In a Bed of Rose's (Season 1, Episode 15)
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Oh my goodness. Cheesecakes, if anyone is new here, I love to remind you at the top what this podcast is, right? So we do funny and hilarious and very good looking recaps of the Golden Girls going in order from the beginning. And then at the end, we do a deep dive into something from the Golden Girls universe. We kind of also do that throughout the episode as well. Yeah. You know, we get a lot of deep dive suggestions. And if you have one, you should write to us. And we have an email address. Steve always checks it. It's info at goldengirlsdeepdive.com. Yes.

Yes, you can also, Cheesecakes, join our Facebook group. It's my favorite place to go on the internet. It's the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast Discussion Group, which for some reason I have finally become able to say. I don't even have to look at notes to know what it's called. Yeah, yeah. It's also good that it's your favorite place to go on the internet. I thought it might have been...

something else. You know what? During daytime hours, you know what I mean? In pleasant company. Cheesecakes, before we jump in, Jen's going to be doing the deep dive at the end of the episode today. I know you're excited for this one, girl. Tell them what we're doing. Darn right reverent, I feel.

It's a deep dive on Winifred Hervey. Yes. Did you learn really amazing things? Yes. And I just, I like her even more. I know. Just think the world of her. I just think the world of her. I want to know her. Honest to God. I really do. Good idea. You know what? Let's be friends with Winifred Hervey. Done.

All right. What are we talking about today? Today, we're talking about season one, episode 15, In a Bed of Roses. Now, it's kind of a clever title. It is. Do I love it or do I hate it? I can't decide. I love it. Okay. I love it. You know why, too? Because you could trademark it because it has that double entendre thing that they love in a trademark world, right? Yes. Anyway, this episode is about

This episode aired January 11th, 1986. It was written by Susan Harris and Winifred Hervey and directed by Terry Hughes. So regarding what was going on in the world during that time, I noticed in our research that this week is the first time that That's What Friends Are For by Dionne Warwick and Friends appears on the Billboard charts. Now, this song was very important to the gay slash HIV AIDS community. So, of course, I'm obsessed with it. I did a little mini deep dive. Will you indulge me? Of course.

So, That's What Friends Are For is a song that was written by Burt Bacharach and Carol Bayer Sager. It was first recorded in 1982 by Rod Stewart for the soundtrack of the film Night Shift, which I didn't know. But the 1985 cover, the one that we're talking about now, by Dionne Warwick, Elton John, Gladys Knight, and Stevie Wonder is by far the better known version. So, this version was billed as being by Dionne Warwick and Friends and was released as a charity single for AMFAR, which stands for the American Foundation for

AIDS research, which desperately needed money at this point in 1985, right? Like we were just starting to understand the horrors of AIDS and there's no funding and the president wouldn't even talk about it. And so Amphar was founded and this was going to be the thing that was going to sort of help get it off the ground.

So the song was a massive hit. It became the number one single of 1986 in the United States. Now, it was released in December of 1985, so it became the number one single of 1986. It won the Grammy Award for Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group, and it won Song of the Year. And it raised over $3 million for Amphar, which is $8.4 million in Today money.

I found this cool interview with Dionne Warwick from just a couple of years ago in People magazine. And she was telling the backstory of how the song sort of came to be or like this recording of it. Yeah. She said the night before she was set to record the song, she ran into Elton John at the grocery store in Beverly Hills. Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine? That's just such a Hollywood thing, right? Well, I just saw him buy the zucchini. I know.

And I was just thinking, like, Elton John knows what a grocery store is. Like, can you imagine Elton John? Gotta eat. I know. Gotta eat. He just seems like the kind of diva that would have somebody do the shopping for him. You would think. You know? You know, yeah. But she sees him at the groche and she says, I'm recording tomorrow and I need you. And he just said, whatever you say, I'll do. And he just showed up. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. And she says the idea to donate the proceeds from the song to Amphar came from Elizabeth Taylor, who was friends with the songwriters and attended the recording session.

And Dion said Elizabeth felt that the song could be an anthem to help get the point across about the need for help and also get Amphar up and running. Yeah, Liz Taylor was so supportive during that time. I remember. So supportive. I remember. Yeah. And you know, it's still in the lexicon today. It's in the lexicon of my personal life. Let me just tell you. Yeah. Whenever I do a favor for a friend or, you know, occasionally you do something nice or whatever. Yeah. You do nice things all the time. Thank you. Not occasionally, Jennifer. But when your friends thank you, they're like, oh, my God. You know, I always think, well, that's such friendly.

And I always do it exactly like, good friend. Any opportunity to show off those pipes. I'm telling you, any opportunity. Anyway. So shall we start? Yeah, let's do it. I'll lead us in if that's all right. Sounds great. So we start in Cinderblock Alley. Yeah. Rose is wearing a lovely pleated pink skirt suit. And she's followed by the world's tallest man. I know. I know.

She gets to the door. She is rummaging through her white clutch and handing the tall gent the items inside. And so she's been looking for her keys, which she finds. She puts the key in the door, turns around and gathers the items back from the tall gent. You can tell she's nervous and doesn't know how to say goodbye. Now we're about to find out the conflict is. Please. I can't. We've been seeing each other for a month, Rose. I've never wanted anyone so much.

What about your place? My sister's there. She's an insomniac. We'd have an audience. I can't let you stay here. I just can't. I simply can't take you to a hotel. It just cheapens it. I guess we're doomed. Let's talk inside.

They clearly want to sleep together. Yes. This guy's name is Al. And I'm like, he is downright desperate for sexy time with Rose. He like cannot control. He like literally at one point he begs. I wrote at some point, I wrote, man, have some self-respect. Yeah. He's like, please, Rose, please. It's funny too. Number one, we always notice this. They are dressed up for this date. Wherever they went that night, like whether it's the movies or to dinner or to go like to do one of those marathon dancing contests or whatever that they end up doing. Like they are always dressed. And did you notice

He actually looks really, he's really handsome, first of all. He is very handsome, yeah. And he hardly looks like one of the deadbeats she says she's been dating in episode one, you know, or episode two. I'm like, I'm tired. I know. What is it? The one with Arnie. Yes. Right, where she's like, I'm tired of just dating. All the men who only want to talk about their thyroid or their prostate. You know? Right.

I'd also like to say, I think you said in last week's episode that Dorothy's been kind of nailing it with the dating. Well, so has Rose. Totally. Since Arnie, we have Arnie, Dr. Jonathan Newman. Right. Now we've got this tall drink of water. Yeah. They're all doing really well. Yeah. To me, like Blanche is the one who dates the least. So far. She just talks about it. Right. Also, like nobody's giving Sophia shit for never dating. Right. So anyway, it's great because once they enter into

the home, it's the audience starts to laugh because they know what's going to happen. And we've all been there when she says, let's talk inside. There's a laugh from the audience because we all know that. But you know what I mean, though, Patrick, about we've all been there before. Like, that's why the audience is laughing. It's a laugh of recognition because, you know, like

the minute she goes inside, her boundaries are just dropping one by one and it's going to happen. It's so interesting too, because you don't think of people at that age as having roommates and it's like, what's the plan? Have the girls all sat down and navigated this? You know that Blanche brings people home with wild abandon, you know? And like, does Dorothy? Who knows? This really is a question of like, I haven't had roommates since I was in

college. Exactly. You know, other than my husband. Right. And this next session does make me laugh because she's whispering and then he says I'm whispering, except he's not. The thing is, I've never done this before. Bring someone home. I understand. Are you quiet? I'm whispering. I don't mean now. I...

I mean, then. Oh, it's very quiet. I'm very quiet. I don't scream. I don't shout. I'm quiet, too. Then we'll be fine.

I just don't want the others to know you're here. They'll never know. Because they're having a conversation about, are you quiet? Yeah. She's asking him if he's quiet when they're doing the sexing. Yeah. And he's saying, like, I can be very quiet. I'm whispering. Which is just kind of like, well, that takes all the fun out of it. I know. I have a little ditty bag on Al. Oh. A deep dive bag. Please. On Richard Roat is his name. Okay. Richard was born on July 3rd, 1933. He was a versatile character actor whose half century long career was

punctuated, like they say, by notable guest appearances on three of the most popular sitcoms of recent decades. Tell me if you've heard of these. Cheers. Oh, my God. Friends. Uh-huh. Seinfeld. Wow. Yeah. So I'll tell you what he did on Cheers. He was Norm's boss and he threatened to fire Norm if he didn't accept a promotion and a raise to become the company's corporate killer, which is the person that terminates people. Oh,

So if you say I'm sure people these are going to ring a bell to fans of these shows. In Seinfeld, he was a dermatologist who labeled Elaine a difficult, quote, difficult patient when she sought treatment for a rash. And on Friends, he was a professor at the college where Ross taught. And at one point, he tells Ross that Ross was violating campus rules by dating a

Oh, my goodness gracious. And he was on the Golden Girls. Well, yeah. And during a slow period, and I love this, during a slow period in his acting career, I guess it was in the late 60s, he took a job in an accountant's office. Uh-huh. And on April 15th, you know, that very stressful day of that first year, the accountant for whom he worked had a nervous breakdown. So,

So our friend actor Richard wrote, quote, took some tax forms and decided to become a tax preparer. No way. Like, you know, necessity is the mother of invention. Yeah. And he just got to it. So I love this. After he retired from acting, he continued as a tax preparer for people in the entertainment business.

business. No way. You know, he died August 5th, 2022. And this is art meeting life. He died from a heart attack. No. Just like the show. Oh, my God. Spoiler alert. Wow. The cheesecakes. No. But anyway, he had a heart attack in Newport Beach, California. At the time of his death, he was married to Kathy Arnson. I hope I pronounced that right, Kathy, if she's still with us. And let it be known that he prepared taxes for entertainers for more than 50 years. That's really amazing.

You know, sometimes when you find your calling, my husband really, truly considered doing that job. Like, maybe 15 years ago. Does that surprise anyone? No. And sometimes I feel like he missed a calling. Like, I had to rope him into, like, my bullshit life of making podcasts. And he had to, like, run that back end for the last 10 years. But, like, the idea of, I wish I were good at something like that. Because how satisfying it would be to, like, be good with numbers and be able to, like, fill out those forms and know what it all means. Can we just do a little Steve-tipped-in appreciation moment? Like, thank God...

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So we're back to the scene and Rose is saying, look, you can stay. We're supposed to get up really early tomorrow to go play golf. You like, no one will ever know. You can leave when, when we go. When we're gone. Yeah. So they head off to the bedroom and the next morning Rose is after glowing and she enters the kitchen and,

Can I just point out here? Yeah. So it's like Rose is in pastel pink, Dorothy is in bright pastel yellow, and Blanche is in like blue and pink. Like lavender, yeah. On the island. Yeah. Dorothy, who I love, looks ridiculous in this color. It is such, for me, not a good match to her personality. Oh, okay. Because Dorothy's a little acerbic and she's a little sarcastic. Uh-huh. And this bright yellow, it's like... You don't think she's sunshine? No. Really? Yeah.

That's exactly right. And like, this is not the only time she wears this color in this episode. And it's funny, I don't have a lot of costume notes in this episode. I think they all look really good. They do. But Dorothy in that bright yellow. Yeah, it didn't work for you. Put her back in that trash bag outfit. Yeah, she is a winter. What am I? I think you're a summer. I want to be a summer. That works. I like light colors. Well, we'll talk about, you know, well...

Oh, gosh. What? Well, I'm just going to say it now. So I used to do colors for people. I used to like do the colorist thing where you hold up swatches to find out if you're a spring, summer, autumn or fall. Where? Like at Macy's? Just as an aside, when I lived in New Hampshire, on top of the other thing that I did, they bring up Avon in this episode. I was a Mary Kay consultant. Is that right? Yes, I was.

Did you drive around to your gigs in that car with the actress plate on the back of the car? In fact, I did, A-hole. In fact, I did. Is that what your vanity plate said, A-hole? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My vanity plate would just say homo. You know what I mean? Right, right. We need vanity plate merch. Yeah. We do. Actress and homo. Homo.

With one S. All right. So Rose walks in. She's just afterglowing. Basking in the afterglow. I feel like Rose gets it a lot. She took 15 years off. She took 15 years and the minute that hymen was rebroken, she was just like, because you know it grows back when it's been 15 years. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah. She's like, Ann, we're off to the races. Yeah. Anyway, the girls right away are on her about like, wow. Oh, boy, that must have been some dream you were having last night. What are you talking about? I never heard such a rocket. I thought you were making love. Oh, my God.

No, no, I wasn't. No, it was a nightmare. An awful nightmare. Just terrible. Isn't it interesting how the sounds are the same for awful nightmares and great sex? Really? I wouldn't know.

And I love that Blanche says, isn't it interesting how the sounds are the same for awful nightmares and great sex? And Dorothy's like, really? I wouldn't know. I wrote down, and now we learn that Dorothy, who henceforth will be known as just lay there Dorothy, doesn't make any sounds when she's having sex. I know, which is strange because...

She just had great sex with Glenn in last week's episode and where she didn't have to worry about how she sounded. Totally. Remember? Maybe she's experimenting with sound since last week with Glenn. But I just like imagine, we do often have to picture these women having sex because they talk about it so much. Well, listen, and this is props to the Golden Girls because this whole next section I have, talk about pushing the ball forward down the field. Middle-aged women on network television talking about dirty talk. Totally. This is huge. And I'm surprised that they kind of let it

go, you know? Yeah, they like lean into the edginess of it. Oh yeah, it's so great. But she's like, not conversation, I mean. Do you talk? I've always wanted to, but at that point it seems that nobody is ever interested in conversation. Not conversation. I mean, dirty talk. Dirty talk? Well, not filth, for God's sake. Dirty talk? Dirty talk. Dirty talk.

Dirty talk. Dorothy is scandalized. She's never heard the two words separately or together ever. Dirty talk? I know. I mean, I don't want this to be true for Dorothy, but it feels like sex is always just something to survive. No, it's like, what is that old thing from Britain? I don't know if it was Queen Victoria or it's like, just do it for England. Just lay on your back and do it for England or something. I don't know who it was. Yeah.

That's really funny. Just lay on your back and do it for England. But I love to. I want everyone to have a good time when they're having sex. You know what I mean? I have my note here, Patrick, where Blanche, you know, qualifies it, sadly, by saying, well, not filth, for God's sake. And I said, filth, filthier the better. Right, Patrick? 100%. I mean, I want nasty, shocking filth.

Big fan of the dirty talk. I want nasty, dirty shit. Absolutely. Oh, my God. Right? Like, I'm sorry, but if you're just like a quiet participant. I know. And I just, now I'm imagining Dorothy just laying there with her head turned to the side while Glenn is just getting it done. Just like a starfish. Not doing anything. No.

She's laying back. She's taking it for England. Doing it for England. But then, like, we saw her after, like, after the sex with Glenn sitting at that table looking really satisfied. Right. Maybe she loves that silent dead body sex. I don't know. Well, it's like different writers write different scripts every week and clearly they're not really comparing notes, right? That's true. Anyway, Sophia comes in. And I said, Sophia's

the only one of them appropriately dressed for golf. Yeah. She really looks like she's wearing a golfing outfit, like right down to the visor. Yeah. And I'm always so impressed too that whether it's this or square dancing later, like she's participating in these exhausting events. You're absolutely right. I'm exhausted and I'm just watching. And she's got lots of energy. She does. Like she's always excited about them. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. And I love that she's like the last one, obviously like the last one to get dressed and come into the kitchen because she's dressed to the nines. Yeah. Like she was comparing golfing outfits. Yeah. I'll be honest, if I'd be the roommate who's like, you guys have fun. Yeah. I have the house to myself. Are you kidding? I know. That'd be me. But I was like, you know, who cares about any of this? Because she's here to blow up Rose's spot. Because the first thing she says is, there's a man in your bed.

Sophia, there's not. Why, you devil, you. So that was what we earned, Rose. Rose got lucky. Not so lucky. The man in your bed is dead.

So Blanche is just like, why you devil you? Because now we're learning that the sounds that they all heard the night before was Rose sexing. Yeah, exactly. And Dorothy is angry about it. And which I'm like, okay, Dorothy's the roommate that really wants to know what the rules are for the sexing with men. Because she's just like, the way she says Rose, you know. And Blanche loves it. Rose got lucky. And then Sophia drops the bomb. I got to tell you a shocking moment. I'd forgotten that this was not an episode I'd seen recently. And I forgot. And when she said that, I was like,

oh my God. Right. And what a setup, you know? And to of all people, because you've said it before, Rose is so good at the sexing. Yes. She just kills them. She kills the men. She kills people with her sexing. So she doesn't believe it. And she doesn't want to go in and check. And narcissistic Blanche is like, oh, Rose, I don't want to dead people in my house. That's my

favorite part about Blanche. No one is concerned about the dead man. Because I'm thinking, because Sophia says, I went in to drop off your laundry and I saw the man and I introduced myself and he didn't respond. Yeah. And I'm thinking maybe he's in the process of dying. Maybe he's not actually dead. Could we run in there and see if he needs some help? Nobody's thinking that. No, no. Least of all Blanche, who just does not want a dead body in her house. That's right. You know, Rose is resisting and Sophia's like, okay, it's going to be 98 degrees today. It won't be pretty. Right.

So the girls, they fight about who's going to go check on him. And finally, Dorothy, you know, you expect Dorothy to be the one to step up, don't you? My note here is, remember when Dorothy was the plumber? She's under the sink, fixed, like, wrenching the sink. Dorothy's the in-house plumber. Of course, she's also the in-house undertaker. Of course. Oh, no, any shit job. Dorothy is all but, like, she's going to, like, meet the paramedics at the door and take the body bag and handle this herself. Oh, listen, if they had to participate in some sort of track and field event, these ladies for charity, you know, like...

You know, Blanche would take, you know, the hundred meter dash and like, and they'd give Rose like something fun, like pole vaulting. And you know, they would make Dorothy do the marathon. 100%. You better get training. I know. Well, so she goes, she's the brave one. Everyone's saying she's so brave and she comes right back in and says, I want to do it.

I want someone to go with me. It's so cute. Like a little kid. Like a little kid. Because the truth of the matter is, and I've said this to Jillian, and I'll say this to you right to your face. I love you to pieces. I love you desperately. If you were to die right now, I would not be able to get away from your disgusting, filthy corpse fast enough.

Once you are like, you would go from being a living human that I love to a disgusting, filthy corpse that will give me nightmares like that. It's almost like, you know, the difference between cats and dogs, right? Like dogs will lay by your dead corpse until they die. And a cat will start eating your earlobes and your nose.

Yeah. Well, I'm hungry. Your food. Right. Exactly. The idea of a dead body is so intrinsically repulsive to me. Right. Like, I can't imagine going into the room like everyone is very calm, even though they're like kind of freaking out. They want to make sure he's dead. There's a dead body in the house. I would be OK with it because I'm Gryffindor. I'm brave. I know I would be Dorothy here. You would be. I would be. Yeah. You would go and check and make sure. Would you touch the body? Of course you would. Yeah. That is.

so ghoulish. Well, I did study pre-nursing courses. It's like I was going to be a nurse at one point. Really? Yeah.

Somewhere in a Sliding Doors universe, there's like a very happy nurse living in New Hampshire who sings in the church choir. But you know, I would have been that slutty nurse too. Like I would have been like, I would have been like Blanche. Like I just want the cute outfit. You know? All right. Sophia agrees to go with Dorothy because she's like, I'm from Sicily. What's the big deal? And I have this too. Like I love too that the two broads from Brooklyn. Yeah. They're going to go. Also, you know that like Sophia has seen death in her life.

You know what I mean? She's helped somebody bury a body. Yeah, absolutely. Sophia definitely knows her way around hiding a body. No question. So Rose and Blanche end up in the living room and after checking on him, Sophia and Rose do come out and Sophia says, He bought the farm. What farm? Rosie's dead. No. Yes. Oh, poor man. And with a new farm and everything. And with a new farm and everything. Yeah.

And they keep doing callbacks. It's so good. She cannot process this. And I'm with Rose here because Rose is like everything is hitting her kind of slowly. Yeah. And she's realizing we don't know when he died. Like she slept next to a dead body. Yeah. Perhaps already.

all night long. Well, that's what she's doing here. She's trying to piece it together. And she says, I just thought he was quiet. I thought he was a sound sleeper. She says, what do we do? And I wrote down like, that is such a good question. Like, what do you do? And you know, of course, good old plumber, undertaker Dorothy knows everything to do. She's like, we just call the police. And it's just like,

So it's so weird to think like there's a dead human being in that room. I know. The mortality of it all was really what I was thinking about. Because like they're all older women. And, you know, as these characters are like, that's not that far away for them. And, you know, I noticed when Dorothy says, well, we call the police. For the first time, I noticed the fireplace in the background. Oh, really? Or maybe I just forgot that I noticed it before. But it's never lit. And it's an odd place for a fireplace. I love a fireplace. Like having a fireplace, we use it like in the winter. We use our fireplace every day.

every single day. So I've clocked that fireplace before and I've tried to imagine the scenario because the fireplace faces the back of the couch. Like normally a fireplace is a centerpiece of a room and it's like a gathering place. And again, it's Miami. Like when do you need to turn on the fireplace? But I've definitely seen it before, you know? And again, Undertaker plumber Dorothy, you know, also says his family has to be notified.

So Rose is thinking like family, family. Oh, that sister that he said was an insomniac, which is why we can't go back to my house and have sex. Like he has a sister that he lives with. She's got the same last name. It's Beatty that she never married. And Rose is like, I guess I'll have to tell her. Right. And Blanche feels very strongly that this news needs to come from Rose and not from the police. Basically here we learn how Blanche's husband died.

Yeah. Because I always assumed that like all their husbands died of heart attacks. But no, like we learned that like he was a hit and run, essentially, like he was driving in a car and a person going the wrong way down the street, like smashed into him and he died instantly. And, you know, it's funny because like covering true crime documentaries on True Crime Obsessed, this is real. Like the police call her, ask her if she's got a husband named George who like drives a certain kind of car. She says yes. And then they put her on hold. And he said, hold on, ma'am. Put me on hold with that music while you wait.

I sat there at two in the morning listening to Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. And then after an eternity, he comes back on the line eating chips. And he says, oh, I'm sorry, ma'am, but I'm the only one here. My phone's been ringing off the hook. I said, officer, what about my husband? And then he said, crunching his chips. Oh, he's dead. Wrong way

Long way driver hit him head on. Totally dead, ma'am. Crunch, crunch. Her point is he was so disrespectful because he just was eating potato chips the whole time. So like not treating it at all with the reverence that it deserved. And we see like this is real. Like that very well could have come from somebody's true life experience and they put it in the script. So Blanche is saying to Rose, when you tell the sister, don't be eating chips. And Rose says, I never eat chips. I don't like them. They fall into my bra. To which I wrote, is this a gay blind spot? What?

the hell is she talking about? Oh, well, just when you're eating crumbly food, if you're, you know, as a woman who's well-endowed, when your shelf is underneath, your shelf is your shelf, your boobs, your breasticles, they're like your napkin. Oh my God. You're putting a napkin there, so it falls right in your cleavage. Right in your, okay, so that happens. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I literally, it is a gay blind spot. Well, you don't have them titties, baby. I don't have them titties and I don't spend much time thinking about them titties. So like I literally wrote, is this a gay blind spot? Answer is yes, it absolutely is. And while I've got you, I did a little deep dive on Herb Alpert, the singer. Yeah, yeah. I kept,

getting him confused with phil specter i don't know why okay because phil specter was that music producer who murdered that person yeah and i was like is that who she's no no no very different story herb albert is an american trumpeter he led the band herb albert and the tijuana brass he recorded 28 albums that landed on the u.s billboard 200 chart five of which became number one albums he scored 14 platinum albums 15 gold albums and is the only musician to hit number one on the u.s

Billboard Hot 100 as both a vocalist and an instrumentalist. Oh, that's big. He sold an estimated 72 million albums worldwide. And get this. I mean, wow. He was a poor kid from East LA. Like, that's where he grew up. In 1962, he and his business partner, Jerry Moss, formed a little record company called A&M Records so they could release one single. In 1989, A&M Records sold for $500

million dollars. Oh my gosh. And then two years later, Albert and Moss got another 200 million because of some breach by the buyers in the deal. Whoa. And that's just the money he made. 700 million dollars just from selling his record company. That doesn't even count the 72 million albums he sold worldwide before that and all the touring. My goodness. He did it. Well, good for him. I know.

Do we hate him a little? No, I'm just sort of like my jaws on the floor at those dollars. I can't even imagine that amount of money. Yeah. So back to the episode, you know, Dorothy, again, reiterates to Rose, she's got to be the one to tell the sister. Right. And so Blanche says, look, I'll look up this phone number of the sister in Boca Raton, right? So she gets up and, you know, and Rose is like, I can't sleep in that bed tonight. And Dorothy's trying to reassure her, listen, you'll get a new bed and sheets and a new blanket. And we get another call back here that's so funny. Horrible.

out and he just got a hair transplant there's a baby in boca raton it's the only one and somebody told me he just bought a farm

Like you said, in threes, we get that joke in threes. You know what I mean? And I'm with Rose, by the way, like if even if it was Steve, my beloved husband, if I were to wake up and he were dead tomorrow, I would not be sleeping in that house until that bed was gone. Yes. Even though I would check the dead body. I'm with you. I'm trying to be a very spiritual person and I believe in cleansing and sage and all of that stuff. And I would absolutely the sheets would be gone. There'd be new sheets. And

new cleansing the space and new energy because it's just... Because it's instantly haunted, by the way. You know what I mean? Like, I'm telling you that Blanche's house is now haunted. Okay. A person died there. Their soul is trapped there. It is haunted. And Rose has a gun. Someone get that gun out of Rose's hands. Oh my God. You're so funny. God damn it.

Blanche has run off to get the number for the sister in Boca Raton. Rose is saying, I don't know what to tell her. And Sophia says, tell her that he died in the bed of an idiot, which I thought was absolutely hilarious. That's funny.

But then Dorothy comes up, like Rose is saying she doesn't want to explain how to the sister, how the brother died in her house. So leave it to the plumber. So leave it to Dorothy who comes up with what everyone agrees with is a great idea. Which is not a lie. I don't understand. Everyone's like, yes, yes, it's a great idea. Died while visiting? Like he just came over for coffee and had a heart attack and died? Well...

the lie is going to, you know, run out. But it is a good start. I was just wondering, like, is it just because it's 1985 and we live in 2024 that, like, I'd be like, I was having sex with your brother and he died. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I don't know. Is that another gay blind spot? It's so the sitcom can happen. I know. You know?

Yeah. But Rose gets on the phone. Nobody, by the way, is going to believe that two gay men who were dating were in a room together and not having sex. So I wouldn't even have to say it, you know? So she finally gets the quote unquote sister on the line. Is this Miss Beatty? I beg your pardon? Well, do you have a brother, Al? I see. Well, I must have the wrong number. I'm sorry. Wrong number? Right number, wrong person. What do you mean? That wasn't his sister. That was his wife.

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We come back from commercial. We're still in the living room. And I just have to note that, like, in general, I don't think there's enough panic about the dead body. You know what I mean? Okay, sure. Now we've got, like, new drama to deal with. Rose has got to deal with the fact that, like, her lover... To be fair, there's normal panic and then there's Patrick panic. I think that's true. Well, now that we're talking about...

I know that you're the plumber undertaker in my life. If this ever happens to me, you're my first phone call. You got it. I want your zombie apocalypse scene. I got you. I'm on the sidewalk and there is a dead body in my house and I'm not going back in there until you burn the apartment building down. I'm no dummy. I'd call Steve and I'd only do it if he weren't available. Yes. For some reason, Steve is in Iceland and there's a dead body in my bed. Make it all make sense. All right. Well, I love how this opens with Dorothy saying he was married and the way she says it and looks straight out to the audience. It

so knowing oh yeah because this just happened to her last week happened to her last week uh stan cheated on her this is sort of dorothy's song yeah you know and then rose is just saying i can't believe there's a married dead man in my bed and sophia says there's a married dead man in my bed serves him right ma he lied to her i don't know why they do that don't they know we'll sleep with him anyway

Well, what am I going to do? I can't tell her her husband died in my bed. Tell her you went to turn on the sprinklers and you found them on the lawn.

That's not bad. I do like this. Blanche says, I don't know why they do that. Don't they know we'll sleep with them anyway? And I have a note. I thought she didn't condone it. Remember that? Like Rose... So three episodes ago, she makes a joke about sleeping with married men. Two episodes ago, she says, I've never been with a married man. And now we're back to her saying, like, we'll do it anyway. Exactly. It's what you're saying. It's like each script is written by a different writer. And who cares? It's like...

You know, how many times have we all watched this series and we've never picked up on it before? It's only because we're like analyzing eyes. We're under a microscope now. That's why. But, you know, Rose now has like now it's the dilemma of it's gone from I have to tell this woman that her brother died to I have to tell this woman that her husband was having sex with me and died in my bed. Now, I thought Dorothy's suggestion was good. I think Sophia's suggestion is just ridiculous. Yeah.

And Rose is like, that's not bad. That's actually not so bad. It's very bad. But anyway. Because, you know, Rose is saying, I've never had to do this before. Tell a wife that her husband's been cheating on her with me. That's the hardest thing to tell anybody. And then Blanche says, oh, no, it's not. Oh, no, it's not. How about having to tell a pregnant woman that her husband's been cheating on her with her own sister? And you're the sister. And you're pregnant, too, by her husband. You didn't.

Not me! Last night on Dallas.

Or Dynasty or Falcons Landing or one of those. They're all the same. Or Dynasty or Falcons Landing or one of those. They're all the same. I have a little thing here. Oh, please. Yeah. So I was a big fan of the nighttime soaps. Oh, really? And so Falcons Landing is a made up name. Because it was Falcon Crest, right? It was Falcon Crest and Knott's Landing. Oh, yeah. Both are real shows. Dynasty originally aired on Wednesday nights, Knott's Landing on Thursdays, and Dallas on Friday nights.

immediately followed by Falcon Crest also on Friday night. Oh, wow. Yeah. Knots Landing ended up being my favorite. Anyway, I was a big fan of the nighttime soaps. And so I sort of like that joke. I love that to Dorothy, that is plausible. Like the story that Blanche was telling, like it's something that she thinks Blanche might actually do. Right. And we all think so too. Yeah. You know, the way she says it, it's sort of like the Benjamin story. This is where Dorothy just again reminds Rose, like you got to go tell the wife. She's probably a nervous wreck. And I'm like, oh my God, this is the

first time it's occurring to me that like Al hasn't come home. Yeah. It's like the middle of the next morning. Yeah, exactly. And like Al is like a missing person. Exactly. You know. So they ultimately, they convinced her to tell his wife. Yes. So here we are. Rose is approaching the front door of what we presume is Mrs. Beatty's house. And I gotta say, it's a lovely front of the house. It's a lush patio. Definitely not cinder block alley. No. And it's not like,

This house doesn't have a lanai. Instead, they have like a front patio and it's like decked out in like beach chairs and like tables. It's a very fancy house. These people are well-to-do. I said, I was going to say, when you get inside, you see how well-appointed it is and they're clearly very wealthy. Yeah. So the doorbell opens. Now, remember, the person who is answering the door, her husband is missing. She's not seen him in at least 24 hours. She does not look like she has a care in the world. She's not thinking about this man. She says to Rose...

Hello, I'm Rose Nyland. I'll save you some time. I don't wear Avon, I have a mop. And I'm still paying for an encyclopedia that my son used just once to look up sexual genitalia females.

Mrs. Beatty, it's not that. It's about your husband. She thinks she's hilarious. She thinks she's so funny. Mrs. B, I'm going to call her. She's in a plaid house dress. Yes. Well, Rose says, Mrs. Beatty, it's not that. It's about your husband. So Mrs. B pauses and then reluctantly motions for Rose to come in. And to your point just a second ago about it's the next day, if he's going to call her,

is the philanderer that Mrs. Beatty knows that he is, or Mrs. B for short. I think there is a world where he's gone all weekend every now and then, you know? We just didn't know yet that she knows. Right. But we're about to find out. And we kind of just did because when she motions for Rose to come in, like she makes that face where you're just kind of like, oh, she knows what's up here.

Yeah, and she just launches right in. She says, he dumped you. You've been dating him and he dumped you. And now you're getting even by telling me. Because clearly someone has tried this before. Yeah, and Rose says, no, it's not that. And Mrs. Beatty says, I've heard this before. I can't tell you how many times. You think you're the first? Please. The first time Al slept with someone else was on our honeymoon. No. In Paris, the chambermaid. He always had the sign on the door, maid service requested.

He slept with everyone. Secretaries, schoolteachers, babysitters, neighbors, friends. One Easter, we gave our little boy some rabbits. They used to look at Al in amazement.

So this is where we learn that she knows that he's like a serial user of women, right? And I was just thinking, like, the idea of the girlfriend getting back at him by telling the wife, like, it's all so sad, you know what I mean? Yeah. Let's just all be honest with each other. Exactly. And then I have here, I love this woman's voice, by the way. And at the end of this, I'm going to do a little deep dive for you on her. But her voice here, she says, you think you're the first? And I'm like, it's like this crazy mid-Atlantic...

where are you from? Like, she's slightly British. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, slightly, anyway. Oh my God. You're right. The voice is, it's a very actress voice. It's a very actress vanity license plate voice for sure. Like, where were you trained? At Juilliard? Yes, exactly. And then I was like,

we're going to go ahead and assume the babysitters were of age. You know what I mean? Oh, God. In that speech, that was like the first thing that stood out to me. Oh, yeah. You know? Right. Like, not only is he like a philanderer, but like a creepy old man at the same time. Yes, they were over 18. For our purposes, for sure. Okay. So Rose has to tell her that Al had a heart attack and died. I have bad news. Well, you couldn't be pregnant. Uh, last night,

And Mrs. Beatty is in denial. You know, she's like, you must have the wrong Al. Yes.

I get two versions of Al from Mrs. Beatty because she's just saying that, like, my Al is healthy as a horse. It can't be him. Al Beatty from Boca Raton? And Rose says yes. And she's just saying, like, she can't believe it because he was so, so fit and so healthy and he was a runner. And there's no way that he could be dead of a heart attack. And this next section I have is such damn good writing and such damn good performing and direction. Yeah, I'm going to need you to do it in her accent because it's one of those things where she gives us a monologue.

I'm talking so it can't be true. You know what I mean? If I keep talking, it isn't true. All I have to do is talk forever. I mean, it's... I'm all right. I'm okay. Oh, the big jerk.

Perfect. Like, you did it exactly how she did it. Okay. You know? But I just love it when the camera comes in. That's what I'm going to say. I was like, bitch, I hope you got an Emmy nod for that. I know. I know. She's great. It really does. And it's weird when the Golden Girls does a slow zoom in on a character. I mean, actually never. They did it one other time that I called out. They zoomed in on Estelle Getty in a weird moment. But they shot between two other actors. I'm like, what is going on here? But it really is a very serious, poignant moment. And it makes me...

me wonder what kind of actors they saw for this role because whoever played Mrs. Beattie it feels like she fucking fought for it you know what I mean like they like she like she stayed up all night what if they had like just some over actress award like overacting act like you can just see the women coming in like you know I'm talking they can't be drunk you know what I mean and they keep talking and it's true I don't have to do talk you

Can you imagine? They're like, thank you so much. Thank you. That's all we need. Right. Because like that writing lends itself to that kind of performance. You know? I think the writing's perfect. I loved it. Because I think psychologically this is so human. Yeah. I think it's actually really on the money. And I know I'm being a dick about it, but it was a little jarring because what's about to happen, it just gets ridiculous. All of a sudden this new widow is now comforting Rose. Yes. But thinking about this,

situation. I'm always amazed by women always and the way that like these two women who like Miss Beatty should hate Rose, you know, but they don't. They take care of each other. Yeah, it's lovely. And it is so funny. And you can hear when the audience gets it. It's a couple lines in. They get the joke when Rose says, I'll never date again. You will. I won't. I can't. In time, you'll forget this. Never. I promise you.

It's okay. I'll get used to being alone. Mrs. Nyland. Yes? You've been sleeping with my husband and he's just died. See if you can pull yourself together because in a minute I'm going to need some comforting myself.

In time, you'll forget this. Never. I promise you. It is crazy that she's having to comfort Rose. Right. Because Rose sexes men to death. And this is like the beginning of Rose understanding. And it's not true, obviously. It's a coincidence. But in Rose's mind, she's

Sex is meant, and not because, like, she's so good at it. She thinks that she's cursed. But, you know, some of it is probably a little bit of, like, feeling a little guilty having sex with other people when she still feels married to Charlie, you know? Yes, yes. Anyway, I did a little deep dive on Mrs. Beatty. I'm dying to know everything about her. So she was played by an actress named Priscilla Alden Morrill, born June 4th, 1927 in Boston. Wow.

Yes, she was an American actress. But as I said, she sounds vaguely British. Vaguely British. She was born in New England. She's best known for playing Edie Grant on the sitcom The Mary Tyler Moore Show. In 1973 and 75, this is Lou Grant's wife, Ed Asner's wife on the show. She appeared in five episodes and she was mentioned in several others, even though she didn't appear, but she was always a

presence. Okay. All right. She was a frequent guest star on many television shows and TV movies. She had recurring roles on Family, Brett Maverick, Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara was my favorite. Gosh, it was a short-lived soap opera. Was it short-lived? Because I watched it in like middle school, after school. I'd come home and get my honey bunches of oats and I would sit and watch Eden and Cruz and Kelly Capwell, originated by Robin Wright

pen. She left that to go do the Princess Pride. That's right. No, I remember. It wasn't on very long, but yeah. And she was also on New Heart. Jean Stapleton stated in an interview for the Archive of American Television that Priscilla was the stand-in for her, for Jean Stapleton, in the ninth season episode of All in the Family, A Girl Like Edith, in which Stapleton had a dual role. Oh,

Oh, wow. And her final onscreen appearance was in an episode of Coach in 1992. I loved Coach as well. Also really good. So on November 9th, 1994, she died of complications of a kidney infection at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in L.A. at the age of 67. She was survived by her husband, Paul Bryson, to whom she'd been married since 1954. She was cremated and her ashes were scattered at sea. Oh, my goodness. Thank you for your work.

So next scene, we're back at the house. Dorothy and Blanche are still in their golfing outfit. They are. They are. So we know it's the same day. No one went golfing that day, I guess. And I guess we have to imagine that between like while Rose was out telling the wife they came and got the body. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, Rose clearly dressed up to go talk to the wife. Right. Because Rose changed. She changed. Yeah. But everyone else stayed the same. And they got rid of the body. Like, oh, my God, there was a body in the house. Yeah.

I can't get over it. Like there was a body in the house. Oh my God. So Blanche is making salad dressing. It's creamy, zesty Italian. It only has one calorie. Dorothy tastes it. She hates it. She says if you read it under the faucet, it would have more flavor. Dorothy has a great joke here. She says, honey, beware of anyone who says no calories, absolutely.

Absolutely no charge. And let's just lay down on the bed and watch television. Funny because it's true. Funny because it's true. And I think we've all been on all sides of that. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? So Rose enters. She's done it. She told the wife. Looking and sounding forlorn. Yeah, because Rose really believes that she's cursed. She's so good at the sexing. She's so good at the sexing that people immediately die after. And Blanche is like, What the heck do you do in bed, Rose? What?

Nothing. I do nothing. Well, maybe that's it. They have to do it all. Because there's not a world where Blanche can believe Rose is so good at it. It has to be the opposite.

You know? No, that's exactly right. And, like, Blanche also is not bothered. Like, you would think that Blanche would be jealous that Rose is sexing men literally to death. Yeah. But she's not. She knows there's a catch. She knows that there's something about this is normal. I don't know what it is, but something about it is normal. Yeah. This is where Blanche learns that Alice, the second time this has happened, she didn't know about Charlie. That's right. Which I actually thought, I kind of flagged. I was like, how would you feel? It's like Dorothy knows. It's like, I guess...

I know. Are you guys best friends now? That would immediately go to my insecurities, too. And during all of this, by the way, Dot and Blanche are just poking at their salads. I know. No one's eating, as per usual. I know.

And it's also like, this was 1985. This is when people started just having lettuce for meals. Yeah. You know what I mean? This was the beginning of like the slim fast. Like I remember doing like a no carb diet at this point. I did like a no sugar diet. I've done so many of the diet. It's just horrible. So Blanche, not to be outdone, said she knew somebody who had seven husbands and six of them died of stomach ailments. I am.

I immediately thought we were going in for antifreeze. Yeah, like poison. I've talked about this a million times. Yeah. From the true crime world, I know how many people successfully killed their partners by dosing them with antifreeze. Gosh, this iced tea is sweet. I know. Why is it bright green? Interesting. Alright.

All right, chug, chug. Because it crystallizes in your body. But they find it. Only if they look for it. Because it's not on the normal test. You have to specifically look for it. And who would think, no, she killed him using the antifreeze. You know what I mean? So awful. But anyway, this lady, the one with the seven husbands, she'd been putting ground glass in their salads. Like, what a mess.

miserable way to die right and you know there should have been a take to the salads that now that i'm thinking about it because they're eating salad right there should have been like a huh you know did you put an egg in the sand yeah totally getting back to uh the setup here because dorothy has a really funny joke blanche says now now i knew somebody who had seven husbands and six of them died of stomach ailments well they arrested her she'd been putting ground glass in their salads

Why? Because she ran out of croutons. Because she ran out of croutons. Because she wanted to kill them, Rose. Yeah, and like Rose knew somebody in Minnesota who killed her husband. She backed over him with a combine. I normally would have looked that up, but I'm imagining it's just like one of those big machines on farms. Like those big rotating blades. But this poor woman killed her husband by accident and didn't even know until later when she saw little bits of plaid in the cornfields.

the corn. And it keeps going. It's funny. Bits of his overalls. And this is gross. Bits of his arms. Joe's arms. Gross, we get it. And so it goes back to Dorothy saying, listen, Rose, you are not to blame. Now you know that.

I think that's the fourth mention of a farm. It's just a good farm day. It's a good farm. The point is the friends are trying to make Rose understand because we're watching Rose sort of slip into this place of thinking. Well, trauma. She's been traumatized before. And she slept next to a dead body all night. You know what I mean?

The thing I love about the panic, you should see his face right now, Cheesecakes. It's terrifying. It was just like the panic, like you're like convinced it's going to happen to you. I know. It's going to happen. There have been mornings I've woken up. My husband snores and there have been mornings I've woken up and he's not making any noise. And I've literally had the thought like it's today the day. Did you hold a mirror under his nose? No, I ran out of the room. I'm like, Daisy, go check on your dad. Daisy.

Daisy, is daddy dead? Daisy, is daddy Steve dead? Can you please go? And Daisy would be you. She would have the iPad with the headphones and she would walk in there staring at the iPad and she would be like touching. He's cold. She wouldn't even care. She wouldn't. Daddy Patrick, daddy Steve is cold. Oh my God. I know. So we go.

We go forward in time. I think it's been a little longer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's been a couple days later. Yeah. Right. It's up to us. It's anybody's guess how many days. How many days it's been. But Dot comes out of her bedroom into the living room wearing a square dancing outfit. And the only thing that signifies that it is is one red kerchief around her neck. I don't know.

These ladies, I love it. They go to events. You know what I mean? They're not just like going to a bar, going to a movie. Like they're going square dancing. I know. I'm like, do we ever see this again in the series? We should have a full square dancing competition, just like the ballroom episode. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. But what makes...

Dorothy's outfit's so funny to me. It's like Blanche and Sophia both are to the nines in square dancing. You know, Blanche has fringed sleeves, cowboy boots. Yes. You know, my gosh, Sophia even has like a bolo tie. She's wearing a bolo tie. You can't see her feet, but you know she's wearing cowboy boots with spurs. Oh, cute. Remember like the episode where Sophia gets the job at like one of those like pirate themed restaurants that she has to wear that guy?

It's like that much. But like they all want Rose to come out. Like it's clearly Rose has become a shut in. Come on, Rose. It'll be fun. You like square dancing. Oh, thanks. Oh, Rose, you're only going to be dancing with men. You can't kill them by doing that. Nope. No more men. That's it for me. No more men. My God, I would die. I would just die.

It's not like no more food, Blanche. It's worse. Blanche can't believe this, all right? Blanche is like, no more men? My God, I would die. I would just die. I have here parentheses, me too, girl. How about you, Papa Cheesecake? Are you kidding? Oh.

Oh my God. I can't. I mean, I'm happy alone, but I mean, I do have to have, you know, what does Blanche say? You're right. I've always enjoyed the company of gentlemen. I always have. If God didn't want

to have men, why would he put us on the planet? Now, I'm a married man, so my options are limited. But I, like, it's nice to be able to know that there are options in case Daisy ever has to go in and find her other daddy dead. You know what I mean? I'm going to just tell you this quick story. Yeah. When my mom was dying, she said to me, now, Jennifer, your father needs a woman. Oh,

So I want you to be open to that. And I want you to welcome that into his life. Pause, pause, pause. And then she says, but don't you let that gold digger take his money.

And the thing is, my dad did find a nice lady. She was a widow, had lost her husband a few years prior. Oh. So my dad is with a nice lady named Dory. Oh. Or as I like to call it, D&D, Dad and Dory, dynamite. That's amazing. Oh my God, I love that so much. Yeah. So like, they're all leaving. They're going to leave Rose home for the night. And, you know, like, it is nice that Dorothy at least asks her like, are you sure you're okay? Because I,

I keep thinking like Rose is having a mental health moment here. Yeah. And it's nice that Dorothy is at least. Yeah. Remember when they all weren't going to go cruising in the car for you, dad? Exactly. They're all like, no, no, no, no. We are. These tickets are prepaid. We are going. Look, we all got dressed. My mom's wearing a bolo tie. We're going square dancing. But like on the way out, Dorothy just says, are you sure you're going to be all right? Sophia says she'll be fine. If someone breaks in, she'll just have to sleep with them.

So funny. I thought that was so good. Very funny. And by the way, Rose is reading a book, and I looked at the title, and it's called How to Talk to Animals. That's the name of the book. Wow.

My note at the end of this scene here is I'm glad that Dorothy is checking on Rose's mental health because you know Blanche wasn't going to ask. Oh, God, no. You know what? You know what will live in my heart rent-free? What? I've been robbed. Yes, yes. That will live in my heart rent-free. But all over the place, even in this episode, she's like, I don't want dead people in my house. Right.

Not our house. I know. Not like, are you sad that that man you've been dating for a month is dead? Are you okay? Like, did you really like him? You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. Next scene, it's a while later. Rose is sleeping on the couch and the doorbell rings. Rose answers the door a little too, like, I would be nervous if I was Rose and I'm home alone. Well, she had fallen asleep.

sleep right and so on the books on top of her and i did notice there's a plate of oreos and a glass of milk on the coffee table no maybe that kind of calmed her down why aren't we having a cocktail do you know what i mean like rose you're suffering a mental health crisis you just slept in bed next to a dead i know body i know have a drink girl i will say though i love that she does say who is it like how many times in these shows people just open the door i know it's true and a complete stranger i know but it happens to be mrs beady and rose cannot open the door fast enough

You know what I love? You and I keep saying BD and Beatty, and I want to keep it. Like, sometimes we say Beatty, sometimes we say Beatty. I'm okay with it. How would she say it? Let's call her Mrs. B. Mrs. B. So, you know, Mrs. Beatty, Mrs. B comes in, and she's got good news. I just had to come by. You were so caring to come tell me in person what happened that I had to do something for you. Oh, that wasn't necessary. Well, I know you blame yourself for Al's death.

Well, I just got the autopsy results and they showed that Al's arteries were completely clogged. Oh, his diet was terrible. He never ate a vegetable. He lived on fatty foods. He'd have meat for dessert. You didn't kill him, Mrs. Nyland. He killed himself. I just had to come by. You were so caring to come tell me in person what happened that I had to do something for you.

So good. But I'm not as low. I don't have as hoarse a sound. It doesn't matter. It like, it is so good. Anyway, she's telling Rose not to blame herself for her husband's death. Remember when originally she was saying he runs five miles a day. He's healthy as a horse. You got to have the wrong guy because now she's going to tell us his diet was terrible. He never ate a vegetable. He lived on fatty foods. He had meat for dessert, which I thought was funny. You didn't kill him, Mrs. Nyland. He killed himself.

Once again, buying the farm. Rose is not following the plot. No, she's like, he committed suicide. Right. I love that Mrs. Beattie immediately just accepts Rose for the dunce that she has. Well, in a manner of speaking, he did. And by the way, this whole scene is two seconds long. And I love that she comes in. She sits on the couch. I have the same note. And then she's up and out. Yep, because what's amazing about that. You could just stay by the door. Well, exactly. But what's happening is they're not going to be friends. Right. You know what I mean? I think that's so interesting.

Because I'm like, A, I'd love to see more of this character. B, I'd love to hear you do that voice as that character for the rest of my life. But it's like, it's so interesting that she's coming in to like, let Rose off the hook. You know, like, you didn't do this. But we're not going to be friends. We're never going to see each other again. And she leaves. But it was just, it's a thing of respect.

She thought it was extremely kind that Rose came to tell her in person and how I think she appreciated. This is what I appreciated. She appreciated how difficult that must have been for Rose because Rose didn't know. That's true. You know, he was a married man and she's doing the same thing here. She knew how much she was tortured. She's like, you know what? I'm going to do her a solid. Yeah. Ladies taking care of each other. Women supporting women. Right. And the scene buttons and our character, Mrs. B, leaves with a great joke. She's like, if he had to die, I'm glad he didn't die alone on the street. But here was a

caring person doing what he liked to do best. And I love that. And you know what else I love? That's love. Loving someone for exactly who they are. She loved her husband for exactly who he was. But it was a cheating bastard. Like maybe, maybe they had an open marriage, but it doesn't seem like it. Yeah, but she knew about it and she chose to stay and she's like the big jerk. And so I'm just saying like, if she chose to stay, she's certainly not going to change him. I mean, is this from the honeymoon? Yes. You know,

She's got all this money now. She put in the time. You know, she's got that house. It's hers. It's all hers now. Anyway. So next scene, we're out on the lanai. Dorothy and Blanche are playing cards. Sophia is standing between them trying to indicate with her face to Blanche. I know. Which cards to play to beat her own daughter. Oh, God. It's so good.

Exactly. And, you know, Dorothy's just like, Ma, will you stop telling her what to play? And they're all like, I didn't say a word. Did I speak, Blanche? Not a word. I have a note that it's after 5 p.m. and Dorothy isn't in a nightgown. I know. Maybe she's going line dancing again or whatever. You know what I mean? So Rose enters and I said, she's wearing an interesting dress. Can you describe this dress? Well, I actually had a note about what I thought it was. Okay. Only to have them say the exact joke that I had written. Oh, okay.

Yeah. You are a comic genius. Well, no. I will not let them take that from you. Well, I did spelling bee and you sometimes comment on what people are wearing. So that, you know, I was definitely a Nina Pinta Santa Maria dress. I mean, it just, but she looks, she looks like a pilgrim. It's this, most of the dress is lovely. Save this white square bib. Yeah. What is it? It's like, it's very strange. It's strange. It's very strange. And Blanche right away, she's like, what do you think?

Of what, honey? My new dress. Oh, is that new? Yes. It's sort of old-fashioned looking. I wasn't sure it was new. Oh, that's the style. The girl told me. What was she, a pilgrim?

Because to answer your question, Patrick, that's what I had. Rose comes out in a pilgrim dress. The thing about this moment, and again, it's so blanched. It's like, we're going to learn that Rose is going away for the weekend with Arnie. Remember Arnie? Arnie's back. I have in big caps, where has he been? I know. Like, she was just with that other guy that died in her bed. She was with Al, Dr. Jonathan Newman. And like, why did her and Arnie stop seeing each other? Because it was such a big deal to sleep with him. Yes, yes. I don't understand why that stopped. But

The point is, she's going out. She almost married Dr. Jonathan Newman. Totally. So I don't understand. I know. And she killed that other guy. We never, it's like the Ross Rachel break. What is happening? I know. You're right. I don't like it. She almost married him after knowing him for a week. But like what I'm saying is like she was in a depression for three months. She hasn't left the house. She's

finally going away for the weekend and Blanche is telling her she looks ugly. You know what I mean? But that's Blanche. It's all about Blanche. You can't look better than Blanche. Well, maybe it's because like Blanche isn't going away for the weekend. What is that joke in one of the episodes I love? I'll handle this. Blanche, no woman has ever looked more beautiful than you do right now. And no one ever will. Yeah, it's so good. But we honestly, Rose, it's like pulling teeth just to get a little bit of compliment out of you.

Not that I've seen these shows. Oh my God. It's perfect. But Rose is going, like I said, she's going away with Arnie for the weekend and she's like, you know, hemming and hawing in front of the ladies. Like, is she going to sleep with him? Is she not? She really likes him, but she doesn't want to kill him by having sex with him. But if she doesn't have sex with him, he's going to- Just full anxiety. Yeah. And the girls basically tell her, like, knock it off. Do whatever you do to like feel comfortable. But I just have to note, like, she's putting a lot of sexing pressure on herself. She is. And she says, she agrees. And she says, okay, well, I'm off. And Sylvia says, totally. I know.

It's so good. So we're in the kitchen. This is, you know, post- Two days later. Yeah, post-weekend. Blanche is stirring a pot on the stove. Dorothy's making salad dressing. She's in a different yellow top. And I just said, these colors are not good on her. Anyway, they're wondering what is keeping Rose. Right. And there's like, she hit traffic.

But most importantly, once again, same as the first time this happened when she went on the cruise with Arnie, they're trying to decide, like, if she did it. Like, did she have sex with him? Blanche, of course, thinks she did. Dorothy, of course, thinks that she did not. Right. And that's leading to a funny joke where Blanche says, I sure couldn't be with a man I liked and abstain. Yes. And Dorothy says, you know, I abstained after Stan and I split up, but it wasn't a very different experience from when Stan and I were together. And it's such a funny joke.

funny joke and it barely got a response from the audience? That happens sometimes. Remember that episode where I learned that I'm into Stan? I'll never forget, honey. We all judge you. He's so tall. Anyway, Rose enters. She just looks really sad. And the girls are all over her. They are. And there's a fantastic looking pot roast on the table. Is that right? It looks delicious. Well, they're asking her, like, what's wrong? And she tells them, she says, Arnie, I slept with him. And he died. laughter

What? Oh, no, Rose. And the sheriff, I told him about me, how I kill men. And he didn't believe me. He said, let's see, sleep with me. So I did. And the sheriff died.

They're just like holding them like, oh my God, maybe she actually is a murderer with her sexing. And then Rose starts to maniacally laugh. Yep. And she says, Arnie's fine. We had a wonderful time. Everything's terrific. I was only joking. Now, one of my all-time favorite lines in the entire series is coming up in a second because Dorothy and Blanche are...

They cannot believe that Rose thinks this is funny. Right. It's a terrible joke. It's not funny. You can't joke about things like that. My God, Rose. And Rose is like, really like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And Dorothy and Blanche get up to leave. And Blanche says to Dorothy, I believed her. I was set to go to her hanging. I was set to go to her hanging. And I guffawed. Oh, really? I guffawed.

Because it's as though if this were true, if she had really killed Arnie and then the sheriff, like they really have to put this woman down. I know. You know what I mean? Dunk the witch. Dunk the witch. She cannot be allowed to live. She's typhoid Mary. We got to put her on an island. I called my husband over and made him watch the entire scene just for that line. Oh my God. It is so funny to me. Not so much for me. No.

That's all right. I was set to go to her hanging. Like, it's just so funny. I love that you love it. And then it just ends. It ends. And Rose says, I thought it was funny, to which I wrote, I agree. I thought that was very well played because you don't expect it from Rose. And I also have to say, with all due respect to the, you know, writing team, I thought it would have been funnier if the girls came back in with a gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it also seems uncharacteristic of them to be so mad they're going to walk out of the room. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Cheesecakes, don't go anywhere. When we come back, Jen is going to be doing her deep dive on the great Winifred Hervey. Can't wait for y'all to hear it. I'm so excited, girl. Woo!

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Oh, cheesecakes. All right. I'm so excited for this one, my love. I am too. Because, you know, we talk about this almost every week, how it's very male-centric, the people behind the scenes, writers, directors. And this is Winifred Hervey, a woman as well as an African-American woman. Yes. You know, how excited are we? And it's funny. It's funny.

Like, Winifred Hervey is a name I've been saying, I feel like, all my life. And I know nothing about her. Well, yeah. Because also, she's not, again, behind the scenes. Yeah. We know the actors. That's what we know. Exactly. So, I was rarely more excited to do someone. So, thank you for letting me. I'm so excited. It's also fun in these deep dives to, like, tackle a subject you literally know nothing about. Yeah, exactly. So, we hope I do her justice. Anyway. I'm sure you will. You're going to love this, Patrick. As a New England gal myself, she was born in Waltham, Massachusetts. No way. Yes. On May 14th, 1955.

But she lived in Springfield, Massachusetts. And so did I. You did? Yes, for four months when I did Nonsense at the Coach Light Dinner Theater. Oh, my goodness. We used to call it the Roach Bite Dinner Theater. It's no longer open. She was one of five kids having one sister and three brothers.

Hervey's father, I'm going to call her Winifred. Winifred's father was in the Air Force and the family moved to Lompoc, California. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. Correct me if I'm wrong. L-O-M-P-O-C, Lompoc, California, when she was only in the first grade. So I'm guessing about six years old. Her mother worked at JCPenney and she's said to be very artistic. Winifred said that both her parents were very good artists. So it makes me wonder if that's

the gene, you know, it's where she got it from, right? What a lucky kid to grow up in that environment. Yeah, I know. She also said, and I felt such a kinship with her here, but she said she watched a lot of TV as a kid. I was like, girl, same. Yeah. You, her, and Daisy, my daughter. You know, and people, I have to tell you, I've always gotten this little, like, ugh,

in my up my spine when people say oh don't let your child watch too much television I'm like literally taught me how to do comedy totally you know so anyway I turned out all right anyway you're doing just fine and also she enjoyed reading and writing as a kid I was like girl same oh I know did you enjoy reading and

I did. Yes, I liked reading and writing. What about TV? I liked TV. Yeah, but I was not like addicted to TV. Like I definitely was more of a creative type. I always like had an after school job too. I didn't have a lot of time. Okay. And it's translated into my adult life. I don't watch a lot of TV now because I never really got into it. But even when you were little, like you weren't working as a little kid. No, but like as a little kid, I don't know. I don't remember TV being a big part of my life. Yeah. TV was a big part of my life and it remains a big part of my life.

It really does. I love that. Well, it's the cheapest thing. It's kind of cheap entertainment for one thing. Yeah. Except you've got to buy those apps all the time. I know, now you do. This is now a deep dive about apps and television. Anyway, all right. So she says that her four siblings helped develop her sense of humor, which I like. She's like, you know, you're in a household of five people. How could you not? Right, and different personalities. You either learn to laugh

when you're a kid in a family like that or you're just unhappy. Exactly. She also said the political climate of the time also influenced her very much because she grew up. Think about this, everyone. She grew up at the time and she says this, the assassinations of President Kennedy. Yes. Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., the time of Watergate and Nixon. It was the Black

power movement, the women's movement. Yes. All of this very much influenced her. What a time to be alive. I know. So in college, she did study filmmaking and television production and history. And she also studied communication arts with an emphasis in what? Writing. Yes. All right. So in 1977, after graduation, she got an internship with the Television Academy, which landed her an intern gig on the show Rhoda. Oh, wow. Yeah. And... Spin-off of the Mary Tyler Moore show. Exactly. And I was thinking back to her dad...

Being a military guy, and she's part of a military family, you know, they did move to California. Like, what would her life have been if they stayed in Massachusetts? Right. You know? What a gift to, like, put your kid in an environment like that where they just happen to thrive. Right. Exactly. Yeah. But she called herself the eternal intern. She coined herself that. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because, you know, intern after internship. And she ultimately got an internship for the Gary Marshall Company. Wow. And the show, this blew me away. No wonder I wanted to do her and respond to her.

the show Laverne and Shirley. That was my favorite TV show. Yes. And she wrote for them up until the strike. There was a writer's strike in 1981. And after the writer's strike, Gary Marshall invited her, or his company, the Gary Marshall company, invited her to be a staff writer on Laverne and Shirley. Yes.

Amazing. So no, an intern no more. Yes. Right. No, this is very significant, too, that Gary Marshall also gave Susan Harris her first break. Right. You know, I love that this powerful man investing in women. Yeah. And a different episode. But if you remember, you said that Merv Griffin, you know, insisted on Pat Sajak for Wheel of Fortune. Yeah. Right. And I just love these powerful people using their power to put the ladder down for

over the side of the boat for someone else to climb. Totally. And Susan Harris did that for a lot of people too. She did, yes. We talk about her a little here in a minute. So in 1982, she worked on Mork & Mindy, another show I watched. Did you watch that show? No, but I watched like My Sister Sam's, like Pam Dauber. I loved her. Yeah, she's wonderful. From 83 to 85, for two years, she was brought on to Benson. Yes. You know, with our queen, Susan Harris, of course. Now, this is interesting. In 85, she left Benson to write on The Cosby Show. Oh. She said it was

a terrible experience. I wonder why, Winifred. Well, this is interesting. She was the only woman writer and she wasn't even allowed in the writer's room at first. And then she was fired from the Bill Cosby show after season one. Really? Yeah. She's like, I just really didn't fit into that Bill Cosby world. I'm like, well, you won that fight anyway. I mean, the foreshadowing, you know, and you wonder what somebody like with firsthand experience, what she knew and maybe didn't feel like she could

could say. Well, listen, I'm going to say more about this. She's quoted as saying, I couldn't really march to those marching orders and live my life that way. And I guess I didn't go along with the program enough. So I actually was not asked back. I did speak up and I did say because I did feel that I was mistreated. I felt like I was kind of treated like a bimbo and I felt that I was ignored. And I said something about it and I did it in a very tactful way. But I don't

don't think they really enjoyed hearing it. Yeah. And the thing is, like, you think about the women characters on The Cosby Show, they are very strong women. Yeah. Claire and Denise. Yeah. And think about even like Rudy. Like, how amazing would it have been to have had a powerful Black woman writing in those voices? Yes, exactly. So after being fired from The Cosby Show, here's the good news. She was reunited with the Thomas Witt Harris cast.

crew, the whole Benson crew for the Golden Girls. And she said it felt like coming home. Wow. Yeah. So she was initially brought on to our show that we're talking about. That's why we're here, folks. She was initially brought on as a story editor. And she said that the first day on set of the Golden Girls was tense.

And the reason was because all the writers were so young. She said that all the ladies were there and they looked over the staff and, you know, we must have looked 12 years old to them. Yeah. They just weren't happy. She said, you know, these were seasoned, brilliant actresses. And, you know, it just was tense. Right. So and Stan Zimmerman, our good friend Stan Zimmerman, he tells a similar story in his book.

Because I'm glad we weren't aware of that in the beginning. Bea Arthur was not happy about how young the writers were. He said that to us. Yeah. I had a feeling she was referring to us since we look like high school students. But we heard she changed her tune when she saw the quality of the scripts week after week. Interesting. So...

Winifred expressed the joy of working with actors with a theater background. I had to put that in there. She said there's just something about working with somebody in the theater where there's a certain bit of a certain etiquette, a certain respect for the work. And that was really great. Right, because they all came from the theater. I don't know about Betty White. Not Betty White. She actually referenced that, but she's like loved her all the same. Because Betty seems like a go along to get along person. And also just in the TV world, you know, basically from the start. But she did mention that Rue and Bea, you know, had this theater background.

Yeah, exactly. All right. She also had to deal with, if you might imagine, censors on the set. Yeah. And she talks about that. And she says, I remember this one time where Blanche was telling a story. She couldn't believe that this got in. You'll remember this. It was when Blanche was telling the story about being at boarding school and getting caught with her boyfriend. And when somebody opened the door, she waved her

foot at them or something like that. It was so dirty. I didn't think it would get in, but she thinks that the only reason it did is because the sensors didn't get it. Didn't get it. And you said it happens all the time, I think. Like there's a lot of dirty jokes in the Golden Girls. Well, good. More power to it going right over their head like a paper airplane. Totally.

She also indicated that getting to know the actors changed the writing, like we talk about so much, like Stan was telling us. Remember how he said, like, the R's for Blanche, they realize she's really good with R's, you know? Oh, yes, yes. Well, thank you, Dec. Exactly, right? So she says after you hear them for a while, you get to know their rhythms, that informs your writing.

oh, this I have to put in. Remember we did the mouse monologue? Where Dorothy's like talking to the mouse in the kitchen. This is interesting about getting to know their actors. She said that they didn't write many monologues for Bea. It just wasn't her thing. Yeah. It's a Blanche thing. Yeah. And she said like, she remembers this one time that they gave her this monologue where she had to kill the mouse and she was so uptight about it and having to do this whole monologue, but she did it. And it was good. It was great. So we learned like, don't throw that stuff at her

all the time. You know, they just learned that. Yeah. It's funny because I remember when we're taking notes in that episode being like, this is a long monologue. She's so good at it. And it's nuanced and it's, you know, it's layered. Like it's not one note. It's very good. Which now that you mention it, when I'm thinking about the Dr. Bud speech, I have no proof of this, but you can look at her looking up and I swear to God, she's reading a cue card. Oh, interesting. I want to go back and look. It looks like that to me anyway. But this is something I have to say too, that

Winifred said that Bea Arthur was her favorite character to write for. Wow. I thought that was cool. Her favorite episode was A Little Romance, just like my friend Patrick Hines. Oh, that's the Dr. Jonathan Newman episode. That is. That is. And it's another great Bea Arthur story. You're just going to love this. I had to throw this in there. Someone wrote complaining about some of the writing in The Little Romance episode and Bea called them at home. Called the person who wrote the letter? Yeah.

called them personally at home and talked to them about it. I totally understand that impulse. Yes. When she hung up, she said, quote, that person is going to tell somebody that I called her today and they're not going to believe it. They're going to think she hit the bottle. End quote. So,

All right. So on working with Queen Susan Harris, she said Susan wasn't a person who really spoke a lot. She was very shy and that she never saw her without sunglasses on, even at the table, even at night, whenever. And that everyone was very intimidated by her. Interesting. She learned so, so much from her.

And one of the things that you'll like, Patrick, is one of the things that Susan Harris taught her is you don't have to just be a joke machine. Oh, yeah. Because Winifred prided herself, too, on being really a joke writer, you know, and so it's like it's OK to add those deeper tones. And every episode has that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right.

So she did leave, even though she loved it. She did leave after season three because she felt like she was always just going to be the kid there. And they called her the kid, you know. And so but she decided, OK, this is good. And she became a producer on the show, too. Oh, wow. Yeah. So she has said that the biggest challenge of her career, you know, as you might imagine, up until this point, was being a minority and a female when she started. There was hardly anything.

any other women on staffs. And she very often the only minority on staff. After leaving the Golden Girls, she did some notable work. You might have heard of this show called The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Oh, yes. And the Steve Harvey Show. And for that show, she won the NAACP Image Award three times. For the Steve Harvey Show? Yeah. Wow. Outstanding comedy series, which I love. But circling back to the Golden Girls, you know, through to the end of our deep dive, let it be known that she won an Emmy Award.

in 1987 for Outstanding Comedy Series. Like I said, she was a producer on the show at this point. And of course, her contributions with writing. Yeah. And regarding the Golden Girls legacy, I love this. She hopes that the legacy is this, that you're never too old to be funny. Yes. That you know you can be anybody. And as long as you're funny, people are going to watch you. And it doesn't matter what age you are. It doesn't matter what race you are. Yes, Winifred Harvey. Yes, that's a little

Little ditty on Winifred Hervey. Oh, that was so well done, girl. Thank you. Thank you for sharing all of that. And thank you, Cheesecakes. Let's give it up for Winnie. Yes, Winnie. Cheesecakes, we love you. Join the Facebook group. It's the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast Discussion Group. Yeah. Follow us on the socials if you want to see the really funny moments in our episodes come to life. It's on TikTok and on Instagram. We are at...

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