power. And so I just allowed the silence to happen.

And it was like 1001, 1002, 1003. And then somebody on the right went, Jesus. And I thought, I know that voice. It was Kurt. Was it really? That is hilarious. And so I looked and I saw him just beaming. And I said, because everybody looked over there. It was dead silence. And I said, he's with me. He is.

Even though I didn't know he was here, which is kind of funny. It's the only time he laughed. Sadie gave us the perfect segue. We're going to take a break. And during the break, I'm going to try to switch back to my computer. So when we come back, we're going to talk about Sadie's new book, which is very much about this idea of spending this time with God. It's a great devotional book. So we'll take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the book.

So, Jace, you know, we were trying to talk to dad about doing our movie. You know, one of the things that I told him was, you know, it's there's not many movies out there that are made about real people.

And tell real stories. And they're not always that easy to make. But I think the latest Bonhoeffer movie kind of lives up to the idea of trying to show real people doing real things for the kingdom. Yeah, I think Christians kind of figured out that, look, we have the greatest story ever told. There's a reason why the Bible's been the number one seller since...

whenever the Bible came out. And now that's what Christian people are doing. Angel Studios, they took the story of Bonhoeffer, which most Christians are familiar with, and turned it into a movie because it has the same transformation that all of us as humans go through when you give your life to Christ. And it lives out in a way that loves people, even being willing to give up your life.

So they did a good job. I highly recommend it. Yeah, Bonhoeffer is an amazing man, amazing story. And in this movie, the world teeters on the brink of annihilation. And Dietrich Bonhoeffer is swept into the epicenter of a deadly plot to assassinate Hitler. In Angel Studios' upcoming film, as Jason mentioned, Bonhoeffer, pastor, spy, assassin.

This movie is going to hit theaters November 22nd. You can get Showtimes right now at angel.com slash unashamed. With his faith and fate at stake, Bonhoeffer must choose between upholding his moral convictions or risking it all to save millions of Jews from genocide.

Will his shift from preaching peace to plotting murder alter the course of history, or will it cost him everything? We want you to check it out. You can find out this Thanksgiving all those answers by looking for Showtime's Near You to get your tickets today at angel.com slash unashamed. This is a movie you don't want to miss. Go to angel.com slash unashamed. That's angel.com slash unashamed.

Welcome back to Unashamed. I feel like I'm back. We took a break. Look, I had finally figured out who you sounded like. You sounded like the beginning of that country music song, Creeping.

He sounds like he was in a, you know, it was a, they do that in country music where you sound like you're in a tunnel with stuff. Oh, yeah. Except for this wasn't intentional. It wasn't intentional. At any moment, I thought you was going to break out into a, and now you're back to normal. It was like the old joke where the guy stops by the service station in Arkansas and says, how do you get to Nashville? And he says, try singing through your nose. And which is kind of what that sounds like.

So we want to talk about your book, Sadie, because on our last time together on the podcast. So I'm holding up here for those of you who are looking at the watching the podcast. It's called The Next Step. It's got a great there. Jay's got one, too. Yeah, it's got a great picture of Sadie on the front. The Sadie smile is what we call it. Thank you very much. I was actually disappointed that I got the book and you hadn't even signed it.

Oh, shoot. You didn't even get a signed copy. Well, actually, to be fair, though, y'all got a copy of my book before I did. Beth got a copy and she was like, oh, yeah, this is for the Unashamed guys. I was like, wait, could I see that? Because I don't want to actually have a copy

So y'all beat me. I think I did steal y'all's copy, the first one, and had y'all get some more because I was like, I would like to have that one if I could. Yeah, you want the first one because it's your book. Exactly. So it's basically a 10-week devotional. And your foundational scriptures are from Psalms and Proverbs, kind of is the idea behind it. So tell us a little bit about it, kind of what your mindset was putting it out and the

and what you hope to bless people with if they get the book. Yeah, so this is actually the first ever Whoa, That's Good series that we're going to hopefully start doing. This is Whoa, That's Good Wisdom. So it's following, like you said, Proverbs, Songs, There's Some of Job. There's even some Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, all the different books that just have these deep, profound wisdom.

You know, if you've listened to my podcast, I always ask the question when I have new guests on what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given. And typically it's like a sentence like it's a drop. You know, your best piece of advice was never compliment bad cooking, you know. So it's these little tips.

things that have just stuck with you that are sometimes funny, sometimes really deep. But there's so many, well, that's good moments in the Bible, obviously, like the whole Bible is what that's good. But then when you read Proverbs, there's like, I mean, Proverbs 16, gracious words are like a honeycomb sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. That's the reason we named our daughter honey. And we pray over her. She'll be sweet and strong like honey is. And

Her words will, you know, carry the power to heal people and to give life to people. And so, you know, you get these little things that really change your day, change who you are, change the way you think about life. And so the book is set up to help people meditate on the wisdom that's in the Bible. And then it's a devotional. So, you know, a little thought of the day, a little find your way section. And then at the end of each week, and this is probably what I'm most excited about, about this book in general, because it's

It's a lifestyle book. It's not meant to be just read in one sitting. It's meant to be like, you know, each day kind of dig a little bit deeper, dig a little bit deeper. But at the end of that week, it's rest and worship. And so we have a couple of thoughts back to kind of the silence and asking your question. Here's a couple of questions that you should think about based on what we read this week. And then a little prayer time where you can journal. And then I suggest two worship songs that you could actually turn on while you do that.

And that's really the goal is that this will help you form a habit of getting in the word daily, of worshiping, of praying, if you've never done that before, or even if you have just fresh, you know, a little fresh energy for that. For me, I used to never have like a routine of reading in the morning, a devotional worshiping because the mornings always just felt like, oh, I want to sleep or I have the girls or things are busy. But

But one of my friends really challenged me last year and was like, you need to get in the Word every morning. And so my friend not only challenged me, but she was like, I'm going to text you at 6 a.m. every day and tell you, go get in the Word. And she did every morning at 6 a.m. And she texted me and say, are you up? Go get in the Word. And through that time, I actually did. I would get up, I'd read a devotional, turn on worship, pray, and fast.

through that time, it was so pivotal in my life that I was like, man, I was so personally impacted and I wanted to help other people who may be like me and be like, oh,

oh, I don't do a morning devotional. That's not what it's all. I mean, it doesn't have to be in the morning, which I would give you a million excuses and reasons why it doesn't have to. But I'm like, at the end of the day, Jesus did it. At the end of the day, so many people who I learned from get up in the morning and do it. Like, who am I to think that I couldn't benefit my first hours of the first, you know, minutes or hour of the day focusing on the Lord, worshiping, praying. And so hopefully it helps people form that habit in their own life.

Hi friends, it's Liz, host of the Liz Wheeler Show here on The Blaze. Our motto is challenge everything. And we're effective. When Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer mocked Christians, we got her to apologize. When we held Speaker Johnson's feet to the fire on transgender bathrooms, he changed his tune. We are making a difference.

Plus, we also give you a peek behind the curtains at the juicy political gossip and how it actually impacts policy. I invite you to subscribe and be a change agent with us. That's Liz Wheeler Show everywhere you find your podcasts. Well, I was thinking, Sadie, that the word I took from it, from reading it, it's very personal.

And it's very introspective. You know, when I was reading it, it forces you to look inside yourself. And so you did a really good job putting that together because it's not easy to make a personal book, a book that touches you, you know, in every aspect that you're looking at. And so I thought the same thing you did. It made me think, you know, this is why Jesus drew with Drew.

You know, even I mean, the son of God had to have those times where he was going to commune with the father through the Holy Spirit to be able to have these moments, to be able to go back out and then have something to give. And earlier we were talking about speaking, all of us speak. And it really is the Holy Spirit that speaks through you. You're just trying to do the best possible job to get his message out, which, by the way, is the entire Bible itself. So I thought it was really, really powerful. And I love the personal aspect of it.

always make the point it's harder to deal with success sometimes than it is failure because then you're kind of at the bottom or go through difficulty, you know, and it's usually a way to realize your brokenness and you need for God. But when you become successful, it's hard to navigate that also. And when you think about Jesus, you know, and thinking about because what we do is we have our inner circles and and that

it kind of gets smaller the more successful you get because you're worried about who you can trust and you want people who will tell you yes and no, no matter what. But when you think about what Jesus had, I mean, his inner circle,

Pretty much letting him down consistently. Yeah, yeah. And I think that, you know, his reliance on the Father and the Holy Spirit was there. But I thought in my own life, I was going to make the point that one lie that I had to overcome as a young Christian was I thought I didn't know enough to talk to people about Jesus or I didn't know the verses. And I just...

I had a misunderstanding of that. And I think when I started coming around to try to get this back to wisdom, I remember reading Philemon verse 6 one day, and it says, I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith so that you will have a full understanding of everything we have in Christ, which seems to be backwards. Because I was thinking, I don't know enough to share. And his prayer was,

share your faith so that you'll understand everything you have in Christ. That's cool. So what I realized in all that was Jesus, knowing Jesus makes you really smart, even though you may not be somebody like me. I've never been book smart or because I got into these conversations with all my friends and you would think they have all the answers, but

They don't have all the answers. They don't know what to do. They don't even know how they got on the planet, much less what we're supposed to be doing here. So I do think your book goes along with what Paul was writing to the Colossians, having said all that. In Colossians 2, 2 and 3, he said, my purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love. So he's bringing people together as the body of Christ so that

that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, which Proverbs is all about, in order that they may know the mystery of God, Jesus Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And so back when we read this, Al, you'll remember I gave this quote. So N.T. Wright, who I'll read a lot of his stuff, especially about the kingdom and the temple, like us being the temple of God.

He said, if you take Proverbs 8, which seems to be prophetic in that people say Proverbs is about lady wisdom. But Proverbs 8, you see the prophetic view of Jesus being the wisdom of God before the creation of the world. So he said, you take Proverbs 8.

and stir it in a pot with John chapter one, which is, you know, in the beginning was the word, words with God, word became flesh. He explained, uh, God made him known. He said, when you, and stir that together, John one, Proverbs eight, you get Colossians one 15 through 21, which is the supremacy of Christ. And I think that's really true. So when you read Proverbs as a person revealing the character of God in Jesus, uh,

it really starts making you understand the need for wisdom and how to navigate the difficulties of life. So true. I think so many people don't know how their faith applies to their everyday life. And that's why I think it's so cool to pull out these things of wisdom or any scripture and go like, how does this actually apply to my life? How has this changed me? I was actually reading a devotional this morning and I,

It was so cool. It said, if you are reading scripture like it's sentences, then you are missing the purpose of it. You need to read scripture with the intimacy that it deserves, that you are growing a relationship. So if you're not learning something about the character of God, about Jesus, when you're reading the sentences you're reading, that they haven't transformed you for the purpose that they're intended for.

And then I was reading, which this is so cool because even me saying this, this is what I read this morning, back to the importance of word and devotionals, because it comes with you throughout your whole day. I read this verse this morning and I actually put it as my screensaver because I was like, I need to meditate on that a little bit more. But it was the message version of the Bible, which I just started reading because I am like...

I'm not the best reader, I'll have to admit. And so sometimes when I'm like, oh, I've read that, you know, but scripture, obviously you can come back, you need to read it over and over and over again. But it's kind of fun to read it in a different translation because it almost like enlightens you to a way that you've never heard it before. So it's exciting in a new way. But anyways, this is Matthew.

chapter five, when Jesus was talking about, you know, blessed are all of, it was talking about the, you know, the kingdom of heaven. And this was the message version of it said, you are blessed when you get your inside world, your mind and your heart put right, then you can see God in your outside world. And it was just so good because it was just basically talking about like what your, whatever,

you're putting in like, man, you're so blessed when you get your mind and your heart, right? Because then you're going to see God and everything in your outside world. And it's so true. Like in the morning or whenever it was like setting your intention to see God and setting your heart in the right place, setting your mind in the right place. Like you really do see him in everything. So to your point, it's like, Oh, I'm worried to say something about my faith. I don't know as much. It's when you start saying it that you learn more, you grow more, you get more used to it and it becomes more of a natural relationship. So yeah,

Yeah, that's good. And one of the things I'd like to say, Sadie, is that I think for Jace and I, I mean, Jace mentions he was 14 when he finally came to know Christ in the way that has now grown into his life. For me, it was 18 coming back as a prodigal, but still young and understanding who Jesus was. And I think for Jace and I and our family, we

We get to watch you and your generation line of the Robertson family. And it really makes us proud because most people say, well, you know, you have to get older to gain wisdom. So I'm going to wait on my wisdom. But what you've shown us is you don't have to wait on godly wisdom.

You can start early. You can start young. It's a matter of embracing, of investing into kingdom. It's a matter of sharing the faith that you have or somehow trying to impact other people. You don't have to wait on the wisdom of God. Sometimes you have to wait on worldly wisdom until you get older and you've experienced things and all this, but that's not true with the kingdom. It's so true. And I think you're an example of that.

Thank you. It's so true. I think like the church is such a unique thing. I mean, obviously it's such a unique thing, but in the aspect of generations, you know, living amongst each other in a family, you have that, but if you don't have that within your family, you get that within the church and to have a body of people of all generations that you get to commune with, do life with fellowship with, it's such a gift. You know, I mean, I'm so thankful at 27, I have a 92 year old great grandmother who

who lives down the street, who I... Who's awesome, by the way. Who's amazing that I genuinely ask questions to, like, especially in this time, which just seems so crazy in the outside world. I'm like... I told her the last time I saw her, I said, when I grow up, I want to be like you. I mean, same. And she would laugh. Same. You know? I mean, she's just amazing. But, like, I'm trying to gain all the wisdom I can from her, and I will...

I will learn it as I grow, as I go, as I age. But what can I get from what she's saying and apply into my life now? You know, I mean, one of the great pieces of advice she actually gave me was whenever I was really

single as a Pringle ready to meet a man. And I was like, Oh, I'm just struggling memo. I just have not found the right one. And she goes, she actually said, Yeah, you've kissed a lot of frogs. So she told me but that wasn't the best piece of advice. She said, I said, I just wanted

find someone like Pepel Shack. He was just such a good man. He was so kind. He was so sweet. He was so just thoughtful. And I just, I just remember, I have so many memories of him, even him passing when I was 11. I just have so many great memories of him. And she said, well, Sadie, they don't always, she said they don't, and they really never start out like Shack. And she said, even Shack didn't start out like Shack. She said, you have to find someone that you see the qualities in that they will grow into becoming that man. You,

You hope that for them, you pray that for them, but how could they be that at 20? And that's just such good advice. It speaks to, yes, you can gain wisdom where you're at and you wanna see someone who has those qualities, but just know you are who you are and you have to grow with time. And I thought that was a great piece of advice. - And what you invest in is important. One thing before we close, 'cause we're out of time. The last time I was at Mama Shaq's house,

She took me in and showed me a painting that Tony had painted from a picture for her. And I guess it was either from Chris or your mom. And it was her mom and her and Chris and Corey from a photograph. And Tony had painted that. And she was so proud. And I said, why do you love it so much, Mama Jo? And she said, I love it because it shows what this is all about, passing it on to the next generation. So what a blessing. And you aren't in the picture, but you are in the picture, Sadie. That's cool.

you're still continuing to do it. So the next step, I'm sure folks can get it wherever books are sold. Yep. Live original. Is it.org? Live original.com. Live original.com. Of course, you can always get Sadie's stuff there. We want you to check out. Whoa, that's good. We don't really compete.

with Unashamed. We love each other. Sadie's audience is mostly women. Ours is mostly men, but there's crossover both ways and we're just trying to get the gospel out. Sadie, it's always a blessing to have you on our podcast. You're welcome anytime. Thank you so much. Well, I always learn from y'all. I'm very grateful for the opportunity. So thank you. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes,

And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to BlazeTV at blazetv.com slash unashamed.